Spirituality & Depression: A Conversation with author Johann Hari

With rates of depression and anxiety rising - skyrocketing during the pandemic - we’re all looking for a quick fix.But a quick fix doesn’t get to the root of the problem as author Johann Hari details in his book, "Lost Connections: Why You’re Depressed and How to Find Hope."
Suffering from depression for most of his life, Hari set out to study why so many are struggling and what he came up with, his 9 causes of depression, is spot-on.
This is a topic that’s close to my heart - something I’ve spoken and written about for years and I couldn’t be happier to have this discussion with Johann. We talk about our struggles with depression, habits you can build to lessen the severity when the sadness strikes and how society and government contributes to people’s despair.
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[@clairbliss]

“Human Beings are Mysteries to be Loved, not Problems to be Solved” ...

[@michealeckert499]

Yes they deserved that

[@ianmwangi4591]

✊🏿

[@gmc8810]

Wish more people would feel that way.

[@williamoarlock8634]

Only the privileged can believe that.

[@williamoarlock8634]

@@gmc8810 I certainly don't.

[@TheGayStoic]

Johann and Marianne hit a home run with this one. To see pain as a sign that one is actually functional is indeed revolutionary in this day and age. Yet it's a perspective that we desperately need to normalize!

[@andrewblake2254]

R. D. Laing was talking about this fifty or more years ago.

[@susanaalvarezpalau2130]

I am amazed how many young people under 25 are still given anxiety or antidepressives by doctors. Thanks for helping us understand more about depression and ways to improve our mental health. We should learn through our families or schools how to listen to our bodies. The power to heal is within us.

[@kal2487]

So many gems in here!!! From personal experience, I spent several decades with anxiety and depression and intense emotional pain. It came from fairly severe childhood abuse. I am feeling better and more empowered, BUT...after years of therapists, psychiatrists and spiritual groups, not one person said, "I'm so sorry that happened to you. You are right to have your pain, what you experienced was wrong and you should have been protected." Because that validation never came, for a long time I thought perhaps the abuse wasn't as severe as I thought or maybe something was wrong with me, or I just deserved the abuse. Perhaps that's wasn't the message they intended to send, but because they refused to take any kind of stand, I had no benchmark to understand how sick my background was and therefore why I was in so much pain. So it took me a very long time to heal. I'm fairly befuddled by why this simplest of validations, which would have reduced much of my suffering, was never offered. I know psych professionals are trained not to make value judgements, but perhaps that's part of the problem... neutral unconditional positive regard needs to be balanced with values. Finally, I had to give the validation to myself and I became empowered in that way...but this still needs to be addressed in the healing professions.

[@suzannearcher4028]

Beautiful Soul...You were deserving of love, protection as a child, it was not your fault. Being born you are a triumph. You are worthy & beautiful & happy to know you are alive & well. Thank you 👏🏾🌹

[@michealeckert499]

Hi

[@dad_bob14]

I have not even watched this yet but I am SOOO happy that this conversation is 2 hours long. I am a huge fan of Johann Hari.

[@BeautifulSpirit-kf5ld]

52:30 Brought tears for me, trying to hug an officer. So they arrest him. I am now living homeless for the first time, at age 59 ( I lost my home, job and my brother, in the covid period). I get judged and mocked all the time . This discussion touches my heart.

[@cailin8580]

My sincere condolences for your loss. I hope things turn around for you soon, you are in my prayers.Much love and God bless. ❤

[@upendasana7857]

I think Marianne made a very good point about how when the "natural order"tries to reassert itself then the forces which would have us remain divided and seperate and isolated and often at odds with each other come into play with various levels of violence.It is so true how alienated we have become from the very real sources of satisfaction and joy and meaning.

[@heavenwithin81]

Marianne I remember reading A return to love 20 years ago. A traumatic event happened shortly after, I fell into illness, went into a deep forgetfulness and I stopped reading your material completely. I saw you again on Russell Brand's podcast briefly and now I'm listening to your podcast. My God did I ever need to hear this conversation today. I feel like we're in this interim stage between the old passing away and the process of birthing into the new reality...One that is returning us to more sanity and true connection.

