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[@pattyb6003]

Engineer here: The anology doesn't play out, the structure of the arch in the foot is not the same as an building.

[@alexsolomou3579]

Dk if you're an engineer but I know you're not an english teacher. This guy said ".. as AN building."

[@runescapeescape4102]

@@alexsolomou3579 🤓🤓

[@pattyb6003]

@@alexsolomou3579 Wow. A spelling mistake on an internet comment. What a scandal.

[@p.s1034]

@@alexsolomou3579 not everyone's first language might be English, and as an engineer my weakest subject is spelling and much less care about it while on places like youtube

[@Big_AlMC]

I'm the king Engineer of Ethiopia. You wrong

[@VH-ew7oq]

-This video is a great example of "dangerous over-simplification".- This comment is neither helpful nor from a position of education on the subject and I can't believe it has almost 3 thousand likes. I am making this edit to this comment nearly a year later. You'll need to educate yourself on these matter and this guys channel is good place to start.

[@deddrz2549]

I mean it is simplified, but it has been proven that thinner, wider toe shoes are healthier for the natural function of your foot than higher support shoes. People find much less injury when doing consistent excercise like jogging when using shoes that imitate the feeling of being barefoot, by not restricting the range of motion. Using shoes with a lot of padding to the arch and thin toe areas result in worse balance and more sore feet long-term. I mean obviously there are some cases where arch support is needed, but easing into shoes that affect your anatomical function of your feet less is usually the right play.

[@VH-ew7oq]

@@deddrz2549 No 'but' needed. I agree. There is a whole discussion to be had and this guy just makes a sweeping generalization and shoves it into a KZbin short. Like cmon make an actual video. Or at least reply to a comment. Haven't seen him reply to a single one.

[@misho1869]

@@VH-ew7oq making a short will reach a lot more people than making a 10min video

[@ErikLiberty]

A foot surgeon explains what is up with my high arches in this video. He says you don't want high or low arches, you want medium. He is also against arch support insoles and has me get those shoes with the wide toe box. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpqle2psZtyaaM0

[@aidansalasin-deane7256]

@@deddrz2549 the problem is videos like these tell people who are using, and need supportive footwear that what they are doing is bad when in reality they are at an age where there foot is not likely to adapt or if it is left to do what it naturally does they are going to cause an injury. The whole barefoot thing is great for people with perfectly average ideal feet but not for those who are outside that area.

[@bremCZ]

If you have a flat foot then your foot is a beam bridge.

[@EliasOwnage95]

This

[@Senpai-Choco]

So how you you support/strengthen it?

[@jimtsap04]

@@Senpai-Choco I personally used to get a lot of cramps in my hip and trendy flat shoes that I wore all the time, one day I got a cramp so bad that I went and bought an arched pair to see if it could alleviate any future pain and voila! On the coming days I got a lot less cramps. On top of that I also did a few physical therapy sessions which really helped my feet regain their arch. Now I can wear both flat and arched shoes with little problem, so much so that I can't even remember the last time I had a foot cramp.

[@WhenYoureAlexa]

@@Senpai-Choco Orthotics (different from insoles, orthotics are prescribed by an orthopedist or podiatrist) specifically made for your feet. Every foot is different, with different severities of pronation. Even if you buy an insole that alleviates some discomfort, it’s not nearly as good as something custom. Being able to see an orthopedist/podiatrist so they can examine your gait as well as the wear on your shoes/orthotics/insoles to see if anything needs to be adjusted is best, because they can address your specific needs.

[@Parpeing]

@@WhenYoureAlexa yes, this

[@dorrionarmand7456]

Arch support isnt meant to support the arch. Its to hold the foot up when the talus pronates past normal range of motion. (Overpronation). If the talus is failing then the arch cant do its job properly hence the need for support. Using the same bridge analogy, the arched bridge also has a maximum load capacity before it fails. Likewise so does your arch. So when your talus is causing excess load on your arch due to it extending past normal range of motion you get pain from not only the joints but all the stabilizing soft tissue that connects to it. The reason most people feel better in Barefoot Shoes like the ones desribed in this video is because the hard floor stops the talus at a certain point. Hypothetically, lets say in your cushioned shoes your talus overpronates to 20 degrees but being barefoot on the floor your talus only overpronates to 17 degrees. Why the big difference? Because soft cushion allows more give until the talus can stop moving vs a hard-floor that stops the talus at a very specific point and doesn't let it go further. Conclusion: Barefoot shoes can help mild to moderate cases of Talus/ Arch induced pain. Severe cases may need to first wear supportive shoes until the pain is lessened and then think about transitioning into barefoot shoes.

[@Bigkahkistan]

Its also bc being barefoot allows your big toe to spread medially and prevent pronation

[@stefantheconqueror8710]

I am hearing of "foot pronation" for the first time.

[@TheEmmakathryn]

And this is thw difference between pure physics and biomechanics! Beautiful

[@alexandroqueiroz9616]

No

[@zenithchan1646]

I like your words magic man

[@Aixmad]

Please don’t listen to any advice in a 1 minute video. Even if its a good advice you should learn it with full context.

[@androov2797]

Ong bro. Halfway through the vid I thought "I shouldn't be getting advice for my ankle through a youtube short hold on"

[@keeplearning4L]

@@androov2797 dude literally has a phd in this stuff and works with olympians. his stuff is supported by science, and he has longer videos explaining other stuff. just because it’s short content doesn’t mean it can’t be correct

[@gonzalezm244]

@@keeplearning4L yeah, judging content quality by it’s duration is… 😅😬

[@xCoNa14]

@@androov2797 He's a physical therapy doctor who supports some of the top athletes

[@androov2797]

To everyone who will join this thread, I wanna specify: I'm not saying that this specific person doesn't know enough for me to take advice from. I'm saying the current reality is you can't take advice from every video (or short in this case) you see. So you actually have to do other research in order to get the knowledge, or contact people who got it. Not just scrolling through shorts 😅

[@MK-_-Rob]

As an engineer… This is kinda silly

[@404-Error-Not-Found]

My guy here doesn't understand that you can support and arch with an arch. In fact you can keep doing that until you've filled the entire empty space. It'll keep getting stronger continuously, as weight isn't an issue here. He should really stick to selling his snake oil without trying to put words in the mouths of imaginary engineers in his head.

