Spider-Man Has Changed

[@Laxhoop]

The thing that finally made it click for me that the modern writers for Spider-Man just seem to genuinely hate him, is when I saw the comic where Peter legitimately prays for God to just not make his life so terrible, and then I saw the comic where Miles got bullied, so Iron Man went to go break the dude’s spine, because “everyone likes Miles”. It gets harder and harder to believe that the people in charge of the Spider-Man IP aren’t trying to explicitly step on the toes of the legacy that allows them to even have a job. Like, I feel like there would be basically zero issues if Miles had a different Superhero name, and operated in a different city. Like, no one had an issue with him when he was explicitly from a parallel world, and thus, would always have to part ways if he and Peter ever crossed paths, so they could both remain separate, and not ruin the solo act of being Spider-Man, but they just couldn’t help themselves, and not only made Miles and mainstay, but have explicitly set him up as the person that is GOING to take over as the solo Spider-Man. Like, people will always tell me that I have no reason to complain about this, because this type of thing happens in comics all the time, like with how there are multiple Flash’s, multiple Robins, and multiple Green Lanterns, to which I always respond “Yeah, and that’s why literally none of those characters you just listed have ever been popular enough to have a successful solo film, while Spider-Man/Peter Parker is one of the most universally recognized fictional characters in human history.”

[@BarronBros1822]

White guy with the weight of the world on his shoulders. Umm yes they LITERALY do hate the character peter parker. They blame him for systemic this or that while he holds together the world they stand in up.

[@Groggle7141]

Whenever somebody brings up the whole "multiple Flash/Green Lanterns/Robins" rebuttal, I always just tell them that Spider-Man is tied to Peter Parker; where those other superhero titles are just mantles. So, having multiple Spider-Men simultaneously in the same universe feels weird. Same goes for having multiple Batmen

[@whateverwhatever4476]

Have you ever read a Miles comic cause I doubt you have or even read the run? Since your taking that entire scene out of context

[@knuxuki1013]

When you think DC, you think Batman and Superman, if you think of Flash, it's always barry or the other one. Anyone else is not much Marvel, you think Spiderman, he's recognizable, of course miles is to xwnd all because he's black

[@R_Karri]

Can't help but notice those examples are all DC. It would matter if there were multiple batmen, supermen but yet there aren't.

[@Joshu-y1k]

Spider-Man is one of the greatest characters ever created in fiction. No matter how much comic writers treat him dirty, no matter how much other medias try to change his character (MCU for example), they will never erase the Legacy of Spider-Man.

[@timewarpdrive77]

I agree; there's a reason MCU spiderman has always been called Iron-boy Jr.

[@mateoreyes6921]

MCU Spiderman was pretty much a white Miles Morales from the comics

[@randomcharacter6501]

Much like Black Panther, Holland's Spiderman was only cool in Civil War

[@IAmMightyMike]

Except he hasn't.

[@timewarpdrive77]

@@randomcharacter6501 BP was pretty cool in Infinity War

[@plsdontbeahero]

Glad people are starting to see that the MCU didn’t have a good take on Spider-Man

[@ArcTrooper269]

AS SOMEONE WHO REALLY LIKES MILES & THE SPIDER-VERSE MOVIES, I have to actually agree with you, The whole spider-verse concept kinda ruins the point of Spidey being a Street Level Hero +I kinda hate how the Spider-Verse fanboys say Those movies created that animation style, when that style has existed way before those movies wete even a thing, Heck, they only have that Style because Tron Uprising's creator, Alberto Mielgo, wanted to use that ALREADY EXISTING style in a Super Hero Project

[@chuck_muckle]

why so many caps brother

[@daryltor7608]

Yeah, the movies didn’t created a style but I would say it popularized it.

[@theguy8594]

Ykw, I’m glad that despite your personal opinions, you’re able to look at contradictory perspectives to your own and show a little critical thinking. Respect 🫡😎

[@shawklan27]

Preach makes him feel more larger than life. Turns his own self into a CONCEPT more like

[@diemes5463]

Not only did they not create the style, they literally fired Mielgo, took his previous work on the film and based the entire look of the movie on it. They only kept a few frames of his work in the first film. I like entertainment as much as the next guy, but that really irks me and has diminished my enjoyment of the series.

[@nont18411]

I think the superhero that got the worst case of “updating to fit the new era” is Superman. I mean, just look at how many of those “Evil Superman” these days compared to the actual good Superman. The media has become too cynical to the point that now they consider Lex Luthor to be right, which is against the point of Superman.

[@ArcTrooper269]

My Adventures With Superman & Superman and Lois having the Highest numbers on streaming: YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE😠

[@bowserbreaker2515]

The same thing with Captain America. In the movies, he's portrayed as a guy who constantly has to question his morals and ways. He even ended up quitting being a hero to live with his dead girlfriend. That isn't Captain America. That's why I like Cap in Avengers EMH. He never backs down, always followed his beliefs, and was a symbol of hope and spirit. Just like what Superman used to be. I hate when they try to change Cap, Superman, and Spider-Man. Those old stories are timeless.

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@bowserbreaker2515 Based Words, my friend

[@jbktpl1245]

​@@ArcTrooper269Those two shows are a breath of fresh air when it comes to Superman adaptations

[@j4hsan]

Blame Snyder and the Injustice writers

[@danieldishon688]

The problem with Ben Riely wasn't that it's wrong for Peter to pawn off his responsibilities as Spider-Man to someone else. In fact, Peter leaving to be a full time dad was a "great responsibility" arc, and one that worked well for the character as the MC2s premise. Rielys problem (and this applies to Miles to honestly) is he just wasn't Peter Parker. Not really. Not even if you try and sell your audience on the idea Peter was the Clone all along. It doesn't matter. Peter is the one we've been reading the continuous canon of for 30+ years. Peter's the one who got married, who rustled with the symbiote, who held the Captain Universe powers, who dated Black Cat, who visited a terminally I'll kid in the hospital, who stopped Juggernaut in cement all by himself because he had to, who begrudgingly accepted Kingpin taking power again alongside Daredevil because of the way the gang wars panned out. Try and swap to another completely new character with totally unrelated supporting cast from the world building were invested in and it causes a huge disconnect for the reader. And trying to present this new Spider-Man as the "real" one was just a insult on top of the injury and trying to get rid of Peter Parker and retire him, making current day readers from the 90s resent Riely at the time. Today we look back and realize he was a great character and maybe we lost a lot of good potential from him.

[@bowserbreaker2515]

The real Peter Parker is the guy who was about to be crushed while drowning, but pushed through because he knew he had to. Now, he is the opposite of that. Nowadays, he'd probably give up after this.

[@danieldishon688]

@@bowserbreaker2515 now that moment actually would be canon for Ben Riely if he were not the Clone from the beginning. Or even if he is a clone, he would remember lifting that rubble and water off his back, as it predates Peter even meeting Gwen, much less Professor Warren

[@thered_hood7451]

I like that Ben actually made a name for himself instead of insisting they both become Spider-Man. From that point he had his own stories which are far more insteresting than a re color of Peter's stories

[@allenkeettikkal3149]

Have you ever planned to talk about what is happening to Spiderman in the current comics? It's pretty depressing how he's treated there.

[@stempest7218]

He was once my favourite character and he kinda is but the way he is treated has almost made me give up on him. Honestly have up in him after Dan slotts run and hoped it would get better but whenever check in on it, it's just worse then before I'm sick of him jobbing to every single villain and having an arc where is tortured and killed and brought back to live to be killed again and again for a supposed sin he committed to no pay off. Also of course dangling Mary Jane and Peter getting back together again just to cuck Peter one more time.

[@sandwich3770]

At least the new Ultimate Spider-Man is great

[@daryltor7608]

Ultimate Spider-Man is going pretty great so far.

[@shawklan27]

It's essentially just peter parker misery porn and I hate that's in so many spiderman media nowadays. Like yet the dude win in life for once!

