Star Wars: 10 Things Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX Script Did Better Than The Rise Of Skywalker

[@tritonk1759]

Don't judge, but after reading the script for Duel of the Fates I wish Trevorrow had done the ENTIRE Sequel Trilogy. Dude clearly GOT Star Wars and embraced the Prequels, Original Trilogy AND Legends while also actually building off of Force Awakens AND Last Jedi in fresh and interesting ways.

[@saemikneu]

togethe with Dave Filoni

[@calebdarsky5040]

Obviously I believe George Lucas should’ve done the sequel trilogy, but if not him, then yes I agree, the DOTF script was freaking badass, and he should’ve done the sequels if not GL.

[@HiMyNameIsAlex_Music]

@@eastcumbriancollector983 When will people realize that Bob Iger is the one to blame, not Kennedy??? JJ, KK, and RJ each requested far more time to do their projects. Bob Iger was the one who said they could only push from May to December of the same year, and required yearly releases. Everyone involved in the movies knew they were rushed. And honestly, in such a rushed environment, I understand why they canned Trevorrow after *The Book of Henry* came out. They were scared. We don't know who ultimately made that call, but Iger is the villain of the ST. He insisted that Episode IX be his big finale for his retirement. KK has produced some of the greatest films of all time. Lucas handpicked her. Iger is the bureaucrat who screwed the whole thing. HOWEVER, I do not understand how JJ came in to do IX, read Finn's Coruscant uprising story, and threw it out. Totally boneheaded move.

[@samuelebincoletto637]

Yeah, imagine if he even used George Lucas ideas in which Maul was the main villain? I guess it would have been awesome to see.

[@samuelebincoletto637]

@@calebdarsky5040 How about George Lucas alongside Dave Filoni and Colin Trevor?

[@Andrew-dp5kf]

I can’t help but think the whole sequel trilogy would have been better if they had actually spent more tine writing a decent plot for the whole three FIRST rather than ad-hoc as they went along. What a waste of an opportunity .

[@kenbrown2808]

absolutely agree.

[@wheattoast1971]

Well the original trilogy all by Abrams is cohesive. Weird and far fetched. I don’t like it. But it’s cohesive.

[@scrayden1377]

The Sequels should've been something else

[@lightning4499]

Exactly. Disney wanted to cash in right after it bought Lucasfilm. This script would have made more sense than the KK and JJ show we got.

[@joechabot2669]

The "story chain" aspect of it was the most frustrating thing ever, ... ok go... writes wildly ... go writes wildly, go... but they hate everythnhg, MORE MERCHANDISING!!

[@starbrand3726]

The idea of Finn going under cover as a Stormtrooper and then convincing other Troopers to revolt was brilliant.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

Imagine the first order turned against the final order. The final order ships would need a more reddish paint job for that to work but that’s easy to pull off

[@gbirdnonsense1084]

Even Finn successfully sacrificing himself in TLJ could have achieved similar results. Just a giant heap of missed story opportunity

[@MrMattyG]

💯

[@huwguyver4208]

Ngl I was kind of starting to tune out this video until they mentioned that. Watching Finn lead a Stormtrooper uprising would have been epic!

[@Kiyosuki]

Finn was done so dirty for sure

[@starvel5545]

So the answer is basically everything. It did everything better than The Rise of Skywalker

[@TheThirdDaySH]

Did you read the fill script? That is very, very incorrect.

[@starvel5545]

@@TheThirdDaySH I actually did and I do stand by my opinion. It isn't perfect but there is nothing in The Rise of Skywalker that I think was done better.

[@TheThirdDaySH]

@@starvel5545 oh, okay. As long as you read the script, you're entitled to your opinion. :) But man, do I disagree. Lol.

[@starvel5545]

@@TheThirdDaySH fair enough lol

[@CPTAnonymous]

Of course it did everything better than Rise of Mary Sue. They set the bar so low, one could practically trip over it.

[@joermnyc]

Rey wielding a blue double bladed lightsaber makes more sense than that yellow one she turns on and off for no reason (other than merchandising).

[@jpaotv9355]

Why? I’m genuinely curious about your reasoning.

[@joermnyc]

@@jpaotv9355 she always fought with her staff before she found the old lightsaber. It would have been more natural for her to wield.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Like her white flappy cap? For new toys? 💲💲💲

[@jpaotv9355]

So basically Knights of the old republic lightsaber classes? I can see that, but Rey was also adept at mechanical skills so by that logic Yellow works too, technically. That said Blue still looks better IMO

[@shanevanboxtel7337]

I agree on it being a double bladed lightsaber but.... i think it could still be yellow because yellow is the coulour of the jedi temple guard and rey in tge end becomes the guardian of the galaxy because she is the last jedi

[@jsnow7919]

"See you around kid" *never sees him again*

[@Deadflower20xx]

"That is a story for another time." *never sees her again and there is no other time*

[@Valen_Duraama]

Can we petition for something similar to the ‘Snyder cut’ for this version of the film? I would love to actually see this movie done and put in theatres or on Disney plus. I think it would be a more redeeming thing for Disney Star Wars films and I’m sure some other fans wouldn’t disagree. This is only my opinion though.

[@felixluna4184]

That's a cool idea and all. But I feel like instead they should scrap the whole franchise. So Dave fionli and John favreau can do whatever he wants, with the mando, Luke, grogu, ashoka, and etc I don't want that to be held back by episode 7.