[@mayatrash]

As a physicist, it’s a valid comparison. Don’t be so closed minded. It makes sense. Not everything has to be rigid to have the same function

[@MK-_-Rob]

@@mayatrash Def not close minded I understand the point he’s making, it’s interesting and has truths but as I lightly said, kinda silly. Suggesting that supporting the core area of an arch wont alleviate forces on the “abutments” is false. While you shouldn’t neglect the end points and support the ball of your foot receives, the most practical and effective method of alleviating pressure and comfortably adding support is as originally shown with a high arch support.

[@mcmerry2846]

Bridges don't have muscles and don't jump. Plus I haven't seen the first bridge with the shape of a foot

[@Yatin_Singh]

@@404-Error-Not-Found but wont ur arch bone break if u directly tranfer shock to it?

[@mmm-cs7tb]

I make orthotics as a podiatrist and the sub talar joint which controls the medial longitudinal arch is a tri plantar joint that moves dynamically in gait three different ways, it’s not a static bridge. Also orthotics don’t just hold up an arch, at the calcaneus and midtarsal region we do modifications so that your heel strikes inverted to the degree best for gait, whilst your midtarsal joint stays locked, and your sub talar joint can pronate at the appropriate time in the gait cycle and supinate too. Feet are meant to flatten a bit, become more flexible and also harden up as a rigid lever where in which the arch height increases. Both movements are needed in gait at the appropriate times. Inefficient gait can usually be seen in flat footed people with a delay in supination or no supination at all. It’s much more complicated of a structure than you’re giving credit to. Additionally a lot of people are hyper mobile with ligaments laxity and develop muscular fatigue with overworking intrinsic foot muscles. Eventually They can develop bones growing in tendons (os naviculare for example to Gain tendon strength in pull) or tendinitis of tib post, tib post dysfunction, plantar fasciitis etc. barefoot shoes are NOT for everyone. That being said I like barefoot shoes shape to prevent hallux abducto valgus but a lack of support is not great in my opinion for most. Also your foot has a foot core that involves two tendons crossing under the foot and the muscular activation of these two in gait pulling both together at the right time is another big factor in the arch. To improve mind muscle activation of intrinsic foot muscles and extrinsic muscles barefoot walking on sand and uneven surfaces is great as well as certain exercises but without that a barefoot shoe and delayed or incorrect sequencing in muscle activation can create problems for many people

[@thysonsacclaim]

Thank you.

[@Losovox]

Bro I don't even know half of what you're saying but you're using big words so I believe you

[@arxeha]

i like your fancy words magic man

[@gymbobjoe1091]

What a fantastic reply! Orthotics definitely do have there place! Thanks for giving your time to get the info across.

[@ziggystardust3060]

This is so interesting, thanks for commenting! I spent a lot of my childhood barefoot (I was a tomboy) and have been blessed with really good feet. They're small for my height, and I have high arches, and they're strong, so I'm one of the lucky ones. There are a couple of puzzling things though... when I point my toes, as in ballet, I get cramp in the muscles under my feet immediately. Why is that? Also, I simply cannot stand the feeling of anything from a shoe touching my arch, as found in some training shoes and some scholls/sliders, because it makes me feel nauseous. Why on earth does that happen? I'm sure I'm not the only one who has these sensations. 😫

[@joeblowgoes]

Some critique about the arch comparison from an engineer: A top Loaded force s distributed throughout, and ultimately supported at the ends but theres still internal stresses throughout the arch thats not even. Due to the geometry and direction of the load (which would be variable and dynamic to some 90 degrees) on the arch, you'd have more stress from compression or shearing on different parts. So the simplest way to make a structural member stronger is to make it thicker, so an arch support essentially add more material thats weaker than your bones, but strong enough to take some weight from your arch. Also the stress and deformation comparison between a solid steel member, brick and mortar, and bone supported by muscles and tendons. But I have found lifting with a flat shoe gives me better balance. I'm also flat footed on one foot, with some kind of constructed arch on a deformed foot that was injured in childhood so my anecdotal evidence is not representative of the general population.

[@sheet-son]

You're not an engineer

[@aravshah8303]

@@sheet-son By what logic is he not an engineer?

[@bozotheclown1142]

You mean NOT representative of the general population, right?

[@knobssss]

@@bozotheclown1142 duh

[@gabrielgiron4273]

In your middle paragraph, "make it thicker", I believe yes you are correct - an arch support does make the foot arch stronger. However, he is talking about a long term fix, so the foot will actually get stronger and as you mentioned, able to handle more dynamic forces. A flat foot is the least efficient way of supporting heavy loads, and by doing exercises like stretching the toes out, flexing them back in and breaking up tension in the fascia underneath, it would therefore promote a natural arch. Thank you for your insight, it was educational. 👍🏻

[@sya286]

If you have plantar fasciitis, please listen to a foot doctor. I re-injured my foot with this logic. Did I have to wear arch support forever? No, but if you need it, wear it.

[@spaghettiman426]

Don’t listen to this guy he’s stupid, he injured himself without letting himself adapt to non supported shoes. Your supposed to strengthen your foot muscles and gradually adapt to the barefoot shoes.

[@Bigkahkistan]

Ppl get plantar fasciitis from modern footwear in the first place. It’s practically non existent in unshod populations.

[@Blobbyo25]

Most flat-soled shoe producers advise slowly transitioning to them to avoid injuring yourself. If your feet have never had to arch by themselves before, and you go for a run in a pair of barefoots, your foot will not enjoy it. Break yourself in with steadily increasing lengths of walk before doing anything strenuous, or wearing them as your day-to-day shoe immediately

[@Demon09-_-]

@@Blobbyo25 this is the way... Ive seen far to many people jump in and get injured and blame barefoot shoes... people just are impatient in general. If you took a step back you would not expect something that has been supported its whole life to be fine going full bore with 0 support.

