Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse is a (Flawed) Masterpiece

[@captainmidnight]

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[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Amazing

[@katherinealvarez9216]

I haven't seen it yet.

[@chasehedges6775]

Haven’t watched it but it looks awesome

[@Coolgamer..]

Spiderman Across the Spider Verse is not the best spiderman movie but it's still a pretty damn good movie. I like the stories for Gwen and Miles Morales. I like the references and the animation was soild.

[@onojioboardwalk9748]

No.. Its flawed, And thats all. Its a piece of trash filled with fakeversity. This is one of those videos that is beneath you as a content creator, Captain Midnight.. And your reviewing it.

[@zenzosp]

Regarding the spider people falling in line, I think it's important to consider that spider society works on the basis of whether you're chosen or not to join in, Miguel simply has the ability to select whoever he wants and it wouldn't be that crazy to think he'd only do it with like minded individuals to support his mission It's also shown that some of them aren't completely convinced even if they try to stop miles

[@jandjhroco]

It's shown that he initially didn't want Gwen to join as she wouldn't like what his attitude towards Miles was.

[@potater8034]

I get it but it still bothers me that spectacular spiderman and ben reilly just fall in line

[@phoenixfunny4517]

​@@potater8034 it does make sense that Spectacular and a lot of Spider-Men do since they 1) were the chosen Spider-Man of their universe 2) already had gone through certain major canon events that would lead them to believe this is how it has to be in all universes for Spider-Man to truly be the best version of himself. Since they have already gone through those canon events there is no "maybe I can stop it if..." mindset, just the acceptance they've already gone through.

[@Vekcrazah]

@@jandjhroco I think we're fed with a false assumption. We're led to assume Miguel was picky with spidermen, but then we see that he literally has a citadel filled with all types of spidermen, with all types of attitudes and tropes. So, it stands to question, where does the line Miguel start to draw on? Perhaps the line is Miles Morales himself. Perhaps Miguel was hard-pressed or had to be convinced by a large degree to recruit anyone related to Miles, since his universe began the rift of the multiverse, and that he's a walking anomaly. Gwen might be the last spiderfolk Miguel had to recruit that's within Miles' circle, and that's where we start to view the story.

[@outlettered]

Totally agree, another thing is that any version of spiderman may well be able to internalise the trauma of what happened to them. They probably don't see the tragedy of another spiderman in the same way as the tragedy of of an innocent civilian because they project themselves onto it and potentially have less sympathy, if they're the type to choose their own suffering over the suffering of others. To them Miles may be selfish and they may have a "Dude just get it over and done with" attitude. (I feel this point is also enhanced by your point as well as ultimately they're all people who were given a handout by Miguel to join)

[@darbs1832]

To be fair: a majority of them didn't know why they were chasing Miles - they were just told to stop him by their 'leader', Miguel.

[@whistlebird]

That's what I was thinking. They just heard an order and complied, though they were all there generally to keep the canon. Also, I don't think they actually work that well together. Case in point: there were hundreds if not thousands of spidermen in the base all trying to stop Miles. All doing it together but not in sync and not successfully. Miles didn't even use his invisibility, to lure them all out. So yeah, smaller groups work better for them 😂

[@peterporker7822]

Okay, but Spectacular Peter did. He was there. So to see him go against his “no turning his back on anyone” ideals, really annoys me. It’s like the writers said “yeah I wanna ruin your character to build up my own”

[@Grizzexploder]

Spectacular Peter's (or at least the version in the movie) story also seemed to continue on offscreen with him losing more like Captain Stacy, so him listening to Miguel isn't out of the question imo

[@peterporker7822]

@@Grizzexploder But it’s incredibly out of character for the Spectacular Spider-Man we know. It’d be like if someone made a movie where it’s a multiverse of Iron Men and we find out that MCU Tony went back to selling arms. Even if i said it’s been years since Endgame, it wouldn’t feel right would it?

[@zachvii6476]

@@whistlebird I don’t think there was a single “combo” or “team-up” choreography sequence between the Spider-Society members throughout the entire chase scene. Really good point. Also highlights a spot where Miles (and also Gwen and Peter B) thrive because in the first movie they fought really well as a team alongside Penni, Peter Porker, and Noir

[@MoonWielder]

l like how there were various themes of parenthood in this movie. We had Peter B. Parker starting to become a new father, Miles's parents having to deal with their son growing up, and Gwen's father's struggle to come to terms with his daughter's identity.

[@blackmanwithcomputer]

Don't forget Miguel's trauma spiral after losing a child.

[@magic369z]

Don't forget Miguel with his daughter also

[@ezragonzalez7075]

Oh also don’t forget about miguel loosing his daughter.

[@ennmano7630]

Yeah make sure to remember that Miguel lost his daughter

[@beezlebubb]

That Miguel dude? Don't forget his daughter dead af

[@francibrasilis]

I don't think all the Spider-Men agree with Miguel. They have no clue what's going on. They just trust the guy they know more than the new guy. Miguel says "Don't let Miles escape" and they try to prevent him from escaping. That makes sense to me.

[@TheShowmanMovies]

I like this, it definitely seems like some of them know (Gwen and Peter B. Parker) so I’m hoping this gets explored more in the sequel

[@Venom_1462]

Yeah thats what I took it as too

[@SolracNexus]

You'd think that peter parker would do due diligence and wonder why they have to stop someone they don't know about, like every iteration of peter parker; and yes, that includes the punisher spider-man. But oh well, it's a family movie I guess

[@tacopizzasandwich621]

Miguel isn’t just the guy they know more, he’s the leader of all of them, and he has much more knowledge about the multiverse

[@sryan9547]

This is exactly what I thought Miguel says "Stop him" not "Stop him because he's not gonna let his dad die". The other spidermen are just going along with the mission they are given and don't know why. The aren't just falling in line.

[@moonchild977]

I think Miguel’s logic is kinda comforting to the older spider people, which is most of them. they’ve already been through their trauma, and so it feels nice to think that it meant something, that their pain was at least helpful to others, because spider man is about sacrifice so other people can live well. but even then, most of the ones that understood the conflict wavered. like Gwen letting Miles do his thing in Munbattan, deep down they all wish that those deaths didn’t have to happen, and most of them have let Miles at least try. Miguel also seems to be projecting quite a lot - he resembles Miles much more than any Peter, and so stopping him now must feel to Miguel like he’s keeping his younger self from messing up. it’s rather incredible how every motivation makes sense, tbh

[@JudgementNutter]

Josh Keaton himself has talked about and tried to rationalize why HIS version of Spectacular sided with Miguel. He confirmed that it was Spectacular who said "Captain Stacey, I'm so sorry" while on the ground mourning his death along with all the other Spiders in the movie. We know Spectacular Captain Stacey knew Peter was Spider-Man and tried to help him out so his death hit Peter extremely hard, it was another father figure he lost and could not save. Also remember Spectacular Peter is only 15, he's young and impressionable so when Miguel shows up and seems to have all the answers, Josh rationalized that yeah Peter would latch on and trust him, looking for that father figure. We see that Miguel and the other Spiders have machines to try and contain/fix broken cannon worlds and he says "we haven't always been lucky". That tells me enough Spiders have broken cannon for Miguel to develop technology to try and save it and to justify his views. There isn't much to prove he is wrong, alot of what he said is technically true so I can definitely understand why alot of Spiders joined him. We don't know how many worlds have been destroyed and how many Spiders have died from broken cannon but I don't think it was just Miguel, it must have been more for him to be this savage and insistent that Miles let his father die.