[@marktheshark7588]

They literally made him a cuck smh.

[@Justin374]

Couldnt agree more. The original Stan Lee Spider-Man run is my personal favorite iteration of the chatater. Still holds up today.

[@ArcTrooper269]

My favorite is the J.D. Matteis one

[@bowserbreaker2515]

It's my favorite as well. He nailed his personality immediately. Even from the first few issues, Spider-Man was already very good. You really understood the struggles of Peter Parker and his persistence.

[@johnrockyryan]

That's why people adore the Raimi movies they are litteraly Stan and Steve's stories brought to the big screen cheesiness and all, that's why they are still the greatest Spider-Man movies of all time

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@johnrockyryan That's a balant lie. Don't get me wrong, they are amazing, but the Sam Raimi movies differ so heavily from the Ditko/Lee era, & they are way more based on the Ultimate Comics & SPECIALLY the 90's cartoon

[@blaze6477]

​@ArcTrooperRod-269 so? They are still way more faithful than the MCU spiderman films

[@Ducq33]

This guy is literally me. I’ve been saying this for years and everyone been trying to make me sound crazy. I’m old enough to remember a time where “organic webbing” was controversial now nobody has any standards anymore. Modern spider-man sucks. Most IPs feel like intellectual hand-me-down to a clumsy uncaring sibling; you want them to enjoy it but you know they will mess it up and not take care of it.

[@kwayneboy1524]

Maybe be other's standards just aren't the same as yours.

[@Ducq33]

@@kwayneboy1524 if everyone started eating 💩 and that became the standard would you be saying the same thing? They could easily create new stuff BASED off of the IPs they are bastardizing like people use to do back in the day: Static Shock/ Invincible (Spider-Man / Nightwing), GOT / Zelda (LOTR) and the countless heroes Superman inspired. To can have your standards but when you fundamentally mess up something to the point of alienating the ones that got you to the point of success then you failed and are a sellout.

[@kwayneboy1524]

@@Ducq33 but this isn't as cut and dry as that concept as some folks are fine with certain stuff like organic webbing or Peter not being too much of a prick as the 60s or junk like spider verse and ect. When it comes to new ideas with an IP some will like and some will not, standards aren't the same when comes to something like this with people. I'm not much of a fan of some of the spider-man comics but I think it has it's moments and stories thay I like along certain ideas that peak my interest. We both have standards just not the same so who's to say which is higher or lower?

[@kwayneboy1524]

@@Ducq33 they can make new things it's just that they don't want too.

[@Ducq33]

@@kwayneboy1524 we do have both have standards, fair enough. But I’m under the firm belief that characterization/ details in fiction matters as much if not more than they do in nonfiction. As a creator myself if pains me to see a character I cherish become something fundamentally different from their source. I don’t mind little changes but character breaking ones aren’t it. Also turning something into something it’s not is wrong and possibly leading to the destruction of a fandom or hobby is not cool either.

[@JcgLounge]

Geez. I like Miles. And I was once even a fan of the Spiderverse concept. But, you aren’t wrong. Spider-Man was special because he was one of a kind. Now, the Spiderverse made it feel like he’s just one of many drones who all have the same exact story, or something similar.

[@daryltor7608]

If he was a drone, then he wouldn’t stop fought 2099 to stop the canon event. But he did, canon events are wrong, and they will likely be revealed to be wrong in the 2 part.

[@stempest7218]

​@@daryltor7608yeah that's right miles isnt a drone but Peter he is. Don't worry Miguel is also the special super bad ass Spiderman. While Peter is a fat pathetic loser and then a irresponsible father in a pink outfit to make him look stupid.

[@Spider-Fan006]

Insert every other superhero with alternate selves known to man

[@bigjawline9235]

​@@daryltor7608 that in turn makes every other spjderman other than miles a drone

[@daryltor7608]

@@bigjawline9235 Yes and no, yes in how the society is making all these unique people and making them in to ‘cops’, no because Gwen and her band are going to do something about it. It’s gonna be revealed in the next one.

[@derrickjohnson4952]

To this day I don’t understand why they didn’t just use a new character, look at static & invincible they remind people of Spider-Man while standing on their own feet.

[@HoneyMike]

Static is DC and the other one isn't Marvel either so they can't use the Spiderman name. Marvel is using the Spiderman name instead of making a brand new character because they can and it's a name that sells

[@derrickjohnson4952]

@@HoneyMike Yes I know both characters are not owned by marvel, but they kind of both have similarities or a Spider-Man esc “feeling” to them. So if marvel did want a minority Spider-Man static is literally the closest without being a blatant copy & actually being unique. And yeah names sell but look at how many things in the MCU casual viewers didn’t know about & love. 1% of people knew who the guardians of the galaxy were.

[@HoneyMike]

@@derrickjohnson4952 guardians came out at a time when the MCU was just making hits but that was a long time ago now studios would rather take something with a recognizable name and try to change it to what they want to make

[@kidsseeghxst]

because its a legacy charcater, duh

[@pio1483]

It’s literally a “thanks Obama” moment. Miles would never have been a thing if the race baiting hadn’t kicked into overdrive during 44’s presidency. So not only did they need a new young black character, they needed one at the expense of an established white one

[@TheOfficialKGP]

The MCU spider man is literally written like Miles Morales in the ultimates. Miles literally was donated and given his signature spider man suit from Shield. In the MCU, Peter is donated a suit from Tony Stark. Which Tony starks makes and manufactures weapons for S.H.I.E.L.D. And Miles was even donated Peter Parker’s web shooter from Aunt May. Miles Morales never builds his own suit nor never builds his own web shooters. Everything is donated to him and him not learning to be his own man or having his own state of identity.

[@TheOfficialKGP]

Miles morales suit is not really original either consider the black and red color scheme can be trace back from the cover of The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) Issue 188 and then Another Cover in issue 401 drawn by Mark Bagley for the cover. So Miles Morales is a tact on diversity push character. And Brian Michael Bendis is notorious for Political stuff like this. Including making IronHeart, Luke and Jessica Jones being a Thing.creating Naomi for DC comics just to name a few.

[@JLOCC23424]

Someone didn't watch NWH🤦

[@TheOfficialKGP]

@@JLOCC23424 Some one does not read the comics.

[@isomericgamer6644]

If you actually paid attention to Civil War and Homecoming. Peter made his own suit, and his own webbing using chemical elements from his school. His idolization of the avengers also mirrors the old comics when peter was a mega fan of the fantastic four and wanted to be on that team.

[@TheOfficialKGP]

@@isomericgamer6644 bro no, he wanted to be with the Fantastic four to make money for helping Aunt May. This was in The Amazing Spider Man issue issue 1 Part 3. March 1963, Spider-man vs the Chameleon!. And Peter Parker says:"Say;Why Didn't I think of it before? There's the Way I can Make some Money...by joining the Fantastic Four!". He was not a super Mega Fan. He was a Casual fan. But The FF thought he was an intruder. And Literally in two pages. Spider-Man was Toying and Mocking with the FF. And decided he would not join the FF. Also Spider-Man addressed to FF that Number 1. he wanted to be a Member of FF. 2. He wanted to show case his ability to them. 3. Spider-Man says :" So Now, Let's get down to business....How much does the job pay?"I figure I'm worth your top Salary!". SUSAN Storm say:" Afraid you made a mistake, Spider-Man! We're a Non Profit Organization!. Reedd Richard says:" we pay no salaries or bonuses!any profit we make goes into scientific research. "we just keep enough money to pay our expenses! Every other cent goes into developing the most effective super-crime-fighting apparatus we can create!"

[@makito106]

I like Miles but I always thought Peter and Miles both being active at the same time was dumb especially with sharing the name. I know the main reason is marketing. It's the same reason why we got 2 wolverines and Batmen at the same time.

