SSF Kit Install for the AtGames Legends 4K or FX Legends Pinball

[@InsideSimRacing]

Thanks for the awesome tutorial. Got me through it on my new Star Trek edition. Keep up the great work!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Thank you so much for the $, that was super-kind of you and very much appreciated! I've seen some photos of the Star Trek cabinet, but haven't seen one in-person yet. How do you like it? It looks beautiful from what I've seen, the topper is amazing too.

[@InsideSimRacing]

@WagnersTechTalk you're very welcome! Your tutorial walked me through it step by step. Star Trek is a great machine! I'll like it more once their servers come back online to update.

[@HouseOfHoundsTV]

Thanks for your tutorial. It was bang on. Installed the SSF today with no issues. I must say, wow, what a difference. You made this easy for anyone to follow along. ❤

[@WagnersTechTalk]

So awesome to hear, I'm glad it was helpful!

[@TampaTec]

Fantastic guide! Jon deserves 👍👍👍 and sub. You're always helpful.

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Thank you brother! Check out TampaTec's mod on how to add flashing LEDs to your topper: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWrHp6p4j92cqbc . It flashes based on the sounds from the 4KP!

[@Freejack1971]

I’ll drop a bonus your way too. This video was very helpful with my Star Trek as well!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Thank you so much, I greatly appreciate it! It's been a difficult morning for me, this made me smile. Thank you for that!

[@deanmcmanis9398]

Thanks for your AtGames 4K Pinball game assembly videos, and also this SSF kit install video. It took me and my friend about an hour to install the SSF kit, despite accidentally putting the playfield screen back in inverted, and swapping the plugs for two of the exciters (revealed on the audio tests). Those were both easy fixes. I appreciate your careful instructions, plus AtGames thoughtful design with colored and labeled tags for easy connections. The SSF kit really makes the audio richer, fuller and more crisp. Bringing it closer to a real pinball experience. However, the SSF kit did highlight the Addams Family lag, as there is an obvious delay between the solenoid click and the corresponding SSF sounds. I can understand why AtGames separated the SSF kit to keep the base price lower, but I am very glad that I spent the extra money on the SSF kit.

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Very welcome Dean, thank you for watching! One hour is the best timing I've heard so far, great that it went relatively smoothly for you. The latency in Addams is discussed here, if you're interested: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Legends_Pinball_4K_Latency (see yellow area for a video demonstration). While it's improving, it's still not where it needs to be. AtGames and Zen have this as their #1 priority to resolve. There will be an update to correct some micro-stutter issues with the non-Zen tables on the 20th of this month. What I found interesting is that none of the micro stutter issues were evident in earlier builds I tested (all tables shown here played very smoothly with no stuttering: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Table_Game_Play ). It appears to have been something introduced on release. Once I noticed it, I immediately informed AtGames of it.

[@violator6677]

Took me about 1 hr and 10 min from start to finish and honestly the videos was amazing. I couldn't even imagine doing the ssf without your great video. All I had to do was fallow the instructions that are easy to watch and I had my ssf kid up and running on my atgames 4k pinball. I can't say It enough, THANK YOU for your help and time you put into ensuring our pinball are sounding awesome.

[@WagnersTechTalk]

That's awesome, so far that's record time (1h 10m)! So happy to hear the video was helpful to you ❤ Thank you so much for letting us know how it went!

[@travis-n-joy]

Brilliant instructions. I followed this to install the SSF into my 2nd machine, since my first one came factory installed. Everything worked perfectly. I was able to install it without removing the glass or the main display. It was quite a bit more difficult, but I didn't want to risk breaking important parts. Thanks again Jon!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Very welcome Travis, happy it was helpful to you! I gotta ask, how did you install it without removing the glass and the display?

[@travis-n-joy]

I installed the Sub from the back with the access panel removed. I had to remove a couple of plastic pieces at the top and manuever around the PCB cabling. But with a little bit of patience, it slid right in. The two boards I could easily install from the back panel. The speakers I could install from the back panel and with the front control panel removed. It took a lot of patience to do, but it was doable. I have long arms.

[@DennisMangual]

I appreciate your videos so much. This helped me figure out how to take the glass out properly without breaking it.

[@zoidctf]

Finished installing my SSF kit today. Thanks so much for the guide. Getting that screw in on the A post for the power board was a pain in the butt!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Awesome, how different does it sound to you? Yeah, that one area is a pain 😀

[@zoidctf]

@@WagnersTechTalk It's quite an upgrade. You can really feel the exciters like when the ball gets dropped in the launcher. The feedback is also noticeable when you hit drop targets on particular sides. Now once they address the flipper lag in Addams Family, this is going to be an amazing machine.

