Is Honda's New E-Clutch Just An EXPENSIVE GIMMICK?

[@spitescorner]

Get the only pair of Spite Approved (TM) sunglasses with @FlyingEyesWorld : Code SC10 for 10% off: flyingeyesoptics.com/?ref=spitescorner Do you want a bike with E-Clutch or do you still prefer Clutch Classic?

[@dejuanmills77]

@spitescorner, If you had a choice between the 650RR and the ZX4RR, which one would you choose/prefer, and why?

[@nonyabusiness4151]

Hey Spite could you review an RC30 through 46? Gear driven cams, V4 sound. Your 2014 video was good but the older gens are worth a review. ^ZX4RR

[@daddio1954]

I would take e clutch. Just bought a new CB 1000 R that doesn’t have the clutch and it would be nice to have. However, the bike has a great speed shifter and everything else is wonderful about it. I never thought I’d like one of those, but today I got stuck in stop and go traffic for about 20 minutes in 95 degree weather ; e clutch would’ve been absolutely optimal.

[@jamesmerritt1899]

I'm a disabled rider. I currently ride a vstar 1100 with a custom autoclutch. Stuff like this can help people who otherwise couldn't ride to get back on 2 wheels

[@mattyb7736]

I have a smashed left ankle and lower leg, shifting is an issue ( apart from my old '50s Enfield which is right foot shift. I like the E clutch idea for its benefits to those that have difficulty using a clutch. I have found DCTt fits my bill perfectly given my disability. I love my africa twin.

[@ADobbin1]

As an option you are right, but they are going to make them standard.

[@chaseontwowheels]

Dang man, whoever must have taken that thumbnail photo was SO GOOD! haha Looking forward to doing more press launches with ya dude.

[@spitescorner]

I had a bunch of great ones to choose from! Thanks dude. Looking forward to the next one

[@John_Ridley]

I once saw a comment by a 60 year old German woman who said "if you can't do something as simple as adjust the valve lash on your engine, you probably shouldn't be driving a car." It's all perspective.

[@countryjoe3551]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@estebanod]

It’s a bit unfair of a comparison for Honda. The German lady probably had German cars, of course she had to work on their engines! 😂

[@thefaboo]

My dad hasn't ridden in years due to arthritis, but between tech like e-clutch and linked brakes, I think I might be able to convince him to get back on the road in the next year or two.

[@thegreenman2030]

Has he every taken a look at a Can-Am? I know it’s not exactly the same as a MC but it would allow him to enjoy being back on the road again. I have some disability issues and sooner then later two wheels won’t be an option. The ugly Can-Am might keep me riding for awhile longer.

[@thefaboo]

@@thegreenman2030 Definitely an interesting idea. He hasn't looked at what's on the market in quite a while. He'll be 70 next year, and I've been thinking that I might be able convince him to let me set him up with something that'd get him back out there for a few more years. He used to really get after it (even took a goldwing offroad a few times 😂), and I figure it'd be a shame if he didn't get to try all these new rider aids.

[@thegreenman2030]

@@thefaboo I hope your able to get your father back out. Sometimes we forget just how much joy small things can bring into our lives, riding is one of those things that does it. I took a long time off because of life and just got back into it over the last year. I was extremely nervous at 1st but I also felt that feeling that only people who ride get and it helped me push through the anxiety of getting back on. Unfortunately my off road riding life is over, I still love street riding, and will continue to do it for as long as I am physically able to. I never considered a Can-Am before until I recently watched a few new videos that came into my feed. One from Revzilla and another from Spite earlier this week or late last week on a used Can-Am Ryker. I didn’t expect him to like it but he really did, as well as the guys from Revzilla. If and when I get tot the point where my disability doesn’t allow me to be on two wheels then I’m going to do my best to get on three.

[@CanyonChasers]

I'm sad our track playfullness didn't get a cameo! Haha. I couldn't not cameo you in my review!

[@davidruggles996]

I came here to see @CanyonChasers Dave blow by at Mach 2😜🤣💪😎

[@spitescorner]

I couldn't find it. I might have cut the cameras before then. It bummed me out when I was looking.

