SSC16 - Abadango (Mewtwo) vs Noble | Ryo (Ike, Roy) Losers - Smash 4

[@FatesR]

I sexually identify as a Roy nair

[@45tone]

That's hot. I sexually identify as a Roy hair maybe it's meant to be

[@solo_mander]

I sexually identify as Abadangos hidden Rosa

[@Megaguris100]

If only Ryo didn't SD..

[@mo533]

BRO... :-(

[@selkirkswift]

Tourney results don't or shouldn't mean everything. Regardless of outcome on paper, you can see Roy's true quality in this performance

[@DreamerADV]

Too many characters look good on paper. What characters need to stand out is results. That's just how it is.

[@XMan396]

^

[@linkonar7823]

That's not so much the character's fault as it is the player for not utilizing the character as well as they should. Characters do have their shortcomings and I'm not going to ignore that, but ANY character can destroy just about everything if the player is smart enough to adapt accordingly to how the character should be played. I have to agree (mostly) Soundwave Superior.

[@ChocoFudgies]

ryo did so many right things with roy, i agree with most things he did during the set (though he should have really slowed down a little against rosa since a lot can go wrong against her if you approach too much *cough* luma jank *cough*) . Roy is way too underrated by most people, would be happy to see more rep of roy from ryo and other players in the future.

[@Faltzerbeast90]

after watching this. Roy is definitely my boy. Amazing that he can beat a Mewtwo as good as Abadango

[@Rhy2412TitanGamer]

"Roy is way too underrated by most people". I agree even though he's mid-tier. He has some of the best air speed and has one of the fastest dashes. The thing is, when Roy can get in, he can kill as early as 60% with rage.

[@Rhy2412TitanGamer]

Jeeezsus nuts He has to be close to his target for his moves to achieve the power of a character like Corrin or Ike. he has some problems with characters that can exploit his recovery and space him out.

[@Rhy2412TitanGamer]

Jeeezsus nuts The highest I believe Roy can go when played at the highest possible capacity is mid-upper tier. His moves weave into each other when tipped and they can be blended with the base of his sword for combos. OoS Up-B and Neutral A are great and his mobility overall is one of the better ones in SSB4. His recovery is exploitable and he has to wait for an opening. I believe Roy is better than Doc and Falco. The others are difficult decisions because they net similar rewards from their strongest attack and their combo games.

[@Rhy2412TitanGamer]

Jeeezsus nuts I believe *G&W*, when played at the highest level is at high upper tier. Sure he's light, has a weak ledge game, & most of his moves are punishable on shield, but he compensates that by having great shield damage, some of the best juggling a character could want, a Up-Smash with intangibility frames that kills early, good SSB4 factor with rage boosting his good kill moves, good range on his many moves, long-lasting hitboxes, and recovery that's hard to stop, good off-stage presence, one of the best dash attacks in the game, and having a great crouch that can evade many moves. *Link* is low-High tier when played at his highest potential. He has good SSB4 factor because he's fairly heavy. He has big hitboxes and a ton of power on most of his moves. He has decent OoS with Nair and jab. His projectile game insures he won't ever have to approach most characters (meaning he can easily rack up a ton of percent when he gets stage control). He does notable shield damage and his f-tilt, d-tilt, jab 1 & 2, Nair, Bair, and zair moves are very hard to punish wen spaced properly, or at the least, risky to punish. he has good juggling with his aerials and he has good landing with his dair having no lag when spaced properly from the floor or platform. His big problems are getting comboed, lacking an up-close game, having an exploitable recovery, and being forced to approach some characters. I believe Shulk is mid-High tier when played at his best. He has an exploitable Up-B (good OoS though), has predictable moves, has Minado Arts that have downfalls, and lacks up-close frame data(which leaves him vulnerable to hardcore rush-down characters and forces him to space his moves perfectly). He mitigates that by having the longest disjointed range in SSB4. His Up-tilt is one of the best. He has an easy time 2-framing the ledge with D-tilt or spiking characters through it with Dair. And being able to wall out many characters with his Nair, Fair, & Bair alone can be really good against many charcaters. His Minado Art Canceling enables him to cencal the landing-lag on his aerials, which leads to possible mixups of being even harder to punish. His Minado Arts give him everything he needs to succeed at a cost. *Speed* enhances his neutral, enabling him to play super campy or super-aggressive at the cost of having a worse jump. *Jump* gives him some of the better off-stage presence, a 50/50 kill setup from his up-throw, and some of the best air stats at the cost of taking more damage from aerial attacks. *Shield* makes him one of the heaviest characters but reduces his mobility greatly. *Buster* lowers the knockback on his moves while dealing more & damage and increasing shield damage and pushback. This makes his combo game really solid (although you'll take more damage from anything). *Smash* makes him one of the lightest character while making most of his moves kill moves and he even gets 2 kill throws in D-throw (with smash active it's the strongest) and B-throw (one of the strongest with smash active).

