Staggering Scientific Evidence Our Place in the Cosmos is Designed (ft. Jay Richards)

[@thespiritofhegel3487]

Einstein's theory of relativity is the theory that time passes more slowly when you are with your relatives.

[@margarettownley1870]

I would have been 16 when I went to see the original PP video at a local church, and I've never forgotten it. I don't think it's overstating to say it had a profound effect on my faith. Thank you, Jay and Guillermo.

[@bartbannister394]

Too bad it didn’t have a profound effect on your intelligence.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

Me too! When I first saw my first presentation on Creationism and knew it conflicted with scientific understanding, i was amazed at how many people bought the creationist myth BS, hook, line and sinker.

[@theresastrenge5933]

Thank you for sharing this your experience:)I’m homeschooling a teen and I was thinking it would be inspiring for him. I guess that presentation is available, but I should probably get the updated book. God bless!

[@judygranberg4018]

Seeing the vastness of the universe, the Bible tells us it shows the majesty/ greatness of God!

[@w4rsh1p]

Sure would have been cool if it told us stars were light years away and were composed of fusion reactors.

[@stevepierce6467]

Seeing the vastness of the universe is a sign that present-day people have learned much from science, and now see the universe as it really is and not as the bible saw it millennia ago, as a planet in the center of a big round screen with star holes punched in it. The bible represents the childhood of our knowledge (like when I avoided stepping on sidewalk cracks...!) and science represents our maturing into adulthood. The bible does have a few wise bits, like "When I was a child, I spoke as a child....." That is indeed wisdom to live by!

[@gnatural]

@@stevepierce6467 i think you have it backwards. Science is only a means to the discovery of information that has already been there. Take the human eye for example.. it still baffles scientists on how exactly we see and how we are made. The creation is more brilliant than we are and that is why we need science to discover the things we dont know. Therefore, it would make sense that a creation which is more brilliant than we are was designed by a being far more brilliant than anything created. Also, comparing the Bible to child like wisdom is incorrect. Take Genesis 1 for example. In the beginning (time) God created (power) the heavens (space) and the earth (matter) Genesis 1:1 states that God controls all aspects of the known universe and its building blocks. Time, Space, energy and matter. How is it that a book written over 5000 years ago by Moses could know this? its not possible for a man during his time to make such a scientific discovery unless God himself declared it.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@gnatural Science is indeed the means we use to discover the information that already exists. That is exactly the reason why the eye baffles no one except biblical fundamentalists. We have a strong and clear understanding of much of the biology and physics of animals and plants, including the fact that there are "eyes" of widely different levels of development in many species. In some it is but a weak and primitive light sensor, and in others like hawks and eagles it is even more sharply developed than in humans. We are not at all baffled by eyes or most other biological features and functions. The universe is neither brilliant or stupid. It simply IS. As we learn more about it, we understand better how it works. If, as you and the bible say, god controls all aspects of the universe, then he is a very nasty, cruel and depraved dictator, letting avalanches fall on towns full of believers, throwing tornadoes across towns and cities, brewing up yet another fatal pandemic.

[@gnatural]

@@stevepierce6467 why say the creation is not brilliant when we are “learning” about it every single day . We are merely discovering what has been there for thousands of years and we are the ones who are being taught. Psalm 19:2 Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. Science should not make us proud , it should humble us because science reveals that we are constant infants in our understanding of the ever expanding universe . And while I understand that the sufferings of this current universe can be a way to put the blame on God unjustly , consider that in the beginning , God did not create a universe based on corruption and evil . In the book of Genesis after each day of creation he declares Genesis 1:31 states, "And God saw all that he had made, and it was very good" So the sin and brokenness of the universe is due to the disobedience of Adam and not God. However, the Lord did not stop there . He made a way to right all wrongs and bring us back into relationship with him and he did away the sin cursed world by overcoming it on the cross .

[@JungleJargon]

The existence of matter is evidence of Creation since matter can’t make itself.

[@w4rsh1p]

The existence of God is evidence of creation since God can't make itself. Got it.

[@JungleJargon]

@@w4rsh1p You missed it. No physical thing can ever make or direct itself. That means there is a non physical cause.

[@w4rsh1p]

@@JungleJargon right. No non physical thing can ever make or direct itself. That means there's a physical cause.

[@JungleJargon]

@@w4rsh1p You are confusing yourself. You have no evidence of a non physical thing other than what is physical which cannot make or direct itself.

[@w4rsh1p]

@@JungleJargon no I've confused you. You have no evidence of a non physical thing since by definition it doesn't exist.

[@sandramj518]

God is great! He is all knowing! Praise God!

[@russellmiles2861]

Not so much for the Amalek, I'm guessing

[@justin10292000]

​@@russellmiles2861Nope. All false gods are idols and/or demonic entities.

[@w4rsh1p]

I know more than God and so do you! Praise Sandram!

[@SuatUstel]

Almost half of the world population disbeliever,???why!!!!.

[@Magnus_Loov]

God is the worst fantasy that human beings have ever created to falsely try to explain the meaning of life and the universe.

[@liljade53]

I loved the documentary The Privileged Planet

[@BibleSongs]

I love all the ID guys, but Jay Richards is one of the best. The confluence of design for function, discoverability, and beauty is amazing.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

The watchmakers argument is as bad now as it was 100 years ago.

[@Jesusandmentalhealth]

My favorite line from Men In Black: "You humans! When will you learn that size doesn't matter? Just because something's important, doesn't mean it's not very small..." ~ Frank the Pug

[@igotnoname4557]

Which is why we don't just throw brains of Christians in the garbage. You're starting to get it. GJ, little buddy.

[@Agben35]

Saw Jay speak at Denton Bible (Tx). He was great!

[@stevepierce6467]

The venue for his appearance says it all: a fire-and-brimstone church of radical funda-mentalists who have permanently given up rational thought.

[@chriskeen4886]

Best proof for an intelligent creator is that without one you can't prove anything. Information only comes from a mind. Time+Matter+Chance by random unguided processes will never get u to logic itself

[@mikelsikel73]

@@chriskeen4886 2 questions: 1) are you saying that a materialistic brain cannot do logic? 2) do humans have both a brain *and* a mind?

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

@@mikelsikel73 If blind randomness formed a brain (in some mythological imagination), then your thoughts would also be totally random, not orderly, thus no reason to trust your own "logic" to begin with. The atheistic myth of evolutionism is simply illogical, irrational nonsense; they simply don't want to admit that. 🤷‍♂ It's fueled by rebellion against their Creator. The atheists want to be master of their own destiny, thus they push themselves into irrational delusions of imagining the universe without a Designer. Cells are irreducibly complex, to the point that we need all components inside to be there at the same time anyway, so with total blind randomness, no brain could form to begin with. All living organisms literally need an outside source of Mind to make them. Again, atheists hate this but, that's to their own detriment. The fine tuning of the universe is another thing atheists hate, as it obviously points to a Fine Tuner (Mind), so they come up with another badly imagined excuse of there possibly being a "multi verse" and our universe just got "lucky" in that lotto pick of being finely tuned for anything at all to exist. This is the desperate delusion that happens when people just don't want to accept God as their Master. They push themselves into illogical idiocy.

[@adamruuth5562]

Spirit, omnipotence and divinity has never done anything either. But time, matter and chance are shown to exist, at least. So guess which makes the more sturdy hypothesis?

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

Random, unguided universe creates random, unguided brains with random unguided thoughts. Logic and science could not be trusted in a truly unguided universe.

[@stevepierce6467]

Your declaration is proof of nothing other than your own lack of understanding of the world. "Information" is a totally human-created abstract concept which refers to things the human brain can perceive and then interpret. No human has ever actually and verifiably perceived any empirical evidence for the existence of any god, "Proof" requires tangible, verifiable, empirical evidence, and there is none to indicate the presence of an "intelligent creator." As it stands, the idea of "god" stands as an extra unnecessary step in any explanation: "I put lentils in the pot, turned on the burner, god waved his hand and made available to me the art of cooking, the lentils got cooked, I served them up and ate them."