[@PetrolJunkie]

I like the idea of an electronically shifted manual transmission over the DCT and a few other offerings. The reason is that they generally keep all of the manual bits and incorporate a method for the computer to shift as well. You can still shift manually all you want. It's one step up from a quick shifter. I feel like that's more appropriate for a motorcycle.

[@wallacemjr]

Did you know that you can include a gearshift pedal on the Africa Twin DCT?

[@PetrolJunkie]

@@wallacemjr Yeah. Even if you add the shift lever it still doesn't fully work like a standard clutch. I get why some people like it, but I think it's a better option for something like the goldwing. The thing about an electronically shifted manual transmission is that if you bypass the electronic part it is still 100% riding a manual transmission. DCT, even with the lever, is not. It's an automatically shifted manual, but because of the way it's set up it's more like an automatic that you can manually shift. While that may seem like the same things said differently, there is a difference. There are things you can't do with a DCT. Don't get me wrong, there are situations were the DCT works better, but when you encounter it's downside there is little you can do to make up for it. DCT is fine for the average skilled rider. But more advanced riders will appreciate the E-Clutch more.

[@TheSt4rG4mes]

I can already see my buddy tugging my throttle waiting on a red light while Im in first gear. I can see his laughter as i lunge forward cuz of the E-clutch :D

[@hollow2788]

Awesome video!!! I have a 2016 NC700X DCT and LOVE it. I commute to work and go through tons of traffic. Never having to worry about shifting, clutch, stalling, etc is amazing. The 70+ mpg is also a big plus. I can ride standard but will never go back to using a clutch. DCT or E-clutch all the way. Friends who ride gave me so much sh*t for getting the NC but once they rode it they loved it. Just enjoying the ride with no worries is so worth it. Like you said , we need more riders. Same people who say you shouldn’t ride a bike if you don’t know how to use the clutch are most likely the same people who have quick shifters. Ride safe everyone 🎉

[@SummitCoyote]

all things considered this thing would be really nice on a bike designed for commuting.

[@R2690-f3y]

I think the clutch or no clutch debate is like , the rear view camera initial era. Everyone hated it, but once they got it, Folks cant live with out it. Clutch in cars is almost discontinued in fact you need to place a custom order for the ones they still make. I love my quick shift on my Panigale and would love something like this in slow speeds at low RPMS

[@rufysufy]

I'm one of the guys with the 1100/dct combos. Other than the bike's weight from being a massive touring bike, I really appreciate it in commuting in stop start traffic. However there are cases where I do wish I had more control over the bike. There are cases where I would like to slip the clutch a bit to smoothen out the jerky throttle, the DCT also struggles a bit in uphill corners (of which there are many). I've had a scenario or two where the gearbox just spazzes out and cuts power for a split second to prevent from stalling. Its always a bit jarring when it happens. Haven't been riding big bikes for long, but when I was doing my A license (unrestricted power) on an MT-07 I remember how much I hated being in traffic. I always came home with aching wrists and knuckles. Now I just wish more bikes came with e-clutch. I think it's the best of both worlds. Its also the one thing that prevents my wife from riding bikes. She loves them, she loves being on them, She just can't be arsed doing the whole clutch and gear dance. For both of us, being on a bike means being free and closer to the elements and it's all about the journey. Not having a clutch/shift gears really doesn't take away from that experience at all and I'm willing to bet there are other riders or potential riders like us as well.

[@greatbigeye2506]

I love this tech and hope they offer it on all of their bikes. Currently enjoying the hell out of my DCT Rebel 1100.

[@spitescorner]

I heard it straight from the mouth of one of their executives, they are expanding the eclutch lineup

[@greatbigeye2506]

@@spitescorner Excellent!

[@solidsnake2665]

Interesting thing Honda is doing. Love it, do different stuff always. In the future this might be something like a quick shifter. When you ride a bike with a good one, you think why haven't I always had this?

[@aussiebloke609]

What's the difference - functionally - between a quick shifter and just flicking the throttle off and immediately back on while you do a clutchless upshift? For the life of me, I can't see a point to them. At last this E-clutch has a point - when stopping and starting - and it doesn't take away your fully functional clutch lever, in case you like to old-school some of the time.

[@slakk5093]

You can hold the throttle wide open and flick up through the gears with a quick shifter. The latest quick shifters now let you keep throttle wide open on down shifts too.. very different to ye old manual quick shift

[@RambO5018]

Everyone loves QS/Blippers and E-Clutch is just the next step. So i guess it will be possible to get on most bikes soon.