[@sunjerry2746]

Pause at 0:02

[@takeiteze2847]

... still handsome. XD

[@mo533]

Bro, that's his game face bro. Strikes fear into opponents, small kids & animals bro. Real talk.

[@mingfeid.4627]

small kids like Ness and animals like Fox?

[@williamgrace7676]

Ryo's our byo

[@Angululu]

This was the most hype set of SSC for me personally, both from being a Roy main and from Ryo and abadango being two of my favorite smashers, you better believe I was shouting "Roys our boy" in that crowd XD

[@ssf1500-z6n]

I was streaming the whole thing, and I was shouting Roy's our boy too.

[@WingGT79]

A skilled Roy can beat any Mewtwo

[@laken6461]

Its ABADANGO though he's not any Mewtwo.

[@MrJustoalfredo]

A skilled mew two can beat any Roy. You can say that about almost all characters. It's smash 4. Reads and rage.

[@lewis6051]

+Laken 64 (Laken64) he is a mewtwo though, so he falls under the category of "any mewtwo" I don't think you know the meme lol

[@laken6461]

No I don't know the meme what is it?

[@Pilom92]

The original melee meme is "A skilled Roy can beat any Fox"

[@CaptFalcio]

I think Ryo would've won if he countered Rosa by switching back to Ike. Roy has a hard time killing Luma and then can't really deliver much damage before he comes back. Ike, on the other hand, is a Luma killer, and has more range and power to wear down Rosa while she stalls; sure, killing Luma the easy way will often be punished, but that's a relatively small price to pay to give Rosa a hard time and force her to play virtually the whole match without Luma, which will put most Rosas in a situation they usually don't experience against most characters.

[@willpanuska731]

My friends played agaisnt Ryo and Sol this weekend, they said they are two of the nicest smash players in the scene. Such a nice thing to see humility from two great players.

[@Arilinity]

smash community: there's no ryo on top 32. ryo: i gotchu fam.

[@tangsta35]

they need better mics, all this clipping when they shout is no good

[@mingfeid.4627]

Roy's nair: Ryocopter 2.0?

[@alexssb5023]

😂

[@fissilewhistle]

Every time someone says Roy is bad, I laugh. This is why.

[@NonJohns]

Nah Ryo is just good Roy is good if you hit his moves but they're really hard to get with his lack of approach options

[@ethancollins5501]

But Roy sucks tho

[@fissilewhistle]

Ha! It's still funny...

[@ethancollins5501]

+KamektheMagikoopa1 listen my man, I've played Roy since day one, and he's pretty bad. He has an incredibly complex and hard to maintain neutral, no safe approaches, next to no safe moves on shield, mediocre recovery, his only redeeming factors are grab combos/mix ups, and very good air and ground speed. (Things that nearly all of all characters in this game have)

[@fissilewhistle]

+Ethan Collins Stop man, you're killing me! It's too much!

[@celticwind4122]

roy is one of those characters that when things are going right hes crazy dangerous, but when things arent he gets recked lol.

[@brennanforrest7472]

In other words, "Roy is a character in a fighting game."

[@celticwind4122]

Mangle ToKangle I meant like he can do some crazy combos and get early kills but if he loses momentum hes combo food and can get gimped easily.

[@danielestrada2576]

+Celtic Wind basically a glass cannon

[@Direwoof]

Well kinda in the same way as Cloud. They are both quite heavy you can't kill them at early percent. Like Mewtwo and Jigglypuff are the glass cannons cause they so light.

[@MoistMarsupial]

*ROY'S OUR BOY*

[@awesommegamerman]

Remember guys, Roy is bottom 5. :^)

[@NonJohns]

It's really hard to react DI so you have to preemptively DI but that too has problems. At some point Ryo did forward throw jab up b He could've hit with side tilt and the most optimal DI is inwards but that's perfect DI for jab and apparently Abadango wasn't aware of the up b angle so he died

[@uqure1595]

tbh i dont think he's bottom 5 but moreso bottom 15. Just my opeenion tho

[@Steven-ff1fs]

Yet, results like this prove that statement completely wrong.

