Squishy keys feel good? - Niz Plum x87 Review

[@TeslasTechnology]

It isn't membrane, it's rubber dome! There's a difference. This uses an electrocapacitive sensing mechanism to detect keypresses, and not a membrane. This is capacitive in nature, not conductive. Hope that clears things up.

[@HipyoTech]

Thanks for the clarification! I was trying to do some research on the actual technology and kept getting confused

[@robr640]

@@HipyoTech To add to Tesla's Tech post, the fact that these are EC has led to some debate if they are to be considered "mechanical" switches or not. They occupy a weird middle ground since they use rubber domes but do actuate before bottom out (that is if you can keep from bottoming out due to the collapsing nature of rubber domes).

[@HipyoTech]

@@robr640 super interesting thanks!!

[@robr640]

@@HipyoTech No prob, keep up the awesome work man!

[@KindOldRaven]

Love these keyboards honestly. I've been using one as a daily driver for work and gaming for over a year now.

[@cubeography]

the production quality of your channel at this amount of subs is insane

[@HipyoTech]

I appreciate that!

[@imfromfloridayouwontunders8315]

Facts

[@tussaly]

@@HipyoTech Nice

[@Paralyzedable]

This lowkey the most on point comment ever.

[@jouska9819]

Hah, a reference to the electro capacitive keyboard, nice.

[@akbg]

I don't understand why people keep confusing membrane with rubber domes. "Membrane" refers to the actuation mechanism based on two sheets of plastic that need to be pressed together to close the circuit; the rubber dome is literally a rubber cup sitting below the key cap that provides tactility and return force. The cheap keyboards have rubber domes over membranes, but you can have rubber domes over PCBs or even capacitive sensing as in Topre or Niz. It's the membrane that gives the infamous mushiness feeling, not the rubber dome (which instead is arguably one of the most effective way of obtaining a silent tactile event)

[@Terra101]

Yeah I thought I hated rubberdomes until I tested Topre and Niz.

[@danieljames500]

so interesting to watch one of your older videos since i only recently started watching your videos. much different style, so cool to see where you were at at this point and how you’ve found your style over the years. also refreshing to see the comments section of an earlier video, the interaction you can have with a smaller crowd is great

[@danieljames500]

mush

[@HipyoTech]

*I make the mistake of calling it a membrane keyboard, but as some have pointed out the technology is actually a rubber dome! Thanks for the correction! ✔️ Join my discord because you're missing out! discord.gg/eEK2JEWur2 ⬇️Affiliate links to help out the channel ⬇️ Niz Plum x87 (10% off for limited time): epomaker.com/products/nlz-plum-x87?_pos=5&_sid=f673ed3fb&_ss=r&&sca_ref=450109.wjDF4oHK4N

[@lilrowbear]

I really like Niz switches. It's like typing on marshmallows which is a nice change up from the hard bottom out of my other boards.

[@HipyoTech]

This is a good way of putting it!

[@casperguo7177]

Really like the mushy bottom out and strong bounce back. I call those switches juicy haha.

[@justov3049]

@@casperguo7177 You guys should check out silent switches, they have a mushy bottom out

[@casperguo7177]

@@justov3049 indeed, I have a silent black numpad and it's great

[@kasukahei]

@@justov3049 not the same feeling trust me. I am used to Silent Black inks. And the Niz is a feeling that will make those who like it, never be able to find most mechanical as comfy :)

[@random_birch_forest]

You could have gotten a version with 45g switches, which would have been less mushy. Also there are 10g springs in the package to deck out the keys that feel less tactile for you

[@nwimpney]

the trick with those costar style stabs is to put the bits in the bottom of the keycap, and the wire on the board, then you hook one side on the wire, and you should be able to push it far enough to the side to hook the other side in (the wire will flex a little.), then you move it to the middle and push it onto the switch.

[@thumbwarriordx]

I have the perfect technique for reattaching keys to those Costar stabilizers. You jam the bastards into some grease so they stay upright, twist them carefully until they're lined up. Then you do a little wobbly dance shoving the keycap on. 80% of the time it works every time.

[@rlilac643]

Ever since Squashy reviewed this, this has been one of my dream boards! Edit: Man said "to praise my YT algorithm gods" bro, for me, I manually search your channel everyday to enjoy some top tier content!