[@corkypeavy]

I did not know about this book, but read "lucky planet" by Waltham which came much later and says similar things. To my amazement, the author seems totally oblivious to how this points towards a creator. For me his book was a powerful apologetic - apparently by accident.

[@russellmiles2861]

Oh, not so lucky for First Nation folk of the Americas, Troglodytae, Trilobite and Amleke.

[@adamruuth5562]

Corky, have you ever asked a real scientist about these things?

[@radscorpion8]

the reason why it doesn't point to a creator is because that is a god of the gaps fallacy

[@djsarg7451]

​@@adamruuth5562 Yes you can: "Improbable Planet: How Earth Became Humanity's Home" By scientist Dr. Hugh Ross

[@djsarg7451]

@@radscorpion8 There is no God of the gaps fallacy anymore. This was a thing of the Past. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error. There is a Testable Creation Model: The frame of reference in Genesis 1:1 is the cosmos, all of physical reality. God declares that he brought into existence the entire universe-matter, energy, and all the associated space-time dimensions. Einstein’s theory of general relativity tells us that the cause of the universe acts independently (i.e., from outside) of matter, energy, and the space-time dimensions along which matter and energy are distributed to bring it into existence. Observations now securely establish the reliability of general relativity. Genesis 1:2 explicitly shifts the frame of reference, the narrator’s vantage point, to the surface of Earth, above the waters but below the clouds. This verse describes the initial conditions of primordial Earth: dark on its surface, covered with water, empty of life, and unfit for life. With the frame of reference and the initial conditions for the six creation days thus established, a straightforward chronology of creation events unfolds: Planet Earth is singled out for a sequence of divine interventions. At its beginning, Earth is empty of life and unfit for life, and light cannot penetrate its thick atmosphere. As interplanetary debris cleared and early life began to transform Earth’s atmosphere, light from the heavenly bodies could penetrate to the surface. As water vapor formed in the troposphere, a stable water cycle formed. Continental landmasses arose and ocean basins took shape. Plants began to grow on the continental landmasses. The atmosphere transitioned from translucent to occasionally transparent so that the Sun, Moon, planets, and stars could be seen from the vantage point of Earth’s surface. Swarms of small sea animals filled the oceans. Sea mammals and birds were created and became abundant. Three specialized kinds of animals came onto the scene: short-legged land mammals, long-legged, easy-to-tame land mammals, and long-legged, difficult-to-tame land mammals-all three appropriate in specific ways to help meet humanity’s needs. Human beings appeared.

[@gardenladyjimenez1257]

Thanks for your book, this show, and especially to hear from viewers with their questions and your answers!

[@wkylegreen]

Really enjoyed this!!! So interesting, can’t wait to read the book.

[@OscarZamora805]

God bless you!

[@joshuapizarro3231]

That makes sense. Most scientists are atheists. So them acquiescing would certainly be a difficult undertaking. I’m just glad it’s gaining traction because ultimately it is a very compelling argument once taken seriously.

[@w4rsh1p]

Why do you think it's compelling. I'm an atheist. I think it's post hoc reasoning. Big Numbers = License to have faith?

[@joshuapizarro3231]

@@w4rsh1p The very fact that we are in the Goldie locks zone is pretty interesting. Then we start moving into what that means in every facet of what it takes to sustain but also cause life to flourish and it gets even more interesting. You then see that math and science is even possible. Which in a world that should be seemingly just random and chaotic you shouldn’t be able to have such concise and accurate mathematic and scientific formulas. But that’s why it’s compelling to me. Understandable if you don’t see it that way.

[@w4rsh1p]

@@joshuapizarro3231 I mean - the entire fine tuning argument can be used by me to explain why people invent religions to have fine tuned faith-based concepts to be believable and spreadable. The very fact that all religions boil down to having blind faith in undemonstrable concepts is far more interesting than calculating big numbers and assuming one of 4,200 deities is singularly responsible, when that still doesn't explain how the deity became complex enough to do the fine tuning.

[@joshuapizarro3231]

@@w4rsh1p well you can do anything you want with whatever you want if you so choose. Don’t know how that’s relevant to the discussion at hand. Nor does what you just say explain or refute the claim of fine tuning. I also don’t get the blind faith narrative espoused by atheists. It almost seems like a straw man. But I won’t go that far since I don’t know you. But hey man if you don’t see any value in the argument that’s cool with me.

[@w4rsh1p]

@@joshuapizarro3231 If it's a strawman, explain the Bible's Hebrews 13 with it's quotes about how faith is what you hope for (wishful thinking) using "unseen evidence" to base your confidence on. Christianity is telling us right there that evidence isn't required, at least "seen" evidence, to believe something to the point of death or harm.

[@hoodleehoo]

QUESTION: Best critique I can think up is that the "ideal" level of scientific knowability is arbitrary. Argument requires an assumption that our current knowabilty is the ideal amount. What about all the things we can't know or test? (Eg., are there other dimensions and how do they work?) Imagine a universe where life is able to know/test a lot more than we can, and how they would view a universe like ours as limited. We can’t know what we can't know.

[@Magnus_Loov]

Science doesn't assume that we have an ideal level of "knowability". The scientific method is a method where you try to falsify a hypothesis by all means to make a better model of something. It is the opposite of being sure to know everything. If you assume something, ie a God, then you better have a way to falsify it, otherwise it is useless. You could just as well talk about ghosts or fairies.

[@mikelsikel73]

QUESTION(s)/COMMENT: first, I do appreciate Sean and Jay’s willingness to be open to questions. Here goes: I’m not sure the argument about eclipses enabling scientific discovery is a great one for design. One needs to have the implicit assumption that God wants humanity to discover science (and by extension: hypothesize to a designer). Let’s grant that. If so, why is it *just now* in ~2000 AD that relativity has been proved by watching stars during an eclipse? Einstein came up with relativity before the experiment - and so if there hadn’t been eclipses, then eventually relativity would have been demonstrated experimentally anyway (eg speed of light tests, time dilation on satellites, other astronomical observations, particle behaviour in accelerators, etc). So we don’t really *need* eclipses to be “just so” - just to show that scientific discovery was enabled by a Designer. If you’re still going to persist in that claim, I could just as easily invent other examples where more scientific discovery could have been enabled hundreds or thousands of years earlier (and by extension: saving many more souls by turning them to Christianity sooner, if science points the way to God). Examples: why not enable humans with microscopic seeing eye lenses that can see cells? Why not let us “hear” or see in radio frequencies? I could go on - and yes you can say that’s silly. But *if* you say my examples are silly, then I could probably level the same charge against the somewhat ad hoc “eclipses enabled relativity” argument - if used from an apologetics point of view.

[@SebastianOsborn]

I like how intellectually interesting your points are, but keep in mind that everything you just said is from the extremely dimly lit and foggy perspective humans have about God and everything that went into creating his creation. We are extremely limited in our understanding. I'll tell you this much: First, the sun and moon being about the same size is just too much of a coincidence for me. I think God did this for a reason, whatever that reason may be. Second, history is still being written, so the practicality of God's reasoning for doing this has probably yet to be discovered or put to use. We still have a lot of history and learning to do before God remakes the Earth into the New Earth for us to enjoy for all eternity.

[@mikelsikel73]

@@SebastianOsborn “seeing through a glass darkly,” as it were? (Paul to Corinthians)

[@SebastianOsborn]

@@mikelsikel73 Precisely. I'm curious, are you a believer?

[@phillip0537]

Something to consider: the example he gives of eclipses helping prove relativity is only a very recent example. My understanding is that one of the things that spurred the development of math in the ancient world in multiple cultures was astronomy and predicting things like eclipses.

[@mikelsikel73]

@@SebastianOsborn trying to be, but I probably wouldn’t define myself as an evangelical now (i would have once 100 percent - but now: I don’t hold to inerrancy, I strongly doubt there is a “hell” in the sense of eternal conscious torment and have no idea about heaven either really, I don’t think penal substitution is the best explanation of atonement… I’m fine if two gay people get married if their conscience is clear about it I’m not going to pretend to be God and say they shouldn’t as I would rather remain friends (and risk the hell that I don’t believe in)… you get the drift. Maybe I’m liberal - but I don’t like that label either)

[@jennifervert2601]

God is amazing!🙌

[@Magnus_Loov]

God is a human fantasy and the cause of lots of problems.