[@ArcTrooper269]

Yup, Miles should be like Terry Mcginnis or Wally West , Becoming the Hero when the Original pass away, Not Like Nightwing & War Machine, Being Around when the OG is right there

[@Glitchedpixel5]

What does nightwing have to do with this? Hes not calling himself batman and he doesn't usually operate in gotham

[@makito106]

@@Glitchedpixel5 I'm not talking about Dick. The 2nd Batman I was talking about is Jace Fox.

[@Thatglasseskun]

​@Glitchedpixel5 batman was actually 'gone' for a while and Dick took up the mantle, the comic where Damian was introduced was actually Dick Grayson Batman

[@2kx62]

@@ArcTrooper269isn’t that what miles is and originally was, he was and still to this day a legacy character. In both the original comics and movies miles become Spiderman after peters death but due to fan’s request and whining they bring him back and when the ultimate universe die, they brought the 2nd good thing from that universe into the main continuity, aka miles morales. Also u do relies that Wally west, Barry and jay garrick shared the mantle of the flash, while also coexisting along side each other. Hell as of rn Barry and Wally west are both the flash. In the same verse.

[@andreserra6356]

I really don't like the way marvel has been portraying spider man and Peter Parker in the latest movies, ganes, etc, he is incompetent, dumb or dependent on the others help and still fails. But I like when Peter has these happy moments, like when he and Mary Jane had a kid, because the reader knows he earned it.

[@ArcTrooper269]

Heck, at least is better than how they been treating Iron Man, Thor & Hawkeye (THE MCU MAKE THEM SO DIRTY)

[@andreserra6356]

@ArcTrooperRod-269 and Hulk. He had some good moments in the first Avengers movie, but then the writers forgot about him.

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@andreserra6356 I mean, HULK & Iron Man APPEAR IN ALL EPISODES of Avengers Assemble, & in how many times in this show His recurrent characters like Rhodey or Betty appear? 0

[@stempest7218]

​@@ArcTrooper269I loved Cap and Spidey's episode in Avengers Assemble. I love that cap was so impressed with Spidey he made him the leader of the back up Avengers despite wolverine being there and making a cameo in caps origin story as a member of his military squad. Like cap was like my old military buddy who I know is great and all but this kid I found is much suited leader lol.v

[@gazem_3211]

​@@stempest7218Are you sure that was Avengers Assemble and not Earth's Mightiest Heroes?

[@heavysaur]

Since Stan Lee and Jack Kirby past away the people behind Marvel really did a number on him. Trying to replace the main with Miles Morales, that is why i can't stand Miles Morales.

[@crimsonmask3819]

Stan was just a figurehead with no involvement for forty years. Jack left Marvel for the most part in the 70s. Spider-man in particular has been a real wreck of an IP. Even though I agree with Braeden's perspective on the character, he's talking about a kind of ideal distillation, ignoring a ton of bad and stupid stories through the years.

[@danielk.3144]

I love when "marvel fans" missrepresent what Stan Lee stood for. Its honestly really sad seeing a legends legacy represented by some really nasty individuals

[@FilmFlam-8008]

15:06 and this is what is wrong with games and movies today. YES, you don’t need powers to be a superhero, but that means you can’t just approach a situation the same way that someone with powers would. That means you are NOT going to take on a crowd of people, even if you have a taser.

[@GJikok]

But if u have special government training u would be able to sneak around especially if u are 100 times more familiar with the area or have special equipment made specifically to capitalise on the enemy's weakness

[@madraccoon1455]

When spider-man homecoming came out and i watched it i thought "damn they turn Peter into Miles" and at that time not many people knew about Miles and definitely less in my country. They give him fat, smart, asian friend who literaly looked one to one like Miles friend Ganke, he helps him with crime fighting lioke Ganke, they made that Tony watches over him and made him suit and he preparing him to become part of the Avengeres, like in the comics Nick Fury watched over Miles, gave him the suit, wanted that he became the Avenger. And for me MCU spider-man not Peter Parker but a race and name swapped Miles. In the MCU movies he always needs help, he always makes his friends and loved ones be a part of his super hero life without consequences Aunt May discovers that Peter is Spider-man, she likes it and supports him SHE LITERALY THE ONE THAT GAVE HIM THE SUIT TO ANOTHER COUNTRYWHILE HE WAS IN A SCHOOL TRIP she wants him to be Spider-man she doesn't scare about him, she doesn't think that it is to dangerous, no lets give the suit to my nephew who literaly fought the war to save the univers, 'dies', ressurect conveniently with all his friends, loved ones and other people he knew and nobody scared for him, not even him that much. I grew up with 90s and spectacular cartoons and Sam Raimi movies my spider-man doesn't need help of people without powers because he hepls them not other way, my spider-man doesn't need help with science from friends, he smart enough, or when he doesn't he goes to real scientist like Connors, my spider-man afraid that people around him discovers his identity because he would put them in danger or simply made them worry about him. And the problem is in modern spider-man universes they made him look more like Miles and Miles more like Peter. I dislike Miles he is not original like Miguel O'Hara or even like Ben Reily who literaly Parker clone, his powers is to OP and he never uses them, his entire point is i'am like Peter but black, especialy after games and animated movie. In comics when his uncle dies he is afraid that he can become like him in the movie his uncle who helped kill his spider-man, who tried to kill him, and he knew he is just a kid, HE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM TO KILL A CHILD, but he has a problem to kill his nephew, no shit. And his uncle in second movie portrayed like a good uncle with problems, are you shitting me the man who helped kill spider-man and wanted to kill a child is worthy to paint a wall in his honor f off.

[@matttriano]

100%

[@Groggle7141]

0:44 While I do prefer "With Great Power/Great Responsibility," I don’t mind these other versions (aside from Madame Web). In the original comic, the line isn’t said by any character but is spoken by the narrator (AKA Stan). So all these new versions need to do is convey the general message, which they do (aside from Madame Web).

[@qoup22]

the writers just needed the panderverse

[@VidoeGamesForEver]

My favorite versions of Spider-Man will always be Raimiverse Spider-Man, PS4 Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man and Spectacular Spider-Man. They will always be the best versions of Peter Parker to me.

[@jcraftgaming76]

the thing is, miles is not spider-man. not because he’s literally not spider-man but because he’s not defined by his past, but by his future. his uncle didn’t tell him “with great power comes great responsibility” he said “keep going, keep moving forward”. miles is his own spider-man.

[@MilestHemaN1]

Yes that's what I feel like people don't understand just for a character to have something similar to that one character is interesting but sort of having their own journey in the story. Like Nightwing his parents being killed by criminals and was an orphan like Batman but later on when he grows up he's started to become his own character. Like at the end of the movie when Miles says "anyone can wear the mask you can wear the mask". Meaning anyone can be a hero no matter what race or gender you are you can be a hero. But you can be subjective to their own opinion because Peter is still my hero he's my second favorite spiderman and nobody can ever replace him.

[@ArcTrooper269]

*7:55** Let's not forget ANIMATION ASWELL, they made a whole 4 season Show to Pander the MCU-Fication of Spider-Man & the end result was so Bad that Barely Anyone remembers that Cheap & Poorly Made Cartoon*

[@ArcTrooper269]

At least Thx to that show people start to apreciate Ultimate Spider-Man 2012, may not be a perfect cartoon But at least it's a Competent & Unique Take on the character instead of a Copypaste of the films

[@azuresaiyan9005]

Ultimate Spider-Man sucks too. Literally just PG13 Deadpool.

[@klulu-kun]

It took me so long to remember what you're talking about, LMAO. "Wait, if it's not Ultimate Spider-Man, then what is- ooooh."