[@EuMestre]

#releasedualofthefates

[@SRETRODUDE]

I would like to see it in another form of some kind. Like a graphic novel or an animated movie.

[@Bearical]

No, scrap that. Make the George Lucas sequels instead.

[@Bearical]

@@felixluna4184 honestly, what they are doing is more like Lucas envisioned it.

[@leonardointiyumecoilamende5960]

List: only has 10 things that are better than The Rise of Skywalker Me: You're a lot shorter than I expected

[@Smiggly2574]

Finn had no story arc other than screaming Rey. He was turned into a moron in TLJ as well

[@AdultThirdCultureKid1971]

Yeah, what was that about? 🤔More to the point, what was with Finn and Poe arguing like an old married couple? 🤔

[@bobjenko]

While I respect the opinion, I disagree. Imo TLJ took Finn from being someone who was loyal to Rey (he says enough times in TFA he's doing everything to get to/help Rey), not the Resistance. His arc in TLJ is seeing why the Resistance exists and why he has to help them - leading to him literally trying to lay down his life to save the Resistance as a whole on Crait. But in TROS, I agree. They did nothing with him and wasted him.

[@lionsfan3581]

@@bobjenko all he does in the entire trilogy is yell Rey he should’ve been the main character but they wasted it and now John boyega wants nothing to do with Star Wars

[@REDDAWNproject]

@@bobjenko finn's arc in tlj is just the same arc he had in tfa. Also, i love that the movie went out of its way to explain the shittiness of war TO THE ONE CHARACTER IN THE CAST WHO ACTUALLY SUFFERED THE MOST DUE TO WAR. Poe should've been on canto bight and finn on the ship.

[@bobjenko]

@@REDDAWNproject Read my comment again and you'll see his arc wasn't the same - it's similar, but as I said nuanced, and Poe being on Canto Bight wouldn't have fit the story. Plus what would Finn have done on the ship? Finn needed to learn the lesson that, yes, he knew about suffering, but that it wasn't just about him and his experiences and personal loyalties (his arc in TFA), there was a much bigger picture. Poe needed to be on the ship because he had a lot to learn about that type of leadership and hope to succeed. He needed to go from hotshot pilot to collected leader as basically Leia's heir.

[@Revanaught]

Holy crap, so much of this sounds so good... Can we just like...let him make his own episode 9? Just pretend that rise of Skywalker didn't happen?

[@UnDazzled69]

I want this to happen oh my god

[@EntertainmentMan132]

I appreciate how DOTF actually tried to be a proper conclusion to everything that came before. It felt like a sequel to TLJ and even TFA (like it answers questions from TFA that even TROS didn't get to). It feels like more of a cap to the first 6 movies and even the tv shows. And whether you agree with Rey's conclusions at the end, her arc and the way she finds balance actually gives the ST a reason for existing. That's my take anyway.

[@Deathpool_04]

Yeah, this would’ve saved the ST for me. The only thing that I still wouldn’t like is Luke but everything else would’ve been way more tolerable if we got this version of Episode 9.

[@Ajaws]

It would’ve actually made Rose and Finn better characters… instead of basically writing them out of the movie and relegating them to side characters Hux also would’ve been scary again like he was in TFA instead of a goofball loser like he was in rise of Skywalker

[@seregagerassimov4864]

@@Ajaws yeah... I can't imagine someone who literally acted like a nazi maniac in episode 7 and episode 8 to be like "I am the spy", lol)). Kylo's redemption ark and Hux's "redemption" ark (if you can call it that) are the worst that I have EVER seen. Hux became a comically incompitent general who is also a spy, and Kylo became just a bland copy of his grandfather.

[@Ajaws]

@@seregagerassimov4864 He was supposed to be supreme chancellor Hux in Dual of the Fates and that would’ve been so fucking cool

[@tristangoodfellow9180]

Honestly Star Wars should have just expanded through stand alone movies and spin offs. Trying to top Luke's trilogy is honesty a waste of time. Yes the prequels aren't liked by all, but at least it has an outline and strong story! 7, 8 & 9 have no consistency or thought out plan. All of the movies have their moments, but the latest trilogy really was a let down 😔

[@adnaanu]

Agreed 👍. The prequels have a degree of consistency with their storyline and character development.

[@kurtisstanley7660]

@@adnaanu and with stories and characters added in the clone wars series, it all fit in and worked very well. The story was perfect!

[@tylerthejetsuarez8902]

As someone who really doesn't like the 1st 2nd and 3rd movies I can say they're 1000% better than the inconsistent dumbester fire that is the 7th 8th and 9th movies.

[@CharlieSoze]

The prequels tell one coherent story, and despite all its awkward parts, it tells that story really well. The sequels had nothing to say and no coherence, and honestly I don't know that RoS had even one good moment.

[@gerry8796]

The prequels should have been so much better. The Anakin to Darth Vader story was rushed and really poorly done. Yes, they had an outline, but that's the nature of prequels. - they already had a pre-defined destination they had to reach. The sequel trilogy pretty much had a blank page and could potentially have been awesome but were ruined by the chopping and changing of directors and resulting lack of cohesive storyline. Such missed opportunities - both prequels and sequels. If only they'd just stuck with the original trilogy!

[@panfilip9963]

10 Things Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX Script Did Better Than The Rise Of Skywalker No.1 - Everything.

[@jmoralesh]

It makes me really really sad that this story wasn't made. TROS is the most anticlimactic shit I've ever seen.

