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[@deargamadaun]

17 year old me: "Ugh it was so weird and dumb that he just lost his powers in the middle of the movie." 34 year old me: "Checks out, depression really f*cks with you."

[@shadout]

I really dislike the lonesome superhero trope. These are people who are supposed to make huge sacrifices to protect others... but how could we expect them to keep interest in doing that if they don't have a love interest to ground them with humanity? We'd end up with Doctor Manhattans who end up just saying "Okay, I'm out. Do whatever you want, humanity." So this spiderman movie is my favourite of all of them. It has MJ tell Peter that she isn't just going to let him go.

[@phellips10]

He wasn't really depressed. His personal life was falling apart in every aspect and the reason was because he was spider man so he began to question if he should keep being spider man. It all goes back to the uncle Ben line "with great powers comes great responsability" but at that moment he started to question why he should take that responsability onto himself if he couldn't do something as simple as be at certain place at a certain time anymore. But he was still conflited about it and didn't undestand his fellins so that confusion started to apear fisically and he began to lose his powers as why of his mind telling him that maybe he shouldn't be spider man anymore and just live his life

[@iiiivvvv9986]

​@chandllerburse737and does he consider his true identity to be batman or Bruce Wayne?

[@MrTrolez]

Cool fact: the tentacles on Doc Ock was practical in many of the scenes. It took 16 puppeteers to control all four arms!

[@gallendugall8913]

Puppeteers FTW!

[@hairywelder5188]

4 on each arm then ? 🤔🤪

[@zoomedits1836]

black

[@MobinKiadeh]

And they were CGI in No Way Home.

[@austinkersey2445]

Alfred Molina was actually impressed enough by the puppeteers that he would cut up and talk to them in-between takes. They were behind screens and such, so Molina would talk to the tentacles. He even named them: Harry, Larry, Flo, and Moe.

[@ThatNordicGuy]

To be fair, even if the people on the train DID tell someone what Spider-Man looks like, what could they really say? "Spider-Man looks like a non-descript white guy with brown hair. Age range? Either 19 or 37!"

[@leedog396]

That would really narrow it down in NYC lol

[@camil3545]

reminds me of that one scene in the Justice League cartoon where Flash and Lex Luthor swapped bodies, kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJ2cfZ-qja1pnMk

[@KaizerHiwatari]

@@camil3545 That clip is gold

[@robkoenig3355]

Spider-Man everytime he fights he hold back cause if he let loose full strength he could could kill someone. That’s why Goblin was such a formidable foe because he could take a punch and give it back.

[@wolfkniteX]

Yep, if his strength is anything like in the comics then it's a considerable amount. There was a few years where Doc Ock managed to switch bodies with Peter Parker and left Peter to die in his old, dying body, so Otto was "The Superior Spider-Man" for a while feeling that he could be a better hero than Peter was. It was his time as Spider-Man when he discovered just how strong Peter was when he fought The Scorpion and punched his lower jaw right off. It was only then that Otto realized just how much Peter was pulling his punches every time they fought.

[@clydefrosch]

Yeah but you can hold back and still disable everyone normal in one punch Like, he's holding back to normal human strength levels, like it's an on/off button instead of a scale

[@wakingup7421]

@@wolfkniteX Correct. The comics show this alot better. but yes.. he is holding back because he knows his real strength. This is basically why spider-man is #1 in comics and super heroes. hes stronger than he portrays himself to be and the villains are placed at his equal. no other character has that many amazing super villains. Batman has a few but spidey has too many good ones to count.

[@XXXTentaclez]

im high af..........

[@samuraibeluga3749]

@@clydefrosch fair but then again its still a movie therefore gotta suspend your disbelief.

[@ead630]

What a glorious, profound movie. This and The Dark Knight are in a league of their own when it comes to superhero movies. Nothing even comes close.

[@Narutoanime16g]

Facts

[@MrPicklerwoof]

I actually think Batman Begins is a better film than TDK though.

[@zxbc1]

@@MrPicklerwoof Fact, too.

[@happyslapsgiving5421]

The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout: "this and The Dark Knight are in a league of their own when it comes to superhero movies!" ...and I'll look down and whisper: "No."

[@LeonardoKlotz]

Don't forget LOGAN

[@hairywelder5188]

Still one of the best superhero movies

[@oliviarogers2808]

7:45 Spider-Man's super durable and heals pretty quickly, but not Deadpool quickly. If you like shot him in the head at point blank range, he'd die, but he can typically survive tall heights. Even Tom's Spider-Man in Homecoming survived a pretty big fall into the lake.