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@azuresaiyan9005 1. It has the Best Flash Thompson, Dr. Octopus, Taskmaster & Green Goblin outside from the comics 2. DB Super Fan=Opinion Invalidated

[@justhuman8173]

Finally someone who actually BOLD enough to say that theres a mountain of problem in the modern Spider-man potrayals. I always said this to my friends and other communities but they straight up denied it and saying that Im a racist for not liking Miles, but the actual problem not in Miles but in how they reduce Spider-Man's urgency close to nothing. Spider-Man appeal not in how big the threat is, nor how many they r, nor the team up with other heroes. Its how he struggling with personal life and Superhero life. That's why Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 is the best Spider-Man movies to date bc how good they approach this problem. Insomniac Spider-Man doing a good job for it but blew it when they bring up Miles in the spin off and sequel. Good Superhero movies doesnt have to be on a cosmic or multiverse level, seeing the hero struggling with their own life is one recipe too. Thats also why I still loves Netflix Daredevil series. It kills me how Disney butchered him, but well just pretend that doesnt exist. These two, Spider-Man 2 and Daredevil, are my favorite Superhero show to date. As for now there's no hope for a good Spider-Man potrayals in modern media as long as Multiverse exist and Miles ofc. Rewatching these old media is the only way ig.

[@marktheshark7588]

Agreed.Imo,I does still say that Spiderman 2 is still the best Spiderman movie out there.

[@surrealpsalms]

We already know you’re a racist for not liking Miles, you don’t have to convince us.

[@RealAgon]

There's nothing wrong with hating miles He's a cheap knockoff only made to cash in the gay ass discussion about representation

[@The_Troid]

Honestly miles should have just stayed in his universe since at least he would have a much better identity of his own rather than just sharing peter's

[@Swizzy-q7m]

They tried and Peter fanboys hates miles for it so they combined it

[@The_Troid]

@@Swizzy-q7m I mean they did just killed peter and introduced a black character. It's obvious people would have been mad because it feels like an agenda rather than wanting to tell a story (and also that peter in the main books was also killed by octavious so yeah)

[@james849]

​@@The_Troidno the first issues of ultimate miles just sucked his character was boring and even his side characters sucked so they decided to bring back peter into the mix to atleast bring back one thing people liked about the ultimate spider man comics

[@baligong3592]

@@Swizzy-q7m What really happened is that they tried, but he wasn't popular. His comic were full of "What would Peter do?", Combined with Bendis' Writing, it's just a slog to go through. Then Marvel decided it was a Mission to push the character everywhere.

[@GJikok]

​@@The_Troidpeter in the main books got his body back a long time ago?

[@LegacyComics100]

Remember in Spider-Man vs Wolverine: High Tide where: •Spider-Man found Sophie and Burt dead in their shop by a mysterious professional. •Peter quit being Spider-Man for a short time and ditched his black costume when he was accused and shot at by the authorities and his whole love denial with MJ. •Peter Parker seeing Ned Leed dead with his throat slit when they got too close in a report in West Berlin involving the KGB. •Peter Parker asking for a store owner for a black costume but he only had his classic red and blue one, where Parker thought in his mind “I just want to die.” •Going through a minefield and getting set up by Wolverine in the wrong locations. •Gets involved with Logan’s business with Charlie(not Xavier, Charlemagne, a name with too many blasted syllables). •Getting into a major fight with Wolverine over a misunderstanding where Spider-Man ends up accidentally killing Charlie by punching her. •Remains quiet after the whole ending, even hanging up on Jonah when he asked Peter “where’s Ned?” •Parker forever dealing with the thought of killing a “supposedly” innocent woman that MJ becoming his coping mechanism. Yeah, comics during the late 80’s can cook some major storylines, and I haven’t gone into the time Tony Stark didn’t tell Bruce Banner that his wife Betty had a miscarriage, Doctor Strange did eventually tell him, and that’s one of the reasons why Savage Hulk came back when he was gray for a while.

[@RudyCrowley-b1j]

I thought the central theme of Spider-Man was "giving one of your most popular love interests a creepy as fuck relationship with the most punchable man ever put on a comic page for the sake of cheap dramabait is preferable to giving fans what they actually want" . Oh, wait. That's just modern Spider-Man, carry on.

[@qfix]

intelligent well reasoned argument. I feel like an old man yelling at clouds when i complain about how peter got screwed. funnily enough i subbed because of your video on the hulk getting screwed .

[@Danonino-yb5dh]

Spiderman 2 (ps5) It's literally a scrotum lick for Miles, and they keep treating Peter like a punching bag

[@MisterFreeSpeech]

Miles literally gets kidnapped and has less boss fights. wym

[@asdtgh8895]

@@MisterFreeSpeech Even if he got kidnapped, it was portrayed with more care than, oh I don't know, Peter struggling to get out of a bunch of debris, still getting injured by the hunters' attacks despite having the black suit, treated as the biggest scumbag despite being bonded to the symbiote without any say on the matter (even wanting to return it to Harry immediately), feeling sorry almost all the time, etc. And there were two times where Miles, "for some reason", did not defend Peter despite Peter being in the best interest of the two people he apparently wronged, which is just vile. And despite having fewer boss fights (even though it's just short of 1 villain), he is still pampered with abilities that are more versatile than Peter's, that a speedrunner would glitch him into beating Scream rather than using Peter (And would glitch him into a Miles-only mission where he can skip the Sonic Burst Integrity section). A video by Dush called "How is this a boss fight?" even shows Miles combining the Prowler Strike from his Camo ability with a Takedown/Mega Venom Blast to easily defeat Mysterio within seconds. Imagine that kind of damage with Venom Punch and Galvanize against someone like Venom/Mr. Negative, especially knowing how fast Camo can be regenerated. And speaking of Mysterio, isn't it funny how Peter has nothing to do with a supervillain he used to be associated with while Miles does? I can still go on with the problems that his character has brought. His playstyle from his own game had been copied for Peter rather than have them be completely different in their gimmicks (even the new abilities look the same, albeit not all of them), Spider-Jump and Spider-Dash (also from Miles Morales), especially combined with the Web Wings, ruins the point of Web-Swinging, his powers' growth were never because of his interactions with Mr. Negative but by his own emotions (a literal anime MC power creep), and more. And all this is like a quarter of the main issues Insomniac 2 has that schmucks like Colin. would overlook

[@sap9255]

Except miles is barely in the game

[@toxic0470]

​@@asdtgh8895 they only started to dislike Peter because the symbiote was starting to alter his personality and start acting like a dick to everyone around him, since nobody knew how to get the symbiote off of him. Harry may have been more antagonistic towards Peter before that but why wouldn't he when he needs the symbiote to stay alive? Miles has the majority of the side content because he is barely in the main story (only 2 Miles only missions vs 13 Peter only) and the pieces of side content he does get (EMF and the Flame) are more fleshed out and serve as hints as to what we could see for the next insomniac spider-man game (Peter working to restore EMF and Carnage potentially showing up). I will admit having the Mysteriums not be a joint thing is weird tho, like why even is it like that lol. Miles gets better abilities sure, but how much does it really matter? The gameplay is really just mashing the square button and abilities when they're off cooldown. Why should they be completely different movement-wise? It makes more sense that both Miles and Peter move in the same way, since it means that any new player don't have to learn two different movement schemes for characters they will have to switch between a fair amount throughout the game. The web wings do take a lot of shine off of web swinging, its far from ruined and is still a vital part of what makes movement in this game fun. Also yes Miles' evolved venom is explained as due to him interacting with Li lol.

[@cha0sk1lls]

andrew garfield had the quips down kinda but spectacular spider-man is like the best we will ever get

[@1378N]

0:56 That Madame Web quote is off. Responsibility doesn't magically bring power.

[@c.w.k.n.5117]

I think you verbalized why the Toby Maguire Spiderman has been my favorite from live action.

[@ArcTrooper269]

*14:14** I don't know if you're aware but You ALSO DESCRIBED THE TERRIBLE WRITTING OF THE CW BARRY ALLEN 😂(because that bozo does NOT deserve the name of Flash)* PD. don't stop to talk, don't stop to talk, don't stop to talk, CUFF HIM, CUFF HER, CUFF THEM

[@bobkane432]

Black Cat is a better sidekick for Spiderman than Mary Sue Morales

[@HoDoBoDo]

I 100% agree. Spider-man has sadly become lost in adaptation and he's far less himself now.