[@w4rsh1p]

at hiding

[@JamesMiddletonDesign]

The best starting point to come closer to an answer to whether or not God possibly exists is the simplest one: 'Why is there something, rather than nothing?'. This question used to annoy me. I thought it was too simplistic. However, I have changed my mind on this. I think it is a powerful thought to mull over.

[@w4rsh1p]

Why do people invent God concepts, rather than just being atheists?

[@justin10292000]

​@@w4rsh1pWhy do atheists put blind faith in the belief that a non-programmed-by-a-Mind, unguided-by-a-Mind accident (the brain according to logically-applied atheism) can be "trusted"? I don't have enough blind faith to be an atheist!

[@dozzlander9809]

​@@w4rsh1p How about considering simple idea that most of things people figure out are not invented but discovered. That the earth is round, that the sun is in the centre of the solar system, that x-rays can penetrate through flesh showing tissues, that glass spherically shaped can magnify, that objects placed on water in certain conditions can float and be used as modes of transportation, that God is not an invention. We're granted by him a gift of getting to know him. It's a gift of revelation that will come to you if you pray hard enough in sincerity and humility

[@adamruuth5562]

This is an argument from ignorance, James: "I don't know what created, therefore specifically Jesus was born in a barn". Is that anywhere close to what you are thinking?

[@JamesMiddletonDesign]

@@w4rsh1p Studies have shown that people are, by default, naturally curious about the supernatural. Atheism is not a natural state for humans.

[@mizmera]

I have a simple question. Have we seen the other arms, and how many have we seen? Most of the info that we receive is either the center of the galaxy or other galaxies or other stars in our arm.

[@djsarg7451]

There are other arms, one large and so smaller ones. But we are alone. We have studied 20 million stars, and not one can support life as they are ALL too unstable, we are alone. The Sun is the only stable star. Also of the 4,100 solar system studies, not one looks like our solar system, able to support life. The Milky Way Galaxy is the only stable barred spiral galaxy. In other galaxies, there is no place for a rocky planet without deadly radiation or orbit interference. Earth’s vast and stable magnetic field is unique, most planets the magnetic field is short-lived or unstable. Earth’s magnetic field protects life from deadly radiation. The list can go on and on (rotation rate, astrosphere, right carbon dioxide, low carbon monoxide, one large moon, very low eccentricity). We have looked and we are alone.

[@Traderbear]

QUESTION: Have you done any statistical analysis on the probability of all of these Goldilocks conditions for life on Earth?

[@SeanMcDowell]

Great, thanks!

[@djsarg7451]

No, But Hugh Ross has, that is is work. Check it out. We are alone.

[@Traderbear]

@@djsarg7451 I cannot thank you enough for turning me onto him. He’s amazing

[@roblangsdorf8758]

QUESTION: Dr Russell Humphreys has determined that the earth's magnetic field has a half life that means it is decaying away. How important is this field and what sorts of effects are likely to occur due to this decline? What does this decay rate tells us about how old the maximum age of the earth could be?

[@adamruuth5562]

Sounds like bad design, no?

[@roblangsdorf8758]

@adamruuth5562 Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. It was a great job if it had been designed to run forever, but to run down after the 1st couple decided to blow it.

[@adamruuth5562]

@@roblangsdorf8758 So basically you cannot look at the universe and say "bad/good design" because it could be designed for any reason? Isn't that a bit convenient?

[@dovonovich]

@@adamruuth5562 Your premise must be rejected; the design is indeed good--better than good, actually. It is perfect, albeit marred by sin and decay and corruption. It's not convenient--but evident. If you applied your implied sort of logic to the "other side" I think you'll find science does not agree.

[@adamruuth5562]

@@dovonovich Yeah, I reject your claims too. Because that is all they are. Did you have an argument? Mine is this:the world has an obviously bad design, like how I can improve EVERY part of the world in my imagination, then it could be better. And I bet I could get you to agree with me that my way is better. I can even improve on the bible, but all Christians stay away from that one for some reason. But Christians are stuck in the mind trap that whatever their god does is perfect. Shame

[@mizmera]

Just the known conditions are a huge number before life can be.

[@FirstNameLastName-rs6qo]

@SeanMcDowell Douglas Axe wrote a book called "Undeniable" that broadly talks about the correlation of nature's beauty and science.

[@denniscerletti2244]

I'm surprised Sean hasn't had on his interviews Dr Hugh Ross. He can explain that the earth is designed to the core! He has really put it all together from the big bang to life's window here on earth made perfect for the human species. All of the universe's precise size an mass was necessary to make all of the perfect balance of all the elements. It's why he has a website titled, "Reasons to believe", he better hurry up because he is now 79 years old. He rekindled my faith, immensely.

[@SeanMcDowell]

I’ve had him on, but it’s been awhile. Ross is amazing!

[@David-rx9vb]

How does his book compare with Improbable Planet?

[@djsarg7451]

Close to Improbable Planet: How Earth Became Humanity's Home By Dr.Hugh Ross explores Hugh Ross also has more: More Than a Theory: Revealing a Testable Model for Creation Designed To The Core Why the Universe Is the Way It Is and more

[@RosieJune]

Question - I will be helping lead our women's group as we use the video series and study guide for the updated Evidence That Demands a Verdict. Of course these people are not scientists or, in some cases, not even college graduates. Could you please give maybe the top five pieces of evidence for intelligent design - arguments that these women could use in a conversation to support intelligent design? Thank you!

[@blaster-zy7xx]

The arguments are all bad. I’ll sum them all up for you. The universe and life is complex Therfore it has to have come from my favorite flavor of magical deity.

[@djsarg7451]

There are lots: Human exceptionalism, Cambrian explosion, Testable Creation Model (Hugh Ross), the origin of the universe, the origin of first life, fine-tuning of the universe, the solar system and earth, Isaiah 52 and Isaiah 53 (Dead Sea Scrolls), Space-time Theorems (extra dimensions) and more. Intelligent design all points to the God of the Bible.

[@djsarg7451]

@@blaster-zy7xx There are lots: Human exceptionalism, Cambrian explosion, Testable Creation Model (Hugh Ross), the origin of the universe, the origin of first life, fine-tuning of the universe, the solar system and earth, Isaiah 52 and Isaiah 53 (Dead Sea Scrolls), Space-time Theorems (extra dimensions) and more. Intelligent design all points to the God of the Bible.

[@adventuresoflittlejohnny]

More gobbledegook from the gobbledegook masters!

[@nnotny]

Brilliant takedown of their position! Well though out! Thanks for your contribution.

[@adventuresoflittlejohnny]

@@nnotny it got all it deserved!

[@nnotny]

@user-jr2mk7mw5w He's done nothing to justify his position. He can't understand that he believes things for which there is no "proof". He's just presented a little bit of snark that he is too lazy to justify.

[@djsarg7451]

When someone replies with name-calling or insults, I know the person has not one idea about the topic at hand. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.

[@nnotny]

@@djsarg7451 Another sign is when they insult your intelligence and suggest that you couldn't possibly understand what they're saying.

[@jonkauffman9769]

Will this book be offered in Kindle?

[@SeanMcDowell]

Good question. Have you checked Amazon?

[@markrindt8730]

None of us can get high enough into space to see if our world is a ball.. so how do we know anything?

[@blaster-zy7xx]

How do you people even figure out how to breath? Are you around 12 years old?

[@shogiwar]

COMMENT/QUESTION: As I understand your argument it presupposes our current scientific models. For example you talk of the perfect eclipse being useful to science for providing evidence for Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. Suppose it turns out that the General theory or Relativity turns out to be false and a different model that does not require a perfect eclipse to establish it turns out to be true. How would that affect your argument, or is it irrelevant because science includes the process of providing false models (like Newton's model is replaced by Einsteins).

[@SeanMcDowell]

Love it, going to ask this one!

[@davidalexander141]

I really don't understand why supernova candles were given as an example of the predictability of Jay's hypothesis. Supernova candles have been used since the 1960s. Jay's hypothesis was first presented 40 years later - so not a prediction.