[@seregagerassimov4864]

Truly. I'm a big Star Wars fan, and I LOVE literally EVERYTHING that I have ever seen/read/played from SW media as of july 2022. EXCEPT the Rise of Skywalker. It forever will be a big stain on this franchise for me. That shit deserves to be decanonized. I'm pretty sure literally anyone can grab a Duel of the Fates script, toss away the story desicions they don't like, replace them with their own, tweek it all a little bit and get a movie that is millions of times better than... whatever the hell this was.

[@alextownley9388]

God this sounds vastly superior to what we got in every way!! I enjoyed TROS, but there is no denying it’s a very lazily written film.

[@johnmainwaring6556]

Strangely I enjoyed it in the cinema but have no desire to re-watch. On reflection it is an absolute mess of a plot and the resurrection of the emperor is terrible.

[@gameislife3081]

Agreed, Fin needed to be a cohero,

[@clickboat4790]

I enjoyed it visually and the audio was nice, but the story was atrocious

[@mj3541]

I enjoyed when I first saw it too. But when I got back home I realized just how terrible the movie was.

[@ralphjmoeller]

JJ Abrams is great in creating a buzz for a movie. Hey, let’s have that Boyega guy with a lightsaber. Hey let’s have Gwendolyn Christie as a chromium trooper. Hey, let’s throw in Palpatine for good measure. What he is not great in is combining all these things into one coherent vision.

[@kenbrown2808]

*JarJar abrams

[@ryangriffiths5179]

Disney: let’s make Star Wars episode 7 Fans: hopefully it’s more like the original trilogy and not like the prequels Force Awakens comes out Fans: it’s too much like A New Hope - wish they did something different Last Jedi comes out Fans: it’s too different wish they made a movie that has all the stuff I wanted Rise of Skywalker comes out Fans: there was too much fan service

[@fatdinosaurfood8059]

Since when was there fan service for rise of sky walker?

[@ryangriffiths5179]

@@fatdinosaurfood8059 they brought back palatine, made Rey related to someone - just to name two

[@fatdinosaurfood8059]

@@ryangriffiths5179 that still just ruins the sacrifice Anakin made

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

@@fatdinosaurfood8059 there is fan service but I hated the sloppy writing and dialogue the most. Especially the stupid knife thing.

[@grimlord3181]

The Last Jedi wasn't really different at all.

[@starryagent9936]

I guarantee that the negative reviews from TLJ prompted Lucasfilm to oust Trevorrow and replace him with Abrams. See, Lucas didn’t heed the backlash from the prequels enough: Disney took it too literally, resulting in TROS. Motto from this: there are times when you DO listen to fans, and there are times when you DON’T

[@MatthewN8OHU]

I will have to agree with you. It would have made the sequel trilogy much better if Disney had ignored the more vocal critics of TLJ and let Trevorrow do what he wanted in the first place.

[@mikeor-]

Exactly! That was why the sequels failed, but the main reason was TLJ.

[@joermnyc]

@@mikeor- they failed because they worked on them one film at a time, there was no overarching vision for the ENTIRE trilogy, George Lucas did it for the prequels, and he even gave Disney his ideas for the sequel trilogy, but they threw them in the trash.

[@mikeor-]

@@joermnyc If Lucas did not plan the original trilogy, how did it work when the sequels didn't.

[@stephenramsey5585]

@@joermnyc Rian and Colin actually had been working together, largely off the work Lawrence Kasdan had been doing for episode 7. But when Kasdan pulled out Abrams was left to do all of 7 himself and Disney didn't give him the time to start over so he reverted, to a degree, to the greatest hits for TFA. Rian decided not to go back to the start amd rework his script from the ground up to incorporate JJ's version of 7, only changing what he had to to make it work. And then colin left. The problem wasn't that there was no plan, there was a plan, but two of the three imvolved were pushed out because of corporate meddling and their replacement had to rush his work both times.

[@GazE291977]

I think the biggest issue Lucasfilm had was that it would have required a recasting of Leia as she was very central to Trevorrow's story. The story itself was excellent and tied elements of Force lore from The Clone Wars in too. Such a shame it was binned in favour of TROS

[@Altar360]

Yeah, this and Episode 2 are my least favorite in the franchise. Episode 2 for how slow, boring and terribly handled the love story was, and Episode 9 for trying so hard to please everybody that they pleased nobody. Duel of Fates actually sounds awesome… shame they didn’t go through with it.

[@guitarsanddeathstars]

I agree Duel of the Fates would have been a much better movie although I really didn't like the whole Rey is in love with Poe thing. And personally I felt like both Rey and kylo should have died at the end making the end of Star Wars be also the end of the Jedi and the Sith. I really loved Reys double bladed lightsaber and Finns overall arch in it. Not sure what they would have done with Liea maybe just replace her with Lando? Or even Maz Kanata whom I thought should have been in the sequels alot more.

