Spiritual but Not Religious: True Religion in James 1

[@DanielWSonntag]

Nice! This was uploaded on my birthday. I used to say that phrase for thirty years! ("Spiritual but not religious"). Thank you God, I didn't die during that time.

[@adamhovey407]

Is a deist ghost spiritual-but-not-religious?

[@RGTomoenage11]

This is because Protestants go around saying religion is not important, just relationship. Little they know religion means connection between God and man (relationship).

[@row1landr]

You are correct, may I please suggest the Catholic Lighthouse CD called Religionless Spirituality; a talk given by Dr Tim Gray. It is possible that you may find it on KZbin, as I have seen other "lighthouse " talks there....talks by Tim Staples, John Bergsma, Tim Gray, Edward Sri, Brandt Pitre, Steve Ray, and Scott Hahn, etc.. Also, I just listened to one of these CD'S, a talk by Scott Hahn on the issue of the day....no one is in hell, and hell may not even exist ....what nonsense! Bishop Robert Barron likes to push this heresy down our throats. .. well, the title of the talk is Why is there hell? Anyway, someone put a little disclaimer at the end stating that only God knows the destination of the soul of Judas. WELL, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD, GOD HIMSELF SAID, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF HE HAD NEVER BEEN BORN! That doesn't sound like destination Heaven to me. I would truly suggest all of the Catholic Lighthouse CD'S. They are so wonderful! !!!! I feel that when I was growing up in the early 70s, this notion of keep your religion to yourself, religion is private, etc., is what was put into place by the wicked men in the hiarchy, in order to squash any questions or concerns that the people may have had with the changes that came from Vatican ll. I began to realize these troubles when I read the story of Bella Dodd. With the help of the most Venerable Archbishop Fulton J Sheen, she repented and told her story of how she help communists and homosexuals infiltrate the church. Really? ??? My mom told me that when the Vatican 2 council was over, her generation was told never to question anything and that the Vatican documents are so above your heads, you would never understand it anyways. Wow, talk about suppression of the mind. They were literally like robots, obeying orders. I am so glad that this whole sexual abuse thing is coming out and we need to claim our Catholic Church back! We need more reverence and quiet prayerful worship in our sanctuaries, along with the body of Christ in the tabernacle back on the high alter, where he belongs!!! Also, the abuse of the use of Eucharistic ministers needs to stop. The alter rail needs to come back , the missing kneelers need to come back....... One last thing I would recommend reading is a document commissioned by Pope John Paul II on the abuses taking place during the litergy of the Eucharist and his demand that these abuses stop. Cardinal Arinze talks about these abuses on KZbin. The document is called Redemptionis Sacramentum and this document is mostly ignored by American Bishops and priests. God bless you!

[@johnrooney507]

@Andrê Visser The Roman Rite is one of the seven in the Catholic Church, and the Pope is not the sole connection to God.

[@johnrooney507]

@Andrê Visser You refered to the RCC as if it was the only one, and I thought you should know that the Catholic Church has six other rites within the Catholic Church. Read the lives of the saints, all had a relation to God through the Church, and sacraments, as well as a personal/ private prayer life.

[@johnrooney507]

@Andrê Visser Millions of connections.

[@RGTomoenage11]

Andrê Visser The pope is just the pastor of the church on earth.

[@rosiegirl2485]

I love hearing Dr. Brant Pitre speak! He has a way of speaking, that us less educated, can truly understand! Plus, he always has funny little jokes! 🌹

[@TimSchroeder]

Well done. As always, much enjoyed and appreciated. Very informative and explained clearly. Your videos much like you writings are a huge help in the personal growth and understanding of mine and others theological development. Keep up the great work.

[@drjanitor3747]

Luther wanted to throw the book of James into the fire because it contradicted him.

[@okie1630]

Oh My God, spare me of the evil one, as deceiver is nearby as a roaring lion looking who to consume!