[@CaptainFalchion]

I know Ryo didn't take the set, but he did win 2 matches. And tbh, less people should be surprised when a lower tier character wins. Yes, Roy isn't used as much as other characters, but remember you can be good with any character, if you know how and you practice enough. The reason I'm not surprised is because me and my brother play Smash so much and use so many different characters, that we know the ins and outs. And by doing that, we become proficient at the game in general. We don't only play 1 character, and not only watch one character. Like when people say "Oh wow a [insert lower tier character] won!" They shouldn't be THAT surprised, and think that lesser used characters can't win at all. Thats the great thing about competition, is that upsets happen. And Smash 4 is a more balanced game than the previous titles, in my eyes. So seeing combos and kills that other people will react like "you can do that?" is not new to me. I don't know everything, but I've taken the time to experiment, try out, and observe more than just my mains. I've mained Link and Marth since Melee, and each game I've used more and more characters and i've become more knowledgeable and proficient with them. Sometimes I feel like I can be a good commentator, because some commentators barely know anything lol. I encourage people to pay attention to other characters, so when someone is surprised, you can say you weren't, and tell them that they've been sleeping on that fighter.

[@ClintonChelak]

I feel pretty sure these players put quite a lot of hours on each character in the roster to know the match up. Even players with only single mains. Watch anyone play iron mans. Every Pro knows the bread and butters of each character and their key mechanics. When you ask for the level of precision of these guys, you tend to only get to that level with one or two characters, so a pro might as well invest in someone with good frame data. Roy, though enjoyable to play, is not worth the investment for many of these pros.

[@navataru]

I get where you're coming from but do keep in mind that skill is what gets you the win but once you reach a plateau and challenge another player with equal skill that's where the influence of character frame data and move sets start to influence the outcome. I know tier list isn't everything but having the ability to abuse certain characters for their frame data does provide a significant advantage over someone using a character that can't. I too main Link. I'm not good by any means, I try to practice, but against certain characters like Mario who can throw out moves and hardly be punished for it is just ridiculous whereas as Link player missing their move will take a string of attacks or a smash attacks to the face because of how bad Link lags.

[@TemplarAnimated]

JayE but there's a reason Low Tiers aren't winning tournaments. While Ryo is carrying Roy here, it stands to reason if he put the same number of hours on a higher tier character, he may have done better. That's what makes it hype that he went 3-2 on Abadango with Roy.

[@sirmustardofhousemayonnais9907]

JayE nice essay

[@CaptainFalchion]

Jay Bowers who are you, my teacher? sit yo dumbass down

[@anyichibuogwu9086]

What I like about Ryo is that he has a lot of characters that he actually knows

[@freeformjazz2693]

I WAS hoping Ryo would come out on top (mainly because I'm a Roy main), but after seeing how hard Ryo fought and how well he did, I think I am content with the results.

[@ColdWeatherr]

I'm so glad my two favorite commentators were on the mic for this

[@Faltzerbeast90]

Looks at video length. Damm this is gonna be good

[@Faltzerbeast90]

also the way Luma killed Roy last match, last stock is pure cancer. That character was fucked from day 1 dev.

[@outseteddy6306]

Shout out to my fellow Roy mains! I really hope Ryo makes it far, and perhaps top 20 one day. He's one of my favorite Smash players (along with Nairo and Mew2King)

[@blazegoldenblade5462]

Roy's our boy

[@outseteddy6306]

Blazegoldenblade You know it!

[@blazegoldenblade5462]

+Outset I'm still waiting for them to buff Roy's recovery a bit and give an auto cancel move so he can be indisputably a sold mid tier

[@outseteddy6306]

Blazegoldenblade I think a wall jump would do him so much justice

[@blazegoldenblade5462]

+Outset lol we are trying to make him balanced not op

[@bigboybunter3417]

When did Abadango start playing Luma?

[@theinternetpacifist4898]

He used Rosalina And Luma as far back as EVO 2015

[@tonycool4294]

Shofu my man. The best commentator ever

[@MJLEGACY14]

that read at 18:34 is godlike!

[@DoubIeRose]

how did rosa survive 18:35?

[@aninymouse1651]

Two of my favorite players! Great job, Ryo! Great job, Abadongo!