[@RichRich1955]

Strong arches are key but arch support insoles can prevent a nasty plantar fasciitis. Stretching the calves can't be overlooked as well.

[@christiangrant2931]

I'm gonna go with the advice of my actual foot doctor thank you very much

[@myliza700]

Right ☠️ like bro the image he used is what my arch aids looked like. I don't wear them anymore bc I got them when I was a teen and I was lazy and didn't want to switch them out... But it's hilarious that he's pushing for flat soled shoes when that is literally the first thing they will tell you: don't wear flat soled shoes.

[@Andrew-it7fb]

I stopped going to my podiatrist because the orthotics he kept having me buy never fixed my issues. It wasn't till I went barefoot that I got better.

[@cinnamon5675]

@@Andrew-it7fb I had customized ones, they hurt like hell for the first week but my god I never thought they’d be so comfy. Of course there’s the expense, depends on your insurance if it’s covered but it changed my life

[@Andrew-it7fb]

@@cinnamon5675 mine didn't fix my posterior tibial tendon pain because they didn't address the problem I had. I was overpronating, but I was also not using the outside of my foot to push off at all and was putting too much pressure on the posterior tibial tendon. I managed to restore mobility to my mid and outer foot and strengthen my foot muscles so I no longer need arch supports at all. I never wear shoes in the house anymore and wear only minimalist shoes outside. My podiatrist told me that I wouldn't ever be able to walk without orthotics. So much for that diagnosis.

[@cinnamon5675]

@@Andrew-it7fb that sounds amazing! I have tendinitis, and had pretty bad control over my feet, which caused me to cause twist a tendon and dislocate + fracture two toes. I over pronate but I have gotten much better with orthotics, where I don’t have pain if I walk over two blocks! It sucks cause my family though I was lazy when it was really just the tendonitis declining my arch so I have semi flat feet. Now my new challenge is os trigonum, which cracks my entire foot if I point it (and I’m a dancer so it cracks almost daily) I’m currently in pt but will probably get the quick surgery

[@idontthinkso6172]

This is kinda misleading because there’s people who actually have real foot problems so telling them to just wear better shoes or no shoes at all might make the situation worse.

[@travis5732]

If you already know you have a problem, odds are most of the common videos you find won't be useful. These people have a brain too, don't you think?

[@dimitrijekrstic7567]

It's kinda not misleading for the 99,9% percent of people watching this

[@jacob1121]

Tip number 1 lose some weight, magically joint problems vanish.

[@idontthinkso6172]

@@jacob1121 my pain was the worst when I was probably my skinniest. Right now I’m 155 and 5’10. Pretty sure not I’m fat Edit: and I was also 12 at that time. Now I’m 16 and i don’t have pain despite my feet still being messed up. I wear insoles and my shoes aren’t tight around my toes. What really actually got the pain to go away tho was doing tons of calve exercises and just normal weighted leg exercises like squats and lunges.

[@Vitapantern]

@@idontthinkso6172 Your way to young for anyone to know for sure what is the problem you still grow and will be pain in random places until you fully grown.

[@mannymm7887]

I got a better idea… don’t compare a human foot to a bridge

[@idontknowagoodname3015]

A human door?

[@mannymm7887]

@@idontknowagoodname3015 💀 bruh foot not door

[@yurickmartis5593]

it's a fantastic comparison bruv.

[@rumpeltyltskyn]

I’ve seen like three of these videos now and now I’m CERTAIN this guy is just selling a specific brand of shoes.

[@totalphantasm]

As an engineer, pushing in from the sides is the SECOND best way to support an arch. The BEST WAY is to fill in all of the space beneath the arch with an appropriate material so the arch doesn’t have to do anything. Ya know, arch support.

[@soupflood]

The foot arch, unlike a dead bridge arch, has to be used so that it doesn't lose strength. In other words, having something else chew the food for you so that your teeth stay strong for longer will actually work against your teeth and against yourself.

[@totalphantasm]

@@soupflood you don’t get to pick and choose what the allegory does and doesn’t apply to. Unlike an arch bridge your foot also doesn’t see load in the center of the arch, the bones don’t physically grind against each other to be held up with friction. It’s a poor comparison made to sell weird ass shoes. Arch support or not all of your power should come from either the toes, or from the heels, so the muscles should be getting strengthened anyway.

[@EvanPilb]

Arch support is unnecessary, and is compensation for weak feet. A bridge is stationary, feet are moving. If you rely on support without solving root issues, you will end up elderly with issues too late to solve.

[@alfredwindslow1894]

The reason you don’t support the arch at the middle is because that would defeat the entire point of the arch in the first place lol (to create an opening underneath). Plus some arches do get supported in the middle

[@shleeb896]

Precisely also the foot doesn’t work like a bridge, this arch isn’t as ridged and can conform to its environment. I am still not convinced by the naturalist science on shoes this guy has.

[@quincymarquis-brown5803]

What if I you don’t have an arch at all. Flat feet?

[@Demon09-_-]

@@quincymarquis-brown5803 if they are truly flat feet its a little different but alot of people with "flat feet" have what is known as a fallen arch which can be caused by a number of things including supporting an arch and the muscles and tendons weakning or ankle weakness and pronation. the odd thing with foot doctors is some how life long support is an ok and normal thing. imgaine if you went in for back pain and got a back brace for life suggested as a normal thing

[@JellyAntz]

@@shleeb896 The foot works like an arch and a spring, but more like a spring. Functionally, the arch of the foot is designed to support the weight of your body, but the strength of the foot, ankle, and lower leg muscles allow the arch to actually exist and spring with tension, sort of like a reversal force. It’s much more intricate and complicated than a simple rigid arch of a stone bridge. The “naturalist science” of this guy is true logically and practically, but since engineering is not his area of expertise, he didn’t quite give the exact analogy to it. You have to remember that our ancestors came from billions of years of living in nature, and only very recently have we been forced into civilization that we are physically and mentally not designed for naturally. We try to adjust civilization to ourselves, but there will always be discrepancies. Only less than 100 years ago, modern shoe companies prioritized fashion over functionality in shoes.