[@NewsofPE]

if you're even able to get close to him before he fucks you up yes lol

[@wolfkniteX]

Holland Spidey also survived getting hit by a train going top speed after getting wrecked by Mysterio's illusions.

[@bradley8258]

@@wolfkniteX and he also got blew up point blank and only had a few cuts

[@Regu269]

Spiderman is strong enough to give the Hulk a problem. Falling from a few hundred feet is nothing

[@Westbrook43]

@@Regu269 Also strong enough to one shot his enemies (GG, Doc Ock, Scorpion etc.)

[@ieyke]

To answer your question, Spider-Man is titanically strong. Like, the dude can catch a bus that's flying through the air, and throw fire trucks. Spider-Man pulls his punches about 99% of the time in order to not kill and maim people. If he wanted to, he could knock Doc Ock's head clean off in a puff of red mist. He used his full strength against monstrously tough opponents, like Sand Man, Venom, Lizard, Rhino, etc.

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

Because venom has same strength as spiderman That's why spiderman uses his full potential

[@HobGungan]

I think it was stated once that canonically Spider-Man has more sheer strength than The Hulk. Hulk just has no control over it and is nearly indestructible which is why he's more dangerous.

[@clash5j]

When Dock Ock briefly took over Peter's body, he punched the Scorpion and easily broke his jaw. This is something that Peter had never done. Subconsciously he won't allow himself to use his full strength. It was at that moment that Doc Ock realized that Spiderman has always held back his full strength even when fighting him

[@brewdaly1873]

@@HobGungan I think I remember one old panel that put them on the same level, but that's definitely not the case now. They've tremendously buffed Hulk in the last 30 years. Spidey's upper limit is around 25 tons, while Hulk is strong enough to literally stop an earthquake by holding two continental plates together.

[@wolf99000]

its like Superman the only one he can really let go on is Darkside same with Peter he cannot really let lose unless its with a small % of his bad guys

[@xyex]

Fun fact about Willem Dafoe's scene at the end of the film: it wasn't in the script. He just dropped by the set while they were filming, to say hello, and they asked if he'd be interested in shooting the scene.

[@zmarko]

Definitely watch part 3. It gets a lot of negativity thrown its way, but I really enjoy that film. It's not as bad as everyone says. It would have been a lot better if the studio didn't insist in meddling with the production, and there are a few cheesey bits, but all in all it's a good film, and wraps up the Tobey Spider-Man pretty well IMO.

[@user-dc6vq7zj6d]

I liked it too

[@ajivins1]

I thought it was cluttered and messy...

[@ajivins1]

@@carn9507 I have many names...

[@DaveWest401]

Part 3 was pretty good I liked it

[@trankzen148]

Agreed, watch it even if only for Bully Maguire.

[@joachimlarsen2k]

Peter Parker is just getting kicked in the face over and over again through the first half of this movie, wich makes his redemption that much more satisfying and Doc Ock is the most perfect movie villain ever. This movie is perfect.

[@carlossaraiva8213]

Not redemption, it's a triumph.

[@joachimlarsen2k]

@@carlossaraiva8213 It's both

[@faiaazfardin1596]

spider-man actually holds back a lot, hes mad strong. Like superman spider-man doesn`t go all out, he did it several times in comics went all out.

[@redbrick2745]

Agreed. If Spidey hit with full force against a normal person, he would kill them.

[@LordVolkov]

There's a comic arc where Doc Ock is in Peter's body, and he punches Vulture full force and nearly kills him, and Doc understands that Peter has been holding back all this time.

[@faiaazfardin1596]

@@LordVolkov Yh superior Spider-Man also when he fought kingpin in back in black

[@leedog396]

A good example of how strong he is... when he accidentally knocks out Flash in Homecoming.

[@HMcQ7891]

_"I feel so bad for (MJ's) groom"_ To be fair, in the comics, he's a space werewolf.

[@SuzakuX]

What, space werewolves don't deserve love?

[@KthulhuXxx]

The scene of him leaving his costume in a dumpster is pulled direclty from a comic panel, in a story called "Spider-Man No More". In the story, he wasn't having "performance issues", but his life as Spider-Man was SERIOUSLY affecting his life as Peter Parker in a bad way, and so he quit for a while. This story also marks the first appearance of the Kingpin, who later became much more associated with Daredevil.