[@pleasingsnail7048]

I just love ryo, you can tell he's a genuine person.

[@WilliamShinal]

matches like this are what get me HYPE!

[@Antifrost]

This has to be one of the most intense sets I've ever seen.

[@Aemulator.]

I feel like the only reason we call them "button checks" instead of "hand warmers" is because Melee fans would be angry because "they aren't real button checks"

[@brennanforrest7472]

It literally just depends on the commentators.

[@ianslee9410]

Aemulator Marth no, it port can be off, the button set up could be not what you want. if you are wireless you gotta check for lag. There's a lot

[@hoaha4726]

Ryo definitely one of the entertaining smash players to watch!

[@krazyzyko]

Why didn't ryo use counter? Is it bad? I never bought Roy DLC so l wouldn't know.

[@harrydublin2628]

I gotta admit, Abadango's Mewtwo's really OSM

[@AlexRyoma1995]

- "So what's your gender?" - "Roy's n-air"

[@ds2587]

Roy's Our Boy

[@rangodash]

This guy is amazing with roy holy crap. Makes me want to play him

[@disappointedfather9394]

My top 2 favorite players going at it, what crazy matches these were! Both players improved. I didn't see Abadango moving like this against Ally, and Ryo's Roy was always good but I don't remember seeing these tricks from him. If it wasn't for that SD, he could've won that.

[@michaelshaer937]

"Was this character buffed?" No, its just that everyone ranks him low due to one thing and ignores everything else

[@grapejuice9681]

I wouldn’t have been upset if Aba lost. Because deep down he and all of us know that Ryos’ Roy was insane! Great battle for sure. But to all those Roy fans, Roy is indeed our boy. :) I may be a MewTwo and Cloud main, but I do enjoy me some Roy when I have friends over. So I give Roy attention as well. :)

[@redpikmin6330]

Rest in peace, Roy of Pharae. Fell to Luma's dair being bull crap, and self destruction

[@Chadius]

Did Ryo lose weight? Good for him!

[@jontanks1]

Lol I popped off with Ryo on the 2nd match

[@maxieprimo2758]

Abadango us my favorite smash player. Period.

[@ftfbub]

Oh god my two favorite smash players fighting.. Shit

[@mathiewi8020]

this does definitely show that roy is a good character but abadango probably didn't know to roy matchup to well. abadango did put roy low in his tier list so he might've slept on roy at the begining. if he did know the roy matchup, he would have known to di the jab correctly since the nair one gives abadango enough time to di the jab.

[@theyounglion4141]

I don't get it, I understand that Roy doesn't have the range like Marth but come on guys Roy is a good character a great one at that. I'm saying because I main him I'm saying this because I think if look at what a character excels at and not what they don't then there wouldn't be so many arguments about "Who's better, Marth or Roy?" and we can appreciate that character and how they are played. But saying Roy is a "bad character" is really fair, don't you agree?

[@OrangeKyle91]

20:43 Shot through the heart... :(

[@justusoconnor3243]

is that shofu on commentary?

[@leeroy7115]

gaddamn that hype was so real my heart stopped..

[@konohahurricane07]

How have these commentators not seen Ryo's Roy? Welcome back from your coma.

[@conradgarcia-hauzer4630]

Nothing beats Ryo commentated by Young Shofu

[@cooper1431]

OH MY GOD WHAT A NICE MATCH FROM BOTH PLAYERS THO :O

[@INFECTION112]

I don't think those dash attacks by ryo at the end were intentional, I'd bet he was going for a turn around fsmash or ftilt. good shit though, only getting better

[@vyse8637]

all because the sd .....I WAS SO HYPED

[@PeterTheRock3]

Wait.. is that Shofu on the mic??

[@bobrobin318]

13:15 I lost my respect for Abadango here

[@TeddyBearsUnited]

He used Rosa many times before.

[@bobrobin318]

Teddy Bears United But this is my first time seeing it. I can't believe Mewtwo players look up to him; He didn't place second because of Mewtwo, he did for playing the same character everyone else plays. Mewtwo was incorrectly labelled as A-Tier because of Abadonkey Kong, however, Mewtwo never actually won, Rosalina did.

[@TeddyBearsUnited]

bob robin You think Mewtwo players look up to him because of this tournament? He got 1st at Pound using Mewtwo, 5th at Evo, i think 5th at CEO, which is better than any other Mewtwo mains.

