Star Citizen: Polaris VS Perseus

[@LunarLizard]

The ships in SC are like potato chips. One just isn't enough.

[@SanctuaryLife]

You mean Ben N Jerry's? Take the whole tub.

[@LordCritish]

potato chips, each ranging in real world money price from ~$40 to $3000

[@visenya1664]

and after getting one you cant hold yourself back from getting another

[@Jonathan-fr2hn]

I made the mistake of getting one… then two and three and four and now I have a Perseus

[@silenciummortum2193]

That’s what your mom said to your dad about me.

[@SternLX]

The way I see it is the Polaris should run with a Perseus or two as a support group. They very much compliment each other. With the Perseus being more maneuverable, a 2 or 3 ship combat group like this could put a serious smack down on a larger capitol. Neither of these should be operated independently in combat without some kind of support. Add in a Squadron of 4 Andromeda's(getting updates again with dedicated Missile controller seat) and you have a fighter suppression umbrella. I know if I saw a combat group with 1 Polaris, 1 Perseus, and 4 Connie's coming at me I would probably crap my pants.

[@avitus2]

Very late to the reply as I just found this video but I 100% agree. My org's fleet of 'line ships' consists of 2 Perseus, 1 Polaris, 1 Hammerhead and 1 Carrack (the Carrack to operate as AWACs, sensor support, and to assist the Hammerhead). We figure that with this set up it will allow us a chance to punch way above our weight class if push comes to shove.

[@truthfulkarl]

honestly should 1 perseus and 1 hammerhead as escort. keep those fighters at bay

[@bradthebreadstick]

id deffinently want a hammerhead or two in that group, fighters could wreck the percys while the polaris is far from them on their run

[@samarthnagar3856]

and do what hunt hemmerheads in bounty id take a perceus and a hammerhead and pirate the routes

[@vpher]

The MSR totally carried that Idris battle. You guys were lucky it was there.

[@koopakinkreet]

Perseus and Hammerhead seem like a great combo for a smaller fleet. If you don't have the huge numbers to crew a massive armada, you've got one set of huge guns with little worries and a ship bristling with turrets to mop up fighters.

[@Experia888]

Can't get enough of these comparison videos! They're really good :D

[@Tazytots]

I don't even understand why they're being compared to begin with. You could man a Hammerhead and a Perseus (Two ships smaller, and cheaper to run) with the same amount of crew a Polaris demands and have a better security net for your operations than just having one Polaris, not to mention the Polaris being a military capital inherently means it's going to be extremely expensive to operate.

[@S1leNtRIP]

Great stuff dude! I picked up a Perseus during IAE...but I think the Polaris is my dream ship for late game exploration/patrol and colony defense! Thanks for the videos, they're super fun! :D

[@RoballTV]

For me. If you choosing based on strength of the ship, the Polaris. If you are choosing based on the crew you can field, the Perseus, cos you can fire every weapon on 3-4 Perseus with the crew it takes for 1 Polaris.

[@bezdownunder5481]

Well NPC and blades mean who cares. But Percy can be all bladed so no need for NPC they have said. Percy gets medium jump points going to be my see the verse ship.. Polaris is the lets blow stuff up ship.

[@RoballTV]

@@bezdownunder5481 Depends how good blades are, which considering the AI turrets we face on enemy ships, is pretty awful. CIG did say there'd be different levels of performance, but we still don't have a baseline for that. Also there will be a cost to using shards for turrets, as shards are meant to boost many things, likely shields and powerplant efficiency, radar resolution, etc. You might be nerfing your ship in order to fly with a smaller crew.

[@bezdownunder5481]

@@RoballTV yet current turrets are aim bot for players.. its almost impossible 2 miss as a player in a turret.

[@RadioArmitage]

Can't wait for the Perseus, being in a small org it's a perfect fit for us; me in the pilot seat, two mates on the turrets and another two in their vanguards running escort - that's a ton of force projection for only five people.

[@bezdownunder5481]

Could have 4 vanguards percy can be soloed by blades alone... So 6 Perseus by my count is better.

[@maddogs1989]

youre gonna need more crew than that to manage everything efficiently. Not having an Engineer trying to captain and pilot will not be as efficient as a crew that seperates the two.

[@Foba__Bett]

@James Stewart perseus can stay +10km range from idris while bombarding it. From that range, idris wont be able to hit perseus because that boomstick projectile is quite slow.

[@captainharlock3998]

@IOwOI 1 v 1? The Idris wins 11 out if 10 fights against a Perseus. Perseus won't dent a fully fledged Capital ship. Not if the capital is captained by a half competent player.

