Spicy Cat Mama Won't Let Rescuers Touch Her Babies | The Dodo

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Жыл бұрын

Feral mama cat is so protective of her babies, her rescuers have to use kitchen utensils to help her care for them! 😹
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@zerocool5395
@zerocool5395 Жыл бұрын
That cat has seen some ish, missing an eye, a chunk of her ear and her face is all scared up.
@lofimonkeyjazz
@lofimonkeyjazz Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie and they need to own racist fucks like you like the subhumans you are, caged and away from society
@0XD00mX0
@0XD00mX0 Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie ?
@BigBratJ
@BigBratJ Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie Speaking from your experience are we?
@zammmerjammer
@zammmerjammer Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie You think the rest of us care what a gross racist turd you are?
@80sGamerLady
@80sGamerLady Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie this guy again? Always against pitties and black people. Go troll somewhere else, your mom's basement perhaps.
@markrumfola9833
@markrumfola9833 Жыл бұрын
She had a hard life. Hope she comes around to you. Awesome Kittens.
@josephlim8061
@josephlim8061 Жыл бұрын
Poor mama cat. You can tell she's had a rough life. I'm glad she and her babies were saved. But 2 of them passing away was really sad to hear.
@Tank50us
@Tank50us 6 ай бұрын
Sadly, that's why they have so many in a litter. The chances are actually very low that every kitten in a litter will survive to adulthood. Now, when you have a loving home environment, and access to proper vet care, those kittens then have a far better chance of survival (up to about 80% I believe).
@lz3229
@lz3229 Жыл бұрын
Poor momma, often people don't realize how frightening life is for feral cats. They just assume the animal is "mean". Thankfully she was rescued by an informed, capable and compassionate lady. God bless you all. ❤️
@mmaxx6786
@mmaxx6786 Жыл бұрын
Maybe the cat doesn't want you intrusive, pathetic humans needing attention, invading it's life. STAY IN YOUR LANE!
@mmaxx6786
@mmaxx6786 Жыл бұрын
Life is only "frightening" for you snowflakes
@lz3229
@lz3229 Жыл бұрын
@@mmaxx6786 trolls, trolls, miserable trolls everywhere.....😝
@lz3229
@lz3229 Жыл бұрын
@@mmaxx6786 that's why the cat is now healthy and safe, but no in your sociopathic mind she would have preferred to be outdoors, perhaps in a cold, wet, flea infested environment. Pathetic? Yes you are and I'm sorry for you. Just admit you don't want to be bothered by actually helping anything or anyone and leave those of us with a conscience and heart alone. No one's asking for your help or miserable attitude. Get help.
@mortalclown3812
@mortalclown3812 Жыл бұрын
This. 💯
@juliekamrath984
@juliekamrath984 Жыл бұрын
Mom is so beautiful. Thank you for helping her.
@DfromBoston
@DfromBoston Жыл бұрын
Are you serious? That cat is ugly.
@juliekamrath984
@juliekamrath984 Жыл бұрын
@@DfromBoston No cat is ugly.
@facetedperspectives9950
@facetedperspectives9950 Жыл бұрын
Creekside has been through the street wars and is a survivor. Torties are very intense and not surprised by her behavior. Glad two of her babies made it and she is under your protection now. Thank you and many blessings in 2023 💜🐾🙏🏽😇
@som3body3
@som3body3 Жыл бұрын
Three of her babies, wich is even better!
@CryMeARiver63
@CryMeARiver63 Жыл бұрын
@@som3body3She had 4 kittens , 2 died, 2 survived . At 1:44 it states that .
@som3body3
@som3body3 Жыл бұрын
@@CryMeARiver63 My bad, you're right
@godlessheathen1147
@godlessheathen1147 Жыл бұрын
@@CryMeARiver63 0:28 5 were counted
@melodylowes4119
@melodylowes4119 Жыл бұрын
So Glad YOU'RE looking after her now. Sounds like she's had a really hard life, probably having to fight off other ferals trying to get at her babies! I assume she's neutered now, shame you couldn't keep one of her babies for her
@vonmichaelcamba9485
@vonmichaelcamba9485 Жыл бұрын
Is no one gonna question the 5th kitten not being mentioned at all?