[@marcokite]

@Patrick Montgomery - yes he did! the heretic Luther wanted, in his arrogance to throw out books from the NT which contradicted his heresies. also around 3 other books

[@josephjackson1956]

Patrick Montgomery Luther tried to suppress Holy Scripture by taking out books that had explicit themes on things he didn't agree with, like praying for the dead and purgatory. That's why only Roman Catholics believe in these things because they were the ones who taught them first before the Protestant Reformation happened and all the different denominations were created; Luther just didn't want to listen to Jesus' Church anymore so he made his own!

[@Boxed4Y]

Nice job Dr. Pitre.

[@adeleajeh3665]

Life changing video... Thank u.

[@johncastello5653]

Very good, is there a way to view other chapters please

[@mazikode]

Thanks for explaining

[@josephzammit8483]

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[@russellkandalaft1381]

I will never forget the part in Huckleberry Finn. The story of the Grangfords and the Shepherdsons. They were like the Hatfields and the McCoys. They would go to the same church and on the way home take shots at each other.

[@robokane1187]

Saying you're spiritual but not religious is like saying you're a fan but not a player [of a sport]. In the end it's the players who get the rewards. God invites us all to be players.

[@billythebeard6055]

As my personal understanding that James is implying that to the church members as their neighbors and once they do practice that in church, then the church knows that they do practice charity outside of the church. The world needs to see the love (charity) within the church to know that God is with them. And yes, this is still happening today. This well-known slogan, "I'm spiritual, not religious." Is a very tricky thing that the old Devil knows that this is one of many of his tricks up in his sleeves. This can be applied to the New Agers since they do say the same thing.

[@szu2d]

Thank you

[@BestIsntEasy]

17 “Don’t touch me,” he cautioned, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them that I ascend to my Father and your Father, ✡ my God and your God.✡” John 20:17 Living Bible (TLB) Luke 18:19 “Do you realize what you are saying when you call me ‘good’?” Jesus asked him. *“Only God is truly good, and no one else.* Matthew 19:17 “When you call me good you are calling me God,” Jesus replied, “for *God alone is truly good.* But to answer your question, you can get to heaven if you keep the commandments.” Mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked. *“Only God is truly good!**God's Messengers* [4:163] We have inspired you, as we inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And we inspired Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, the Patriarchs, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon. And we gave David the Psalms. *Mathematical Confirmation* [3:59] The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was. *No Intercession* [2:254] O you who believe, you shall give to charity from the provisions we have given to you, before a day comes where there is no trade, no nepotism, and no intercession. The disbelievers are the unjust. *2:254 One of Satan's clever tricks is attributing the power of intercession to powerless human idols such as Jesus and Muhammad (Appendix 8). www.submission.org Figure the Cost 25-27 One day when large groups of people were walking along with him, Jesus turned and told them, *“Anyone who comes to me but refuses to let go of father, mother, spouse, children, brothers, sisters-yes, even one’s own self!-can’t be my disciple.* Anyone who won’t shoulder his own cross and follow behind me can’t be my disciple. Luke 14:25-27 The Message 💃🔱🗽🔱💃 Jesus WAS the way truth and life; Muhammad WAS a messenger. THE BUCK STOPS WITH US! 🔺 It'll cost you kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3u0gHWDnpmEiZo EVERYTHING 🔻 🕯 *I SHIT AND PISS IN A PAIL FOR EACH OF YOU! I'm buried in trash, no running water and early '18 is the last meal I shared.* *ALL who remain physical are part of MY BODY!* Forgotten 🎶 kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ7GgYWHaK2Wmpo Promises.

[@jamesangle817]

When devotion is to whom-ever is upon a stage?

[@johnrooney507]

What does bridle his tongue mean in the verse; avoiding gossip, lies, slander, and profanity?

[@CatholicProductions]

It would be inclusive of that, yes.

[@johnrooney507]

@@CatholicProductions I've met fellow mass going Catholics for whom profanity was a normal part of speech; something got missed.

[@johnrooney507]

@EUCHARISTforLIFE Amen Oh of course, but I can better understand their lack of understanding.

[@paulmiller3469]

Sins of the tongue are not a Catholic or Orthodox or Protestant problem exclusively, but a human problem we should all guard against.

[@johnrooney507]

@@paulmiller3469 Some humans don't consider certain actions sin at all so it is good to learn how to know, live, and relate truth.

