How Star Wars Goofed - Let Me Explain Rise of Skywalker

[@nickmilligan3662]

Boggles my mind that they didn’t have a plan laid out for the trilogy before they started filming

[@ihvojd]

Nick Milligan yeah they paid a billion dollars from George Lucas, were planning to make sequels from Star Wars, and just drop planning the movies on JJ’s shoulders IN A FEW YEARS!!

[@samuelstephens6904]

Not having some master plan wasn’t the problem. It was a lack of commitment to any overarching ideas or approach for this new trilogy. The whole thing reeks of indecisiveness and artistic cowardice.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Yes... Lord of the Rings films, Peter Jackson won MORE AWARDS & praise than any other film trilogy in history.

[@BrigadierGinger]

It certainly explains everything. I liked all three movies(yeah yeah), but it was painfully evident that they were playing this whole thing by ear, completely forgetting they were all deaf. There was plenty of potential in all three movies that was either wasted due to poor planning or thrown out completely to try to appease as many people as possible. It's a real shame.

[@LeeEverett1]

But they DID have somewhat of a plan, JJ wrote drafts for 8 and 9 and had ideas on where the characters would go in his vision. But Rian came in and threw the scripts in the trash and what we got was that abomination TLJ. So then JJ threw Rian's ideas in the trash and what we got was ROS.

[@hughhoney2345]

Rey blows up a transport ship with Force Lightning but Palpatine can’t blow up all the Resistance ships with the biggest Force Lightning Strike in the History of Force Lightning...

[@stephyworld8713]

🤣

[@uplock_]

He actually used force Storm, which is way more powerful than lightning. So that just makes it worse lol

[@matthewspinazze4118]

j007lane nerd

[@williamwebb580]

Matthew Spinazze says the person watching a Star Wars video.

[@uplock_]

William Webb yes because watching a video about a movie makes you a nerd.

[@AdityaSingh-lp5rp]

"this blade... It's done terrible things" Well Rey you're holding the youngling killer 9000

[@CJ-1776]

Never caught that but yeah, Anakins saber is like Freddy Kreugers knife glove. Lol good catch. 👍🏻

[@s.f3778]

Boring joke

[@winnieway27]

@@s.f3778 no u

[@s.f3778]

@@winnieway27 there is no way for rey to know that anakin killed children with that saber, also the comment was so overused that it lost its funny

[@winnieway27]

@@s.f3778 fair enough

[@TheIconicHat]

Chewie: "Wurrrahhhh Wharrrrrr!!!" Translation: *"All my friends are dead, push me to the edge..."*

[@deviyonyoung3124]

Damiano Smith 😂

[@stephyworld8713]

🤣🤣🤣

[@smokeedinero]

I'm dead 😆

[@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845]

+1

[@Cheffingtondathirdorso27]

At least he got his medal.....yay

[@dAddled00dle]

Why is no one talking about the Death Star like how tf that thing even be mildly intact it literally got disintegrated!!!

[@WGDN05]

-dAddleD00dle - there were small parts of debree but I do agree it was far to big to be intact

[@overhitss]

IKR

[@Karl_Scharl]

?

[@AaronAlert77]

-dAddleD00dle - Id say the shot of it exploding was far away and human eyes can’t even comprehend something that large at a distance it’s the size of a moon so it makes sense that we didn’t see certain pieces stay intact

[@plaguemaster308]

@@AaronAlert77 There has been debree from the second death in other star wars media

[@TheBuckbennyrides]

The "Rey" trilogy made me appreciate the depth of writing in jar jar binks.

[@jesterssketchbook]

meesa has an identifiable character yuh?

[@smithical100]

I think jar jar would have been fine if it wasn't for the stupid voice. Seriously, just give him subtitles and make jar jar speak jibberish and a lot of my beefs with him disappear. The entire "sound like a Jamaican retard" is not a good sound.

[@namelesssomebody2557]

Palpatine Saga

[@ShapeshiftingForestFae]

Jar Jar actually had some character development in the movies and Clone Wars, unlike Rey, and she got "her trilogy"

[@icfr0st78]

The sequels make even jar jar look good and that's really saying something

[@LordHollow]

Her level of power was never the issue. Her mastery of that power was.

[@kevinclark9176]

This.

[@quanitawinters-tyler3770]

Because she was tapping into Ben's skill set the whole time. When she figured out the Force in TFA, when she was fighting in TLJ, up until she was trained. Kylo/Ben taught her everything she knew through their connection. That was the more interesting thing they created that they shat on, IMO. How the Force was fed up with everyone's BS and wanted balance so much that it connected two beings on opposing sides that really had a lot in common.

[@pygar256]

Would we be questioning this if it was a "him" Jedi instead of a her? I feel like we wouldn't.

[@jessyowens7006]

​@@pygar256 You're just creating an imaginary situation to feel better about people pointing out a character flaw. Grow up.

[@tmartinez32]

@lordhollow perfectly stated. It is not an issue of sex, it is an issue of lore.

[@Flufferz626]

I remember when I first saw Force Awakens in theaters and the opening scene with Rey encapsulated everything that was "Star Wars." Zero dialogue, awesome music, nice settings, showing who Rey was and her daily routine for years was absolutely amazing and made me feel like I was watching something substantial in this universe. It was all downhill from there.

[@shack8110]

Yes, I remember thinking "this is interesting, what interesting story is going to happen to this character?". As I continued watching I kept saying "that's dumb" and "that doesn't make any sense", starting with how did Han and Chewie show up on the Millenium Falcon 5 minutes after it left Jakku for the first time in 3 decades?

[@Omgshoes017]

it was a Black Diamond runaway tobaggan after that 😩👌🏼💯

[@Marmocet]

For me, it all started going wrong right at the opening text crawl of TFA. I thought, "Wait, so the Empire is basically back but just rebranded? How the hell did that happen? Wasn't The Republic back in power after ROTJ? Wouldn't The Republic have been extra vigilant specifically about something like The Empire reemerging? And wtf is "The Resistance"? Is this Orange Man Bad in space? Or are we right back to The Rebellion vs The Empire again? What the hell happened in this galaxy that caused this hard reset?"

[@twooty2148]

Out of all the questions you gave the only thing I can say is that the republic blew up lmao

[@diiii_mond]

And she felt relatable too. She actually felt like a human being just trying to survive. Now she’s miss perfect with zero flaws does no wrong and zero character development, and on top of that, her personality traits are plain and untouchable so she is literally the most uninteresting character.

[@la_gobba_di_aigor]

Mark Hamill liked this "last trilogy" the same way Robert Pattinson liked twilight.

[@DraconicDuelist]

Ouch. True, but ouch.

[@katakesh8566]

I think Pattinson liked Twilight more than Hamill liked this trilogy, mostly based on hiw Luke was handled

[@warmachine5912]

His 1st load of comments were true, then disney paid him a huge amount of money to take it all back.

[@NyJoanzy]

No one in twilight went to bat for the directir the way Hammel did for Ryan Johnnson "I'm firmly in Ryan's camp" - Mark Hammel

[@DraconicDuelist]

@@NyJoanzy Contractual obligations make you say many things that are technically true by the way it's said, but not in the full spirit. Saying "I'm firmly in __'s camp." could just mean "I'm working with them and tying to mitigate damage, if I leave it could get worse." or "I love how this guy does things and am sticking with him." Until Hamill writes his biography or is safe from Disney legal, we may never know his full meaning, but he really didn't like the Sequel and was quite vocal despite having to be more discreet.

[@KesumaofEO]

I am genuinely surprised that Kylo ren ended up being the best thing about the new trilogy

[@mobddd]

LOL, Kylo is a massive emo.

[@concrete_dog]

I think Adam Driver is a great actor which is commendable, but yeah his character wasn't written very well. His arc is extremely predictable, if you can even call it an arc. But again, that's not his fault.

[@vizz00]

That’s cuz he is actually a really great character, well written and consistent in the story, unlike the others in the trilogy.

[@vizz00]

Forrest Mcgee he really doesn’t

[@MrSpqr84]

I agree, however they could have done him so much better, being the best from a story with some of the lamest characters and old characters being put on the back burner ain't saying much

[@budgetlifter]

Imagine buying a company for 4 Billion but not being able to write a cohesive story

[@Ramsey276one]

Money cannot buy class Or creativity OR INTELLIGENCE AND COMMON SENSE IS SO RARE WE MIGHT END UP BUYING BOOSTER PACKS FOR IT!

[@Thagyr]

It was a set of films directed by demographic surveys and merchandising, not a director.

[@Slender_Man_186]

Imagine having a story already written by the guy you bought the company from, and not using it. If it succeeds, you get money, if it fails, well you didn’t write it. But instead they throw away the story treatments.

[@OneofInfinity.]

No need to use imagination, its a reality the last few years, flop after flop just to please a vocal minority that does not even go see the movies nor care about them combined with untalented writers that blame everyone but themselves.

