Gaster wants our MEMORIES | Deltarune: Connection Theory | Deltarune Theory Discussion and Analysis

[@spookydood5500]

Thanks for watching! To recap my thoughts (in case you were completely lost) Connection Theory simply suggests that Deltarune's use of the word "power" is tied to the idea of memories, with those memories being the power that connects us to things. Those memories connect us to Undertale, those memories connect us to Deltarune, and perhaps those memories connect us to Gaster. Gaster and Dess aren't ACTUALLY dead, which is what allows this power, this "connection" to keep them around in ways. It's why Noelle is tied to glitches- because she's still connected to an individual lost in the "code." This power is what will allow us to bring them back... Anyways, make sure to like and subscribe! (What? You're here to complain about the part where the mic was popping? No you're not.)

[@Research_Pod]

Well damn man. This is it. This video is absolutely mind blowing, I genuinely think there’s about an 80% chance you literally just solved the game in this video.

[@manachromeYT]

9:10 found your easter egg .

[@skistorm739]

Dark worlds are a way so fiction can become reality kinda of but not really by the power of science go wrong and to far without meaning to by gastier

[@Uhhhhhhhhhhh6]

What's that song that you use in all your videos, that sounds like the waterways section in cave story?

[@JonathanMeyer-o4m]

even if you're wrong about dess and gaster, i think you basically solved the goners

[@Junnneee]

Agreed

[@maxtheamazing8870]

the gooners

[@Majik-7121]

@@maxtheamazing8870 we all know that’s what we read first

[@aguila-wg3ug]

Agreed. Like, the vessel is grey, it's similar but not entirely to a pre-existing character, the parts are called goners, and the one who tells us to make it is highly implied to be Gaster. It's all shockingly conclusive.

[@user-xt4gh7tn9p]

totally agreed

[@genericlurker5778]

This, may hold a bit more than that. Deltarune is supposedly a parallel story to undertale, and what you described is pretty close to how you actually beat undertale's pacifist route. You use your memories of your friends to bring them back from what is effectively death to help beat Asriel, and then use memory (and the power of several hundred souls) to save Asriel too! Returning him to his original form, At least for a little bit. And then everyone forgets about the fight. Asriel is put back into memory. Flowey is still around, but Asriel was being eroded from the collective memory of monsters for a while. Flowey's own resets started with him visiting Toriel and Asgore, but that didn't last. Then it never happened in the first place. The memorial statue was moved to waterfall at some point, and while monsters still knew about Asriel, he isn't brought up by name very often. Once the barrier is broken there isn't much reason to repeat the story of his death. It was just one more reason the monsters wanted to escape the Underground and fight back against humanity. This even (sort of) extends to the neutral route. You just have to get all the human souls on your side once, then they'll rebel against flowey even after he resets to the start of the fight- remembering your calls for help. And in Geno... the connections are loose but an argument can be made that "Chara" is gaining more solidified memories/personality through your actions. But the most important part of geno is that it always remembers that you did it, even into a pacifist route. (unless you mess with the files, erasing that memory) You mentioned sans, but the Memoryheads are also something with this theory. "Come join the fun" was always a weird phrase that I know a few theorists have picked at.

[@Sappysappster]

"A man dies when he is forgotten!"

[@mateoostorero2223]

Gaster died by mushroom poisoning

[@mchsprod]

Gaster is Mario confirmed 🤨

[@jinjeredge]

Hi sappy

[@murtadhaamin3654]

@@mchsprod I think that's the new game theory tom will cover (since matpat retired)

[@CantusTropus]

*Suppresses manly tears*

[@gerdysertorius]

Obligatory "Human... I remember... you're Dess."

[@mochalavender9398]

Human... I shat myself

[@megaraptoran1990]

My meme basically

[@str4nger-d4nger]

human.... i remember you're dess-nuts

[@TurretBot]

I AM?!?!?

[@thehugster]

for anyone wondering (probably no one) the image that flashes across the screen at ~9:10 says "kris is the knight" have a nice day :)

[@spookydood5500]

SUBLIMINAL MESSAGING

[@thehugster]

lol@@spookydood5500

[@Not_A_Noob_06-qm5wz]

Thx

[@CantusTropus]

He's right though

[@Random_McRandomface]

I took ages to pause at the right time, and after I finally did, I saw this comment 😭

[@pancakes8670]

The idea that the Goners are other creatures outside of their reality (like us) that Gaster has assembled into tangible forms to act as his followers (preying on their chasing obsession trying to solve the mystery of Gaster) is actually really cool. Now we just have one question. Who saved us? Who put us in the body of Kris and stopped us from becoming a Goner?