[@fabitobueno5414]

Perfect

[@MasterKeyMagic]

This is half the reason why martin luther didn't want James taught (and probably removed in the bible). the other reason is because the only time faith alone (a doctrine he made up) appears in the bible is in James when he says we are saved NOT by faith alone

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

We are saved by grace through faith and this not of ourselves as it is a free gift of God,not by works so no one can boast. Ephesians 2;8, We are justified by faith which gives us peace with God . Romans 5:1. Justified means just as if we never sinned. Abraham believed God and it was accredited to him that he was righteous.Faith is never alone but always is accompanied by works . The new believers go out telling the gospel of Jesus Christ and healing the sick-and become living stones of the spiritual temple 1 Peter 2:4-10

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

Matt Blaise I was only quoting scriptures. Ephesians 2:8;9 and Romans 5:1 We are saved by grace ( undeserved favor) through faith (believing in Jesus and joining his team) and this not of ourselves but is a free gift of god.. Good works are always the fruit of salvation.Saving faith is never alone but always accompanied by works as mentioned in John 14:12.The first works that Jesus mentioned is to be baptized into Jesus and being filled with the Holy Spirit. Did you get baptized after believing.?

[@wickedhenderson4497]

Sean Rath Matt was quoting scripture too

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

Wicked Henderson amen Matt is just agreeing with god’s word Yes we’re saved by grace through faith ( believing and trusting in Jesus) Grace really means what Jesus did on Calvary 2000 years ago. We access that grace through deciding to follow Jesus and putting all our trust in Jesus and joining Jesus team. We get baptized into Jesus and filled with the Holy Spirit Acts 2:38.

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

Brooks Lee I am only quoting scriptures. We all need a savior or else we will perish. We all have a choice whether to believe scriptures or our denominations The Protestants and Catholics need a savior. We all need to be snatched from darkness to light and this can only happen by calling on Jesus directly as saint Peter tells us in Acts 2 onwards 4:12 salvation is only found in Jesus and not in any denomination. Call on Jesus directly and have eternal life John 3:16. All blessings in Jesus name to you and your family and ministry in Jesus name

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

Brooks Lee You are right we have to take all scriptures in context. Jesus said man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the word of God. Have you received your free gift of forgiveness and salvation yet.? The wages of sin is death ( eternal separation from God) But the free gift of god is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord and savior. Romans 6:23. John 3:16. The thief next to Jesus received his free gift of forgiveness and salvation. Luke 23:34-44. Romans 10:9-13. Study the verses carefully and call on Jesus directly to forgive you

[@siyabongamahaye3946]

In most cases ( my experince), spiritual but not religious is used by people when they mean to say 'I love God but not Jesus'

[@74soll]

Being Catholic is difficult.

[@user-fb2jb3gz1d]

How so?

[@74soll]

@@user-fb2jb3gz1d High moral standards.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

​@74soll if we fail, just know God doesn't want us to stay in failure but to get up and try again. It's only by grace and God's help we can do what is right. Let us strive towards living out God's will for our lives, even if it seems impossible, we must try and we must pray. I'm also a failure morally but that doesn't mean God wants me to give up. On the contrary.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

​@@74sollare you catholic, sir or madam?

[@74soll]

@@prayunceasingly2029 Yes, very much so.

[@danamalar]

Thanks again Dr. Pitre, 👌 *There is another form of religion-Catholicism- with disobedience, rather hatred for Peter of Rome and preference for following worship in only traditional way alongwith charity for religion sake, mostly in a tokenistic way is emerging* It is distressing to see such a scenario, mostly with American clergy, Phd's in theology, prominent authors and laity who stubbornly abhor Holy Father and Vatican II reforms and assume themselves as practicing true religion. They are very vocal about this in social media. If you read the comments against Holy Father in their You tube videos, it is sheer hooliganism of so called Christians. *Judgement day awaits them based on their own writings, speeches and horrendous comments.* Church is a militant church in this world, however, this militancy is misunderstood as attacking holy father and almost all of his writings, twisting his every word out of context, and spreading calumny against him at every given opportunity. It is like fighting a batttle for the King- Jesus Christ- yet refusing to obey the captain in the battlefield. *What would happen?, even by the standard of this secular world, for such a disobedience ?* *will the King reward those who fight, not alongside, but against the captain at the end of the battle ???* *let those holy and pious, who relentlessly attack holy father, ask this question in front of the blessed sacrament* 🙏🙏