[@krissjames7276]

When Mary Jane comes across as more of a superhero than Peter Parker, you know the Agenda is out in force, good writing be damned. It also makes it very difficult give the storytellers the benefit of doubt when they constantly make Peter's more diverse potential Replacement outshine him.

[@GJikok]

Give an example of mary Jane and miles being shown to outshine Peter for no reason other than the woke agenda

[@GJikok]

Give an exemple of any of the two

[@elfascisto6549]

​@@GJikok spiderman 2 game

[@GJikok]

@@elfascisto6549 1 example in spiderman 2 game

[@deemations2229]

​@@GJikok Mary Jane missions (one shotting enemies that spiderman struggle with such as Kraven hunters and venom minions), and the rest of the game making peter look bad or being wrong

[@ArcTrooper269]

*6:00** Marvel's Spider-Man 2017 where the Goblin is a 40 Year Old Bully of Highschool who WEARS AN ORANGE SUIT yet calls himself GREEN GOBLIN:* _Hold My Exposition Dump_

[@vaggos2003]

I don't know if this would interest, but out if curiosity, I brought this video to the attention of S.K. and he and his froends made a Disagreement Day stream response to it. It coukd be interesting to hear your thoughts on that.

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@vaggos2003 ¿Link?

[@beneciotheperson]

Remember how amazing the first game was because it had actually fucking stakes and a well written story and actual good fan service and then Insomniac mysteriously focused on Miles?

[@BrandontheAwesome]

To be fair, the first game had one of the worst versions of MJ out there...

[@mrsneed420]

@@BrandontheAwesomeand surprise surprise, the second game made her even worse.

[@SaltyCalhoun]

I really like the spider-verse movies, their style and presentation is unmatched, but you've convinced me to really want the old Spider-Man back, he seems like someone to look up to instead of the "lol that's totally me" spidey of today

[@egp2497]

just cuz the writers are making an ass version of peter doesn’t mean miles is the problem

[@SaltyCalhoun]

@@egp2497 He's a problem in the sense that current writers need Peter to pass the torch to him. And he fills the modern "lol so quirky" comedy shtick

[@2kx62]

@@SaltyCalhounnot really, that only happened like 2 times compared to what there doing for the most part is just turning it into a partner ship. Miles coexisting along side peter, not pass the torch, there literally sharing the spot light together, they made a new book called the spectacular spider “men”. Miles and peter exist in 616 and not really replacing one another, and same in the games, also peter didn’t quit he just took a break which logically make sense, I mean miles is there why not let him do the heavy lifting for a while until Peter can steadily get back on his feet. The only time miles replace peter was in the 1610 comics which isn’t canon to main material of marvel, and lol peter in 1610 end up coming back any way and existing along side miles as both Spiderman and partnering up. And the other time Peter was replaced was in the movie when blonde hair peter Parker died.

[@kwayneboy1524]

​@@SaltyCalhounthat's only happened twice so it's not a big deal. Besides things change when a character has been around for decades

[@bullymaguire71352]

"presentation is unmatched" buddy, have you seen any other films?

[@bobbydenaro870]

You and Eric July (youngrippa) summed up miles perfectly

[@dougwalker8068]

I am actually curious if you have any thoughts on Miguel O'Hara and the world of 2099. I think it was a fascinating thing originally, but like Spider-Man has become diluted, feeling more like just an aesthetic than a world now.

[@ZoobiethePopplio]

Is this why Peter dies in almost every origin story Miles has?

[@dreamybulllxxx]

miles can only work with peter dying, its a result of the fact that miles is literally just peter parker. he was originally created when they killed peter off in ultimate spider-man, and the inspiration was seeing childish gambino wear a spider-man suit on tv lol

[@Multipurpose_Bagel]

"If you like [the new version I just spent the entire video explaining why I dislike it], then more power to you." Everyone is always saying "more power to you", and I'm like "No. No, less power. Less power means less-dislikable-version". More power to the old version lol

[@theKrabs_11]

I never understood the concept of a canon event. Because Spider-Verse 1 says that anyone can be Spider-Man, but then Spider-Verse 2 tells us that certain events need to happen in a person’s life first them to be Spider-Man?

[@TheAzulmagia]

I don't necessarily agree with the notion that other Spider-Men should be non-canon, but I *do* think that they should be used sparingly or at least primarily as Elseworlds comics. Making the multiverse into Spider-Man's thing is absolutely a misstep. I also agree that the whole "canon event" thing is a bad idea, but I'm hoping that the premise of Movie 3 is at least intending to challenge the notion that every Spider-Man has a mandatory amount of suffering they have to endure.

[@GladwinAbel]

I think that’s the point of the story to prove that every spider has to suffer but have heart but not every Spider-Man has to share similar suffering, miles already lost his uncle doesn’t mean he has to know loose his dad same with Gwen losing Peter doesn’t mean she has to loose her father. Suffering for Spider-Man should come as being unable to live normally and being constantly tormented by villains

[@dperish]

Today's Spider-Man is just as bad as today's Star Wars, and what do they have in common? Disney.

[@sealandic_lord]

So my take away from this is Raimi Spider-Man is the best adaptation. The good news is they can never take that away from us. Just have to hope if Spider-Man 4 ever happens it avoids these issues.

[@ArcTrooper269]

Ultimate Spider-Man Thea Gams(2005) >>> the whole Raimi trilogy

[@bowserbreaker2515]

The best Spider-Man adaptations are the 1994 cartoon, Spectacular, and the Raimi films. They were all made by people who understood Spider-Man. That's why the best adaptations of comics are cartoons. They were made by people trying to make something good, not just trying to cash in on the "general audience" like the MCU.

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@bowserbreaker2515 SPIDER-MAN PS1, Ultimate 2005 & Shattered Dimensions: EJEM, you are forgetting someone 😡

[@bowserbreaker2515]

@@ArcTrooper269 I don't play Spider-Man video games.

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@bowserbreaker2515 you can watch the cut-scenes since all of those games' story is peak

[@TheBioBoy]

Facts man ✊. Good to know there’s others out there who feel the same.

[@bedtimegames]

Idk why they just can't use all these characters to make new super heroes instead of copying already made ones. Aside from the problems copying causes narratively, isn't a new hero just.. inherently better? Why would you want to just waste all your time making something you already have when instead you could use Miles Morales to make a new exciting hero with his own origins, villians, etc.

[@kwayneboy1524]

That's been going around for years my friend and honestly I think it's because if done right people will like it. Characters like Terry Mcguinis, Connor Hawke, and practically every sidekick in existence are guilty of this but fans love these characters so people feel like this is a fine concept in practice.

[@rafaelcalvaydiaz3664]

@@kwayneboy1524 Terry Mcguinis was created in a spinoff of a series (not original from the comics), and was a quasi-alternate universe (because of multiple futures and all that), separated enough from main to be relevant to anything. There is a reason it took more time for him to appear in the comics than Harley. Connor Hawke sucks so i dont know what to tell you there. And sidekicks have lesser relevance than mainline heroes. Thats why they are sidekicks, because, for the most part, they cant work on their own (with few exceptions like robin, and even with that, robin is almost a transitory title before the hero becomes someone else, like nightwing or red robin). Its true that this tends to happen before, but it usually was done to characters nobody cared or were losing relevance, as legacy replacements, in contrast to now were they make the replacements once the character is popular.

[@kwayneboy1524]

​​@@rafaelcalvaydiaz3664Debatable on with Hawk is bad but that's irrelevant as he did the same thing Miles has done. Yeah now the role of Robin is a hand me down position but it wasn't originally as Robin was a identity that belonged only too Richard Grayson. Heck DC was super hesitant towards turning him into Nightwing too the point that they made Jason Todd into a rip off version of Grayson and when they mad him different the fans hated him. Why else do you think each male Robin has jet black hair? True but that's how things are now things change and ideas change and now every identity is a hand me down heck even The Flash is a hand me down one.