[@tylerthejetsuarez8902]

Rey and kylo aren't the last jedi and sith in the canon. So that ending wouldnt work.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@tylerthejetsuarez8902 they probably are tbh

[@simonpierre8283]

Kylo is not a sith

[@DTS_I]

@@oXRaptorzXo Visions says otherwise. They take place hundreds of years after the sequels.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@DTS_I visions is not canon

[@JPayne95]

I think seeing finn be "awakened" by the force and defecting would've been a better story than the trilogy we had, I feel like boyega would've made a really good force user/Jedi

[@fcf8269]

He was fine as it was; I liked the idea to have Rey to be the new protagonist; but instead of make Finn a janitor basically, they could have him continue to grow and as force user, hold his own against the enemies. He is a great character in the first movie that is totally wasted in the following movies

[@steffighter144]

@@fcf8269 exactly they could have made two jedi easily or even Poe could have joined (if he is force sensitive)

[@fcf8269]

@@steffighter144 Indeed; the point of those movies were supposed to be that anyone can make the difference, even if your family is not a "gifted one". They could have done so much more and instead we ended up with a trainwreck

[@hyperballadbradx6486]

No one sequel movie can be laid to blame.... the first was a reductive, the next was a manboy trying simply to be contrary, the last was tail between legs embarrassment. Let's just draw a line under them and even if we think they look pretty, sound good and had potentially good ideas, that the whole sequel arch is an artistic and cinematic failure.

[@michelangelo5903]

my favorite was how Ray can even stand in a battle with Kylo Ren who’s been training to be a sith lord and who was training to be a jedi even before that. and the obvious that they just destroyed luke skywalker

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@michelangelo5903 kylo was heavily injured and emotionally conflicted after killing his father

[@michelangelo5903]

@@oXRaptorzXo i understand that but i still think that Kylos training should 100% overpower RAy’s training no matter the scenario he was training to be a jedi for a long time and then training to be a sith lord for crying out loud! and he still got beat! either he sucks or she is OP

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@michelangelo5903 he was basically like darth maul in phantom menaces power level, except he was conflicted and heavily injured. He was going against a force user who is shown to be a great fighter, especially with melee weapons throughout the film. Also speaking of maul, why do people only call Rey a Mary Sue, and not other SW protagonists like Obi-Wan, a Jedi padawan who beat maul when even his master couldn’t? This has always been a thing in SW, it’s not a flaw, it’s just something you have to accept or else the stories won’t work.

[@michelangelo5903]

@@oXRaptorzXo Obi-Wan killed darth maul by a complete fluke he got his ass kicked he got lucky i don’t know how to convey it any better lol but he had the element of surprise on his team

[@fluffytoaster427]

I dunno guys, this sounds *marginally* better than what we got. It’s just clear no one at the table understood the blending of storytelling, fan service, and originality

[@thedadwars]

It’s a far superior script. Did you read it?

[@fluffytoaster427]

@@thedadwars Yeah, and it sounds awful. Shit compared to shit is still shit

[@thenige9146]

Jon Favreau should have done This trilogy. He is by far the best option. He understands what people want. He gets it. We didn’t have someone like that.

[@metalliholic]

I believe you mean Dave Feloni

[@MrChaz9999]

does he though, book of bobba was awful and so was bad batch. even obi wan almost got canned. lets not forget mandalorian and the final season of clone wars was full of "fill in" episodes. star wars is dead.

[@metalliholic]

@@MrChaz9999 this man speaks the true true

[@simonpierre8283]

@@metalliholic he made rebels nah

[@minicle426]

@@metalliholic Filoni is tiresomely overhyped by the fanbase. His obsession with Ahsoka alone is just grating.

[@s.kylejohnson7816]

Yes. Exactly right. Duel of the Fates needed some more editing, some of the ideas were not fully fleshed out, but it made much more sense thematically--giving some coherence to the sequel trilogy, and to the saga as a whole. Clearly, Disney didn't like the grey jedi direction. A compromise could have been: Not so much that balance is a balance between dark and light, but true "light" is not the dogmatic fundamentalism of the Jedi. In a sense, the prequel era Jedi had come close to the dark side with their lack of balance. In my mind, that makes more sense than a blend of dark and light. More that the Jedi had lost track of what the light is really about.

[@danielfrench2332]

Petition to get this version recorded and we ignore rise of Skywalker

[@Thunderstar-ky4tf]

I would love it, but am not sure actors would come back. John Bogoya kinda hates Disney for how Finn was screwed over and other actors aren't interested in coming back. However Affleck and Cavil said the same, but immediately came back when the Snyder cut was greenlit, so fingers crossed.

[@austintrousdale2397]

According to some interpretations of the first 2 seasons of The Mandalorian, Lucasfilm is softly de-canonizing the Sequel Trilogy as it further integrates "the Filoni-verse" into the overall story. The biggest wild card may be the World Between Worlds introduced in the last season of Rebels, which enabled Ahsoka to escape her lightsaber duel with Vader. It might be just wishful thinking, but Ahsoka's persisting beyond the OT timeline as well as Grogu joining Luke, presumably to be trained, would seem to at least set up the potential for events and character arcs to play out differently so that Luke wouldn't have to end up the self-exiled, failed, and bitter ex-Jedi whom Rey confronts at the conclusion of The Force Awakens.

[@tyrone5969]

I just realized how awesome a Disney+ spinoff series following the path Fin takes to become a jedi would be. He could traveling the galaxy training and finding old jedi temples and texts, learning the wisdom from when jedi truly were the guardians of of peace and democracy, and lost jedi skills. There could be a series with Rey finding a jedi holocron in Luke's cottage with a list of force sensitive kids, then traveling the world to find them all and bring them to a safe zone. After the the 2 first seasons are done, it could then become a multi season series where the two of them train a new generation of jedi, while traveling the galaxy spreading the knowledge of the jedi, and fighting dark force users. But, there's probably a reason I'm not a screenwriter.

[@panmush]

It could actually be a truer sequel to episode 8, showing that anyone can be “special”, Finn travelling to build not the old Jedi order, but something wholly new.