[@Meli_monster]

I had flat feet as a kid. And it caused me to walk with my feet / \ like that. So my parents got me custom shoes that forced the arch. They looked like Mary Jane's. I didn't like to use them cause the kids called them clown shoes and bullied me. Now I see them buying those shoes ._.

[@procraft]

The problem is that regular shoes force our toes together, especially the big toe is forced inward and this will put the ligaments in their most extended position, always. The ligaments that connect from our toes (especially the big toe) are none flexible, this is the reason for heel spurs to form, the skeleton literally grows to shorten the length the ligament travels. If you'd look at people that never wore shoes you'd see that the toes naturally are stretched super wide, like "wow is that really how untouched feet look?". When we ruin the foot mechanism by using small toe boxes the arch collapses and our feet hit the ground with an inwards angle and the forces travel upwards to our knees which absorbs every step in an inwards angle and the result is that 80% of old people got joint problems. Having a bridge support will correct the angle of how the foot hits the ground, although those plastic hollow ones are pretty weak, they don't support a lot of weight. But a bridge support won't fix the problem neither, fixing the problem requires using the foot normally, being barefoot or in barefoot shoes but that's not always an option and requires quite a lot of determination as well. So bridge supports do work, but they don't fix the problem.

[@WHITELIONNYC]

Barefoot shoes are ridiculously overpriced. They use much less material of inferior quality. It's tough out here.

[@ramicollo]

Can you fix flat feet by changing to barefoot shoes?

[@WHITELIONNYC]

@@ramicollo I wonder the same. If the tissues and other stuff there is dead maybe only some sort of transplant can maybe help but the risks and expense probably not worth the low probability of it helping.

[@procraft]

@@ramicollo I do myself use insoles since I need to use workboots, but barefoot shoes (and maybe preferably with a silicone toe spreader to get started) should fix flat feet... But it's probably a long and hurtful process. I'd say get insoles and work up your musculature over a longer period of time.

[@salj.5459]

ramicollo Yes, over a period of a few months

[@fortyozfreedom3456]

Idk, at work i have to stand most of the time and my feet would hurt bad. arch support actually worked for me. I didnt have a problem standing in boots all day after switching out to an arch support insole

[@chrisrosch4731]

Problem is it further weakens your already weak muscles

[@zondaboy6493]

Probably because your shoes and socks don't allow your toes to spread out.

[@G7777K]

Yea you feel good with them in, but your feet wouldn’t work if you had to run barefoot. You can slowly build strength in your own feet toes & arches but you have to wear shoes that let your pinky toes move & grip the ground to even start building that strength. Through walking + exercising in barefoot style shoes I’ve built up the strength to stand up all day at work in a very thin sole shoe after wearing orthotics for 20 years

[@fortyozfreedom3456]

@@G7777K i live in the tropics. We play basketball in flipflops. We go everywhere in flipflops(almost barefoot). Im a seasonal worker, so i relocate to a jobsite where i have to wear boots. Arch support saves my season till i get home and back to freefooting. But im glad youve found that it works for you

[@Filip-ci3ng]

@@zondaboy6493 I totally screwed up my feet using flat wide shoes. Not sure about this advice

[@cahmar9642]

I had prescribed arches in shoes for years but they never helped. After being bare foot in covid my feet adjusted and are almost fully back to normal, this might not work for everyones case but it did for me.

[@matthewlezon2475]

If you put land under an arch bridge to support it then the bridge won’t collapse..?

[@banksnicholson]

Well, I’ve had a foot doctor ever since I was about 11 because my feet are so flat they roll inward. I started getting knee, foot, and back pain that was terrible in 5th grade. Not very fun. Now for about the last decade I’ve been using custom molded inserts that are made for my feel not just shit bought off the shelves. Let me say, yes they absolutely do work and save me an unbelievable amount of pain. The ones on store shelves may not be very good, but if you’re paying 350 a pair for custom ones yeah they work out pretty damn fine.

[@hippybecca]

You can teach your self to strengthen the muscles so you don't roll in. I've been working in this.

[@banksnicholson]

@@hippybecca not for me. To make it clear, I have a pretty bad birth defect in my feet. They aren’t just normal flat, they cave completely in because a part of my foot is like not working. No strength training would work for my instance, that’s why my inserts are custom made to mold my foot to how it should be

[@chazmuska]

Both answers are valid. Although its good to try to strengthen the foot/arch muscles, some birth abnormal arthrokinematcs are too severe and do benefit from inserts. So they do serve their purpose for some.

[@MallardPie]

I don't know what an arch is, I'm flat footed

[@jaeyd4]

Orthopedic technician here, this may come as a surprise, but the foots arch is not made of bricks, but of bone, muscle and ligament structures. In passive correction insoles, this is exactly how the Medial arch is supported. In active correction insoles there is a much higher, harder and more concentrated support element because it works by loading or unloading tendons, which is registered by the body, which then adjusts the muscle tension to reach its "baselines" tension again, actively correctly the foots posture

[@stearnsy4005]

He’s got a promo deal with vivo barefoot and spouts this bullshit constantly despite being scrutinised for it

[@jaeyd4]

@@stearnsy4005 we love a good shill

[@Big_Serb]

I got wide feet, and tbh nike af1's are one of the most comfortable shoes ive ever had. Usually i wore flat sneakers (because wide feet and weight), but the af1 was a whole different experience. Not all nike shoes are crap

[@andulasis6283]

Agree! Was boutta say, I have really big and wide feet and i have plenty of space in my nike pairs Not so much in vans

[@EvanPilb]

bruh i cannot for the life of me wear nikes after wearing wider shoes, they are so narrow.

[@anerdwitdacamera204]

I’m surprised that so many people don’t believe this. Just take off you shoes, and walk around by instinct in your home and you will feel the difference. For me, after I switched to barefoot shoes for running, ALL my knee feet back hip pain are gone.