[@GeneG20]

@@captainharlock3998 But that's the whole point of the Perseus is to actually go and take on a capital class ship. It's is extremely armored so even if there were a few fighters on it while it was firing on the Idris it would take a long time to do some decent damage that and there are the size 3 turrents to help take on those fighters and deter those fighters. I'd say it's 70/30 fight leaning towards the Idris but the Perseus will definitely be able to take on some capitals but not without a challenge.

[@plasticdeath31]

Good to see another versus vid, great job again Law!

[@WabbitCrouton]

Nice comparison and since I also got an ultra-wide, it adds additional joy watching these videos. Merry Xmas!

[@jbirdmax]

When I got home from work, I was watching this at 4am and passed out from your soothing voice. Thanks buddy 😜👍

[@blackmanx5845]

Dude, you make great videos, periodt. Hope you are having a happy and safe holiday! Thank you.

[@Zalatian]

Torpedo explosions add so much to the already-excellent B-roll.

[@nicholasking6066]

Again quick, clean, and all the info I needed with as good an orator as morpholegyst, that makes all the difference in the world jus nice cadence precise pronunciation and enunciation and we'll formated and well organized delivery of information. As a seizure vic there are times I just can't understand what someone is saying but those who are amazing at these skills it's totally different, I have no trouble understanding them and I'm left with understanding instead of a feeling of ineptitude.

[@Toughmudda]

Great video I scooped me up a Persus at launch so excited for it for what purpose it serves.

[@Decimus-Magnus]

Awesome video. I went ahead and got both. I am hoping the Polaris is practical enough for me to use on my own with an NPC crew, but I got the Perseus in case the Polaris isn't practical for my primary big ship gameplay.

[@slev780]

Great vid, Law. Thanks for it and merry Christmas! 🎄

[@lawofthewestgaming]

Thank you, and merry Christmas to you as well!

[@cptjfk]

That's up until now the best review of these ships I found. Thank you very much!

[@nathanfishback]

Love your content! I can't wait for the Polaris.

[@elricengquist9989]

Imagine if they brought out torpedoes that had a personal shield on them giving them abit more survivalbility via the shield needing to be depleted, but might have to have their payload reduced an the cost of them increased. Or if you could use smaller ships like fighters as escorts for the torpedoes that might try an keep pace with them in close range their shield maybe giving some protection till they veer off when the torp gets close to the target.

[@elricengquist9989]

It would be interesting to see something like being able to destablize a small area of shields with a specific type of weapon, which allows missiles or rockets thru the shield to hit the hull without fully having to deplete the shield, but this would be only for a short period of time before it stabilized once more.

[@aeroshot-sk8qt]

Imagine torpedoes only being visible in the HUD within the 4000 meter range. Giving turret operators only five seconds to lock on and destroy them before impact and the suprise on their face when they realise it was a Polaris firing four of them at once.

[@Jinx7red]

I enjoy your video! The Perseus feels like a USS Missouri styled for space spaceship to me, which I totally love! I hope it's as pew pew as I think it will be.

[@tticd]

While I think the point defense can be used against fighters, I think they'll probably be more often used for defending against incoming torpedoes. I think the Perseus will be best-used in conjunction with another sub-cap like the hammerhead (and the polaris, for that matter).

[@likeorasgod]

Just like Carrier groups in real life, you will have support ships in most big fleets.

[@tticd]

Exactly - these things aren't meant to be out there solo, although people will definitely use them that way.

[@likeorasgod]

@@tticd Yah the polaris is designed more to be a solo forward observer scout for a fleet while the hammerhead and Persues are support ships. Though I made sure to have me a good base in smaller ships to go make money until either my org gets enough players are we end up merging in with a bigger group for the big ship play. I get a feeling a lot of folks are going to get ships stolen from them by having to few crew to man them.

[@stuartchapman7934]

Great breakdown of the two ships, some really good in-game footage too!!! 👍👍💯

[@dmitrit.4862]

I'm really curious to see what the Perseus will be like when it comes into the game. At the moment we can only speculate about the design, functionality, armour or firepower of this ship. But I wouldn't be surprised if the final result has some deviations from the concept design.

[@brent2182]

I really liked both so I got both. 😂🤣 just need to build up my org a bit more to get people to help me run them.

[@argentshrike516]

Same

[@TBoneHEMA]

If you wanna run with an org, we're a pretty chill group with a military theme. About 28 members so far. We do weekly ops and mess around in between!

[@ASSASSYN]

I am part of Polaris Corp Organization. We are flying Polaris ships and now also Perseus ships.