[@fleason771]

It's so subtle but the existential crisis Peter faces are summed up by Octavious at dinner "Love should never be a secret. If you keep something as complicated as love stored up inside, it could make you sick" this and what May says about heroes is why I resonate with this script 🤩

[@vwlssnvwls3262]

As a huge fan of the comics, Alfred Molina absolutely nailed Doctor Octopus!

[@fleason771]

Simply regarded as one of the best superhero films of all time by many including myself. Standouts here are the emotional plot focusing on Peter not Spider-Man & the true meaning of "With great power, comes great responsibility" & the incredible advancement in CGI, characters you can actually care about & the budget. 2004 was a while ago now

[@dgurlie-0273]

And that is what I feel MCU Spiderman is missing g that’s making it hard (for me, at least) to accept him as Spiderman. MCU Spiderman has everything handed to him and he doesn’t learn responsibility (until…) Every works out for him one way or the other. This Spiderman learns about power and responsibility. He learns that he can’t have everything. If Spiderman wins, Peter Loses; and if Peter wins, Spiderman loses, and when Spiderman loses, people are in danger. There isn’t a win-win here. But MCU Spiderman always finds a win-win and never learns the meaning of sacrifices (until…) So that’s my little rant on the subject. Spiderman 2 is a personal favorite of mine because it nails exactly who Spiderman is suppose to be. I’m not getting anything from MCU Spiderman, other than if you have friends in high places, everything will be handed to you.

[@hairywelder5188]

Both good comments but hopefully they'll put that right in the next movies cos the end of nwh was kind of a soft reboot imo

[@wynnsworld]

@@dgurlie-0273 I agree 100% with what you said about mcu vs og spiderman. It seems as though mcu spiderman has always had a team behind him to help (ned is literally his "guy in the chair" lol). *SPOILERS for NWH* I hope mcu spiderman learns to work by himself, and judging by the end of NWH it seems like we may get a more independent spiderman in the future

[@jesuspernia8031]

I still have this at the top of my list but now I’m starting to like Spider-Man 1 better. Just as much if not maybe a little better than 2.

[@aliimiza8421]

@@jesuspernia8031 I bet you‘re saying this because of the green goblin and the new Spider Man Movie…

[@Zombiesnyder13]

They gave AVI ARAD a big thank you in the credits of NO WAY HOME But do you know who deserves a much bigger thank you? LAURA ZISKIN It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the original trilogy and TASM1 had depth And Arad just wanted to use those movies to sell toys

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@ThreadBomb I'm saying that greed is for amateurs

[@motta_math_]

what a shame...

[@lainwakura]

who?

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@lainwakura the producer

[@jennideangelis]

at the end of spider-man 1 after peter & mary jane kissed & he walked away she touched her lips as if she recognized the kiss .. i think that’s why she did the same kiss with her fiancé bc she wanted to see if it’d feel the same as it did with peter .

[@ThatMessiFan10]

I think it's more that she also kissed Spiderman in the rain. And when she kissed Peter in the end of the first movie the kiss felt similar to that. She had her doubts. When she kissed her fiance with his head titled backwards (kind of like the one she did with Spiderman when he was hanging upside down), it reminded her of that doubt, and she wanted to confirm it 100% if peter is spiderman or not. That's why she just randomly tells Peter to kiss him in the cafe. Also the fact that she says that she kind of knew Peter's identity confirms that it was just the doubt she was carrying all this time.

[@jennideangelis]

@@ThatMessiFan10 that’s exactly what i said

[@ThatMessiFan10]

@@jennideangelis oh I thought you meant that if she felt the same "love" that she felt with peter, not that she recognized the kiss with Peter and Spiderman as one.

[@golfextreme506]

You do need to see Spiderman 3 as well as The Amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2 before you watch the new Spidey movie. It has villians from all of those movies as you will see from the trailer.

[@Hypotaksen]

Don't watch trailers.

[@jesuspernia8031]

TASM1 was so underrated and I genuinely thought it was Amazing (no pun intended). Solid 9/10 imo. Spider-Man 3 had flaws but still came away thinking it was a great film. 8/10 for that one imo.

[@Buffy8Fan]

I like this film and trilogy for many reasons people critique it. I see it through the eyes of someone who thinks the director was going for the tone of the original Stan Lee comics and was purposely making them a little corny (as the original comics seem nowadays) while still giving them heart (as said comics had both when they came out and now).

[@ajivins1]

Raimi's a class act.