[@marsupialmole3926]

@@Slender_Man_186 To be fair, doubling down on midichlorians is probably an even worse idea than just not having an idea at all. A better idea than whatever Rian was thinking, but even then, not by much

[@lunasmoon8]

Why is no one talking about Palpatine’s normal ass son who had Rey? Why was he just a normal guy but Rey was this super weapon of a Jedi?

[@zaprese]

Kieko I thought it was his daughter.

[@xgamerx4279]

Reys dad was palpatine but ok, Disney confirmed it (the father was a failed clone)

[@hannahpreece3651]

Ignacio Jimenez Anglin Senator Palpatine was already married in the first prequel movie. Rey was Palpatine’s failed clone’s daughter. So maybe it skipped a generation. Or maybe she got it from her mother Kenobi’s own daughter who rescued Palp Junior. It’s as decent a story as the sequels.

[@DeletedUserwqDaOxzQ]

@@xgamerx4279 But the movie literally said "You're a Palpatine. You're Palpatine's granddaughter". Wtf is this shit disney??

[@xgamerx4279]

Johnathan yeah idk how they’re doing things because it’s also confirmed that reys dad was a failed clone of palpatine so that’s why he was killed

[@whatsitcalled8937]

Is it sad that I enjoy snl’s kylo ren skits more than the actual sequel trilogy

[@bryguysays2948]

It was serious and funny at the sametime. The trilogy had neither, just fancy smancy CGI

[@JS-10]

No, it's awesome

[@300mirrors]

Same, that's the best part of the sequels.

[@fishea]

Undercover Kylo Ren: One of these days, you’ll be as good a pilot as Kylo Ren TIE Pilot: Kylo Ren?!? Naw, I wanna fly like Luke Skywalker Undercover Kylo Ren: «Light-Saber Stabs TIE Pilot»

[@elmaestroco]

Really ? Better than Babu frik ?

[@FreyaEinde]

As a person who cares about storytelling in general the fact that there was no layout or backbone to the story is the most insulting thing to the fans. Like the fact that Disney was assured money on this project means they didn’t need to try to secure basic competence and this is the biggest problem with their growing monopoly.

[@santana8797]

FreyaEinde Disney movies been pretty lackluster only ones that was bringing bread and were kinda good was avengers

[@FreyaEinde]

@@santana8797 No, lie. Those are the only reason I didn't say all Disney movies have been lackluster this last decade in case of naysayers. The Marvel team is clearly invested in constructing a cohesive universe.

[@santana8797]

FreyaEinde Facts my guy but like they been lacking on original content it’s just sad because many of their movies were good only other one I can say was great was Toy story 4.

[@FreyaEinde]

@@santana8797 Yeah Pixar, is keeping them buoyed as well.

[@santana8797]

FreyaEinde Always considered Pixar it’s own thing because they still tell good stories and don’t just do movies for cash grabs

[@briannawilliamson7985]

i have two questions: -why doesnt rey look like palpatine -who boinked palpatine. i gotta know. i gotta know

[@foofieviolet]

brianna marie williamson apparently, according to the rise of skywalker novelization (and this is no joke, I've seen it in writing), Rey's father was a 'failed clone' of Palpatine, therefore his 'son'? But apparently said failed clone did concieve naturally through the normal boinking method. However as we saw in the flashbacks, they didn't even try to hide the fact that Palpy's failed clone didn't look anything like him!!!! This is the most ridiculous explanation of anything I have ever heard. Also I heard this through the grapevine so I have no proof this is actually true, but the publishing date for the novelization got pushed back because the author and one of the actors got into an argument on wether or not their character died. 🤦‍♀️ my guess is that it was Adam Driver for one of two reasons 1) I worked so damn hard on this role for 6 years and Ben Solo's death made no narrative sense and was horribly unemotional and pathetic 2) please. Please kill me. Permanently! I do not want to ever have even the slightest chance of coming back to this shit fest, I'm a twice nominated academy award actor I have better things to do with my time if you're literally going to backtrack all my character development and then give me the dumbest death in cinema history, besides Rey's. The force lightening didn't even touch her, why did she die?

[@briannawilliamson7985]

@@foofieviolet good christ the new trilogy needs help and better outlining lmao

[@leodouskyron5671]

1) Grand children rarely look much like grands as much as the parents look like the children 2) Palpitine has the power of the Force compel the weak of mind and was the Emperor (with both wealth to be you to wanting say yes and the evil king’s power kill you and your family if you say no) Really simple. ThT part I did not even bat an eye at. There were way WORST in the trilogy and who could keep up with this disaster.

[@FLK-BC]

I keep having nightmare visions of Palpatine boinking and shouting "UnLimited POWER!!!!" as he climaxes 😱

[@isaac_759]

she's a palpatine clone, either that or im reading the book wrong

[@aussiewanderer6304]

I was hoping that Rey had been a fully trained Sith who'd had her memory wiped so she could get close to Luke and the Resistance, with her final choice to make is whether to have her memory restored and join Palpatine, or let her past self go and stay with her friends. It's a bit Total Recall-esque, but it would have explained why she was so good at everything.

[@calliph]

that's nearly the exact plot of 'the old republic'.

[@emmabnormal2582]

Sounds cool but also similar to the plot of 'Blindspot'

[@siriusmeixiu]

Rey-van

[@A-Dubs398]

I always thought the same thing, it would make sense of her overpowerness, except she should be been a secret clone of Luke's daughter, so this movie is actually about the Skywalkers.

[@talkingcontroller9396]

Darth Revan

[@clairejacobs205]

“This movie rushes faster than Andrew Neiman”. I understood that reference.

[@davidbjacobs3598]

Or was he dragging?

[@andbo7937]

Claire Jacobs who asked tho

[@lemonjames8803]

These Nuts he’s just commenting, shut up

[@andbo7937]

RedRover did I ask tho

[@raizereaper4697]

These Nuts Not quite my tempo

[@philsonslament9955]

Why did Palpatine even make a Death Star...twice...if he could’ve just built star destroyers with planet killing tech?

[@fromthechocolatebuttamel9152]

Philsons Lament exactly what I was thinking smh🤦‍♂️

[@diiii_mond]

More importantly...why does every other Star Wars movie always have planet killing shit

[@philsonslament9955]

and more importantly, since they obviously have these, why didnt they just destroy Crait when the rebels landed there instead of engaging in a battle on the surface. the laser to bust the gate was literally "miniature death star tech". i dont blame RJ, i still blame JJ for retroactively making this part seem absurd

[@1991obelisk]

Philsons Lament Oh wow! Great question!🤯

[@teomanmetehan7469]

Why do all these shit have such flaws? Why are all Star Destroyers dependent on a single ship to be able to navigate?

[@johndonaldson3619]

SPOILER ALERT - The real villain in the movie was DISNEY!

[@judsongaiden9878]

@not hen Is Disney the Empire or the Trade Federation?

[@TheJrodimusPrime]

🤣

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Disney bought the Star Wars to kill off the OT characters & script. They did not want to pay Lucas the huge licensing fees 💲.

[@loganmarrin31]

It was all a bad dream

[@mythicalcats]

l marrin02 i wish

[@raytan956]

The fans want closure. The directors want to please. The studio just wants money.

[@yourlocaltheatrekid900]

Ray Tan studios the only one who won here

[@mungus5273]

Closure happened in 83 everything else was just for money. I do agree with ur comment tho

[@raytan956]

@@yourlocaltheatrekid900 yep strate fax

[@toukie]

Problem is, the closure one fan wants has nothing to do with the closure another fan wants. Trying to please everyone is, to my opinion, what killed this trilogy. They started with giving JJ full creative liberties and he did a carbon copy of the 4th movie. the louder fans cried that it was a rehash and nothing was new. Then Rian Johnson had creative liberties and he went the complete opposite. Again, loudest fans cried that it was too different and their (as if they own them and only their opinion mattered) characters were too different. So Disney removed the creative liberties of Colin (I think his name is colin) and said we'll take it from here. They went on social media and check everything the fans said they wanted to see. They filmed THOSE scenes and then built a script around it. That's my take. And to me, hey, it's still star wars. I can cry, and yell and curse that all they want is money and they don't care about fans and all that sh*t but let's be real here. When they decide to pick up this thread again (not IF but WHEN) I will be the first in line to buy a ticket. Because it's Star Wars.

[@emberfist8347]

@@toukie Well what Disney is making is not Star Wars. It ceased to be Star Wars the moment they decided not to have The Skywalkers as the main characters.

[@thextremekittenmdj]

I legitimately hate JJ Abrams. Maybe not as a person, but his choices. I've been watching Star Wars since I was a little kid and he kind of just crushed my heart with TROS. It makes me mad that everything was for this.

[@shack8110]

Yes, noone can explain the point of the sequel trilogy as can be done with the OT. Plans for ultimate superweapon fall in farm boy's lap who teams up with wise old sage etc. etc. Someone explain the point of the Disney trilogy for me, please?

[@gigi-ux7wb]

yu stu there’s a point to the new trilogy?

