StarCraft 1 Spells are OVERPOWERED in StarCraft 2!

[@alexbernat5952]

In the fight to become the top next-generation RTS, we now have Stormgate, Zero Space, and SC Brood War 😂

[@yuku6921]

Broodwar will never be out of the running

[@ElGoogKO]

There's no fight The next gen rts was and seems it is starcaft 3 (sc 1 + sc 2) Thge other garbage you named is irellevant starcraft knockoffs

[@SquintyGears]

​@@ElGoogKOI know you're joking, but garbage is a little too aggressive. Let's not be hurtful to the new little guys.

[@alyxrjames322]

@@ElGoogKO Lets not kid ourselves this mod is cool and all but it is horribly unbalanced compared to zerospace and stormgate. Going forward I see a majority of SC players going to zerospace since it is the spiritual successor sc2 more so than this mod and stormgate.

[@beastierbeast5569]

Beyond all reason to fun

[@alejandrotevez6302]

"The arbiter counters everything that is not a defiler" Artosis

[@Mithguar]

Fun fact about mind control in Broodwar. Supply of each race was considered different kind of supply. So if you took control of enemy worker and start building up, You could build up to 600 supply (200 for each race if you play against 2 opponents with different races), making Protoss kind of busted xD

[@Saren-yc1rk]

Sure you can, but it's something nearly impossible to execute properly Because: 1) Snatched worker can die just immediately even by the hand of other workers around 2) Building up the whole infrastructure of another race is already a lot of time and money, and upgrades are even more costly, we aren't even talking 200 supply army here 3) Unless map is really huge, you might even get out of free space building all the stuff for all the races I assume most you can do ususally is just reiforce your army with something that has tons of value for the cost. Like medics and seige tanks.

[@glassdtomato4046]

@@Saren-yc1rk i might remember this wrong but if you mind con a unit that already has upgrades and then you mind con the worker you don't have to make those upgrades since it just gives it to you, right?

[@ThatVulcan]

@@glassdtomato4046 No Armor, Weapon, Shield upgrades, only ability unlocks iirc

[@Rikard_Nilsson]

There's also the fact that Zerg creep prevented any other races building from building on it so it had to be separated. The more overpowered thing was that you could Recall sieged tanks (they did patch that out eventually because it was soooo broken, just send in a bunch of arbiters into the enemy base and suddenly a cloaked ball of death nuking everything into dust.)

[@humanbeing2282]

“Nexus first into … forge?” Hearing lowko express such confusion at basic brood war opening optimization is very funny. For those not in the know maps in brood war have to be balanced around what can and can’t be done. Entrances to bases have to be wide but not so wide as to make it impossible to defend against a four pool. Most modern maps, including fighting spirit, are designed to allow for a wall off against early aggression in order to get a fast expansion up. For Protoss it’s usually gateway and forge with a single zealot to plug the hole. In brood war canons are very necessary to defend against a wide variety of early Zerg rushes.

[@SanityDrop]

Good ol times

[@Boots43096]

i remember forge first being common for a while in sc2 as well. It wasn't until LOTV that they completely fell out of favor except for cannon rushes.

[@joefer5360]

33:58 The sacrificial Reaver to distract the broodlings. Wow.

[@mikeez4013]

That's a hella smart move

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

"I don't see how zerg counters maelstrom and stasis" SC2 ultra being immune to both: am I a joke to you?

[@williamking331]

Huh, I didn't know that

[@WolfgangGaming-xq5rm]

The issue I see with that is that essentially P1vZ2 is just the Zerg rushing to Ultras

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

@@WolfgangGaming-xq5rm isn't rushing the counter for an endgame tier unit kind of a bad idea?

[@MrTBSC]

@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz p2 would have more answers to z2 Ultras but p1? not really ... p1 more or less has to play dragoon+templar+zealot+reaver ... carrierrush is expensive and z2 very likely will have answers to that ...

[@saturnv2419]

Stasis would work on Ultra, not maelstrom.

[@Lilah_Lazuli]

no +3 melee and no adrenal glands was painful for how much lings and ultras he made.

[@bloodydove5718]

Yea I was looking at that the entire time lol, could have been a very different game if he spent some of those floating resources on his melee upgrades sooner

[@thijsjong]

Shuttle speed?

[@Lilah_Lazuli]

@@thijsjong what about it?

[@Nazz-b7p]

SC2 Psionic Storm deals 80 damage in the target area in small packets over 2.85 seconds, and hits both air and ground units. It injures friendly units caught in the area of effect of 1.5 SC Brood War Inflicts total 112 damage to all units within a target area over 3 seconds (14 damage in 8-frames intervals, starting from the 16th frame after cast, resulting in 8 damage instances over 64 frames).

[@gunkanjima3408]

Storm in SC2 always bothered me because it never felt like a truly dire situation. In BW, if you even see a HT you run 😂

[@Rikard_Nilsson]

I'm pretty sure it covered a much larger area in SC1 too.

[@thijsjong]

@@Rikard_Nilsson area 1,5 is pathetic. SC2 storm feels so underpowered.