[@loseeraleeert2444]

Also, it’s implied as far as everyone in the Spider Society is concerned, it’s an AMAZING PLACE. the Spider’s just hang out there for fun, with ppl who really GET them, I’ve also heard somewhere that it’s a place outside of time, so they can really kick back unlike on their own universe, its got workout areas, a cafeteria (especially good for the dirt poor Spiderppl), THEY CAN EVEN GO TO THERAPY, honestly the only thing bad about it is the canon, and as far as they know there is no way to change it inside or outside of the Spider Society, so it’d be better to just stay where they atleast have comrades who can relate to their pain. Gwen is the ONLY one that we know of that has an obligation to stay, and she STILL RAVES ABOUT IT TO MILES

[@aliensinnoh1]

@@loseeraleeert2444I don’t think it’s outside of time. It’s still a normal universe, you see a bunch of normal people on the moon highway.

[@IcyDiamond]

You also have to remember that most Spider Men and Women are still kids aged 15 or 16, so a mad man like 2099 can still emotionally manipulate them pretty easily

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

We know from What If that Dr Strange was probably the first to break one and he ultimately wound up killing two universes including his own, and this seems have resonated into a new Canon Event where Dr Strange is now doomed to always break up with Christine in every universe no matter how much he loves her.

[@IcyDiamond]

@Exile from Tomorrow Fair, though honestly he gives me a lot of He Who Remains vibes from Loki, except a lot angrier

[@awkie]

to me it makes sense that the spider-beings fell in line. think about how their responsibility hangs over them their whole lives, haunts them, and then here comes miguel with an excuse to abdicate some of that responsibility - it's fate, so it's not really your fault. of course they would want to think that.

[@LunaryonSunborn]

Especially since it is mentioned that not only Miles, but Gwen were both not supposed to be brought in yet. It is pretty heavily implied that most of the time, Miguel doesn't approach the spider-peoples until right after the 'canon' events happen, and brings them in when they are at their lowest.

[@rainer8137]

@@LunaryonSunborn that actually makes hella sense wtf

[@cardbutton892]

Pretty much. Spider Society also does inadvertently prey on the "Worst" parts of Spidey, through a trolley problem they can't just risk themselves and derail the trolley to solve. The "Worst" part, and often true tragedy, of Spidey is when they allow their grief, guilt, and loss too much control over their choices. While masking that with a "pragmatic" lens. Spidey tends to be just terrible at processing those emotions. Reflecting that societies creator, the very clearly "barely holding himself together" Miguel. Its an echo-chamber. Not intentionally or maliciously, but that is what it is. And given the subject matter of the "intervention", it is heavily implied that both Peni Parker and Spectacular Peter are likely coming very recently off their "Second Canon Moments". The death of a Captain" figure they were close to. For Peni, this would be her version of Aunt May, who is killed by VEN#m while trying to save the child who was that mech's test-pilot. For Spectacular, it would be his Captain Stacy. So, yeah? I could buy them both falling for Miguel's ideology given that.

[@JacobFors]

Spidey has been susceptible to truth being withheld shown by civil war. I don’t know if Miguel is hiding something or also is in the dark but I think something is still in the dark and once that’s shown spidey will switch sides

[@PitViperAA]

I didn't really like them falling in line, but when drawn from an infinite pool, you're going to find the team players much how someone explained the Council of Ricks (also a fiercely independent personality stuck being a minion) But it does make sense that Miguel maybe approached the Spider-Variants at their lowest to get them to Hench for him (which seems very UnSpideylike to be using pimp tactics)

[@HaleysTusk]

Miguel had access to the multiverse, if he encountered a 'Peter Parker' who didn't agree w/ his plan to control the Spiderverse, he just needed to go to a version of that Spiderman that would. It is entirely possible all the Spidermen in the movie agreed w/ his plan. Gwen was one of the newest so her connection w/ Miles from the first movie and being relatively new to the group, didn't conflict w/ her 180 at the end. She had already accepted her Dad would die until Miles convinced her that he didn't have to, which was confirmed when she went home and her Dad took himself out of the 'captain must die' curse, and that only happened because Gwen revealed herself, something she cautioned Miles not to. It took losing his daughter for him to quit the force, thus saving his life. Miles was right.

[@davidleon9037]

!!! This! Miguel is so clearly blinded by his bitterness at losing the timeline he wanted and unjustifiably lashes all of that out at Miles by labeling him the mistake and the reason he has to do any of this. I really hope they expand on this in the third one.

[@Ataru320]

I like this explanation; if they don't agree, keep searching until you find a similar one that does; thus explaining why all the Spiders are on Miguel's side and can't just think for themselves like Miles or Hobie.

[@friendlyneighbourhoodplatypus]

Yeah, I like the idea that for say spectacular Spider-Man, it's *a* spectacular spiderman but not *our/the* spectacular spiderman. Alternatively maybe he's brainwashed or done some time travel or switcheroo shenanigans with the other spidermans.

[@messiahnyx971]

@@davidleon9037 I wouldn't even call it bitterness it feels more like fear, paranoia, or even guilt.Miguel watch an entire universe collapse something like that has an effect on someone

[@davidleon9037]

@@messiahnyx971 I hear that, but also miles objectively had nothing to do with getting bit by the earth 42 spider. He just happened to be at the right place at the right time. The spot is literally the only who snatched the spider away before it was about to bite that version of miles. He’s the clear one at fault for the multiverse getting screwed … and yet Miguel is SUPER cold with Miles right from the start (he literally chucks a trash can at him before Miles even finishes talking) and blatantly and furiously lays all of the blame on Miles even going so far as to say his Peter would’ve lived if it weren’t for him. To me it feels like what’s happening is Miguel is projecting all of his anger/discontent over collapsing that timeline with his family on Miles instead of the spot for some reason. Almost like he doesn’t want Miles to be right about preventing “canon” events because it would mean Miguel losing his family was meaningless. I mean idk that’s what i kinda hope is happening cause it’s so much more interesting but we’ll find out in the next movie for sure!

[@rachit1042]

I was worried that the depth would be lost in the multiverse era, but Across the Spider-Verse really showed me that the multiverse can work really well because every version of the same character is like totally different character. So yes, if written well, it can also work in the MCU.

[@LuisSierra42]

Rick and morty + EEAAO had already proved the multiverse can work before this movie

[@rachit1042]

@@LuisSierra42 ok brother. You won. You and your favourite two multiverse stuff!

[@nicolasriveros943]

Totally. This film was exactly what i was waiting for Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness, which completely wastes His premise. The MCU could take pretty much every note from this movie about how to so a Multiverse narrative right. Then Again, i kinda don't want to since it could easily Lost it's charm

[@Bakagii]

have you tried watching that everywhere all at once movie? i heard it does a great job at handling the theme. This is what i wished multiverse of madness would've been, a story focused on the main character while still having a lot of fun exploring the multiverse with full creativity instead of just walking at red light and flower dimension with joke ass illuminati...

[@Bakagii]

@@nicolasriveros943 knowing their writers ego? they wont....

[@nickshavingcream6463]

While I agree that it would be hard to believe that every version of Peter/Spider-Man would be completely against Miles and on Miguel's side, it's important to note that not every Spider-Person is a part of the Spider Society. There is a reason that Spider-Ham, Spider-Man Noir, Ultimate Spider-Man, the live-action Spider-Men, and more are not present, as well as the fact that Gwen would not have been brought into the society had Jessica not convinced Miguel to let her join; the Spider-People that are a part of the Spider Society are only there because Miguel chose them and actively wanted them to join, because he believed they would believe in and fight for his cause.

[@heaven6148]

Could be, but why spider-man from ps4 is there? He wouldn't agree with this

[@BlueCarnage0]

It could instead be characters who have already gone through the major Canon events. Miguel didn't want Gwen to join because she would be conflicted about saving her father.