[@HipyoTech]

Thank you for your service 💕💕

[@unknownr3802]

w h a t d i d y o u j u s t s a y ? r u b b e r d o m e d r e a m ?

[@lukascanter]

I watch your videos on a regular basis and I've really started to enjoy them. 7:00, mush!

[@HipyoTech]

Glad you like them!

[@brendennoonen8021]

A tip on those stabs, cause Razer used to use them and I am still sadly on a 2014 Ultimate, you should put the floating clips into the key cap first then orient it to get one on and then push the other on after. It might take some small force, but it definitely works. Though those types of stabs kind of suck and I just ended up removing mine completely, sounds and feels better in my sick twisted opinion.

[@nwimpney]

The wire should have enough flex that you can put them both in the cap, hook one side on the wire, then push it over just far enough (flexing the wire slightly) to slip the other one in. You want to get it onto the wire on both sides _before_ putting it on the switch, so that it can still move freely left-right.

[@kasukahei]

Costar stabs can be pretty dope if you know what you are doing.

[@Roundaboutenjoyer]

So underrated, I really hope your youtube channel blows up 😁

[@HipyoTech]

I appreciate that!

[@hipfire1920]

Me too

[@WristFreeze97]

It did :)

[@basilsm3886]

mush love your videos and i love how you take into account budget and make interesting budget builds as a relatively cheaper keyboard fan i really like that

[@HipyoTech]

Thanks so much! Really glad you like em!

[@btbruh9868]

"mush" I'll do my part

[@HipyoTech]

💕

[@Rx003]

Gosh I am now tempted to get this board! Very nice video as always love the voice over

[@HipyoTech]

Yay, thank you!

[@vivianleenet]

Okay but the mush actually sounds so beautiful :')

[@gettuffstudios]

1:05 to be fair, the keyboard alone is so amazing you don't really need anything else more

[@saitodosan9377]

Yeah it sounded like he was just trying to fill some dead air or something there haha

[@namesashhousewares8337]

i have the niz atom68 as my daily driver. it feels awesome to type on. while the switches sound a tiny bit scratchy, they don't feel scratchy at all. and i kind of like the sound they make. the stabilizers are lubed af and sound amazing (as you have seen in the video). the switches are very very light, so i would recommend adding the springs under every keycap. the switches are also silenced, so they added some orings inside of the switch to dampen the upstroke. i would recommend putting on some nice keycaps, cause the original ones do not look that nice (but they are ok). the only downside of the board is that the keytravel is only 3.2 mm or something like that, while mx typically has 4 mm. so you need to get used to that (i prefer 4 mm). all in all it is an awesome keyboard and i absolutely love typing on it. and you don't need to got through the husstle of lubing, it is awesome right out of the box. i might never buy a new mechanical keyboard because iam so in love with it. the typing experience is different from a mechanical, everything feels much softer while a mx switch feels sharper and more "industrial". but i guess iam one of those persons who once tried topre(topre-clones) and will never go back.

[@kuffo09]

Hey man, long time since you created this message. But can you tell me what the switch still feels like after all this time? And if you could think of a different more MX oriented switch that feel similar to this that would be appreciated. I am thinking of getting this keyboard soon and before I drop all the money to do so I would like a bit more :3

[@emilzexkk735]

I wanted to get myself a wire keycap puller (for my SK68 mode yk), but sadly I can't find any good ones near germany :/ Nice Video! Your voice is really relaxing, and your video quality is up there with the big ones! PS: Mush.

[@HipyoTech]

Thank you so much! Not too sure about germany, but we do have a few germans in the discord you could try asking!

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Einfach selber welche zusammenbasteln mit Paperclips

[@wistyfish9844]

This orchid is pleasing in the shot.

[@theodorosanastasioy8846]

Yes, as others mentioned, I properly place the clips in the keycap first, then align within the metal wire slightly pushing one edge. It's actually easy, I had to discover myself when I bought one Niz Plum micro 84 v2020. I would prefer one Topre but it costs a lot more while I found the Niz for a $100. I also placed two of the extra springs on each frequently used switch for more resistance. The sound is wonderful, I haven't opened it and I am wondering which modification may result in which improvement. Lastly, I now would like better having ordered the smaller Atom 66, the Fs row is not really useful to me.

[@pancakehm5563]

Good review, underrated channel.