[@shack8110]

@@gigi-ux7wb If there is, I don't know what it is. I thought maybe someone who says they 'liked' The Force Awakens could explain for me. The story of the original trilogy is perfectly clear was the point of my post.

[@Versailles18]

They undid everything that Anakin did and went through. Anakin is no one in this new cannon. Rey is the new chosen one, she is the one that defeats Palpatine, she is the most powerful "Skywalker"... For fuck sake, the acting and dialogue in the prequels may have been meh but it at least had a story and made sense in the lore.

[@nickj7335]

madapult nah nah nah JJ had a whole trilogy planned out, but then the fucker Rian Johnson screwed It up

[@turdblaster923]

Disney in 2021: We now declare the Original Trilogy as *non canon.* Disney in 2027: We now declare the Prequel Trilogy as *non canon.* Disney in 2036: We now declare all of Star Wars as *non canon.*

[@ellietomiko5405]

Wtf lmaoooo

[@Joassh]

Bruhhh loool

[@TheLunablackheart]

HAHAAHAHAH

[@neegas3490]

😂

[@JVBKing]

Disney in 2040: Star wars XXI, the final battle between Darth Binks and C3PO

[@LankyDutchman]

"At least GOT didn't do what Star Wars did and backtrack." Jamie Lannister sends his regards.

[@franks8462]

that one still hurts

[@LankyDutchman]

@@franks8462 100. The only explanation I can think of is D&D looked at each other and said "how can we destroy one of the best character arcs ever portrayed on TV?"

[@Kevin-zh8ii]

LankyDutchman they just couldn’t handle orginal ideas. From season 6 on the books where over with their story so D&D had to come up with a story. That’s why the last two seasons where bad

[@LankyDutchman]

@@Kevin-zh8ii totally, it exposed them for the hack writers they are.

[@CharlieSoze]

@@franks8462 Fantastic comment.

[@bysh9077]

Stupidest part of the movie... Random person: What is your name? Rey: I'm Rey Random person: Rey what? Rey: Rey Skywalker All Star Wars fans: *face palm*

[@aldrei3842]

oh we're using made up names im spider man

[@deadshot5007]

No no the stupidest part is the fans like you that don't understand this movie and this scene.

[@nate6385]

@@deadshot5007 she should have said, coming to accept who she was,

[@nate6385]

*should have said “palpatine”

[@deadshot5007]

@@nate6385 No why? Her parents weren't called like that so why would she call herself like that?

[@siddsakkik]

Watching GOT and then StarWars end in such a clusterfck I certainly am glad how Infinity War and EndGame ended.

[@kenpachi465]

Star Wars is a Space-Opera, not a Superhero film. Star Wars has always been about family and subverting the audience.

[@siddsakkik]

Blake L but when you consider the burden these finale have , it was no infinity war but still was a great send off .

[@dianak8656]

End game S U C C Jk it's alright but not nearly as good as infinity war

[@kenpachi465]

@@dianak8656 They are two different genres.

[@21swords76]

kenpachi465 just because it subverted our expectations doesn’t mean it’s good.

[@EverydayInTerabithia]

"and then he gets an 'on your left'" FORREAL WHEN I WATCHED THAT PART I THOUGHT I WAS WATCHING THE WRONG MOVIE YALL, I THOUGHT IT WAS ENDGAME like wtf disney, be more creative smh

[@lenxHD]

"I am all the sith!" "and i... I am all the Jedi!" Literally endgame......

[@TGCgames]

Lenx both of these movies would have been made at the same time, it’s 100% coincidence

[@Dargonhuman]

@@TGCgames Yea, except "On your left" has been a running joke (heh) in the MCU since Civil War, which was years ago.

[@maureen3491]

Dargonhuman I think it started in tws when falcon first gets introduced

[@oo4758]

@@Dargonhuman it's been a thing since The Winter Soldier. Personally one of my favorite character introductions of all time.

[@thecookiecrumbler3501]

If palpatine had said “UNLIMITED POWER!” I would have forgivin the trilogy for it’s crimes

[@mitchellbailey6258]

You also need dew it to atone for the two crap films of the trilogy

[@mirzahamzabaig5667]

Or maybe it should have ended like.. "Rey who?" "Rey THE SENATE!"

[@adityabhalekar3506]

that would not be enough

[@elharvey5032]

More like if Anakin Skywalker made an appearance and killed Palpatine saving the galaxy in the process then maybe i could've forgiven the film

[@iananderson4754]

I can imagine him saying it while absorbing the dyad thingamajig.

[@thecosmonaut4221]

They should’ve given more time in between movies man or you know........ actually plan out the trilogy in a property they paid $4 billion for

[@darthsader7089]

Maybe stick with Tervorrow's script?

[@calmgoodfire4662]

Disney:I do need capital

[@mateom1691]

Well considering that The Force Awakens made 2 Billion, The Last Jedi made 1 Billion, and Rise of Skywalker made 1 Billion at the box office, they definitely got that 4 Billion back. And that’s not even including Rogue One, Solo, merchandise, Galaxy’s Edge And all the people who got Disney+ just to watch The Mandalorian.

[@thecosmonaut4221]

Pascual Morales lets not forgot how much each film was made for, not to mention also how much they put into marketing

[@mateom1691]

Nano Jurassic If we’re adding up each movies budget, which are all around the 200M mark with the exception of TFA which was a budget of 306M, that equals to about a Billion dollars of money spent on the franchise. Obviously advertising was a cost so it ups the price significantly but let’s just do a rough estimate. 1Billion and a half dollars spent on creating and marketing the films, subtracted from the 4 billion that all of the movies made is still around 3 billion dollars. If there’s one thing I do know about merchandise, it’s that you can make a plush toy or a T Shirt for about two or three dollars and sell it for twenty. That’s a huge monetary gain for Disney because merchandise is constantly being sold regardless of what one feels about the franchise. You’re still very likely to buy Darth Vader’s lightsaber for fifteen or twenty dollars, which benefits Disney nonetheless. Therefore the amount of money they’re making is honestly too big a number to fathom. And I would hate to be the person who has to keep up with all of it.

[@ivandekad7249]

I despise the whole marketing of this film by Disney as "The Epic Conclusion to a 40+ Year Story!!!" No. You bought this already billion dollar franchise and household name just 7 years ago. You went in without any basic structure or overall plan. You threw out years and years of expanded universe lore and stories so that you wouldn't be "bogged down" by lore. You hired 3 different directors who each had free reign to do WHATEVER they wanted(with only 2 years to work), until it started screwing with your bottom line. You tried to pump out a film every year until the disaster that was Solo, and only then did you pump the brakes. Honestly for me, the real "Skywalker Saga" is just the original trilogy and the prequels, which at least always feels like George and his team's vision. The sequel trilogy at best feels like a genuine attempt to live up to that magic, and at worst feels like bad fan-fiction. Anyway, rant over.

[@daynashley]

Ivan Dekad agree 100%

[@LeGeNdxReject]

Finally someone who agrees, im so tired of everytime i see anything about star wars online i see people who like the disney trilogy, and i hate to be that "toxic" star wars fan but i realistically cant understand how anyone can possibly enjoy the disney trilogy and call themselves fans. I think its great that people came out of Rise of Skywalker like "oh this is my favorite star wars movie" or "oh this is the best star wars movie" and then like 1 week later Disney was like yeah we never had any plan going into these films, it just made all those so called "fans" look absolutely stupid

[@rambonambo3510]

Qepy I agree, that is why I questioned TLJ’s decisions because it felt like the movie was setting up for its own trilogy. It didn’t stay with the flow of TFA. Then when TROS showed up, it pretty much confirmed that they didn’t have a plan for the sequel trilogy.

[@Dargonhuman]

That's why a lot of long time fans of Star Wars have rejected the sequels thoroughly and consider the EU to be the "real" canon of Star Wars. I'm one of those people; the sequels were some ... interesting fan fiction with a large budget, but as far as I'm concerned they don't replace the EU.

[@fairlyliterary4771]

I love a good rant. Well done 👏🏽

[@kiddsaga]

PT: Anime swordfights OT: Fencing ST: Baseball bats

[@osmano675]

That's fucking gold. As bad as the writing was in the sequel trilogy, the fight scenes were even worse.

[@spartan7983]

@@osmano675 In the throne room scene, one of the guards weapons literally disappears to avoid killing Rey or kylo. Also they don’t understand lightsabers, kylo literally sliced Finn in the back and he got away alive? He should be sliced in half. Same thing with kylo, Rey literally slashes her (anakins) lightsaber across Kylos face and he gets away with a scar? His face should should be sliced in two. Disney thinks Star Wars is for kids, but from the OT and PT it’s clearly not. Chopping off limbs, slavery, killing younglings. Star Wars has never been for kids. I understand George Lucas wanted to spend time with his wife and kids, but he even says that selling Star Wars to Disney was painful. And now we get an unsatisfying ending to the saga we all knew. It’s pretty disappointing. Lucasfilm would’ve made more than the 4 billion that Disney offered had they made 3 movies to end the saga. At least we have series like clone wars and more Star Wars shows coming out.