[@lourdespachla6516]

chara maybe

[@jennifert.4416]

it's gotta be kris. the voice is like chara's, who is an alternate universe analogue to kris, they would believe the whole Nobody Can Choose thing, they're the only person we know besides gaster who can do Soul Stuff, and the surprise is preserved because we never see them talk

[@lourdespachla6516]

@@jennifert.4416 actually kris is an analogue to frisk, just because you have the same clothes as chara doesnt mean you are chara, if that was true i would be eating chocolate rn.

[@jennifert.4416]

​@@lourdespachla6516tbh i think they're both! kris is the inscrutable yellow goofball and also the depressed knife creep with the weird relationship to their humanity and these two sides of their character were split up to serve undertale's chara/frisk narrative twist and its video game morality metanarrative

[@lourdespachla6516]

@@jennifert.4416 actually, that makes sence.

[@doom64hunter]

What's also interesting about the Goners is that they all tie into Deltarune's "eye" motif. They all have some weird stuff going on with their eyes: * Goner Clamgirl's head, as noted, is one big eyeball. * Goner Donut Guy has no eyes at all. * Goner Ficus Licker stares directly at us, his eyes having shadows which the original Ficus Licker doesn't. * Goner Bird/Hand guy has a single discernible feature, its eye. * Goner Kid has no pupils, much like Noelle when she casts Snowgrave. And of course, the Goner Human we construct doesn't have any eyes either, regardless of which head we choose.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

They have messed up eyes, probably because they are blinded to their situation. They're so obsessed with Gaster, that it's consumed them. And that Gaster is using them to bait others into searching for him (including the players).

[@TheSkyGuy77]

""only eyes blinded by darkness can see the way""

[@DuoVersal]

@@TheSkyGuy77goner kid’s only connection to gaster is purely just being a goner. Absolutely nothing else that is for sure canon

[@FrNSICs]

@@TheSkyGuy77oh!

[@TaskMaster369]

"Don't forget."

[@TheSkyGuy77]

"... I'm with you in the dark~"

[@silence_starglitcher8086]

"I Forgor 💀"

[@josecorzo5517]

​@@silence_starglitcher8086 you are alone in the dark

[@silence_starglitcher8086]

@@josecorzo5517 i dont feel alone

[@squidwardtentacles8659]

Goner doesn't feel like a word anymore 😭

[@lourdespachla6516]

it is rude to talk about one when he can hear you.

[@kellymountain]

​@@lourdespachla6516he's a dumb idiot. I hate him

[@sharkenjoyer]

Says the guy whose generation came up with words like rizz and gigachad

[@kellymountain]

@@lourdespachla6516 dont care, hes a doofus

[@souptaels]

​@@sharkenjoyerdon't forget gyatt

[@Yuti640]

certainly at least Clamgirl will be important, since Toby is literally teasing her existence with the Clamguy fake out in Chapter 2

[@Beaeaeaedsfdsfd]

The "december is never said" thing reminds me a lot of the whole thing with gaster where you can never name yourself him! i did check though, and you can call yourself "december" sadly.

[@gjk-arts5855]

Can you name yourself dess?

[@spookydood5500]

True, ALTHOUGH (if you really want to get crazy with it) maybe you can name yourself December after the month? The word December isn't JUST a name, whereas "Gaster" has literally one usage, and refers to only one person and nothing else.

[@QSBraWQ]

You could also name yourself gaster after wing gaster the Royal scinetist

[@Beaeaeaedsfdsfd]

@@gjk-arts5855yes, and i'm like 99% confident gaster says "an interesting coincidence" when you do, just like if you name yourself any other lightner.

[@devlinmcguire7543]

​@@spookydood5500 I hope you read this, because this reminds me of how in the Spamton sweepstakes typing in "December" in your URL doesn't work, but changing the wording to just "dess" does work. Thus giving us the guitar 'Find Her' page.

[@Benzinilinguine]

10:30 The more likely reason is that Dess went missing years before the story starts in Ch1. Everyone has accepted it and moved on, except her family, who still talk about her.

[@matveyr8621]

I always thought Monster Kid Goner is his alternative version that dies after falling off the bridge

[@QSBraWQ]

So then, the donut guy is version of him who didn't pay for donut and got eaten alive. The ficus licker still stood there for an eternity, withering away himself.

[@CalvinNoire]

​@@QSBraWQ The Bird/Face Goner broke his neck and died (That's why your head should never be like that guys!)

[@QSBraWQ]

@@CalvinNoire but aren't they fine with same neck position in Delta rune?

[@CalvinNoire]

​​@@QSBraWQ That's because there hasn't been a terrible accident, YET. What if he trips and falls to the front? HE IS COOKED.