[@brandonporter6223]

​@@ASSASSYN Jesus christ, can you imagine being assaulted by a group of Polaris and Perseus ships. Even a Javelin would be scared.

[@thestormcraft4012]

i wish i had a capital ship, my org is in need of such resources and we have more then enough people to crew 10 javelins XD

[@evobsm2328]

I see the perseus more as an anti big ship deterent for your home base thats able to respond quickly to a big threat in a region or indeed act like merchant defense like the hammerhead. And the polaris as a patrol craft for security missions or for locking down a sector. Or wherever you may need it, since it has a lot more versitility.

[@Wolf_Rayet]

bouth the Polaris & Perseus need to have a HH as suport,and a combo of those 3 ships will be an awsome site to see,my is a very small org and the Perseus would be a perfect fit for us ,but still thet is mostly for fleet fights ,but i like bouth ships

[@Wolf_Rayet]

@@schoolboymafia not the Polaris ,but the Perseus yes, and i ment thet as a fleet heding to combat against other players

[@cfisk85]

Great video man, I love the comparison and the breakdown. Personally I'm leaning toward the Perseus.

[@CoryDAnimates]

I still find this facinnating how many Wing Commander designs are being reimanged and updated.

[@novalis791]

Thanks for the insights!

[@Synthmilk]

A task force based around the Polaris I think would ideally include a Hammerhead, two Perseus, a Starfarer Gemini and a Crucible. Load the cargo bays with spare parts, ammo and food/water, and you have a patrol with extreme longevity and no easy counter. The Hammerhead and Polaris each are lethal to fighters, and paired with a Perseus, bombers and any other medium ships can't get close. Anything large can be overwhelmed by the Perseus' smaller torpedoes so the Polaris' Size 10's can knock out at least one shield facing, and then the Perseus' guns tear it up to be finished by the Polaris' next volley, if needed. Add a Liberator carrying a Vulture and a Mole, and you could stay out nearly forever.

[@mariomarques1507]

How often are we going to need to destroy a cap ship? I agree that the Polaris is better, but the costs to operate need to meet its utility. I think we're going to use the Perseus more often. And this ship pair with the HammerHead is a no go for the major pirate raids.

[@ragnarbaron6090]

I think if you need to kill anything smaller than cap 3 ares crusaders>Perseus

[@TBoneHEMA]

@@ragnarbaron6090 Perseus can easily concentrate fire on one section of shield. Aeres damage will be spread out

[@T51B1]

Polaris does a lot more than just carry torps, it will be an excellent general purpose and patrolling ship.

[@ragnarbaron6090]

@@T51B1 it’s all right at what it does. I still think the ares is gonna be the pirate ship of choice

[@ragnarbaron6090]

@@schoolboymafia a lot of players are delusional in thinking when it comes to cap ships though. Your going to need minimum 6-8 people to operate an idris not including your fighters your going to bring. It’s going to be far more effective to have those same 6-8 people in smaller ships like an ares or similar anti cap ship. Most fights won’t be titanic fleets fighting it out. It’s gonna be a sharp quick decisive fight

[@guysolomon7904]

I never really thought about slaving the Perseus main gun to the pilot - I just assumed a turret that size was going to require a man to operate, but being able to run solo ERT's would be pretty hilarious

[@Kitkat-986]

I solo ERTs in my Vanguard Harbinger. I can one shot heavy fighters with the torpedoes, and whittle down the Hammerhead with missiles and guns.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

As you mentioned the Perseus has a long range due to 2 L fuel tanks and a L quantum fuel tank . If you are operating in the outer rim systems, I don't know if large swarms of fighters can get out that far. Besides the Perseus has heavy armor + 2 L shields and I don't see S 3 weapons doing much against that while occupied by auto turrets. The 92 max SCM speed is just standard combat maneuvering speed, not how fast it can go.

[@vajukal]

I look at it like this, the Perseus is a great force multiplier, but the polaris is capable of being a force lol.

[@isawarenshi]

So I was wondering the comparison of the Freelancer Max vs the theoretical Constellation Taurus (or even a regular Conny at this point?

[@CMDR-Ashtar]

Always loved this series!!!

[@Gazooka]

The way I see it is the Perseus has point defence turrets that are designed to shoot down missiles and torpedoes. The Polaris can’t shoot down size 7 cannon rounds as they move too quick.

[@planckzhang3423]

But with far better radar，polaris can always attack first and run away before being scouted with information advantage and faster speed, and polaris have hangar even capable for an eclipse. I don't believe the Perseus could withstand such combo attacks.