[@ei..]

I feel like if they got a memory in the software so that you didn't have to disable it all the time, it would be close to perfect. If you don't like it, just turn it off. Then turn it on again when stuck in traffic or something. That would be the best of both worlds! But sadly, when it defaults to on every single time, it can get a bit annoying for people who mainly want to ride without it Edit: just got to the end, and saw you said exactly this. You also mentioned having a cheaper version without the e-clutch, but it would only be very slightly cheaper, as the cost to retrofit an eclutch in Europe is only like €200

[@Jon-nz3dm]

7:57 he’s so invested in not being on track that he even used the right indicator for that turn

[@dcxplant]

This is one of the few new pieces of tech I would be comfortable with buying the first gen unit.

[@arrialscott9426]

Honestly I am interested, the E-Clutch seems like a great feature. 😂 Not the biggest fan of the 2024 CB650 headlight design But the E- Clutch 🔥🔥🔥

[@kevinroach5692]

what about clutch plate life? easier or harder on the plates?

[@spitescorner]

Honda claims there is no additional plate wear but I wouldn't be so sure. Hard to tell in an afternoon of riding but I would expect the plates to wear fractionally faster. So maybe instead of lasting the life of the bike they last like 60K miles.

[@immanueliggi]

I don't expect Japan of all countries to remove the clutches from their bikes. I mean come on!! Motorcycles are supposed to have these. That's the entire fun of it!! They can work on brakes, they can work on tyres, vibration, suspensions, they can work on hybrid motors to increase range and performance. I don't want to see motorcycles get 😺 ified instead.

[@donderstorm1845]

i haven't tried it but i'm all for it. i love technology and innovation, and i think honda has more than enough experience building good cars/bikes that they can build something good like this. they must've gone through extensive testing before releasing it.

[@Love4boost]

I think for someone with arthritis that still wants a motorcycle with a clutch. When it costs as much as an MT-09 that has one of the best quick shifters on the market that can also downshift with the throttle open. I think that will always be Honda’s issue. They’re looking for the commuter but their prices don’t speak to the market of commuters. So they kill it in the small displacement market. I am usually shocked if I walk into a dealership that sells Honda and there’s a new Grom or CRF300 on the floor. Idk if they still are, but they were marking them up for years because they were such an easy sell even with a mark up. Shit if they put 17” street wheels on a stripped down Africa Twin and sold it for under $12k. I’d be at the dealership tomorrow saying take my money. Honda has cool bikes. They’re just overpriced once you go over 500cc (Rebel 1100 is almost acceptably overpriced)

[@taylodl]

Do people think about the clutch that much? Maybe it's because I've been driving a manual and riding for decades, but to me, my left hand just does what it does and I don't have to think about it. Isn't that how it is for everyone?

[@johnsaporta4633]

This looks like a game changer.

[@dustclouds]

There is nothing wrong with normal manual clutch unless you're amputee or otherwise physically impaired... In which case I would've definitely considered a DCT or e-clutch... Otherwise, keep it simple! Manual clutch and (optionally) quickshifter is all you need

[@wallacemjr]

DCT brings comfort and safety. I have a DCT, Scooter and motorcycle with a normal clutch.

[@Lemmingadventures]

I agree. This is just taking the long way to automatic motorcycles. What's the point?

[@John_Ridley]

I did have to give up my standard transmission about a year ago. I would have bought a standard transmission but none are available anymore in cars that I want to buy.

[@233kosta]

You don't have to disable it, just pull the clutch in. Automation at its finest 😉

[@Nucklehead-mm9gf]

Can it be activated while moving or do you have to be stopped? How does it work for slow speed maneuvering when you need friction zone play?

[@_MisterFish]

@4:45 sounds like Honda dodged the real question, so yes it is more expensive to replace in the event of damage.

[@spitescorner]

Assuming the actually crankcase cover isn't damaged, then the Eclutch case is cheaper. Mechanically speaking Eclutch is very simple. It's just two electric motors and come gears so that's not expenisve to replqce either.

[@danimal1158]

Hi Spite. Great content, first time commenter. Did Honda mention this might come to the 500 line? I'm getting older and want to get bk into biking but don't really want a 4 cylinder. Arthritis in my hands makes a clutch in stop and go isn't feasible. Thank you!