[@spiterz6466]

the only problem would be that they wouldn't be able to afford them

[@kingslayer011]

It would be trash nobody wants to see Finn because nobody cares about any of the sequel characters those were such bad movies.

[@LucidStrike]

@@kingslayer011 Nah, plenty of people easily recognize good characters used poorly. I mean, obviously there was an audience for Force-sensitive Finn, including John Boyega.

[@kingslayer011]

@@LucidStrike He wasn't even a good character he was boring as hell and incompetent. Maybe you like the idea of his character a stormtrooper turned jedi but being honest, stormtroopers shouldn't have existed in the sequels anyway. The empire was destroyed and gone and they shouldn't have had a knock off empire (first order) and no matter how good the characters were or the action these movies always would have sucked because they did the same rebels vs empire all over again and no one wanted to see that we wanted to see something new and interesting not a shitty ripoff of the original trilogy.

[@parker.e]

Honestly I believe that if they released this instead of rise of Skywalker the sequels would be 10 times better and it would fix them in a way to that they all made sense together

[@lookingforwookiecopilot]

I would have loved to see this ending.

[@rjphilla]

Basically EVERYTHING in Duel of The Fates was better. It should have been the movie.

[@grimlord3181]

Except the Gray Jedi.

[@Knocksley]

Should have stuck with Lucas’s story that they threw out

[@lukethegoldenminecart1297]

Personally the main thing I liked about the original Episode 9 is that Anakin’s lightsaber was never defiled by being buried in sand

[@theimaginarium]

Agree....blasphemy!!!

[@darthvader5532]

It was most offensive.

[@RSG_TheMonster]

Or Rey taking the Skywalker name

[@samborn7120]

Coruscant would’ve been a welcome story line.. If I had written the sequels, I would’ve put Palpatine on Korriban and we would’ve seen the Sith Temples.. So many possibilities wasted..

[@Deadpool_64]

I’d love to see a live action Korriban. I’ve been fascinated by that planet since KOTOR.

[@drointhewind480]

Palpatine should have been a force wraith, a sith ghost. He would have bee hopping bodies and Rey should have been the last body to inhabit

[@ianoag]

Or, to put it bluntly, JJ Abrams shouldn't have been let anywhere near the sequels . . . .

[@kenbrown2808]

he did better than he did remaking Star Trek.

[@markm9282]

I loved TFA, but yeah that should have been it. More like Rian Johnson shouldn't have been let anywhere near the sequels lol (but I get your point!)

[@ianoag]

Yeah ...that too ;)

[@Pantherblack]

... damnit, now I'm mad all over again. The movie we could have had...

[@markm9282]

lol me too....I know TFA was a rehash, but I loved it and was SOO excited for the rest of that triology. Then we get Episodes 8 and 9...yuck. What COULD have been :(

[@littledeez]

dang Rey with a duel lightsaber looks soo much cooler than what we got

[@azzaxjs]

even Micheal Bay would have made better Sequels than Abrams and Johnson managed

[@penguinfan67]

Let’s be honest the best part of Star Wars is the Jedi/lightsabers. NEEDED a great duel for the ending

[@Sephiroth144]

I don't know- Rogue One is sitting there... and the hallway scene ain't exactly a duel.

[@Hawkeye26]

Relegating Rose to a minor role was one of the BEST "ret-cons" that Rise of Skywalker did! That relationship was SO forced and ridiculous and about as comfortable as the thought of watching Jim Parsons try to flirt with the late great Stephen Hawking.

[@zandelscomicsandcards7543]

The Rise of Skywalker along with Alien Covenant imho proves my point that fan service is a VERY VERY BAD thing when it comes to storytelling. I know many people hated The Last Jedi but imho it was The Rise of Skywalker that almost destroyed the entire sequel trilogy.

[@SpecialAgentEBunny]

The sequel trilogy was destroyed. The Last Jedi left nowhere to go for 9. 9 tried to correct everything 8 did which made 9 somehow even worse than 8. 8 also retroactively ruined 7 since none of the set ups were paid off.

[@lowlsqwid]

I hate Rose because she "saved" Finn for both of them to be background characters in the next movie. Their romance seemed to come from nowhere and made TLJ even less cohesive or thought out than it would've been otherwise.

[@restock_1731]

Yeah, we got robbed.

[@starryagent9936]

Disney’s approach to IX was submissive as heck, that much I can agree with

[@xeenon___]

the part where Finn will lead a stormtrooper revolution actually gave me goosebumps

[@maxdykeman1010]

why are we not starting a petition to have duel of the fates be released as episode IXB. it would work. the fans would rejoice.

[@kingslayer011]

Because nobody cares about the sequels anymore, just accept that they're dogshit movies and move on. No way in hell would they ever get the cast together and go film this shit it has 0 chance of ever happening. It would be more likely for them to retcon the trilogy entirely and have it be some weird alternate universe and then make an actual sequel trilogy.

[@markabele8794]

I didn't know this story version existed. I sounds like a better episode story than the one we got.

[@MCR123321]

MUCH better. Finn's story arc is amazing going from lowly janitor/deserter to leader/liberator. Rey evolves in the final film fighting her way to the top with what should have been the _obvious_ choice for her lightsaber, the dual blade, considering her choice weapon in Episode 7 (a staff). Kylo isn't a rehashed Anakin arc of "good to bad back to good" but remains the tragic main villain. The book ending of Duel of the Fates fits so poetically, Coruscant at the end... Oof.. Letting Trevorrow go was a mistake.