[@titansquirrel4408]

greetings from the guy in the defender who accidentally rammed the idris at the end there o/ was very bummed to miss the explosion and here it is for me, thanks for posting! I wonder how much damage the kamikaze did in the end

[@tommygunraw_6566]

I was actually considering getting the perseus. But after I've seen what they did to the Ion not any more...

[@Invictus_Praetorian]

Awesome breakdown! I can't wait til the Polaris is in game!

[@HellSolo]

The teamplay with a group running BOTH.. That's the best solution!

[@michaelgiertz-rath7994]

Got the full set of "Corvettes" which I intend to use in a small anti-capital "task force". Org gameplay is a prereq 'though Carrack -> Scout Corvette Role: forward scout and target management. Basically this ship can't really fight but can act as a small Command'n'Control ship in the field. The Carrack doesn't have to fight at all so the captain can act as a group leader and direct other vessels in combat. Also the Carrack can launch a shuttle or light fighter (I think the Arrow fits in its hangar), supporting other fighters or defending itself. Hammerhead -> Anti Fighter Corvette (the ship is not a corvette but currently listed as one in the game) Role: screens against fighters and needs to work in tandem with the Perseus. Both ships are grouped with the Polaris. If needed, the Hammerhead can be outfitted to defeat other similar sized vessels including the Perseus by using cannons instead of repeaters or gatlings. Also, if fitted with distortion cannons, the Hammerhead can be used to shut down shields of a hostile target. Depending on its outfit, the Hammerhead can fill different roles but only one at a time. There's no "jack-of-all-trades" loadout. Either anti-shield, anti-ship or anti-fighter, but not all three. Perseus -> Anti Ship Corvette (again: this ship is not a true corvette but may be listed as one in the game) Role: fire support. The Perseus fields four size seven guns and is intented to take out ships of her own size and even above, when used in "wolf packs". However, if used as an escort craft for a Polaris or Idris, the guns will bolster both ship classes fighting capabilities. If an Idris or Polaris is attacked by hostile craft, the Perseus may tackle the attacker with its S7 guns while the Idris / Polaris don't have to turn and won't have to quit their current job. The Perseus is LESS versatile compared to a Hammerhead since turret guns can't be replaced. Polaris -> Anti Capital Corvette (the only true corvette so far) Role: Capital Ship Cracker. Seriously. A Tali or an Exclipse are using S9 torpedoes and a single one is usually enough to destroy a Hammerhead. A couple of them can kill an Idris. The Polaris comes with S10 torpedoes and can fire four of 'em per salvo. I can't imagine what damage a full hit does, but I bet, any Idris won't survive two direct hits despite active shields. The Polaris comes with 28 torpedoes, which means, one can take out 3 Idris frigates in theory and still has torpedoes to spare. Now think of a wolf pack of 'em and you got a serious threat that can and will punch a hole in your fleet if left unattented. That being said, even a small task force as the one I want to use, can take out single capital ships with acceptable cost overhead. Also comes with a hangar for a fighter. "Currency" manpower (cost efficiency) The currency I'm talking about is manpower, as every single player usually has at least one, more often than not multiple fighters and ships and need to be convinved to join a crew instead piloting own fighters. The sum is: 5 (Carrack) + 7 (Hammerhead) + 6 (Perseus) + 9 (Polaris, skeleton crew) = 27. Plus 2 fighter pilots. 29 players for that task force. The Idris, if crewed properly, may have a similar amount of players but is only one ship and comes with less firepower and less versatility per player. However: you also can bring 29 players via bombers and fighters to the field and may have the same result. It's just less cool :)

[@1x_rj_x1]

Could you fit two small fighter ships in the Perseus’s hangar? Preferably a ship with a QT drive. With good firepower unlike the Snubs.

[@ramonebrown5704]

I think the Polaris is going to be highly dependent on the Vulcans for re arming or refueling.... Unless there is a large or capital equivilant of a Vulcan. I think the effectiveness of the polaris will come down to the balance they strike regarding how difficult it is for point defense or counter measures to defeat incoming torpedos

[@Interitus1]

this is a question i've been asking myself. i have an upgrade from a Perseus to Polaris. I frankly like the Perseus better. The one thing that makes me hesitate is the med bay. it could be so useful

[@Eneov]

Love the theory craft bruv. Looking forward to the next vid

[@DeadManInBlack]

Great vid, the main thing I don't like with the Polaris is that bridge position, I dont know if targeted destruction will be a thing such as bridge targeting but even if its not I just think it looks a little out of place. the main things I like about the Polaris that is has over the Perseus has are the med bay (hopefully this may change to a limited medical facility) and hanger. I also had to think about crew requirements and the Perseus better suits my solo play style and I just love the style of it, it looks like a futuristic destroyer/battleship with those big ass turrets.