[@birdman7764]

Danny Jones just had Neils sandlak on and he had some very interesting things to say about my faith in Jesus Christ. could you do a break down on the podcast. Please. I'm just a layman but it sounded very compelling

[@AlanHitchner]

God is a combination of artist and engineer, God is The Master Artisan .

[@paulhowson8744]

FUN FACT : The big bang theory, was first used to refute the theory of evolution.

[@mattb4251]

Origin of the universe and evolution of living things aren't even closely related. Stop confusing cosmology with biology.

[@paulhowson8744]

@@mattb4251 THERE is no EVOLUTION Period. EVERYTHING was created of GOD. Stop confusing ( Myth theory ) WITH ( Creation fact )

[@Andrew-pp2ql]

I’m sorry that is not true. By big bang we are referencing the fact that the universe went from a very hot and dense state to a much cooler and sparse state being facilitated by the rapid expansion of space. It has nothing to do with how we account for the diversity of life on our planet thus nullifying its ability to refute TOE.

[@paulhowson8744]

@@Andrew-pp2ql I'm sorry. THAT'S FACT. Every so often you people change the meaning of words when facts are thrown your way. In FACT . . You ATHIESTS do it constantly.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

Wrong you b0ne head. Big bang is origins of the universe while evolution explains the changing of living populations. They are separated by billions of years.

[@dannycampisi1919]

QUESTION: Is it true that our solar system/galaxy is necessary for life on earth. I.E do we need all of the planets and our moon for life to exist on earth? If so Why would God require all of these planets to be present and not design the earth in a way that it was not necessary to have all of the other planets? Thank you very much for considering my question.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Great, will ask!

[@djsarg7451]

Yes, the gas giants protect us from large rocks from outer space. We have studied 20 million stars, and not one can support life as they are ALL too unstable, we are alone. The Sun is the only stable star. Also of the 4,100 solar system studies, not one looks like our solar system, able to support life. The Milky Way Galaxy is the only stable barred spiral galaxy. In other galaxies, there is no place for a rocky planet without deadly radiation or orbit interference. Earth’s vast and stable magnetic field is unique, most planets the magnetic field is short-lived or unstable. Earth’s magnetic field protects life from deadly radiation. The list can go on and on (rotation rate, astrosphere, right carbon dioxide, low carbon monoxide, one large moon, very low eccentricity). We have looked and we are alone.

[@gregorytoews8316]

There seems to be a weird catch 22 regarding atheism (and theism), and a material cosmology. If we take material cosmology to its logical end, it seems to suggest that atheism (and theism) can't arise in a purely material universe. It should also follow that a material brain isn't capable of recognizing that it's a material brain, by definition essentially.

[@russellmiles2861]

This mornings entertainment Thank you, Sean

[@frothydv]

COMMENT: is this assuming life that has sensory organs which view light in the same spectrum as we do? Would the argument be impacted by a species that had a much different range of EM wave 'sight'?

[@midimusicforever]

God created it all!

[@stevepierce6467]

No, a great blue Unicorn created it all!

[@Magnus_Loov]

So he created himself then?

[@davidwalker5054]

We are really overestimating our own importance. in the grand scale of the cosmos. We are fleeting insignificant temporary guests on a insignificant little planet that has existed for a cosmic blink of an eye and be extinct in another cosmic blink. The universe will carry on for billions of years after we are gone just like it existed for billions of years before we evolved

[@robertmcclintock8701]

(^^; This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow it's the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.

[@Brian.001]

OK, why don't we put this argument in a proper perspective? In the observable universe there are approximately 10^22 stars, most of them having planets orbiting them. That's a lot of zeros. If life on Earth had a one-in-a-billion chance of occurring, that leaves us with around 10^13 planets with a similarly 'privileged' status. The implication would then have to be that each of those planets is evidence for design too. It just doesn't even get off the ground.

[@badgerlandsteve5114]

Thank you for writing your book, "The Privileged Planet". I find your fine-tuning arguments compelling. However, I have a slightly different part of the origin story I would like you to comment on. The Big Bang theory posits that before the universe there was nothing and then the Big Bang happened. Physicist Lawrence Krauss posits that while the universe may have originated from "nothing", he argues that the universe could have arisen from a deeper nothingness. This position seems illogical to me and I would really like to hear your thoughts on it because I interact with people who like his ideas. Thanks.

[@adamruuth5562]

We should set up a debate between this Jay guy and a real scientist!

[@djsarg7451]

You can not get something from nothing, so this is a logical error. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.

[@leopard3131]

The fact that something can not come from nothing makes an argument for an infinite universe as proposed by Penrose. According to Wikipedia: "Conformal cyclic cosmology (CCC) is a cosmological model in the framework of general relativity and proposed by theoretical physicist Roger Penrose.[1][2][3] In CCC, the universe iterates through infinite cycles, with the future timelike infinity (i.e. the latest end of any possible timescale evaluated for any point in space) of each previous iteration being identified with the Big Bang singularity of the next.[4] Penrose popularized this theory in his 2010 book Cycles of Time: An Extraordinary New View of the Universe." If you want to make the argument that the universe was created you have to first show: 1. That the universe had a beginning. 2. That it makes any sense to even propose anything came before the beginning. For example: A. A ray has a beginning and is infinite , but it makes no sense to ask what came before the starting point. B. It makes no sense to claim a line, a plane, a circle, or a sphere have either a beginning or an ending. C. Pi starts with 3. 3.1416... Again it makes no sense to ask what came before the leading 3. 3. That the universe was created vs arose spontaneously the way quantum particles arise from nothing spontaneously. 4. Who is this creator ? Which ancient text is true? For example in the Greek mythos: "According to Hesiod’s “Theogony,” the world was born from Chaos, the void. From Chaos emerged Erebus (Darkness) and Nyx (Night), who then gave birth to Aether (the upper air) and Hemera (Day). These four primordial deities were the first official deities born from Chaos." Obviously space does not allow me to post the hundreds of creation myths from the hundreds of ancient text and religions. The point is there are many competing hypothesis. Penrose proposal is a theory as there is evidence to support it. The Greeks believed everything arose from Chaos, whatever that is.

[@Magnus_Loov]

Except that there is not even a concept of nothing to begin with when the universe with all its dimensions, including time and cause and effect does not exist until the big bang. There was a quantum soup with fluctuations happening. Time didn't exist. Then somehow it all came to be due to the fluctuations of it. There was a potential but not a "something" as materia and time didn't exist. We as humans can't conceptualize this. it still doesn't mean that it is untrue just because it can't be intuitively visualized.

[@adamruuth5562]

I would just like to point out that Design is almost totally dismissed from all serious science in the top universities. This is a point of reference to all you Christians that might think this is mainstream. It's fringe. No offence meant. And if you don't believe me, I urge you to check out the scientific consensus in the relevant fields.

[@russellmiles2861]

Oh please don't let evidence get in the way of a good tale. This guy is funny. Although perhaps grow his hair out a bit if he is going to be convincing as the weird scientists nerd. But he has got it close

[@blaaaksheephomestead]

No offense taken. We believe you, and we know ID is mostly dismissed. Dismissing anything a priori hardly seems intellectually honest though. 🕊️ EDIT: apologies to the comment section - my autocorrect on the mobile changed "outright" to "a priori" somehow. Ooopsie 🙃

[@russellmiles2861]

@@blaaaksheephomestead valid point. Polite to wait to after

[@adamruuth5562]

@@blaaaksheephomestead Characterizing scientific consensus, astronomy and biology as "a priori" is not honest at all. Would you agree?

[@blaaaksheephomestead]

​@@adamruuth5562no, that's not what I said. Pretty sure you know that.

[@emmetpeppers7432]

COMMENT: any thoughts on the Simulation Theory where we are part of a line of simulations? For example, not only are we in a simulation but those simulators who created our Simulation is also part of a higher level simulation, etc. and we are on the precipice of creating our own Simulation next with the help of this AI tech, etc.(e.g. thinking how advanced video games have gotten already) and then existence is just simulations all the way down (instead of turtles).

[@Magnus_Loov]

The upper levels of simulations must start somehow in the upper most level of the real universe, if that is true. You just postpone it to how that real universe was created.