[@wallacemjr]

It looks like the next one is the NC 1100 which is a twin cylinder. Check out the Rebel 1100 DCT

[@danimal1158]

@@wallacemjr Thanks for the suggestion. I'm more for the e clutch. I like the idea of a conventional clutch in slow parking lot style turns. I'm also looking for something with less weight than the 1100.

[@spitescorner]

No specifics but one of their execs did say its coming to more models. I wouldn't be surprised to see it hit the 500s soon

[@duane5326]

I’m confused- my 2022 RSV4 is the same function- a lot of bikes these days have something like this

[@soilsmanadv6673]

Will it hold a hill with the engine off, unlike a DCT? It is annoying to have to lock the rear brake to lift a bike off the ground after a lay down on a hill with the left hand grip planted in the ground.

[@wallacemjr]

Yes, it stays engaged when you turn it off. That's why it doesn't have a handbrake like the DCT needs to have.

[@idkofone]

But, but, why would you down shift on anything but full closed?

[@MightyMouzMoto]

I WANT ONE!

[@IDontKnow-bb6mt]

I'd choose this 10/10 time over the dct. Sister had a dct Honda and it sucked.

[@manuelcamacho-cazares4639]

Why have a DCT if you are just going to use the clutch? I would actually love this e-clutch on my road king.

[@rns6889]

Tri color Honda is beautiful

[@spitescorner]

Agreed. I wish the CB wasn't in primer grey

[@rns6889]

@@spitescorner Perhaps a black edition for the 650?👀, I still think the black edition is the best looking naked bike ever. Retros excluded.

[@mascafierros]

Safer at red lights for people that put it in neutral

[@Magic_Toaster]

Imagine having more than one gear because of the ice inferiority.

[@fullmetalcorgi1350]

Sounds like DCT with extra steps

[@spitescorner]

The good steps.

[@MCmotoUSA]

@@spitescornerYep! Shifting is like the funnest thing you can do with your feet, other than slamming a kick drum.

[@Alekth85]

I would rather stop riding bikes than get one of these. But thats me.

[@straightup1234]

Expensive? Extra £100 optional extra in uk so must have.

[@vinylattic6901]

So its a very fast scooter? Nope nothing for me, but i can see why people would like it

[@spitescorner]

No it's not. It doesn't shift for you. For most guys it'a a glorified quickshifter, but for everyone else it's a great commuting.

[@georgeallen7667]

Just get a scooter if you have trouble shifting. BMW has a 650 and Honda has a 750.

[@SaddleTrampTV]

I saw on one of your recent uploads that you're a guitar player. Need a drummer?

[@spitescorner]

I need more practice first 🤣

[@SaddleTrampTV]

@@spitescorner lol

[@Keeta381]

But it’s not expensive

[@Black_Drako]

Expensive??

[@serious_in_seattle6917]

Your comments about the truck driver showcase your ignorance. Trucks and buses need a lot of space to make turns and will temporarily block one or more lanes sometimes until the turn is completed. Don’t expect drivers of long vehicles to wait for traffic to be 100% clear. That is selfish and shortsighted.

[@darkgravystains]

All i got from this is that sport bikes suck (joke)

[@andrewblahut6213]

meh. sounds useful on a track. dosent interest me

[@carltontweedle5724]

Spite you ken the reason, Americans drive auto in cars. In the UK most car are stick. Yet with two pedals they still miss the brake.Also we call it a hand brake you park you put it on, it can be used in emergencies. Sorry for ranting on you not so much. HAHAHA

[@flaming_viper5472]

At 16:46 seeing @LifeOfBurch just relaxing and learning back grabbing the seat as Spite talks about the comfort in city traffic really makes his point an even stronger one

[@LifeOfBurch]

I was straight vibing...with the bike still in 1st gear no less 😂 That E-Clutch really came in clutch (pun intended) hitting all that traffic after hours of riding!

[@ricatiman]

E-Clutch is the future... so long as the rider can still use the clutch manually when they want to. I was in the MV Agusta store and saw their new adventure bike, that also has an e-clutch, but their bike cost nearly 4 times as much! Anything that gets more people on bikes, the better. I'm all for it, with 56 years of riding experience.