[@leticiallime]

i think gaster is a cut character that wants to be back in the game, kris is the mc that doesn't want to be controlled and ralsey is the tutorial character that is desperately trying to keep you playing so that they stay useful

[@art_durdio]

The whole power connection to memories makes me think of mother 3, where you have to share your ‘memories’ with frogs to save your game.

[@turtle2421]

highly agree here. the way the mother 3 town collectively starts to forget about claus while his family refuses to accept his potential death (flint cannot stop looking for him, even when it leads to him outright neglecting lucas) is very similar to dess' situation. as well as lucas and noelle both being the reserved, sweeter younger sibling contrast their rowdier, goofy older sibling. memory in mother 3 is really important to the final area (a huge spoilers-related worldbuilding twist), as well as duster forgetting who he is etc.

[@Narnes64]

This is actually a really fascinating look at Dess. It really connects her to the main story in an interesting way

[@FrNSICs]

i want to push back against 6:01. it really doesn’t seem like goner kid is talking about passing away and being forgotten. the phrasing of “except you don’t exist” and “everything functions perfectly without you” just doesn’t seem like a way to describe someone that once was alive, it just seems more intuitive to read that as a parallel universe thing, (especially when undertale and deltarune are parallel stories, where frisk and kris seem to exist in one world but not the other)

[@DogDogGodFog]

It's crazy to think just how much death is mysticized in Toby Fox's games. Makes me think that the topic of death must be something really personal to him, considering how he never gets tired of writing about it.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Maybe it was a result of that fever dream he had...

[@yourMoonstone]

oooh i never noticed the word december is never said out loud. thats a great observation! i think youre onto something with that being a side effect of being a goner. i like the idea that the connection and memories keeps people alive! good stuff dood c:

[@kiwipomegranate]

The freeze frame at 9:11 is a family guy(?) character with text underneath that reads: "Kris is the knight"

[@theorycrafter300]

I think I have something too add about memory's. in Undertale there is also a fair amount of stuff related to memories like the memory heads and that they give you bad memory's and this is in the true lab (something very connected to Gaster). I think this could be broken down into 2 different "ideas" of memories !the good ones and the bad ones! obviously I think that Gaster represents the bad ones for many reasons and I think in a way that Gaster might still be "alive" like Dess is but all the remains are the 'bad memories" of him. and I think that Dess represents the good ones! I think deltarune could be a game not only be a game about memories but about good ones and bad ones. to sum it up. maybe by Looking too far into deltarune or doing the "weird routes" all that we will end up finding is "bad memories" or maybe even creating bad memories like in the snowgrave route (or maybe even after the secret bosses just look at Kris's reaction after fighting Spamton in the regular route). and we will end up "reviving Gaster" only after finding or creating enough bad memory's while trying to find Dess. But maybe if we just leave things alone "letting sleeping dogs lie" than in a sense Dess will live on forever with only our good memories of her. her living in our hearts! and us not forgetting her is the only way the only true way that she will ever live again by us not forgetting about her and her living in our hearts. that is the only true way to not let Dess die or for her to essentially live on forever! just a theory tho

[@Shark_036]

I think the memory heads will be relevant in deltarune, they aren t recalled for as a callback to the amalgam in the graveyard and the 1 voiceline they have, that s be seeing you, despite we never see them again ever if not in the credits I think those blobs are about to fuck shit up

[@CalvinNoire]

There's actually a very insightful theory on Deltarune/Undertale. Where they connect the BADMEMORY item with the EGGS in Deltarune. You should watch that.

[@juanj3351]

Imagine it's like in Coco where once you're completely forgotten in the real world, you disappear completely. Where mama coco only had a picture of Victor and was the only one left to remember him til miguel came along and pretty much (even through some mistakes and misunderstandings about someone esle he thought he was related too) miguel reminded who victor was

[@mindavery]

I heavily recommend playing or researching this game series called Brandish (most specifically the first 2 games), they're often overlooked inspirations of Deltarune, like, really, really big inspirations, I believe learning more about it may be the key to predicting where Deltarune will go.

[@panflurr]

dear spookydood, i can confidently say that your videos keep my autism-riddled brain safe from drying up, crumbling and being blown away by the wind while waiting for other chapters to come out. thank you for giving me food for thought in these hungry times.