[@dianelamorticella6053]

Return to Love! Wow!! I have a copy of that book and I had the tape! I was listening to it in my car in the 90’s! Woot woot❤️

[@naomisims7230]

Sometimes we convince ourselves we don't need people due to the deep pain we have experienced from others...but it doesn't change the deep need humans have for caring, human contact. We are made that way, & we can't escape/isolate that need without spiraling even deeper into depression. We have to find or be lead to those people that care, honest & humble, willing to open themselves to us & show themselves to be there when we really need them. We must also be willing to open ourselves & be willing to give the same to them. A relationship is a two way street. Some of us have never experienced an honest, caring, equal two way relationship, & we have to learn what that is & how to accomplish that. A 12 step group or ANY group meetings that follow the same rules of the 12 step groups would be a "safe" place to start. Those meetings literally saved my life in my darkest hour. Groups on the internet are good for keeping in touch & scoping out groups you're interested in, but I don't think internet meetings are the answer. I feel nothing can take the place of physical, face to face contact, & the interaction with a group of "friends of like minds" afterward, going out for coffee or a meal together.

[@jitske2587]

Thank you for this talk. I struggled with depression and anxiety for about 10 years (im 30). Last year I finally went to a doctor. I got diagnosed with Autism and Adhd. I take methylphenidate and a small dose of antidepressants. It definitely works… but i see it as a temporary solution. I know I need to work on my spiritual health and connection to people, so one day i can go without it. I agree with you, Johann and Marianne… but after feeling so much pain for so many years, I am so happy to have medication that makes everything lighter and makes me relax.

[@leighn.8670]

Fantastic thank you for this talk. Loved Johann's book Lost Connections. Simply attributing depression to a chemical imbalance, without addressing the issues which caused the imbalance in the first place..... is a real travesty.

[@Movin4Ward24]

Thank you for being my Teacher today, Stay Blessed ❤

[@dreamlife2351]

Their conversation is so valuable. Both are brilliant and caring. Much respect and love 🕊

[@cprovence6560]

The slow loss of humanity ... has accelerated frighteningly since at the age of 13 watching the original black'n white version of "The Invasion of the body snatchers" on TV in the late 1950's ... It left a profound impact on me ... bodies without feelings absolutely disturbed me ... somehow I knew as messy and all over the place, that feelings were ... the foundation for a conscious humanity ... listening to this great dialogue conversation reminded me of that movie ... there have been 3 remakes and I see one more on the way ... I haven't watched all the remakes, but researched them after listening to this podcast ... the 90's were full of vampire movies, TV shows and more recently we have gone throw the Zombie theme ... for me they all represented an out-of-balance humanity in mind and the numbing of feelings and compassionate spirit ... I heard Judy Skutch and a male counter part from their Inner Peace Foundation talk at Unity Church in Sacramento sometime in the late 70's early 80's ... Reverend Philip Pearson was an early and big fan of the Course material ... As you got into the work, you also spoke at Sacramento Unity sometime later... You were inspired and have been an inspiration ... coming a long way ... blessings as we all navigate the choppy waters we find ourselves in... Also, the talk with Dr. Gabor Mate' all dove-tails into our need of much greater awareness of trauma and the emotional healing that is desperately needed now... Thank you, blessings... Carol

[@iamrodneyy]

Having suffered from depression from the age of 15, and at a particularly bad time around the age of 33, I gave in to trying the anti-depressants after years of being adamant about not taking anything I could become dependent on or simply not wanting to put a pharmaceutical in my body. They did nothing for me, and, a side effect was craving junk food. That freaked me out because I was a health fanatic. After a while I decided I wanted off but each time I tried the depression was so bad I could barely function. I decided to get an acupuncture session. The day after the session, I stopped taking the prozac and zoloft without a problem. I was on the highest dose possible. I continued with the acupuncture from many weeks. For anyone trying to get off but can't, I highly suggest giving acupuncture a try.