[@brew1234567891]

It’s the end of a trilogy. Lol. The sagas ending came out in 83. This was Disney fan fiction.

[@nate_g_d6637]

I said that shit like 1 month ago 😆

[@Joassh]

Deadass

[@maximiliangockel]

You're right. Except for the "fan" in fan fiction.

[@Altinget]

@@maximiliangockel it was a "Star Wars, what is that??, only care about the money" fiction.

[@ihexrt]

I actually like the sequels. Yes they could be improved, but it’s so shockingly exaggerated

[@kkelseym]

It’s funny how when someone points out Star Wars fans all want different things which can cause issues you’ll have a ton of comments from Star Wars fans saying “no we just want...” and then proceeding to list something completely different from the others.

[@AlphaOmega1237]

Everyone had their own preferences for which direction the sequel trilogy could go, but the common through line was that they wanted a good story. What they got was insipid storytelling, terrible characterization that reset several characters' growth in the OT (Han Solo is a deadbeat dad and a washed up smuggler as opposed to a war hero who destroyed the second Death Star) or completely inverts their character altogether (Luke is now an attempted child murder and a coward as opposed to a hero who prioritizes family and the innocent above even his own life), and the writing of each movie has come down to a bickering match between Ryan and JJ arguing over who has the better story by sprinkling jabs at each other in episodes 8 and 9.

[@CaptIronfoundersson]

I just want good movies made by competent people who give half a fuck about the source material.

[@budgetlifter]

They all just want a movie that is made by heart and not for profit

[@BrunoVFlores]

The thing is fans don't know what they want, and they chose to blame Rian Johnson even if JJ made a lot of mistakes in episode 7. And then, Disney listened to the angry part of the fans and we ended up with this mess

[@davidkippy101]

One person says "Bombs cant fall in space" and another says "Ok bombs can fall, but it's a stupid idea"

[@BenNotheis]

“John Williams is the best part of Star Wars...” TRUTH!

[@BenNotheis]

David Pollock ...I hope you are the one who is kidding; all composers-shoot, all ARTISTS -draw inspiration from others who have gone before them. To say that Williams is rearrange Holst’s work is a tired, and frankly, ignorant argument. Or maybe you are right, and the American Film Institute, which called Williams’ score to A New Hope the greatest film score of all time, got it wrong. And so what if there are common threads in his work? Again, you would be hard pressed to find an artist who has not built off their own work at some level. But hey, maybe the 25 Grammys, 5 Oscars (with 52 nominations), 4 Golden globes, multiple hall of fame inductions, lifetime achievement awards etc, etc, were all for his “10% originality.” Go throw stones at someone else. Williams is an icon, and a legend in his own time.

[@isaac_759]

@@DalimarBlackheart jonnie Williams is my boi how could you do him so dirty

[@odgers69]

"...Star Wars ended on Endor" - Jeremy Jahns.

[@tutorialeshtmlprod]

And it started in Tatooine when Luke was 18-19.

[@overhitss]

*The moon of Endor*****

[@benpena4740]

BeepBeepNotAJeep oooooooooof

[@Killerbee4712]

@@tutorialeshtmlprod No it started when obi wan tried to negotiate

[@tutorialeshtmlprod]

@@Killerbee4712 sorry bro, but for me (I repeat, FOR ME) the prequels aren't canon.

[@andrewstansfield1066]

“I think c-3po is the worst part of Star Wars” aight nvm this man can’t be trusted

[@williamt.sherman9841]

that and saying Poe and Finn had to be gay when this was not set up. From the beginning it was clear that Finn was into Rey.

[@GhostOfKiev2023]

Ex-squeeze me, mesa called Jar Jar Binks, mesa your humble servant!

[@S__a_m_u_r_a_i]

@@williamt.sherman9841 Yeah that something to me that doesn't make any sense. Like, it's ok if you want representation, but why do you force that on characters ALL THE DAMN TIME. Has anyone heard about brotherly/platonic love? They are fighting in a war, of course, they will love each other like brothers because THEY TRUST EACH OTHER WITH THEIR LIFE!!! STOP FORCING RELATIONSHIPS JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO PUSH AN AGENDA!!!!

[@diiii_mond]

William T. Sherman I never understood how people came to that conclusion. I literally don’t understand how they had any spark for each other.

[@youtubalt6978]

@@diiii_mond shippers will stop at nothing!!!

[@rottenspooks3518]

"Really studied his star wars lore" doesn't even know how hyperspace works

[@DysmorphicP]

The guy who made this video is a moron. Doesnt even talk about how stupid the bombers are because there's no gravity in space? Doesnt talk about there's torpedos that shoot out with a curve as if again, there was gravity in space. How come Po eho has been a part of the rebellion for years doesnt know who a Vice Admiral is? There were like 300 people un the rebellion and he doesnt know her? I mean, she has purple hair for fuck sakes! Unlike any other character. The Last Jedi was the stupidest movie ever... Ryan Johnson is utterly retarded.

[@Omen_Cheetah]

@@DysmorphicP Not to mention the fact the the what's her nugget didn't tell anyone in the fleet that she had a plan, then acts all surprised when everyone gets mad at her for, as far as anybody else knows, not doing anything. Like, is she afraid there's a spy on the ship? they followed them all the way to the old rebel base anyway so why would it even be an issue in the first place if they learned about the base? If it is such an issue why not tell important influencers like Po and other officers on the ship what the plan was, just so that they knew what was going on? Then she ramms a fucking ship into the big bad dreadnought, and now we're thinking to ourselves "why didn't they just do that to literally any other threat in the galaxy?" Sure in the next movie they go "it's a one in a million shot" but the rebellion was desperate to destroy both of the Death Stars so why didn't they even try then? The sequel trilogy is just a train wreck of missed opportunities and massive plot holes. They needed a more solid structure and it shows.

[@DysmorphicP]

@@Omen_Cheetah there's do many videos from The Critical Drinker, look them up, they are so detailed and makes fun of the movie so well. They call this movie the gift that keeps on giving because everytime someone makes a video they keep finding more incoherent shit.

[@Omen_Cheetah]

@@DysmorphicP Thats amazing, I'll look him up. It's so true, the sequel trilogy was such a narrative disaster. I've read fan fiction made by middleschoolers that are more coherent than the multimillion disaster that was the sequels.

[@DysmorphicP]

@@Omen_Cheetah yeah, please do so, he has a great sense of humor and he's great at dissecting the narrative. And yeah, the word disaster falls short I think! Everything is just so utterly absurd.

[@amirf30335i]

“I legitimately believe that C30-0 is the worst part of all the movies” Jar Jar Binks: “meesa a joke to you?” My favorite part about all of the responses is that not a single one commented on how “C30-0” isn’t a character in the star wars movies

[@Dargonhuman]

Me: No, Jar Jar, jokes are *funny*, you're just annoying.

[@RonnocFroop]

Sand: Damn, and I thought I was the course, rough, and irritating one.

[@mbperson7982]

Could you leave Jar Jar alone ?

[@avidmcplayer4942]

I guess cause Jar-Jar was only in the prequels whereas C-3PO was in all 9 films

[@justnoah2073]

Jar Jar and 3PO good.

[@ggfffgggds]

'The riskiest thing you can do today' is 'not taking risks' - Bob Iger Bob, listen to yourself.

[@DMS-pq8]

Says the head of a company that only puts out remakes & sequels

[@nightwishfan1991]

Says the man who's studio released the Lion King remake.

[@nomore2226]

What if Rey was left handed when she held that dagger? Nothing would have lined up.

[@ridwana4037]

Also, those are ruins, where no one lives to maintain the place. Build using metal, while surrounded by water, with high waves. Good luck on keeping the structure of it without maintenance.

[@nomore2226]

@@ridwana4037 good point there buddy.

[@lincolnduke]

"We're making a dagger to reveal the hiding place of the wayfinder" "Is it in the throne room?" "What, no? Definitly not! No, dont go looking in there for it!"

[@aryanderania425]

Worst crime of the final battle was just tossing Ben our of it.

[@crixxxxxxxxx]

Why should he survive? He killed millions of innocent people, including his father. There needs to be a consequence for his actions. Why should he live when all his victims remain dead?

[@crixxxxxxxxx]

stephen gentry Go find something else to be interested in, then, rather than endlessly whining about it.

[@mightymickey8879]

Lincolnlobster you’re not listening. Killing Ben wasn’t the problem. It’s fine Ben died. It’s throwing him down the shaft instead of teaming up to defeat the most powerful being AND finishing the skywalker arc that was a travesty. Because Ben wasn’t involved in the defeat of palpatine it even more so bastardized the skywalker legacy (meaning Anakin skywalker was completely irrelevant and not the chosen one).

[@crixxxxxxxxx]

MightyMickey88 Nothing about Anakin’s legacy was tarnished. He saved his son and restored balance to the force. Palpatine simply found a way to eventually upset that established balanced. Too much emphasis is made on the Chosen One bullshit, which was nothing but a vague and lazy device created by George Lucas to explain Anakin’s exceptional power and abilities.