@mjw9821
@mjw9821 Жыл бұрын
A few of us have...
@mvzv3913
@mvzv3913 Жыл бұрын
Already dead
@isitoveryet9525
@isitoveryet9525 Жыл бұрын
@@mvzv3913 then why not include it, when they said 2 didn’t make it? Seems like they cut something outta this video which is a bit sketchy
@catto3924
@catto3924 Жыл бұрын
@@isitoveryet9525 maybe because the mother ate it. Few animals do that when the mom really stressed or human touch their babies
@lunaris7342
@lunaris7342 Жыл бұрын
It probably died and maybe they didnt inlcluded that because its to sad
@kisham2725
@kisham2725 Жыл бұрын
0:29 Five kittens 1:41 Two didn't make it, Two did The math ain't mathing 🤔
@Hexepresso
@Hexepresso Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@lucasjames7524
@lucasjames7524 Жыл бұрын
One is a robot...chicken.
@PetesGuide
@PetesGuide Жыл бұрын
I caught that too. So sad.
@Sweetie8387
@Sweetie8387 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was also wondering that
@mjw9821
@mjw9821 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! That is very sketch.
@MimiSociu
@MimiSociu Жыл бұрын
A mother's boundless love for her child!
@michellecena8159
@michellecena8159 Жыл бұрын
Goodnight Munchie Huh?
@julietteyork6293
@julietteyork6293 Жыл бұрын
If only that were true in all cases
@jimb.7523
@jimb.7523 Жыл бұрын
@@michellecena8159 It's a troll. Just ignore it.
@mpdaugherty8549
@mpdaugherty8549 Жыл бұрын
Aww Spicy Mama is scared. Excellent job. God bless you all.
@jjs1300000
@jjs1300000 Жыл бұрын
They’re so adorable and mama is protective
@BigBratJ
@BigBratJ Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie You seem to be a guy who jerks off to crush porn videos.
@cletusthemysterious
@cletusthemysterious Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie Why is that?
@stephaniemartinez8114
@stephaniemartinez8114 Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie I have
@jetz237
@jetz237 Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie bro where did that come from 💀💀💀
@kamilebrahimoff3589
@kamilebrahimoff3589 Жыл бұрын
Ye
@lisabelle7553
@lisabelle7553 Жыл бұрын
That poor mommy-- so scared and trying her best to protect her babies. She may not have been a feral. No one knows, and she can't tell you all that she's been through. But her state and her injuries tell a story of a painful past. I'm so grateful the rescuers are keeping her. I have faith that over time, when she fully realizes she is safe, you will see her come around. ❤
@clabersuarez5253
@clabersuarez5253 Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie cómo así, cómo lo sabes? Cuéntanos
@carlamiglin2705
@carlamiglin2705 Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie they do too
@jimb.7523
@jimb.7523 Жыл бұрын
Munchie's just a troll. Ignore it, people.
@aleyaartim3096
@aleyaartim3096 Жыл бұрын
@@jimb.7523 It is better to report
@jimb.7523
@jimb.7523 Жыл бұрын
@@aleyaartim3096 YT won't do squat unless what the troll says falls into any one of the categories that a comment can be reported for.
@chitopuertoricousa9962
@chitopuertoricousa9962 Жыл бұрын
poor mama cat probably been through a lot that's why she is the way she is her and her babies are beautiful ❤️
@linda6987
@linda6987 Жыл бұрын
Spicy? I call it protective! She’s a good mommy! Love the kitchen utensils for getting the kittens. She’s beautiful! Thank you for the rescues! Well done you! 🐾♥️🐾
@davethebrave.
@davethebrave. Жыл бұрын
your mom's expression is so pure and gorgeous.
@lucid_dreams420
@lucid_dreams420 Жыл бұрын
THE KITTENS RIDING ON THE LADLE! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's so cute and funny.
@madkat1763
@madkat1763 Жыл бұрын
a spoonful of kittens!
@alondathomas293
@alondathomas293 Жыл бұрын
That is really so darn cute---just a scoopful of kittens makes the medicine go down, lol!