[@kwayneboy1524]

@@rafaelcalvaydiaz3664 my point is that comics have always done this for years and will continue to do so. Isn't Batman and Flash a Legacy title? I mean they dedicated a whole storyline about that for Bruce and in main canon Jay seems to have been the Flash of earth prime before Barry. True but that's up too the writers and so far they all seem to prefer using the legacy character trope but that's how things are now and we can't do much about aside from complain. It worked decently before with the others and because of that comics are trying to recreate that fluke. Like it or not it's here to stay.

[@kwayneboy1524]

@@rafaelcalvaydiaz3664 I was referring to Grayson as Batman and why would it not be the best moment to do that? And what of characters like Ben Riley and Cain?

[@ElijahTubbs]

Spiderverse is a commentary on spider-man’s status as a legend in pop culture rather than his narrative purpose.

[@wondershroom]

5 months late but I HALF agree Yes while I admit that that Miles is like, a horrifically overused character. The Spider-Verse movies still do it justice IMO. Like, obviously there's the whole *canon event* thing, but Miles entire thing is that he's supposed to be a mistake to nature itself, and in a weird way, he is kind of special, and obligated to do the right thing despite what is placed on top of him.

[@Jacketpotatos1]

Miles Morales is only where he is because he’s black

[@calypso]

Miles has no identity, everything he has belongs to Peter, he doesnt even has his own gallery of villains!! Disney/marvel can pretend all they want that miles is popular, but he will never beat Peter, and I'm not even a spiderman fan

[@myronn5495]

In miles recent comics he is starting to get more original villains and even he shares the villains peter has his stories make the D list heros more interesting n engaging wit the plot miles has a different background different upcoming different struggles

[@mrmelonman2893]

he literally has his own gallery of villians wtf u talking about>

[@kidsseeghxst]

he has like 10 of his own villians lol

[@kwayneboy1524]

So he's just like Batman Beyond then.

[@maxdam4059]

​@kwayneboy1524 Batman beyond was miles better than Miles , he is not just some random nobody who was luckily to be bitten by a genetically modified spider , Batman beyond literally earned the suit and the main reason he did that was to avenge his father and not just that they literally made his story related to Bruce Wayne especially the part where he was his clone or his son and he worked hard to earn their respect and he had his own villains like the jokerz gang , that radioactive CEO who was responsible for his father's murder who is blazing Skull , Inque , Mad Stan and he did share some Batman villains . Miles had no character development or whatsoever every game he is in ' I HaVe To Be My oWn tHiNg"

[@mrsneed420]

The worst part about Miles is that he has none of his own villains, if he does have a villain they’re uninspired and forgettable. No matter how much people deny it, he was made to try and replace Peter Parker. It’s why people don’t have a problem with 2099, he’s his own character with his own villains and stays out of Peter’s way in the comics besides maybe the occasional crossover. Marvel in general jsut seems to have had an irrational hatred towards Pete for years now.

[@kwayneboy1524]

I think he does have his own villains from what I've glanced online.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@kwayneboy1524 He does, but they aren't anything special.

[@kwayneboy1524]

@@BrandontheAwesome buy hey at least their his own

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@kwayneboy1524 Yeah, yet they never use them when adapting his character.

[@mr.punisher5100]

You explained Miles Morales' problem way better then the Anti-SJWs do. Great job

[@spider-man500]

​@@LucasBR702But it's true. Bro even though Marvel really wants to make Miles the brand new permanent Spider-Man, they contradict themselves by literally marketing him as Spider-Man: Miles Morales, because despite what some people say, Peter Parker is the one who is affiliated with Spider-Man. Miguel O'Hara is marketed as Spider-Man 2099 Ben Reilly is Scarlet Spider And in universe they openly acknowledge that they are not to be confused with the OG.

[@Hollowmello1285]

​@@spider-man500kaine is scarlet spider nowadays and no one has done anything with the character

[@killerqueen6054]

@@Hollowmello1285Isn’t he Scarlet Spider 2?

[@killerqueen6054]

@@LucasBR702 I see nothing wrong with that argument, it’s just a thesis statement to get across the point. And if they don’t expand further then they just are bad at making arguments. Miles Morales is a fine character, but he really should be distinct from Spider-Man. If not with an original name, then just acknowledge that he is Miles, and not the true and definitive Spider-Man. Just as Batman is Bruce Wayne, and Iron Man is Tony Stark, Spider-Man is Peter Parker. And when someone else fill the role, it is acknowledged as unique and difference. Terry McGinnis might be Batman, but in his own run during Batman Beyond, and Miles should be the same.

[@Hollowmello1285]

@@killerqueen6054 yup

[@Bruhtatochip742]

The lack of spider-sense in movies does bug me. We could have had awesome ultra-instinct like scenes of ducking and weaving. Scenes like that are always badass.

[@DoomBowser64]

Wow, you nailed it. I was even forgeting how good Spiderman can be after decade of Spiderslop we been getting 😢

[@joycongod4831]

Decade of slop? Name the slop real quick for me

[@spider-man500]

@@joycongod4831 *Cough* TASM2 *Cough* the recent 616 comics *Cough* Marvel's Spider-Man Disney Show *Cough* Spider-Man Far From Home *Cough*

[@GJikok]

​@@spider-man500ur talking about the tasm2 movie right?

[@thevorst6119]

He’s not supposed to be quirky, peter parker is quirky, spiderman is sardonic, but kind.

[@ozy667]

miles is another supergirl, she hulk, batgirl, spidergirl, iron heart, a clone character that has nothing to add other than desperatly trying to pander to a new demographic.

[@abdullahfahad53]

With the first 3 you mentioned, at least they are good characters in their own right even if they are clone copies. With Miles and the rest of them, they don't even have their own personality

[@ArcTrooper269]

​@@abdullahfahad53 Iron Heart bothers me because Why You need her WHEN YOU HAVE WAR MACHINE & RESCUE RIGHT THERE, & they have way better chemistry with everyone

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Every single character you mentioned is their own character as is Miles. Supergirl is an actual kryptonian who doesn't fit in on earth and has anger issues, she hulk has strength but otherwise is nothing like the hulk at all, batgirl is different enough and batwoman had a completely different upbringing or personality (all three versions including brave and the bold show). And spidergirl lives in a different time period if you mean mayday

[@spider-man500]

Not true. Those are actually the few cases where they are NOT copies. She Hulk doesn't have Hulk's anger issues, she isn't as dangerous and powerful as him, she isn't mentally split, she's a lawer, and she has a jaded/aware sense of humour to her character. Supergirl is the more tragic, disturbed and darker/more jaded cousin of Superman. Batgirl(Barbara Gordon) is one of the many sidekicks to Batman, being the smart and sometimes out of her depth one of the group, as well as being Gordon's daughter. Spidergirl depends on which one you are referring to. Iron Heart fucking sucks. That's definitely true And yeah, Miles is definitely not good

[@audaciousjones]

​@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 whats unique about ironheart?

[@thered_hood7451]

I missed where Peter Parker was the only Spider-Man. It made him special and unique. The only other logical Spider-Men to exist are his clones and offspring. Ben Reilly, Kaine and Mayday. and his distant future predecessor, Miguel who is more valid to exist because he actually has his own stories tailored to him. I wouldve appreciated miles better if they didnt try to hard to turn him into modern Peter Parker. I wouldve appreciated him more if he took the Nightwing route and made a name out for himself instead

[@Cartoonssolosyourfavoriteverse]

I will definitely say that PS4 Spider-Man was an Awesome version of the web crawler. He felt way more comic accurate than his MCU counterpart. Character wise, Lore wise and Power Level Wise.

[@society7394]

MJ in the comics was never a Danville in distress

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@society7394 At times she could be.