[@Gamer-jv8uv]

lincolnlobster the entire first six movies were built on the premise of the Chosen One prophecy and Anakin eventually fulfilling it. Then they decided to resurrect the bad guy that they spent 6 movies trying to defeat. That sort of makes Anakin’s sacrifice kinda pointless in the grand scheme of things doesn’t it?

[@cambriadaW]

Lol the more I thought about this movie the more my brain hurt. For example Snoke/Palps kept telling Kylo to kill Rey but then his master plan was to have Rey carry on all the Sith ??? Wha- I agree though, the best scene by far was when Leia made that force connection with Ben and then Han showed up. His redemption was way too rushed and honestly needed an entire movie but that scene was still really good. (Also my other favorite scene is in the tunnels when Rey turns on her lightsaber and Poe dramatically turns on his flashlight) The biggest disappointment of this trilogy for me is they didn’t have any sort of full plan, and yet I really cared about these characters and they deserved so much more. My dumb butt thought “rise of skywalker” meant Kylo finally stepping the Babu Frick up and going back to the light and stopping Palps. Kathleen Kennedy had other plans tho I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Dargonhuman]

I liked most of the new characters as they were introduced in Force Awakens - I was really interested to see how Finn's character would develop as he dealt with the atrocities he committed as a Stormtrooper and came to terms with that - but then Last Jedi came along and turned them all into caricatures and I stopped caring about the sequels in particular and the entire franchise in general.

[@derpyvillager2606]

Just imagine the last Jedi never existed and there done

[@joshuaskullhammer3478]

i felt like kylos redemption was sort of in a way through out all the movies because you see he was never fully devoted to the dark side he always had the light pulling him back and then after leia died and he had the vision of han i feel like that would be enough to pull him to the light, especially cus he didn’t have a mentor anymore for the dark side

[@cambriadaW]

Dargonhuman yes! So much lost potential in Finn

[@cambriadaW]

Joshua Skullhammer that is true!!

[@Mephil]

No the stupidest scene was how the force sensitive superhuman watched her friend get taken into a ship in the middle of a flat desert and then somehow lose track of it and mistake it for another ship that magically appeared while the original ship magically disappears

[@lincolnduke]

I see your scene and raise you the "Rey was raised on a desert planet, has never seen the sea, goes to an ocean planet, is told by the inhabitants "it's too dangerous to cross due to a storm" so Rey just sails over no problem scene"

[@joshuam7749]

Don't forget the scene right before that where Ben's ship suffers a brutal crash and explodes yet Ben somehow survives. The ship that exploded also somehow survives.

[@lincolnduke]

@@joshuam7749 I thought this led to a plot hole. If the Sith Wayfinder is wired into Bens ship (and can be destroyed by being crushed in your hands) surely it was destroyed in the crash? Ben then destroys the one found with the dagger, so where did the one come from that Rey uses to get to the Sith Planet?

[@joshuam7749]

@@lincolnduke There really isn't a logical explanation. She got it from Ben's ship even though 1 the ship blew up and 2 he clearly only had one of those triangles because he was vigorously hunting for it in the beginning of the movie. Maybe the force did something somehow.

[@Mephil]

KingLittle she’s a jedi, that isn’t strange. Its strange when they give her superpowers and then somehow fails to do something that a normal human being would be able to do easily

[@CaesarBloodbane]

How many Jedi where there? They weren't all Skywalkers...They already had non-Skywalker force users for thousands of years!

[@yerboishrek2871]

And? What point are you trying to make here?

[@whoiamiamnot2334]

That's part of the problem with this Fandom. In The Last Jedi they tried to basically kill off the Skywalker storylines. To say going forward this isn't about the Skywalkers anymore. Fans were all; but what about Luke, Rey has to be related to or clone of whomever. Then Rise of Skywalker comes around and goes fine she's related to Palpatine and fans still aren't happy.

[@alexkwan3]

WhoIam IamNot they tried to make Rey part of the common man, that anyone could rise up and save the galaxy, and that you didn’t have to be related to someone important. then outta nowhere they made her a palpatine, and she had a huge jump in power from 8-9.

[@Soccercrazyigboman]

@@whoiamiamnot2334 you hit the nail there. The fans are the problem. Everything has to be related to Skywalkers. It's so annoying.

[@dr_birb]

@@Soccercrazyigboman the fans are the problem? Ok boomer. Everything has to be related to Skywalker? In disney's mind yes.

[@mariahidalgob]

To me this new movies don’t feel like a star wars trilogy more like 3 different stories that the main characters were involved in

[@MaTtHewFresher]

It shows they didn’t have a full plan for the series...at first Rey and Finn had a kinda thing vibe then they wrote that out, gave Finn a new girl but then wrote that out too after they kissed lol then messed up Luke, like Luke would just give up on the Jedi after sacrificing everything including a hand...Kylos arc I liked but then they killed him in the end? Snoke was a good way to introduce a new villain but after they killed him and had nothing else they decide to bring emperor fizzle fingers back and make Rey his granddaughter which is fine but cmon they didn’t even give him a good reintroduction and after all that Poe didn’t get to sleep with his ex in the end??? 😂

[@jeremyroberts8822]

Savage Matthew agreed. It’s painfully obvious that they didn’t plan any of this trilogy out in the slightest. They just kinda let JJ and Rian do what they wanted with each movie. Finn ended up being the biggest wasted potential ever, they could’ve done so much more with his character and shit don’t even get me started on Luke. People who like these movies always try to use the excuse that well people change and that it had been 30 years so this wasn’t the same Luke we knew back in the OT but Luke would never just give up like he did. Luke was always the most hopeful character in all of stories yet after what happened with kylo and him joining snoke and turning to the dark side they just had him completely give up and basically say sorry Han and sis this isn’t my problem I’m gonna go isolate myself on some faraway planet and just let kylo and snoke terrorize and take over the galaxy killing billions of people along the way. Smh I honestly don’t even want anymore Star Wars movies for awhile

[@stevindiesel]

Pretty sure that JJ did have an arc laid out for the trilogy but RJ just totally ignored it, totally screwing it all up. JJ managed to turn back some of the mess but had too much to do to save enough. If Kennedy had allowed them to make TROS into a double movie, it could have been a lot better and made TLJ more of an outlier than just the worst one.

[@adultcrashOut]

Actually, JJ had a plan, but Rian shit all over it. Although I did actually like what The Last Jedi did instead, The Rise of Skywalker is a pretty infuriating movie.

[@12gagegaming43]

Idk I kinda digged the luke giving up idea. At least it wasn't stolen directly from the extended universe

[@IndyDefense]

@@adultcrashOut Who gives a shit what JJ friggin Abrams had in mind? Im glad Rian stepped in and stopped his BS.

[@alaskaisalexa]

I’m just upset that they cheated us out of a good story when it came to Finn. The fact they hinted multiple times that Finn is force sensitive and we coulda had this BAD ASS story about his background and everything. That right there is what made me leave the theater so damn mad. Other than that it was visually stunning. But def rushed and Reylo is not cute

[@micahcook2408]

Also the whole “Rey is a Jedi because of perseverance, talent, and work ethic” (everyone. Is special mentality - “humans are like snowflakes because we all are unique”) to “Rey is a descendant of someone who mastered the force” (success is only achieved from birth, family line, and natural ability) is what threw me for a loop... like knowing who her parents were didn’t matter one bit in defeating something that she was capable of defeating... Hollywood once again throwing in eugenics 💀😂😂

[@AbhijeetMishra]

I think Finn was just Abrams' version of a subversion, that he wanted to say "look, a stormtrooper can turn out to be a good guy/be an individual as well!" and didn't actually have any plan other than that. And even if he had, who's to say Rian Johnson wouldn't have just forsaken that thread later on.

[@giobunsoy]

He and Rey should've ended together.

[@Firegirl483]

@@giobunsoy She's just not into him. Even in the novelizations of the films, she's not into him.

[@jovanym2931]

I don’t Know how anyone can the defend the Disney trilogy they are devoid of imagination they just rehashed the rebels vs empire story. At least the prequels did something different from the original trilogy

[@MinuteLeech2]

Pretty much, if I wanted to see a trilogy about how the rebels beat the empire, Palpatine exploding, and evil Skywalker redeemed himself then died, plus another death star, I'd watch the OT. The Sequels simply don't justify themselves with anything new to contribute

[@Dargonhuman]

@@yamcha8309 The point is, the prequels tried. It's okay to fail as long as you try but not even trying and still failing is worse. I mean, yea, the prequels are still bad, no question, but there is a good story hiding behind the bad dialogue and terrible direction.

[@Kinetic650]

it’s a nostalgia thing

[@jovanym2931]

Lord Yamcha Butthurt much as much as you dislike the prequels most sequel characters were two dimensional like Poe , and Rey was bland asf

[@joshuabenitez3260]

Pequels was also consistent with Star Wars lore.