[@jx2k331]

@@heaven6148 Maybe it's him after the sequel game coming out this year, since it seems his personality has gotten more cynical

[@messiahnyx971]

Not only that consider Civil war where Peter Parker sided with Tony Stark then changed sides when he saw what tony was eilling to do to win

[@twentytwoblue22]

@@BlueCarnage0 that’s what I keep saying. Since the whole canon events thing seems to also be commentary on spider man’s legacy. All the Peters there have gone through the cycle of canon events, that’s what they’re stuck with. Now it’s time for new iterations of Spider characters to break that cycle and make their own stories. It seems pretty simple

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

The slam Miguel did to Miles on the train came from God.

[@nicolasriveros943]

Same with the punch Uncle Aaron does to the bag when he has Miles hostsge. I legit thought he straight up Killed him There lol

[@grAnita-]

@@nicolasriveros943 same haha, I shit my pants for a moment

[@aelester]

⁠​⁠@@nicolasriveros943 fr me too like they really got me good there

[@vlhruaiatochhawng3076]

​@@nicolasriveros943 Me too,I thought he punched his face so hard that.......nah,I don't even wanna say it.

[@brandoncharles4415]

That whole scene with the fight between Miguel and Miles had me popping off ngl, even though I already saw it in trailers

[@allen-licious6894]

I feel like quite a few of the spider people didn't fully understand the story, as it seems the majority of them were just hanging around the lobby. And as for those that were aware, I feel like the next movie could play with the fact that quite a few of them, were hesitant, some even starting to disagree with Miguel, leading to a huge divide in the spider society.

[@LuisSierra42]

Precisely, the movie never makes it explicit what all of these spider people believe in or not, they just think they are doing the right thing

[@athenajaxon2397]

​@@LuisSierra42 I didn't buy that Spider-Gwen and PeterB would be on Miguel's side either tbh

[@LuisSierra42]

@@athenajaxon2397 they switched sides by the end and again, they thought it was the best for everybody

[@Clownk1ller]

Well most spider people are pretty smart

[@vishitetali2770]

​@@LuisSierra42 I was thinking maybe not all the spider people are in the society and Miguel picks and chooses who he recruits. Some may just be along for the ride as you mentioned. Others could have been lied to, misled, or recruited at a convenient time which led them to pledge their loyalty. The cast of the 1st film are the biggest liability being most likely to help Miles but initially they all side with Miguel. Seeing what they have at stake and their circumstances I feel it points towards the members of the society being carefully chosen. Miguel agrees to let Gwen join once she has a falling out with her dad and has nowhere to go. She's in an incredibly emotionally vulnerable state and she's offered a new life and purpose when things have gone awry in her own universe. Peter B. Parker got his chance to fix his relationship and start a family and by protecting the stability of the multiverse he ensures he gets to keep living his dream life. Peni has her upgraded mech in the movie and going off the comics that means her aunt passed away. It makes sense that dealing with her grief she'd be more cynical and receptive to Miguel's idea of the cannon. Noir and Spider-Ham aren't shown as part of the spider society (although it's completely possible they were members) and only appear in the end when Gwen brings them to help Miles so it's possible they were excluded because they couldn't easily be turned to Miguel's way of thinking. Although Spider-Punk kinda undermines my theory because why would they include someone who has individuality, nonconformity, and disdain for authority at the core of their character into the spider society when Miguel needs people who specifically will be compliant and go along with his plans.

[@SnakeEyesSwim]

For me the best thing in this movie was how well written and surprisingly relatable Miles and Gwen are. Everything they do feels natural, the shy feelings that Miles clearly has for Gwen and her being afraid of getting attached (or just not interested), (or interested in Hobbie more?) are so well portrayed it's just plain beautiful. Also the Miguel plot gives off Doctor Strange from What If vibes and we know that that was brilliant

[@killaghostface1256]

It seemed kinda obvious that Gwen cares about Miles just as much as he cares about Gwen.

[@gltterati]

Gwen is interested in Miles, she just has a lot on her plate: they're literally in different universes [until Across movie], and when she finally got the means to travel to Miles's universe, she knew that she had to not get involved or it would be difficult for them because she has to lie that she doesn't know he is an anomaly or that Miguel's goal was to contain him [which happens in the movie] Miles is like Pav (Indian Spidey) which haven't got their 2nd important death yet, that's why they are more on the younger spidey side and are more innocent/optimistic than the standard spideys

[@CaspianMidnight]

I think that Hobbie and Gwen are strictly platonic, it's pretty obvious that they're just good friends/bandmates as soon as he's introduced. The movie just set it up that way as an insecure (but relatable/sincere) early reaction from Miles.

[@gltterati]

@@CaspianMidnight I can agree but saying 'strictly' is kinda ignorant that Miles has an obvious crush on Gwen. Romantically. Because they're teenagers. The will they or won't they is open to interpretation. The obvious thing is that at the very least they are good friends but i dont agree that it's strictly platonic

[@echelon1014]

​@@gltterati Hobie's obviously just the most chill dude you can hang out with, Gwen is definitely platonic with him

[@shizuwolf]

Maybe they’re trying to stop Miles because other Spider-Men have tried to save their Uncle Ben and wound up getting their universes erased as a result. Which could be symbolic of a comic being cancelled because everyone is like “this spider-man isn’t like the one I grew up on”. Or something along those lines

[@Planag7]

I think the directors basically said something to that extent as well as being publication that miles would never be their Spider-Man. Which honestly after seeing the play of the upcoming game this year I saw a lot of reaction similar. And they literally are getting miles and Peter!

[@lucyandecember2843]

Ooooo

[@brandonburton5928]

Its an incomplete masterpiece because its built out to be a 5 hour movie the studio split into 2 parts. Its also why, i think, they made Gwen the emotional hook of the film, because it gives us a satisfying arc as they exposition dump as set up for the banger we all know the third film will be.

[@benh9935]

I agree. Gwen actually has a full arc, from wanting to be in a band but not finding the right bandmates to making her own band in the end. Her conflict with her father also gets resolved.

[@Comporio]

I would think a more practical answer would be because movies like these take so dam long to make and are extremely time consuming. So making one 4-5 hour movie across 4-5 years is more manageable than 1 movie every 2-4 years.

[@brandonburton5928]

@@Comporio the actual answer being Lord and Miller realized they had the story and that it would be too much for one film so the team worked on "both parts simultaneously".

[@OnyDeus]

They ended a blockbuster movie on a high stakes cliffhanger. It tracks so well with Spiderverse to continue doing things no one else is doing.

[@Marnie_C]

I loved the movie, but I really wish I didn't see any trailers. Sony showed nearly every story beat except for the "canon" plot point and the end twist. They showed Miles coming to the group, being rejected, being chased, and then the train escape. For the next movie I plan on not seeing any trailers, the film makers have already convinced me they know what they're doing with the first film and they've shown they can create art with the second. I just don't trust Sony with their advertisement.

[@blootube97]

This is why a lot of people including myself only watch the first trailer and that’s it, just go on with blind faith that it’ll be good or decent and if it surpasses your expectations then even better!

[@ViktoriaMagrey]

Videogames are having this same problem. This is why I no longer watch any trailers beyond the first at most. Modern trailers show far too much of the content and major story beats. I only saw what they played on theaters, and I enjoyed the film a lot more because of it.

[@Marnie_C]

@@blootube97 I've been trying to do that, it's just really hard when you go to a movie theatre to watch a different movie or you're watching the Superbowl and an ad comes up. It's really hard to avoid bad marketing when it can show up at any point

[@dishansinghmehta8891]

Bruh I stopped trailers after No way home and doctor strange 2, first trailer is fine,after that nothing , unless and until i have already seen the movie, and this movie i liked it and glad i didnt see the trailer ,did the same forFlash , not even watching reviews...I was so aloof spider punk was surprise , i was like who's hobbie...

[@cgreen9686]

Every story beat lol? What trailer were YOU watching lol.