[@HipyoTech]

Thank you

[@dacmister]

Like it's been said a few times already, these are Costar stabilizers. Cheap alternative, but no need for tuning a lot of the times. Fit the stems in first and bring the wire from the edges to slot them in. Little work for pretty good, consistent results.

[@HipyoTech]

Thanks for sharing

[@xerex9474]

mush really liked the vid, the board looks very interesting!

[@somethingwitty4237]

I have the niz atom 68. I love it.

[@DirtyGingy]

I finally figured out what this sounds like. The keyboard for a commodore 64 Amega

[@yume6532]

You should put the stabilizer's attachment points onto the keycaps first, then thread them into the metal wires, a lot easier to put them on that way.

[@StormHornet56]

The easiest way to fit the stem stabilizers into the keys is actually to put them INTO THE KEY FIRST! After that, thread the stabilizer bar through the stem stabilizers.

[@brianl5607]

Niz Plum Atom 68. No springs, 45g electrocapacitive switches. My main board for travel and daily driver for the office. I also switch to this board whenever my colleagues want to get smashed on type racer lol.

[@percy9228]

would 45g be better for programming or 35g?

[@froginabox]

@@percy9228 have you found an answer to this yet (i have the same question)

[@PatrickRennie]

Seems a bit on the mushy side, maybe with some stiffer springs it could be better? Also the fact that the stabs seem super hard to tune is a bit of a turn off too. Great video! Your voiceover analysis is super helpful 😊

[@HipyoTech]

Thanks Patrick!!

[@DrWiki-po1hk]

They are not. It simply has a softer bottom out. Also, the springs in these keywords do not contribute to the weighting other than to actuate. The rubber domes themselves are what gives this keyboard tactility, and there are many third-party domes out there.

[@gotoastal]

I love my NiZ keyboard for the feel. I just wish they’d use a WebUSB or open source their firmware upgrades because currently it’s a sketchy downlead from a Google drive & is only compatible with proprietarp Microsoft Windows.

[@TBNRnooch]

mush. I think that this board would definitely be nice for an office setting, but from the knock test, it seems as though it could benefit from some foam. I would love to see a follow-up vid where you mod this keyboard to make it even better! It is definitely slightly pricey... Keep up the vids and have a great day!

[@HipyoTech]

I might do it on stream sometime, I've actually been using it quite a bit lately

[@katebrusk]

@@HipyoTech I'd like to see this too! I have a niz and no idea how modding works. Would love to see modding done by someone with experience.

[@Leofgzz]

Interesting keyboard

[@AhloiFTW]

Thanks for the review! it's hard to find the review for niz tenkeyless keyboard, mostly all the reviews are the 60% one~

[@HipyoTech]

Glad it was helpful!

[@hipfire1920]

Review wise, they are the exact same.

[@scrimple7700]

Underrated youtuber

[@RemofRenaissance]

Great review. I’ve had the waterproof version for a year. Most of the time I love using the board but have an issue with how hollow it can sound at times depending on the desk surface I use. Have you tried opening it up and adding foam (I want to but waiting for someone else to have a go at disassembly on KZbin!).

[@samanman8335]

The sound of this keyboard is well received in office. I feel ok on typing this except it is quite light weight that sometime when my finger “rest” on the keyboard but may “accidentally” mis-typed.

[@pineapplej7310]

Hot take: membranes and domes feel great. Mechanicals are nice but membranes can be awesome.

[@pineapplej7310]

@Feed me I know. Im not talking about the video.

[@PalehorseThirteen]

Those stabilizers look like the ones on my previous Rosewill with Cherry MX Blue. I decided to take the keycaps off once to give it a good cleaning. Getting the stabilized keys back on was such a pain. I legit worried I wouldn't be able to. With the help of a pocket knife, however, I was able to work it out.

[@klarenz8615]

Mush. Thanks for the review :)

[@hypnoz7871]

Your description is misleading. Electro-capacitive keyboards actually ARE mechanical since they have a mechanism that actuate the keypress before the bottom out. Rubber dome or membrane do not necessarily disqualify a keyboard for being mechanical.

[@mohawk4759]

they are not mechanical because there are no contacts

[@galactase8578]

RIP, just a little sad to hear your are from the linear gang. Tactile Gang Rise Up!

