Spoiler Mode - Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi

After seeing one of the most divisive Star Wars films ever, the allies have lots of opinions. Some of us loved the way it steered the story in a radically new direction, others weren't fans of the humor or sub-plots. Can they find balance?
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[@MellowFelloh]

That Leia scene was one of the biggest "What the fuck.." moments I've had when watching a movie.

[@CRISNCHIPS12398]

"Trim a little? TRIM ALL OF IT!" - Ultima Brad, 2017

[@samuelkeene1589]

CRISNCHIPS12398 he ain’t wrong.

[@SleepyDroid]

the champ!

[@deadward_g]

I’m totally in the Brad and Brandon camp. Movie was more on the disappointing side for me, and it was irking me how much Kyle and Huber were defending it. But Huber calls it at the end, both sides of the opinion are going to get hated on hahaha. Thought it was funny that both Brad and Brandon were on the more negative side and were wearing black. Possible Rule of Two Sith going on at EZA hahah

[@Ayoul]

Early on, the way Huber defends it as if it couldn't have been done better. Like Snoke's story, obviously they wouldn't do it the way Huber described it. There's a million ways they could've shown a little more of Snoke's influence, rise to power and motivations.

[@caitosaurusrex7363]

Brad is me. Jesus christ, ive loved star wars since i was a wee child but COME THE HELL ON. This whole movie felt like one giant run on sentence that could have cut out parts to get to the point.

[@have345]

whoa, thats a great way to describe that! One long run on sentence.

[@andrewnall1931]

Its very refreshing to have a group represent both sides of the argument on this movie. So often on the internet people criticize something without discussion or even reasoning. Great Job Guys!

[@aarongreenaway]

Best Review I’ve seen guys, you have honest opinions and you all felt differently. It was like looking at the Star Wars community as a whole. You really summed it up!

[@JamesW6179]

If Holdo was such a stickler for rules and regulations, it's a bit odd she was dressed like she is stopping by after a dinner party.

[@Heffalord]

I'm in the Brad camp on this one.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

“It’s not about fighting those we hate, but about saving the ones we love” Urgh.

[@geoffreykandolo973]

but we do need to fight those we hqte in order to save those we love. you see how this line just gets dumber as youi think about it

[@JazGalaxy]

Geoffrey Kandolo I disagree. It’s a philosophical line about the nature of where the conflict comes from. The point the film was trying to make is that (ugh) if everyone is good and bad and there are no heroes, then there still have to be some qualities that seperate the good from the bad. And that is that the good guys fight for love

[@K1LLW1N]

where was the love when that purple hair woman sacrificed herself? xD if only she told her plans earlier and saved us from the Casino Planet BS and Po's mutiny, maybe someone would have loved her enough to save her... ah well. They still love Po in the end btw, that cheeky scamp, they loved him enough to let him get away with it xD FK ME This movie.

[@Vvonter]

I did like Benicio's line of, they beat you today, you beat them tomorrow. Seems like that reflected the new status quo of the universe.

[@Allen-ug7oi]

The sentiment is fine, but not when she literally dooms the entire rebellion to save Finn. At that point they know the only way to save everyone in the base is to stop the death star ram, but Rose decides it's better to sacrifice all those people so she can save the guy she loves

[@bashful_michael]

Brandon and Brad are so right, I agree so much with them! I liked the movie but there are a lot of problems. It wants so much to surprise you that it doesn't care to think if that surprise makes sense to the story as a whole. This movie feels like a standalone movie and fails as a sequel to The Force Awakens.

[@RooboliusBrandybuck]

I feel like the surprise was lost after the 17th time of the movie not giving you what you wanted/expected. Eventually, you just grow to expect the unexpected and it loses it's effect.

[@DoctorFalchion]

I've been thinking about the comparison between Snoke and The Emperor, and I think I've come to the main issue. It's true that we get a comparable amount of information about each character before they're axed. The difference is, we understand who the Emperor is in the whole context of the movies. The context of the original trilogy already places the Emperor into power - when the original Star Wars came out, we could just assume that this is how the galaxy was for an undisclosed time prior to the movie (a backstory which would of course be explored in the prequels). The issue with Snoke, in comparison, is that we know what events led to this situation, and yet they don't account for Snoke. For the emperor, we didn't need to know how he came to power because that was the status quo from the start; it's part of the premise. For Snoke, we already KNEW the status quo (end of Return of the Jedi), and we need to know how he changed it, how he became part of this existing story. Still, I really enjoyed this movie, and I think that really comes down to strength in the characters of Rey, Kylo, and Luke (I realize that the latter of these is a divisive opinion, but I really enjoyed Luke's arc through the movie, especially his scene with Yoda and his exchange with Rey the third time they discuss what happened with Kylo's training).