[@NoBaconForYou]

Nope. I was going to buy this bike new, but now that it has an e clutch, I’m definitely not going to.

[@davidmuller8898]

@@NoBaconForYouyou can buy a model without it

[@thewiredfox2691]

If PETA throws red paint on a Honda, does anyone even notice?

[@hondacivet]

Wow Honda really thought ahead there

[@ThePresidentofMars]

Isnt peta the most hypocritical though?

[@John_Ridley]

I LOVE the CB650. And having watched this I would enjoy the eClutch. If they get cruise control on it, I'll have to take a hard look. I don't buy bikes without cruise anymore though.

[@thewiredfox2691]

This sounds like a 1st world problem! ;-p

[@stevetaylor9265]

Yup. Speeding ticket problem

[@John_Ridley]

@@thewiredfox2691 10 hour days in the saddle, it's really nice to shake out your right arm.

[@233kosta]

I'd love cruise control on mine, but not if it means giving up the rather excellent cable throttle.

[@damon20r]

I just wanted to point out with the truck driver that there is no way for him to pull out into stop and go traffic without blocking the other lane for a few seconds. Another driver stopped and waited in order to let him into traffic. Unless you expect him to wait the hour or however long it takes for the school traffic to be over with? You may be on a motorcycle but when you have to maneuver an 80+ foot truck it's not usually as simple as just squeezing into traffic. I would have hoped you had a little more insight to see that.

[@The_RC_Guru]

Same. People have no consideration or common sense/patience/spatial awareness. It’s a ME ME ME world.

[@hondacivet]

I gained a ton of respect for truck drivers after playing Euro Truck Simulator 2. Holy shit driving those things is hard XD

[@loganurquhart11]

As a truck driver I just bulldog my way into traffic. Lol

[@Jon-nz3dm]

Yeah this was not cool. Completely unnecessary and childish response

[@PetrolJunkie]

Someone left the truck a gap to pull into traffic, which is nice of them. I've seen many drivers take whatever space they get without worrying about what they block. Those are usually the guys used to dealing with drivers who have no patience or respect for others. If they don't do that they won't make their turns. Sometimes you don't get a choice on how you handle a situation like that. Spite, unfortunately, is one of the reasons why that truck driver did what he did. Too busy needing to do what he's doing to be considerate of others. Ironic considering how many comments about that sort of thing he makes. Believe me, I sympathize. Try driving a 100k wrecker pulling an 80k combo in heavy traffic. If I don't bully the cars I can't even merge let a lone swing to make room to go around a turn. Seems like a daily event where I end up blocking whole intersections or multiple lanes because cars will not give way so I can turn. I can't wait for traffic to clear because it never clears. People who never have to deal with issues don't understand how unnecessarily hard they make other people's lives.

[@basilf1]

Short answer, yes. I'd trade in my CBR 650R. I like the e-clutch. I'd option it on a new bike. The long answer, I'd take the e-clutch but I don't need it. Or want it enough to pay extra. I enjoy operating the clutch. Even in rush hour, commuting every day, I've never cared much. Or wished I didn't have too. I got back into riding because modern cars have too many electronics and driving aids. And have become insanely expensive! I just want to be a part of the process of operating a vehicle. So, for me, the e-clutch doesn't alter the process of riding much. Just would be a nice tool to have available for me to use on the road.

[@ricatiman]

Spite - just 1 minute of waiting by you and that truck was out and rolling with traffic. How long do suspect that truck had to sit there as nobody would let it into the roadway. Just think of all the food, bike parts, motorcycles and beer get delivered by these great truckers. Give them some respect and treat them with a bit of decency, PLEASE! If you need to Rant about other road users, please start a rant channel and keep it off your usual great ride and test channel. Thanks...

[@damon20r]

Yeah, I had made a comment about it also. Really changes my view of the channel.

[@IceMastaChristopher]

Wasn't a good look.

[@spitescorner]

Can y'all not take a joke?

[@MrFelixGun]

​@spitescorner You weren't making a joke.

[@spitescorner]

@@MrFelixGun I guess sarcasm is dead then, huh.

[@SummitCoyote]

"That sounds really expensive!" your RCR impersonation is really good lol.

[@Rogan_Dorn]

"NOT A CAR."