[@ireda9031]

I absolutely LOVED his book. Thank you for having him on. Such a voice of reason

[@dad_bob14]

I was up late watching Richard Wolff on KZbin 35 minutes after this was uploaded. Guess I'm staying up til 2:30 🤘🏽

[@monatinnell4570]

Marianne, I feel like I’ve known you my whole life. I started reading your books nearly 20 years ago. During your Oprah days.You never fail me. I like many others are going through emotional pain also. I want to thank you so much for being the voice I cling to then and now. I can only hope that those who may or maybe not suffering can find their Marianne to help balance their life on the personal journey they are experiencing. Thank You again Marianne for your complete honesty for each of us to absorb. 😘

[@TheGayStoic]

Thank you Marianne and Johann. This is a much needed conversation 🙏🏾❤️

[@joanhalgren3502]

Deepak Chopra would agree with the view that one needs to get to root suffering since that's what can truly resolve one's emotional pain! No anti-depressants are needed for the normal experiences encountered in life: they cover the truth. Indeed, pain does make natural sense and is relevant to transformation! We are not robots yet. And I totally agree with Williamson's perspective as well as Hari's too. In many ways, our so-called psychology practitioners have failed to be truly honest, including the purveyors of chemicals to mask the human soul from evolution. Wonderful podcast Marianne!

[@gracefrank6656]

Only 30 minutes in and while this subject matter may be obvious to some it’s definitely not to the masses. It’s of the utmost value and importance to openly discuss the nonsense of the meaninglessness of status culture and advertising of material things that don’t matter. We’ve gotten away from what really matters in life.

[@jcszot]

Absolutely!

[@angelachristie2803]

Thank you Marianne and Johann , comman sense coming back , praise God . Much love ❤️ God bless you both 🙏

[@sarahcouture24]

Johann is such a brilliant and eloquent writer/speaker. He has such an important and urgent message for this mixed up, depressed world and I appreciate his contribution to reduce individual suffering on a societal level. I love him so much! 💜💜💜

[@sharonmassey2923]

Many years ago, I had cause to do a deep dive into what psychiatry was all about, and was left feeling nothing but contempt for the enterprise. A book I read back then that came to mind while I've been listening is "Toxic Psychiatry", written by a psychiatrist whose name I couldn't remember. I actually only read about half the book, because I was so disgusted and horrified by what I was reading. The next day was quite the stunning coincidence, because when I opened KZbin, I saw "Dr. Peter Breggin's Truth over Fear Presentation", the author of the book, and I'd never come across him before on YT. So of course I had to listen. I paused when he said this about 7 mins. in: "I was pretty much at the top of the food chain in psychiatry...it really is a food chain, and the food are the consumers of psychiatry...but the force and the pressure behind it all is the pharmaceutical industry." A bit later he said that after his training, "I realized that the psychiatry I knew...it was a mix of [list of therapies]...was becoming nothing more than a sales arm of the pharmaceutical industry. This was 1968." Marianne, I'm thinking that you (and Johann?) might want to have a chat with Dr. Breggin.

[@billiverschoore2466]

Thank you for the Breggin pointer 🌳🕊💚

[@Thequietestquiet2875]

If you call a crisis line because you are in distress they will ask you if you have ever felt you would be better off dead. Many people have felt that way but it doesn't mean they are suicidal. Then they will send cops to your house, have you locked up and forced to take drugs. How is this humane or helpful? I will never call a crisis line again.

[@sharonmassey2923]

@@Thequietestquiet2875 I'm so sorry that happened to you. "Great" way to further traumatize someone who is already in a state of trauma. They/the system seem to do nothing but make everything worse!

[@kristinvolkfunk1009]

This is one of the most compassionate and thoughtful conversations I’ve been blessed to witness. Thank you both so much.

