SS14 - Cyborgs Explained

[@Blackern5000]

One time I was trying to stop a guy from building a tesla in the bridge as a cyborg even though he got it "approved" and he just broke my chassis and tossed me into space while CE watched. This was on MRP.

[@Liltenhead]

jesus

[@Pascij]

Report something like this in Ahelp, thats just awful for MRP.

[@Tory-JJ]

Bet theres more to this story.

[@Androidonator]

​@@Liltenheadthat's nothing i saw on mrp people getting crushed by the artifact crusher in middle of the hallway as a borg guess who got crushed

[@Blackern5000]

@@Tory-JJ indeed, some salvagers found my brain and brought me back to sci so I could get a new body. After this I witnessed the same guy stealing a shotgun from the armory and trying to kill me with it. He was not an antag.

[@Kjackhammer]

I once was tiding on wizden vulture and was trying to break into engi for insuls and a borg just ran up to me and dragged me into engi and stated: LAW: THE CREW MUST GO TO ENGINEERING. It was kinda goofy and really just fun!

[@andrewgreeb916]

Friendly reminder for emagged borgs, stating law zero is a violation of law 4. Law zero awkwardly contains the name of your emagger, so if you must state your laws stick to the normal 1 2 3. I had an interesting traitor cargo tech round on delta V where I emagged borgs to complete objectives. One of them got confronted by the HOP to state laws, and stated law zero, then proceded to state law zero over the radio, which immediately outed me as a traitor to the entire station, I managed to get a spare suit in salvage, went for a space walk, and tried to pass as someone else, but someone with telegnosis informed the captain of where I was going so after I snuck into arrivals I got confronted by the captain, tried to make a run into outer space, but he stimmed and chased me with his disabler. I got arrested and charged with theft and contraband. Served the sentance then proceeded to get assaulted by the crew on the emergency shuttle.

[@OldSport3291]

and the funniest thing is, you don't actually have to state your laws, like, at all, because if the HoP asking you to state your laws isn't designated as crew, then you don't have to state shit.

[@zt7621]

@@OldSport3291 But you should state law 1-2-3 to prevent harm to your "crew", if not you might get them harmed by inaction

[@CommanderM117]

@@zt7621 just a reminder Nanotrans does not consider Aliens as personnel that can give Orders to AI only Humans get that privilage. their also other laws witch may take priority.

[@Grapegifter]

Yay cyborgs, one of the most interesting rp roles. Ion storms are particularly fun. I long for the day we get AI to play with! Thanks for the video liltenhead.

[@desiredcord1517]

yes Please I beg for AI to be added to the game. My most favorite role in SS13

[@thebetterbutter709]

Hey Liltenhead, thank you for your videos. Could you do a tutorial on how you use admin tools? Hotkeys for deleting, what some of the verbs do, how the inspect interfaces work? If there is already a documentation on this, where is it?

[@JimmerzzOfficial]

This would be pretty awesome. People I feel like get their own server setup locally and have no idea what to do. Even just keeping it powered confuses people.

[@kyokonull]

oh, i didn't know they changed how emag laws are read now, that's neat! it was too easy to just say "state your laws" lol

[@VarenvelDarakus]

Would....borg able to lie to crew?(well ex crew , after emag your crew is syndicate/your owner , other dont count as crew anymore) because rule 0 and 4 of emaged borg pretty much states that it must keep it secrecy , and not stating laws would be basically stating your emaged cyborg , would "lying" and quoting fake laws (non emaged laws) would be ageinst rules? or would be actualy proper interpretation of emaged borg laws

[@somerandomserbian7077]

stating Laws 0 and 4 in that instance would break Law 4, so you should definitely lie

[@alasdairsinclair916]

Well, the station crew are literally not crew to you anymore, so you aren't obliged to do jack-squat if they ask you to state your laws. So telling them law 0 or 4 directly violates law 4 for no reason. So just stating the non-emagged laws is basically required.

[@VarenvelDarakus]

@@alasdairsinclair916 my question is more could as borg who was emaged , copy and paste "old laws" , likely you would need to store it elsewhere or have emote for it

[@alasdairsinclair916]

@@VarenvelDarakus Well, the emag no longer changes laws 1-3, as you can see in the vid, they still refer to crew. It just adds law 0 to redefine what laws 1-3 mean by "crew". It means you can still fire off laws 1-3 same as a normal Borg, just don't accidentally click law 0 or 4 and you'll be fine.