[@danifaragoi3709]

Mood

[@Christianburn-tq5mo]

this is a pretty basic theory, but in the end of chapter one when the soul is trapped in the bird cage the movement isn't smooth as it usually is. you have to repeatedly press the arrow keys to get it to move in a certain direction which means the soul is in a weakened state similar to kris'. so it looks like the soul and kris have a symbiotic relationship

[@theprofessorpickler]

One thing I wanna point out in regards to what the Goners are is that in the True Lab it’s pointed out that they were specifically looking for monsters that had “Fallen Down”. This is presumably a state outside of death given that monster bodies disintegrate on death and they would’ve presumably had a body to actually inject Determination into, but it’s worth noting that *these specific monsters* were worried to have become Goners. Why is this relevant? Well why exactly did Toby choose to refer to whatever happens to monsters here as “Falling Down”? Well for one not only is Gaster notably found inside whatever The Depths are, which obviously point to being somewhere below with the name, but for two and arguably the more interesting point is that Frisk is shown to have LITERALLY fallen down into the Underground at the very start of the game, and what happens immediately after is that we as the player gain control of them as our protagonist. Now that’s not necessarily to say oh yeah Frisk is dead the whole time in Undertale, that’s a bit much, but it’s worth noting that if Goners are supposedly vessels that can be used by a host to control for whatever reason, and the Fallen Down monsters in the True Lab were worried to be Goners, AND the game makes a point to involve us players as our specific entities in the game world, our protagonist literally falling down before we puppet them around for 5 hours or so is an insane detail if true. Crackpot idea but I wanted to share

[@Junnneee]

This is really interesting. I think you've hit the nail on the head with a lot of these points, but I also think there's also probably something we've all overlooked and forgotten(hehe) as well. An ending where we drag Dess and Gaster back... Now that would be very interesting indeed.

[@paulinethegreat1]

Your theory reminds me of a quote from a 1992 horror film called Candyman: “I am the writing on the wall, the whisper in the classroom. Without these things, I am nothing.” I speculated on the connection between this film and Undertale/Deltarune years ago, so I feel gratified and validated that you brought it up in a video that other people could see.

[@kilicool64]

Still watching this, but before I forget, I want to note that Hyper Goner is unlikely to be related to the goners. Legends of Localization: Book 3 revealed that Toby informed Undertale's translation team that this attack's name is a reference to Goner, the ultimate attack by the final boss of Final Fantasy VI. He also noted that retaining the reference isn't important, only that it should sound "extremely powerful and cool." The team decided to translate is as Hyper Missing, since Missing is the Japanese name of that attack.

[@supershyguy1476]

“Will Alphys end up the same way?” What does Alphys end up doing in a lot of the neutral routes?

[@CalvinNoire]

**Lightning strikes** (You know the picture..)

[@braydenschreiber5355]

Honestly, I get what you are putting down with the whole "memories" thing. In my opinion it can go two ways(assuming every chapter will have a weird route) In the normal route, we are gonna find Dess. The character that actually matters to the story of deltarune, that matters to Noelle, to Kris, and the entire town we see. While, in the weird route, we are gonna find Gaster. Gaster since Undertale came out has been a fandom obsession, a player obsession. And, the weird route in general is meant to be where the player takes more control. Making Kris do things they don't want to do, whispering in Noelle's ear, etc. We/The Player are steering the game in the direction we want for own devices, for our own wants. If this goes exactly how I proposed it, with the player being why gaster is brought back, while Kris and Noelle the actual characters are how Dess comes back... you could make deltarune one big commentary on Fandom as a whole. Have you ever watched a show and went "Oh, but why they didn't do this? This is what I wanted!" Like you had expectations for something to happen, but the writers/directors/creators had no intention of actually doing that thing? Thats what could Deltarune could be leading towards in a more literal sense. The fandom wants Gaster. The fandom wants an answer to the mystery we've been having for the last 8 years. So, what do we do? We force it, we play god, and we get what we want. It's like you stole someone's script and wrote it the way you wanted it. This could all be stupid ranting due to the fact that Toby has said its only one ending, but hey its just a theory A GAME THE-

[@ΚάσσιοςΔίο]

yeah but gaster is an important character, he'll probably be the most important character in deltarune

[@RoboVenom55]

If we are ever able to play as the Vessel in future chapters I want to be able to disappear like the Gaster followers, we had the option to run from battles in Undertale which is conventiently absent from Deltarune so this ability would be fitting.

[@Somerandomjingleberry]

I do love how this and your Angel’s Heaven theory play into each other. There’s been a popular resurgence of the idea that Gaster probably isn’t this maniacal sinister boogeyman, that he is friend and not foe… which I appreciate. But I don’t think the sinister feeling of his mystery is for the lols either. I really think that Gaster will end up being a very tragic, very haunting villain indeed. As terrifying and threatening, yet as understandable and sympathetic, as the secret bosses we’ve seen so far. The kind of really memorable, gut wrenching character that you feel caught between wanting to hug and wanting to point a crucifix at. Someone truly scary, not just because of the threat he poses, but also because of the things that happened TO him, what he’s GOING through. The kind of really meaningful, compelling character that Toby is really good at writing.