[@garricksmalley1733]

That shot of Spider-Man walking away form his suit in the trashcan is a panel from one of the issues. Loved it.

[@joshualandry3160]

I’ll defend the 3rd one all day. It has some serious issues, but the payoff at the end is absolutely beautiful. I think it’s my favorite of the 3 just for that. It’s most definitely worth watching. Yes, I know other people don’t always agree with my taste. You are entitled, no need to flame 😀

[@HobGungan]

Just because an 8/10 is lesser than two 10/10s doesn't mean it's not still an 8/10 movie.

[@joshualandry3160]

@@HobGungan totally agree, and that jar jar Binks avatar is just way too appropriate for that comment.

[@Travel__Spin]

It really only had issues because Sony forced Raimi to make a crazy huge plot without actually being able to expand into other comics like Raimi wanted. I’m excited the MCU is giving him a second chance with Multiverse of Madness.

[@HobGungan]

@@Travel__Spin Being deliberately vague just so we don't spoil them in case they read this. It was always going to have the same amount of villains, just Raimi's original idea for one of them wasn't working on the story development phase, which is why he ultimately caved to doing the one he didn't want to do but the studio was pressuring him to do since it *did* fit the theme of what he was going for better. And while I understand why hardcore fans of that story and character may have balked at the final result at first viewing, I think it's a fantastic take on the material perfectly fitting the style and tone these movies have always had and it is one of if not my absolute favorite renditions thereof.

[@darkwyve]

It also gave us some of the greatest lasting memes... Bully Maguire forever! ;) haha...

[@stathissdz2125]

Alfred Molina really nailed the role! He is one of my favorite actors - and an underrated one!

[@deanna9808]

In this AI's defence, the only thing that seeps in is the simple imperative to complete the experiment. No free-association 'humanity is evil'. Just completing a function.

[@DwellingTheAbyss]

Well the thing about Spider-Man is he always holds back that's why those punches weren't killing Doc Oc. In the comics when doc oc temporarily takes over Spider-Man's body, he discovers this when he one punched scorpion's jaw away. Heck he even pushes his body away so that normal people don't break their arms. He only uses his full strength against people like venom, goblin or other super powered people.

[@KthulhuXxx]

16:00 - Spidey holds back a LOT when he's fighting most villains. There was actually a storyline in the comics a few years back where Doc Ock was dying because of the years of getting beat up. He did a mind-swap with Spidey, and sort of became a anti-hero for a while. During a fight with another villain, the Scorpion, and literally punched his jaw off. That's when Ock realized just how much Peter was usually holding back during their fights...and how absurdly strong Spider-Man's body really was.

[@DouglasJohnson.]

The 1978 "Superman" The 2004 "Spiderman 2" and the "The Dark Knight" are really the gold standard of how great and original superhero movies can be. Glad you guys liked this one. One of my all time favorites.

[@zGamerGodz]

yes its literally performance issues. the first movie with the biological webs were an allegory to puberty when a young man starts producing his own... webs... and the troubles that come with that and like many people already said. yes spiderman is canonically so strong that in the 90s cartoon he was not allowed to throw a single punch during its run cause if he actually punched someone the person would just turn into a red mist. also cause he is so sturdy, not only does he not punch with full power he also rolls with punches thrown at him cause anyone hitting him would break their arm from the impact with him, basically hitting him is the same as hitting brick wall

[@kin4386]

That's actually interesting. What if the trilogy is actually some kind of message about puberty? The first movie is representative of what happens when you first get hit with it, (Unexpected changes to your body, crazy hormones, etc.) the second movie showcases performance issues/anxiety that makes you unable to perform in high tension moments, and the third movie is about what puberty does to you mentally with things like rebellious/douchey phases and making bad decisions.

[@zGamerGodz]

@@kin4386 im pretty sure that is exactly how it is. I dont remember if the director himself confirmed it or not tho. But regardless of intention it can comfortably be interpreted that way

[@StMargorach]

There is a moment in the comics where Peter dies and Dr Octavius takes over his body and decides to fight crime. On the first villain he fights he literally 1 punches the face off someone, who promptly died. He realized that Peter had always been controlling and holding back his strength depending on what enemy he was fighting so that he wouldn't cause any real harm /damage

[@WTDProductions]

“are they warm?” - “stop!” 7:00

[@fleason771]

The train sequence is still one of the best Spider-Man action set pieces 👌 The lengths production went to to make it as good as it looked is fully explained in this extra. They were working on this 12-15min sequence up to 12 months solid & it shows why it still looks so good imo, love the effort - kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2rWpqZ-e6ipidE

[@theotherjake]

George pointing out Uncle Joey gives me hope for humanity.