[@djsarg7451]

This game, not logic, not scientific evidence, Si-Fi. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.

[@Night_Crew_Artist]

How does he know the one-way speed of light?

[@djsarg7451]

This is a YEC talking point and it is silly. The speed of light has not changed it 186,000 miles per second. The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second, this has been measured a number of ways. Radio waves travel at the same speed. An easy way to measure the speed of light is to turn on a laser and point it at a mirror, have the mirror return the light to the point of origin. At that point have a photo receiver that feeds an oscilloscope. On the oscilloscope one input be the laser on signal, on the oscilloscope’s other input the photo receiver. As you move the mirror closer you can see the time be reduced. Move the mirror far away and the time increases. NASA does this with a mirror on the moon. The moon is slowly moving away over time. As astronomers look into space they see stars. The light from close stars travels less time than for far-away stars. Astronomers can only look at the past, as light takes time to travel. Astronomers can see back in time about 13.5 Billion years. As astronomers look back in time galaxies are closer together as the universe was smaller then, as the universe is expanding. All Christians should be happy that astronomers and cosmologists have put a date on what the Bible has stated for thousands of years that the universe was created out of nothing 13.813 (±0.038) billion years ago. This should not be a shock as the Bible tells us the Earth is old: Deut 33:15, Habakkuk 3:6, Hebrews 4:10 and Gen 2:4. The speed of light has not changed, Jeremiah 33 tells us physical laws do not change. Astronomers have proven Jeremiah 33 correct, as we look back in time (more distant stars) they behave the same as close stars. The Bible got it all correct ! Earth is 4.543 billion years old.

[@Night_Crew_Artist]

@djsarg7451 there is no way to measure the speed of light in one direction. If the universe is billions of years old, and we go by that model, then thorns, suffering and death would all predate the fall of Adam and Eve. Jesus quoted the Genesis creation account as if it were fact. That would mean Jesus lied. Why would a Christian celebrate that?

[@djsarg7451]

@@Night_Crew_Artist No this YEC talking point. and it rejects the Bible, as mose YEC do: Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

[@Night_Crew_Artist]

@djsarg7451 those versus do nothing to support your argument.

[@Night_Crew_Artist]

@djsarg7451 it does not reject the Bible. YEC is clearly supported by the Genesis creation account. Jesus quoted the Genesis creation account as if it were fact. This should be enough to show you that YEC is the correct model.

[@rizdekd3912]

So the natural world was designed...dozens of fine tuned parameters with all parts of it working like clockwork....yet when it comes to life arising naturally, it suddenly becomes a random chaotic muddle of disorganization that couldn't self organize into life.

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

I'm not gonna have faith in the assertion that this is staggering scientific evidence.I'm just going to wait patiently for this staggering scientific evidence to win the person asserting it their nobel peace prize.

[@djsarg7451]

Pray you do not die first and loss it all. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.

[@johnlaudenslager706]

There was a time when people with telescopes verified that mars had canals. Then telescopes got better. We don't understand the universe, or how life became.

[@Magnus_Loov]

We get a better and better picture about both how life and the universe came to be. The bible and creation myths doesn't evolve at all and have been proven wrong time after time in history by science!

[@djsarg7451]

So why do you not trust it? Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.

[@coachbrucelee2211]

That is a news to me. 😂😂😂😊

[@erehwhon]

5,600 exoplanets and counting, not 1000. Not that it matters as no reason not to expect that there are billions of planets in the Universe.

[@adamruuth5562]

The best science agrees with you. Good comment.

[@russellmiles2861]

It's a Universe. So there are trillions and trillions of planets.

[@erehwhon]

@@russellmiles2861 My mistake, I was quoting figures from NASA which, I accept, is an unreliable source for such information.

[@russellmiles2861]

@@erehwhon nah; they are the numbers for our galaxy; not the Universe.

[@erehwhon]

@@russellmiles2861 Yes, I know that the 5 600 discovered exoplanets are in our Galaxy. The estimates for the number of GALEXIES in the UNIVERSE range from 100 - 200 Billion.

[@joeosp1689]

Another teaching book for intelligent design is a stage play, Axis of Beginning.

[@luisdasilva3879]

It is more than obvious that our planet is privileged and special to God, without a doubt.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

I doubt it.

[@biblicaltheologyexegesisan9024]

The case for FE is stronger

[@MrYikesSkeletons]

Tighter and tighter circles of cemetry, there is a pattern to continue. Fortunately we are too small to upset the pattern, but once we do, things will start to drift, and horrific things will hapen when these bodies are in the wrong places. Perhaps even God is worried about this, since we have the book of Revelation telling us to repent.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

( ´ﾟдﾟ｀)ｴｰ Artifacts of a swastika is flobby with stazzle and a jumble that tumbled. That is a skeleton, human heart, signature, internal combustion engine, animation of the big bang and a wave. That unify the universe you can't do with math. A swastika is the simplest rendering possible for those artifacts and needs to be saved from the nazis. (^_^;)))

[@gracelan06]

I just would like to ask a question for my believing friend. She asked why God should bother about us. Earth is just such a small planet.

[@MrSeedi76]

You gotta consider how many stars needed to burn up and explode to create all the matter to form the earth. It's not "small". And so far we haven't discovered life anywhere else and I doubt we ever will.

[@roblangsdorf8758]

The first 2 chapters of Genesis spells out that God designed the earth first. Then, on the 4th day, God created everything else. So, the earth is designed as a special place.

[@adamruuth5562]

If a god was invented on Venus, then Venus would be the special place.

[@russellmiles2861]

@@roblangsdorf8758well, Genesis 1 says six days, and Genesis 2 says one day; regardless, they are presumably analogical for a heck of a long time.

[@roblangsdorf8758]

@@adamruuth5562 But since God was not invented, we are left to observe the world that he invented.

[@mattb4251]

The fact that the moon is just the right distance to "perfectly" eclipse the sun is pure coincidence as the moon has been closer in the past and is moving away. nothing special about that other than it looks nice.

[@djsarg7451]

It means we are alone, you need a large noon to have life. No other plants have a large noon, please do more study. Coupled planet-moon - Magnetosphere habitable zone: the zone that planet's moon and the planet's core produce a strong magnetosphere, magnetic field to protect against the solar wind stripping away the planet's atmosphere and water into outer space. Just as Mars had a magnetic field for a short time. Earth's Moon had a large magnetosphere for several hundred million years after its formation, as proposed in a 2020 study by Saied Mighani. The Moon's magnetosphere would have given added protection of Earth's atmosphere as the early Sun was not as stable as it today. In 2020, James Green modeled the coupled planet-moon-magnetosphere habitable zone. The modeling showed a coupled planet-moon magnetosphere that would give planet the protection from stellar wind in the early Solar System. In the case of Earth, the Moon was closer to Earth in the early formation of the solar system, giving added protection. This protection was needed then as the Sun was less stab

[@greginfla_1]

galaxies 32:55

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

Maybe there is evidence of design, but even if there is we have no evidence that such a designer has ever contacted us or cares about us and it's certainly NOT the God of the Bible. Perhaps it is Vishnu?

[@Greenie-43x]

Vishnu isn't commonly credited for creating the universe in Hinduism, from my understanding. Is there a specific claim from the Bible about God that discredits Him from your consideration? Or is the Bible's credibility the main issue?

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

@@Greenie-43x I should have said Brahma, however he is one of a trinity of supreme dieties that incude Vishnu and Shiva. Long before Christians tried to unify the contractory views of Jesus' deity Hinduism had the idea of many Gods reflecting divineness. Yes, the specific claims of Genesis and the creation, which are easily refuted, make the God of Genesis as mythical as the stories it tells. I don't think I need to go into details abut the many way the Genesis myths directly contradicts what we know about the creation of the world etc. My points was, you only think of the Biblical God because that is the culture in which you were born.