[@Hazz3r]

This really didn't occur to me and really changed my perspective a bit. This problem could quite easily have been solved too. Just have him monologue more during the death scene. Talk about how he did what he did, how he became so powerful and became Supreme Leader. Maybe make Kylo killing him a little more elaborate to account for a longer monologue.

[@JazGalaxy]

Yeah, the problem isn’t that Snoke died, or that Rey’s parents are nobody. People who can’t analyze movies will sieze on these things because they can’t quite articulate what the real problem is, but the real problem is very much the fact that Snoke was set up to be more by The Force Awakens. So when he is shown and then killed within minutes, it feels incredibly “off”. It’s just bad film making.

[@neobutters]

KC Clark exactly

[@agentorange8530]

Yup exactly. I hate it when people are like, well the Emperor is just like Snoke. No they're not. The Emperor works because there was nothing before it. With Snoke, there's 6 movies plus The Clone Wars and Rebels before it that we have to take into account.

[@timogul]

The Maz Kanata sequence is LITERALLY in Star Tours now that they've updated it. That EXACT sequence plays out (with different dialog) in the middle of the ride when it;s changing scenes.

[@nathanaelhowe6914]

I LOVE how passionate this discussion is. I am absolutely with Brad and Brandon. Everything they said i resonate with.

[@FeisarX]

Kyle lost 15 IQ points in this video. It's like someone is firing an X-ray machine at his brain . Hyperspace as a weapon was a STUPID thing for them to do they way they did it. Especially the level of damage they were able to pull off with it. Now we need to ask why this wasn't done countless times before. There are junker shit ships all over the Galaxy that can be used in this way... And one ship can take out half a fleet? Absolutely no writing discipline.

[@Allen-ug7oi]

I guarantee in episode 9 someone will bring up "Why don't we just ram it from hyperspace like Holdo did?" and the response is "Oh no they have a shield for that now" or "It only works with capital ships and we don't have any to spare". If they don't somehow explain away that Holdo's kamikaze was a one-time fluke then all space battles will be plagued by "Why didn't they just ram the enemy at lightspeed?"

[@SuperZergMan]

@@Allen-ug7oi Called it.

[@dtanobo]

The whole 'expectations are subverted' argument works when it's done well. Not when it's a poor bait and switch.

[@JazGalaxy]

dtanobo exactly. Subverting expectations is a pathway to an end goal. It’s not an end goal unto itself. It’s a spice you cook a story with. You don’t just serve someone a big bowl of cumin by itself.

[@imouto4hire]

Exactly. Rey could have had explosive diarrhea when facing Kylo. That would have subverted expectations. So what? Good writing trumps all. The Last Jedi is horribly written.

[@JonCofer]

I love you guys and I love this discussion - it makes me happy to see both opinions co-existing

[@amitavc]

Kyle likes subversions. Bloodworth subverts expectations and uses music to communicate Journey. Kyle lets it affect him so much he gets angry.

[@amitavc]

Nic D I like em all! Kyle just deserved a little ribbing over it I think. :)

[@hana707chan]

The reason why we don't need a backstory/explanation for the Emperor and why we do need one for Snoke is because Episode 8 IS A SEQUEL and we need an explanation for how the First Order came about and how Snoke became "Supreme Leader" because at the end of Episode 6 its basically assumed that the empire died with the Emperor!!!

[@ironcladnomad5639]

Subverting expectations by doing nothing with them is just that. Nothing.

[@chadgrover5138]

Advantages of seeing The Last Jedi in Japan: virtually zero laughs because 'witty quips' don't translate well at all.

[@jasonr6118]

Brad, you hit the nail on the head and this is exactly how I felt about it , I enjoyed it, but was disappointed at the same time, so much wasted potential

[@emeraldo]

I know we take physics and gravity with a grain of salt in these kinds of movies, but i was scratching my head during that bombing scene (what happened to gravity and vacuum of space?). Then we skip to Leia being bown out from the bridge (there's vacuum there) then when she Mary Poppin'd herself to the ship and the door was opened by Po (no vacuum). Make up your mind movie! 😂

[@agentorange8530]

Yeah, they couldn't even cg a blue shield. If I saw a blue shield then I'd be, oh ok. But there was nothing.

[@danieldavis2347]

Magnetic bombs. The Force.

[@robkoh7290]

It's just a bad movie. It's not just a bad Star Wars movie, it's a bad movie on its own. Also I like how Finn isn't allowed to make decisions or do anything himself. He's not even allowed to die.

[@Ayoul]

Yep, because of the Rose character, he was robbed of having any substance in the movie. It wasn't enough that she served no purpose at all, her character also needed to drag Finn down with her.