[@lisaderubio1709]

I’m missing hugs, human touch is very important. Covid and the social distancing is crippling our souls. I saw myself in so much you’ve spoken about. Thank you both…. I will be speaking with my psychiatrist next appointment, I’ll even recommend she watches this podcast. That will explain why I want off of them. ✨♥️✨

[@MsOceanstar]

Thank you so so much Marianne for your incredible show, great guest. You are my teacher! You are a Bodisattva! Your answer to the question from young man who doesn’t yet know how to incorporate the humanistic value into his life is so perfect! Your answer should be made into a poster! Yes…indeed, practice is the path, but rightful intensions must first be brought to consciousness. And you are bringing consciousness on …so needed in our times. Another mass shooting recently, 07/04/2022! I am trying to not be 8n despair. And so happened that I wore your campaign T-shirt this morning, and i saw this podcast on my feed. Love you so much, Marianne 🙏❤️🙏

[@christyburton8309]

Mr. Hari - You are a REMARKIBLE MAN !🙏🏼I cannot tell you what this information has ‘Lifted off me”☁️ . That you have Gathered all of this YOURSELF is so strong 💪. I too have been the same in our peticular ‘sadness. From the bottom of my ❤️ your videos/podcasts etc. are healing to me. May God always bless and keep you always Johann🕊 KNOW sir, this: You are saving Lives ! Sincerely, Christiane B.

[@travelinghuntress5725]

Thank you so much for this talk. I have listened to Hari before but in this podcast, I am really impressed with the depth of his insightfulness. This is a topic I am exploring now and both said things that resonated with me in a deep way. Thank you for not being afraid to have such an honest talk.

[@mariselamoreno5787]

Marianne, thank you so much for this conversation! 🙏🏻😊❤️

[@suzannearcher4028]

I learned from you Marianne, that when the time is right , the right information comes... This was ‘SO’ on time. Blessings to you & your guest One Love👏🏾🌹🌟

[@veranichole1981]

I have a long list of disorders like your girl from your talk. When I’ve complained against labels what I’ve heard back is basically that insurance companies won’t pay to fix someone who isn’t broken so you have to be diagnosed with something. That is the broken system we built. You can’t need help for what happened to you only for what is wrong with you. So many times I’ve had to be told not to pay attention to the label or to keep it from getting me to heal. That is the tragedy because I don’t care who you are being told you have a laundry list of problems others you. It separates you from any kind of community. It keeps you broken forever because those labels don’t go away.

[@margaretking5783]

Amazing to come across this conversation, after a long time of trying to understand the tragedy’s that I have experienced in my life. This has been so helpful. Thank you both.

[@houmandehdashtidmd9078]

Thank you so much for this wonderful guest and your input . Decades of dealing with this, I know exactly what is being addressed here. A lot of answers that confirms what I came to know.

[@DoItWrightRo]

First 15 minutes in and I subscribed and rewound the episode. What you said resonated with me in 15 minutes! The most profound statement being that life will have moments of sadness that we NEED to go through. There's a message there. Depression medicine has the black box warning for anyone over 25. We want a quick "fix", including myself, that we lose focus of the natural energy that ones body inherently goes through facing life in general. THANK YOU! I'm in IOP now and I will share your channel along with Mr. Hari.

[@nancyclothier3680]

This is what I have been intuitively known about depression! At first, I bought the fact that I was " clinically depressed", that I had a " chemical imbalance". I found that if I missed my antidepressants for 1 day, I would feel really crazy. Now I am trying to get off the SsRI's, with no help from my PCP. I have gone down from 20 mg., to 15mg. and now 10mg. I'm trying to figure out my next step. I know the tapering near the end can be hardest. I am about to see a naturopathy dr., who was a regular doc, but became disillusioned bt " the system". I'm hopeful to get real help with her helping me. .

[@haniamritdas4725]

Thank you. Martín Prechtel says that grief is a way of honoring what we have lost, and so is an expression of love for what we had. It is good, not something to be denied or avoided. Your words remind and resonate with that.