[@johnalden5821]

When Force Awakens came out, I had a sneaking suspicion that it was an Abrams reboot of the original Star Wars movie (ep. 4) but shook it off, thinking that they would move it in new directions with the younger cast. Episode 8 did that a bit, although it was fairly disjointed. Rise of Skywalker was just a complete fail. It's clear that Abrams had no creative concept other than to simply recreate the story arc of the original trilogy. When you literally resuscitate an atomized bad guy from the original trilogy, and then simply duplicate his demise in this movie, you have rendered the Star Wars franchise into a B-movie series, on the order with Friday the 13th. What a huge waste of money, and of everyone's time.

[@cintsscha5899]

I assume he intended Snoke to be the main villian of the trilogy... but then Rian Johnson killed him off....

[@johnalden5821]

@@cintsscha5899 Yeah, I would like to resist the Johnson vs. Abrams false dichotomy. Both had their strengths (plot not being one of them) and weaknesses (not having a plot being one of them). What was needed was a story line that did not pander to "fan service" and that would take the saga in a new direction as a coherent trilogy.

[@TimmyDaTurtle]

I feel like The Rise of Skywalker was a cop out on Disney's part. All 3 of them were. Its not that I hated them, but I did feel dissapointed by them. I think that their spinnoff movies did better than their main movies.

[@ItsYaBoiV]

At least we have The Mandalorian. 😂

[@Maka556]

Dio Brando The Mandalorian is also pretty bad.

[@frostcoroger8326]

Maka556 here before everyone else comes in

[@CT7056]

Yeah

[@mitchpowell608]

This is the way...I have spoken

[@Wehraboo-fi9vm]

Maka556 WHAT?

[@oatlord]

"You shouldn't have to buy a companion piece to follow along...". Thank you. So many show runners have relied on their fan base to sort out their messes of stories.

[@MrGA555]

Something I wanted was Ben to force heal the his lightsaber crystal. A final cleanse of Kylo Ren with his moms help. Not really show it, until the final scene just have him turn it on with against the Knights of Ren and a spectacular first on screen primer of a pure white lightsaber.

[@khaoss4024]

Can you force heal a Kyber Crystal? I doubt that's possible

[@isplat927]

@@khaoss4024 you can 'cleanse' a Red lightsaber like with Ahsoka's lightsabers in Rebels

[@khaoss4024]

@@isplat927 but does it happen with the force? Or some process

[@isplat927]

@@khaoss4024 A little of both really I think, So the sith crystals aren't really synthetic or originally red, Sith people take a kyber crystal and 'bleed' it, I don't know how but let's go with it, anyways, a Force user can reverse the process and 'unbleed' it and make it 'pure' which is white.

[@khaoss4024]

@@isplat927 that's cool

[@antony3613]

“This movie rushes faster than Andrew Neiman” I literally started dying

[@kabirthegreat]

not quite my tempo

[@mrbojangles8133]

rushes through it like Lewis Hamilton

[@scientistdoggo]

How the Sequels were actually made: Force ghost Mace Windu: Hey, ever wondered what would happen if Palpatine survived? Force ghost Qui Gon Jinn: Hmm...

[@adityabhalekar3506]

windu never became a ghost

[@Jarvis23713]

I feel bad for R2D2 and C3PO 😔 who have overlived everyone from episode 1 til now... 😔

[@thalukesta2112]

Me too....but they are droids so they may oitlive chewie

[@Jarvis23713]

They'll outlive everyone 😢

[@RayMKlll]

@@Jarvis23713 as long as they don't get blasted or destroyed or w/e first

[@duckyboi2297]

@@RayMKlll they can be repaired

[@alondraeugenia9910]

Like they tried to do the whole "fated interconnected bloodlines at odds with one another" which is a cool trope but not like one you do last minute like you got 3 hours before your 10 page essay is due LOL i meannn brando/joestar was definitely a lot better handled example of that trope 👀

[@neegas3490]

Oop

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

"He's Ben Solo so I have to correct all the Reylo fans." Uh... Reylo still works with Rey x Ben Solo.

[@tasha7726]

Most Reylo shippers have been calling him Ben Solo for years.

[@KyrieFortune]

@@tasha7726 in fact, nowadays you can tell who's a Reylo shipper and who's a Reylo anti by how they call Ben/Kylo, and it's the Reylo shippers who overwhelmingly call him "Ben", the Reylo antis still tend to call him "Kylo".

[@camilamacias3865]

the amount of times i said YES EXACTLY in this video is a tad concerning

[@carlstahl244]

The rise truly was the fall....

[@cybernexus4233]

*in palps voice* Ironic

[@jrxx8326]

When my best friend and I went to see this movie, every ten minutes we both did that 'sharp intake of breath through your teeth' thing you do when something is really bad. It's a damn shame that Adam driver and Daisy Ridley both gave really great performances in this one. Performances that the movie itself didn't deserve. Also John Boyega and Oscar Isaac both heavily leaned into their characters being romantically involved, and Disney put as many roadblocks in their way as possible. They threw female love interests at Finn to try and distract us and then they didn't give us a satisfying payoff for any of them. Rise of Skywalker was an unfocused mess that had some good scenes but completely fucked almost every aspect of its plot in the interest of playing it safe.

[@jezebulls]

It's like JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson both wanted to tell their own story instead of working off each other.

[@chalkeev]

I think Rian's choices expanded on the ideas JJ had in compelling ways. Not the other way around tho in Episode 9.

[@seanhavern2384]

"Rian Johnson studied his star wars lore"...Looks at the holdo maneuver, the existence of rebel/resistance bombers that have never existed, force Leai Organa, force skype, the first order somehow recovering from its base and primary weapon being destroyed in like a week. I think it is fair to say Rian made a movie he wanted to make and Disney slapped Star Wars Episode 8 on it.

[@Kevin-zh8ii]

Sean Havern I have to say that force sensitive Leia was always a thing and makes sense but the rest is garbage

[@xavi.cat.4095]

@@Kevin-zh8ii I'm definitely not an avid SW fan but how does the force protect from an explosion and outer space?

[@Kevin-zh8ii]

Xavi. Cat. Well it should not but the fact that she is force sensitive makes sense at least 🤷🏼

[@diiii_mond]

Riley Exactly. I totally get that it was kind of set up in Return of the Jedi, but I honestly liked her better as someone who can sense the force and is close to it.

[@thorthewolf8801]

@@Kevin-zh8ii Where was that in tfa? It was only a thing in legends, not in current canon

[@abe_froman8360]

I don't mind that Rian Johnson kneecapped all of JJ's mysteries, it's that he didn't set up any of his own. The story comes to a screeching halt at the end of The Last Jedi; there is ZERO momentum going into Rise of Skywalker.

[@angelodeita4605]

Abe_Froman agreed. TROS ignores TLJ the same way TLJ ignores TFA

[@shack8110]

Yes, plus TLJ was boring and made no sense, even more so than TFA.

[@williamt.sherman9841]

all of the new films suck. TFA basically ignored the ending of Return of the Jedi. Pity they did not... come up with a real script and story arc. instead of shit canning the entire Legends stories they could have picked out the best stories from Legends and made that into a new film trilogy. Legends is what kept Starwars alive.

[@gigi-ux7wb]

William T. Sherman Legends is actually pretty cool. there are a lot of messed up things in there for sure, but others are heartwarming and make sense.

[@williamt.sherman9841]

@@gigi-ux7wb i know but it also became really redundant. to many of the stories are the same thing over again. but the world building is what real starwars is and the new trilogy should have used that universe instead of just inventing a bunch of new ones.

[@Julianlesk]

LME: C3PO is the worst part of Star Wars Jar-Jar: Am I a joke to you?

[@iaincampbell2740]

Julian Lesk Rose Tico: imma stop you right there.

[@shack8110]

C-3P0 is 1 of millions of protocol and interpreter droids that is simply a tool of the people who shaped the events of the story. Except he miraculously was put together by Darth Vader. XD

[@Reignor99]

Jar-Jar is the coolest character in all the films. He's a sith master, so wise and manipulative, that he not only fooled the Jedi, but also the audience.

[@EtherDais]

*"Am meesa a joke to yousa?!"

[@Ruby-pt4eo]

@@EtherDais LMAOOOO

[@harrisonmckenzie8357]

Plot twist: Rey, Finn, and Poe are a throuple.

[@doe_a_deer]

Harrison McKenzie ew XD

[@harrisonmckenzie8357]

@@doe_a_deer Nothing wrong with non-monogamy lol

[@Kaerikillington]

@@harrisonmckenzie8357 throuples and similar degeneracy are the reason corona virus is being introduced to the public.

[@ryancarson6962]

Globglogabgolab How is that any less degenerate than monogamous relationships that are based on sex? Oh because it’s three people it’s SUDDENLY worse?

[@Kaerikillington]

@@ryancarson6962 yep.