[@WarrenEBB]

disagree. - it's a great movie on it's own. but it's a crap star wars movie as part of the franchise. - Finn stands up for Rose (recognizing the importance of her necklace, a call back to how he tried to stand up for Rey repeatedly in last movie). He does go after phasma. I guess you're saying all the decisions he made, and the things he did, were muddled by other characters getting involved? i don't see how that's a prob. but ok. in the end, finn's arc in this movie is to learn to care about more than himself. (starts off trying to run away by himself, end up willing to sacrifice himself for the resistance)

[@robkoh7290]

It's both a bad Star Wars movie and fundamentally a bad movie. It was visually striking, yes and the cinematography was pretty decent, and has some cool scenes. Doesn't save it from being a mess of writing. TLJ is full of massive plot holes, inconsistent or badly-written characters and plot lines that go nowhere. Much of the "twists and turns" are just subversion for the sake of subversion. - Rey is a staggeringly awful character. She's great at everything, everyone loves/trusts her upon meeting her, doesn't pay for consequences of poor choices, TFA starts her as virtuous and courageous and she's still the same in TLJ. No growth outside of just getting stronger than she already is, and nothing ever feels like an actual struggle or uphill battle. She's honestly more Mary Sue than the titular character the trope was named after. I could very much see this being a character that some 13 year old would write into their SW fan fiction. Yeah she's "stubborn" and supposedly has separation issues about her parents, but it never hinders her in any way, and she never pays a price for these minuscule "flaws". You know what Luke and Anakin got for being brash and stubborn? One less hand. - Finn and especially Rose are pointless in this film. Their entire side quest doesn't even need to happen if Holdo would just explain her fucking plan to Poe. And I can't think of a single thing that Rose did to contribute to anything in the film. Their failed quest doesn't even do anything or change anything in the story. The Finn comment was mostly a joke but here's my real problem with him: I'm sick of Finn being this useless comic relief character (who's apparently also a janitor), who's character arc is "don't run away, fight for someone else" in TWO films now. At least he got fight Phasma, but she's never shown to be that competent outside of her books, so who cares. - Holdo is a trash character, withholding her evac plan does nothing other than provide a weak "twist" to the audience, it makes no sense in-universe. She actually has no reason NOT to just tell the entire ship what the evac plan is, instead of her shitty speech about "hope" and "the dawn" or whatever. She's given two chances to explain to Poe, but she pulls rank like an asshole and tells him off instead. (But that's okay she likes hotheads like him. What?) It actually hurts the situation more than it helps, as she manages to lower morale enough to the point where some crew members (including people from the bridge crew) were okay to go along with Poe's mutiny. - Phasma is a joke. They treat their conflict like she has this deep history with Finn. She literally doesn't care who he is, he's a number, he's always been a number to her. It's not like they were friends, or lovers before he went AWOL. As far as the movies have shown me, he's nobody. She comes into the scene and fights Finn with her track and field javelin, and "dies". I honestly feel bad for Gwendolyn Christie. - The overall story amounts to nothing. When Kylo said to "let old things die" I thought that was an interesting motivation for a villain. And then he said "hurr durr join me and we'll rule over a new world". Cool, back to being a villain again. First Order sans Snoke, vs Rebellion again. - Rich people planet was poorly paced and almost unnecessary. Serves as little more than a way to shove in a shallow "rich people are bad" message. - Benicio del Toro's character is wasted. He's also a clumsy plot contrivance. They were looking for the guy at the table, you know the ONE guy that can slip them under the FO's radar. Except wait, this rando guy in a cell can do it too for some reason. Teaches Finn about a theme of Gray areas. They then proceed to do nothing with that theme. Fucks off and does something else. Worst of all is what they did to Luke. They took an optimistic character and destroyed him. The one man that found a glimmer of light in the 2nd most evil man in the galaxy...and he nearly kill Kylo when he sees potential for darkness. And then fucks off to an island, NOT to fix his mistakes, but to die. Which begs the question as to why he left behind a star map to his location, if he didn't want to be found. He then proceeds to get his ass kicked and lectured by our Mary Sue protag. And instead of one final showing of power, where gets to show the galaxy why he's considered a Legend....it's just projection, he never left his island. Now he's dead. Hope you weren't expecting a lightsaber fight from Luke for the first time in 30 years. On top of that, modern colloquialisms and lowest common denominator Marvel humor are going to date this movie pretty hard.

[@CriPPleR_HD]

You guys had a great balance discussion. One of the best discussion I watched so far. I appreciate that you guys did not attack viewers for disliking this movie. Kudos!

[@torenreaves8810]

Luke throwing his father's light saber for a gag bothers me to my actual core. I'm ok with snoke dying but his death is meaningless because there's no context for who he is or how he seduced Kylo. Lastly, Rose is the most useless character in all of star wars.

[@elliotchilds2818]

Episode 9 showdown I want the most BB8 vs Evil BB8!!!