[@Sinead-Gallagher]

Thank God for you both. Thank you both. I felt a drop of the depth of my longing for communitas in this convo. An insight towards the right action followed in which I can take towards being that longing. Space carved. Love and thanks 🙏☀️

[@TeaRose9]

So on point. Depression is caused by hopelessness and overwhelm.

[@n.mckenzie9982]

God bless Marianne and Johann! So relevant - so necessary.

[@lynnhaynes7715]

One of the best interviews I have listened to this year. An eye opener in every way. Thank you.

[@spiralsun1]

My life is about helping people and unifying the world by showing them meaning. You said that your nausea saved your life. Well I want to let you know that commerce and wealth are EXTREMELY important to the future of us all. We have a larger task and a larger picture to consider. The idea of individual happiness is subservient and not really the goal. People who have children have been shown to be less happy than people who don’t. So if happiness is the aim, we go extinct. I feel that reinterpretation of what is happiness, what life is, can easily unite the world and serve humanity. It begins and ends in actual truth. Seeing and understanding larger patterns to life. The spiritual importance of every single one of us. I love that you see and so eloquently point out that connection, REAL connections are so important! We have to find a way that is better. A way that we can do the great projects of civilization and allow people to connect as their real self. Thank you so much for this beautiful message and interview. Sending lasers of love across the universe to you! ❤️‍🔥

[@sarahcouture24]

You bring up such a valid point about how in America, the beautiful story johann told, people here in the U.S. would be afraid of being tear gassed or shot by the police. That’s exactly where my mind went as well. How sad that we have become so terrified of the authorities, and for good reason, as the country has insidiously become tyrannized by our own government and criminal justice system to the point where the citizenry feels hopelessly disempowered :( we are too afraid to stand up for our rights due to the threat of punishment and retaliation by those in charge. I believe this is such a huge problem in our country, and this collective attitude of fear is why I perceive that we are incrementally being stripped of our freedom. When the right to peacefully protest seems too dangerous to exercise, there is a major problem with our democracy.

[@healingcreationsmandalaart5056]

Such a valuable conversation. It makes me wonder if we are being told our immune systems are broken as well as our brains and that we’ll all need medication fir that from now on. Again as you both said, that’s not to say that antidepressants, medication or vaccines do not have a place. Of course they do. But my feeling is that there is so much money involved...it’s toxic.

[@dr.keshavamurthy2785]

Thank you Marianne Williamson madam for the conversation on Depression and anxiety. With Humility and lots of love, light, respect and Gratitude 🙏🌹❤️

[@franka2743]

This is awesome, thank you very much for this conversation-- I actually took notes. Good stuff.

[@darcybhaiwala7057]

So much of my alienation comes from the lack of accessibility and communal spaces too. A walkable city would change my life - now it takes me 20 minutes (35 in the snow) just to get to a coffee shop if I want to work around people. Let alone a library, which actually wouldn't cost me anything. Why do people think young people spend so much time online to build social connections? In our American nightmare of urban planning, where else do we go?

[@teresamartini10]

A very powerful conversation. I'm just thinking there's something to say to the fact this is very true in countries like the USA and UK, and less so in the southern hemisphere. Having lived in both hemispheres, I understand why.

[@rayfiedler9482]