[@isaacjohnson8796]

Plus he popularized the nair footstool disable combo. Im more disappointed he didnt go pac-man tbh.

[@MrMockRock]

You're not a very bright person, are you?

[@AriIsConfused]

When the commentators dont know what their talking about. Ike can combo at pretty much any point with down throw or up throw, especially around the 50-90% mark.

[@Saber_234]

Manta they were saying because of Mewtwo's floatyness, it's rather difficult for a hard hitter like Ike to make combos on such a mobile, lightweight character

[@mzittel97]

great job Ryo. you gave a great fight

[@uqure1595]

Tfw people bring this up when arguing roy has results.

[@scottconnelly6667]

shoutout to DKwill for Abadango deleting his tag.

[@conallhawkins1454]

Jesus that Roy was so hype My heart can't take it my boy lost

[@carsonsmith2680]

Such a hype match

[@DSWiifan]

It's in Ryo's name to play Roy Kappa

[@hououinkyouma5539]

I'm torn who to root for.

[@hankpalomar5724]

Wate this isn't melle:(

[@Do_What1]

I've said Roy is a decent character since he first got released but everyone always called him trash. if it wasn't for that SD Ryo would have won. probably gonna see more Roy on for glory now

[@BloodSavedMe]

here is the thing from my experience roy mew2 is not as bad for roy as ppl think. he can trap mew2 with a lot and kill way early

[@x1Lateralus]

So Hype omg!!!

[@israeloseguera6199]

Mewtwo has a shadow ball Lucario has aura sphere every body gets that wrong EVERYBODY!!!!

[@weggensjeanbaptiste]

only bad char in this game is jiggs lol other wise if your comfortable with a char you can do good

[@cullenhutchison6528]

I don't care about the result, Roy is still our boy!

[@Cheesesteakfreak]

Ryo is the most skilled smash4 player, the only reason he doesn't take nationals is because his characters are mid to low tier.

[@ColdWeatherr]

Corrin?...

[@testingmysoup5678]

Mid tier

[@mouachanman]

+Owen Corn is high tier

[@testingmysoup5678]

According to the new tier list and many top players corrin is mid "C" tier

[@seanperez8984]

He uses characters he wants to use which are all Fire Emblem characters. I would like to see him use Marth more though.

[@freeformjazz2693]

They Roy Super Ultra Triple Combo #7 with a side of fRoys: Nair to jab to up-b.

[@かか-n2l9d]

ロイは空中機動すごいからな

[@pumpkin7446]

Luma gives me 2000% anxiety. Triggered everytiem. This was a great set, though.

[@RogerG085]

ryo is hype.

[@mathwizard296]

12:15 abandango looks so depressed anyone else feel bad?

[@rahulshankar4784]

Probably because he got bodied by a character he thought was bottom 2.

[@theyounglion4141]

Oh and believe me I don't think Roy is the best at all, but he is at least higher mid tier.

[@Kentrello]

My boy shofu!

[@SonOfSparda3]

Yooo. Abadango was stressing out from him pretty bad XD Damn that was a good ass match

[@Liam-mv9zi]

Is this my boy shofu commentating? It really sounds like my boy shofu...

[@Liam-mv9zi]

Ah, it is shofu. I'd recognize that voice anywhere

[@christ1121]

Aba's face after game 3 lol

[@grabbit9238]

Is this Shofu?

[@king_badmon4601]

yes

[@gingerbreadman1108]

no this is patrick

[@MytHDracula]

Shofu?

[@theyounglion4141]

My bad I meant I'm not saying this because I main him

[@ryansvicee]

Ryo killed it

[@accel103]

I've probably played more Roy than Ryo and I feel like a joke compared to him

[@arshadsiddiqui9071]

Mercy to the headphone users!

[@ezequielg856]

extrañaba ver jugar a Ryo :'D .-. e notado una severa degradación de la jugabilidad en Ike

[@なな-s7g2b]

ロイうますぎ

[@matiaskulczewski474]

what a match bro

[@itscoolthough419]

my man shofu

[@liamlocklear4052]

first few games were too damn hype

[@mo533]

Ryo why u SD!!?? Wah still amazing.

[@るか-j2w]

この頃イケメンだなー

[@perryb.2732]

this set had me stressin

[@elnuevoc6222]

Roy our boy

[@joegrimes8469]

Young shofu on the mic

[@45tone]

LUMA????!!! ARE YOU SERIOUS???? JANK AF