[SSBU] Smash's Worst Counter

Covering everything there is to know about Ultimate's funny grab counter.
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[@FireThePyroYT]

I'm looking to get back into making stuff. Likes, sharing, and subscribing would be heavily appreciated to fight the algorithm. Next video is already in the works, expect something at least once a month.

[@isaiahthechristiangamer8716]

Looking forward to it. Keep up the good work. 👍

[@Kriskirby1992]

Genius video and genius editing, hope you blow up

[@liampullman1198]

This is fantastic content

[@KuZaFGC]

Hi just found ya, welcome back looking forward to new smash videos

[@sunnycideup4725]

This is some dang good video cadence

[@jackthelocaldumbass]

Cons - Sucks in damn near every catagory Pros - Funny

[@Snooty4835]

Good enough for me

[@CookieTwoStep]

That’s all you had to say

[@ribsofmanhattan404]

I'm sold

[@Proudaazz]

@@Snooty4835aroace pfp !!

[@Snooty4835]

@@Proudaazz this guy gets it!

[@just-mees]

Counter throw would go so hard if it made mii brawler catch the projectile and throw it back

[@ihap5180]

Watching Mii Brawler literally grab a laser out of the air and chuck it back like a Baseball pitcher would be funny to see.

[@Orio435]

hitting the kung fu panda 2 would be amazing

[@ducklett01god]

​@@ihap5180take the laser and make it into a hadoken with insane speed

[@etherealbladerx8153]

😂 I mean we have villager and Isabelle for example right guys? 😊

[@mariustan9275]

Bruh someone make a Po Mii now​@@Orio435

[@g0ddish434]

The Worst Counter competitively. The best counter to land

[@AacroX]

Not really the best to land when Shulk's counter exists

[@ebluegamer5397]

​@@AacroX Counterpoint: Counter Throw is funny

[@ItchyBurritoActual]

Reverse Gut Check 0 to death:

[@DDDTJ]

@@AacroXis that the guy in the shock server??!??!!

[@michaelbecket4901]

The only counter effective against move that normally make others completely invincible lol

[@alfonshedstrom9859]

Most counters have a dramatic pause before the counterhit, but counter throw is so fast which makes it pretty funny how you just go 'no u'. It makes it hard to DI so it can net you some early deaths

[@Scout_from_deep_rock_galactic]

Not forgetting the highest launch multiplier.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@Scout_from_deep_rock_galacticgrounded version only

[@Scout_from_deep_rock_galactic]

@@nathanlevesque7812 yes. Killing on the ground at 5% is still insane

[@Gimmick_]

The best purpose is to combine with ESK for a stupid knowledge check

[@arjayecho9890]

if only you could have esk, this, and head on assault on the same moveset

[@dprototype6431]

This one time I killed my friend at zero with it because he accidentally misinput a fully charged Straight Lunge.

[@coldmill8615]

Why is it a knowledge check?

[@arjayecho9890]

@@coldmill8615 there are many things to know about ESK (has armor, reversible, kinda just better falcon punch, etc), and failing to know any of them can cost you a stock.

[@Moss_Dude]

@@coldmill8615 It's safe on shield, if they try to punish with a smash attack or something you can counter it

[@jjp_arxys2001]

7:20 Plant: "Say sike right now."

[@CuteRedPanda64]

Mii brawler: YEET!!

[@thunderknight4149]

He learned from Marth

[@thatguy763]

I thought Plant would say "Nope"

[@flaco3462]

'u srs rite now'

[@t-greenrock404]

Mii Brawler: “Nah.” *YEET*

[@D-the-goat]

You guys are just doing it wrong

[@King_Wump]

Real

[@harrisonlien8123]

Yes

[@stubish5582]

Ah yes. Simply just get better scrub

[@Perdix64]

I’ll be honest, it’s sometimes really funny to use it as a reversal for getting edgeguarded, but even then, it’s not that good.