@bishop6218
@bishop6218 Жыл бұрын
Yeah they killed me with this one XD
@Rascal77s
@Rascal77s Жыл бұрын
I took in a feral cat that had no human socialization. People often see feral cats and think they can domesticate them. You can't. She's been with me for over 10 years now but she is still a wild animal. We're great friends now, but her behavior is very different from what people think of from domesticated cats. These people are truly angels for taking mama cat in and giving her a better life. It's not easy.
@tammiep9628
@tammiep9628 Жыл бұрын
I was more worried about the mama, I knew the babies would end up getting a home. I am so happy that you kept her she looks like she’s having a good time. ❤you are her heroes!
@Carolinagirl66
@Carolinagirl66 Жыл бұрын
Poor mama looks rough. So glad yall rescued her and the babies they are all beautiful 💙
@phoenixluna4137
@phoenixluna4137 Жыл бұрын
Would have loved to see more of the mom's healing journey. Poor Momma. Even in the bad state she was in, she never gave up.
@AtomicMurd3r3r
@AtomicMurd3r3r Жыл бұрын
Uuhhh.. didn't they count 5 babies in the carrier before? Then said 2 of her babies didn't make it but the OTHER 2 were the sweetest? I'm no genius but that math is garbage.😂
@michellemyallen
@michellemyallen Жыл бұрын
She is your girl by the grace of your love!! Thank you for giving her the love and compassion that she deserves!!
@juliebenjamin9641
@juliebenjamin9641 Жыл бұрын
Bless her heart…looks like her life has been very rough. 💔
@ItsJustLisa
@ItsJustLisa Жыл бұрын
I’m glad that Mama is able to live in a safe place on her own terms.
@birgit4314
@birgit4314 Жыл бұрын
What a protective cat mom 🐈❤!
@BigBratJ
@BigBratJ Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie Mommy not present to give you love I see.
@JemLeavitt
@JemLeavitt Жыл бұрын
Ty.❤❤❤
@ninastout3522
@ninastout3522 Жыл бұрын
How very sweet of you to take care of "Mama". She needs someone. God bless you!
@kamilebrahimoff3589
@kamilebrahimoff3589 Жыл бұрын
Very nice of them to help out the cat and the kittens.
@railwaychristina3192
@railwaychristina3192 Жыл бұрын
What a great mum. Hope she and babies found good homes.
@sr.6816
@sr.6816 Жыл бұрын
Poor momma cat! She is very protective of her babies of course. Also it seems like she has a problem with her vision and that might frighten her more. She is so beautiful. The babies are adorable! I hope she will have a wonderful life now!
@marymartin5098
@marymartin5098 Жыл бұрын
Loving mama cat protecting her kittens ❤
@mihaelaclaudiap..2
@mihaelaclaudiap..2 Жыл бұрын
My gosh cuteness overload in this video, even my dog watched fascinated!
@mihaelaclaudiap..2
@mihaelaclaudiap..2 Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie his radar was full on, he has a thing for cats :)))
@jimb.7523
@jimb.7523 Жыл бұрын
@@mihaelaclaudiap..2 It's just a troll. Ignore it.
@allnamestakenlol
@allnamestakenlol Жыл бұрын
Sad to hear two didn't make it, but glad the others, momma included, are in loving homes.
@amyvelasquez5540
@amyvelasquez5540 Жыл бұрын
Ladies you are beautiful for respecting momma like that. God bless you all 🙏
@teresacarman1220
@teresacarman1220 Жыл бұрын
She is beautiful and such a good mom.
@eryabolonha
@eryabolonha Жыл бұрын
You counted 5 kittens! What happened to the other 1?
@tamieckert4548
@tamieckert4548 Жыл бұрын
The protective mother was smelling other animals scents on things,plus the initial fear that was upsetting her of what was going to happen.Sometimes a little food may have been more coercive to comfort her in letting anyone near her and her babies.💓🐈💖🥰👌
@aldoskyz8
@aldoskyz8 Жыл бұрын
Just thank you for all humans helping animals. You are ANGELS in Earth!