[@hondacivet]

Yeah I thought Mr. Regular was making a cameo for a second

[@anthonycrutcher6048]

I had to do a double take when I heard that

[@checkingreality]

@@hondacivet brian's not going to end up this channel for two reasons. 1. he has integrity. 2. Spites not a furry

[@Bugside]

Bold move stopping sales of the regular bike on the US

[@spitescorner]

I thought so too, not 100% on board with that decision.

[@KindOldRaven]

@@spitescorner It's weird for sure. Is it just their attempt to push normalizing this tech a bit more? I mean I could see that as things like DCT were also very successful but I'm also fairly sure that some riders will skip the bike because of it.

[@sunsinger970]

Long term it's a winning play.

[@ColoradoNate]

They shouldn’t need to sell two models. The only thing is you should not have to turn it off every time you turn the bike on. It’s not a “safety issue” like ABS is. So if they do that it’s perfect and even if you choose not to use it, probably improves your resale value.

[@VolkswagenGamer]

I think they have found their niche. Very very accessible motorcycles (DCT, a dozen 125cc bikes).

[@lagunastc]

This tehnology on adventure bike or a touring bike would be amazing. Transalp with this and tubeles tires would be amazing

[@avarria5872]

I think i might prefer this over my DCT. The DCT is great on the road, but it's absolute dog shit at very low speeds. It's also very heavy and expensive.

[@TravelingMeerkat]

Clutches are normal here on cars, automatic costs extra.

[@punchbuggyyellow7097]

My car has a manual transmission. It's the best anti theft system out there. Around half a dozen friends recently took up motorcycling & one of the major concerns for all of them was using a clutch. It took a few lessons in the office car park to get them used to using one. If they didn't have me willing to teach them more than half would have been too intimidated & wouldn't have bothered getting their license. Having automatic as an option is going to open up motorcycling to a whole range of new riders. And you can count yourselves lucky in the USA. You may not have a choice about the E-Clutch, but here in Australia we only get the LAMS/A2 restricted version with 46 hp. That's half the power for the same price. And the smooth brained Truckie must be on holidays from Sydney. I see him all the time on my daily commute, either driving a truck or a bus, and he's one of the biggest reasons that I commute on a motorcycle year round.

[@blakew5672]

Clutch intimidation is a real thing. It certainly was for me. I know how to drive standard cars, but I’m not good at it and I don’t enjoy it. I’ve wanted to ride motorcycles since I was 20, and never got around to it because I didn’t trust my ability to pilot a manual vehicle, much less one where the consequences of making a mistake are as high as they are on motorcycles. So, at the age of 40, I finally bit the bullet and took the MSF course. I was pleased to learn how much more intuitive the clutch on a bike is versus a car. It was still a lot to take in at the time though, and I was honestly scared I’d fail the test for stalling the 250 Rebel they had me on that for all intents and purposes didn’t have a friction zone lol. Anyway, I passed. Six days ago i went and bought my first bike, a 2022 Rebel 1100 DCT….and I LOVE it. I can focus on learning basic and safe riding technique with one less thing to worry about. While I’d prefer the option to also have full control of the clutch when I wanted it, I’m a huge fan of the DCT so far. In the future if they release more bikes with the e-clutch system I can definitely see myself upgrading to one.

[@hughmac7423]

I don't like this, I think it makes for lazy motorcyclists. Then I have been riding 50+ years and I don't like automatic cars, TCS and ABS, either, because people no longer know how to drive properly and rely on tech too much.

[@cweber9112]

As someone who is a truck driver that dude was just fine making that maneuver. You would be the same person calling him “smooth brained” if your local fuel station was out of gas because they had to wait an hour to leave a customer. That being said sign me up for one of those clutches on a cruiser. The DTC is cool, but this is something on a completely different level. I thought the DTC was going to be the future, but after seeing this there is no doubt that this will become mainstream in the industry.

[@MrFelixGun]

This ^

[@sawyer4981]

Curious how much work it adds to replacing the clutch pack. I personally don't think I'd really ever use it outside of stop and go traffic. But hey... if there's no additional expense & it doesn't make maintenance any more difficult, why not?

[@spitescorner]

Maybe a few extra screws to remove but the system only changes the shaft that opens and closes the clutch pack not the clutch pack itself. The clutch is unchanged only this additional mechanism on top of the clutch.