[@Gamingmud223]

Tbh I time it so it’s not that bad

[@Neloch4]

The sound effect and the "got em" feeling is all i need

[@BackOff_xd]

JoJo Punch noise xd

[@the_bookworm8281]

To add insult to injury: the counterattack hitbox of the grounded version of Counter Throw only hits a bit on front of him, and the hitbox is mostly horizontal. This leaves the grounded version of the counterattack highly susceptible to whiffing against characters below or above him if you somehow manage to land the counter against said characters, and whiffs easily against big disjoints. This is less of a problem with the aerial version since the counterattack is significantly bigger, but it is just an extra annoying thing the move has to deal with.

[@davidegentilezza2311]

and the worst thing about the aerial version of the counter throw is weaker than the grounded one

[@thecrimsoncreep6665]

Years ago I tried to convince an entire KZbin comment section that Counter Throw is the worst, and they just kept saying "But it's really strong!" and cited Mac, Lucario, and Greninja. To that I say, AT LEAST THEIR COUNTERS ACTUALLY ACTIVATE!!

[@Mordecai02]

Counter Throw is more about prediction than reaction. Once you understand that and break the habits taught by the more generous counters, it becomes a lot more usable.

[@thecrimsoncreep6665]

@@Mordecai02 You can say that about almost any bad move. "Just read them."

[@vivelespatat2670]

​@@Mordecai02Mfw I read a Pikachu's Down Tilt but this rat just step on my toe and combo me for it :

[@homerman76]

@@Mordecai02 Any move can be usable if used right, doesn't make it good.

[@Mordecai02]

@@homerman76 Well yeah, doesn't _necessarily_ make it good. When you're talking about like the second or third strongest counter in the game (strongest outright discounting DLC), though... Seriously, next y'all gonna be telling me Ivy Valentine is bad in Soul Calibur.

[@Nespeon]

You can't stop me from taking this to bracket. I will take my single set and leave proudly

[@ZappBranniglenn]

This move is frustrating to think about because the other, cripplingly bugged Mii move got patched eventually. Swordfighter's Side B 2, Gale Stab. It functions like Ike's Quickdraw. But when hitting someone with it, you were unable to grab a ledge after making contact, kind of like Jigglypuff's Rollout in every game before Ultimate. And just to make sure the move was worse than Ike's they never included the ability to continue your recovery after making midair contact. So if you knew about the bug and Swordfighter was attempting to use it to reach the ledge, you could run to the ledge and hold shield. The attack would hit your shield and Swordfighter would fall past the ledge to his death every time, no spacing could get past that simple trick. Even if your shield health was low, simply tanking the hit would also work. Somehow, someone on the dev team noticed the problem two years after the game released and fixed it, turning the move suddenly viable. It's too bad they didn't do the same for Counter Grab.

[@samuelbrown1283]

*Throw

[@FateZiggy]

Finally some good ass smash content

[@GrayAeolus]

Oxymoron lol

[@lazyskellymansapit7336]

i know im late but ass and smash should never be 2 words right next to eachother

[@justsomewheel9379]

I think the biggest insult to injury is that Counter Throw actually replaced one of Mii Brawler's down specials from Smash 4, Foot Flurry, which I'm pretty sure was Mii Brawler's best edgeguard move

[@CaptainCFalcon]

It was, & was actually just a really cool move. But out of the three of them, I don't know what else could have viably been replaced. Feint Kick is, well _Feint Kick,_ & Head On Assault is just fucking hilarious. I do really miss Foot Flurry though, Mii Brawler doesn't have enough kicks to balance out the punching anymore. Honestly, I feel like it should've actually been a side special, & replaced that rush attack that sucks ass.

[@merio7271]

Ah yes, the only truly balanced counter.

[@frappemresh]

100%

[@alexmendez7460]

Lore accurate counter

[@legendarysoil1064]

Damn, this video’s editing is really good. And yeah, counter throw sucks

[@chanzearkman6595]

This is ESAMS editor you’re talking about

[@PizzaTuber12345]

Counter Throw is the only true counter to Banjo's Wonderwing.

[@KHloreExpert]

True, but only without the rest of the DLC.

[@ssctiyo4735]

Wait Sora's Counter doesnr work as well?

[@rouge-ish324]

Just grab, dummy

[@CaptainCFalcon]

​@@ssctiyo4735it does, but that's because sora has the ULTIMATE DLC counter, which straight up ignores EVERY interaction by just not letting anyone continue with their attack. Every other counter grants invincibility to Wonderwing, but fails to actually punish it. Counter Throw is the only one designed actually make Banjo regret his decision to randomly throw out side specials.