[@HipyoTech]

Maybe one day I'll come to the dark side 😜

[@notpush_]

i’m switching from Tactile -> Linear

[@HiCZoK]

Niz x87 arrived and it's fantastic. The included cable is a bit crappy though and some keys are a bit scratchy but I still think you scored it a bit to rough. Keyhcaps are super clean and indeed double shot. But the legends still look angraved? How does that work. Oh and the spacebar is the best I've ever seen. Love it's shape and absolutely 0 rattle

[@percy9228]

did you get 35g or 45g? which would be best for programming?

[@busterscrugs]

I'm a huge fan of membrane keyboards, I'd love to try one of these or a true topre keyboard one day. Way too expensive though.

[@IsandJako]

amazingly detailed

[@serene4566]

0:10 oh my god that shot! How in the world did you do that?! Also, amazing review! Edit: MUSH

[@HipyoTech]

Thank you for noticing!!!! A lot of failed attempts with a tripod acting as a crane leg!

[@donaxe]

wow, nice review! but also nice keyboard

[@HipyoTech]

Thank you!

[@nox6438]

Those are the stabilizers stock with the older cooler master keyboards, they are hell.

[@BeansEnjoyer911]

In what way is this membrane lol. Electro Capacitive generally means Rubber Dome over PCB. Generally actuated with a Coil Spring between the dome and PCB. Definitely membrane. Closer to mechanical

[@madmax252]

I've never tried a Niz, but they seem to get so-so reviews versus actual Topre boards. I like linears myself, but I have to say, I love switching things up and using my Leopold Topre board for a change of pace. You should definitely check out either the FC660C or FC980C, they are high quality!

[@HipyoTech]

I would totally love to check out a real Topre board!

[@treal512]

I prefer the Niz Atom 68 over my RF TKL

[@BuzzGoober2329]

The stabs kinda sound.. Amazing? I kinda love the sound

[@user-zw3fv8yd8u]

"mush" I just skipped to the end to hear the keyboard LOL.

[@obrien8228]

the stabs are impossssssssible

[@jvanegas14]

topre feels without the topre p[rize. I also enjoy their light-weight switches more than topre's, much more tactile

[@darrensoloz4372]

My dream keyboard

[@luffylogic1033]

you put the costar stabs in the keycap before the wire and its easy costar are 100x better

[@raydominiqueterre7462]

Mush! Are you gonna try getting keyboards with genuine topre for review?

[@CaveyMoth]

No backlighting? Not even a gimmicky underglow?

[@Fanaro]

I'm still waiting for the Topre reviews...

[@GoodAtHeart]

My spacebar is so damn bad like the rattle is terrible, I hope the new keycaps fix it.

[@bujak4077]

Since when electro-capacitive keyboards use membranes? They use Capsense PCB's, not membranes. There is no membrane in this keyboard and it is fully mechanical, also membrane wouldn't change if it is mechanical or not.

[@HipyoTech]

Thanks it was a mistake I made in the video, my brain kinda just assumed rubber = membrane

[@bujak4077]

These are two separate things, but I hope to see new videos soon with less errors. Keep up.

[@Xingqiwu387]

These appear to be really fantastic keyboards, but they are ALWAYS "SOLD OUT"! What good is a good keyboard if it's permanently unavailable?

[@gaperm1064]

For some reason, the stems on the keycaps have a problem with breaking in half vertically. I don’t know why.

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

But why shouldn’t I just buy a realforce? Is there any benefit to this board besides being ~$50 cheaper?

[@sunnibird]

Now selling for $210 US dollars. I was considering one of these but at the price I'm definitely passing.

[@chainsawman666]

The software works fine on my computer, you should download the other two *.dll files, and put them with the exe file in the same folder.

[@SHCTeva]

Where'd you get the clear keyboard stand at 6:36?

[@HipyoTech]

Got it from The Key Company!

[@Instinct0425]

@@HipyoTech tkc sus

[@notpush_]

i’m excited to get my keyboard

[@aleksidk]

Mushy Mush, but I love it.

[@dylancyel2235]

love the review !!!

[@HiCZoK]

I just ordered new 2021 niz x87. 175usd with shipping. I am using razer huntsman mini now but wanted to try something else... With arrows and function keys and maybe quieter. Hope I didn't make a mistake...and hope I wont miss rgb

[@notmiruket]

I know it's been a while, but how did it turn out?

[@HiCZoK]

@@notmiruket hey. Niz was too soft. It kinda felt sterlie and soulless. It was VERY well built. There was not a problem with it/. But it was just a bit boring, plain and very easy to accidentally activate keys. I returned to razer mini linear and now for some time using 8bitdo retro keyboard which is amazing and opposite of both those keyboards !