[@stephenpaulwilson6496]

Jebamalai Danabal Hallelujah and Amen x

[@josephinelojingkiscc]

Sad of the situation. frm Malaysia

[@MikereMio]

My brother/ sister Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. So his teachings can't be changed by Pope, cardinal or bishop, thier job is only hand down apostolic teaching . Why the man you try to defend trying to change the teaching of our Lord on marriage, or moral ... do you believe God was wrong to condemn sodomites , and he is fine with it today.

[@eddixxon]

Galatians 2:11-14 Paul Confronts Peter 11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. 12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. 13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions? Yep, the pope can be reprimanded and confronted if he is in the wrong side of the faith. It's biblical! And he did wrong because of James' disciples, the very person who teachings we are focusing on ....🤣🤣🤣. Anyway, his epistle is canonised, therefore, it's the inspired Word of God!

[@danamalar]

@@MikereMio Holy father is not acting against God, whatever he does he is having authority and we should understand it with prayer before Eucharist not with wrong and misleading criticism of self righteous theologians . pl see , what happened to Aaron and Miriam when they protested against Moses, God told them that they should obey Moses as they obey God , Miriam was punished with leprosy and Moses was the one who saved his sister's life with his prayer. Yes Moses did mistake and punished by God by not entering the promised land, but Moses was always close to Him, he met Jesus at Transfiguration, he was not abandoned or demoted. God never , never allows any other to protest, demean or judge His appointed authority , that will be detrimental.

[@johnp.6043]

2Tim.2:15 There’s one verse in the bible that tells you to study your bible and rightly dividing the word of truth (KJV). The whole book is the word of truth but it’s not all your truth. Somethings belongs to Israel, somethings belong to the body of Christ, that’s why it must be rightly divided. You need to have an intelligent understanding of God’s word. (Times past=Genesis- acts 9 ) (Now=Romans- Phil.)(Ages to come =Hebrews to Rev.) the Bible cannot contradict itself. Ephesians 2:8-9 we’re saved by grace through faith Not of works, it’s a gift of God. James 2:20 Faith plus works for salvation. People fail to read the first verse in James to the twelve tribes in Israel .Jews in the Tribulation Period. The author of this video is a very intelligent person but he is not rightly dividing the word of truth. This is not from a denominational religion.. Following the whole bible is your decision. Today we do not have blood animal sacrifice for sin atonement, unless you believe in dispensation. I believe you do?

[@johnp.6043]

Correction:You must believe in Dispensation or you will have to do animal Scarface to follow exactly what the Bible says.

[@wickedhenderson4497]

Actually he is correct and you aren’t

[@DroppyTup]

​​@@wickedhenderson4497It's true, but don't put him down. Pray for him. I'll pray 3 Hail Marys for him.

[@wickedhenderson4497]

@@DroppyTup I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I don’t see any putdowns but also it’s been four years and it looks like some comments must’ve been deleted. But I’m on board with your point

[@tonymurillo4651]

Wow! This is some serious stuff.

[@glennlanham6309]

Oh that bad, bad James and his "works-righteousness!!!", hey it's in the Bible man....

[@seanthompson5077]

Glenn Lanham James wasn’t talking to us.

[@RumorHazi]

Sean Thompson Martin Luther didn't like it either! I wonder why? Doesn't quite fit that Sola Fide narrative does it? Luther called it, "an epistle of straw" and he wanted to remove it, along with Jude, half of Hebrews, and Revelation. (Luther actually DID remove the Deuterocanonical texts) That's how a REAL Protestant rolls! Don't like something? Kick it to the curb and say YOU know how to "interpret" the Word in a better and more convenient way. In actuality, what they are doing is allowing a system to be created where they can behave how they wish and still feel as though their immortal souls are not in jeopardy for going against the teachings of God and His Church. Period. And when you tell them that? Well, you can lose your head. Ask Saint Thomas More, he'll tell you all about it.