[@aydenstewy]

I think that Rian Johnson would be fine if he made “A Star Wars Story” type film instead of a main trilogy film

[@HufflepuffDaddy]

Spot on! Yup, a standalone flick where he can experiment and showcase all his WWII-inspired technology -- space bombers, trenches, foxholes, Battleship Bismark captains and Kamikaze Pilots, etc -- mixed in with heroic sacrifices and battlefield decision-making. Just one movie to showcase that stuff, not as the oddball middle child of a trilogy.

[@adockey3]

I disagree on Finn being gay, he looked like he wanted to smash Rey the whole saga

[@lazytanks4035]

jacob amaral I was kinda hoping he would. But hey, Kylo Ren I guess.

[@liaml.e.5964]

Just because like 80% of FN-2187's lines are "REY!!!" doesn't mean he digs her... right? 🤣 I don't know, it's just a mess

[@NovaGN]

Always pegged him as Bi tbh

[@allybraun4842]

reylooooo

[@Ventillator]

@Jacob He did. The gay community has made it their mission to claim him.

[@kicapanmanis1060]

Never saw Poe and Finn as being gay in the movies. I know Oscar Isacc mentioned he played it like that and they could potentially go in that direction after the basic set up TFA if they wanted to, but nothing in the subsequent movies made me feel like their relationship was ever going there. And I say that as someone whose shipped a fair number of gay couples in movies/series/comics before. I just never felt it. It felt similar to the relationship I have with my best friend (and we are really really really close) than any sort of romantic interest. It was definitely vague enough to be within the bromance level. Again I think there is enough there that the writers "could" have taken that route after if they wanted to, but there was nothing definitive about it. I felt like they were good natural best friends that didnt take it any further because a) they never saw it that way or b) just were not into other guys sexually.

[@the_gratefulgamer]

Wow. Was scouring the internet for this sensible comment.

[@spilledteaissadtea3037]

Kicapan Manis I personally don’t agree with you on that. But I just want to say that I completely respect your opinion. I personally like the ship because I just think it’s cute but you do you. I just wanted to be the one person who’ll disagree with you and instead of attacking you I except that that’s your opinion. Hope you have a great day

[@fluffymonster1306]

Absolutely agree. Definitely felt a strong bromance rather than an actual romantic relationship 💛🤷🏻‍♀️

[@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845]

Finn had the hots for Rey. Unless he was bi...

[@Bodybypt]

Seemed like Finn had a thing for Rey from the first time they met.

[@herosshade2247]

Oof... poor Mark. It seems like out of anyone else he was hurt the most. And he deserves the world.

[@TropicalAsian-1000]

Why wasn’t there a fuel problem? Lazy writing.

[@DaScorpionSting]

PaPa Told Me Too Yep

[@Leo_Has_EJR_Rizz]

PaPa Told Me Too Stop treating Star wars was realistic. Every star wars movie had lazy writing.

[@deathmetal271]

No excuse for not trying, the original trilogy had a solid foundation to build itself off, the prequels were more flimsy but still kept things consistent, the Disney trilogy had no foundation whatsoever

[@TropicalAsian-1000]

Y’all I’m just saying that they didn’t include fuel problems like the previous movie which is just lazy for them LOL

[@OneEyedCloud01]

Fuel was never a problem till they made it one, so now in every scene people have to wonder about fuel. So dumb disney

[@gabrielasabel]

Why is everyone saying Ben kissed Rey she kissed him

[@DemonKnight94]

She's a real creep.

[@mr.aleximer]

technicaly we dont care who kissed who

[@doge8430]

I was crying at that scene. From laughter lmao it was so bad.

[@skeeyzjairo9428]

It doesn't matter who kissed who first at the end of the day they was kissing each other

[@gabrielasabel]

Bolaji Windapo I actually like Reylo I would like better execution and more build up I actually cheered, form a story point it makes no sense but from my shipper Heart I love it I'm just don't involve myself in the actual fandom I love Romance and Shipping but I'm also a story teller

[@DavidTheOwl]

It’s like JJ Abrams was going in one direction and then Rian Johnson said, nope, and went somewhere completely different, so the whole trilogy feels disconnected in a weird way

[@homerg7999]

Legit though I woulda rather had a trilogy movie based around the offspring of runaway OG clone troopers who are trying to make some semblance of peace after watching how force users have screwed everyone and everything.

[@xenile2030]

The only thing good about the entire trilogy is the confirmation that Leia is a full-blown jedi

[@montecristo1845]

Ahnaf plays I’m Leia Poppins, y’all!

[@granola661]

thats... good?

[@noodle7725]

I hated that

[@alexbennet4195]

RimaWatch Khadeir: Why?

[@Dargonhuman]

Well, she's confirmed as a Force user, but it takes years of training to become a full Jedi. In Star Wars, someone can be Force sensitive and not be a Jedi or Sith at all like Rey was on Jakku, the broom kid was at the end of Last Jedi, and even Anakin was on Tatooine before Obi Wan found him.

[@jordanrolon3078]

"this movie rushes faster than andrew neiman" lmfaoo

[@Sithremnant777]

The only thing we agree on is that Disney has completely dropped the ball with Star Wars

[@JordanBlueman]

Lucasfilm* has dropped the ball. Just like Marvel and PIXAR have been on fire. Kennedy, who was appointed by Lucas himself, dropped the ball.

[@JordanBlueman]

So how do you explain Marvel and PIXAR succeeding every time without fail?

[@JordanBlueman]

michael Dinneweth You think I’m one of the only people who think Marvel.... the most successful film franchise of all time that cranks out financial and critical success three times a year, is doing well?

[@JordanBlueman]

michael Dinneweth 1 out of 23 movies is led by a woman.... which, worth noting, is also a highly successful, critically acclaimed film. And here you are oppressing yourself. Sorry kid, but you’re in the minority thinking Marvel is trying to take your dick away from you.

[@kenpachi465]

The way I see how they all connect. The prequels are about Anakin Skywalker (Light) and Sheev Palpatine (Dark). The originals about their kids. The sequels are about their grandkids. The prequels show light can become dark. The originals dark to light. The sequels demonstrate how dark and light can become one. The only thing missing is a new Jedi order that will keep balance.

[@kenpachi465]

@Bolaji Windapo George Lucas wrote a Sequel trilogy in the 90s

[@mr.e1944]

Star Wars: “May the force be with you!” Disney Star Wars: “We will force our beliefs on you!”

[@sallyw1854]

*Force Awakens* Fans: It's too similar to a New Hope!!! *Last Jedi* Fans: It's too different!!! Disney: Fine take this *Rise of Skywalker* Fans: Ew nvm lets just forget about this trilogy

[@kenpachi465]

I like the new trilogy it's all about the grand kids.

[@supergamerboy7899]

kenpachi465 sequels are all unwatchable I’m just gonna pretend it doesn’t exist and just watch prequels and originals

[@khaoss4024]

Surprisingly you can create a story that follows the lore but isnt a copy😑

[@kenpachi465]

@@swedsteve93 The way I see how they all connect. The prequels are about Anakin Skywalker (Light) and Sheev Palpatine (Dark). The originals about their kids. The sequels are about their grandkids. The prequels shows light can become dark. The originals dark to light. The sequels demonstrates how dark and light can become one. The only thing missing is a new Jedi order that will keep balance. For the record, my children grew up on the sequel trilogy and they love it.

[@red3768]

Last jedi was trash but 7 and 9 had interesting characters and plot points

[@Packers_Nation]

Save us clone was season 7, you’re our only hope

[@allyestrada4438]

There are a lot of really good points here. I liked the emotional stuff, the connection between Rey and Kylo, but I felt like the ending was incomplete. Disney definitely used some Marvel references, like “On your left” in 10:04 And when Rey said “I am all the Jedi” reminiscent of “I am Iron Man” I was like: “Oh C’mon!!!”

[@Metalc]

Let me explain: *hates c-3po* *everyone disliked that*

[@aforeigner1557]

Gene Peebody I couldn’t believe that he said C3PO was the worst part of Star Wars instead of saying that about Jar Jar Binks

[@ryaquaza3offical]

Ana Carolina Alves jar jar wasn’t even the worst imo, that title goes to the singing CGI monstrosities in Jubba’s palace,... at least jar jar did stuff but why are theses a thing?

[@aforeigner1557]

Ryaquaza 1 you’ve got a point !

[@suttie9582]

c-3po is so annoying. even in this movie lmao

[@MrHendrix17]

@@ryaquaza3offical Jar Jar and Jabbas Palace didn't persist through 9 whole movies though

[@steff2437]

When I was watching this in the theatre, the dude beside me had so many of the same auditory reactions to the crazy shit going on that really didn’t make sense. Rey can suddenly heal using the force? Kylo and Rey can suddenly send lightsabers to each other by the force? Palpatine is back all of a sudden?!? I love Star Wars but this just hurt my heart

[@kenpachi465]

Rey can suddenly heal using the force? In TLJ, Rey has the Jedi texts and Leia completed her training Kylo and Rey can suddenly send lightsabers to each other by the force? Passing objects through the dyad was establish in TLJ when they touched Palpatine is back all of a sudden?!? Palpatine once returned in EU but he stated that he can prevent people from dying in Episode 3

[@shambooki4224]

Precedent was set for the passing of matter through the force in TLJ when Kylo wiped water off of his face after speaking to Rey on rainy Ahch-To.