[@jcarmy5808]

That’s what I have been feeling like I feel like my whole side of my foot has one pressure and it needs support on that side

[@Daywalker777r]

i think my vans got my back

[@Daywalker777r]

literally

[@CybertroninfiniteOfficial]

meh

[@Demon09-_-]

vans have pretty meh toe boxes tbh. there are brands with similar style of vans and a more shoe shapped toe boxes though

[@Daywalker777r]

@@Demon09-_- my pinky toe on my left foot understands you man but some of my vans i dont have an issue depends on the style i guess

[@infinitybauer1187]

My feet are flat, as the bones/joints in many parts of my body tend to collapse (I have a genetic condition). I can assure you, the “arches” of my feet are not like grand Roman arches and are more like a rotting plank of wood hastily thrown across two rooftops.

[@EvanPilb]

skill issue

[@spencerlucas5835]

he also forgot to mention actual bridges do not flex like your foot arches do during the activity of walking or running

[@TEWMUCH]

uhm, actually, most bridges are still made to move a bit. they must give because if there was no space for it to move, then it would be very brittle and snap. so lots of bridges are supported with a "roller". a bridge does not move in the same way that a foot does obviously, but they do move. have you every sat in traffic on a bridge and you can feel it go up and down when the force of a car zooms past....

[@Richard_Garza_]

As a runner, I disagree. I used to have plantar fasciitis and it prevented me from running until I started investing in insoles. Now I run marathons and looking to do more Ultras.

[@windermere2330]

Have you ever tried those Vibram five finger shoes?

[@mexdrago3009]

No, you just had minor foot pain. Real plantar fasciitis never truly goes away.

[@EvanPilb]

Insoles, if you are not physically compromised, are compensation for a hidden root issue

[@rayyanshaikh5591]

So basically: the best way to support your foots arch is to make sure all the load is on it, and using absolutely no support... Got it 👍👍

[@qfoneqgfcwf2870]

And use wide shoes lmao

[@EvanPilb]

supporting an arch by filling it defeats the purpose. Train and get stronger feet, load should be on fore foot mostly. Wide shoes help, nike is so constricting. If you don't do any exercise, you will just end up crawling back to "support", until it's too late to solve your elderly issues.

[@mikerouch416]

I've been wearing zero drop running shoes for over a decade. I'm usually trying to explain the wide box being necessary. Thanks for the video.

[@emhoj97]

My feet arches literally do go flat though, so I need the support in the middle to even be able to walk anywhere. A 5min walk to the store would be slowed to 20min if I didn't have the arch support because of the pain in my lower legs. This short is ✨ bullshit ✨ dont listen to it. If arch supporting soles works for you and relieve pain, use them!!

[@tjkim1999]

In a bridge, you load the top of the arch, and that force is distributed across the arch. In the foot arch, the forces are applied at the bases. How tf you think these systems are going to be comparable?

[@themr_wilson]

When you're standing, is your body weight on top or under your foot? Good grief

[@stepanremes987]

The weakest part of Arch is the user. I use Arch, by the way.

[@icylime3607]

Is.. Is that a Linux reference?? (I use Arch btw)

[@stepanremes987]

@@icylime3607 yeah I was watching GNU/Linux shorts and this dropped into the mix

[@jalihumunguy6309]

Nice beard bro, I compiled my own Gentoo from source with custom indexing for faster register allocation by the way

[@rodrigomonteromiguez6684]

Jokes on you, my feet are flatter than a fucking duck’s

[@pimplecheese337]

I don’t think it’s as simple as switching to wide toe box shoe as well as barefoot shoe. I tried to switch to barefoot but it just gave me achilles tendonitis which I’m still dealing with a couple months later

[@maggiethedruid9010]

Did you walk heel to toe or toe to heel? Makes a difference. You also have to adjust slowly to build up the supporting muscles in your feet if you're used to having the supports in. Otherwise they wont be strong enough to support the weight as they should. Wear cushy insoles if you're on concrete for extended periods though, we weren't designed to stand on that all day we were designed to walk on dirt and grass, which is way softer.

[@givememychannelback5425]

It's all part of the process

[@Anne_Onymous]

The arch supports I use actually helped me tremendously. I have extremely high arches and was in so much pain that I left my career for a desk job. I tried countless "high arch" supports but they were horrible. Then I found a certain brand that had really high, stiff plastic arches (along with a gel heel). Those arch supports saved my life! It's been a few years and I'm back to my regular job. My plantar fascitis is gone and my ankle pain disappeared. I'm terrified to go without them and risk being pain or increasing the size of my heel spurs. So when people try to tell me to wear archless, "barefoot" shoes, I'm like.... 😱 Nooooooo!!

[@darkstar913]

can you share the brand or the arch name. I'm in need of some high and extra rigid inserts.

[@EvanPilb]

Arch support is compensation for weak feet. Will temporarily alleviate pain, however it will leave you with a lack of solid foundation, meaning you will run into stability issues as you get older (back pain, feet pain). You can't be lazy, have to solve the root issue by training.

[@Anne_Onymous]

@@EvanPilb I wouldn't exactly call years of trying special shoes, custom orthotics, stretching, massage, physical therapy, medications, and then surgery "lazy." It's kind of hard to strengthen tissue that's perpetually inflamed. Especially when it's being jabbed by huge heel spurs every time you take a step. When you find something that works, you take it. ✌️

[@UnknownShiny]

flat-footed people finding out that their foot is weak: ain't never gonna skip foot day no more

[@Lexi-vv3yl]

It feels like this vid implies that theres nothing wrong with your foot if its flat as long as you wear a shoe that is wide enough? Im not a doctor but this feels incorrect.

[@Demon09-_-]

what wearing a wider shoe without support will do is help the muscles and tendons that make the arch get working again. but thats only with a flexible flat foot which is the most common. feet doctors rarely care about what caused your fallen arches and thats half the issue. instead of finding out someone has fallen arches because of pronation in the ankle or ill fitting shoes we instead slap support in them. Imagine going into any other doctor with an issue and instead of figuring out why you had back pain they went here is a brace wear it daily from now on. There are cases where someone may have legit tendon issues causing fallen arches but arch support is far more wide spread then it needs to be

[@EvanPilb]

No, he is saying if it is flat, you shouldn't be compensating with "support" and "cushioning" you should be training your feet to gain your arch back, unless you physically cannot like some elderly.