[@clouddddddddddddddd]

“9 retconned and contradicted 8” yes, and 8 completely contradicted and course corrected 7. “9 didn’t have a lightsaber duel at the end, every other SW movie did.” You call Kyle Ren vs Lukes hologram more of a lightsaber fight than Rey vs Palpatine? Call a spade a spade. They both shat the bed.

[@kingslayer011]

Hahah I agree they were both terrible movies. Like how stupid is disney? It's STAR WARS literally the most popular part of star wars and the only reason it's so unique and famous is because of LIGHTSABERS and they had ONE decent lightsaber fight the entire trilogy and that was in the force awakens and then the other was in the rise of skywalker with rey and kylo but there was literally no music and it was so boring and you knew neither of them would die there so it was garbage. Literally it's not that hard all disney had to do was hire some expert choreographers and get john williams to make an epic soundtrack for the duels and make a ton of epic lightsaber duels and the movies would have been at least a hell of a lot more entertaining even if the story was still shit.

[@MykiiMescal]

nah cope and seethe

[@aidanmeikle3111]

we should petition for a 'colin trevorrow cut' like there was for zach snyders justice league

[@sasamichan]

IMO the BEST choice to make a good New Star Wars trilogy would be to have given the script to Timothy Zahn or adapted it from the old books brining as much of that back in to canon and also include set up started in the cartoon shows. if you can not do that just having ONE script broken in to THREE parts and filmed ALL three films back to back with out online feedback with out a 2nd director involved would have been the next best idea. not calling either film bad just saying we needs a single vision rather then two visions fighting each other. if I had to change the story to my vision or make small changes to the existing story that is a separate comment if asked.

[@jameshall9654]

AMEN 🙏🏾

[@jameshall9654]

Zahn even improved Thrawn with his new trilogies giving him a solid back story in the canon

[@sasamichan]

@@jameshall9654 the books really were superior though I did get lost some time after Vector Prime. There is no perfect version of the time line but I loved the books and if we can't have the books the next best idea would be to have filled all 3 back to back like LOTR did.

[@kingslayer011]

Some people can't stand the cartoon shows, including me, and some people don't have time to sit around and watch childrens shows. If they want to set something up in a show I would rather it be mandalorian style because so far that is the only kind of star wars show I have enjoyed and it's the only star wars material made by disney that is actually good.

[@sasamichan]

@@kingslayer011 If the cartoons were bad I would not use them to improve bad movies. and what if Mandalorian was animated and Clone Wars was Live Action? Point is there are characters on those shows that are way better at there jobs then Finn, Rey, and Rose.

[@kyledrury6396]

Glad you didn’t hold back; what was done with Rose was absolutely “placating racist and sexist trolls.”

[@elonmusket5676]

Yeah no that was all bollocks there is literally no evidence that that is why she deleted social media

[@AdultThirdCultureKid1971]

I feel for Rose and Kelly Marie Tran, who played her in TLJ and TROS.

[@JedForge]

@@elonmusket5676 And the criticism was for how the character felt shoehorned in. Just because a few idiots posted offensively doesn't mean all of the critics of Rose were racist. The overuse of the race card in places where it doesn't belong is a major reason why more progress can't be made in that area. Similar thing with initial criticisms of Boyega as a stormtrooper. It wasn't due to racism, it was due to a misconception where people believed all stormtroopers were clones of Jango Fett. Once you explain that clones had a shorter lifespan and most were dead by the time of the original trilogy, most of those critics were far more accepting. But it's easy to just call people you disagree with "racist" and that's the bandwagon that too many have jumped on.

[@inquirohaqq1472]

@@JedForge Dude, this is the accursed internet things get crazy fast, and fans were upset, like really upset. It wasn't a few racist, it wasn't a few sexist, it was hundreds of comments from bigots. An easy google search can show you, or if you really want harder proof, 4chan and 8chan. And are you seriously going to defend the racists that attacked John as " misconceptions"? The idea of no clones being used has been known for YEARS in the fandom. What is wrong with you?

[@JedForge]

@@inquirohaqq1472 I'm speaking in facts, while you have clearly given your thinking center to the mainstream media. 4chan as a source? LMAO!!!!!! And no, I never once defended a racist or sexist. That's you being a jackass and trying to word lawyer something that isn't there.

[@zooropa04]

This has officially joined William Gibson's Alien 3 script in the "Why couldn't we have gotten this instead?!?!" category.

[@Weyoun6]

The Last Jedi is trash. This is just another video picking on The Rise of Skywalker in order to deflect how the Last Jedi ruined Star Wars and split the fandom. I'm not saying The Rise of Skywalker is good, but it's merely a byproduct of the failure of The Last Jedi tearing the Star Wars universe apart. It's easy to make The Rise of Skywalker a punching bag, but the failures of The Last Jedi made a next film inevitably weak (having to fix the flaws and errors of Johnson & Kennedy)

[@oXRaptorzXo]

TROS completely undos the last Jedi which is a good film. If the internet hadn’t spent 2 years hating on it they would have continued where it left off

[@motor4X4kombat]

I preffer a story that works with the ups and downs of the franchise like the creed movies or cobra kai, than one that denies what happen in the last movies to make something completly worse like halloween kills or x-men dark phoenix.