[@sawyer4981]

@@spitescorner Dang, honda really coming in... clutch 😏 I think this will be pretty great for newer riders while they're learning! Handy for commuters too.

[@benjamingarrett9960]

This would help me a lot as a new rider

[@unnf9971]

#1 Not expensive #2 It is a gimmick for lazy people and maybe old riders.

[@wutzitrone4522]

Didn't Honda attempt to rescue their motogp campaign with carbon fiber clutches in 22/23 and failed miserably because they couldn't get the engagement point consistent through the operating range? With this technology, in theory, you could have your fancy carbon fiber clutch electronically actuated and your clutch lever sensing signals to a computer and have it figure out where through a look up table where the engagement point should be...

[@101BadBreath]

Anything that lowers barriers to entry and gr more people into riding is good for all in this sport.

[@marekzacek5400]

very clever system. Having both options of manual and clutchless shifting is sweet. Presented with such option I would definitely give it a shot

[@At.Aversa]

I always wonder about slow maneuvers with these systems like doing a u turn or a figure 8 but i could be over thinking it, i have driven a bike with a quick shifter a Husqvarna so a KTM quick shifter and i thought it was pretty awesome and i can see think like this work especially on bikes with a heavy clutch.

[@spitescorner]

It's funny for like 2 minutes then you get used to it. Some guys were struggling, but I got used to it quickly.

[@sinnamortai]

I would love it if they put the E-Clutch on future Rebel models. I have the 1100 DCT and it's great for when in traffic, but I still wanna have the feel of a manual.

[@spitescorner]

I think an Eclutch rebel would be awesome

[@wallacemjr]

It seems that the NC 1100, which uses the same engine as the Rebel 1100 and Africa Twin, will be the next to have the e-cluch. I understand that the Africa would benefit the most from the e-cluch.

[@sunsinger970]

Rebel 650R?

[@JamesExcell-InterJex]

This is a great addition to the motorcycle community.

[@NoBaconForYou]

Nope. I was going to buy this bike new, but now I’m definitely not interested. I’ll get an R7.

[@whitemarmite]

seeing another biike being brought to the market that has an assited shift, such as this honda example as well as the kawazaki hybrid. it opens up so much more than just a learning aid, it means those with dissabilities can look to ride normal bikes again. those with missing limbs, or restriced movement in their hands. they can get back onto a factory bike, without the need to modify it just so they can use it.

[@HikerDave57]

My neighbor wants an Africa Twin but hates the idea of DCT because as a dirt biker he's used to having the fine slow speed control of a clutch. I didn't really notice you address low-speed handling in the riding portion of the video. Is that a downside? I ride a Honda NC750 DCT and I'm pretty happy with that; two things less to worry about not just one thing less. (When I want to renew my man card I hop on my daughter's Dyna Lowrider and go for a ride.}

[@fredmaldonado9204]

Thank you Spite. You articulated the e-clutch with the precision of a motorcyclist surgeon. Other people tried to explain it. But they were too giddy having fun with it. You enjoyed the e-clutch and you explained thoroughly how it works and functions. I am happy that you have your own channel. Keep up the good work.

[@acegear]

this will make honda better for first time riders hope the eclutch goes down to entry level offerings

[@bachpham5357]

Hey man, can the e clutch handle gear ratio changes ? Like installing a bigger rear sprocket? One thing that I hate about systems like these is that it prevents you making very basic customisation..

[@spitescorner]

That's actually a great question I didn't think about. My assumption would be yes, it's very good at handling quick acceleration and deceleration as well as abrupt changes in gear so I think it would handle a bigger/smaller sprocket just fine.

[@bachpham5357]

@@spitescorner the stock gearing on these bikes are sky high. Given that they're very relaxed bikes it would fit to have a shorter gear for that naked feel. The issue is that E clutch bikes has a sensor on the transmission shaft while 2024 non e clutch does not. So I'm afraid that changing gearing will make it go out of whack. Hopefully somebody in the US will try this out as the bikes are simply not being shipped in Europe.

[@shinyribs2178]

The same guys who would poopoo this e clutch and brag about how manly they are while shifting gears are the same guys who will demand quick shift and auto blip. After riding regularly for decades, I can think of many tired days where I would have really enjoyed this.