[@catoflado4977]

Interesting keyboard, interesting switches. But too expensive. I defenitly would need to try before buying It

[@jng7803]

Great for offices if those ever exist again lmfao

[@IIwII_usxx]

the mush sounds as if your typing through a Webcam mic honestly.

[@foggyd8821]

Does this keyboard sound better than standard cherry red switches?

[@saitodosan9377]

I don't get the unboxing section lol. "I was looking for a little bit more?" Like what? What's there to complain about? It has everything you need. You just trying to fill some dead air there or something lol?

[@policeboyweewoo]

Do you like red or brown switches better? I’m trying to decide which one is better for me. I hear a lot of ppl say red is better for gaming and brown is good for both typing and gaming. I asked my friend with red switches if they make a lot of typing mistakes and they said no. I asked my friend with browns the same and they said no. They said it’s down to personal preference but idk what either are like. Please help me lol.

[@HipyoTech]

I would say reds are better for most if you had to choose between the two. Personally, check out the Epomaker link in my bio and find one that offers Gateron yellows, they are my favorite

[@policeboyweewoo]

@@HipyoTech okie thanks, also how do you only have 4.19k subs with such good quality content. Underrated mah dude

[@HipyoTech]

@@policeboyweewoo hahaha I appreciate it! Spread the good word! 🦛🦛

[@Anthony_in_Bloomington_Indiana]

Is this the 35 gram version of the Niz Plum x87 keyboard? Bueller, Bueller, anyone?

[@joaquinmijares5462]

Keep this at 0 dislikes

[@HipyoTech]

Don't tell my haters

[@nathankim9329]

Only 35g? Pft... I only use springs over 150g

[@kaemn]

hard to compare that to topre springs.

[@DrWiki-po1hk]

*Rubber domes. The springs in these keyboards are feather weight and contribute nothing to the tactility other than to actuate. The domes are what gives it weight and there are many variations to them.

[@flystar1999]

Thanks for the review. Question: The function key row seems to be closer to the number key rows compared with most TKL mechanical keyboards. Is it true or just my illusion lol? I'm looking for one with that design for shorter travel distance when typing. Thanks :)

[@HipyoTech]

I think it's the same as most other boards atleast in feel

[@flystar1999]

@@HipyoTech Ok, thanks for the confirmation.

[@goingsane_00]

did you get the software from the niz drive? the .dll that wasnt found is in the same folder as the .exe drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ufV6ZGrhwLmJyIROe64L_t2_Bk_OSeju?usp=sharing

[@katebrusk]

mush mush mush from my Niz Plum Nano 75

[@Pervy]

You had me at breakfast

[@mnesus]

Hhkb competitor?

[@adam-mt6vh]

hipyo! howdy hey i just bought the tkl keyboard and my spacebar and i just wanted to clean keyboard and then space bar i pull out but it wobble side to side

[@kennyhsieh5337]

I would buy the keycaps

[@HipyoTech]

Very clean!

[@MrPayJay]

Mush. I gotchu, bro

[@taekwontheo]

Membrane More like Membrain 🧠

[@valkurie1566]

what keeb do you recomend for a lower budget?

[@astralzach8595]

sounds like my school laptop keyboard😭

[@RQ777]

Not backlit?

[@Baackus]

mush what did i just looked at? lol

[@Pablo.Minecraft.2007]

Epic mush

[@deluxesofa]

try alps switches

[@otanioribe8221]

4:30 oh no, Costar Stabs

[@developer2]

0:24 lmao captions

[@kennith.]

Are there light, silent linear mechanical switches that sound just as quiet?

[@2Node]

no

[@null1270]

Actually I have tried Cherry MX silent blacks. They are just as quiet or even slightly quieter however they are definitely not light. In fact they were too heavy for my liking and I eventually swapped them out. There are silent reds too, you might want to try them out.

[@2Node]

@@null1270 oh yeah, I forgot about those. but I think that this rubber dome keyboard is quieter and lighter anyways.

[@normconel2907]

This comment is here to boost your standing in the youtubw algorithm

[@HipyoTech]

Thank you so much I've never appreciated a comment more

[@dannydanny2288]

1 Happy Hippo 🦛 and MUSHHHHH

[@HipyoTech]

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