[@lucakun3455]

the problem: an arch brich is diffrent from a fcking foot maybe it looks similar but it's build completly diffrent

[@blu4able360]

I use arch btw

[@infra_r3d133]

Any doctor or therapist will tell you that “bracing” will weaken muscles over time and is highly situational; ex. Post surgical bracing, deloading* braces post sprain injury, etc. it’s a short term strategy. If you’ve been wearing “normal” shoes your whole life, then you’ve been bracing your foot for possibly DECADES. All of the muscles in your foot will be ridiculously weak in that case. You will need to start from the ground up with intrinsic and extrinsic muscle strengthening of the foot and ankle; flexor hallucis longus, abductor hallicus, tibialis posterior/anterior, and soleus. Toe spreaders can help with mobility, also, if your foot is rigid. Quit looking for a quick fix and get into a longer term solution that will provide great benefits for your feet, ankles, knees, hips, and lower back. Edit: Autocorrect correction of reloading to deloading

[@moonflower5553]

That's great and all, but i wouldn't be caught dead in the shoes he recommends

[@RPEpsilon-lc4vm]

Why not? There are wide barefoot shoes that look like normal shoes, not all are finger socks :p

[@nugienugraha2326]

Or squat with no shoes bcs i am broke af 😢😢

[@diegot1533]

That’s even better. Allowing your feet to naturally spread through a squat is good

[@elimanic7925]

I'm flat footed on one side. I need a physical arch under my left foot, or else my body is uneven, leading to knee and hip pain over the years. The flat base would only make my condition worse...

[@somefuckertookmynickname]

I swear to fucking god 30 percent of my shorts are wide toe videos from this guy

[@Parpeing]

I have flat feet and this is the dumbest shit ive ever heard Also dangerous advice for people who need real foot support like me

[@gates3827]

Yes getting a wide shoe is dangerous.

[@justineugene6691]

Chat steamrolled this man

[@dagoelius]

These "natural foot shoes' are massively overpriced.

[@LuisC7]

Whitin shoes are 40 bucks sometimes less and they're great

[@maggiethedruid9010]

They are..

[@naomif9964]

I don't have an existing arch lol

[@arunimics8377]

hey I have trouble understanding the video I have a flat foot so should I get a flat sole for squating because all footwear I have are customized for my flat feet or should I squat bare foot

[@indigoblue8600]

I have a similar issue, I’ve seen several doctors about it since I wasn’t able to run without pain for a long time. They prescribed a similar solution, arch support in shoes and stuff. I’d say if this is like your case, stick to what they’ve told you to do. Right now I squat with my arch support inserts with a little heel raise from some 5 lb plates on the floor. With that setup I’ve had 0 pain at all. Hope that helps!

[@arunimics8377]

@@indigoblue8600 thanks 😊

[@skyfire1129]

Recently started walking in thin soled zero-drop "barefoot" shoes to strengthen my feet. Two weeks in I'm developing pain that feels like plantar fasciitis I had 3 years ago that only went away when I started wearing molded insoles. I think something that's missed here is that we live in concrete jungles now. We're not walking on grass & dirt in bare feet every day. Asphalt & concrete do not absorb any shock.

[@thefourthhorsemanwithornam9314]

Flat sole does not mean hard sole or lack of support. He’s just saying that aggressive arches in the sole are not good.

[@Snow-Willow]

Well, not all of us live in concrete jungles. But that is a point too. But I think also part of it is people jump full into barefoot after the foot is already super weakened by modern shoes. You actually have to work back up to full minimalist shoes or you can indeed injure yourself. There are foot and toe exercises you can do to strengthen those back up and help adjust to barefoot better.

[@theannoyingguy1840]

Wow brilliant idea if I do that my knees will bend inwards and hurt again fuckign brilliant

[@user-lv4ne7nq1h]

I'm not knowledgeable about this topic,but I trust my doctor more than some dude on youtube short. Also the whole "wide" shoe thing doesn't work with sports like football,basketball, or any other sport with alot of side movements.if the shoe is not tight enough,you are gonna be sliding in the shoe.

[@Zachdeadpool]

Bro thinks he knows more than my pediatrist eith a phd

[@chromeandprimer5361]

As someone with nearly completely flat feet I’ll say this is BS for certain foot types. You can’t strengthen a low arch. You can strengthen the calf and work on walking mechanics and barefoot shoes can help with that. I use barefoot shoes and while, yes, toe spread is very valuable for proprioception, the flat sole is not useful for a fallen arch unless you want to deal with stress fractures and chronic foot pain. It’s also true that shoe companies have overemphasized support as a way to sell cushion and new technologies. Folks with healthy feet don’t need an overly supportive shoe for their day to day life but giving out the advice “less support is better” is just irresponsible. Squat university videos do not replace proper medical analysis and intervention.

[@maggiethedruid9010]

You should still be able to strengthen the muscles in the feet around the arch but yeah, you need to get good arched shoes as a child with flat feet to correct it. If not you'll always need extra cushion and support. I would recommend wide toe box/ foot shaped shoes with insoles or those arch supports that wrap around the center of the foot so you can wear them around the house when barefoot. I had to wear those after a foot injury a few years back.

[@seankrake4776]

Bridges are also under immense stress at all times. But you know what is stronger than a bridge. If you took a bridge and supported the entirety of it from underneath, effectively just making a road, there isn’t any stress on it.

[@AdelardRen]

I've always found high arch support shoes to be horrobly painful.