@voyaristika5673
@voyaristika5673 Жыл бұрын
You people are so kind. Thank you for saving these adorable kitties. 💗
@Kajal0618
@Kajal0618 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for saving these kitten and their mother 🦋 You're doing a great job ❤️🦋
@ronclark9306
@ronclark9306 Жыл бұрын
It's so nice that someone is still looking after the mama, even though she's still "difficult".
@petithibou1891
@petithibou1891 Жыл бұрын
Poor mama had a rough Life but she is a wonderful mom 🥰
@packertai1
@packertai1 Жыл бұрын
What a strong mom! Her babies are adorable! Happy Mother’s Day! ❤🐱
@danjordan1979
@danjordan1979 Жыл бұрын
She's absolutely beautiful, and adores her gorgeous babies. What a fantastic mum she is!
@leemsamantha
@leemsamantha Жыл бұрын
As someone who rescued a ferrel mama, this made my heart sing. Miss Muffin is feisty at times, but only to her babies, the boys drive her nuts. 😂❤
@DSWood358
@DSWood358 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for helping her. Love.
@philiptownsend4026
@philiptownsend4026 Жыл бұрын
Poor ca.t has had a difficult, hard and painful life. She is a very protective mother too. It is right to let her spend her remaining time safe and secure in good accommodation. In time she may learn to trust but it may take her a long time.
@praiseworthy1087
@praiseworthy1087 Жыл бұрын
what a wonderful cat and a good mommy too ty for keeping her and not putting her to sleep she deserves a good life, no matter if someone threw her out, or she was born outside, I rescued a kitten about 4 months old, she was close to feral and her mom (what a beauty) was feral, with time Dollie Madison warmed up and became a great cat, she was definitely the boss of the whole house and did as she pleased. It takes time with cats to come around, your little girl will in time, she just needs love. btw I have taken other ferals off the street another female and male. I had that male for over 20 years he died recently and the female lived to be 18 1/2 so there are miracles when you love these innocent fur babies. Ty for posting this video
@catalinakusto-jackson9886
@catalinakusto-jackson9886 Жыл бұрын
An Ocean of Blessings to all of you for such lovely deeds 🦋🌈😻💜🙏🙏🙏🙏
@georgenovasellick8566
@georgenovasellick8566 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for saving mommy and the kitties 😻😻😻😻😻🙏🙏😻😻😻😻
@haleybunker1339
@haleybunker1339 Жыл бұрын
They are all beautiful and gorgeous animals.
@mossysworld2222
@mossysworld2222 Жыл бұрын
I got jumped scared when she hit the phone😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Cats.in.Tuxedos
@Cats.in.Tuxedos Жыл бұрын
Grizabella..... Memories, all alone in the moonlight I can smile at the old days I was beautiful then I remember the time I knew what happiness was Let the memory live again
@msgs6850
@msgs6850 Жыл бұрын
She's beautiful and protective
@tomkjr1
@tomkjr1 Жыл бұрын
Bless you for taking care of mama! It's obvious that she's had a rough life. Glad to see her happy at play.
@cathunter3874
@cathunter3874 Жыл бұрын
She's lovely I have an unadoptable feral ragdoll that i've had for 13 years, most loyal but occassionally violent cat I have ever had
@user-peaceoftheworld
@user-peaceoftheworld Жыл бұрын
🙏💓Thank you for helping beautiful cats.
@dawnsmith1752
@dawnsmith1752 Жыл бұрын
I love her she is cute and her kitties makes her so happy. So beautiful.
@Holymother2023
@Holymother2023 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad she now won't have to struggle and have a hard life from now and won't have any more babies on the streets from her sad her kittens didn't stay with her but I'm happy she is now looked after ❤️❤️
@richardhutchinson651
@richardhutchinson651 Жыл бұрын
Mama is a warrior cat, she wears the scares of defending herself. She is gorgeous, I would love to have her even if she is aggressive. Just give her the space she needs to become comfortable. I had Lionel for almost 10 years before he passed. He was terrified of me when I stode up. Eventually he would come and lay in my recliner with me when I was sitting down. Seldom let me touch him but when I did get to pet him, it made my day complete. Loved him so much. He was a warrior cat also. So I gave him the respect he was entitled to.