[@alphacentauri3069]

I've got a Perseus, and I bought the 20 dollar CCU to the Polaris. Once they're both out I'll make my decision as to which one to keep

[@likeorasgod]

Even though I got a Perseus and while I think the Polirs is nice having the hanger bay and all, but it's more long rang ship compared to the protective gun ship.

[@mrblobby6284]

thank you for that very clearly expressed contrasting elements between the two ships. I was seriously considering the polaris as what id described as "the useful and well armed 890Jump" (it will likely be 200m long by the end of concept with all those rooms), but in reality it will be a nightmare to crew and a money sink to run. ill stick with my wholly solo-able perseus. Merci beaucoup!

[@Kitkat-986]

A Perseus seems like the perfect flagship for a small fleet. Only needing a crew of around 5 is a huge advantage.

[@king124kine]

I am actually severely struggling on which of these two to get. Perseus has a cooler bridge design, can easily be crewed, and packs a massive punch for its size! The Polaris is much bigger (I consider this a +), can store ships in a hanger, has actual massive torps, but it takes a ton of people to crew, oh and it also has a medbay! Anyways, I am stuck, don't really want both of them. The current $$ price is just so close to one another that I may just upgrade to the Polaris if given a chance, as I expect its in game cost to be much much more than the Perseus! I hope this video help!

[@zepheris_]

I had the Polaris but downgraded to a Perseus, I'm sure in another 5 years I'll change my mind again.

[@lihisluikku]

Considering the S5 torpedoes of the Perseus, I think they are more of a finishing weapon for physical damage models. Instead of firing them at fighters, or even other large ships as an opening salvo, I see them more as an execution weapon. First you cripple the target with the S7 guns on those turrets. And after the target is crippled by repeated hits on engines, drained shields, damaged components... You fire a salvo of S5 torpedoes into the side of the target, to make sure it doesn't get back into the fight. In contrast, the Polaris torpedoes are its' main weapon. It is designed to launch a deadly nuclear weapons style missile strike against larger targets. Aided by the capital class radar and computer, it should be able to land rather consistent hits on large capital class ships. This sort of firepower will be enough to completely solo the shields of large capital class ships. Cripple those ships systems once shields are down. And deal the finishing blows after they are crippled. Trade-off being, the Polaris is rather squishy for the size it is, being comparable to Perseus and Hammerhead, but having noticeably thinner armor. Instead, relying on devastating salvos of torpedoes, and relatively high speed to hit and run before being critically damaged. The guns on the Polaris are just for defending itself against fighters and bombers. Too small to even dent ships of its' own size. Or at least, that is the design intent. And if we do get physical damage models with armor being a thing, it will play that way. But as of now, torpedoes and guns are just DPS. The large spike damage profile of the torpedo, is not extremely useful until we get to the S9+ classes, and just shelling the target with more guns until it blows up, is the meta. But once ships start physically degrading from being fired, and losing systems as they get damaged. Then you will want missiles and torpedoes to launch at crippled targets, as they are more likely to splash damage the remaining components, as well as cause structural damage that won't be easy to repair during the fight.

[@danielbalder]

Warbond CCU from perseus to Polaris is $25, and it's no longer limited. I kinda wish the perseus was a better ship- it seems so much weaker than the Polaris. The Perseus is probably the coolest looking ship in the game.

[@dredgephantom4212]

I mean, it's role is entirely different though, when comparing to killing big ships sure, but like was said in the video, the persues is a defensive ship.

[@themanyouwanttobe]

Vanguard Harbinger versus Freelancer MIS would be a good way to incorporate missile operator mode into the review in 3.14. Both are about the same weight class, similar pilot controlled firepower, single manned turret, and they differentiate themselves from the rest of their family with added missile capacity.

[@Cpt_Hit9]

I have both in my buy-back! Keep up the awesome videos!

[@GhostRecon2015]

Why not just keep it in your hangar?

[@Wind_Lord]

Polaris can deal with small fighters and large ships/cap ship attack. Also Polaris can easily be HQ for a small to medium org.

[@cjak4958]

I was there for that idris fight! I’m excited for when these bigger ships will be usable and when there’s a good reason to have them, the org I’m part of plans to do massive cargo convoys when it’s possible which will generate large amount of income and you will want a security escort cause where there money there’s a pirate that wants it

[@Antarius1987]

Isn't the Perseus for attacks against medium ships (i.e. smaller than the Persus) and the Polaris for attacks against ships in its own weight class? Like the Perseus, for example.

[@TheNorthHawk]

Perseus guns are, what, size 7? It's hard to gauge how powerful that would be.