[@Veatoox]

That's why I liked the og Miles comic where Peter died fighting Goblin, basically forcing Miles to take up the mantle in almost the same way Peter did. Though now it isn't the same cuz of the multiverse, the concept could work if Peter dies before Miles becomes Spiderman

[@KobyMathews]

Bro I love this channel. Keep up the good work

[@kungaroomanga5639]

Get ready for the R-word accusations

[@retroboomer3197]

I've been saying this for a very long time and not just about characters like Spider-Man. Even before the movies I started noticing that I didn't like the direction they were taking with my friendly neighborhood hero and was usually met with similar responses you've gotten whenever you've expressed your discontent. I loved Sam Rami's movies, with the exception of Spider-Man 3, but I've been hatewatching the movies that came after hoping others would wake up and see what I've seen for so many years. Thank you for making this video.

[@DoomBowser64]

Hell yeah, anything 2010 and onwards is not SpiderMan anymore. Sony's SpiderMan is a rare exception (just the first one) and spiderman shattered dimensions (so good) completely forgot about that one lmao

[@comicbookking3446]

So are we gonna ignore will received projects like Shattered Dimensions Spider-Man’s portrayal in Avengers EMH and the spider verse movies ?

[@DoomBowser64]

​@@comicbookking3446 thanks for reminding me about Shattered Dimensions, can't comment on the other ones you mentioned haven't seen them and won't hate on them blindly.

[@stempest7218]

In the spider verse movies Peter is made into a fat pathetic loser who miles easily defeats by accident even and there is a scene where miles looks at Peter disgusted as Peter eats a burger like a pig. It's okay the redeemed Peter by putting him in a stupid pink outfit and making him an irresponsible father taking his child across universes where she could be lost or put in danger ​@@comicbookking3446

[@spider-mah3973]

I would say edge of time was great too

[@verspin]

Once again Spectacular Spider-Man proves to be the best Spider-Man adaptation

[@DaKing540]

Facts

[@Dogedevnet]

i agree with most of it, except that the fact that miles is just Imitation Peter. His point is about literally stop trying to be the original, and that's the difference between "Be Greater" and "Be Yourself" Peter never had to get to a standard higher than himself because it never had an actual point of reference more than what uncle ben told him, but Miles had to fight with that fact in his movies and games.

[@spider-man500]

That's the problem, it's only the movies that do that. The comics, he IS a weak imitation of Peter Parker. Long story short, fuck the comics Miles, and hats off to the movies

[@nothingwrong2293]

"His point is about literally stop trying to be the original" so his core idea is that he feels like a cheap copy? And when he gets over it, then what?

[@Deimosviva]

Then he should stop leeching off his name, villains and story and get out of his city/universe.

[@deffa429]

That's the issue the theme of "being yourself" is always pushed and said in his stories, but it never really happens. He still feels like an imitation. Compare that to Spider-man 2099 who was different from Peter right off the bat without any identity issues or attempts to "be himself"

[@Deimosviva]

@@deffa429 real

[@Allen-qs2xr]

Really loved the first spiderverse, and not the second. You added a dimension of clarity that I didn't think about, thank you.

[@GJikok]

Why I'm genuinely curious?

[@bowserbreaker2515]

@@GJikok The first movie was just a kid figuring himself out and trying to make things right. The second movie was about how all this stuff is a destined, cosmic event that has to happen no matter what. It cheapens Uncle Ben's death. Originally, Ben dies because Peter didn't take action. Now, it's Ben has to die and will no matter what.

[@GJikok]

​@bowserbreaker2515 yeah that's true actually would be better if Canon was just what would happen not that every uncle Ben no matter what

[@jneilson7568]

Thank you for summarising and expanding on exactly why Spiderverse is beginning to really, really grate on me. It is so diluted it misses why we loved the origin character and the Raimi movies.

[@HaloWingProductions]

@Braeden Alberti Thanks for making this video Im a big Spider-man fan and its bugged me a lot how mcu, the recent game, comics, movies etc have portrayed the character. I also appreciate you talking about miles and making it a point to not mention his race as an argument so no body could just blow off your critism. Because while the race thing is a fair critism it isnt the only problem with miles. For anyone interested a guy on KZbin called emperor xero made a very good video explaining miles' creation and how he is only a tokenized character. He talks a lot about other things that are problems beside his race. Plus I appreciate Braeden mentioning other aspects of spiderman that never get talked about in critiques. Nobody ever seems to be willing to critisize Spiderman fairly or in a meaningful way since everybody has their own opinion rather than talk about the character objectively. Always love the videos and I love to learn more about the characters, it gives me some newfound appreciation.

[@Terminal_Apotos]

Totally agree, I hate how they’ve gotten rid of so much that made Spider-Man so great. Now he’s kind of a Generic Good Guy who has Tons of Friends who know he’s Spider-Man and help him save the day.

[@GuiltlessGear]

since the first moment, ive really loathed the MCU spider-man, and this is why. in shockingly effiicient order no less.

[@heartless2147]

I like old Spidey too, but I also enjoy the idea of variants. I personally prefer Superior Spiderman in terms of how he balanced his life. Using drones to survey the city while he swaps between them, all while having time and money to live his civilian life via making his own company. Obviously Green Goblin found an exploit, but all he had to do was upgrade them not throw the concept away. That in itself is him learning and adapting as Spiderman, fight smarter not harder.

[@Laxhoop]

No one wants to admit it, but the real reason they’re pushing Miles so hard is because Peter is going to become public domain in only a few decades. Miles can be the new main Spider-Man for at least another century, so they’re starting early to phase Peter out by making Miles the “cooler” Spider-Man, and it’s actually working because they took the race angle with marketing him.

[@beneciotheperson]

Just because Amazing Fantasy will be in the PD doesn't mean Spider-Man will be. He's still a protected, trade-marked character under Disney and they won't give that up. Same thing with Mickey Mouse. Steamboat Willie is in the public domain, but Mickey as a trademark is still Disney's IP.

[@timewarpdrive77]

nah; its because miles is "diverse"; if it was really about pushing another spiderman, there's a dozen spider-men that existed before miles (who was created for the "all-different all-new marvel")

[@tfordham13]

​@@beneciotheperson no his appearance,powers,name,ect will be but only for that appearance

[@ArcTrooper269]

em, bro, You don'r seem to understand how Public Domain Works 😑

[@Sinistersouls]

The irony of you saying it’s working because they took the “race-angle” when Miles being Black/Latino was one of the biggest hurdles Marvel encountered when trying to get the fans to accept him. There was significant backlash and racism when he first appeared. He’s popular NOW because the character is well written and had two successful movies at a time where Spider-Man centric movies were less than ideal. If you’re gonna cry your fanboy tears let your tears fall where legitimate criticism lies and stop taking the “race-angle”.

[@DrKrapulax]

Still the best marvel critic out there.

[@stempest7218]

One the biggest problems I have with all the extra Spiderman's is they always just a better Peter. Examples Scarlet spider ( Ben) is a clone that was made to the original Spiderman and better then Peter was. Kaine was a clone who had evolved powers making stronger then Peter. Miles has Peters powers but stronger with invisibility, electric and better spider sense and has beaten Peter in every fight they have had. Silk has Peters powers but also has natural webshooters from her fingers and can produce different webbing and was able to easily beat an electro in her first fight while Peter got easily beaten despite never being in a real fight before. Even characters Spiderman 2099 were retconned to be stronger then Peter.

[@TheWebbedWonderASM1962]

None of them are better then Peter

[@EinSilverRose]

The funniest thing about the first Miles Morales movie is how the interest in Peni Parker exploded and Marvel simply refuses to do anything with her other than her comic. It'd be nice if they gave her IP to a Japanese animation studio for them to make a Peni Parker anime. That said Miles is such a non-character. Nothing about him is unique. He's just a good guy with no real reason for him to do good other than "it's the right thing to do" and can do no wrong. Doesn't help how the comic book writers just keep trying to push him as the super cool and much better Spider-Man than the actual Spider-Man just because they want to replace Peter Parker with a hip and cool new half-Black, half-Puerto Rican character.