[@PhantomEnderium]

4:19 BRO GRABBED THE CHAIN, PULLED EM UP AND LAUNCHED HIM TO THE STRATOSPHERE

[@just-linx8271]

Funny part of that counter-triggerbox is that it aligns perfectly to fighting games and their special counters. SNK's counters usually have a upper and lower variant and get stuffed by cross-ups. They also can't activate against projectiles. What, you think you can lower-counter a wave of seismic energy? Puh-leese, Mother Earth is *not* amused. I think that alongside Smash Ultimate's design choices regarding new takes on counters, they may have wanted to see what would happen if they introduced a more traditional counter to the game. Anyways, good video. I hope that you'll continue to make things like this!

[@byzantiaimperia8593]

even in casual it just doesn’t work due to the fact that smash is very much movement based unfortunately

[@pizzaeater8905]

I just have one thing to say: PREDICTABO.

[@snuffysam]

Conspiracy theory: the ENTIRE purpose of this move was because they planned on adding Terry as DLC which means they were gonna add Geese as a Spirit fight which means the game needed a throw counter somewhere

[@kiseki8351]

The only reason this is my favorite mii brawler move is because my friends are idiots

[@BigLord]

More good-ass Mii Brawler content? Hell yeah 🎉

[@Ban-zx9se]

Hi BigLord!!

[@olafgarcia6238]

Yes, the Mii Brawler is my favorite character

[@Draconicxy]

I know it’s bad but I just have to use it

[@SmaxSSB]

5:44 In the game's code/parameters, Min Min's arms are considered unreflectable projectiles, which would explain why that happens. It may also apply to Olimar's aerials but I'm not sure

[@FireThePyroYT]

source spaghetti type shit wtf

[@hourglass8090]

Wait, huh?! That's how they coded her arms?

[@mr_pants278]

Throw Counter being the worst counter in the game with the caveat of being hilarious elevates it to being objectively the best counter in the game, because you know you're upsetting whoever gets caught by it. And that's truly all that matters.

[@Honkzly]

I use to complain about Shulks counter because when mine activates it doesn’t connect. Now I’m grateful it at least activates

[@FlittaLink]

6:31 as someone who doesn’t play Smash, that suicide move caught me so off guard it legitimately got me laughing 😂

[@williamgeorge3111]

It's also genuinely a viable option in gameplay if: A. The opponent cannot make it back to the stage B. They're at a lower percent than you

[@cheeseboy2251]

Oh boy! A new channel the algorithm has shown me with a format I enjoy with a fun editing style! Let’s check what else he’s uploa- Aww it’s new

[@Yoshiller]

Using Bomberman 64: The Second Attack music? That's a win in my book! Aside from your great taste in a music, this was a nicely edited video! I think you've got the potential to make it big as long as you're consistent! So keep up the great work! =)

[@salvatore_slate]

this video is way more fucking awesome than anyone has described thus far i promise you that

[@isaiahthechristiangamer8716]

This is a great video about a move that I’ve never touched.

[@wisteqs6644]

2:06 AYO WHAT A CALL BACK I DID NOT EXPECT MY CHILDHOOD GAME TO COME BACK HERE IN THE FORM OF MUSIC Nice (its timeman's (world) theme from Megaman Powered Up, kinda an underrated game cuz it also had a lvl creator even before mario-maker i believe)

[@gavenhassan4059]

I love how he LITERALLY calls out the move *MADE FOR DODGES AT THE LEDGE* 6:38

[@IyoMiyo]

I've been a brawler main for the longest and never had any issues with this move. It's a very tight window but I've had more dubs than losses with it. I mostly use it on stage to punish overly aggressive people or at random intervals because of how quick it is. Genuinely my favorite move because I'm not overly reliant on it and people always get caught using basic jabs or tilts trying to catch the speedy little bastards.