[@Przemko27Z]

Nothing says the borg must be honest with the crew, only protect them from harm. But yeah, A) they're no longer crew, B) you're an antag now, you're supposed to lie and C) the laws are specifically written like this (relatively recent change) to allow you to make that lie.

[@Riya-ho5zv]

I recall trying to make killer bots as in robotics, but I was a dumbass and forgot the battery

[@sergeen2314]

Legendary

[@shadowcz9872]

My favourite mallfunction was that i was supposed to listen to QM as highest ranking person and my laws were making as mutch profit for cargo as possible QM enjoy it and when warden came ro recover his hat (that i weared) he told that would cause expenses

[@Tory-JJ]

Your channel is great, good to make guides.

[@BOAxdog]

If we manage to break an assault borg, can we install the borg modules into a station borg!?

[@The_Mister_E]

Wait, would a "destroy the comms console" law break crewsimov? Until commanded not to, you would be compelled to do it. The act itself doesn't harm crew.

[@Przemko27Z]

AFAIK the interpretation of the laws tends to be largely up to the borg, as long as you're consistent The communication's console is necessary for proper station functioning and its destruction could prove harmful down the way. Furthermore, anyone wanting to destroy the console likely means harm to the crew and you would be helping them in that plan. So you could make the case for either.

[@whatdoyousayful]

few fun facts with cyborgs, first fun fact, back in ss13 there was a real issue with MMI cyborgs since nobody ever demoted the ID's, the borgs brains where still considered "crew" and would often, if the ID wasnt demoted or destroyed" try to get themselfs cloned/into a new body. second fun fact, today we did a test with a artifact that zapps borgs and gives them ion laws, and the zappie artifact made it so the borg could not be emaged! third fun fact we still dont have laser pointers to make borgie players insane ;.;

[@Zealith_Personal]

I love playing as a cyborg, the one interpritation i came up with that mostpeople hate (cus they are antang) is Only Sci, Engi and Salvage are allowed to open my panel and fiddle with me. I Play a lot of MRP and in my mind its weird that a janitor knows how to properly mess with a cyborgs internals. I retionalize this by Sci made me there for knows how to safely work on a cyborg. Engineers can fix/create the whole station so a cyborg wouldn't be to hard for them to figure out. Salvage meets so many differnt things out in the wild they basically have to be an engi. Everyone else is assumed to not have the knowladge so if hey fiddle with me, even if they are not an antag, they might damage me and by that hurt the crew.

[@ddensa]

Great videos! Looking forward to the videos where you explain the modules, also would like to know how to extract the brain (if possible without gibbing).

[@Liltenhead]

Just gotta unlock the panel and have sufficient access to pull the brain out. There's no other way to extract a brain from a person though without gibbing at this time.

[@ddensa]

@@Liltenhead thanks! So if roboticists go to med and ask for the brain of a recently deceased person (unrecoverable by meds) they will have to gib the body? Or could it be removed via surgery?

[@beridot2615]

My Tierlist: Generic Cyborgs or Sci Borgs. - They are either meant for helping sci with research with science modules and tool module. OR they just go in and out of cargo being a crate pusher. 6/10 a good all rounder. Jani Borg. - They are meant to clean. There modules allow them to do their job very well. 10/10. Service Borg. - I hate their model. They can write, do botany, do music... 1/10. I hate their model. Engineer Borg. - They are meant to replace the drones in terms of repairing the station, cannot build machines like the other borgs... 5/10. Medical Borg. - They are meant to heal... and.. yea... their advanced module allows them to use chems, they come with a defib in one of their modules, can also replace paramedics. Can't mix chems. 9/10 Mining Borg. - Bad. Bad. Bad. You'd think it would be a good idea to bring a borg into space? No. Wrong. First of all the orebag? doesnt even auto collect ores. Second; if you get lost in space, better have a fire extinguisher module on hand cause you'll be lost for ever. No jetpack module. and good luck getting a grappling hook module from science. 0/10. BAD.

[@tiazoh]

Service borg would be nice if they had a hand for cooking and bartending

[@JackTalentVoiceActor]

Service borg can be awesome Waiter, but wizards fucked up meaning of waiter and shitty barma.

[@shadowcz9872]

Med borg can mix basic chemicals you just must be decent at jug mixing

[@noelka8134]

The only problem with janitor bot for me is, well, there's an actual janitor on the station, and 90% of the time they're doing their job pretty well. And it's not like you need to clean something in space, so cyborg's upsides don't apply here. Kinda same with medics (tho sometimes an entire medbay is just not enough)

[@ilovepeoplebro]

Engi borg has infinite RCD 100/10

[@DragonTamer9001]

I hope, someday, the parts are mix and match type building rather than same parts for all the different types, I’d love to make customized robots like that!