[@Joemanji]

I thought the third act of the film was jaw dropping, edge-of-your-seat action propelled entirely by character and emotion. I think the 'why did every Spider-person go along with Miguel' question was handily answered by in the end quite a few of them joining Gwen in breaking off. We also saw Jess starting to doubt perhaps. Daniel Pemberton's score was simply incredible. Visually this truly was something else. I went back and watch the first film this week and was surprised how 'vanilla' it felt in comparison to this one.

[@sng3939]

I do prefer single Spider-Man stories compared to a multiverse type story. But this film was a masterpiece no doubt

[@jakehuang3545]

I was just genuinely surprised that we can make a movie *THIS* good again

[@Hugsloth]

Animation has come an extremely long way, to the point people are saying the movies can "tell a story with the animation alone", but the writing hasn't improved, which is what prompts people to get so immersed in the visuals instead. As an example, animating Hobie to look like a perpetual punk magazine cut out collage, while extremely impressive and cool to look at, doesn't make his dialogue better, it doesn't make his role in the film better. He's still kinda just 'there' with very little motivation given, even providing the eleventh hour key to Gwen joining the fight somehow. Everyone else is the same. Indian Spider-Man, whose name I've already forgotten, is gorgeously animated using his rings and webs in various cool ways. But his actual dialogue is not that good either. Miguel is presented with such an imposing VISUAL presence, but until the last moments of his battle with Miles it still feels like he isn't any stronger than the others, or is holding back, and his cool 'cyber webs' are hardly ever used to do anything interesting or unique to him. Visually you're just in absolute awe that people could storyboard and render such incomprehensibly complicated scenes, sometimes with like 50 Spider-Men onscreen, it's mindblowing. But the actual plot and stakes are with Spot, who basically gets his god level power up and then just peaces out inexplicably for the second half so he can be in the third film instead. The writing doesn't match the quality of the animation at all.

[@neon6x]

It honestly made so much sense that every spiderman who's included, is down for the callous mindset and regime of Miguel's spider society. I mean, it's 100% certain that Miguel would only recruit spidermen who agrees with his vision of the canon and the spiderverse. Hobie was only playing pretend in order to find a catalyst whom could bring down this totalitarian regime, and he found it in Miles, thus completing his mission of stirring anarchy and quitting from the society afterwards.

[@TheShowmanMovies]

Considering how Gwen was brought in, it doesn’t seem to be very exact. They’re “short handed” for the job. On top of that many of our favorite renditions of Spider-Man are in the background and are all apparently fine with the canon explanation. All that said this will probably get explored a lot further in the sequel.

[@FrescoyMembrillo]

political illiteracy is why everything in this movie feels forced to me /s

[@neon6x]

@@TheShowmanMovies I mean, 2099's interpretation is far from canon. I also think that Miguel didn't want Gwen in was because she had a big chance of disgreeing with the way they do things, but the Spiderlady wanted her as a mentee which Miguel has to agree to.

[@howlrichard1028]

​@@neon6x That's the point, though. If Gwen could be "brought in" even against Miguel's best interests and without much resistance, it stands to reason that this has happened before. Same with Hobie, who was clearly against Miguel's ideas and yet got recruited. One would think that there'd be at least a few other people in the spider society that don't "fit" as neatly and aren't willing to just take orders nilly-willy.

[@neon6x]

@@howlrichard1028 I mean, not everyone there knows the context of what they're doing, they were told to just stop miles lmao. And while Peter B and Gwen were also chasing him, they did so reluctantly. Same reason spiderbyte let Miles get transported at the end. Most of them are reluctantly agreeing that Miles is justified in his actions but can't do much about it, cause they want to be a part of the spidey society.

[@TheTyper]

I personally felt like the movie, despite being a continuation of Miles's story, essentially gives the main story arc over to Gwen in this one. It's about her relationship with her dad and how to reconcile who she is with him while trying to navigate this blooming friendship she wants to pursue. She goes through an entire old stability/instability/new stability by the film's end with a desire to fix the mistakes she made in her friendship with Miles while she was running away from her own problems. Miles has an arc in this movie as well, for sure, but it also feels like one that doesn't completely resolve due to his experiences with Peter B. and Gwen leading him to believe he's better off without them. And I like the movie a lot for that. It starts with Gwen and almost ends with Gwen too except for the end stinger.

[@Turtle_Pain]

absolutely agree, but I also got a strong sense of this movie making a move to tear down the split identity theme that has been tied to Spider-Man since his inception with it's focus on being honest to ones' loved ones. also: hiii Typer :)

[@Gensis]

Beyond the spider verse is gonna be insane

[@sonic-fists]

True lmao

[@benediktmathes2528]

The biggest thing why this is not a "part 1" for me, but a complete movie: This is more a Gwen movie than a Miles movie. She is the first and last person we see in the movie. We see her not wanting friends (we know that from the first one though), not working well in a team (even with the other Spider-People), having a fallout with her dad and leaving home. And over the course of the movie, she comes to terms with that, that she is just running from her problems. And in the end mends her relationship with her dad and builds her own team at the very end. I think her story was beautifully told and had a very good finish. For me this was the best Marvel movie ever and I can't wait to watch it again.

[@andrewli6606]

I just feel like we hadn't finished enough plot arcs for it to feel like a complete story. It's like Empire Strikes Back where Han and Leia had their arcs, but if the movie stopped right as Luke is about to fight Vader.

[@JustinKuanomics]

I think the best way to see it is as both its own movie and a part 1. It leaves on the cliff-hanger but for the most part the internal story arcs have concluded. In Into the Spiderverse, this was centered around Miles and Peter B, with both reaching a satisfying conclusion. In Across the Spiderverse it's once again Miles as he wrestles with life AS Spiderman but also now fleshing out Gwen's. Like you've mentioned, Gwen's wraps up and she has hit a cathartic point of reconciliation and acceptance to not just accept things the way they are. Miles, similarly, has the sense of not belonging, which starts at home, where he has no outlet to share his struggles and knowing that he may never see his true comrades/friends again; and then moreso later as he is reconciled with his friends only to find that he is an outsider, an anomaly. As Miles enters the wrong universe, he has already wrapped up his internal struggle. Miguel does not get to tell him whether he belongs, as him mom says "he belongs there". Yes, both Gwen and Miles external story hasn't quite completed yet, as now Gwen's situation is an anomaly too, but internally they have reached a place of certainty that they will fight for their dads' lives, canon or not.

[@joshuayonemura2572]

People, including myself to a certain degree, don't think it's a complete movie because the story opened another can of worms without resolving it which was Miles being stuck in Earth 42 and finding out that Miles 42 is the Prowler in that universe. It doesn't feel finished or what we should say satisfying because right as they concluded some of the conflict they brought in another major conflict right near the end that was not given a conclusion. A good example of what to do and that has been compared to Across the Spiderverse is Avengers: Infinity War because despite being a cliffhanger, the ending was conclusive. The heroes lost, the villain won, and everyone has trauma. The difference being the ending credit scenes which gave hope for the sequel. Across the Spiderverse. Neither the hero nor the villain has won as was set up by the beginning and middle parts of the movie. Just as the plot could have ended, we're inrtoduced to information and conflict that begs to be resolved and it's not which means no conclusive ending. Now one might wonder why does it matter where the cliffhanger is? Especially when it is at the end of the movie or after the credits. ANSWER: The clip is a part of the movie before the credits there is no difference between the clip information and the main plot which can create that sense of dissatisfaction for the reasons stated above. The reason the clip information when it comes to cliffhangers is because it gives the audience time to process what happened at the very and and give room to digest the the story. The clip after the credits after the mental processing is done then reinvigorates the audience back into the plot by adding a small amount of information to latch onto. That's why in part why the Marvel movies have been successful.