[@Kirbyissocool]

There are 5 goners, 6 if we include the mystery man sprite. There are 6 humans besides Chara and Frisk that fall into the underground. What if the goners aren’t controlled by dead monsters, but by the other humans that fell into the underground and were killed by Asgore?

[@TheSkyGuy77]

😳

[@DJ_the_idiot]

16:55 in my personal opinion I think the genocide route is more like a creepypasta than gaster

[@brastionskywarrior6951]

knowledge is power, memories are knowledge, memories are power

[@mads8638]

this is THE deltarune theory to me. this really ties everything together super neatly.

[@normal6483]

I'm starting to think that, if not literally then symbolically, the reason no one talks fully about goners and Gaster and Dess is the same; it hurts to remember the dead and deceased. It's hard to talk about the people we've lost. Your video is spot on

[@zixvirzjghamn737]

11:28 FMA 13:10 reminds me of The Giver, where people die and are "Lost" 14:54 ohhh so it's like CCC

[@vikas_room]

i do really like connections being a running theme! ive always considered the main thesis of deltarune with relation to the question of "what is the point of art?" being "the relationships it lets you build", and you can see this with kris and susie. with regards to memories being power, i think that holds a lot of weight given stuff like the memoryheads and bad memories from undertale (i think P-Rise(??) did a theory to the effect of the eggs being bad memories, and that noelle treating her SPECIAL egg with kindness allowed for it to move on), and of course "don't forget" as you mentioned quite a lot :P the sort of two... routes? yeah, the two routes you propose (Dess or Gaster) might tie in with the trajectory of the weird route, where by peeling back the layers of deltarune's world, leaving destruction and sorrow in your wake in the name of searching for More, you find the ultimate easter egg (gaster himself). i can see the weird route ending similar to the genocide route, but perhaps more definitively? once you've exhausted all there is of deltarune, you can no longer go back to that world. in Dess' case, you and the main cast learn to accept the end of a world, you as the player taking your banishment from the game in stride, the memories you formed with your new friends propelling you forward. you (and the cast) will never forget the time you spent together, and that matters more than any dark world ever could on its own (play oneshot!!! its really good!!!!) ive also always found it interesting how _old_ of a concept noelle is. she dates back to at the very least the original FUN GANG drawing (2014/15?), and seeing as she's not one of the three heroes, it makes me wonder what her role was, and why it was important enough for her to have had an established character and personality. so yeah good video all things considered 👍 kris isnt the knight though (i am shot in the chest)

[@Ajdin_1103]

Tobi fox going on youtobe just to see that somebody already guessed everything there is about the game:

[@SansBeLazy]

found the channel and now I'm interested! keep up the good work bud! ✨

[@BwanNotHere]

One word **U N D E R R A T E D**

[@hadalwisp3075]

I think you misspeled Undertale

[@galvinvoltag]

The Dancing Gaster Jumpscare when I hover over the video, oh my God.

[@MoonlitLillypop]

The stuff with the goners still leaves the question of why they look the way they do. The goners all look vaguely like other monsters but the vessel is clearly human.

[@d_r_ummy]

With the concept of goners and that forming memories and keeping them (both for Kris and the player) would be one of the key themes of the whole game I think you hit the nail on the head. It made me think of certain things that stick to me like when for example Seam mentions something like the next (secret I believe?) boss will be pretty much impossible, that what if the fact that we as player remember certain parts of the game will substantially enhance Kris' chances in some encounters, but there could be an extra, bigger layer to this, that we could get a perhaps at least slightly happier ending (sticking hard to Jaru's timeloop theory) just because we helped Kris with remembering some things...

[@guiltyflygon]