I have sufferd with bi polar for over fifty years. In that time i believe the biggest benefit i got was the reason why i did the crazy things i done. My diagnoses actually gave me hope of being released in part from the life sentence of misery and isolation of feeling of having nothing to live for. I was not suicidal, but would go to bed not wanting to wake up. While i believe now my medication serves a purpose, it wasnt until that i moved overseas to live where i could live comfortably on my aged pension that i really began to see how the lack of understanding of family and friends about my bi polar, plus how they shunned me was something all the medication in the world could not cure. I never hid behind my bi polar or had a victim mentallity. I knew i could be an arsehole even when the times i felt normal. It was realist people like you that were a big part of my seeing a bright future and giving me a reason to take each day at a time without condemning myself 24 /7..I have asked forgiveness and made amends where possibble to those i have hurt. Thankfully i now have a big part of family and friends that have forgiven me and are beginning to understand and realising their own shortcomings. The biggest part of my suffering was the lack of understanding of those who i truly love and will never stop loving. It may seem to some i just ran away from the conflict of not being understood.But what it actually did was give me time to realise outside of any mental issue we are all flawed in some capacity to be civil to one another, and they were the things i really had ask forgiveness for. Thank you for the oppurtunity to unload without being judged.☺. May i add that living with someone who has bi polar or wont acknowledge it as i didnt initially can be a living hell. I for one after doing all i can for them, would have think of my own peace of mind and safety especially where children are involved and make a clean break. I have learnt you cant go on flogging a dead horse. I speak only from my experience. I removed myself from relationships after having caused much turmoil and thankfully as i said before, many of them relationships have been restored, even with my last to wives.😀 I realise its not that simple in all cases when you are relying on a partner financially etc. But i do believe there are people out there that will give support but also realis its not easy to talk about things that go on behind closed doors. My prayers and love are there for those who are in that situation.💕

[@hipnicity]

I’ve been Rx-free since 4/1 after 20 years on antidepressants. It’s been interesting. I’m 60 & experiencing hot flashes again!

[@dr.keshavamurthy2785]

Oh my God! This is so insightful. I want to Explore more of Johann Hari's work. Thank you Marianne madam for introducing us to Johann Hari sir and Dr. Gabor Mate sir. With Humility and lots of love, light, respect and Gratitude 🙏🌹💗

[@FalseH3]

Ended up stumbling upon the James Cameron interview you did after watching Avatar the Way of Water. I often get this deep depression after watching movies with a strong sense of family or comradery. I have regular longing for since of purpose and love. I cried through almost all of this video. I agree and relate to a lot of this but I’m struggling on how to go about any of it. I want the love and purpose so bad but I do not know how to find it.

[@lanternhillmorgans3330]

Such a great conversation. Thank you, Marianne and Johann.

[@carolgates5297]

Thanks for this indepth gift of human understanding Yes you both really brought it today.

[@Xrusha_]

This was absolutely FANTASTIC!!!

[@iloveyoumadhuri]

No one has a disorder when they are reasonably depressed due to misfortune, devastation, loneliness, or any combination of these things. The people who diagnosed these things and caused these problems have the disorders. I knew that this was the case when I went to therapy and it didn’t work. My therapist misinterpreted my history and failed to recall things that I went through and the people who hurt me and thus decided to diagnose me as autistic. If I had autism, I wouldn’t be able to write the way that I can right now.

[@carlaraimer718]

i love your book lost connections! as someone who had extreme depression & has since recovered, i can say u r spot on! well done!

[@PowerOfLoveTarot]

Thank you very much!!!

[@BRAZEN_Muse]

Your conversation always make my come alive thank you Marianne

[@katiakatiakat]

I so LOVED that wonderful story about the protesting villagers !

[@adamszpak1905]

“No corporate profit to be made” on “social prescribing.” We’ve nailed Marianne👍

[@nadjavale9230]

Psychiatry and psychology were developed under the classic, materialistic scientific model but, then, came Carl jung and others telling a different story. However, once incorporated, concepts are hard to die. This is a great discussion!

[@kellygolemba3033]

This is the first episode I have watched and I’m hooked!!! What a fantastic message!!! ❤️❤️❤️ Thank you!!!!

[@jane2594]

Only 30 mins but this is such a brilliant conversation - thank you.

[@beniciofarina6430]

Wow! Another amazing conversation. Johann Hari thank you for who you are.

[@truetonorth]

Thank you so much, this is incredible.

[@ameliaramos5225]

Your words are eye opening to so many! Thanks!