[@ToastyOs]

The explanation that they had to "teach Poe a lesson" doesn't make sense because none of the other crew members knew either. Seems pretty clear to me that it was just a carelessly executed point of conflict.

[@rainingsnake8422]

Yeah. That just destroys his argument earlier about the chain of command thing. You know you're just defending the movie without concrete reason when you're jusy rambling everywhere

[@BurkhardtGaming]

i absolutely love that after the whole kylo and rei teaming up fight kylo looks at rei with such confidence and truly believes what he is about to say she will follow.

[@mr.sarcastic8833]

This is why Easy allies is the best. We have people with different opinions and is good to listen both sides of the coin in one show. The back and forth gives context to the opinions.

[@darkligen]

Loved Kylo and Rey but I am not sure what the stakes will be in Episode 9. If Kylo is causing trouble just send Rey. She can beat him any day of the week even without training. Also what are the Rebels going to do? For the past 30 years they have destroyed every leader and flagship the Empire/First Order have yet they are worse of now than ever.

[@JonathanJordan526]

As soon as I saw this posted I thought "Brad is going to be upset that they ruined General Hux," and rightfully so.

[@Waylorn]

Excellent discussion and breakdown of your feelings on this movie. I liked it, thought it worked great bringing great emotional development to a lot of the characters. I didn't dig the casino scenes all that much as a whole, but thought they had a lot of great character to them, and I like them tied to the greater arc of learning about what it means to be a hero and learning about failure. Loved failure as a theme, and all of the Luke, Rey, Kylo and Snoke stuff was on point. If I had to criticise anything, it would be the way that JJ set up this movie. He planted a lot of mystery boxes in The Force Awakens, but didn't fill them with any answers, leaving it to the next director to fill in. I feel like that's the same problem that Lost had: create a lot of great questions and mysteries, then leave someone else to fill in the gaps. This sets them up for failure, though, since the mystery will always be more intriguing than the answers. Rian went out of his way to escape that shadow and still create an emotionally captivating story. The result still feels like the Last Jedi is two movies tied to each other by their franchise; a movie I thought was okay, Poe Learns to Fail, and a movie that I loved, Rey and Kylo Feel the Force.

[@JPD2587]

What bothers me about the "subverting expectations" angle is that it actually requires the viewer to have expectations. The Star Wars lore means nothing to me so I had no expectations for Snoke or Rey or anybody shrouded in ''mystery'. I just wanted an entertaining movie; and I didn't get that. I got a long, boring sci-fi movie intermittently punctuated by Star Wars references. This was a movie for Star Wars fans who like to intellectualize Star Wars.

[@kephalai]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS PLEASE DO MORE FOR MOVIES

[@neobutters]

The trilogy really suffers from having 2 different directors with 2 diffrent visions.

[@InFiiLtRaTor]

The original trilogy had 3 different directors. That's not the issue. The issue was that there was never a clear plan to begin with when they started the trilogy. That kinda falls on Lucasfilm, not the directors themselves.

[@MisterShine7]

I think if JJ can marry his vision of "The old stuff is just great" with Rian's "Kill the past" to something more in the middle with 9 we might get a decent trilogy here, but I'm uncertain.

[@minimiliano]

Patrick Chaanin Three different directors, but the same people where in charge of the story.

[@ChaloempolKay]

From some angles, When Brad raising his voice. He looks like Phoenix Wright. I'm waiting for his "Objection!".

[@neobutters]

The scene where Luke throws the lightsaber, is a good metaphor for the whole movie. Anything that was intresting and well developed plot wise was thrown out. The movie didn't even make sense as a sequel to Force Awakens. So many dropped plot points and plot holes that it ruines the whole movie. It's ok to change things up, and try different things, but you don't do that in the middle of a trilogy.

[@JazGalaxy]

Dick Deepinsideher exactly. And the underlying message was “ the things you like are stupid and your stupid for liking them”. Johnson repeatedly uses characters as his speakerbox to talk directly to the audience just to say this, and it often doesn’t even make sense. Like Snoke, the guy who projects himself as a 100 foot tall head, making fun of Kylo’s helmet and telling him it’s stupid and he looks ridiculous in it. Like, what? 1/5 of the characters in Star Wars wear helmets. In fact, in Snokes chambers, he’s the only one WITHOUT a helmet! His criticism makes no sense except to tell the audience that helmets are childish and Star Wars is childish.

[@TheRainySky]

JazGalaxy no, kylo wants to be equal to vader and snoke shoots him down for fucking cosplaying.

[@kulsky4586]

Oz yeah, if balls means ruining characters, then fine.