[@hiptobejarrod]

Some of the fastest runners in the world are actually isolated tribes. They are also barefoot runners too

[@serg2537]

I thought it was to make the arch for people with no arch not to support an existing arch

[@G7777K]

A lot of people don’t have arches because they’ve been cramming their feet into narrow shoes with way too much cushioning since they were a baby & have no strength in their feet or toes. (I was one of these people for a long time)

[@drbary4697]

Well for me I'm genetic when it comes to that it's called flat foot pretty simple I was born without an arch in my foot and that's what those arches are for with those souls which is why I'm confused as to why he's showing those specific type of arches cuz that's the exact type people like me use to support our feet

[@Bigkahkistan]

@@drbary4697 thats nonsense no one is born with flat feet, babies’ arches haven’t even developed yet how would you know if they’re going to walk flatfooted or not at birth?

[@Blobbyo25]

@@drbary4697 Being flat-footed isn't a genetic condition, you just have weak feet (although you may have a genetic disposition for this). Anyone can develop an arch

[@wolverinexo6417]

@@G7777K no. Vans can flatten your feet.

[@pizzapozz7733]

I was a valet for years. My feet hurt so bad after 2 weeks of very busy shifts. We stood/ ran/ jogged and picked things up (lifting luggage) all day. No sitting. I went to Walmart. Bought a Dr Scholl's pad (Bec the cheaper ones aren't worth it) and it completely removed the pain. I think both are good. Don't rely on a foreign object to keep your body together (like posture fixers) but don't dismiss them entirely. Do exercise that area and use therapy if needed.

[@loganrules5587]

Not true, analogy doesn't work out

[@EvanPilb]

Then why don't athletes wear arch support

[@nozzle-yt]

There is truth to the concept. I bought a pair of shoes from Vivo barefoot and have developed a more muscular arch over time. It has helped straighten my ankles and minimized interior tilting knees.

[@cleeenexx]

What if you don't have a arch and have flat feet? 💀

[@mawiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii]

I started to wear arch support soles like first pic when I started working as a nursing assistant. But those soles made my feet hurt so bad 💀

[@Dunika]

Did you know that those type of foot support are meant to relieve the pressure from your arch, and it’s meant for people with foot pain who overwork their feet on flat surfaces without having the muscle tone? It’s meant to be paired with feet exercises and not to be worn forever. Wearing the right type of footwork is important, but is not a magic cure for every foot ailment. For people with a flat arch, or that need arch correction, the highest point of the support is under the end of the calcaneus, and all of the muscles of the fascia plantar is are left hanging free, so that they keep moving freely and working and developing. The sides of the foot are also supported with special shoes or foot soles . If you have chronic flat arches they are not going to magically cure if you walk barefoot. That said, flat arches are not a problem per se, and it doesn’t necessarily mean that you are going to have foot pain or other problems in the future.

[@Virgil_Thrasher]

Dude you're such a breath of fresh air in this industry of liars and frauds. Thanks for the free high-quality information as always ❤️

[@Julia-xz7vb]

100% !! 👏👏

[@mrjustcausegames5330]

All he needs to admit is that android is better

[@bremCZ]

Believing in bullshit doesn't mean it's not bullshit.

[@okyep]

He's lying

[@doodlecaboodle9298]

He's one of the liars my guy

[@jimtsap04]

Personally I used to have flat feet and would often get cramps up until middle school, it may have been the my flat shoes I always wore that were hip and trendy because one day I got a cramp so bad I decided to buy an arched pair to see if I could alleviate any future pain, immediately on the coming days I had a lot fewer cramps and after a few physical therapy sessions my feet also regained their arch, now I can't remember my last foot cramp and have no difficulty wearing either flat or arched shoes.

[@meltedWax169]

When you have flat feet

[@mrspress8057]

All I know is wearing arch supports has always caused me a lot of pain. I don’t know why, it just does.

[@chrisvercruysse1138]

Unfortunately, bi-lateral planter fasciitis makes me wear supportive insoles. And even if I started wearing barefoot shoes, the widespread part would still be that ball of my feet because I have massive bunions.

[@g0dzilla_au]

Aite well I can't even walk a kilometre without severe foot pain unless I'm wearing orthotics so I'ma keep doing that.

[@iwankazlow2268]

Which is a result of modern footwear.

[@g0dzilla_au]

@@iwankazlow2268 barefoot or in shoe the pain is still there. And is "foot shape" not modern footware too?

[@MOH3601]

It is meant for people with low or no arch (no center nor sides of a “bridge”). It is really about the body’s biomechanics and skeletal alignment. Sure shoes with wider toe space no problem with that go for it + exercises, but if you try arch support and it relieves your pain or makes you function better then done hesitate

[@EvanPilb]

Support is compensation for feet that are untrained, and have adapted to relying on cushioning. Will bite back in the future with unsuspecting back pain and more. Solve the root issue

[@jeremystig98]

The point of insoles is to reduce pain and unnecesaary stress on your joints and knees when walking around all day long. They don't strengthen your natural arch and they never promised to do so... You can still try to strengthen your feet with special exercise, but you don't want to walk around with thin flat soled shoes without insoles if you already have severe problems and pain.... well unless you like pain and destroy your knees, hips, ankles, etc.

[@EvanPilb]

People commenting "a foot isn't a bridge" as if that's the point of the video, he's only comparing the shape to simply point out the significance of foot structure and strength to a large demographic of people, so people don't think "arch support" is a solution (it's not it's a compensation))

[@jakdexter2075]

Okay the only problem I had is my foot isn’t made of stone 😢.

[@chic0latin0]

I am not an engineer nor a biologist but it seems very obvious the structure of the foot is not the same as an arched bridge

[@fwater9543]

Sorry man, I’m gonna keep wearing my arch supports given to me by the hospital rather than listen to some random guy online

[@carnivault]

arch supports help if you have flat feet by holding the foot in a normal position. in my case, my arches were collapsed and arch supports kept my foot upright, rather than letting them roll in on the arch, and this reduced my pain. being barefoot and wearing wide flat shoes hurt me more. for someone with good arches and normal foot structure arch supports can be unnecessary, but definitely not for the rest of us.

[@kagedbirdd3591]

Yeah no, I’m keeping the orthotics the hospital gave me so I can actually walk. The foot, ankle, knee, and back pain from going without them isn’t because of my shoe’s toe box. My toe boxes are plenty wide.