[@NexusNoxCS]

The thing I really love about this mod is that it's basically following in the footsteps of Command and Conquer 3 & Kane's Wrath and what that game did with sub-factions. Which added a whole lot more depth and choice and playstyle differentiation to that game. I mean, there will arise a need to balance some things eventually, when the meta is more understood, but even the concept of having SC2 engine and 6 factions to choose from.. that's undeniably refreshing and exiting and can only be a good thing for both games.

[@henriquepereira2413]

Loving the SC: Evo content, Lowko. Keep up xD

[@nonyabusiness-f9e]

i know its hard work to make custom assets but i would love to see a brood war star style photon cannon. those things are sick.

[@caelestigladii]

The whac-a-mole cannons.

[@kevinavila9489]

The bottlecaps of death

[@benbourke3655]

They'll get there eventually I'm sure, they only just released BW overlord and muta models.

[@literatemax]

It was so stupid even back in Brood War but I would love to see the OG Banelings: Infested Terrans

[@jvvillan5]

"Live for the swarm" -The living nuke called Infested Terran.

[@rjmaxx1258]

I seem to recall them moving really fast too.

[@Rikard_Nilsson]

@@rjmaxx1258 yeah they did 500 damage and moved like as fast as spider-mines.

[@justifiable]

REAVER REAVER REAVER REAVER REAVER

[@alejandrotevez6302]

RIVO RIVO RIVO RIVO RIVO

[@MrTBSC]

reaver >>>>>>>>>> disruptor

[@alexandrebrochu4265]

Lowko: "More StarCraft Evolution?" Everyone here: "Yes please" Edit: You mention at 25:05 that Arbiter does not have an attack which is incorrect. At least in Brood Wars they had an attack and still had in Legacy of the Void campaign. Unless the mod creator tweaked it to remove the Arbiter attack.

[@fmikuru]

funnily enough the arbiter actually attacks while lowko was talking about it

[@Tarojun_Zakra]

They've always had an attack in all variations. In SC1 though, its attack is a pitifully weak one that is on the level of ladder SC2 High Templars, of 10 damage of Explosive type. Translates into 5 damage to small, 7.5 on medium, and 10 on large.

[@selectivepontification8766]

He said the Arbiter does not have an attack *spell* - i.e. an ability that does damage (like Psi Storm or Fungal Growth).

[@artcrafter9941]

14:00 what a beautiful "Artosis Pylon"

[@Cell8230]

YES please do more sc1 vs sc2 vids.

[@SOULsick0]

this mod has really peaked my fancy for starcraft again.

[@rayzerot]

Right? Me too

[@StaySmirnov]

“Never seen this match up yet”, literally streamed it before) love you man. Getting old sucks.

[@ZerglingLover]

don’t gotta do him like that man

[@MilesMaddock]

I haven’t played or watched StarCraft since maybe 2017 but I’ve recently started watching your videos again; very happy to see you’re still at it Lowko!

[@omarrodelomadrid6636]

31:38 "that was she said" hahahahahah i get that reference Michael Scott xD

[@flamerollerx01]

I've been saying it since this trend to play this mod started, that more players need to start using the brood war spells and finally, someone did! Now I wanna see some sc1 Terran using lockdown vs sc2 Terran mech/protoss mech (sc1/2).

[@berniea.rodriguezp.977]

Lowko, the Arbiter does have an attacking ability. It has the same attacking ability as the dragoon, but it's just too slow.

[@TyphoonJig]

It's not the same as the dragoon, it deals half as much damages. And dragoon DPS is already not that great.

[@selectivepontification8766]

"Attacking ability" refers to an ability/spell that deals damage, which the Arbiter never had. What you're referring to is usually just considered a "basic attack" or "right-click" in most game casts

[@Zeknif1]

10:20 Ah yes, the control group Dark Archon walking right into the middle of your own storms and the enemy army because you tried casting without energy… I do not miss this.

[@Mikivericks]

Thanks for the video, Lowko. Can never get enough of this.

[@SanityDrop]

the sole reason why Terran bio units (marines & medics) are never used against Protoss in SC1 was Reavers and Psionic Storms, spells were nasty back then

[@Taron_HaiTar]

4:04 First of all, in this version of a mod you *can* see BW on BW, I've seen couple of games like that. Secondly, there are 2 other versions of this mod, although not activly supported, from the devs comments on *some* of the videos (Also, I don't remember the names of other versions, so I will give summary descriptions of them): First one is what I call "More Balance edition", because it features more balance changes, aswell as completly new units and upgrades; Second one is purely Starcraft 1/Brood War in Starcraft 2 - no Sc2 races and *most* mecanics from Starcraft 1 are present, such as highground miss chance.

[@PoopTown]

32:55 "You wanna see if I've got the minerals?"

[@raulpacheco7488]

I love these SC2 vs SC1. Keep them coming!

[@coreycritoph2836]

I hope you cast more of these normal competitive games are nice but this is a breath of fresh air and new entertainment thank you lowko

[@hellowill]

Wow this is what SC2 toss should have been. No warp gate or mothership (death ball) gimmicks. Just solid units and abilities.