[@JazGalaxy]

TheRainySky I GET why the line is IN the film. I’m just saying it makes no sense. Calling him out for wearing a helmet when, like I said, EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM BUT SNOKR is wearing a helmet makes no sense. It’s like calling him out for wearing pants. And claiming that he doesn’t need it is ridiculous since, as I said, Snoke projects himself as a hundred foot tall head. The kid learned his theatrics from somebody.

[@kulsky4586]

Oz what a fanboy lol

[@VandrefalkTV]

See THIS is how I like debating, its almost too frustrating to not physically there to be a part of it! xD Lots of love, guys.

[@carpcarter6766]

Brad is a man after my own heart with his Star Wars takes. My thoughts exactly on basically everything.

[@Hazz3r]

The guards in the thrown room are Elite Praetorian Guards, meant to mirror the Elite Royal Guards from the Galactic Empire. Basically the most competant non-force-users that can sort of hold their own against force-users.

[@Kizaru3314]

The first 5 mins of Episode 9 should start with the Knights of Ren hunting various characters/assassinating important leaders (Resistance/New Republic advocates) on different planets/systems, in so doing helps paint a picture of who or what The First Order are and what they are doing in the larger picture of the galaxy. Then, when they return to learn what had happened during their time away, we see all 6 Knights enter the Snoke throne room, where -- for the only moment in the film -- they each take off their masks and we see what they look like. Some are human and some are alien. In this moment, every line that each of them speaks gives us a clear indicator as to who they are, their distinct personalities (JJ Abrams needs to watch My Hero Academia for tips on setting up characters quickly. A lot of this should have been done in The Force Awakens) They debate over whether Kylo Ren should be the new Supreme Leader and Kylo reminds them that he is the descendant of Vader and that Rey is their real enemy. They question how Rey, an untrained Jedi nobody was able to come in and best Kylo AND Snoke AND the Red Guard dudes. And in 15mins you've set up the premise of the final movie: The Knights of Ren cut through the Resistance to capture Rey. It happens to be the big set piece of the movie: The bad guys pulling off a heist to kidnap Rey. Along the way, you show cool things that we've never really seen before in a Star Wars film, like in-fighting between the Sith. There's been subtle stuff before like Vader plotting to kill the Emperor and rule with Luke but not like this. I'm talking about a scene where they capture Rey, and one of the Knights wants to kill her right then and there, but he is stopped by one of the others and literally a fight breaks out between them. One of the things missing in TLJ is a lack of saber-on-saber battles. The climax of the film is, they capture Rey finally, She tells some of the Knights about how she and Kylo took out Snoke -- confirming their suspicions. The Knights of Ren turn on Kylo, when that happens some of the other Knights go to kill Rey as revenge for Snoke. It's an orgy of lightsaber battles.

[@beeper5462]

27:35 this 20 seconds of Huber and Brad are the divisiveness summed up so well LOL

[@Bstone410]

Can I just say that I love your use of the song Stylo for spoiler mode theme song 👌

[@MarcRichardObsolete]

One thing that has been bothering me is how everyone seems to be harping on how under developed Phasma was. All I can think about is one of the most popular star wars characters from the original trilogy was Bobba Fett. Only has what 2 lines in two films and what less then 10 min of screen time. I loved the movie, and also have my complaints about it. Like snoke, I would have like to have a little more context. There was no big haha moment that I think was lacking. But I will end with, that light speed head-on crash was pretty sweet how they slowed it all down.

[@zeebaa6]

The boy at the very end uses the force to grab the broom.

[@Osk42]

I think the "Salt" line was a foreshadowing/hint to the Luke vs Kylo fight. Because when Kylo moved his feet the salt changed from white to red. And when Luke moved the salt din't change color. A hint to the "Ultimate" Luke used in the fight :D

[@HylianMigz]

huber on massive defensive fanboy mode

[@kyril98741]

Not really sure but interesting point is that the way general Ackbar dying is the same on what he did toward star destroyer in Return of the Jedi which is shield is down, sudden enemy attack towards main deck.

[@Hazz3r]

I think, while Holdo was supposed to be in charge for the majority of the film, it was Ackbar that was originally written to sacrifice himself, and that it was changed due to the actors death midway through filming, giving him a sort-of off-screen death.

[@Vilens40]

Bosman is King Troll. His dedication to his craft is really venerable.

[@IEmpire-yx2qq]

The Porgs are inspired by the Puffins living on Skellig Michael here in Ireland

[@pathannage5231]

What I disliked was rose managing to out speed fin somehow to save him. Then tell him that they need to fight to protect the ones they love... And then watch the lazer explode the rebel defenses... Good job rose!

[@joemurray]

Haven't seen the film so will watch this video when I have but I must say I am excited despite the mixed reviews

[@Brutalious]

A well cut fan edit will do this movie wonders. Lets hope Episode IX will be focused.