[@caijones156]

If an engineer could support the middle, he would. But usually there's a thing called cost and even sometimes they need a large under bridge space

[@EvanPilb]

it is unnecessary, that's why.

[@kryblood4889]

Kinda makes sense why lifting shoes are flat now doesnt it

[@ANGES509]

Flat feet gang

[@ringperm]

Arch support in my every day shoe is what gave me plantar fasciitis. It took me a long time to figure that out. Fortunately for me, I enjoy walking in vibram five fingers. And after I started wearing these as my regular shoes at the office, I got alot better after just a few weeks. I belive that these shoes helped to strengthen the bottom of my feet, and by doing so helped to fix my issue. If I get a new shoe with too much arch support, I either replace the offending insole with a flatter version, or add a heel spur/sole to counter the arch support.

[@carleigh.charlton]

ok… but hear me out… my arch likes to disappear without arch support and orthotics… so no matter what kinda bridge it is… my knees are still gonna bend inwards without it

[@Nerdniche]

Fun fact: as a ballerina, getting on pointe requires all your toes to carry weight, not just the big toe. You also need the arch in your foot to help strengthen that. I have a flat foot, so I have to do extra strengthening but those flat shoes will actually help a lot with both the arch, and stretching your toes naturally

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

Every logger, rural firefighter and lineman will call bs on you trash-talking arch support. A good leather or steel shank is king.

[@Kostadin_Arolski]

This doesn't make much sence, since if you don't have any arch, supporting it from the side wont do shit. You need arch support

[@vidguru0062]

Spreading out the toes actually does way more to support the entire foot and maintain foot strength than an arch support does.

[@Kostadin_Arolski]

@@vidguru0062 no it doesn't, the lack of arch twists your whole leg after it, and makes your whole body lack support. You can have back pain from it. But your toes don't do shit, i have never had balance problems lmao, it's just visual

[@shleeb896]

@@vidguru0062 not having any support will make you prone to injury

[@100Franky]

When she arching I put pressure on the back side and the arch breaks

[@jetstreamsulaman1910]

Not my feet. My feet are so flat even doctors get confused when they see them.

[@podman1935]

The underlying issue is that all these people that go against orthoses and state muscle stretching and exercises should fix the problem is that our foot shape /positions is based on genetics that determine foot and leg shape. Some people have high arched feet some low arched and somewhere in the middle. Also feet may be out toed forward or slightly in toed due to tibia / femur development which will have an affect on foot posture.(Also bow legs knock knees) Then some of us are flexible and again will affect foot posture. One foot may collapse more (pronate) and cause a functional limb length difference, which can cause lower and upper back/ neck pain. Shin pain Achilles pain plantarfasciitis, anterior knee pain IT band pain trochanteric bursitis all caused by excessive pronation. And yes orthotics do work to help relieve these symptoms. How much does cost to see a chiropractor?, compared to bespoke foot orthoses? I have a pair of orthoses that are 14 years old and still doing the job!!

[@nznige]

great comment, I have heard this analogy of the arch collapse point before, what you have said could explain what alot of experts I have seen cant seem to figure out, they thought with the way I walk/run I had different length legs, but I don't. I am getting late stage collapse on one side, which is giving me lower inner calf and outer knee pain I think

[@podman1935]

Hi Nige Thanks for your comment Yes there are lot of professionals that sound good but then supply off the shelf I’m a ex podiatry lecture and in private practice Knutsford if you need an assessment :):) k

[@EvanPilb]

Unless you are physically or genetically disabled or elderly, everyone should be able to strengthen their feet through training. Support is simply a compensation for a lack of that, or a lack of correct form over years.

[@bobnetwork5883]

He said load is distributed around the whole structure and there is no weak point. Wouldn't that mean that a shoe with an arch would be better? Since the whole foot would be in contact with the shoe.

[@jadenwentz6773]

I’m no expert, but I think that disrupts the normal functions and load distributions of the muscles and bone structures in the feet. This would actually promote bad function, instead of just letting the foot work how it is supposed to. The arch isn’t supposed to have something like that under it, so why would you put something like that under it? Imagine an arched bridge with a mountain growing under it. If the mountain is high enough it will definitely disrupt the functioning of the bridge. I think that’s how it works. Hopefully this is correct.

[@blockofdirt6051]

@@jadenwentz6773 you're right.

[@chunye215]

When I need Arch support I usually check out their wiki, or forums. I'm using Arch, btw.

[@antonbaydala9780]

How do you know if someone is using arch linux? They’ll tell you

[@menendez6218]

lmaoo

[@oopalonga]

They don't make flat sole shoes as wide as my feet go just FYI.

[@K.L.-]

I want to believe him because I was born with flat feet and I’m tired of the pain it brings… but as someone who rarely wears shoes (I mostly work from home), this doesn’t pan out. Why do I still suffer if nothing is even obstructing my toes. Something tells me it’s not that simple, but nice ad I guess.

[@revenger211]

He literally said "it's about the arch you have that matters." This is supposed to work for people who have normal arches, flat foot and high arch is another story and it isn't that simple.

[@teshn1229]

If you you're looking for home friendly arch support you can buy thongs/jandals/flip-flops with them e.g. Archies brand.

[@ndub5781]

Unless you have flat feet.

[@EvanPilb]

Flat feet are solveable

[@arianamaria_]

Came here to say this sounded like pseudo science and I’m glad that people with the correct knowledge were already in the comments to prove me right

[@a.brucemcdonald9038]

I go barefoot most of the time. My UGG boots are close to barefoot as far as fit and feel. I get laughed at for them and told they are bad for my feet. I disagree and so do my feet.

[@jaguarholly7156]

Theyve crippled all our feet and we should all sue

[@tuananhhoang7113]

It's not like people have different feet size and physiology. Maybe you should just have look for a shoe that you felt comfortable in instead m

[@EvanPilb]

Honestly, the modern shoe shapes suck, and modern orthotics hand out foot weakening insoles like candy just for temporary "support"