[@dianelamorticella6053]

My grandfather was from Scotland! ❤️ thank you for this! ❤️

[@edmccullough7636]

Love you Marianne❤️ I’m so happy happy happy!!!!!!😊

[@kevinmayer8055]

Thank you for this conversation which brought me to tears.

[@kevinmayer8055]

Think also of the epidemic of mass murder in the USA in the light of this understanding of depression.

[@marcusowen7944]

Amazing conversation... Thank you!

[@rebellerevelle]

Wow I just started binge listening to Marianne's podcast and noticed that they were all posted on the KZbin channel about a year ago and nothing more recent. I hope she is doing ok and keeps on releasing these life changing episodes 🙏

[@lilaccilla]

Thank You ! This is a great interview. 42:00 Thank You !

[@fndngnvrlnd]

After listening to Hari a few times.. it is obvious that he has a long long way to go. He has not grappled with his issues in a meaningful way at all. His advice is extremely shallow and will not passthe test of time. A nice accent and a good presentation is no substitute for really going through the dark night of the soul. Which he obviously has not!!!!!

[@lilaccilla]

at 1 hour in , I would also add to this , that we are being gaslighted everyday. Taught to not know , what we do already know . ... and We all need basic needs to feel well. Yes ! The experiment where people were given enough money to get the basic needs met . Yes . The depression falls away

[@brendapaint]

so in heavy heavy grief- stay away from antidepressants? im 60 , never have been on them, but lost my best friend/partner 3 1/2 months ago. and can hardly take another day .. so just hang in there. it's getting worse, not better

[@VIncentSunflowers]

Very sorry, S.E. We are the same age, surviving the same circumstance. Lost my first partner in my mid-30s but was able to rejoin life quickly. 60, though, is a whole other ballgame. After a year the unrelenting, devastating pain has lessened but I feel like an entirely different person without him. My loss was profound because as a more mature person l lost a deeper intimacy. No advice except don't underestimate grief. Best of luck to you.

[@VIncentSunflowers]

@@brendapaint Thank you. Yes, twice over the last twenty-five years. l preferred 'talk' therapy but an antidepressant is what initially enabled me to have productive therapy. I trust we can get to the other side of grief. Plenty of tools are available. We can get through it even when nothing seems as it should. All the best to you.

[@frankfeldman6657]

I think they're only suggesting that other things MIGHT help better and more long-term.

[@love.5198]

Sorry for your loss.. I think the point is that what you are feeling is normal and necessary to function as a human. You have suffered a great loss and so your body, mind soul needs to grieve it.. it will not be comfortable but once you come through it you will feel stronger. Anti depressants may make you feel better in the short term but the grief still needs to be felt and processed at some point..

[@Annabelle_Loubat-Kermoal]

There is indeed a severe chemical imbalance in a person with depression, that can be changed with natural supplements and a healthy diet (not chemical pills !) And the healing does not stop there, cause we are whole beings, not only a brain or limbs. Opening up, being listened to, changing your lifestyle, walking in nature, speaking your truth, opening your heart, doing trauma work, finding purpose are the other elements of healing. This requires SECURITY. Cause it requires TIME and LOVE.

[@bluebutterflywellness2273]

Very encouraging and insightful approach to this epidemic. Thank you! 🙏🏽

[@chapero1]

What a star Johann is.

[@emusic96785]

In Hawaii billboards are outlawed.

[@Anna-wr3uy]

Thank you for such a needed discussion. To answer the question why Johan work was celebrated and you Marianne was vilified. Johan got some attention as to give impression that things are changing, but he will not make any difference in politics of big Pharma/government/medical establishment. You on the other hand running for highest office would have power to make changes, they don’t want that. Thank you for trying and thank you so much for speaking up 🙏🏻

[@lgbeauchamp8735]

You can never change anything until it is acknowledged. Pain is inevitable, suffering is not a choice 💔 for those without resources. The root of all evil is the love of money.