[@Doxsein]

I agree that it is Gwen's movie. At the start I thought so, in the middle I wasn't so sure, and at the end I was sure again. She shows her disbanding, she shares a story, then she asks "you want in?" what lies beyond this? We wait for beyond the spiderverse

[@Loophole23742]

"The biggest thing why this is not a "part 1" for me, but a complete movie: This is more a Gwen movie than a Miles movie. She is the first and last person we see in the movie. We see her not wanting friends (we know that from the first one though), not working well in a team (even with the other Spider-People), having a fallout with her dad and leaving home. And over the course of the movie, she comes to terms with that, that she is just running from her problems. And in the end mends her relationship with her dad and builds her own team at the very end.I think her story was beautifully told and had a very good finish. For me this was the best Marvel movie ever and I can't wait to watch it again."-@benediktmathes2528 “Best marvel movie ever!” Arrrh! Think it's so cute when people have new toy syndrome. "Best ever"? until the new toy comes out. This movie wasn't better than Infinity War, wasn't better than end game. Wasn't better than The first Blade movie.Wasn't even the best Spiderman movie. Sam Raimi's Spiderman 2 still has the crown.-me

[@cadendicky1855]

To be honest, there's no such thing as having something be absolutely flawless.

[@kpenis17]

idk man jesus was perfect

[@Pileven]

Let’s say flawless is 100. There certainly are movies in the 90s range.

[@Jay-cp1cx]

​@@kpenis17 stfu we talking about movies and shiz dam

[@ScofieldStudios]

The Godfather.

[@phoenixfunny4517]

​@@ScofieldStudios the godfather was flawed, that's why Francis Ford Coppola did a reboot of it

[@NerdMiGerd]

I feel like, to me, the spider people of this squad turning on Miles made sense given how Miguel was running things. They're not a fully accurate portrayal of every spider-man in existence. They're a tightly-knit squad of spider people specifically curated to be a part of Miguel's bigger plans. And I think that, in turn, a lot of them were willing to sacrifice some of their own core beliefs to better fit the vision Miguel has for the future or the spidermen.I think a lot of them have enough faith and goodwill towards Miguel to believe he has their collective better interest in mind. He's literally telling them if Mile's dad doesn't die it could tear out the fabric of their own reality. For classic Spiderman while that's a harrowing conundrum they see it as a bitter pill to swallow for the sake of protecting mankind at large. I've got a strong feeling that, if Miles were to find another way around the "canon" in BTSV, all the Spidermen we saw here will be immediately behind him.

[@NerdMiGerd]

Spectacular Spiderman's exact line, I feel, can coincide with the tough lessons he learned throughout his show. We've seen right in the pilot episode a theme of him sacrificing things important and dear to him (i.e. disposing of the one thing that could undo his spider powers), and what he says specifically seems to really match that. He's not all that harsh to Miles about it, and is clearly quite sympathetic, but from what he's been told by Miguel he understands that there are larger things at stake. That's why he essentially says "I feel for you Miles, I really really do. But this is just part of our job."

[@butitsgoogleimages8303]

[SPOILER] there's also the simple fact that they planned an intervention anticipating miles would react the way he did, so presumably they all had time to discuss the complicated reality of having to maintain the canon

[@NerdMiGerd]

@@butitsgoogleimages8303 Oh absolutely yeah. I kinda compare it to the Citadel of Ricks in a weird way. In that while on his own he may act more independent and self-actualized the moment he surrenders himself to a collection of other hims he unknowingly becomes a cog in a larger system. Same thing would happen with Spiderman I feel.

[@dope8878]

If Jeff doesn’t die I really don’t know what the movie is trying to say about grief or about trauma. Miles knows of an event that is supposed to happen to him regardless of him knowing and he wants to fix it. He wants to have his cake and eat it too, and that’s impossible. I think he’s gotta learn the hard way, Miguel is right about this.

[@skyer0blue]

We also need to talk abotu how amazing the soundtrack of this movie is. I can't remember that last time I enjoyed every song this much, and felt the impact of music so much in a film. I love this movie 10/10

[@MrMadOfficial]

As great as Across the Spider-Verse is, it’s a very dense movie with a lot happening, and I think I like Into the Spider-Verse just SLIGHTLY more. Also, The Spot was such a great villain!

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

Yeah but still across the spider-verse is incredible.

[@LuisSierra42]

Same

[@NoelAKABigNolo]

There is a lot going on, but never felt like too much. The movie slowed down when it needed too and still kept me engaged. It has perfect pacing

[@kyleb7974]

Honestly I was never overwhelmed by how much they introduced. Even Puss in Boots that had incredible pacing I sometimes was lost and needed someone in theatre to remind me of what was happening. Across the Spiderverse never lost me.

[@DisasterArtist1997]

Into the Spiderverse is simpler and an all around Movie Across the Spiderverse is full of stuff but it's more ambicous at the same time

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

If Miguel had saw the first Spider-verse movie, then he would understand why Miles is Spider-Man.

[@santiagomonteromendez1371]

He saw it(?) it’s literally the post credits… his gripe with Miles has nothing to do with Miles as a character, it has to do with the circumstances he became Spider-Man… just like the racists irl he criticizes Miles for something out of his control

[@Cris00900340]

he did watch the first spiderverse movie

[@honestabe7373]

@@santiagomonteromendez1371 What’s racist about that?

[@LuisSierra42]

@@honestabe7373 What's racist is that miles is black /s

[@galientl4723]

@@honestabe7373because they say he isn’t/shouldn’t be Spider-Man?

[@BeeWhistler]

I loved the cliffhanger. I was actually feeling exhausted by the endlessly rising tension (which makes sense now), and then to hear the whole theater groaning and yelling, “WHAT?” was way more entertaining than I could have anticipated. I actually threw my arms in the air, yelled, “CHAOS!” and laughed. Which probably weirded out the ten-year-old kid sitting next to me… sorry, kid, wherever you are.

[@Doxsein]

Hahaha awesome

[@1111Lusor]

I like that Peter B didn't have a one more day moment and gets to have a family. Really like the spider-dad plotline when well executed in comics. Also the reason I was happy to catch glimpses of the spiderfamily from renew your vows in multiple scenes. Poor peter deserves some happines.

[@Polkavona]

With all the spider people i doubt they all knew WHY they were chasing miles. The man running the show is just frantically yelling to get him so theyre probably just like "oh shit on it!"

[@mightyradish9672]

Well your points about the spider people working as a team and fighting to ensure his dads death can be pretty easily handwaived considering their mass incompetence in capturing miles. None except Miguel seemed extremely interested in giving their all and they suck at teamwork, allowing his escape every time. The hacker girl even let him escape because she couldn't pull that trigger.

[@franciscobaltazarlabranago6248]

Yep, I think that's the case too, like, Peni Parker was literally in the same room as Miles when he escaped and she's got a big ass Mecha but we don't even see her during the entire chase sequence, clearly not every Spider Man was that enthusiastic about chasing Miles

[@rowdful]

I'm pretty sure part of why Miles was so successful in escaping is because every spiderman was holding back; no one was going full out, other than Miguel

[@jesuschild07able]

Yeah you could tell with Peter B. and Gwen that they were holding way back. And some didn’t even help.

[@andrewli6606]

@@jesuschild07able Yeah Peter just snatched Miles to talk to him when he easily could have caught him.

[@djangofett3266]

I see Across as kinda being like one big first act with the moments after the big chase being the beginning of the second act; it setting everything up for the incredible second and third acts that will be Beyond.

[@mind-of-neo]

I just saw this movie having heard nothing about it and having not seen the first film (didnt even see that trailer with 44 million views lol) and i was absolutely blown away. I have never seen a movie with such vibrant, varied, stylized animation. I have never seen a movie that was able to tell a story so tightly and without a SECOND of boredom for over two hours. And I struggle to make it through any movie because of adhd.