[@khaoss4024]

@@kenpachi465 Leia complete her training? Leia never underwent Jedi training, even though she was a force sensitive. She also died before Rey could even train for a year. The texts wont make someone a master lol. Rey's lightsaber work is absolutely garbage. Force healing requires a Jedi Master to heal major wounds. And it wasnt trained at all. Same thing with moving things through the force

[@khaoss4024]

@@kenpachi465 Palpatine is 100% suddenly returned as usually he can transfer his force essence to another body but he appears suddenly in his original body while showing no signs of returning before

[@kenpachi465]

@@khaoss4024 Palpatine returned in the Expanded Universe in the 90s

[@rhetiq9989]

1:40 The camera morphing into George is the finest work of art I’ve ever seen in my life

[@airsoul366]

I feel like like Disney took the fans too seriously, and instead of just building off of Last Jedi and just making a better movie, they just retconed it entirely.

[@williamwebb580]

Phoenix King you look at this lore-breaking inconsistent clusterfuck of a film and you say they took the fans seriously?

[@airsoul366]

@@williamwebb580 I said "too seriously", when we said we wished Last Jedi just didnt happen, instead of working on it and making a better movie, they scrapped it altogether

[@olunatico425]

@@williamwebb580 Eles quis dizer que ao invés da Disney produzir um filme que seguisse a direção curiosa e diferente que The Last Jedi seguiu, ela preferiu simplesmente ouvir o que os fanzinhos estavam reclamando e simplesmente ignoraram as melhores coisas do filme anterior.

[@khaoss4024]

@@airsoul366 we wished they wouldnt scrap all the in depth lore of the extended universe

[@JamesLawner]

Kathleen Kennedy spent 10+ years looking at how the fandom hated the prequels and wanted the originals again, and this is how the sequel trilogy got made. If there's anyone to blame, it was the fandom and their stubborn, close-minded attitude because they couldn't get into galactic politics in the prequels and only wanted what the original trilogy did, and Lucasfilm fulfilled those wishes, but once again the fandom still complained. In all honesty, Humanity doesn't deserve Star Wars because people will always complain and never be satisfied, and how can society possibly live like that?

[@gplgs4640]

Just never let JJ and Rian touch Star Wars ever again.

[@cameronschmit6472]

One or the other would probably be fine. But not both

[@DanielFolsom]

@@cameronschmit6472 Strong disagree on that take. TLJ worked BECAUSE TFA was such a paint-by-numbers remake of ESB. We needed the parallels to the OT (see bellow) to have the genuine surprise at TLJ. ... But then TRoS said "no no no bring back the paint by numbers." It wasn't that there was collaboration, or even that there wasn't a plan (OT didn't have a plan!). It was that JJ is a B+ Director who cannot conclude things to save his life. Parallels: Snoke=Emperor (all powerful overlord); Kylo=Vader (masked servant of all powerful overlord who might be redeemable since he's related to a character we know); Han=Ben (old mentor figure who is killed by the lightsaber of the masked servant of the all powerful overlord while our heroes can only scream before they have to run off); Rey=Luke (preternaturally talented protagonist who may be related to another powerful character); Poe=Han1 ("don't tell me the odds" pilot); Finn=Han2 (morally grey character more focused on attachments to friends than a larger cause) ... and that's not even getting into "It's the Death Star but instead of a moon it's a planet" shit.

[@cameronschmit6472]

Daniel Folsom all fair no problem

[@FifaMessi010]

JJ did well with TFA(even tho it was a remake but introduced all these new characters well) and I like Rian as a director but not for Star Wars I think JJ should’ve done all three. TFA had so much potential

[@DanielFolsom]

​@@FifaMessi010 Fair enough! I admit I'm not sure I see the potential in TFA everyone else sees. I see a film that cribbed ESB and had some derivative characters played by great actors. I know people are kinda interested in mystery boxes (which, it should be noted, the OT did not have-Darth Vader's background being totally rewritten does not as a mystery box) ... but I don't really think they're all that useful. Plus, most of the "mystery boxes" couldn't have been explained in ways that actually helped the story-Snoke's background was never going to be interesting ... at least to the characters. (And one of my biggest pet peeves with JJ as a director is he LOVES shots that mean something to the audience, but not the characters)

[@oliverhargadon2316]

The rise of Skywalker is like something I would make at 10 whilst playing with Lego

[@atharvavadeyar5157]

"guess the petition worked" That's the most I've laughed in a long time

[@Suzumi-kun]

"studied the star wars lore" hold my hyperdrive

[@terrorsaur599]

Say what you want, but Rise of Skywalker was THE WORST STAR WARS MOVIE EVER MADE! Make me think otherwise. *I dare you.*

[@urmomlol6988]

Justin Sarte the last Jedi was at least somewhat fun, the rise of sky walker was just boring

[@terrorsaur599]

ur mom lol I don’t know, I feel like Last Jedi’s pacing was too slow and the film’s length didn’t help. Last Jedi to me was just a bunch of wasted potential that was unnecessarily long. Rise of Skywalker was one of the most DISAPPOINTING things I have ever seen, and the fact that the film feels rushed despite being the end of the freaking STAR WARS SAGA doesn’t help at all.

[@Ruby-pt4eo]

Nah bro the clone wars animated movie was literally the worse star wars movie ever lol, but I agree the Rise of Skywalker ain't the best :(

[@terrorsaur599]

Ruby p The Clone Wars movie was made to help promote the Clone Wars tv show. Now the movie was bad (from what I heard), but at least the tv show it promoted was a masterpiece. The Star Wars Holiday Special was… a freaking holiday special! It may be bad, but you should not take it too seriously. But, the Rise of Skywalker is the OFFICIAL CONCLUSION TO THE STAR WARS SAGA!!!!!!!! It should have been epic and satisfying, but instead it was RUSHED and DISAPPOINTING. For the conclusion of the ENTIRE SAGA, that is plain UnAcCeptABle!!! Enough said.

[@mirzahamzabaig5667]

@@Ruby-pt4eo I actually enjoyed the clone wars movie..

[@Alovatololo]

I think this movie's biggest problem was that the other movies existed. It feels like it was made by someone who was told about the other movies but didn't see the other movies. And as a standalone movie that isn't a sequel it's ok, but it suffers in the context of the other movies.

[@eliavita]

This movie Biggest problem is That it exists in the way it exists, should have been a whole different story, i Saw a video about the original script, That made a lot more sense

[@DeadKraken]

The movies would still have huge problems even if they were not part of Star Wars. Directors and Disney shills can tell the fans they are whiny all day long, but that won't change that in the span of 3 movies, the very same rules set in the first one are broken repeatedly and there are huge pacing, dialogue and tone issues(especially in the second, my god...). They won't stand on their legs even if they were originals or part of another franchise, and I say this as a person that hasn't given two shits about Star Wars for all her life and saw these 3 new ones only for the cool designs.

[@ffraser4156]

*see’s video* “Long have I waited”

[@alexanderwinfield8083]

“Then he gets a on your left” took me 😂

[@upshotMusicTV]

The only way I can sleep at night as to come to grips and realize that the sequel trilogy is NOT CANON

[@merricklamarsna4470]

I just keep telling my self that

[@BlackStar-di9jm]

"Clones of himself like he's Rick Sanchez" lmao good one

[@stanshatter3875]

They did Finn so dirty. Think about it: a storm trooper deviants from the empire then becomes force sensitive to battle out kylo and using Kylo's gramp's saber against him. That would have been perfect rivalry. It's almost like the writers dressed the viewer up in a clown costume for falling in their trap.

[@Hammer_Of_Olympia]

Nah the whole Finn and Poe thing is BS, they’re just bros no need to force a romance to satisfy a community.

[@gevlsant7539]

He's not saying they should've done it regardless, he's saying that if Disney wanted to represent the community, it would've been less greedy this way. Instead we got a 0.5 sec scene which simply got cut in conservative countries. Thus, Disney managed to "please the community" while also making lots of money.

[@Ramsey276one]

6:39. PEOPLE CAN BE FRIENDS AND NOT BE GAY BUMPING RIGHT TIMON AND PUMBAA?? Rule34 is not canon so never mind...

[@aimeewilson6682]

I think people think they are gay because the actors have said in interviews that they acted them to be in a gay relationship. So their characters come off that way.

[@Hammer_Of_Olympia]

Gev L' Sant ahhh right I see what you mean, that makes sense to be fair. Corporations will be corporations

[@gbdeck200]

This People see two be friendly and tries to ship them, ridiculous the irony of these shippers

[@jumwilson]

".... has less lines than Ana paquin" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@HolocronStudios]

0:59 is no one gonna talk about how he said ‘Rise of the Skywalker’

[@lostinmyimagination7485]

Yeah it made me wince 😑

[@valentinaosorio6842]

This entire movie had me screaming in frustration on the inside because I couldn't actually yell in the theater