[@journeyhomewithballori]

Brilliant conversation

[@gjbearclaw4094]

Yes deep gratitude for you both 🙏💚💛😘

[@christyburton8309]

Madam , what a remarkable and positive inspiration you are! May your Anointing continue to Bless and save lives and minds EVERYWHERE. Together with Johann your both The hands of GOD /Christ Jesus reaching into this Tragic world with NEW HOPE 🌫️ ! from my Heart , THANKS & I declare Peace over you both and you Houses. In Jesus name AMEN.

[@TeaRose9]

My anxiety and depression make me physically sick with several issues and I want to make it go away.

[@patriziasplace2256]

Thank you.

[@helenyates3951]

A common sense speaking here. Sadly we live in a world where the truth has been imploded. So much said. So how can we turn the tides of crazy making people like the medical fraternity tell are us our diagnosis...they dont really know or understand very much at all by professional practitioners. Healing of human conditions that are created by perpetrators of cruelty and evil can only be healed with loving kindness compassion and love.

[@sarahcouture24]

Personal relevance is an understatement! lol Absolutely love this interview 👏

[@pinkmoon831]

It's always good conversation with Johann

[@lc1138]

"Take this pill and it will be okay" This made me listen again to Cure, by Metallica. The exact same speech with a heart-warming rythm, dating from the year I was born. BETTING ON THE CUUUURE IT MUST GET BETTER THAN THIIIS Yeah everyone's got to have the sickness Cause everyone seems to need the cuuuure.

[@karenlyons5682]

Completely agree. Depression is a symptom of failures in modern society which has been manipulated by the multi billion pound pharmaceutical industry. As you said suicide rates haven’t decreased as antidepressant use has rocketed which says it all.

[@dianelamorticella6053]

Get your sleep and you will feel better! We are all sleep deprived!!!!

[@andybrown3016]

Many people with depression have insomnia, myself included, so easier said than done

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Diane you are so wrong. Of course sleep is important. By your message, it is clear you have never experienced depression or anxiety. It is hell and deeper than just lack of sleep. Please think before you post.

[@VIKIMM]

. Johann Hari must have Pisces in there somewhere with all that compassion ..thanks muchly .. 💜 luv n light blessings ✝💜...🍁

[@Jagonistdai]

this was sooo good!

[@lc1138]

This interview makes me think about a side-topic : language, and how the mastery of it is used as a tool of distinction and segregation. Advertising uses mastery of language (including non-verbal etc., and really varied forms of logos) ; Excluded people, especially inmigrants in a country that doesn't speak their native language, are socially handicapped by their "lack of skill" in mastery of language. A person that doesn't speak a language well is hindered in their ability to express their thoughts and get understood, in their intellectual reflexions as well as in their soul. It is an excluding factor. Not only is it a social marker, it is also an absolutely necessary tool to put words over ideas and concepts. When you can name a thing, you can conceptualize it much better. When you can't, you just circle around. You can have an interest in making a word disappear. (I'd take for example the speeches of my President Emmanue Macron, who does not mention once the words "capitalism", although he is one of the greatest defenders of it. Ofc he's not the only one, it's just that capitalism is the dominant ideology. And, like a superstar group in liveshow, it doesn't need any introduction. It's here. The less it talks about itself, the more it feels like the norm.) The trends in language can also be used to hinder the credibility of some causes. Talking about spirituality with specific words might make you look like a weirdo, because it's not anymore in the common, "trendy" language. (Just like talking about your tastes if you're from a lesser social sphere, or talking about social values and struggle of classes etc.) When, on the contrary, talking like a confirmed professional in a widely validated sphere, will make your word easier to accept and believe without afterthought.

[@stephaniepantera]

its classic gaslighting and when you understand narcissistic abuse we are in the throws of having our souls stolen. I think it is not to say that there are not a lot of positive aspects to the free markets, but then we need to be having real conversations of how this is effecting people and how to do with the sociopaths in the system.

[@tzaotees]

Love this conversation 🙏

[@Userhandle7384]

We are all being gaslit by the system .