[@calebstanton6986]

The core of Spider-man is that he saves the people he saves, because deep down he knows that every person in New York is the uncle Ben of someone's life. Spider-man never celebrated Uncle Ben's death as a necessary character building experience, he mourned it as a mistake he would never make again. To have a swarm of Spider-soldiers motivated by the thought that Uncle Ben of Captain Stacy need to die seems like a strange direction to take the character who's fundamentally driven by guilt.

[@melisah5947]

Beautifully said

[@ride-playerbb2818]

I think it makes sense considering what is supposedly at stake. You're right in that Ben's death motivated Peter to make sure this doesn't happen to everyone else. But he can't save everyone and sometimes, he's gonna have to sacrifice the things personal to him so that everyone else can be safe. The greatest examples of this in recent times is Insomniac Spider-Man (who's a member of the society) choosing to give up Aunt May to ensure the others survive, and MCU Spider-Man sacrificing his personal life to make sure the multiverse remains intact. Miguel himself tried to live the life of a dead alternate counterpart, and everyone in that universe died as a result. The Spider-Men of the society are given an ultimatum: save the people that they failed to save before at the cost of the multiverse collapsing, or let these moments play out and keep the multiverse safe. It's a difficult decision, but Spider-Man always choose the difficult choice. Right? Of course, it doesn't mean it's right, and that all Spiders would agree with this. I imagine Peter Parker of Edge of Time would have some words with the Society. And I used MCU Peter as an example earlier, but all of that happened because he tried to change the villains' fates, and well, Miguel isn't exactly keen on inviting him

[@cynoflads]

Rule of thumb the Bagel will always hit the spot

[@Mowgli715]

This 👏

[@ilznidiotic]

underrated comment

[@terranncegilmore]

Miles wants to "have his cake and eat it too", be Spider-Man and save his Captain. He literally brings two cakes to the party. $100 says evil Miles isnt Evil. He was meant to be bitten, so he must be good. He and Aaron are working against the Sinister Six Cartel. When all is said and done E-42 wont be left without its hero...

[@benh9935]

I like that interpretation, but there's no doubt that Earth 42 Miles and Uncle Aaron are still "villains".

[@iMasterchris]

I actually think Miles of Earth 42 was meant to be a villain to a Peter Parker that was bitten, not a Spider-Man in his own right. But I dunno either could be interesting!

[@terranncegilmore]

@@benh9935 "No doubt" why? We have literally no idea what they are up to. And if the Sinister Six Cartel is running the city, they can very easily be doing "good" by doing " bad"

[@terranncegilmore]

@@iMasterchris I guess my thoughts is, Miles is Miles across all universes. The things that make him heroic transcend universes. If every Peter is good, so should every Miles. One key difference is, Miles will breathe rules to do what is right. Even E-42 Miles.

[@benh9935]

@@terranncegilmore "No doubt" might be a little strong, but the context clues kind of point to that (which in fairness could be a misdirect). The large wad of cash Aaron hands Rio to help pay the bills for example. As for your other point, Miles or Peter being good in every universe isn't established. Even if the core of the character is the same, different sets of circumstances/decisions can play a huge role in the character. Like in Gwen's world, Peter becoming the Lizard. I do agree with your overall point that Earth 42 Miles will end up being a hero, I'm just not sure he starts off as one.

[@zrksyd]

I'm hoping Beyond doesn't forget the fact that Mumbattan is in danger because it kinda feels like the third act forgets about that.

[@HowdyItLovll]

Maybe a hot take, but I REALLY could not get behind the fact that of all the spiderpeople, only Miles was willing to test the canon breaking theory after Miguel

[@jimmyboy7817]

Did you see it turn from yellow to pink as he was drinking it?

[@rosanora]

i imagine some *have* tried, but they ended up failing

[@saddpaanda]

​@@jimmyboy7817 wdym?

[@Eidlones]

Pretty sure it's a "somewhat" frequent thing, canon events not happening. Or at least, often enough. When it happened in Mumbattan, the team showed up pretty quick to contain it, and Miguel say something along the lines of "If we're lucky, we can stop it. Sometimes we aren't lucky" So at the very least it's something that does happen, and any Spider that's been there long enough has seen the results of not letting a canon event play through.

[@mattsmith1039]

doesn't Miguel recruit them after the canon event happens (their lowest point)?

[@claytonrios1]

Even Spectacular and Insomniac Spider Man made it in!

[@Solooshin]

I don’t think Miguel told every spiderman about Miles situation only the higher ups and Gwen. Spider punk also knew which means he’s probably one of the best also. The others were simply responding to a call to capture Miles, they didn’t know why

[@cis4659]

I like that miguel being stoic is his version of being funny as spider man. He's so stoic in everything, it's funny.

[@sivletalk2003]

My take on there being Spider-People who would help Miles instead of falling into line for Miguel is that they did exist, and they also tried to break the mould. Only that ended up in their dimensions being destroyed - and maybe they themselves were destroyed also.

[@braedenwalker6414]

If i hear “flawed” masterpiece one more time like just say its good😭

[@zk2741]

Flawed doesn't mean bad. There ain't no such thing as perfect, no form of art is, because they are all perfectly flawed in their own ways.

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

Across the Spider-Verse is my favourite of the year. The animation, story, and the music were amazing. I also love how surprised people were about the cliff hanger, people really forgot that the movie was originally called "Across the Spider-Verse Part One" and the sequel was just called "Across the Spider-Verse Part Two" instead of "Beyond the Spider-Verse".

[@CrazedOutFool]

I avoided every trailer and everything because I wanted to avoid spoilers. So that cliffhanger came as a surprise to me. I'm sure many more people are either like me or don't follow the news because they saw "Spiderverse was fun, let's see the next one in cinema even though I know nothing about it"

[@Palepetal]

I don't think all those other spiderpeople knew Miles was going to save his father, Miguel just told them all to stop Miles. They just obeyed him without question.

[@jimmyboy7817]

Did you see it turn from pink to yellow as he was drinking it?

[@torva360]

The first two volumes of Spider-Gwen were the only times I teared up reading comics. Rodriguez's art was a large part of that, and seeing Gwen's universe on the big screen adapting that cover art was amazing. Immediately made the movie for me.

[@yslzack]

one of the most underrated parts of the movie for me is the soundtrack. ATSV has my favorite Movie Soundtrack Ever. after watching the movie all the tracks makes me feel every single emotion possible man. when the movie starts in gwen’s world and Self Love (my favorite of the OST) is playing while learning more about gwen’s origin was a perfect choice. That song set the tone for the rest of the film. The rest of the songs on this soundtrack add so much emotion to the scene it’s used in. Hummingbird made me want to tear up seeing miles let the music take him to another dimension. (literally) More songs like Link Up and Ansiedades during the morales party are also great. I think my favorite song/scene combo is definitely the use of Another Dimension when miles and gwen are sitting upside down, talking, reminiscing, and just having a moment between the two of them away from all the chaos for once. it definitely made me wanna tear up a bit. Huge credit to Metro Boomin for making this incredible OST.

[@k.-flynn]

How could you not mention Daniel Pemberton's tracks? The motifs bouncing around are amazing! There's a song that blends Miles' hip-hop, Gwen's drums, Pavitr's theme, Hobie's guitar, and the Spot's eerie collider theme. There's synthwave galore. There's a distinct sense of horror in the film that wouldn't carry without Pemberton's tones in the background.

[@Boncomics]

1:07 I'm (or was) an animator & must say, GWEN had the best bodily expressions and gestures in this film. She really had emphasis, when she spoke to MIGUEL 2099 and just as she was web-slinging through the air. She really showed how "animators are actors".