[@redjakOfficial]

Alfred Molina is great in this movie, and it's hard to take the stage just after Willem Dafoe.

[@harleyjackson3708]

Guys, I get that he uses little mechanical watch things in the new movies and the books, but bottom line, it's just stupid that he never had the power to produce the webs himself like a Spider does. These movies in my opinion FIXED that. If he's gonna 'do whatever a Spider can," then I'm pretty sure he should also be able to make his own webs internally, since spiders don't have web-shooting wrist watches.

[@dnish6673]

Yeah, it always seemed weird that he got all these spider abilities but not the most important one?

[@RyoHazuki224]

Fun Fact: Sam Raimi started his film career directing horror movies. That hospital scene with Doc Ock was a throwback to the types of horror scenes he would make.

[@user-wf4wp8im1n]

@chandllerburse737 First Evil Dead is straight horror movie, dude. The second one is black comedy horror and the Army of Darkness is comedy.

[@Journeyman.71]

The scene on the train, all of it, stopping the train, being saved by the people, the "We won't tell anyone..." This is my favorite scene is all of Spidey-dom!

[@belxander293]

Funny how you talked about depression when Peter called MJ but didn't make the connection between that and his loss of power at this moment yet.

[@FlippytheMasterofPie]

There's an extended cut of this movie ("2.1") that's largely inferior but I will say that the only good addition that version makes is during the post-birthday party scene in the back yard between Peter and MJ: She says "I'm seeing someone", and Peter responds "Oh, therapy". That's fucking hilarious.

[@quietdemon8138]

Cool fact when MJ is running to Peter’s apartment in her wedding dress the dude who looks back at her in front of the fountain is Thomas Jane who played Frank Castle aka The Punisher in the movie The Punisher (2004) and the tie in video game of the same name from 2005

[@donaldseale2700]

It was a Cameo appearance of The Punisher, because they was originally planning to do a crossover movie between the 2, but that wasn't Thomas Jane in that scene. It was actually his stunt double that looks very much like him. I can't remember if it was over scheduling conflicts or some other reasoning, but Thomas Jane himself couldn't do it.

[@richardb6260]

The shot of Peter walking away and the Spider-Man costume in the trashcan is a recreation of the last page of Amazing Spider-Man #50 from 1967.

[@-nav-398]

7:17 Bruce Campbell as the usher. Just incase anyone else recognized his face.

[@harleyjackson3708]

I love how nobody picks up on the fact that Jameson is actually just raising Parker without telling him. That much is evident when he doesn't give Peter to The Green Goblin. He's just giving Peter the tough love treatment. Jameson is basically everyone's dick-of-a-Dad stories rolled into one character.

[@Patara.]

like the "that's outragous!... done." i think he's proud that he stood his ground a lil bit.

[@harleyjackson3708]

@@Patara. Exactly! You can't TELL me we haven't all had a version of that same conversation with our OWN father figures before.

[@inarar5334]

One of the times Peters been accused of crimes in the comics JJJ funded his entire defense anonymously (I think anonymously anyway). He's always had a soft spot for Peter but he also has a reputation to uphold. The best was when he fainted right out of his chair when Peter unmasked in Civil War.

[@Kenny-ep2nf]

One of the best sequels of all time, it even exceeded the success of the first movie due to how well it was received in the box office. I still rewatch it every now and then when I'm bored

[@wisecr]

This is my favourite Spidermanmovie of all time.. Great mixture of action, comedy and drama and filosophy. Octavius is great villain, flawed human.🤔🙂 Cool t-shirt btw George, (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy)🤘

[@byronabrahams871]

I've long considered this a perfect comic book movie. It's like watching a comic book. Will always love it.

[@zmarko]

George: "i cant believe his webs are biological. Are they warm?" 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@implicitmintjulep]

An exceptional film. The performances, the writing, the direction, everything just on a whole different level to the Garfield and Holland films and superior to the comics in some respects. Top 3 superhero movies of all time and has aged a lot better than other notable examples. That last shot on Mary-Jane's face is perfect.

[@rickdadick3220]

You guys always have the most authentic and genuine reactions, LOVE EM! Keep em coming!!!!