@paigescott5432
@paigescott5432 Жыл бұрын
God bless you and Happy New Year!
@existenz001
@existenz001 Жыл бұрын
HOW 5 KITTENS BECAME 4? PLEASE EXPLAIN!
@theluftwaffle1
@theluftwaffle1 Жыл бұрын
The stronger kitten simply absorbed the lesser one.
@Heretic44
@Heretic44 Жыл бұрын
@@theluftwaffle1 you need to absorb some more braincells. idiot!!
@isitoveryet9525
@isitoveryet9525 Жыл бұрын
@@theluftwaffle1 😂😂
@lunaris7342
@lunaris7342 Жыл бұрын
It probably just died and they made a Mistakes while editing
@jenniferobryan3434
@jenniferobryan3434 Жыл бұрын
I am so glad Creekside has a place where she's welcome way to go mama
@ls-kk4pq
@ls-kk4pq Жыл бұрын
That is one protective mother! And I’m so glad you didn’t put her back out on the street and she is safe and she is happy!
@b.3515
@b.3515 Жыл бұрын
Спасибо за помощь кошке и её детям!
@brianthomason5022
@brianthomason5022 Жыл бұрын
I believe when your channels merch is being sold at Walmart you have made it to a whole new level of success..
@ryanrinaldy17
@ryanrinaldy17 Жыл бұрын
cute cats,beautiful humans❤️❤️❤️. and all is right with the world
@user1.8.2.
@user1.8.2. Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad they clipped mama & let her stay.
@emilyloehr4105
@emilyloehr4105 Жыл бұрын
I rescued a litter of kittens once. The mama torti was way more feral than that mama. She wouldn’t come close to anybody and would abandon the kittens in any sign of distress. We tried to catch the mama for weeks but she was too smart. Bc of this we purposely waited to capture the kittens until right before they start getting too much street smarts themselves. All the kittens survived and were adopted out. Mama is still seen in the neighborhood from time to time. The whole neighborhood is alert and is still until this day trying to do a capture and a release.
@z33511
@z33511 Жыл бұрын
Five kittehs. Two didn't make it. Pebbles and Fern got fostered. What happened to number 5?
@tinalouisecaruso4756
@tinalouisecaruso4756 Жыл бұрын
Thank you helping her keeping her sad 2 kittens died she beautiful
@beatamroz1560
@beatamroz1560 Жыл бұрын
Dziękuję Wam za pomoc tej rodzince🙏🏻❤🙏🏻❤🙏🏻❤🙏🏻❤🙏🏻❤... Mama jest prześliczna❤❤❤❤❤❤
@houchi69
@houchi69 Жыл бұрын
Wait...there were five. What happened to the 5th one?
@jennyanimal9046
@jennyanimal9046 Жыл бұрын
Thank you too everyone who rescues animals and people as well.😇s
@paulh4094
@paulh4094 Жыл бұрын
These people are Angels. Pure and simple.
@mjw9821
@mjw9821 Жыл бұрын
So, she originally had 5 kittens in the beginning. She reunited them, and all of a sudden, cats only got 4. WTF happened to the other kitten. 2 died 2 have homes, 1 is missing.... This has caused me to be very skeptical about her.
@krisniznik3953
@krisniznik3953 Жыл бұрын
I was wondering that too. Counting issues!
@honeykenzie0762
@honeykenzie0762 Жыл бұрын
Yeap 1 is missing
@valenciageode25
@valenciageode25 Жыл бұрын
I was looking for someone saying this.
@KageKobushi
@KageKobushi Жыл бұрын
Paused the video just to check to make sure I wasn't crazy.
@BigBratJ
@BigBratJ Жыл бұрын
@@goodnightmunchie Trolls have warts and live under bridges and spread hate to make up for their erectile disfunction.
@Ariel-jf3ec
@Ariel-jf3ec Жыл бұрын
Someone said she had 5 kittens 2 that died and the 2 that survived how many kittens did she have
@dianaceliz3096
@dianaceliz3096 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for saving and caring them 🙏🌺💚
@roccosmama192
@roccosmama192 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for ALL the Love you give to Cats in need❣️❣️
@philoctetes_wordsworth
@philoctetes_wordsworth Жыл бұрын
There were 5 kittens, but we were told of the fates of only 4. What happened to the 5th kitten?