[@ayoraster2970]

honestly if feint jump didn't exist, i could see people arguing between using counter or head on assult, but feint jump is a good recovery tool for a character who doesn't really have many good recovery mixups (especially if you use thrust uppercut)

[@IyoMiyo]

@@ayoraster2970 when people try to spike me off stage i use this to save myself a meteor, or axe kick them. as long as they can't get behind me recovery isn't an issue unless the kick back towards the stage sends me a bit too close or someone uses a projectile. even then, the side kick hits most of them and you can just keep going. it's easy to switch into a counter or axe, but after the first time probably won't work again. ig just don't let yourself get thrown off stage cause yeah.. their recoveries are very bad. I still love the axe kick though, and combined with up tilt you can clash or hit any pokes trying to hit you on the ledge or even pull people down with you while recovering if you tilt back at just the right angle, it's great.

[@Stefinater]

One of my favorite moves just because it looks sick, and that one smooth motion is very satisfying; when it actually works

[@ChicagoSSBU]

This was genuinely a great video. You’re very talented at editing. Well Done

[@DJDonSSB]

This was an insanely good video man really fun and also informative!

[@GmacAttack]

3:32 Well, one of the game's Tips LITERALLY says that the move "can't block low attacks."

[@ghastlydreamer]

I love using counter throw dude. The sound it makes when it connects is music to my ears. The counter overall just sucks but when it activates its basically like marth grab and is so hilarious picking up people from mars. It really needs to be buffed somehow though like maybe it being the size of soras, getting to chose which direction to throw, or idk working against any projectile but its still fun. Its crazy how this is basically the only melee counter that doesn't work on min min or olimar but works against mii gunner f smash

[@dumpylump]

Bro comes back to KZbin after 3 years and drops the most banger smash video out of nowhere

[@lVicel]

TBH, the "Fein Jump" is the best Down-Special the Mii Brawler can have It's quite useful for surprise attacks and if you know how to handle it well, it is an excellent lateral recovery

[@Jay-ho7sf]

I can’t really think of anyone who makes this style of content specifically for Ult. I would love to see more like this, the editing is great!

[@Hugelag]

I've seen enough Smash clips to know that it's not about winning, it's about sending a message. And 6:46 will definitely send a message.

[@Matuzo_Cannata]

i actually like this video a lot. Love the mii characters, was nice to see someone talking about them :D

[@ResistancePasta]

This video is amazing! Super professionally-made and has a great sense of humor. Looking forward to more! :D

[@Aesc_the_voyager]

You haven’t uploaded in 3 years and come out with. Banger thanks

[@Sickmmaner]

I love that you added extra layers of sound effects, it's always nice when important sounds like that are emphasised.

[@joshhurst9770]

This video is fantastic! Based on its quality I expected this to be a multi year channel I had missed, but it’s your first in this style. Real excited to see what you do next!

[@RoOrange7503]

“Smash worst counter but also the funniest counter” should be the title

[@aann]

this video is so good dude, awesome editing and I love nice little analyses about single moves that are fun to talk about

[@realshaperio]

pros: lore accurate melee marth grab cons: everything

[@dondewaay]

LOVE the editing and info on this vid, keep at it!

[@someaccount2299]

Really good video! Great editing and a script that is both fun and informative. Looking forward to future content from you!

[@asuuki2048]

This was such a lovely video. Rarely do I get taught new things I didn’t know about the game, but it just kept on giving! I even learned that my main Greninja has invincibility in specific parts of his body long after the counter starts!

[@HEX33C1FF]

Unironically one of my most desired Mii Brawler buffs, just because I think this move is sick. Even if they don't want to make it more consistent, they could instead make it absurdly strong.

[@objection4614]

Great video! Can't wait to see more from you, I'm so down for it

[@AussieAwesome]

This is a really good video Pyro! Can’t wait to see more from you

[@Shadz64]

you should keep making these, you could be like an asumsaus for the SSBU community; love this video

[@andrewwilliams8951]

I made an entire video IN SMASH (Simply called Yeet) Dedicated to Counter Throw Kills. Its such a fun move to land, even with all of its downaides. Best part? As someone pointed out, The Exploding Side Kick and its ridiculous lack of end frames makes it the perfect counter to punishes. And one time, I did pull a cloud from underneath the platform when the up-smashed. Absolutely hilarious. 11/10 counter.