[@foxbox19]

Outstanding tutorial! Just installed the kit in my dinosaur Dynasty that Ive had for a year. Waited till black friday for the deal.

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Thanks, I'm glad it helped you get your install done!

[@smku2268]

Thank you so much for the detailed video. Installed the Ssf kit on my new Star Trek table. Very easy only took 1hr thanks to this detailed video!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Great news that you got setup so quickly, hope you're enjoying the SSF Kit!

[@michaeldangelo6737]

Just got mine installed. Thank you for this, it was extremely helpful! SSF Kit is a game changer!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Very welcome, happy to help! Yeah, this kit makes a massive difference (imo).

[@cman01]

I was literally just now watching the first SSF kit video when this came out. Preparing to put mine in. Thanks!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Very welcome, let us know what you think about the difference in sound when you're done!

[@cman01]

@@WagnersTechTalk All done and it is incredible! Really adds another dimension! Thanks for making the install straightforward!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Awesome, happy to hear you're enjoying it too!

[@metascension]

Just installed my SSF Kit yesterday using your video as the guide. Not that difficult a job, and it sounds great!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Glad it it was helpful, it does make a huge difference in the immersion of the games!

[@Turner82]

Thanks for this awesome video Jon, huge help to me when I did my install. Truly appreciate it

[@WagnersTechTalk]

You're very welcome, happy to hear this helped! What do you think about the sound difference?

[@Turner82]

@@WagnersTechTalk it’s very cool so far, excited to see what else Zen has in store for SSF on their tables. I think it’s just one more cool feature to make it more immersive and gives it a more realistic sound and positioning

[@UltimateTechHub]

Great Video Jon! I love sub woofers for some strange reason! Keep up the great videos!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Haha, me too! It's all about the bass 😎 Thank you for watching buddy! Btw - may be referencing your PC Build video in an upcoming video, if that's ok? (this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/enjOXn6vl9yDg7c )

[@UltimateTechHub]

@WagnersTechTalk Absolutely Jon, you can use whatever video footage you want from the video. Are you watching the SuperBowl l? I'm off today. Didn't want to work in that crazy environment. Have a great weekend !

[@WagnersTechTalk]

@@UltimateTechHub Thank you, I'll be starting a project of connecting a PC to the Legends Pinball 4K. Some are going to prefer info. on how to build their own PC and I'll be referring them to an expert in that area, YOU! Good call not working today, enjoy the game and your Sunday!

[@artjogo]

Update: At Games sent me the correct email link and we are good to go thanks Wagner!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Sweet, great news! Thank you for the update.

[@davefoster3810]

Really really help simplify the process! Thank you

[@WagnersTechTalk]

You're very welcome, hope you are loving the SSF kit!

[@GiMMaY]

Instailling the exciters.. I see the AtGames image shows the D/E pointing the cable towards the back. But when you install them, they are pointing down it appears. Then you say to rotate 90 degrees for the back ones. Just use the image in the instructions and front point backwards and the back rotate 90 degrees to point down?

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Just use the orientation from the PDF for D&E, yes. It doesn't matter the speaker is round so there wouldn't be any difference in sound. But, to keep things consistent with the PDF, I mentioned it there.

[@violator6677]

Hey quick question the subwoofer is extremely faint I have it set to loud but it still sounds like it has no power is getting power because it does activate but the subwoofer is acting underpowered. Any suggestions or ideas, could it need an update? I'm not the only one, on there forums there are a few of us with this issue

[@WagnersTechTalk]

It's pretty loud for me, especially while playing Gloomhaven in FX over OTG. The bass is very evident. You may want to open a ticket with AtGames to get more information. I don't have much to add.

[@violator6677]

@@WagnersTechTalk I will definitely open up a ticket and see what they say. Also do you know what resolution and ratio the playfiled back glass and dmd are? I'm trying to set up pinball fx vpx and vp tables..... You know I really need a video from you about how to set up a pc to the atgames 4k your other videos are so helpful but not exactly what I need for the atgames 4k pinball ....

[@WagnersTechTalk]

I can help you with the PC Setup and Pinball FX/M. It's all here on this new guide that I released yesterday: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k-pcsetup . I don't have the videos ready, those will be coming as soon as I can put them together (I spent about a week dedicated to this written guide). Pinball FX+M are also on that same page, should help you with most all aspects minus vpx (that will come after videos for PC Setup and FX+M).

[@RobinRamkissoon]

I had mine installed by AtGames before it shipped to me, and it’s also really faint in my tests. I haven’t opened a ticket yet, but will do so soon. Did you get the issue resolved?

[@michaelkeith1366]

Couldn’t have done the install without you. My one question is that my subwoofer box doesn’t seem to do much. It works but is weak in test mode. Is that normal? And yes I had the volume at 75.