[@saucygoat8287]

There are a couple versions of Doc Oc in the comics that need to be carried around by his arms because over the years Spider-Man basically turned him into a vegetable

[@lurkerrekrul]

3:07 - Peter's professor is Dr. Kurt Connors who in the comics, becomes the villain The Lizard. Maybe just an Easter egg, or maybe they planned to cover his story in a later film. We'll never know. 7:20 - Bruce Campbell again. 12:57 - Ted Raimi again. 25:35 - His real-life brothers.

[@B355Y]

"Bonesaws ready" made me spit tea all over my screen. Thanks for that 🤣

[@calvinheslop2585]

That's a really good point George made about Doc Oc taking punches from spiderman because in the comics you find out Peter has been pulling his punches all this time when Doctor Oc switched minds with him and ended up punching scorpions bottom jaw off and he realizes that spiderman could've killed him at any time but chose not to.

[@smlshin]

The common explanation is that Spidey holds back his punches. To further this concept, there is a great comic story called Superior Spider-Man. Long story short, Doc Ock and Spidey swapped minds. Doc Ock as Spidet was once fighting a criminal and he paralyzed him with a punch and Otto realized that he now knows Peter always held back whenever he fought him. Otto concludes that Peter is superior over him. All those times he took punches from Peter he held back cause he didn’t want to kill him. It was a profound moment for Otto. He never realized a lot of things about Spidey.

[@brandonflorida1092]

Spiderman's webbing was "biological" in the movies, but that was a deviation from the comic, where it was a device he invented.

[@3DJapan]

I think it's cooler this way but the original way does add more chances for problems, like running out of web fluid, bad batch of it, etc.

[@brandonflorida1092]

@@3DJapan I really hate it when movies violate long established canon, and, on that subject, Mary Jane Watson wasn't his girlfriend until the comic had been out for many years. He was set up with her by his aunt and kept deliberately missing the meetings. His first girlfriend was Gwen Stacy.

[@wolf99000]

well they were inventions in amazing spider-man right

[@robertbryant8243]

I don't remember if it happened before or after the movie, but at some point Peter acquired the ability to produce webs naturally.

[@reptomicus]

@@brandonflorida1092 His first girlfriend was Betty Brant. You should be mad at yourself. hehe

[@steved1135]

The sacks of gold coins at the bank was an homage to the comic books.

[@davidq.5488]

The eyewitnesses' descriptions will vary, either the train or on the streets. Ask any cop when there's more than one witness how many different variations of the same thing. Just how the mind works; can be exceptions at times.

[@Degenerick]

i dont know if you guys know this but literally every scene and line of dialogue in this movie is a legit actual meme

[@HobGungan]

Things in each film people are way too hard on. SM1: Goblin's costume. Yeah it's difficult to make a comic-accurate Green Goblin costume in live action and not look rediculous, so this was really the best option they could reasonsbly go with and keep the dynamic of a guy in a costume who argues with his mask in tact. And while it doesn't necessarily work 100% of the time, it's still an amazing design and Willam Dafoe sells the crap out of it. SM2: Mary Jane. Look, her timing on her decisions isn't the best but it's understandable at least from her perspective and no matter how great a guy John Jameson might be, if she doesn't truly love him they're both better off. And to hear the way a lot of people talk about her when complaining about this I have a sneaking suspicion that they'd be a lot more forgiving if the genders were reversed. SM3: The whole movie. It is compromised by executive meddling in a troubled production, but it still manages to be a solid 8/10 movie in spite of it and is a perfect thematic continuation/conclusion to this story.

[@ThePunisherSpider]

MJ deserves a break on this movie. She was trying to move on and Peter, from an outsider's perspective, was being a dick. He was trying to charm her while telling her they can't be together. The entire thing is a mess but you get it because he's Spider-Man and she is in love with Peter, and she tries to move on with her life. Also props to her with the "is not fair for us to be half alive, so let's make this work even if it kills us young". Also, I feel people are way too hard on MJ on SM3, and that I just don't get, that entire movie was about Peter being a dick, even without the new costume. Agree with SM3 being thematically strong and a good thematic conclusion to the trilogy. The first one is about accepting power and responsability, the second about truly making that for yourself, not just because "it's the right thing". And the third one is about using the power responsibly and not letting it go to your head.