[@paulmiller3469]

@@RumorHazi While James gets to the issue most explicitly, Paul clearly wasn't a faith-alone proponent, either. "...if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing."

[@glennlanham6309]

@@paulmiller3469 Plus in Romans he speaks of the "obedience of faith"......

[@paulmiller3469]

@@glennlanham6309 I suspect the apostles might be quite surprised and frustrated to see efforts now to separate faith from obedience (what we do, hopefully). You see it again and again, especially in the four Gospels, where Jesus seems to conflate (obviously correctly, if that's what He's doing) the two. In other words, it seems like people now want faith to just be a mental acceptance where the Gospel writers seem to use the word more like faithfulness or fidelity. When a spouse is worried his or her other half may be unfaithful, the question is not about what that other half believes. In the Marine Corps, the motto is semper fidelis. It's about how a Marine conducts himself, which stems from what he believes.

[@johns1834]

The Freemasons do good works to help their fellow man, but deny Jesus is necessary for salvation.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

Jesus Teaches Gods Ethics in Matthew 5 6 7. That is what is required for Salvation. That is the only True Religion. The rest of the "religions" are creations of Man.

[@jerrytang3146]

Wharton: What, you another Protestant minister?

[@kathleenwharton2139]

@po18guy Sure is! A book written by Men. Jesus is Living Water..He is Not a Book.

[@raniarania2749]

5:10 ** but those who disbelieve and deny our signs , those are the companions of the hellfire ** HOLY QUR'AN

[@seanthompson5077]

Moulay Jalti “An evil and adulterous generation seeks a sign.” Jesus.

[@MikereMio]

Muhammad was false prophet . What kind of God Mr Allah who promise us earthly things like coach , green robes bracelet and sexual pleasure in heaven.

[@DarkAngel-cj6sx]

Sorry, I have read the coran and there is nothing holy in there. Maybe you should look up dr Nabeel( RIP) and you will learn why he left Islam. There is no one who is truly seeking the truth that can stick to the book. Do not look at traditions and leave all kind of wanting to dominate other people and call upon God to show you the truth and He will show you.

[@seanthompson5077]

James wasn’t talking to us.

[@seanthompson5077]

Marty Paul was taking to us. James wasn’t. Haven’t heard the word moron since junior high. You’re brilliant!

[@paulmiller3469]

That's an interesting rationale for objection. On what do you base that statement?

[@seanthompson5077]

Paul Miller By Jame’s own words, he said who he was writing to, “to the 12 tribes scattered abroad.” He was specifically writing his letter to the Jews.

[@paulmiller3469]

@@seanthompson5077 This could be an interpretation issue. If we are now descendants of Abraham, which God raised up from the stones and (mixing metaphors) grafted us onto those Jewish vines, then we could be viewed as among the 12 tribes awaiting the New Jerusalem.

[@paulmiller3469]

@@seanthompson5077 Besides, I'm betting 1) that quite a bit of your theology is based on St. Paul's letter to the Romans, and 2) you most likely weren't born in Rome.

[@chosenskeptic5319]

Don’t need religion, just god, he never stole from me or lied to me

[@user-fb2jb3gz1d]

You obviously didn't watch the entire video

[@chosenskeptic5319]

🤔 listen to the entire video again. Let me clarify this in a complete way to prevent misunderstanding of my view. don’t need modern religion which is dominated by propaganda and apologetics to walk with God.

[@user-fb2jb3gz1d]

@@chosenskeptic5319 I understand your point. Can you show me where, in the Bible, it affirms your claim? Because, I can show where it has groups of people, coming together to worship, pray and learn about the word I can show you where people do worship and pray alone, in secret. But to not be a part of a group because of scandals, I haven't read that. The new testament is full of letters to groups that are shady. Jesus even pointed out the scandals with the Pharisees. But Jesus didn't tell the people to not listen to them nor did Jesus say to not go and worship, pray and to learn the word in the temples. This is what I have read so far. I'm curious to where you got your views

[@chosenskeptic5319]

Q 🤔 worship I don’t have a problem with, it’s the abundant propaganda and apologetics that are self justifying where “the means justify the ends”. What happened to being honest?