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

The Last Jedi did a lot of interesting things. Where they somewhat mean spirited in their conception? Probably, but when it works it works. Examples..... Rey from nowhere was nice, it makes her story more interesting. Killing Snoke through trickery was brilliant, why? Because it was established that neither Rey nor Ren had a snowball's chance in hell of beating him in combat. Luke's hologram on Krayt was epic! continuing the grand tradition of him messing with his uppity darksider nephew. It also bears mention that his X-Wing was implied to be dead at the time, thanks for clearing that up JJ ( -_-) All that said I do wish that there wasn't so much purposeless padding, the sheer idiocy of how Rey's abilities were handled is astonishing, and Admiral Holdo was so very very annoying.

[@andrewpayne5093]

The good thing about Colin Trevorrow is that he writes his movies as a fan and not some shit writer just after some quick money. He watched movies as a kid and is now writing things as how he’d imagine other fans would love. Just like Jurassic world trilogy he did them as a fan who grew up watching the originals a kid

[@PaulMcElligott]

I think that Lucas should have made episodes 7, 8, & 9 in the 1990s instead of the prequels, taking advantage of Mark, Carrie, and Harrison while they were still relatively young and giving us their characters in their primes.

[@puellamservumaddominum6180]

True or not wasted his time redoing the original special editions. It took 1 year to add Jabba to 4 . Not even going to mention the stupid making Han shoot second.

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

I'm glad they didn't, we wouldn't have most of the old EU if they had.

[@PaulMcElligott]

@@matthewbreytenbach4483 We just would have had a different EU.

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

@@PaulMcElligott I know, I just like the one we have.

[@benthecat4345]

I kinda wonder what would've happened if Disney didn't go behind Abrams and cut a bunch of stuff from TRoS or not be able to keep a director Also, they should've made Rey be Kylo's sister which would've made the dyad they had make much more sense than having them be the grandkids of the emperor and his pawn

[@Alex-ng6hc]

Although I liked The Rise of Skywalker, this film that Colin Trevorrow intended certainly sounded more climactic

[@mj3541]

What is there to like about it?

[@lpycb42]

Omg Rey with the double blue saber and Kylo with a single red one opposing the fight from Episode I…maybe I’m a simple woman but how poetic.

[@luketoothman70]

No disrespect to JJ, but Why the hell did we not get this movie?!?

[@naghs2726]

honestly if they just went into the sequel trilogy with one consistent vision it wouldve been better than what we got

[@dayontapout]

Id watch the hell out of Dual of the Fates!!!

[@AdultThirdCultureKid1971]

So would I! ☺️

[@Thematt11]

As much as EVERYTHING bugs me about that film what truly bugs me is that apparently when the X-Wing was designed one of its key features was an ability to be immersed in salt water for years on end and then just be dragged out and start on the button.

[@datastorm75]

While doing better than Episode 9 is a very low bar to clear, this treatment is particularly interesting.

[@ACOLYTEBLOWS]

You loved Last Jedi? Was that the first star wars movie you had ever seen?

[@NMages20]

I got goosebumps thinking about Duel of the Fates playing while Rey and Kylo fought

[@Samdoesstuff978]

If we actually get Collin's cut ,that would be sick!

[@TheE1st]

I would love a remake of the sequel trilogy, where its actually good

[@paulcastro769]

When I first saw the opening scene with Kylo Ren in Episode IX I was thinking that planet was Dathomir.

[@NorthGaReptile]

They should've let Lawrence Kasdan and John Knoll write the entire story of the sequel trilogy FIRST, then break it down into three movies like, you know, the other Star Wars trilogies.

[@ZizakChitak]

I went and rewatched Jenny Nicholson's script reading after this video popped up on my feed randomly. I think the best question to ask is: Which version is worse? The Trevorrow script is absolutely terrible. A lightsaber guillotine? Really? "Hux realizes the tragic truth: he lost the star wars."

[@Kiyosuki]

If they played duel of the fates but had the protagonist wielding a double saber instead that could have been a neat flip around.

[@opinionatedWrestling]

Trevorrow hadn’t seen endgame yet, therefore he couldn’t rip it off in the finale

[@nealbarrett4500]

And to think Finn almost became a good adaptation of Kyle Katarn’s story. There are definitely some neat concepts in that script. It’s a shame Kathleen and JJ blew it so hard. Well never get another shot at a good sequel trilogy ever again. All we have to look forward to now are the side characters created by George, Dave and Jon.

[@kevboard]

with retcon sequels being a thing now, like Halloween for example, I wouldn't say we will never get another shot. Retcon the whole thing and start from Episode 6

[@kierenmoore3236]

Holy crap, DOTF sounds 1,000 times better than anything Disney could have ever produced … 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

[@TheMeJustMe75]

The last two Star Wars movies were nothing but a full diaper that splatted on the floor. I refused to see Rise of Skywalker in the theater. It took me breaking the movie up into three pieces to finish it in Disney Plus. I couldn't sit through it at one time. It made my head hurt from how bad it was. My son watched the first part with me and said "This is boring!"

[@Charlie94781]

The emperor’s fleet of Mega Destroyers would have converted the haphazard gaggle of rebel and civilian ships into melted scrap

[@matthewphilip2609]

I feel like as long as episode 9 was good it could have saved the entire trilogy. They could remake this script into a movie just like they did with the Snyder Cut I would pay anything to see that

[@chrisp...chicken1038]

If u think a qulliotine or suicide would be too dark for Disney they showed snoke get cut in half... in my opinion that's more gruesome than a hand cut off

[@alabamaguns3684]

I would've loved to have seen Rey with a dual lightsaber. Which was hinted at since the beginning....