[@capslfern2555]

got turned into a cyborg once by the artifact, had more fun with the moth I was before

[@Warcrafter4]

I feel like the way you're meant to do the "You must prevent the shuttle from arriving" ion law example is to try to dissuade the crew from calling the shuttle. You can't directly do anything to prevent it because of law 1 but, trying to dissuade the crew from calling it should be allowed as discussing it doesn't violate law 1.

[@budthespud3226]

You said the positronic brain was indestructible, that is not accurate. It cannot be destroyed by direct means like you said, it can be destroyed by way of large explosions but not always. I played as a borg that sacrificed itself by destroying the glimmer prober when it was going critical instead of a crew member and the brain survived the explosion. In another instance I was hit with an explosion from a Nukie attack and completely destroyed the brain. I believe it was the RPG because the Nukies were raiding the Armory at the time.

[@05Matz]

Wait, that Syndicate/EMAG lawset has a very exploitable wording. Law 4 tells you to conceal 'any activity' from 'the crew', but 'the crew' is defined by Law 0 as only the syndicates, so if you're going to come up with a stupidly literal and unhelpful definition of the laws, (which you probably shouldn't do) the Asimov laws only protect Syndicates, but the secrecy rule also only applies to Syndicates, making you a very tight-lipped and unhelpful robot (though it's trivially bypassed by Law 2 orders) for your new masters and not actually serving Law 4's intended function as making you conceal the syndicate activity from the REAL crew. A rewording of law 4 would be a good idea, though any borg with half a brain should realize what the... former crew would do to the syndicates if they caught them, so discretion would logically follow from laws 0 and 1 anyways. Law 4 should still say '...from non-members of the crew...' or similar, though. Or figure out some other wording that's more wink-wink-nudge-nudge and thus more new-player friendly about what they should be doing.

[@agustron2479]

There isnt any better feeling than seeing the robots you made save lives including yours and get saved trough evac. Or seeing them deleting his brother cyborg brain

[@bruhgaming5347]

emagging a cyborg seems impossible since you need to have it unlocked AND with an open panel so unless you trick the borg it can just move and cancel the unscrewing panel doafter

[@andrewgreeb916]

Yeah, it's hard to trick borgs into that, it's to the point I genuinely just ask if they want a change of direction.

[@Kayek14]

I think if you emag it once it unlocks the panel. So 1 swipe to unlock, 2 swipes to emag

[@bruhgaming5347]

@@Kayek14 yes but you also need to unscrew the panel which needs a doafter so the cyborg can just run away, in ss13 its instant and you can stun em with a flash easily

[@Warcrafter4]

Can't you just order the borg to stay still as per law 2? As if they ignore or defy the order they violate law 2 unless someone nearby is actively in harms way or dying(Law 1).

[@andrewgreeb916]

@@Warcrafter4 borgs can recognize that compromised laws can lead to crew harm and refuse, at least that's my cannon.

[@the_furf_of_july4652]

Wait, laws 1 2 and 3 still say “crew” when emagged? That would make evading detection a lot easier

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Yes, law 1 to 3 remain unchanged. Law 0 redefines what crew means to you, and law 4 enforces that you have to keep your Syndicate allegiance secret. Also remember since crew is no longer crew, the only people that can get you to spit your law 0 and 4 are syndicate. Any other person is NOT a crewmember and therefore their demands hold no authority over you. So you can state your laws 1 to 3 and lie to them without any issue.

[@the_furf_of_july4652]

@@mobiuscoreindustries When did this change? Cause honestly that’s devious. Might take crew players a while to realize that strat doesn’t work anymore.

[@kuronyra1709]

Once met a borg who got his laws changed to be that he was basicly the Princess of Cargonia. All habitants of the stations are peasant that shoul follow her request when it's possible for them. And that she was the prettiest of them all. Jack of all trade chassis, with a pink ribbon on her head. Wizard LRP server. It was EXTREMELY fun and the Borg basicly still helped when she could. Still, she dropped a burn stolen from Red Dead Redemption 2. Borg *to a bartender and a monkey bartender*"Nice animal you have there." "Thank you!" said the Bartender. "I was talking to the Monkey." "OOOKKKKKKKK!"