[@dasmoools606]

From what we've seen of Size 5's and the Size 6's on the Jav. Plus being S7 Ballistics, they'll have the disadvantage of an ammo counter, but no energy drain, with high alpha. So.. probably punch holes through ships of its size and atleast be capable of aiding larger vessels in cap ship battles. Honestly, with the new mechanics, caps and so forth. With ballistics being high alpha / high ROF with ammo constraints. Yea, my above statement may seem more accurate now, honestly the Perseus is looking more enticing due to its low crew count, yet raw pure focus. Sub-cap upto corvette sized, I don't think you'll want to be hit by four size 7 ballistics. For a sub-cap, thats a pretty insane amount of firepower, yet its likely got a rather low amount of ammo, unless we're able to fill half the cargo hold with more ammo and haul it upto what appears to be the autoloading system.

[@nerdglider]

I would go with the Perseus because it requires less crew, I have two other friends that play and we could have fun in that, the medical bed and the landing bay in the Polaris is cool for boarding party gameplay but I don't see our group playing like that often.

[@programmedgamer7101]

Good comparison! But why pick between them when you have both? 🙂 I'll use the perseus as a more relaxed combat vessel, while my polaris will probably be functioning as my org base. Perseus is a very nice ship that fits a more realistic player crew size and still packs a wallop and has good utility with the 50 scu rover bay.

[@Lead1121]

As a solo player , the Perseus is what I’ll aim for when it releases in game shops

[@YahBoiMocha]

Excellent as always Law!!

[@queze009]

You did a good job on this video

[@kaizaki3996]

I'll be honest I still have no clue how the Polaris has a capital class radar yet the Idris doesn't.... xD you would think a sub-carrier frigate would have one of those... love your vids bro :)

[@Sixth-Venom]

Long range torpedo boat!

[@blackcoffy3196]

love the new intro and logo. looks sick.

[@RainbowSushiii]

if u need a torpedo delivery system just grab a retaliator :D

[@angerskarin9222]

I cant wait for all those cool ships to be in the game and fight it out, then some random pop in with a BMM who as of now have 4 size 6 guns.

[@ashesonwool4011]

I think the Perseus will be the more popular pick, it looks much more traditional, cheaper, easier to maintain and easier to man. And having main firepower relied upon cannons instead of torpedos is definitely what id prefer tbh. Unless torpedos can be remotely controlled eventually

[@Tainted-Soul]

Great video I would love either ship but I am going with Big guns over Missiles as they are cheap to use LOL One thing I wish you would add is if you was on your own what would the pilot have at hand. you talked about blades for controlling turrets . when are they coming to SC ? as much as I would like to have a crew Im not so sure I could. so how effective would they be as solo ?

[@RakasansLegacy]

Excellent video as always.

[@harbinger8208]

nice rundown, thanks

[@BradfordMelluish]

Yeah, not knowing anything about how the game will actually play in 10-20 years when it (hopefully) reaches something like a soft release, my totally unfounded pie-in-the-sky ideal small-to-medium sized org big ship loadout will be something like a polaris, perseus, and maybe an idris-k if there's enough folks to crew it + npcs, with whatever mix of fighters is appropriate for the job at hand. Possibly 2-3 Arrows if they'll fit in the polaris hangar bay, then maybe a sabre, an eclipse, and a mantis in the idris. Nice mix of torpedos for alpha strike, and heavy guns and lasers for keeping shields on the fritz and maintaining consistent damage on target, while the having a solid number of escort fighters.

[@PH03NIX96]

Honestly, highly expect the component sizes to get bigger for the Polaris. Especially for the fuel tanks. Expect 2 Large or 1 capital

[@Cberk03]

Great breakdown

[@nazgul9]

The usual high quality vid 🤘

[@ZakKena]

As usual very good quality content

[@ruizrica2]

Keep it up bro, good stuff.

[@itorca]

Guns actually hit so torps are the disadvantage you have to try to catch a torp

[@gregbagel791]

How I see the roles of ships rn (exempting their actual roles) Destroyer (main ship of a fleet)- perseus, most numerous of the capital esc class ships in an org. Cruiser (more specialized and stronger ship, capable of handling itself) - polaris Battleship/flagship (head ship of fleet, expensive and strong, maybe a couple in a big org) - javelin Carriers/assult ships (carries fighter/drop ships and large amounts of soldiers/equipment) - I see the kraken being the good carrier in a fleet here with fighters, and the Idris as well altho I personally due to the three ship carrying cap ive heard about the Idris would probably use it like a marine assualt carrier with drop ships instead of fighters. Only a few of these in each org as well Support frigate (also numerous more specialized smaller cap class ship) - the hammerhead for anti-fighter support. Nautilus for mine laying Submarine/anti-cap ship - retaliator, good for popping up and dumping torps, or long range support for a fleet. Medical frigates-endeavor and apollo(altho apollo is a medium ship) Then starfarer for refueling For patrol craft (most numerous multi crew ship not cap or cap esc class) probably connies (personal choice), pilot has guns and two turrets and lot of missles plus snub.