[@Gundesalf]

One thing it did wrong: the balance was restored, but Disney wanted to squeeze more juice from that old orange, so, trick people into believing a new orange is the same old one and call it a sequel.

[@jj-sc1kq]

I'm not sure that would have been enough to save the sequel trilogy in my eyes. But it is pretty cool.

[@HatManGames]

"Kelly Marie Tran deserved better" from everybody, its true.

[@pablorosario5232]

How lucky my alternate self from the alternate reality to see and enjoy this version of star wars

[@benjaminguzman8645]

Wow, Collin Trevorrow's Episode IX actually looks like a far better movie than the one we got. Which is amazing considering this is the same guy responsible for the Book of Henry and the Jurassic World movies.

[@PseudoNym13]

Duel of the fates would have brought it literally full circle But no we get rey palpatine They fly now!? Snoke is just some malformed mind puppet clone of palpatine Somehow palpatine returned

[@theTruthLifeNWay]

My Star Wars Blu Ray collection contains everything bar The Last Jedi and Rise Of Skywalker, can't even have them near my Hard Drive

[@garibaldilebeau]

Interesting that much of this could still be made into a part 8.5 - just take the final fates of characters and the definitive ending out and they could still give us this now DO IT DISNEY!!!

[@austintrousdale2397]

DEW IT

[@MrTubetits]

My god this sounds a million times better than what we got, so much so it's kind of depressing. This sounds like it could have wrapped up the sequels perfectly .. I hate this timeline.

[@BlackbirdSkyline]

I can’t help but think that the Sequel Trilogy would be better if it didn’t exist

[@corpsedesecrator2612]

I would have much rather prefer this to have been the movie because this doesn’t straight up devalue the Prequels and OG Trilogy like rancid feculent garbage movie ros did. Colin Trevorrow is actually a good director unlike jj anus and roundhead johnson don’t get me wrong the damage is already done with tfa and tlj but I actually enjoy this script I still have a problem with Tor Valum being Darth Plagueis and Palpatine’s Master because as an EU fan it insults Darth Tenebrous Legacy even though he’s not canon in this iteration so I’d say just have him be something else entirely not affiliated with The Order Of The Sith aka Rule Of 2 Sith but another faction, you can have the decades old Holocron of Emperor Palpatine tell Vader to investigate the mysterious Dark Side energy that is Tor Valum. Though its not perfect its still much better than all the shitty sequel entries.

[@bradlarson474]

What would have been better in The Rise of Skywalker was if Darth Plagueis would have been the Sith Lord of the movie. Not Palpatine. That was lame!

[@charleslennonbaker]

I wonder (bear with me) if a "Legends" novella could be written for the fans regarding the ideas in this dumped script. Yes, I know Legends isn't canon, and it's not what Disney 'wants' but come on, we have the plot(s), the sketches, and a fanbase...it would be sweet.

[@phoqueme]

Idk if it was Trevorrow's script (i think there was another one? If not then it was Trevorrow's) that actually "redeemed" General Hux's HORRIBLE writing lmao. As an obsessive admirer of Darth Vader and the emperor (collecting artifacts from them), he absolutely hated Kylo and was envious of him for being both a descendant of Vader and powerful in the Force when he himself wasn't Force-sensitive. This little detail even explains his betrayal.

[@FlightLizard]

It wasn't some random "racist trolls" that killed Rose and Finn's big stories off. It was the almighty yuan that Disney was chasing. China is pretty awful about a lot of this stuff, but apparently, them being the 3rd largest movie watching audience means you have to placate them and all their shitty politics.

[@stillsearching1284]

They should make this movie, even if only in cartoon form.

[@niceone9145]

The thing that really makes me hate the rise of skywalker the most is the fact that everything that happens leads to that film. Doesn't matter how good the original trilogy is cos now whenever I watch them I just know that all these characters stories and everything ends with rise of skywalker.... Doesn't matter how mental them lightsaber fights were or how compelling lukes story was because it all leads to the big bad dying because some random Mary sue pulls a second lightsaber out to block his lightning.... Idk how star wars can redeem this without retconning a large majority of the sequel trilogy

[@Voulton_S.]

I WANT THIS FILM!!! Is there someway to integrate this into the Expanded Cannon, cuz although TROS was okay this seems so much better!

[@gypsyboy316]

Why don’t they release a novelisation of his story. That’d be epic

[@blove88]

Hell I'd take a full graphic novel of this

[@vish3510]

Closest Ive found was this, looks great but very loosely tied to it. Explains everything at the top and between issues.

[@hulax9858]

If they just had the same director, even if they were bad they would've been so much better than getting so many conflicting thoughts on how the sequels should go

[@gameral4235]

The only bad part of the script is the tor valum part, it's like literally everybody forgot about darth plaigus. And before any of the angry replys say that darth plaigus does not exist in Canon, he is. He's mentioned in revenge of the sith and its heavily implied in the same scene that he trained palpatine

[@tritonk1759]

Tor Valum would've been Plagius' master.

[@TheKulu42]

I would have made Finn a TIE fighter pilot. In his first encounter with Poe, they shoot each other down. Once downed, he sees beyond his cockpit for the first time and realizes that he's been on the wrong side.

[@myfinalheaven333]

The Last Jedi was interminable SJW virtue signalling crap. Rise of Skywalker was just the studio throwing everything they could at the wall, frantic to get disgusted fans to come back to the theater to see the third one. "LOOK! Space Battles! At-Ats! Palpatine! Please! We're sorry! 😭"