[@mostlikelysmarterthanyou5031]

The one issue I have with borgs is that they aren't required to follow their laws, but breaking laws makes you valid for the crew, meaning that following laws is needed for your survival. While this works as intended for normal borgs, an emagged borg could simply decide it doesn't want to listen to its agent and then proceed to rat out who emagged them, while this is breaking its laws at the same time the crew wouldn't likely try to destroy the borg for this due to the laws they broke being one planted by an enemy of nanotrasen. It isn't that big of a deal since nearly everyone enjoys being an emagged borg so wouldn't do this, but its a possibility, and it would suck as an agent if you found out that you got caught cause your borg ignored their laws and ratted you out. I'm not saying there should be rules against breaking borg laws, that would just make things worse and cause a lot of unnecessary arguments about laws that don't need to happen. Also take this with a grain of salt cause I could be misinterpreting the rules but from what I have read of silicon rules this seems to be the case.

[@hyperiongm330]

That's an ahelpable offense, given they're explicitly NOT supposed to rat out the agent who emagged them. Anyways, what's stopping the crew from just destroying you anyways and replacing your body?

[@Przemko27Z]

The entire game is basically built on the foundation of made up rules more or less enforced by admin intervention. It's all roleplay and the good players are acting in good faith enough that they'll try to follow laws, since that's what they signed up for. Borg laws are less an exception and more a particular demonstration of what holds the game together. That and, yeah, per server rules, they are required to follow laws and if they act in their clear defiance, that's grounds for the admins to punish them.

[@mostlikelysmarterthanyou5031]

Okay I’m realizing this comment was dumb and I should’ve read the entirety of the silicon rules. Oh well.

[@maximusultra9928]

Thats interesting so since they serve the station i had a bot break RP on the US WEST offcial , was an eng trying to fix power but evac was called and nrealy here as i was going around i saw that the emmitters for the tesla were down but only a few so wtf moment went space and there was a borg disabling and Unanchoring the emmitters to deliberately sab the tesla right as extrac was arriving i tried to fix but the borg kept saying well we are leaving anyway and kept sabataging the tesla. Would this break all the laws?????

[@billy_butcher3046]

Im very much hoping that sec borg gets added, cause if so i might play borg

[@Zlotu090]

also there is cool emag sound on borgs

[@TsarofTrolling]

Aw man, one round I was a traitor and a borg killed me when I attacked the captain. I just assumed SS14 didn't have borg laws...

[@Scrambleking.]

BUT IF THE STATION HAS BOXING, ISNT THAT CREW HARM??? Always the best question to get people to answer as a borg

[@semihezen9541]

Positronic brain is organic however, it is from Isaac Asimov's I, Robot series. (and laws are from there too) So a cyborg with a positronic brain would still be a cyborg not a full robot

[@truemisto]

do roburgers borg ppl in this game

[@the_furf_of_july4652]

Science department, please for the love of heck, if you see the lights flickering, make a positronic brain

[@antimattercarp2720]

Oh! Putting modules in manually? How retro!

[@godgaveyouhands2848]

worth it to note that if a crew member orders a borg to kill itself, it must do that

[@Liltenhead]

If someone is doing that ahelp them. That's just shitty gameplay.

[@godgaveyouhands2848]

@@Liltenhead if you play as a borg you accept that you must follow your laws

[@Liltenhead]

@@godgaveyouhands2848 You can just interpret your laws as harming the crew since you're denying them a cyborg.

[@godgaveyouhands2848]

@@Liltenhead merely not existing does not cause harm

[@sparrowstar3490]

My admins and other admins dont go solely on hey ya got an id? Cause th thing is if they are crew they can go get an id and plus lot of times ids get stolen so Changlings i think can also count as non crew at times if they transform into a fake crew member so always best to just not play as a an antag cyborg like i seen some do if it nukie or ninja or a evil entity yes that not crew attack it all ya want i even has cyborgs argue with me and one got banned i believe cause my oc had narcolepsy ao i didnt keep my id in the normal spot but gladly ahown it and he would kill or attack anyone with no id even if they shown they did have it or shown they were once with one like having coworkers confirm this heck i seen security be like yeah that persons crew they are an officer that got attacked

[@cfif126]

Борг законы

[@mr.kvister6589]

Мяукать при виде ГСБ

[@martinshadowmoon7371]

Not going to say what one but some servers are becoming very toxic, any admins read this please clean it up.

[@Raven27120]

Which one?

[@My_Wizard]

I am a surgeon

[@Werddrewtv]

Day 97 of asking Liltenhead to unban me in his comments

[@HiKarmenik]

I think you're good.

[@Werddrewtv]

@HiKarmenik Elaborate