[@user-fb2jb3gz1d]

@@chosenskeptic5319 can you give an example of a propaganda issue? And everyone uses apologetics, it means to defend one's belief. If you think there should not be christians debating with other christians on whether their interpretation is correct and the other is wrong, then I agree. Simply because, there is only 1 correct interpretation, yet, there are over 33,000 christian denominations. But everyone uses apologetics, to some degree. That's just how is goes That's no reason to avoid organized religion And please give the scripture that I asked for. About where you get your views from If you believe in the Bible, you must of gotten your views from it. I'm just interested in where those views are, in the Bible. Cause I did mention that people did in fact, gather together, in the Bible.

[@rohag735]

Listen to the Orthodox church. They will tell you that they are the one and only true church. They can trace themselves all the way back to the Apostles. They will also use the Bible to prove their point.

[@AveChristusRex]

The Bible that says Christ founded the Church on Peter, which they reject?

[@rohag735]

@@AveChristusRex Orthodox History Begins with Pentecost Much of what occurred in the early years of the church has been documented in the New Testament. Officially, the history of the church begins at Pentecost, which is documented in the Acts of the Apostles and took place in 33 A.D. During Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles and the people who had gathered and they began to speak in tongues. Today, the Orthodox Church celebrates this event fifty days after Pascha. Apostles Travel to Spread Christianity In Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus gave the Apostles what is known as “The Great Commission” amongst Biblical scholars. In that passage, he told them to “go, make disciples of all nations.” Filled with the Holy Spirit, the Apostles traveled extensively to lead people to Christ and to build churches. The Apostle Paul, for example, traveled to Asia Minor, Greece, and even to Rome. Persecution and Martyrdom of Christians It was also during this time when Christians were heavily persecuted and martyred. Though persecution and martyrdom of Orthodox Christians still happens today, it was a very frequent occurrence during the first few hundred years of the Church. Yet, despite that, the number of believers continued to grow. Emperor Constantine I - Constantine the Great Emperor Constantine I is listed as a saint in the Orthodox Church because he legitimized Christianity in the Roman Empire and made persecution of Christians illegal. In 313 A.D. he enacted the Edict of Milan, which stated that Christians would be able to practice their faith without harm or oppression. A Christian himself, he declared his faith when he was around forty years old. Prior to this Edict, the Roman Empire was one of the heaviest persecutors of Christians and many of them were martyred. The Byzantine Church Emperor Constantine moved his residence to a new city, which he named Constantinople after himself. Eventually, Constantinople became the capital of Byzantium, which is where the Byzantine Church eventually had its center. Later on, the Turks renamed the city Istanbul and the head of the Orthodox Christian Church is still located there today. The Orthodox Christian Church has a rich history, which has its roots with Jesus. When He commissioned His Apostles to “make disciples of all nations,” they traveled the world to form churches. The Orthodox Church that exists today is the same one that the Apostles set up over two thousand years ago.

[@AveChristusRex]

​@@rohag735 The schismatic sect now known as the Orthodox Church is separated from Rome. The apostolic fathers said that "all churches must be in agreement with that church." Before about the 11th century, the Eastern Church was Catholic/Orthodox. The modern schismatic sect now known by 'Orthodox' rejects the doctrine they always accepted, in the Ecumenical Councils etc. "Peter has spoken through Pope Leo." "Rome has spoken, the matter is settled." Jesus Christ said, "Thou art Rock [Kepha], and UPON THIS rock [kepha] I will build my Church." It's simple: those who reject this are not Catholic or orthodox. They reject Jesus Christ and are schismatic heretics.

[@Kitiwake]

@@rohag735 Then why bother with the apostles even though they where chosen before pentecost? Peter was the appointed one and received the keys of the kingdom, is the most mentioned apostle in the new testament at 195 times. Far in excess of the next nearest apostle, John.

[@Moe-xg6bu]

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[@Moe-xg6bu]

Doomed roofs milking many days tits up real soon