[@DSe7en]

Why would it matter if Snoke had a backstory? Because it would give the character meaning. Not for the other characters necessarily, but for the viewer. Meaning promotes a connection between the characters and the audience. Put it simply it would matter more when Snoke died if we knew who he was and his importance to the other characters' evolution.

[@Lion0fTheDesert]

Loved this discussion. My opinion is Mostly aligned with Jones. Slightly more forgiving than Jones but not to Kyle levels. Actually now that I think about it Damiani was kinda in that space lol. Like Brad said good and bad, but I'm ready for JJ to steer the ship back.

[@tefargentina]

I was hoping for a broader scale context. "We blew off the senate so now the whole fate of the galaxy hangs in a 5 ship battle" That's what I really liked about Clone Wars and the prequels in general. You could see there were many powers at play and there were battlefields all across the galaxy.

[@Cookinberry]

Just got out of the theater and feel so incredibly disappointed. It honestly feels terrible. I just wanna say thank you to Brad. You're the voice of the people.

[@IEmpire-yx2qq]

The casino scene should have been a webisode or side adventure that is somewhere on the Bluray

[@Uhcip]

Everyone can be a jedi, the force can do anything, toys can be sold, jokes will be told and I feel old.

[@theshadowdirector]

Regarding Snoke, no force user has ever been shown to have precise and perfect mind reading powers. It's based around feelings and emotions that always leave some ambiguity.

[@wilson24488]

Kyle knocked it out of the park with his first line about "subverting expectations". SPOT ON!

[@ledvogs7799]

To the point about Poe and Holdo, what was the lesson that Poe learned? You should trust blind authority, because they always know better than you. Also not great thinking on Holdo to not just tell Poe the plan. Of all the people to keep in the dark, why would you not tell the one guy who can clearly, and did, trigger a mutiny.

[@DeviMon1]

I agree with Kyle and Huber so much, god I love the way Last Jedi just stood out and had so many 'gotcha' moments!

[@chickenfinger7829]

In reference to 10:13 , After Hux saw Snoke was dead and Kylo was unconscious, Hux started to draw out his blaster. He was going to shoot unconscious Kylo dead for his treachery, but Kylo started to get up so to ensure his survival he does what Kylo said. You can tell how he glared at him silently when barking commands to HUX'S army, etc. Kylo is far from the leader of the First Order right now, he's just too strong for a mutiny at the moment. I'm sure that will change as he proves himself an even more inept leader due to his ambition and emotions.

[@chickenfinger7829]

In regards to Kylo fooling Snoke, what was impressive was the act of Kylo killing Snoke. He fooled him by thinking ambiguously, Snoke closed his eyes and was so sure because he was reading Kylo's mind. He was actually literally seeing his thoughts, that way there was no way Kylo could lie. At all. Snoke closed his eyes not out of arrogance, but to be POSITIVE of what was happening by seeing the "truth". Kylo aiming at Rey wasn't done to set up dramatic tension in a "will he, won't he" moment, it was because he knew his thoughts were being read. He couldn't think about how he wanted to use the force to turn on Lukes saber and kill Snoke, he had to actually aim his saber at Rey and think about how he is "Aiming the lightsaber at his target" to be able to truthfully use the force and position Luke's blade at Snoke to fool him. The reason Snoke oddly called out about how he is about to turn on the saber and "cut down his true enemy" was because Kylo was using the force to turn on Luke's blade, he had to have a conscious thought about doing so to will it to happen. Kylo fooled Snoke by letting him see the truth, but leaving it up to interpretation, which is a huge theme in this movie. Kylo and Rey both saw the truth, but out of context and thought it meant that they both thought the other was going to join them when the time came. Loved the review and opinion's guys, keep making up the amazing content. I know you won't read any of this, but if you, or any one else who would want to talk about it more, or tell me their take on what happened, please do!

[@EduardoDanielFerreira]

my opinion on this movie is basically that the highs are 10 times higher than force awakens the lows are 10 times lower than the force awakens its very inconsistent and I dont doubt that a lot of that was Disney pressuring the director to make a more light-hearted movie

[@kyril98741]

The Finn side quest is there to introduce the real bad guy and those potential kids with force, it could be the next theme and subject to address.

[@TheMagicBum]

You haven't seen Laura Dern in a million things, Jones... you saw her in Jurassic Park.

[@CatastropheX0]

I really enjoyed this film, and it exceeded my expectations! I'm glad they decided to run the story in a different direction, as playing in the safe zone would have made me lose hope in future films. I am excited to see what the 9th movie will bring. While the pacing in certain places was off, it never detracted from my overall experience.

[@bryson7329]

"First Order is run by a bunch of comedians now" got me there Jones lol

[@RuneRelations]

Haven’t seen any of the new films, but what I can gauge from listen to other talk about them seems like the creators of Akame ga Kill were allowed to work on Star Wars.