@odasadiku884
@odasadiku884 Жыл бұрын
She's soo cuts
@mortalclown3812
@mortalclown3812 Жыл бұрын
"Creekside" is the most peculiar kitty name ever ☺️ ✨🐈💙✨ Those San Bernardino kitty savers absolutely rock. Thank you for all you do to help the cats who need it the most.n✨❤️🙏
@teresacarman1220
@teresacarman1220 Жыл бұрын
I hope someone takes good care of her. Her babies are beautiful.
@Bisonn1572
@Bisonn1572 Жыл бұрын
@Arvidien
@Arvidien Жыл бұрын
At 2:36, what a change. Was she sedated?
@aaturki84
@aaturki84 Жыл бұрын
ALL OF THEM ARE SO SWEET AND CUTE 🥲🥲🥲🥲❤️❤️❤️❤️
@MyMy-zi7yv
@MyMy-zi7yv Жыл бұрын
So, so nice that you also took care of the mama too! God Bless you all!!!!!!!!!!
@skblacksquad2972
@skblacksquad2972 Жыл бұрын
Nice 🙂
@LindaCasey
@LindaCasey Жыл бұрын
💜💜
@Realmasterorder
@Realmasterorder Жыл бұрын
Beautifull mom cat has been through a lot as it looks but really protecting her kittens.
@danielepepin4257
@danielepepin4257 Жыл бұрын
Excellent & informative video. The idea of using a ladle to get the baby kittens is excellent and a great trick for us rescuers.
@emmahales4897
@emmahales4897 Жыл бұрын
I thought there was 5 kittens they originally said then said they lost 2 and 2 left. That doesn't make sense if there was 5. Am confused 😕 can anyone explain that please.
@tngcurious
@tngcurious Жыл бұрын
Where’s the 5th kitten?
@joanritabalent7046
@joanritabalent7046 Жыл бұрын
Grazie a voi per quello che fate
@tonitalas1757
@tonitalas1757 Жыл бұрын
I pray 🙏 the 2 kittens in foster will find their loving and forever homes, hopefully together ❤️! Thanks for fostering Mama kitty 😺. She looks very happy and is sooo beautiful 😍
@pokefan213
@pokefan213 Жыл бұрын
"2 of her kitties didn't make it, but the other 2-" * earlier in the video*- "Oh, there's 5!" so what happened to the 5th kitten then....?
@cotillion
@cotillion Жыл бұрын
bad math in this vid lol
@pokefan213
@pokefan213 Жыл бұрын
@@cotillion yea that's the point lol
@GrowingUpClueless
@GrowingUpClueless Жыл бұрын
Seems like they hurt more than they helped 😢 Too much handling of the kittens & being in mamas face during a sensitive time.
@zammmerjammer
@zammmerjammer Жыл бұрын
In all her previous litters, the kittens all died. This time, with food and medicine and shelter, two lived and their mom is now safe inside. But sure -- "they hurt more than they helped." 🙄
@janbadinski7126
@janbadinski7126 Жыл бұрын
Scared momcat worried about her babies. Thank you for saving them.
@MKMcDonald287
@MKMcDonald287 Жыл бұрын
Thank you thank you. I’ve literally rescued a couple cars dumped at a campground and being territorial over everything is their survival. We just respect that and it’s a gift if they creep onto the bed❤️
@SarahBertaglia
@SarahBertaglia Жыл бұрын
This may sound harsh, but it doesn't look as if the rescuers knew what they were doing. They were supposedly monitoring the kittens, weighing them, etc, yet 3 of the 5 "didn't make it". That's tragic. Why weren't the mother and kittens taken to a vet immediately after their capture?😡
@zammmerjammer
@zammmerjammer Жыл бұрын
Of course they were taken to a vet. You realize this is a video edited together of several other videos? Spanning months of time.
@Kalyahna
@Kalyahna Жыл бұрын
You do realize that kittens don't always make it, even with rescuers with decades of experience, even with medical intervention, right? This is WHY rescuers work so hard at TNR - to prevent things like this from happening in the first place.
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