[@Greenie-43x]

@StudentDad-mc3pu it seems we would have to discount all the converts from other religions to accommodate your point. The point is based off commonalities but it's not really a strong argument once examined. The biblical objections were typical but not articulated so I'm not sure which parts of Creation or Genesis are difficult to understand for you. Thanks for the reply though👋 I'm always interested to see if atheists have come up with new arguments. This obviously wasn't one.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

@@Greenie-43x I don't need to make an argument - it is Genesis making the claim here, an by extension Christians making the claim that Genesis is a true ccount. If this is the case, show some evidence. There is none. At the same time, there is abundant counter evidence. The order of some events in Genesis is impossible for instance. The way life and species came about is not how Genesis describes. You can try to defend the Genesis account, but this is like trying to bale out a sinking ship witih a teaspoon. The only conclusion to make therefore is that the God portrayed in Genesis (a God who is plural and part of a pantheon of Gods as revealed in the Old Testament) is not the creator of the universe, but a Myth. My view that you only believe it's the God of the Bible because that's the culture you were brought up is not affected by converts from other cultures. It's why YOU believe it.

[@Greenie-43x]

@StudentDad-mc3pu how did "life come about"? You made the claim that the Bible's description is not how life came about. So how did it?

[@marklechman2225]

Obviously. This stuff didn’t just happen by accident.

[@adamruuth5562]

Therefore god?

[@horridhenry9920]

Sean, this is just another example

[@robertmcclintock8701]

( -｀Д´-;A) The human body is burly, gnarly and surly like a fractal.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

(((^_^;) Consciousness is the particle and wave double slit experiment. The cones and rods of your eyes preserve the particle and wave duality so your vision don't look like a flat screen television. It's supposed to be a violation of physics but it is the only exception in the whole universe.

[@masbro1368]

I want to ask. My questions... 1. The reality that we can see right now is that in this universe there are trillions of trillions of planets and galaxies. If there are countless trillions of trillions of planets... maybe not only planet Earth has living creatures inhabiting it...? For example, if there are a trillion other planets that have living creatures like Earth and its inhabitants are various types of non-human creatures, would Jesus also be God on those one trillion inhabited planets...? 2. The real facts that we can know right now... the earth is approximately 10 million km, the sun is 1.3 million times as big as the earth, and there is a star called U Scuty that is tens of billions of times as big as the sun . If the celestial bodies were super massive in size like that, the number in the trillions would be uncountable. How big do you think God the Creator is, bro...? Maybe God is only as big as the man Jesus...? 3. According to scientists, the universe is more than 13 billion years old, whereas according to historians, Adam and Eve only existed about 7 thousand years ago. Based on this science... maybe the universe has been empty without any living creatures inhabiting it for more than 13 billion years...? So what was Jesus doing for 13 billion years before there were humans, Adam and Eve...? Please answer me!!!!?!!!

[@radscorpion8]

Sean "the dowell" McDowell do you really think these one-sided interviews are convincing anyone except those who already believe? This is nothing more than god of the gaps reasoning

[@adamruuth5562]

To be fair, who else wants to interview these people? It's all they've got!

[@djsarg7451]

There is no more gag, this was a thing of the past. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.

[@gamergeek8933]

I just finished the signature in the cell by Steven Meyer and ID is pretty strong.

[@wemf2]

COMMENT How would you respond to Dawkin's point that even as the conditions for life on earth seems exceedingly unlikely, the vastness of the universe means that it's not impossible for the Goldilocks conditions to occur by chance?

[@erehwhon]

My first comment would be that we have no idea how life began on Earth. It remains a scientific mystery. People think that Evolution explains life but it doesn't. Evolution can only start running once life exists. Dawkins admits this. He only argues for Evolution not for the Origin of Life. 2) With enough time obviously far more things might be possible through chance. For the origin of life on Earth we have a time problem as complex life appeared almost immediately (there wasn't billions of years for gradual evolution of anything!). 2) A better argument would be that given the vastness of the Universe, the 100+ billion galaxies and billions of planets it is not a crazy idea that life might have begun elsewhere as many planets with "Goldilock's conditions" might exist. But, for now, we only know of life on this one planet Earth and we have no idea how IT started. This is a big enough scientific mystery to explore without wasting time on hypotheticals about the origin of the Universe. As we learn more about the cell we don't find it getting simpler but exponentially more complex. An intriguing, and somewhat mind-blowing, discovery.

[@adamruuth5562]

@@erehwhon "People think that Evolution explains life but it doesn't. " Yeah, because this is explained (not fully, yet) bu abiogenesis, not evolution. Evolution is what happens when we already have life, as you said. "Dawkins admits this." I'm curious why you used the word "admits" here, as if this is not established science. Or that it is something to hide. " For the origin of life on Earth we have a time problem as complex life appeared almost immediately (there wasn't billions of years for gradual evolution of anything!)" How long do you think this process took?

[@erehwhon]

@@adamruuth5562 The current scientific theories of abiogenesis do not have any explanatory power - we really still don't know how we got from mere laws of chemistry to complex, self-replicating cells with a complex code within them. I said "Admits this" as I am so tired of people (including Christians) mistakenly believing that the claim is that evolution explains origin of life and that Dawkins somehow says so. Don't read too much into my use of "admit". As to how long would be needed - we have no idea as we have no idea what actually happened and by what mechanisms. What we do know is that within 500k years of the origin of the Earth we had complex life, which is an eye-blink.

[@adamruuth5562]

@@erehwhon "What we do know is that within 500k years of the origin of the Earth we had complex life, which is an eye-blink." Gotta be careful around Christians. What you said could easily be interpreted as quite a bit less than HALF A MILLION YEARS. Like... in a few days.

[@SeanMcDowell]

On it!

[@EviesAnnee]

QUESTION: Scripture doesn't discuss other planets or the solar system except in reference to the birth of Jesus or "the u iverse". So why wouldn't it be reasonable to speculate that God created other similar systems? There is only one God who created this system, but could it be possible that there are gods who created their own systems? Keeping in mind I know little about astronomical science.

[@djsarg7451]

If there were lots of other "Suns" or lots of other solar systems that look like ours, I would says, "God Loves to create, so why not have other places for life". But I can not say this as it is not true.: We have studied 20 million stars, and not one can support life as they are ALL too unstable, we are alone. The Sun is the only stable star. Also of the 4,100 solar system studies, not one looks like our solar system. The Milky Way Galaxy is the only stable barred spiral galaxy. In other galaxies, there is no place for a rocky planet without deadly radiation or orbit interference. Earth’s vast and stable magnetic field is unique, most planets the magnetic field is short-lived or unstable. Earth’s magnetic field protects life from deadly radiation. The list can go on and on (rotation rate, astrosphere, right carbon dioxide, low carbon monoxide, one large moon, very low eccentricity). We have looked and we are alone.

[@MikeyJay00]

If God designed the universe for us, why so big, why is most of it empty space and uninhabitable? Why did it take the universe over 13 billion years to create humans? Not very fine-tuned, eh?

[@jamesthemuchless]

I would dispute the common argument from intelligent design guys that the universe is designed exclusively for human flourishing. There is no compelling theological reason to think a priori that the universe is devoid of life, save for that on earth. There's no reason to think that the entire thing is uninhabitable. But regarding both the size and the timescale, I fail to see how this is an effective objection. Given limitless resources and limitless time on God's part, why should we demand that he adhere to an arbitrary notion of efficiency? On the view espoused by Richards and others, this universe is not solely a human-building engine, but also a work of art. A layperson criticizing the use of negative space in artwork because it is 'too big' or uses 'too much paint' would surely not be taken seriously by art critics.

[@Cookson66]

It was designed “too big” to be able to declare Gods glory, surely if it was designed “too small” you’d then ask “ what type of small God is this?”. The heavens declare Gods work. 13 billion years seems forever to us but is nothing to an eternal God.

[@Cookson66]

We still don’t know what dark matter is, not even close. How can we be sure it’s empty space thats good for nothing? God is a God of order and laws, it wasn’t just some magic, things came about into existence through natural laws.

[@w4rsh1p]

The puddle loves its hole

[@SeanMcDowell]

This is a good, common objection. Thanks, we'll discuss it!