[@MilestHemaN1]

I really don't see how race has to do with anything when it comes to Peter getting replaced by miles if that was the cause war machine could have replaced iron man because he was a cooler version of iron man with more weapons and being a black guy

[@Tishbite731]

I'm so glad you made this. I'm so sick and tired of Miles being considered a good character when EVERYTHING he has is stolen from Peter Parker. Yeah, when they take away everything good from Peter Parker and give it to Miles, it's gonna seem good by comparison. It's clear they want to replace Spider-Man with a cheap knockoff

[@wondershroom]

I will say as someone who still is defending the Spider-Verse movies in the comments, even I'll admit that saying that Miles is a great character (as a whole) is dishonest af considering that only the Spider-Verse version of him is really memorable

[@Jabberstax]

Miles Morales is Miles Morales. Peter Parker is Spider-man.

[@frogglen6350]

"We've seen this before" Goodness, I had no idea that losing loved ones and being sad was invented by spiderman.

[@lobsterwithhisshouldersbac8368]

I never really realized i stopped caring about spiderman. But yeah current spiderman is terrible.

[@Gar1onriva]

I went into this video expecting to disagree with you. But no. I agree with almost everything you said.

[@P.1nK.ert0.n]

i could not agree more with what u've said here. I've grown up watching first 3 spider man movies and animated series and modern spiderman is not for me. Spidey changed for worse and i'm simply not interested anymore.

[@MauricePlayer]

Man, you open my eyes

[@Nothルッキー]

Man what a great video, on top of that can't believe that u put it in a Marvel Ultimate Alliance scene, really golden!! Looking forward to see your next bangers

[@SirTowerOfZaid]

Brother how do you always manage to be 100% correct, I just don't understand how every video I watch of yours perfectly encapsulates my thoughts.

[@Mrdurian123]

13:49 where is that clip from

[@matternot666]

I hate multiverses

[@mikesnapper9001]

In the MCU movie with spiderman and dr strange, where the plot is that Peter almost causes the multiverse to be destroyed because he just can't shut up while dr Strange is casting the spell and let him focus, so the main driving force that kicked off the plot of that movie was the typical cringe haha marvel funny humor gag... that was the last drop for the Holland spiderman for me, i just find his spiderman annoying now. Miles Morales is fine... but the trouble is spiderverse movies aren't great because of Miles, the are great despite him. It would be better if Peter Parker was the main character there, not the copy pasted Miles spiderman.

[@Red-Renegade-Studios]

Glad somebody finally said it

[@victo7833]

The uncle Ben speech in TASM is 1:1 to his speech in the Ultimate Spider-Man in the comics

[@sleekemu356]

That's why I'm not a fan of multiple people having the power of spiderman it kinda dilute the uniqueness of spiderman the the mental of spiderman, the termn everyone can be spiderman is not true. That's like saying everyone can be batman but we all know that his sidekick would take the mantle of batman and the only successor of batman that's good was Terry Mcgennis and that was mostly bcs Bruce was old and retired

[@NomadH02]

15:59 Thats the thing, the truth is, miles has ALWAYS been a politically driven character, and anyone who can't see that simply doesn't have the insight on how modern media decisions are linked to a wider global agenda, and unfortunately, The MCU Black Panther movies are severely guilty too Here's a FANTASTIC black portrayal character who isn't politcally driven at all - Blade. One of my personal favorites and i wish there were more standalone comics coming out for him

[@lordraiden7397]

Why is miles being black suddenly poltical and framing it like it's some sort of world takeover. Micheal bendis just wanted to make a black spiderman and did just that. What's hard about wrapping your head around it

[@TheWebbedWonderASM1962]

@@lordraiden7397 he wanted to make a black spider-man because he is a writer who doesnt understand spider-man at all. Peter Parker was not a spider-man for whites. He was The Spider-Man. He was for everyone, then came miles who was spider-man for black people. Miles is a dissrespect to the entire point of Spider-Man, he will never be a good character. I hope marvel replaced Peter with him someday just so they can go broke.

[@thevorst6119]

New spiderman for a new era, doesn’t mean better spiderman for a better era, especially when you think it’s better for some kind of social restitution. Miles doesn’t lift anyone up, he’s not an example, he’s a representation. That’s the biggest problem. He’s suffered a lot of tragedy, but tragedy doesn’t equal sacrifice.

[@dymoure]

The new Ultimate Spider-Man comics that are literally coming out right now are made for you, bud. :) As someone who interned for Marvel and talked to the writers and editors, they know different people want different things. Peter’s best stories are the originals, I agree, but they aren’t dated. They’re timeless and still being rereleased and reprinted today. However, there are some new things to say when it comes to Miles, particularly about his race and ethnicity. I think its inception was inherently lazy, and that’s coming from a Hispanic. But writers are reworking that lazy concept and giving it some great stories, like in the Spider-Verse movies. Miguel O’Hara was the antagonist of Across the Spider-Verse. I’m sure they’ll address how the whole “canon event” concept is wrong, and the message will be about agency and becoming your own man. That’s why we hope he’ll get with Gwen, that’s why we hope he’ll save his dad, and honestly? I’d go as far as saying that’s why we hope he chooses a different superhero name.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@dymoure The problem is, it's too little, too late. Everyone knows why Miles was created, and Marvel simply lacks the talent to make him stand out. And it shows. Miles will never be Spider-Man, period.

[@AlteredNova04]

Personally, I'm fine with Peter learning how to share his responsibility with others. Peter's greatest flaw has always been that he takes the lesson of "with great power comes great responsibility" too far, to the point of being self-destructive and inadvertently hurting those who care about him. You can't effectively help other people if you never take care of yourself, and Peter has had enough mental breakdowns over the years to attest to that. Thats why I wish they would just let Peter semi-retire to raise a family and mentor some younger heroes. Instead of constantly screwing him over with bullshit like selling his marriage to the devil and whatnot.

[@Tb1025]

You can have Peter be married and have kids while still being Spider-Man. That actually opens the book up to many stories. The character always had a steady progression. I would say his stagnation really only started after one more day. I’m also not shocked that a lot of the new renditions of the character have come after Stan Lee died.

[@Tb1025]

I don’t think Peter should retire tho. Having Peter “grow” is not a synonym for retirement. People don’t understand that when Stan Lee made Peter he wanted to make a super hero that felt real. Life is filled with sorrow. But it is also filled with joy, the early books knew this and had a good mix of both. The Stan Lee run of Spider-Man read like a soap opera. That’s why it was the best.

[@kwayneboy1524]

Yeah I always felt the great power creed is the best but I just feel that because Peter's guilt has made him take it too far too the point that he kinda feels like he's gonna self sabotage himself at times.

[@Tb1025]

@@kwayneboy1524 I think that’s an interesting dynamic

[@Tb1025]

@@kwayneboy1524 also the idea of being superhero is inherently self sabotaging

[@DaKing540]

The problem with marvel IN GENERAL is they never make movies true to the comics……I mean they literally have never done that so idk what people expect.

[@Sky-Strider]

You nailed it. Well said. I find the Spiderverse movies entertaining, but there's always felt like there was something off about the concept of multiple Spider heroes. It cheapens Peter as a character, which isn't uncommon for a lot of heroic characters these days. So tired of race being used as a shield or justification for that. It's like that's all these "modern" creators have instead of the talent and creativity to make new characters that are actually interesting and whose visual attributes are incidental.

[@joycongod4831]

Tell me something. In the movie what does miles race have to do with literally everything

[@15rafabor]

Miles interactions with venom are interesting, when hes far from being a generic spider-man, using daggers and stuff, he should start by getting his own super hero name, no one calls him spiderman, only miles spiderman

[@15rafabor]

the nicest thing about spider-man, was his costume, anyone can identify with him, whith miles was the same stuff, until they bringed the horrible costume at the end of insomaniac 2