[@Lemmingadventures]

I'm poo pooing for sure. I don't want those other things either. I want to use throttle control and clutch/shifter balance. It's what riding is to me.

[@Hunter1st]

If I was buying a new bike, I'd probably get one with e clutch, but absolutely not even a slight consideration to replace anything I already have. I live for manuals.

[@ride-to-the-X]

Good one! We need more riders, anything that can help people get started in motorcycling is a win, also good for people with disabilities. Could see my self with a e clutch on a commuter bike.

[@estebanod]

7:25 holy saturation, this is way too over saturated Spite

[@spitescorner]

Yeah, I'm colorblind so I miss the mark sometimes

[@estebanod]

Ohh I didn’t know, I would gladly offer my help but I’m not a reliable person ​@@spitescorner

[@flapatriot2157]

An experienced rider does not have to "think" about using the clutch. [just saying, not trying to be rude] It is pure muscle memory, it just happens. So is the blip of the throttle on down shifts. [rev match] Learned skills, automatically deployed. These are things that distinguish us from the general population. I think a manual clutch in both a car and motorcycle make you feel more a part of the vehicle. I would pass. Just takes way too much involvement out of the process.

[@mpalm44]

My dad finally broke down and bought himself a bike. 2014 Honda CTX700 with the DCT. He's comin up on 67 years old. I couldn't care less that it's an automatic, He's finally gonna be out there riding and I'm stoked for him!! Also glad he's not a Harley brother.

[@KindOldRaven]

I did just get my driver's licence (and motorcycle licence too) at the ripe old age of 33/34 respectively. But I definitely learned how to ride in a manual during lessons and also currently ride a manual :p But then again - that's Europe for ya! PS: Yes, too late to the party, but honestly public transport has been pretty good to me almost all of my life

[@cooltechdreamer]

Have u ever driven a big rig? It not easy to just get out in the blink of an eye, they take time and a lot of decision making cut my CDL brotheren some slack! Love the content 👌

[@Samuel-qe9lj]

If u can't operate a simple clutch, you shouldn't be riding haha... excluding those with physical disabilities

[@papercut1987]

knowing that I'm gonna love this e-clutch once I try it actually makes me feel unsafe once I go back to my track bike 😅

[@Gsr4me]

Finally!! my second (maybe third) favorite bike with my least favorite option lol The old man in me is yelling NO!!! It's really cool tech and in the EU it's a $100 addon option according to the reviews I've been watching. I was sad Honda didn't really update the engine for these new models (bring it up to 100HP even and be on par with the RS660) and instead have pushing this so E-Clutch hard. At the end of the day for me personally, its a no. It's just not something I want on my bike.

[@sunrisejak2709]

Manual gearboxes with manual clutches in motorcycling will eventually join the automotive world and go extinct. This technology and others with similar objectives is the future. RIP manual clutches. Good riddance. Kudos to Honda for persevering with DCT and to the many others soon to introduce the concept of automatic clutch operation.

[@synissilent9235]

Something I've always wondered is why companies don't just make semi automatic street bikes. There's been some dirtbikes like that and a bunch of atv's as well. Why all this fancy technology for something a 120cc enduro bike from Pep Boys did back in the mid 2000's

[@toofastnobrakes]

Don’t get me wrong, I am 1000% AGAINST automatic bikes. The thrill of shifting manually helps make the experience. But this is something I could get behind. It’s a quick shifter when I’m feeling lazy around town. And I can turn all that shit off for the track and the backroads

[@moka-chan2000]

This reminds me of the gimmicky hondamatic Cb750's and Cb900's of the late 70's and the Honda semi automatic clutch transmissions from stuff like the cub 50 and Ct90's of the 60's and 70's. I like the new name tho for basically just an updated version of old tech that wasn't very well liked back in the day or really liked all that much even now.

[@JoeStanek-vu7rl]

Needless and complicated... Honda had a good system with the 1970's step through 50's and 90's... the shifter was the clutch lever.

[@NoBaconForYou]

I was saving to buy one of these new.. guess I will go used or get an R7. Should have made it optional. I don’t want to deal with a system that I have to turn off every time I get on. I’ve been dailying a bike all year, and I don’t get tired of operating the clutch.