Hi! I made a video detailing a Deltarune theory a bit ago tackling the idea of dreams in Deltarune, and I think our concepts go together quite well. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts, so here's the sparknotes: To start, this theory purposes that Darkners are made from connotations, the additional meanings behind an object that aren't inherent to their function, but follow them nonetheless. For example, we know that Rouxls Kaard is a rules card in the light world and rules cards have the connotations of being overly wordy and useless in an actual card game, which seems to parallel Rouxls's way of speaking and overall joke-boss status. You can jump through these hoops for almost every Darkner pretty easily. Maus is a computer mouse that acts like a real mouse, Ruddin's are greedy because diamonds are associated with wealth (and also the power rangers for Rudinn Ranger), even Queen might take on her motherly traits because she's got a "motherboard". Though, there are specific cases where it definitely seems like there is something more going on. The NEO body for example has a ton of power despite being a simple drawing, or Seam's relationship with Jevil... However, connotations aren't just on a macro level. They're also on a personal level. If, say, the person who created the dark fountain in the unused classroom had been in that classroom before and thus had a relationship with some of those toys... Then things suddenly make sense. And that's where we start to border into your discussion of memories here. After all, what is a memory other than a personal association with something that isn't inherent to it's being? It's meaning your are imposing on an object. So if you were to create a Dark World with objects that you have deep memories with... you could essentially create anything. (That angel doll in the hospital that was made by Noelle and Dess starts to feel really important suddenly) My theory ends with a bit of a shot in the dark, but what else can you expect from a Deltarune theorist lol. Gaster was said to be "shattered across time and space". Do you know what else you could consider shattered across time and space? Your memory. Perhaps Gaster's goal is to create a dark world so vast that everything and everyone that has even a tiny memory of him is swallowed up in it, and thus, he can be completely reborn. That could even explain what Survey Program's function is. It's Gaster plucking all the individuals that have memories of him from wherever they're from, including us, and assembling them all in one little town where his influence can slowly but surely grow. Also, just as an additional concept to bolster your theory here in regards to Noelle and memories, Ralsei states that breaking bonds with darkners (aka fighting them) has the power to make you stronger. So, perhaps the weird route is all about breaking those connections for the purposes of freedom, while the normal route is all about building them into Gaster.

[@Litepaw]

I tried to make an anagram from "goners". Please dont make the same mistake 💀

[@dhark0n332]

What did you spelled?...

[@CG09_TMP]

​@@dhark0n332Gerson probably

[@GoodOlJenkinsYT]

Gersons?

[@CG09_TMP]

@@GoodOlJenkinsYT "Gerson" without the S at the end

[@sinkingwrench]

⚫️

[@dantefilsdesparda]

Funny, I was watching your Valentine's card video a second time when I saw this one came out ! I really love your videos, relevant everytime and there's always this good atmosphere ^^

[@Left4Cake]

I don't have Gaster would of been just the embodiment of Cut Character if Deltarune never came out. Like that would of been the fall back plan for him.

[@Barakon]

The goners are just heartless aren't they? ???: I like plants * A palm tree then falls upon my mushy head, killing me instantly, but I survive through the power of perseverance!* Aye MOTHER OF FUCK!

[@infizer0]

This video is so fantastic. This theory actually makes so much sense, I feel like it's been so long since I've seen someone posit a really unique and groundbreaking Deltarune theory that totally changes how I look at things!

[@ValtheFemboy]

12:40 so essentially berdly was able to defy the universal goner rules and said december

[@SpamtonSlapper1997]

This is just good! I've known Gaster wasn't actually wiped from people's memories for a long time but I never had a thing to easily point to for what the goner kid is actually going no about, and that's not even the point of this video. Fantastic work Mr. Dood.

[@lgam3r920]

There something more to add. Whatever happened to Dess has to do with the bunker, the bunker who uses a slowed version of entry 17 which is Gaster Entry. If she ended this way, it's because Gaster did it to her, a perfect lure for use a victim that he could use to bait people.

[@mossweaver]

While this is little more then just me spouting off a goofy observation, I do want to mention this anyway for fun- I've seen people correlate goners with Gerson, since it's a anagram and such, but what's interesting is that the actual meaning of the name Gerson is "stranger or exile" which kinda matches the goner vibe, and it makes me wonder whether it's intentional, or just an interesting coincidence, since Gerson seemingly(?) has some sort of meta awareness of some kind, with him saying something along the lines of "I don't fear you because you can't do anything to me here." when you walk into his shop and try threatening him during a genocide run in undertale I don't think he has any sort of role in deltarune, other then just being a dead guy, so I doubt this observation will matter, but it's kinda interesting nonetheless

[@eragons1894]

14:03 I don't know what kind of freaky coincidence is this, but at the exact moment you've said "crash", my game crashed out of nowhere, while listening to this video in the background. Also regarding the video itself, i like your take on Gaster being forgotten not because of some sudden memory wipe due to falling into the core, but instead due to the time itself making people forget with passing generations. As cool as this sounds though, it wouldn't really make sense, since in Undertale there are obviously still monsters who should be able to remember Gaster no matter how much time passed since he "died", like Dreemurs or Gerson who witnessed the entirety of Underground's history. I doubt they'd be able to randomly forget someone who's built a behemoth of a device powering the entire Underground being the Core.

[@stardust-reverie]

this is the most insightful and on point DR theory i’ve seen in a longass time, damn fine work

[@gabe_eros]

For a second i thought you were gonna say Dess is a goner and therefore is a piece of Gaster

[@gjk-arts5855]

This is so well made!! Really really interesting theory!