[@Lightbearer616]

Well Stagger this: I didn't watch this but I know he didn't respond to (couldn't) answer my observations of actual reality i.e. the universe was neither designed or fine tuned, they are both theistic mindless absurdity that don't stand up to scrutiny. DNA is not too complex to form and run itself. Of course, the pointlessness of this whole argument is mind numbingly obvious: Even if you could prove a god was required (which you can't and never will) you will still never be able to prove it's your god which (based on your scriptures) it wouldn't be. So you remain in a state of zero proof of your god. So why argue? Although I obviously could write a book on this as some theist flim flam men have to earn a living on deception: 1. Let's start with: There is a string of unproved origin of the universe theories which simply denies any ability to claim, "The universe had a beginning". Undeniable fact. 2. We don't know enough about the universe to claim that the cosmological constants giving rise to this universe could occur any other way making the universe inevitable as it is i.e. claiming the probability is 1:10^77 is just unsustainable rubbish. We don't even know what all the constants involved are. Undeniable fact. Feel free to prove the constants could be different. 3. If the universe has a beginning and end then it is most likely it recycles and, given there is no time before a universe (technically eternal) then there is nothing to say we are not living in the INEVITABLE version universe 10^77. Undeniable without actual proof against. 4. The Big Bang would be "The god creation". The cosmological constants required for life were not made at creation. undeniable fact. 5. Quantum mechanics has proved the the requirement "Everything that has a beginning must have a cause" is false. Even leading theistic debaters now admit that. You might like to also consider: A universal law CANNOT apply before a universe, it doesn't exist until there is a universe. 6. There is absolutely no proof there ever was "nothing" or that "nothing" is possible. You cannot prove "a universe from nothing" e.g. our universe as it is now is 50/50 +ve and -ve energy which is "nothing". You are living, now, in nothing. And, of course note: only mass gives rise to "something", energy without mass is "nothing" and can therefore exist outside of spacetime. Based on those 6 simple and mind numbingly obvious facts (which cannot be proved false at out current level of knowledge) you ability to claim intelligent design or fine tuning is necessary is over. 5. A god is omnipotent. It can make an infinite number of universes with an infinite number of constants and place life on any or all. That mind numbingly obvious fact puts an immediate end to "fine tuning for life" as a god has no need to "fine tune" and it would therefore not even cross its mind. 6. Given a god could create and infinite number of universes with an infinite number of constants that god would not "design" anything. Gods do not design a universe specifically for something when it is not restricted from doing anything anywhere any time. 7. Your "needs to fine tune the universe to support life". The mind numbingly obvious failure of that argument is: It's a rule god must make, it only applies to the god making it and it can break whenever it wants (can put life on any universe it wants). Gods don't make rules for themselves they can break at random. 8. Simply put: Our galaxy self created about 3.8 billion years after the universe, our solar system and planet about 8 billion years after the universe, life about 9.8 billion years after the universe and man 13.8 billion years after the universe. A god does not "fine tune" a universe for life it may or may not create for the next 13.8 billion years especially when it has the ability to put life wherever it wants whenever it wants i.e. if any "fine tuning" was required man would be fine tuned for the universe. So, good bye your claim of "intelligent design." Of course feel free to offer your proof I am wrong. 9. Again in the briefest terms: There is now a sustainable theory for abiogenesis (Anyone who thinks they can claim 100 years is enough time to prove what took a god 13.8 billion years to create, you're a deceptive lying moron.) And the truth will always remain, as abiogenesis is the only sustainable theory the world has for life, it can be assumed, given life exists, it happened. 10. Theistic view: "DNA is so complex the chances of it self occurring is 1: 10^59 against". Well, no it's not. (Ignoring John Noble's and others claims DNA doesn't hold the "program for life") let's look at reality: If I took Copernicus, Galileo, Archimedes and Newton on an automated Airbus A380 flight, they would return saying "Man will never be able to do this, it's proof of god". I could prove them wrong to an extent they would realise it was not a god. Life would start as self replicating chemicals (we're close to proving that possible). It would take perhaps tens of millions of years to reach the inevitable first gene. That gene would include it's own instruction for use, so would the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth......... the 6 billionth i.e. because it is evolution, the DNA would never reach a stage of it being too complex to operate itself (bye, bye 1:10^59). Either theists are too dumb to realise that or they are lying and deceiving fellow theists. What theists present to their fellow theist (who they treat as being totally dumb and gullible) is the concept the Wright brothers couldn't invent the plane because they couldn't build a plane from 50,000 years from now or that you couldn't teach a 5 year old 2+2=4 unless they understood doctorate level mathematics. Totally absurd, ridiculous and puerile (the same as their DNA claims). What is amusing is that human DNA is up to 95% junk (note: no one, at this point, has offered sustainable proof that's false, don't be fooled) so the theistic odds are unsustainable rubbish anyway. When you build an Airbus A380, almost every plane plan, back to the Wright brothers is junk to the A380 because, like human DNA it's been replaced with newer and better plans even though we keep the originals. So, no, nothing you heard in the video is sustainable truth. Intelligent Design and Fine Tuning are two of theism's most stupidly unsustainable concepts in the history of theism. (It's a pity they claim it's their best argument): Prove me wrong.

[@JadDragon]

All evidence points to God being real and Christianity being true. Even evolution is proof of Yahweh. Jesus lives! ♥️ and is Yahweh God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

[@philipcollins218]

Ps. What’s wrong with jays face - Botox - bad plastic surgery or the dentures don’t fit.

[@stephenkeogh3287]

Something can’t come from nothing, so it must have come from God, who came from nothing. Brilliant! 😂

[@djsarg7451]

You need to study Space-time Theorems and extra dimensions. Your logic is not correct. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.

[@ehenningsen]

Santa is real

[@djsarg7451]

When someone replies with name-calling or insults, I know the person has not one idea about the topic at hand. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.

[@ehenningsen]

@@djsarg7451 enki created the universe

[@robertmcclintock8701]

(　ﾟ 3ﾟ) It's intelligently designed that if you master evolution it just makes you a baby doctor.

[@MatthewTwentyFiveGoldenRule]

I'm Jesus

[@adamruuth5562]

I'm an eyewitness to him being Jesus.

[@djsarg7451]

When someone replies with name-calling or insults, I know the person has not one idea about the topic at hand.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

┐('～`;)┌ We need to popularize the idea of getting God married. Getting God married is a good use of someone's time. You are supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God is needed. We fixed the video and audio for the best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D that not a gimmick. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.

[@djsarg7451]

Sorry, he already is. It is called the Church, the Bride of Christ, the Boby of Christ. Those who have received God's Love and forgiveness found in Jesus.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

(　´Α｀) Natural selection is the character flaw in evil that is integrity is more important than life otherwise evolution is tragic circumstances with nothing intelligent happening. Almost everyone survive until they reproduce. Nothing is getting selected except for the character flaw in evil. I found a replacement for the character flaw in evil that I liked but God makes me forget things that will cause me trouble.

[@Roy-mw5js]

I asked god, he didn't answer

[@djsarg7451]

You need to read the Book: "but test them all; hold on to what is good," 1 Thessalonians 5:21. Read Isaiah 9:6, read Isaiah 52 and Isaiah 53. This was written 700 BC (see Dead Sea Scrolls). Tell me who is these written about?

[@robertmcclintock8701]

(・・;) The universe was created in 1976. It is too hot to make a universe at the time of the big bang. It can be created at anytime. God is slow and easy. A human can do a lot with their lifespan. I got the hunk. God got the chunk. Everyone else can have the rest. That is song spirit of ''76 by The Alarm.

[@peterkiedron8949]

Nonsense. There is no argument.

[@djsarg7451]

You can not get something from nothing, so this is a logical error. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.

[@michaelkohn883]

65 other moons not like ours - therefore God… these are not good arguments.

[@Papa-dopoulos]

You’re right. That’s not what he is saying, but you are right lol.

[@michaelkohn883]

@@Papa-dopoulos It made me not want to watch the rest… and I didn’t…

[@stewartparker1872]

@@michaelkohn883I thought you had an open mind. You don’t like the start of his argument and didn’t even listen to the rest?

[@Papa-dopoulos]

@@michaelkohn883 This "it" you're describing doesn't exist. Even the first part that turned you off you are grossly misrepresenting because you are predisposed not to accept this argument. That's my point.