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Thank you for your kind comment, happy to hear you're all setup! The speaker in test mode is a bit quiet, during game play it will be more prominent.

[@TiltBobPinball]

great video 👍

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Thank you 👍

[@shanemealy2390]

Thank you for your videos, I recieved my ALP 4k last week w/ssf installed and we have a loud pop from speakers at the atgames logo on initial startup (does it everytime). Is this normal. Everything else seems to be working as intended. I have checked all connections (I think) inside cabinet. Thanks for any replys

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Very welcome for the videos and thank you for watching! If you turn the volume all the way down, power it off, then power back on do you still hear the pop?

[@shanemealy2390]

@@WagnersTechTalk yes

[@shanemealy2390]

Any ideas on why or how to stop this from happening

[@joeyzbf2]

I just got my SSF kit for my pinball 4k Jurrasic Park. I your followed your video step by step. When i put it all back together, my D Pad isn’t working no more. I traced the white connector on back of Pad to the back control board, checked connections for looseness and tried unplugging and reconnecting. Yes, restarted machine several times. Everything works except the menu D pad buttons. What to do?

[@WagnersTechTalk]

One thing to check may be for any bent pins in the connector going to the dpad. Just make sure the machine is powered off before adjusting any connections. If that doesn't help, please open a ticket here: www.atgames.net/arcades/contact

[@joeyzbf2]

@ yup! Checked all that. But i just resolved my problem. I took the panel off again and discovered that there are two wires with same exact connectors, one black cable that runs all the way to the back board and one white ribbon cable that runs to a small board in front of cabinet. I saw a video online where someone showed the inside control panel and it was the white ribbon cable. So disconnected the black and swapped it with the white and everything is working again. I guess i should have photo’d before taking apart. There are two wires with exact connector ends. Now my question is what does the black wire go to? I do not recall taking any other wires off while installing the SSF kit, just the wires to the front controller. Does that black wire go to anything or just a spare cable for a future upgrade like the usb black cable just hanging there? Thanks for your help. Loved your SSF Kit video, everything is working fine.

[@ciphfer6925]

Anyway to get the dimensions on the subwoofer box? I would love to build a similiar one and mod my current ALP this way with an external amp.

[@WagnersTechTalk]

I would design it based on opening the ALP HD and measuring there and seeing what would work best. No guarantees that the dimensions for the subwoofer box in the SSF kit would fit the same way.

[@arcadetalk]

Do you know what the max brightness in nits are for the Atgames 4K playfield? Or at least what the make and model it is? I was trying to compare the 4k to the hd for the brightness and contrast.

[@WagnersTechTalk]

I don't know the answer to your question, at this point. If I find out, I'll let you know.

[@arcadetalk]

@@WagnersTechTalk I totally understand. Thank you Jon.

[@dmcg99]

So the black display cable that connects to the main monitor was never connected to the main internal hardware for me. Where does the other end of the display cable connect to coming from the monitor?

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Are you talking about the playfield display cable? See 08:49 (pause it). You'll see the main playfield display cable plugging into the main board. It may have come loose.

[@dmcg99]

Yes that’s the one. Mine must’ve came loose during shipping. It’s working great now! Thanks for the quick help/reply

[@violator6677]

Step 7...What happens if you installed the cables the wrong way? How will it sound or act

[@WagnersTechTalk]

It will work fine, it's just the colors of the wires.

[@violator6677]

@@WagnersTechTalk sorry I meant if you installed it wrong.... Because my ssf is working just fine and I did install it from the original video not the revised

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Right, it will be just fine as-is, no need to open it up and change it. The only reason I re-released this video is because I had the cable reversed. It works either way just fine (the electronics don't care about the color of the wires). However, I should/do care, in a video.

[@amelexiam1]

Used your video to install the kit and everything was working fine. Had to take apart the machine to move its location and now sound is clipping. Any ideas what could cause that? I made sure everything was plugged in correctly?

[@Comrade2k7]

Great guide, is there a way to order these with it pre-installed? Or was that a one-time special promo for the Adam's Family?

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Thank you! Stay tuned to AtGames social media, it may be possible at some point soonish.

[@SharpestBulbs]

I saw nothing about super street fighter. What does ssf stand for?

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Sure, it's Surround Sound Feedback (SSF). Basically, you have 9 speakers around the machine which simulate the ball rolling, playfield sounds (bumpers/thuds), etc. It provides a more immersive experience, similar to what you'd hear on a physical pinball machine.

[@AmericanLandEquity]

For the 2 backlight cables on the playfield does it matter which one goes where?

[@WagnersTechTalk]

When I unplugged each of mine, I set the left one to the far left and the right one to the far right.