[@SubterraneanLosers]

I love that intro

[@slabbulkhead7455]

"Let those books burn." - Kyle Bosman, 2017

[@Echoplex25]

What was worse? -Casino -Luke almost killing his nephew -how useless was the final fight -Rey still being a Mary Sue -Snook and Phasma getting 0 respect

[@neobutters]

siegeh25 all of it.

[@agentorange8530]

It's true

[@nigelo92]

The red salt had me as I honestly thought they just bloodily killed Luke when the AT-AT things attacked.

[@miimee2007]

I usually don't think Brad is a good commentator honestly, but man, this guy is on point in this episode.

[@cal6319]

One of the most iconic characters in cinema history died of exhaustion on a rock by himself. After fueling up on alien nipple milk.

[@alexanderchilton911]

Fucking Yoda

[@sparkrayne]

wasn't that the point of the movie, though? that despite his being hailed as a legend, as a martyr, that he is flawed and human and in no way an icon to be worshipped?

[@Bakfor]

There was no point to the movie.

[@cal6319]

Rayne Like Yoda suggested the movie was generally about failure. It certainly succeeded in that aspect.

[@297fihsy]

I don’t think he died of exhaustion, you read that scene way wrong

[@musiclover462]

28:12 "They're doing this to everyone."

[@drd7of14]

Prety sure Poe realizes the consequences of his actions once their transport ships are being targeted and he realizes it's because he sent Rose and Finn over to Snoke's ship. If he had never allowed them to go, the transport ships wouldn't have been attacked. The entirety of the events seemed set up just to teach Poe some lessons: The lesson of command (And following Orders) The lesson of heroism (And its faults) The lesson of sacrifice (And its purpose)

[@RadioactiveLobster]

I really enjoyed it and I plan to go see it again. I can fully understand though why some people don't like it. There are things to nitpick for sure but overall, I think it was great.

[@GutsmanHeavy]

Huber will like it less as time goes on, he can't think critically without 6 months of breathing room

[@skavenbob]

For me the first half dragged, up until they killed Snoke i was in the meh camp. After that I loved it. The casino part could of easily been cut and the first space battle I thought was silly. The slow moving bombers were very silly logical, so easily taken out I'm shocked even one made it. But I loved the dynamic between Rey and Kylo and Luke at the end.

[@Maxbeedo2]

Glad to see Brad defend his boy Hux. He deserves better than to be the butt of constant jokes. I hope we get to see Hux betray Kylo at some point, because the's the only one that seemed to be affected by Snoke's death in any way. Both Kylo and Rey don't change whatsoever after his death, so all they did was kill off a good source of conflict. The only reason we want to know Snoke's background is because he served NO PURPOSE in the film as it is. They spent 15 minutes hyping up Snoke IN THIS FILM, which has no payoff or effect on anyone. Jones: "It's weird to be punished for hoping." Pretty much sums up the film. The film doesn't take the more interesting option at any point, but it loves to present the opportunities like it's clever. Kylo doesn't turn good, Rey doesn't turn bad, they don't team up besides the one battle, kill each other, or change in any way. Leia doesn't die, Finn doesn't die, and Luke died of laziness, so the Resistance is still missing its "spark". Rey's parents being nobodies is fine, except she learns nothing from Luke, and doesn't join Kylo when its revealed, so she doesn't change at all, and the mystery was wasted. Oh, but Poe learned to accept orders from superiors without question, and Rey learned how to move rocks to save the day! The film would've been better served without Holdo at all. Poe would've been put in charge when Leia was incapacitated and he could've made the rash decisions there, and Leia could've taught him his lesson when she comes to. Then Leia could've piloted the cruiser and her sacrifice would've cemented the lesson and sparked the rest of her forces. Combined with the bazillion plotholes regarding the premise in general, this movie has no reason to exist. It's a sub-par film with the bad humor, pacing and plotholes, but it's an even worse "episode of Star Wars" in the way it squashes everything from Ep. 7 and sets up nothing interesting for Ep. 9. The only chance they have is to advance the timeline like 10-20 years, set up an entirely new scenario in the text crawl, and make this film irrelevant. Huber: "Star Wars is for kids." Empire Strikes Back was my favorite of the films when I was like... 5, but that movie has a torture scene, makes Darth Vader legitimately scary, and deals with some pretty heavy philosophy about the nature of the Light/Dark Side. The puppet is funny for 5 minutes, then turns super scary (0_0 "You will be. You will be."). None of the themes in that movie are for kids, but I loved it. The last half of Return of the Jedi was my next favorite, and not because of the Ewoks.

[@christianbuckley2169]

Salt line was to give people a heads up that Luke was a projection. In the fight with Kylo, Kylo leaves footprints. Luke's hologram doesn't.