[@muggy2128]

I always loved the concept/prototype goblin animatronic mask that was super comic accurate but I agree it would've scared younger audiences, including me in 2002. I chalk up MJ's decisions due to her growing up in a troubled home and being treated badly by her exes, Spider-Man 3 isn't bad, like you said it was mostly studio intervention that pulled it down from what its core story could've been

[@zack8865]

@@ThePunisherSpider MJ was very complicated in this trilogy, she could've been so much better

[@spongeboymebob771]

I'm probably one of the only ones, but I absolutely love the militaristic Goblin armor. Personally not too big a fan of the latex/rubber mask Halloween costume style from the comics (How does a mask even work that well?! He looks as if he was a genuine goblin monster instead of a guy in a mask with how that thing moves) But I like it a bit. I do think it's pretty much impossible to accurately translate it to a live action movie, dude would just look plain goofy, and yeah I've seen the original 2002 prototype mask. The static militaristic mask is probably the best we could've gotten not counting the no-mask hood and goggles from NWH.

[@TheRealARTHR]

Octavius being beaten up by superheroes is a plot point in the comics, which resulted in severe trauma and a few months for his inevitable death. This eventually leads up to writer Dan Slott's magnum opus, Superior Spider-Man, where Octavius swipes minds with Peter and becomes what he thinks, is the superior Spider-Man.

[@dracoargentum9783]

Interesting Tidbit: In the comics ['Web of Spiderman', if I remember right] Otto Octavius and May Parker had a romantic fling for a while. Otto had discovered Parkers identity, however he and Peter had formed a truce while they dated because Otto actually had feelings for May.

[@lethaldose2000]

One of my favorite scenes for sure, when Spiderman saves the runaway train. While at the same time he's exposed a Spiderman but the citizen love him so much they vow to keep his secret. Simone you are totally right about the dramatic pauses to build the emotional moments. aThose were great director choices by Sam Remi.

[@austinroy5146]

16:26 there are stories in the comics that actually address this, doc ock dies due to continuous injuries sustained over the years from fighting mostly spiderman, later on he gets resurrected and gains control of peter's body, accidentally punches scorpions jaw off, and realises that peter used to pull his punches to avoid hurting people too badly

[@TheJabbate1]

Once upon a time, the reason I thought they decided on organic web shooters was because they were planning ahead for a Man-Spider arc, where the spider mutations continued and Peter turned into a human-spider hybrid. Given Sam Raimi's knack for horror, it seemed only logical.

[@jacksonmay153]

it would have been fucking amazing!

[@DoctorWortspieler]

Someone actually did the science, and came to the conclusion that yes, if spider silk was as thick as the strands Peter was shooting out in the film, and based on the number of webs he shot out, it really *could* stop a runaway train as depicted here.

[@Logan_Baron]

"Is she hitting on him?" In the comics Betty was a love interest for Peter before MJ or even Gwen Stacy.

[@tylerbrown5526]

Love seeing Thomas Jane's Punisher in the background of Mary Jane running past that fountain.

[@newspooiechannel]

Still my all-time favorite comic book film. The original script included each individual arm having their own distinct personality and influence over Doc Ock. This subplot was phased out during the filming process and none of it was retained in the theatrical cut other than when Octavius exclaims "you listen to me, now!" at the end when he overpowers the arms with his own will once more. The full body shots with the arms were all GC, but almost all of the close-up shots of the clamps and individual arms were done practically.

[@AidanDownes_KH]

Ngl I’m in love with this channel and all the content I’ve seen so far!

[@joshuacampbell7493]

Please tell me you already scheduled Spider-Man 3 in this month.

[@todderickson2435]

I will argue until my dying days that the best piece of casting ever done under the Marvel banner is J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson. Absolutely OWNS the character, in every conceivable way. I love your reactions, you two!! And your chow mein thread was gold!

[@lethaldose2000]

Doc Oct is such a badass villain; both the comics and the movie took the time to show his back story. Which gave his character a multi-dimensional depth to it that explores the deep psychology of psychosis and revenge. Evil never thinks its evil, since there is no self-reflection involved. Evil operates from a narcissistic base and all of its decisions and actions are driven by that motivation. We all want to have things go our way, villains will stop at nothing to get their way, no matter how people get tossed in harm's way.

[@johnmosley9376]

7:20 You guys didn't immediately say, "Ash!". Have you not seen theEvil Dead movies and Army of Darkness? They are Sam Rami's and they are spectacular!

[@botwitaprice]

There was no better shot, than seeing Mary-Ann see Peter for who he is. On her face was surprise, joy, & love.- About the character Doc Oc - going from comic-book to Real Life, seemed a little rough making it work. What would make sense about showing his invention with 8 mashine-arms?