[@ninetailsplaysiguess-rando6634]

Love the content, Hope to see more videos like this you definitely found your groove.

[@PurpleMaster18]

Love the editing and the useful information about Mii brawler counter.

[@brodydrawsstuff]

This is a REALLY well made video. Also really entertaining, keep it up! 👍

[@syweb2]

I'm two videos into your channel and I've already subscribed. These two most recent ones just hit right.

[@huyphan7825]

You made this video like you've been making them your whole life

[@Trebolt]

Saw your Shotput vid in my recommended and had to check this one out too. Love the editing style and how well everything flows together. I haven't played Ultimate in a long while but I'm looking forward to whatever you put out next!

[@yarkster9_]

I wished I watched this sooner this was FANTASTIC, hope to see you make more like it

[@ThunderhunterFTW]

These analysis videos are really cool, you should keep doing stuff like this.

[@mysticfilms4780]

This video was incredible bro. Also you’re really entertaining and the pacing was also great. Keep it up man 😄

[@fishyweeb4820]

This video was great! I look forward to your next one!

[@edwardkustner3029]

Great video man! Keep it up! You explained everything super well and had a great editing flow throughout the videos so i hope you do more vids

[@shari2383]

This is great, really hope to see more content from you

[@anothersoul1881]

This is one of the best smash video essays I’ve ever seen, great work. Deserves more subs Fs

[@156bowler]

brawler counter is the definition of "meaty whack- hearty chuckle" meme, so gratifying when it works, so bad for my GSP

[@LoreGoshi]

I love the effort you put in this vid. Congrats, you gained a subscriber

[@moai9552]

fire video man 🔥🔥🔥 keep ts up genuinely some of the best content out there

[@user-mp3pf2ir2p]

Your editing style is super great, I dig it, made me want to play SSBU again

[@BoneBeastKimimaro]

Just saw this and your strongest projectile vid after it being randomly recced to me. Very nice. Educational and entertaining. Seem to be your first videos of this style, and I'm looking forward to more from you.

[@kelbym3710]

Ooooo I love in depth breakdowns of small things in fighting games!

[@kirbman255]

Woah! Haven’t seen this channel before, and the editing and presentation style is super fun! Definitely looking forward to seeing more!

[@VerdantSeamanJL]

I was not expecting this level of quality from a 7-minute video But damn did I love it

[@Planetvorton]

Very well made video! I hope to see more move analyses in the future!

[@dyll_pyckle]

Great vid!! Very entertaining and informative plus great editing.

[@MetaKirb7]

Wow I loved this video and it's your first one in 3 years. I'm subscribing. Great stuff.

[@johnnyc.2307]

Now talk about ESK for Brawler, arguably the best physical charge move in the game

[@jakeswierdfriend7204]

This was a really good video! Loved the editing and don't think I've subbed to a channel this fast lmao, hope to see more

[@Alemu]

This video is great dude! Keep up the good work!

[@stormRed]

I'm living for this editing style

[@The_Dirt_Cat]

popping off at someone else acknowledging the cool sound effect when landing the counter. best day of my life.

[@StepBaum]

Really good video :) I'll check out your other stuff. Great humour and to the point

[@spiralzzz3and419]

Ok, but you have to admit that the sound it makes is really satisfying.

[@nsanity4624]

ngl, I didn't even know about the ridculously small detection window for this move! A high quality vid, def need more subs dude.

[@BigTangoMan]

damn this is super high quality, keep it up

[@floaf]

i thought "its not THAT bad" before i saw the detection hitbox lol

[@WarioLandIV]

Never seen your content before, but this is great! Keep it up.

[@wasaswasas9258]

great video, just discovered your channel and i love your editing and commentary

[@bobdude273]

This is a great video, good job man

[@FluffyDragon-cm8bz]

This is some high quality stuff. Keep at it.

[@meichelr]

4:17 the idea that the mii brawler is grabbing simon's whip, yanking it upwards and using it to rappel him up to CATCH AND THROW HIM, is conceptually terrifying

[@basicallybilly9137]

Great video, your knowledge on the game is really good, and it’s difficult to find new things to talk about for this 5 year old game, so really good stuff

[@j0hnturbo]

please keep vids like this up. this is awesome