[@SanoSora]

Idris has more armor and health than a kraken apparently, could be wrong

[@gregbagel791]

@@SanoSora would help the Idris work as a dedicated assualt ship then, carriers need support but the Idris could probably work alone as part of a marine corp

[@SanoSora]

@@gregbagel791 agreed

[@BizzMRK]

I would have actually preferred if they just got rid of the lower back turret on the perseus and installed a larger torpedobay instead. S5 torps are very tiny, they are the ones that come with the Vanguard Harbinger and Gladiator.

[@velocitymg]

These ships are going to be extremely expensive to run...Everyone talks about running a small fleet like a Polaris, Perseus and Hammerhead, my belief is that the effort to keep them running and maintained will only make them viable to use in major engagements and then I dread the claim time for something like the Polaris where it will be registered in days rather than minutes or hours if they are destroyed. The rest of the time the crews will be busy doing missions and making money to support them. Also, just floating around in a capital ship is going to invite people to try and take them out.

[@finimauser]

Can i shoot the S10 torpedos from the pilot seat? in the polaris?

[@camdenbarclay]

The perseus with a couple of escort arrows will be a force to recon with. Excellent for patrol and ambush.

[@devyntheunbroken7303]

I like my redeemer but my big flaw is flying big ships that I can solo and the Perseus fits that criteria with blades. When the ship expo comes around again I'ma trade my redeemer in for that beautiful, but intimidating ship

[@moosecaboose]

are you saying that the polaris gonna be bigger than intended ?

[@lenbone72]

Polaris has more game loops I think. Perseus makes more sense game wise as you can run the whole ship with a crew of 4. Much more feasible for small groups.

[@cj1892]

I have a Perseus, and I so badly want it to be what they describe it to be, however with its current size and load out, it doesn't stand a chance against any of the ships its intended to be able to go toe to toe with. They say it has tons of armor, great, but i highly doubt that would stop the Polaris size 10 torps. As it stands right now, the only ship it may stand a chance against is the hammerhead. They really need to rework this ship and come up with more optimal use for the bay inside the ship. As it stands now, its a giant open bay that can hold an ursa, but there its space above the 1st deck that is completely unused. I really hope they bump it up in size and add more gatling guns for protection. Most people say this ship compliments other ships which is true, however in its current state, its more viable to just use other ships in this ones place.

[@captainharlock3998]

It's meant to go after sub capital and lower. Polaris is a fully fledged capital ship. If a Perseus finds itself 1 v 1 against a Polaris it means the Perseus captain fucked up. Perseus will shines against Nautilu, HH, other Perseuses, down to connies. Lower than Connies and the Perseus will be in trouble. Higher than sub cap and Perseus is yet in trouble. Polaris and Perseus aren't really comparable because it's a complete other size and range of ship. Like comparing Cutlass vs a Connie. Perseus is much more comparable to the HH.

[@CPT_Nelson]

I would not mind have one or both escorting my Hull E!

[@ianwilson4286]

Will they add a med bay to Persus?

[@masterglitch0]

Probably not, unfortunately. Would be really nice if they did

[@Needlesse]

Crew requirements, capital ship fuel and torpedo bills is gonna be rough for the Polaris.

[@Cysmoke]

Imagine being a captain of a Polaris in battle… in VR 🤩

[@phoenixsui]

3:35 People should start thinking of fleets and then it wont be hard to get a Target in front of it.

[@GozXz]

Kinda missed out on the advantages of having a fighter housed in the Polaris which creates a larger array of dynamic offensive and defensive capabilities. Polaris seemingly underwhelming armor could be subsidized by better shielding equipment. Overall, Between the Perseus and Polaris boils down to effective roles assign. I choose the Polaris as a mobile base where I can move from system to system and do missions with the fighter. Most the crew will be AI/Blade (nonballistic armaments for cost efficiency) while the critical roles will be a skeleton player crew. Just the same if I don't have the crew I can still function with the Polaris. I think my initial go is to make 1MIL UEC and then move on to the next system. Could take a day could take a week. IF I am called to join an organized battle my ship is ready at all times.