[@Ivanmaradonaaa]

I'd wish any of the live actions of Spider-Man were half as good as this movie

[@rowanl3059]

The way I saw it is that Miguel choose spider people based on his ability to manipulate them/how much they believe in the greater good

[@hadeefirdaus1154]

I would assume that most spidermen in the spider society would take Miguel’s words as law on 2 things. The first being most of their Canon Events already happened thus nobody has the need to change anything. The second is that as they are older in a way, more experienced, they would connect with Miguel’s story and theory of the universe crumbling when trying to fix things. They are more logical and less impulsive and won’t do something that they would regret later on. It’s not that they don’t want to save these people but they saw first hand that saving everybody ultimately kills everybody like we see in Mumbattan. I believe they have a task force for stopping the destruction of a universe because these happened quite a few times. Thus showing that they tried to defy the law that was created for them but each time doomed to failed. With regards to the newer spidermen in the society takes it all wholeheartedly as they are the juniors and imagine 90% of people say that this is the way, the newer ones would also assume so and follow it blindly (albeit its neither bad or good in actuality). Only Miles being the anomaly that he is, defies everybody. In a sense, as he wasn’t supposed to be Spider-Man (allegedly), he would have a different personality altogether and believe in different things entirely. Therefore, the part of the Spider Society makes sense to me. idk, thats just me

[@theskinnyindiankid]

I loved how Rio Morales were worried about how other people won’t care about him the way his parents do and that is pretty much what happens.

[@Devil-Made]

Really dig your videos. Love the brand too. Haven’t seen Across the Spiderverse yet. I just saw this video had only 1 view so I wanted to jump on board and show support.

[@SouLuva]

I like how at the end of the movie all of the Spider-People all looked at the camera and said, "Maybe the REAL Spider-Verse were the friends we made along the way"...and then they all winked... Smash cut to "To Be Continued"

[@terranncegilmore]

The only flaw is that it is not 3/29/24. This movie is immaculate

[@rennijo]

This movie had me in tears from start to finish. In a good way, but yeesh. Also : Spot and Miguel having the same but opposite motives and end goals? Chef's kiss. I love a good foil.

[@KamiAnimeS1]

Avi Arad, convinced Phil Lord and Christopher Miller. To add The spot as the main villain. Because he wasn’t the original villain. But even so the spot was an amazing villain. I loved him.

[@notthatserious480]

7:47 i mean he’s working with himself, different than working with others 🤷‍♂️And your take on how spider ppl blindly follow Miguel’s orders. 1) if your manager suddenly screams at h to stop the new guilty-looking-guy from running, ur gonna try to stop the new guy from running 2) all these Spider-Man had to go through with their canon events. It’s a right if passage that they all went through.

[@rnickens1999]

I do not think every Spider-Man in the Citadel was given the full break down of Miguel's plan to let Miles Father die. It's the pain of the near betrayal of Gwen and his core friends thar made it meaningful.🕸️🕷️

[@AntoineBandele]

Welcome to the channel, folks. Where the Captain complains about his audio when no one notices 😅

[@hollykm]

I think a great way to address your concerns would be to reveal in Beyond that the Spider People didn't really know what exactly was going on. I know some of them do, but maybe for the most part Miguel kept the rest in the dark and only told them they were protecting the spiderverse, and since he is _A_ spiderman, that was enough for them.

[@basedpayne]

I think a good point someone brought up was that Miguel chose all the spider people that had already faced their tragedies minus our Indian spider and would be accepting of allowing others to die for a greater good

[@jarredalsjf]

splitting the movie in 2 half’s ruins this movie a lot. it doesn’t feel like a movie. it feels like a hour long first act and a unfinished second act. i get the hype but this isn’t a movie

[@VishtheFish101]

I think Peter B Parker not immediately trying to help Miles was out of character for basically the OG Peter Parker. I think the pacing of the movie was insane, it was just at 100 after they went to Mumbaittan. Needed to slow down and have some more character moments. Still great.

[@LetsTalkAboutLifeForABit]

Finally someone who isn’t just saying this movie is perfect lol. I thought the movie was dragged out at the end having no resolution really sucked while in the theaters. I wish they just made a 3 hour movie instead. Edit: I didn’t know it was only a part 1 and I feel like a lot of people did not as the average movie goer, so me being able to tell the movie was gearing down I didn’t really like. I wish they would have had a more unexpected ending where I would have been more surprised it was over at least.

[@atdesk9394]

Totally agree it would be sick to see Miles go up against his city's villains without the multiverse stuff. Like after watching the first one again, just a more grounded story with this amazing animation would be great cinema.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Miles created a villain by throwing a bagel. 🥯

[@jinpei05]

Sony is two-thirds of the way to the greatest trilogy in superhero/ Spider-Man/cinematic history. The wait til March 2024 is already excruciating

[@Mothlord03]

Gonna have to put myself in cryosleep till then

[@SuspiciousPigman]

Spot as a villain: I am an omnidimensional being and I will make you suffer. Spots origin: You hit me with bagel... Now me angy!!

[@milesmorales1616]

I loved this movie 🍿

[@Carl-iq4zq]

The most beautiful movie I’ve ever seen

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Some people say that Miles Morales is the Marvel version of Static Shock.

[@kingkong9892]

Yea I mean other than powers they’re different personality wise. Like miles is a lot more passive then static

[@MikulOnIce85]

One thing that I noticed in my viewing was how the tone was changed with the reunion between miles and gwen. At the end of into the spiderverse Miles is in a very chill state of mind when Gwen says hello. For across the spiderverse, the moods for both characters was changed for the story beats.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Fun fact: Spider-Gwen in this movie was voiced by Kate Bishop from Hawkeye.

[@LLP.2007]

Fr?

[@admiralweb27]

Same as the first. Phastos from Eternals is Miles father, Mahershala Ali will be playing Blade and he plays Aaron Davis, Oscar Isaac is 2099 and Moon Knight.

[@juliomaravilla8736]

Thank you!! Idk why so many people were so upset about the cliffhanger when that's the one thing I expected out of this movie. Besides it quite literally reminded me of how a lot of comic issues I've read leave you on a cliffhanger, making sure you stay tuned for the next one to come. Some stories can't be told in one go and it's very different from studios trying to build a franchise and setting up sequels, because unlike those movies this definitively feels purposeful.

[@alkirehomevideos]

Spider man from other properties I view purely as Easter eggs and not as actual representations of those characters. I did, however, have an issue with Peter B Parker being so OK with allowing Miles father to die. That felt much more like a betrayal of a character to me. As for the movie being a part 1, you can make a movie feel like a 2 part story while still having a climax occur in part 1 (thinking of empire strikes back ending on a cliffhanger but still having a battle between Luke and Vader) and it just felt like Across the Spiderverse was missing that, like it just ended without a third act. I needed a little more closure than it gave.

[@KovoN]

Just going off on the "Without Uncle Ben, most of us wouldn't even be here." quote, and coupled with the tragic backstory of Miguel's universe ending moment, I think Miguel might have guilt tripped PeterB to an extent. He does switch sides at the end, so I think he was having second thoughts throughout the course of the movie. The same way Gwen realized she was on the wrong side when she saw how upset Miles was that they both knew what was going on and "talked about it." Probably a lot more Spider-Men will be reflected in this switch-sides in the next movie. I bet most of them were guilt tripped too. Like most of the theories in this comment section, they were probably recruited after the canon events have occured, and are at their lowest points when joining.

[@gota7738]

Yeah, it's like when the on screen Spider-people turn up in the comics Spider-verse. I don't think Insomniac's Peter is going to bring up his adventure with the Inheritors at any point. I will say I do feel a bit bad for Greg Weisman. It sounds like he was a bit put off by not being informed until Spec Spider-man was on the poster, and while I think he's too professional to kick up a fuss as it is the nature of not owning the IP, he's been quite quiet about the film since coming out. At the very least on the off chance he'd ever get a chance to continue Spectacular, you know he'd face an onslaught of questions treating George's death and Peter's choices in this film as canon to Spectacular.