[@ofconsciousness]

Made my day to see this in my notifications. Thanks for feeding the fandom. I really like your take on it. I do think memory is gonna be really significant since it's mentioned so much. Also this theory reminds me of Coco.

[@RmationYT]

I like to think goners could be undead zombies, that used to be fully alive, and when they are thought to be dead, and *forgotten*, a new soul takes a body similar to theirs, monster kid mightve actually came AFTER goner kid. And the reason why we are the only ones that can see them, is because our determination may match the determination they have.

[@silverstar4505]

You said it was a crack theory but, it's actually pretty sound? Good job, I had a great time!

[@bethanyandcloe3589]

This is a really cool and great theory I honestly feel that this is the best December holiday theory video I’ve ever seen I also think that there’s a pretty good chance you solved the game in this video

[@Watchinglisteningandnoting]

There is in fact a spot where December is deliberatley spelled out. When Noelle and Kris are doing the switch puzzle, Noelle starts going on a nostlagia trip and talks about Dess and Azzy.. And each button she steps on is another letter of the word December.

[@LunaSophiaZ]

love this video!! the subconscious mind programming that kris is the knight is a nice touch LMAO

[@Max-ep5ir]

Asgore was the police chief in the town but he was fired presumably after failing to locate/save Dess, which is what drove the two families apart and caused Asgore and Toriel to break apart... I think.

[@philltheotherguy1868]

Can’t wait to watch the latest addition to the spookyverse

[@neocricket9300]

human... i remember you're *fictions*

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Gaster tried to bring back "fallen down" monsters, to ""free"" them (put them under HIS control). So when one does a no mercy route, you're helping Gaster....

[@Benzinilinguine]

There is no way we *arent* getting chapter 3 this year. It has been 2 years since chapter 2. We will find out more around Halloween.

[@Avaline-Marie]

"Kris is the Knight" took forever to screenshot the subliminal in between frame lol.

[@bendable_clown855]

I’m thinking maybe because Dess and Gaster’s bodies(dust) were never found, they couldn’t be buried properly with their respective objects like other monsters. I think that ritual might be more important than we think and could potentially tie directly to the memories of the monsters left alive. (Maybe idk)

[@shadowofroserade]

take a shot every time spookydood says connection, you'll be dead before you can say "gaster"

[@johnnyrakugakichnotachyet]

We all still Have to accept that At the end of the day, all that remains are dreams And memories

[@TheGreatSayaMan0212]

This theory is just as cool as your angels hell theory I believe this one more than that one because I don’t necessarily think he’s evil Good work!

[@Entrominal]

9:11 Kris is the knight

[@theblindfoldedbirdwatcher570]

Fun fact: In (I think the official Undertale art book), Toby talks about the term "Hyper-goner" as a reference to Kefka's "Goner" attack in the North American 94 release of Final Fantasy III (VI). The actual name of the attack would be more akin to "missing" but was mistranslated. It wouldn't surprise me if Toby was taking from some of the "creepy stuff" from Final Fantasy VI (He parodies the opera scene with Mettaton in Undertale at one point.). Granted, some of the creepy/supernatural stuff in the Final Fantasy VI has ties, I believe, to some of the supernatural stuff from Final Fantasy III (like Cloud of Darkness), Final Fantasy IV (Zemus'/Golbez's mind control), and Final Fantasy V (again, mind control/supernatural stuff from characters such as Exodus (Ex-Death)). I have found that Secret of Mana/Final Fantasy Adventure also has mind control themes, and in Secret of Mana's case in particular, we have a cult (to which I suspect the cult in FFVI is taken from) and a bunch of other supernatural stuff. My point is Toby Fox is likely taking the "Creepypasta"/unnatural elements from these games to form Undertale and Deltarune. We also have proof that Fox was influenced by Live A Live to a degree, which has a poignant yet dark story near the end of that particular game.

[@basil14313]

man, it's going to be weird if/when we find out the truth about Gaster. I think a lot of the intrigue of his character depends on the mystery shrouding him - the ability he gives to fans to theorize, to make alternate universes, to give him a story. I'm excited to one day learn about Gaster's whole deal, but I do hope he remains somewhat mysterious.

[@Christopherjazzcat]

Interesting take. I love thinking about the different ways the story could go

[@gingergingey8271]

I slowed down the video just to see what that quick image flash at 9:10 was.

[@truegamer7760]

I honestly can't help but wonder if Gaster's motives are more heroic than people think, perhaps rather than just Dess or Gaster escaping we save them both.