[@2N00BY1]

tbh my problem atm is imagining the small turrets on the perseus to be any usefull at all. Everyone talk about them shooting down incoming missiles and fighters but for the sake of keeping it real, those are just 4 size 3 guns in total. thats less than a heavy fighter will bring to the table. And even if they get more capable than the currently look to be a ship like the polaris with alot more guns and bigger size aswell should be a pretty much no fly zone, while the Hammerhead should be a black hole sucking every single bit of life out of the universe around it (obviously speaking about objects smaller then cutlass class ships)

[@brandonporter6223]

As someone who owns a Perseus, I have no intention of using those S3 guns to attack ships. The only exception to that is if a smaller ship managed to survive getting close to me and started trying to get into blind spots, it could do some damage to them while they are focusing on maneuvering, and maybe shake them off a bit. These turrets are point defense against missiles, it was clearly stated that it was their purpose. Missile mechanics are not fully implemented into the game yet as well, so how they work now is not fully indicative of how they will work when the Perseus is released into the game, so how effective they will be against missiles is anyone's guess.

[@2N00BY1]

@@brandonporter6223 RSI said they didnt want the S7 to be able to track small ships any reliably, so you have to work with your smaller turrets, and just as i said before such a small amount of guns i just cant imagine to be any effective againt even a single only punny missile, not even talking about a torpedo. Missile would be to nimble to track and a big torpedo would be like trying to stop a schoolbus coming at you at mach 2 with a pistol. You maypunch a few holes in it but it wont stop you from hitting you. But hey who knows how they will implement it, maybe they just randomly explode upon beeing shot.

[@brandonporter6223]

@@2N00BY1 Everything you are saying is complete speculation. We don't know how missiles will work in the future. They have said many times that the missiles we have now are simple compared to the system they want to implement down the line.

[@2N00BY1]

@@brandonporter6223 ofc it is but hands down to where we stand now, nobody talks about the turrets on the polaris as they seem to be kind of a sidegig cause they allways are staying in the big shadow of the huge torpedo tubes, but in terms of dps the polaris is to be expceted to be very close to a perseus from the turrets alone (ofc armor and dmg treshholds getting introduced with that in the future has a negative effect on smaller size guns in the future). Point im trying to get is that the point defence on the persues is real pale in comparison to other ships, making it any kind of effective will mean that other ships can to it even better and that would render a missile or torpedo completly useless. Comming to a conclusuion of my words if you ask me i would say as it stands now the Perseus is pretty helpless without any support but will strenghten any fleet that it goes with by alot. and as you say all of it is ofc speculation and or anyways subject to alot of change.

[@WhiteWolf047]

I want a Polaris now. When will it go on sale again?

[@masterglitch0]

most likely in november during the expo. I have one and i'm really excited to finally see it in game

[@planckzhang3423]

you can go to eBay or other grey market

[@planckzhang3423]

or wait till next official limited sale

[@WhiteWolf047]

@@planckzhang3423 I am wondering when the next limited sale is. I thought it was in May but wasn't sure.

[@planckzhang3423]

@@WhiteWolf047 usually it will be at the anniversary sale which is this year's November or December，it will definetely on sale，but limited sale especially polaris will only available in few seconds or minutes because many people is purchasing it.

[@martinschemmel84]

I simply dislike the Polaris look. I find the Perseus look way more appealing, even over an Javelin. In fact I hope there will be a Javelin sized Perseus type of ship. Having those broadside weapons of the Javelin is pretty inefficient.. rather have some large cannons instead of spliting up the firepower.

[@ashesonwool4011]

I have the same opinion, the polaris looks so strange..

[@Anvarynn]

I personally love broadsides, plus the Javelin does have its own massive turrets central mounted top and bottom

[@martinschemmel84]

@@Anvarynn yea I mean I guess some person might like boradside weapon by style. Just historically its going back even further than WW2 XD. Broadside weapons found an end when they just couldnt penetrate the ironclad hulls anymore and it was more efficient to have center mounted large cannons rather covering the weight limit with many small ones. In that way the Idris is a way more modern approach.

[@Anvarynn]

@@martinschemmel84 Well Space Bobberts apparently wants this game to be 6DOF WW1/2 Naval Doctrine when it comes to combat, instead of modern day air doctrine where most fights are BVR, quick and done. While I get it, gameplay, fun, w/e 900 years in the future but combat is 70 years backwards, go figure

[@martinschemmel84]

@@Anvarynn yea, but broadside weapon is back to the age of wooden ships xD. You can have it as you wish. I just dont find it very suitable.

[@JC-Alan]

Damn. I want the Perseus, but now I also want the Polaris..