[@michaelkohn883]

@@Papa-dopoulos What about the coincidence that the moon covers the sun almost perfectly is a good argument for God? And what about that makes me predisposed? It’s just a silly argument. There are much better ones - such as the ones Myers makes in terms of “what was the first cause?”

[@aliubadutt9820]

God(Allah) who is the creator of the heavens and the earth and everything in between says in the Holy Quran - “They say, "Allah has taken (to Himself) a son." Limitless is He in His Glory! Nay, whatever is in the heavens and the earth belongs to Him - all are subject to His Will. To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth! When He decrees a matter, He simply says to it, “Be!” And it becomes.” Quran 2:116-117)

[@Johnny_Eh-theist]

Oh man.....that 400x and 400x nonsense. A. The Earth has an elliptical orbit around the sun......there's a range of distance from 91.4 million miles (147.1 million km) away from us. At its farthest, the Sun is 94.5 million miles (152.1 million km) away....5 million km range.....the distance of the moon to the earth is 360000-405000 km which at best is 375.56x farther away.....guess what that's not 400.....that's 6% off.....at best.....that's HUGE! More lying creationists that can't math

[@alschneider5420]

​ @djsarg7451 You ask, "Where did the universe come from and why is it the way it is?" You didn't respond when I tell you that the big bang did not happen. You just ask a different question. Typical christian. Then you throw a question on top of that. OK, here is an answer. The universe did not come from anywhere, it always was. The material of the universe consists of a material called lectozubgonpadto. There is an infinite amount of this stuff available. For a mind as sophisticated as yours, that is a lot. Anyway the closest present science comes to this stuff is quantum foam. The trick is that lectozubgonpadto emerges very rapidly. And also there is a lot of it. So one end (if you can think of it that way) does not know what the other end is doing. Actually, there are an infinite number of ends. Anyway, one of these ends appears to be like man. That's where we came from. The other ends make some other kind of creature. Now lectozubgonpadto has no mind but it is aware. It obeys three laws, it can sense others. It cannot sense itself. The only way it can sense itself is when others sense it. The point is that it manifests itself in many ways. Some simply cease to exist. But some manage to exist for awhile. Time is one of the manifestations. Space is another. By the way, one of these manifestations is god. Since one of the rules is It cannot sense itself, the god thing thing disappears instantly because lectozubgonpadto can't see itself and all other lectozubgonpadto ignore it. If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to ask.

[@lydiafomuso7168]

Is it some kind of joke to say communist centigrade system? 😮

[@MrMonikura]

Big bang theory is only man's word vs God's Word 7-day creation, both explaining the vastness of space multi-universe. If you believe man's word, then you are tricked for interpreting distances of stars and universe as measurement of time. For such distances using light years as measurements mind blowing impossible never-ending numbers. In contrast the Bible states: God created Heavens (meaning stary host, everything surrounding Earth) in accordance with God's 7-day cycle of Creation. Here my point: let say we have a 100-meter football field, and every 10 meter we light up a candle stick indicating distance and time determine its age. We're using remote toy car symbolising speed of light, calculating our distance and time from every candle stick point on the football field. Obviously the further away you go to that candle, the greater distance and time is calculated. If you see from God's eyes: He created that football field one day. Just like the heavens above from one star to another, one universe to another, one galaxy to another all created in within the 7 days… these distances reveal our limitation and proves the Bible description God’s Wonderous Power and Glory in Creation.

[@djsarg7451]

No it is NOT: Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@MrMonikura]

@@djsarg7451 Disbelief you are contridicting yourself, and obviously under estimating the power of God Glory in creation..." morning and evening first day"...

[@djsarg7451]

@@MrMonikura There no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. . Hebrews 4:9-10 Tells you why. YEC to not trus the Bible or God's Creation. It is like Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 are not in the YEC Bible. It is like Hebrews 4:9-10 is not in the YEC Bible. It is like Gen. 2:4 is not in the YEC Bible. YEC love YEC leader and they YEC website, not the Word of God. It is like this are not in YEC Bible. Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

[@MrMonikura]

@djsarg7451 7 day week is clear as daylight as it was then so is it now... your entitled to your thoughts, but not misinterpreting God Word.

[@MrMonikura]

KJV. your deceiving yourself... 7th day God rested and blessed the Seventh-day... as memorial of his Creation. You don't deceive me!

[@w4rsh1p]

Staggering...Special Pleading. The universe had to be designed by an undesigned designer that weren't our ancestors, therefore I'm God.

[@dovonovich]

It's the best explanation we have. Do you have a better idea? Have you also considered the case for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth? If Jesus is God--nothing is out of the question. Special pleading... have you applied that line of thinking to other arguments?

[@leoborganelli]

I see you believe in fairy tales huh? Why would anyone think this way other than just he/she doesn't understand science....

[@blaster-zy7xx]

There are less and less arguments for intelligent design every day.

[@josephbaker5810]

Ha!

[@PaulRezaei]

Many materialists will say that our universe is hostile towards life and at the same time expect our universe to be teeming with life 😂

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Well he's gotta advertise his book somehow. 😂

[@shahidmiah917]

The size of the universe compared to earth is a common question by Atheists. The Quran confirms the universe is just one part of 7 heavens that he created. It’s huge but still nothing compared to God. Human beings however, was his greatest creation due to freewill and intelligence. The Quran even describes the Big Bang process perfectly.

[@SebastianOsborn]

Being able to describe The Big Bang in the Quran is not even close to bring enough to prove anything. The Big Bang is a man-made construct that has huge flaws, just like Islam. And how does your worldview hold up in every aspect (not just a theoretical origin to the universe)? Christianity has a perfect explanation for literally almost any topic, and combined is practically undeniable. Yet I've seen several issues with Islam. I urge you to reconsider what your religion says about Jesus.

[@hwd71]

The Hadiths say that there are 7 Earth's below us, and a 500 year journey between each one, Which all sit on the back of a whale. Christian Prince is my source as he showed the sahih hadith on this.

[@stewartparker1872]

Go watch David Wood videos dismantle Islam. It’s a ridiculous religion with a terrible fake prophet.

[@adamruuth5562]

I think you and I have a VERY different definition of "describes perfectly". Because no holy book does that very well.

[@adamruuth5562]

@@stewartparker1872 Do you know that David Wood is seen as one of the most bottom of the barrel apologists by non-Christians? It's because he sees the problems in Islam, but he does not understand how very similar arguments could be used to dismantle the bible. He simply does not understand

[@charlesselix203]

READ THIS WHOLE THING: PRAY FOR ISRAEL. PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM. The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the Gospel. Mark 1:15 THE LORD JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR YOUR SINS AND ROSE AGAIN FROM THE DEAD. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE YOUR PLACE IN HIS HOUSEHOLD? THEN PLEASE REPENT OF ALL YOUR SINS TODAY, AND GIVE ALL YOUR LIFE TO HIM, WHOSOEVER READS THIS MESSAGE. THE LORD IS GOOD, AND NOBODY IS OUT OF THE CANDIDACY FOR BECOMING A CHRISTIAN. THE TIME HAS COME TO REPENT OF FEMALE "PASTORSHIP", FALSE BELIEFS, INFANT "BAPTISM", ALL THE THEOLOGY THAT HAS TORN AWAY OUR CHURCHES, THE CONDONING OF LGBT PRACTICES, DRAG QUEENS, AND AB***ION, AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAS TORN THE CHURCH DOWN. MAY GOD HUMBLE YOU ALL AND LEAD YOU TO GREAT REPENTANCE AND SUBMISSION TO JESUS CHRIST AS LORD.

[@peterfarrelly2437]

We all know that the earth is an extremely unique and special place. Maybe it was created. But who created it, and who created the creator? Maybe the creator of the special planet is the same special planet.

[@Magnus_Loov]

Which leads to the probable reasoning that there must be a starting point where the universe, or the potential for it, created itself. A quantum soup existed without time or space. Then there were some quantum fluctuations and BANG the universe came to be with time and space and all the matter! Anything else just leads to "who created the creator" in an infinite loop....

[@eddenz1356]

Very weak arguments.

[@djsarg7451]

Why?