[@annaclarallb]

The memory of a loved one recounted by someone else is Dess. We never met her, but we know her sister, her father and her friends. My mother lost my grandpa when she was 11 and all I have is an idea of a person, fragments of recollections of my mother, uncles, grandmother and all those who knew him. I know him not because I met my grandfather, but because of the memories of those who stayed. We literally are in the same position with Kris. We never met him with full agency, only impressions of other characters and sometimes we get glimpses of him. Maybe finding Dess is actually what will help Kris regain his agency and accept our help instead of being “a heart in a chain” 😭 THIS IS NOT CRACK IM CRYING WRITING THIS

[@snowAngels55]

When you mentiond that no one uses dess's full name, my first thought was how undertale and deltarune just... restart if you try to name yourself gaster.

[@Green-FUKUFUKUFUKUFUKUFUKU]

0:57 1. they're gone 2. they're gone 3. they're gone 3. because he's gone. LOL

[@AnyaJS]

It's also might be connected (*wink*) to the meta-theme in the Undertale's Pacifist route. In the True End all you can have is your memory of all these characters you've helped. If you love them - you let them go. No more restarts. No more suffering for them means having only memories connecting you to them. What will we see in Deltarune then?

[@gabrote42]

8:34 I am somewhat skeptical of the "remnant of the dead" part of this setup, given what is known anout monsters souls and dust essence, but I am intrigued. 13:00 Good thing that I am an SCP and ISaT fan as well or I would be skeptical 16:48 Memory anchors in the style of Mexican culture? Classic 19:13 Having to pick wether to look for her OR Gaster with changes to the setup to the ending might be cool

[@UNDEREVENT]

we need those chapters already

[@blueggaround8113]

Regardless of what the true answer is, you have certainly put forth a selection of thought provoking pieces of evidence. Great job! (Bacon sandwiches are the truth. Never forget this.)

[@cpr2452]

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[@Chowder_T]

You know, after watching this video, I can't help but think about Final Fantasy IX. I don't really have anything meaningful about the theory. I just adore FF9 and like to talk about it whenever I can.That's a game all about coming to terms with our own mortality. And the conclusion it comes to is that memories are what give us the strength to face death and live our lives to the fullest. There are so many quotes one could pull from FF9. Garland's line about how memory is more than just what we recall but also a shared legacy that ties us all together, Garnets words to Zidane that pulls him out of his despair. Or Kuja as death's door realizing how he wasted his life. But I think "We Won't Let The Fear Of Death, Which Each Of Us Knows, Stop Us From Living Our Lives" is the perfect encapsulation of this video.

[@diseasefork]

how fortunate that just as i am binging your theories, a new one comes out! thank you for your wonderful contributions to this horrible website spookydood

[@velvet_echo]

I feel like Asriel might be the key to some of this... We don't know if he remembers Dess, but he would likely be the only other character with strong memories of her.

[@kilicool64]

It's an interesting idea that Gaster's resurrection could happen because our own desire for it. The problem with this however is that it makes assumptions about the player that won't be true for everyone. As hardcore fans, it's easy for us to forget that most people who played Undertale and Deltarune don't view the games the same way we do. Imagine you're a casual fan of Undertale who simply played the game until they got the True Pacifist ending, was then satisfied and left it behind. You also later played through Chapters 1 & 2 of Deltarune, but only once and with none of the secret content. That was all you really needed, so you never joined the fandom, never looked up any information about specific details of the games and certainly never hacked them to find secrets and unused content on your own. If you're that kind of person, there's a good chance you've never even heard of Gaster before. And if you did, you probably only know that he's some sort of obscure secret. I imagine plenty of people who'll play the full version of Deltarune one day are like that. If the story were to assume at some point that the player wants to bring back Gaster, that would feel weird in light of the fact that many players won't even know who he is, let alone care about him. If something like this is indeed the plan, I imagine it'll only happen on something like the Weird Route. A lot of the game's secret content feels like it was specifically designed to appeal to hardcore fans who want to dig deeper into the game, so it would work a lot better there.

[@8pierrot89]

Oh! So it's like Xion Kingdom Hearts. Which, for me personally, works with a lot of my personal Dess (and tbh, weird route as a whole) Theories ☆

[@leedlelel2373]

8:07 LMAO YOU GAVE GASTER LITTLE FEET

[@Xesh]

Oh, the main game brings dess back. The weird route brings gaster back.

[@JmtcOriginal]

What about that random "Kris is the knight" Frame 😭

[@josecorzo5517]

For the deltarune fandom. Chess relations Black king: king Black queen: queen Black knight 2: ??? Black knight 1: maybe roulx kaard Black bishop 1: ??? Black bishop 2: ??? Black tower 1: ??? Black tower 2: ??? White king: Assgore White queen: Toriel White knight 1: maybe kris White knight 2: maybe papyrus or Berdly White bishop 1: maybe asriel White bishop 2: maybe Noelle White Tower 1: ??? White Tower 2: ???