[@7uji709]

Good reaction. It seems like sometimes you forget it's a super hero MOVIE and you want everything to make sense like it is real life.😀

[@nickomatick8394]

Fun facts about this movie. The 2 boys that gave peter his mask on the train were Tobey Maguire's nephews. Also the second person that hit peter with there backpack was Sam Raimi himself.

[@marcw6875]

Nobody seems to appreciate Mary Jane channeling her true New Yorker with that loud whistle and "I'm talkin' to you!!" lol :)

[@chriscaudle4083]

"Are they warm?" killed me. Put it on my tombstone.

[@frankspike4062]

Love the thumbails lately ! So funny

[@nyceone43]

Greatest superhero movie EVER!!! Amazing performances from every character. Subplots all bolster the larger themes, and the action actually feels high stakes.

[@aidanfarnan4683]

Fun Fact: that train fight sequence was originally storyborded for a film called "Crimewave" which was Raimi's second film after "The Evil Dead" and the first one he made with an actual film crew. because it was his first time with an actual film studeo, he didn't get the budgets, permits, or timescale right and it was a complete disaster and several of it's more ambitious segments were never filmed, incuding the train fight he later re-used in this.

[@__TW__]

The guy who's denying Peter entry to the theater is also the guy who named him The Amazing Spider-Man in the wrestlingmatch in the first movie... ;-) And if you ever watch Evil Dead (also directed by Sam Raimi) you'll see him again.

[@mikefetterman6782]

One of Alfred Molina's first roles was the assistant in the cave (right before the rock rolling) who betrays Indiana and suffers instant karma, immediately after.

[@juggernautwzrd]

"are they warm" thats something ive never wanted to think about when it came to organic webs

[@toothbrushfromnisemonogatari]

The first two Spider-Man are easily some of my favorite movies of all time! Great video, exited for 3, which I personally still really enjoy.

[@malcolmmacinnis247]

3:28 "Oh I shall never breed" hahahahaha

[@sophiecooper1824]

I'm still at work for a couple of hours but can't wait to watch your reaction to one of my all time favorite movies . Doc Ock is such a cool character and Peter's story is so good

[@Brankonius]

I saw this in theatres when I was little. Was absolutely amazing, there was nothing like this at the time.

[@iamburko]

"it can't be stopped" "Oh actually, just drop it in some water" 😂😂😂

[@3DJapan]

So funny I was just thinking of Douglas Adams a few minutes ago, then I start watching and see that shirt.

[@cendererol]

J.K Simmons omg after all those years still laughing so hard :) Look at this beautiful story and great actors! He struggling with poverty, feeling guilt and everything.

[@jtubetv9380]

Yooo the “it’s not chow mein” had me dead 🙈🙊🤣🤣🤣

[@ivanhernandez8070]

2:53 Betty was actually an early love interest for Peter in the comics. It’s possible Raimi wanted to explore that in this movie but it just got cut for time.

[@aaricw]

I find it interesting that two scenes (of what I believe to be very important) were cut for this youtube version. When aunt may is moving out of her house, she explains to peter what a true hero is, and the scene where he embodies that true hero in his very nature, by entering a burning building without any powers to rely on. A true sacrifice that trumps anything he did as spiderman.

[@clash5j]

17:31 is a direct cinematic rendition of a famous panel in Spiderman #50 when Peter also gives up being Spiderman.

[@OhThatRobin]

Love the Magrathea shirt! I love the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy ^^

[@CRSHOVRRIDE]

This spiderman knows his power and holds back his punches

[@drunkanddisorderlygamer5818]

Spiderman always pulls his punches, becasue he is afraid to permanently damage/hurt his enemies. Reason why he never just knockes em out. If he want to, he can punch right trough your face.

[@CalamityDiamond]

To address why the Doc can tank Peters punches, Spider Man pulls his punches against normal humans, there's a comic that addresses this - when Doc Ock takes Peters body and punches Scorpions jaw off. Then he realizes Spiderman was always holding back.

[@jlott069]

I've actually had a spinal tap done. I''m disabled, nerve damage along the spine and nerve roots. It wasn't obvious as to why the degradation occurred, it took a lot of testing over a long period of time to figure it out. Had several spinal taps done. That hurts. I mean, I live with pain and will live with pain for the rest of my life, so I'm both blessed and cursed. It's given me a very high tolerance for pain, while at the same time made me more sensitive to it. Spinal taps SUCK. So seeing all of those driven into his spine like that... just... ugh.