[@umjackd]

Lots of people are getting upset about the cliffhanger sequel hook but it's basically The Empire Strikes Back. And I suspect we'll get a better movie than Return of the Jedi.

[@Tbizzle1343]

The greatness in this flick overshadows any flaws. After so much trash movies flung our way, this is a breath of fresh air! You can see a lot of work and thought went into this.They did their thing with this project.

[@that1tango468]

i think the reason miles got away in the first place is because spider-man can’t really work well in teams. they were all essentially getting in each others way when they were bunched up trying to get one small and sly target

[@BibberzOL]

With all the spidermans going against Miles, I'm not sure it's that simple. I think that Spiderman 2099 and his closest team knew the few details on why Miles was trying to escape but the majority didn't and just went to stop Miles as they were ordered to/thought Miles was doing damage to the timelines That's why so many joined Gwens team once they realised Miles could be right when they knew more information

[@repoman182]

My kid said miles' mom reminds her of her mom. And when he said bendición mami.. and she said dios te bendiga.. we both cried.. and felt so seen... one moment that got me to jump out of my seat and yell at the screen "thank you!' is when miles mom says you know that Puerto Rico is a part of the United States right? And I think every rican in the theater said AMÉN

[@gurleen7041]

as much as i liked the art and sound of the movie i felt like i was constantly on the edge of my seat waiting for an end or conclusion and it was so disappointing when there wasn’t one 😭 it just feels like a second movie… the first felt like it was a complete movie and it was disappointing that this didn’t fully feel the same. it definitely just felt like a movie made simply to buildup to the third and one that can’t exist without it

[@gabisuciu6785]

I mean the directors made it pretty clear before the release that it's a 2 parter. Gotta go in with that mindset.

[@gurleen7041]

@@gabisuciu6785 they really didn’t… i didn’t go in knowing anything that the directors said, unless a movie is clearly listed as a two partner you’re not gonna expect it to be. if the title was “across the spiderverse part 1” it would’ve made a lot more sense.

[@honeynutcheerios8830]

@@gurleen7041 in the first look trailier they called it part 1 lol

[@gurleen7041]

@@honeynutcheerios8830 i didn’t see the trailers bruh 😭 y’all gotta remember the general public aren’t at fault for not naming a movie correctly i said what i said. if it’s a pt 1 then name it pt 1. i’m not tryna dig through trailers to figure out what kinda movie it’s gonna be

[@jennifervalentine8955]

lol people are working hard to excuse extremely poor writing. It's an incomplete movie. Even Kill Bill had a natural resting place to end the first movie. This one didn't. The more I think on it, the less I like the movie. It Game of Thronesed itself.

[@minerman60101]

I can see the spider society fracturing in the third movie, with more people questioning Miguel's "canon"

[@greenricky4782]

I loved the Spectacular Spider-Man inclusion and even a voice line 😢 brought a tear to my eye

[@idanlewenhoff2295]

I just have to say regardless of what the captain has to say, that I just thank everyone who contributed to this movie, It did everything so fricking good. its really hard to sum up in words the amount of stuff this movie did. It really is a love letter to the comics, and an awesome introduction to Miles. 10/10 for me, A trilogy that I know in the future I will watch over and over again.

[@JayFingers]

I hear your argument about the myriad Spider-People just being Miguel’s foot soldiers instead of at least trying to help Miles. But here’s the thing: Do most of them even know what the conflict between Miles and Miguel is? All they know is that they’re supposed to “stop him.” Sure, Gwen, Peter B., Peni, etc., were in the room when Miguel explained everything. But the VAST majority of Spider-People weren’t. I think if they knew, a good number of them would actually side with Miles.

[@johnjamesedwards3349]

I’m glad that Sony Animation took their time with the development with Across the Spider-Verse, this is why it worked so well. I think Beyond the Spider-Verse will be beyond marvelous.

[@foggy9624]

Imo the fact that Miles is an 'anomaly' perfectly counteracts my biggest problem with MCU multiverse films: the story has and always will be written. It really cheapened events like infinity war and endgame for me when it became that those events where just 'meant to happen'. The whole 'I'm going to write my own story' thing is actually a perfect antidote to one of the main issues with multiverse films

[@eoghan00]

Is that true for the MCU though? I think the whole sacred timeline thing ensures certain things don’t happen, but doesn’t specifically make anything happen, which is why Loki can be a crocodile, so long as he doesn’t do anything to play into Kang conquering the multiverse.

[@foggy9624]

@Eoghan yeah I think so, I can't remember the exact line but in one of the first episodes of Loki, Loki tries to say "the Avengers time travelled to defeat Thanos, go after them", and the reply from Ravonna is just "the Avengers were meant to do that" or something

[@eoghan00]

@@foggy9624 yeah but the sacred timeline is her religion, she thinks it’s all meant to happen a certain way, when in reality it’s not some all knowing beings crafting a very intentional timeline, it’s just one dude trying to stop one event from happening. He doesn’t actually care if the Avengers beat Thanos so long as it doesn’t cause Kang to invade the multiverse.

[@keepperspective]

Also, the score in the fight scenes are a stunning maturation of the ideas from the first movie - here, the fights are clear and dynamic through space, taking full advantage of the characters abilities, but also expressing their personalities - Miguel’s animalistic movements. And the SCORE and soundtrack take off and slide in this film - the end of the movie where every part of the score is fighting itself with different motifs crashing into each other is genius. And the emotional depth steps up - I enjoyed spider verse one, but across the spider verse is such a deepening of the concepts. I am putting it in my empire, strikes back tear of actually, good to better than the original movie sequels.

[@garrettcarter5622]

I think people overlook how dodgy Gwen’s explanation of why she was in the plot before the reactor went off was in the first film. That always bothered me.

[@franciscoungerlopez7360]

The reactor made them arrive at different times, some before some after the reactor

[@garrettcarter5622]

@@franciscoungerlopez7360 She is the ONLY one that happened to for plot reasons.

[@andrewlol9095]

The spider society chase could’ve been over before it started if Miles just turned invisible.

[@jeff3221]

A flawed masterpiece just describes every masterpiece in existence

[@gambit5667]

To be fair the different spider-men were specifically chosen by Miguel so naturally they all probably would agree even in the smaller parts, and only some of them like hobie would even think otherwise, and miguel only acts like this after the credit scene from the first, where he acted normal

[@frankorefice4115]

The issue with multiverse stories is that there should be an infinite number of versions of a person, with some small or large variation. We only ever see mostly Peter variations in this movie but there should be a bunch of Miguels, Gwens, and even Miles who have gone through the same experiences but we don't see that. It could be that they don't want the movie to get too complicated. But I'd imagine the other Miles variants would side would our Miles if they were actually shown in the movie.

[@conlanvanhook2452]

I think the reason theres no other miles as spiderman around is to drive home the point of being an “anomaly”

[@plutoburn]

It just feels like they really leaned into the idea that this is not just 3D animation, but traced its roots back to the comic books. Creating a comic book aesthetics while having very smooth fluid animation.

[@Lvestfold4143]

It is important to note that the chase scene is not a reflection of blind loyalty to Miguel O'Hara. Many of the Spider-people are attempting to detain Miles because they feel he is being rash, but there were those questioning Miguel's stance and tactics. Most were of the mind that once Miles was detained he or Miquel could be reasoned with, rather than have a fight. If you notice most of this was playful and no one was out to harm Miles. And a handful did defect afterwards. The scene is more nuanced than "cogs in a machine."

[@thebuccaneersden]

I'm just amazed that Sony Pictures Animation, who haven't really made a whole ton of CGI films compared to their competition, were able to pull off such a stunning film (and the one before it, of course, but this one was just a work of art).