[@Ahlgreenz]

Great Spoiler Mode - your diverse opinions really reflected the divisiveness of this film, as well as the conflicting opinions of my own. On one hand I was super captivated when Snoke was killed off, but on the other hand, I didn't really know who he was - except that he obviously was strong with the Force. Lots of highlights in the movie, but a lot of lowlights too - especially the forced Marvel humour. Like Damiani pointed out, humour was reserved the characters where it naturally fit their personalities, like Han, but in this film it was forced onto almost every character. Luke responding "Alright that's pretty much nowhere" to Rey telling him where she was from was so jarring in the delivery - not because Mark Hamill made a bad delivery, but because the tone of the delivery (which he of course was directed to do) didn't fit his character or the scene. After my first viewing I liked the movie, but I was very conflicted, mostly because of the Marvel humour and porgs invading the screen over and over. On the second viewing I was much more accepting of the weird/bad stuff, like the porgs, so I liked it a little better the second time around, but the film definitely has problems - not to mention the Finn/Rose sidestory. Like Huber, I liked the intent, but the execution was a bit off. Alright, I'm basically just echoing statements from the Allies, so I'm just gonna end it here. I would have liked for the video to be at least 20 minutes longer, preferably an hour, as you guys didn't have time to disect every major plot point in the movie, given that its runtime is two and a half hours. But overall, great discussion guys! L&R

[@seafarinhare]

I think weaponized lightspeed would be an interesting thing to be developed as a result of this movie.

[@omrmajeed]

I agree wholeheartedly with Jones, Brad and Damiani. The only thing where I differ from them is that I am not looking forward to episode 9. That "star wars will continue forever" part of Last Jedi killed it for me.

[@bryaneveritt9388]

Is it just me or did Bosman seem to forget his love for context in his thoughts on this film? Love Huber and Bosman, but we’re gonna have to agree to be on different pages here.

[@HylianMigz]

Holdo getting in Poes face telling him he needs to respect authority but when Leia wakes up and knocks him out for the mutiny Holdo says “I like him.” I was like uhhhhm what...

[@ZodackTZ]

I feel like if I could live life like Huber does my life would be enriched beyond measure

[@steelgray2473]

*SPOILERS* People REALLY need to recognize that you can love a movie whilst criticizing it. I’m so tired of hearing “_____ wasn’t good.” being followed by “But I liked it.” like cool dude, you liked it, I don’t get why you can’t accept that that doesn’t make it good. I love watching Sharkboy and Lavagirl. It’s one of the worst movies i’ve ever seen. I can point out it’s flaws and still enjoy it. I liked TLJ, Leia flying in space was bad, Holdo and the entire premise of that plot line was bad, the casino sub plot was bad, the numerous plot holes were bad, the relationship between Rey and Kylo Ren was fucking amazing, the core casts performances (specifically Daisy Ridley) were great. I liked this movie, that doesn’t make all criticisms null and void. Most standoffish was Huber’s “I’m glad they’re dead.” How in the hell does Phasma being lackluster in TFA make her being horrible in this movie a good thing? This isn’t Jar Jar, her personality wasn’t developed, she had the room to grow so treating her even worse in TLJ is TERRIBLE like Jones was saying. Again, i don’t want anyone to not enjoy this movie, i just want people to criticize where criticism is due.

[@deanmachine7398]

Snoke isn't dead. When you look at Luke when he is using the force projection he is younger and can keep things appear there longer. Snoke also appears younger and was testing Kylo to see if he would actually betray him, that scene was designed to be a big reveal next movie. It is going to be a moment when Kylo sees that Snoke isn't dead tries to go after him again and fails realizing he isn't as strong as he thought and scrambles back to Rey asking for help.

[@GedMason]

No one's going to mention Leia's Superman flight through space, are we just pretending that didn't happen?

[@KerstinMamma]

Brad is my spirit animal from now on

[@joshuaturner3282]

Damaini mentioned being on a podcast with Maximilian Dood. Which podcast is that?

[@donturner4087]

Star Wars: The Last Jedi! YoVideogames Movie Review - kzbin.info/www/bejne/ronFmXdsmrxnq6M

[@giankratos399]

Last line of Luke was :"See you around, kid.". It's like the star wars equivalent of "nothing personnel kid". Think about that.

[@JaknTuck]

The red guys are Elite Praetorian Guard

[@vicjake8730]

I cant help but think about Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons of Liberty. The story subverts expectations after coming off of the previous title. Another similarity to Sons of Liberty is having a main character experience a lack of information causing frustration for them and viewer. These things hurt Sons of Liberty on release but became highly regarded over time, I think the same will happen for The Last Jedi.

[@tasseiviews2947]

It's a good thing the Easy Allies don't resort to violence quickly because this might've ended badly

[@Icipher353]

I went in with low expectations and it almost met them.