[@AmericanLandEquity]

ok thanks @@WagnersTechTalk

[@TheBigb1973]

Didn't you have a video about the thing hand and where to put it?

[@WagnersTechTalk]

I didn't make a video, but I have some info here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Thing_Mod

[@pinfarmer]

Even if you don't have the SSF I'd recommend opening it up. Found a screw in the bottom of the game. Could have been a bad short waiting to happen!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Yeah, that's not good! Glad you caught that.

[@jkp17]

Great guides! Any chance of doing a Baller Installer VPX OTG guide and/or Steam FX3/FX on OTG?

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Much appreciated! Yes, they will be coming. Work is starting this week, please give me some time on it as there will be written and video guides and released individually.

[@jkp17]

Looking forward to them, thank you!@@WagnersTechTalk

[@gamebit9063]

Do you know when atgames February sale is? Want to buy ssf but not at full price

[@WagnersTechTalk]

I've not been told any dates as of yet. I would suspect we should get some information soon.

[@carlstieren5437]

anyone know what the extra connection is for on the plunger?

[@WagnersTechTalk]

I don't at this point, no.

[@darthdorkimusprime7231]

Great video! Watched it once then did the install in an hour once the SSF kit came in. Not difficult at all to do and you make it very straightforward! Thank you! By the way, what number people get on their ALP 4KP? I got 123 so I'm wondering if they are different or it is generic.

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Awesome to hear everything went smoothly, one hour is impressive! Very welcome and thank you for sharing how it went. Everyone is getting different numbers on the builders plate.

[@darthdorkimusprime7231]

@@WagnersTechTalk good to know about the numbers and I like how mine sounds like a fake number!

[@cnuckols1]

Well got to fix that tonight.

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Not really, it's just the color of the wires.

[@Roadsurfer2k11]

Does the ssf kit also work in otg? So fx3 or popper works through machine speakers? Or does that need dedicated speakers? Do you think $350 ($450 installed) is a worthy price? I have a preorder for $450 installed, but wondering if I should cancel that if we can piece parts ourselves. I'm also wondering if the ssf is sole proprietary, meaning we just can't piece together our own. Perhaps the atgames amp has a firmware designed for it 🤷‍♂️

[@WagnersTechTalk]

The SSF kit can work over OTG, yes. But, it's dependent if the pinball application itself supports SSF. I personally think that the SSF kit is well worth the price, if you ask anyone who installed it themselves or had it pre-installed what they think, I've not yet heard one person state they wish they didn't get it (see comments here for confirmation, if needed). The kit comes with two custom boards, not saying you couldn't piece together your own, but it would likely be cheaper and better integrated going with the AtGames SSF kit. There are a lot of things involved, the firmware is a component as well as SSF support within the Legends4K format. If you install it yourself, you can save some $. If this video scares you, order it pre-installed. If it doesn't, you can save $100. Totally your call.

[@Roadsurfer2k11]

@WagnersTechTalk thank you greatly. Ultimately, I did get the ssf kit and went ahead with pre-installed. If I were to buy the kit later on, we're subjected to $30 shipping, so $430 compared to $500. I could've installed it as my work background was machinery maintenance and over 30 years building pc's, , but I just opted to have them do it. I believe when I preordered the AFM back in December, one factor was you got the full year warranty on the ssf kit if pre-installed. Where-as if added seperate, it's only a 90 day. I also thought about just getting kit off nod sale, and last one had it $50 off, but with the $30 shipping, it's sort of iffy on waiting for mediocre savings.

[@ZappedLife]

Every single purchase I make with atgames has some sort of issue. I'm watching your video while installing my SSF kit and guess what...they sent me 2 cable B and not the proper 6pin/8pin cable I need to install. EVERY Time I make any purchase somthing happens..I'm so sick of this crap and just want my money back at this point but I know that won't happen. Time to hit the FB groups and complain and show videos like everyone else does

[@ZappedLife]

Now im stuck with my machine apart, don't have the cable I need and to top it off there Noone I can call and no place I can get this cable rushed to me. Ugh the frustration!

[@WagnersTechTalk]

I can definitely empathize with the situation. If you haven't already, click the purple chat icon in the lower-right of this page to reach someone in customer service: www.atgames.net/arcades/contact . Let them know the situation and hopefully they'll be able to get you what you need quickly. While there, create a ticket also.

[@ZappedLife]

Thanks Wagner! I reached out to them via the form.. again lol.

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Did you get anyone on the purple chat icon? I've done that a few times and got someone within a few min.

[@ZappedLife]

Hey what purple Icon are you talking about?

[@KevinNYRFAN1]

I will pay the $500 to have it preinstalled. To much of a headache

[@WagnersTechTalk]

Ok, thank you for watching Kevin!