[@myname-ns1rp]

sc2 toss exactly its just a selection of cheeses like a charcuterie board. there's little solid reliable units. high templar are okay but not as good as sc1. mass stalkers with some immortals and a couple colossi. or go skytoss. those are your options for a somewhat reliable army. even then 4/5 will die to terran bioball. if you survive that, you're against vikings and thors+siege.

[@bloodydove5718]

I think SC1 spells are more powerful for a few reasons such as them being balanced for a game that has much more challenging unit control. Like... Storm damage doesnt stack, and if you're not up on your control, you'll accidentally waste A Lot of templar energy accidentally telling all of them to storm the exact same area. Meanwhile SC2 Storm is much more user-friendly thus energy efficient, so SC2 reducing its damage and duration seems very reasonable in that context.

[@alderweghier3935]

More starcraft Evolution? Hell yeah!

[@drivingonice]

about 20 years ago I was playing one of the big money maps and went scouts. had about 3 dozen when my opponent scouted them. He mocked me called me a noob. and challenged me to attack him. So I flew around to the back side of his base and destroyed his mining before he could get his goliaths back to his base. The goliaths moved in single file through his base so he couldn't bring them in any significant numbers. Scouts had their place.

[@leifkhas7425]

Very true. Scouts can be good when you have a stupid amount of them and can maneuver them around an enemy ground army especially. The thing is your oppenent has to be pretty bad in the first place for you to ever have 3 hotkeys of them in the first place.

[@drivingonice]

@@leifkhas7425 This is really only possible on big money maps. when you have almost unlimited minerals and gas it becomes a much more viable thing. In addition it was a 3 vs 3 so there was plenty going on.

[@myname-ns1rp]

Keyword: big money maps. for those 3 scout groups you could have 2 carrier groups. unless you were purely going against an air army, you'd always choose the carriers. with a couple arbiters splashed in.

[@Deathshade175]

Honestly one of the reasons I really enjoy your StarCraft content is because you use clean language and I don’t have to worry about hearing you swear. ❤ I appreciate your efforts and love your content!

[@Spartsou]

YES, more StarCraft Evolution!!! oh, I totally forgot about the different way to spread creep in BW, lol and....ah, the SC1 DT attack sound :D 25:03 Lowko: obviously the Arbital doesn't have a attacking ability of its own Me: it attacked just before you said that, lol *lowko blindness strikes again*

[@leifkhas7425]

no attacking "ability" aka, the arbiter doesn't have the raven's seeker missile.

[@ivantuvic53]

By my knowledge, the Arbiter does have an attack ability though. @25:07

[@Agniox]

When I saw how similar the Stasis VFX and Sentry fields look, the first thing that popped to mind was to break it with Ravager biles.

[@TheFRealBoggieMan]

Yea, that was a big discussion point around early WOL days. The way units stack up in SC2 makes AOE insanely strong. Siege tanks used to deal full 80 damage to both light and armored units in SC2, that was nerfed heavily, a line of tanks would blast zealots from the AOE alone. Storm was nerfed aswell. The deathball meta that followed the nerfs to AOE damage was the first thing that made BW veterans realise it was not gonna be the same, some quit at that point and went back to BW.

[@andrewwood1364]

These games have made me go back and watch your play through of sc1 again lmao

[@timberger895]

if a barcode player prefers the armour upgrade instead of the weapon upgrade it is 100% Byun

[@Nick-hi9gx]

Protoss: most advanced species in the galaxy. Also protoss: shuttle moves 6 miles per hour.

[@Erebus2075]

26:54 problem is they are core off all armies and only P should have many spellcasters off different types with huge impact. terran should only have nukes,emp and armor missile; stuff where adding more doesnt do much, zergs should be basically spellcaster free; with their spellcasters more like harassing units like plague cast, the kill twin unit spawn spell, etc. where again massing them is no more effective than having a few off them. in short races should have different strength but through the balance off numbers and lack off focus on anything everything has turned out to just be the same, its a question off math with no uncertainties other than your lack off apm and ability to focus under stress; which are not things i personally enjoy being tested

[@AdamTheFanatic]

24:55 - Don't you mean the Ravens look like Terran Arbiters?

[@itsBenjamon]

More starcraft evolution please, it has reinvigorated my interest in starcraft

[@normanharrison8215]

The final clash was so epic

[@Horgel864]

more starcraft evolution? YES PLEASE!

[@BandanRRChannel]

Loving these games! Fun to see the old vs the new!

[@bayanzabihiyan7465]

Maelstrom is basically old fungal growth with no projectile that also prevents attacking. In combination with storm beats everything except ultras.

[@unnamedlegeon]

I want to see Serral play SC1 Zerg in the future match ups 😁

[@andreyfrantov1]

Finally protoss feels stable and powerful again.

[@LDSG_A_Team]

Man, I kinda hope that the Brood War archons in this mod get their attack animations reworked. I loved how beefy their attacks looked in SC1

[@stalwart56k]

Malestorm into Psi-storm is my favorite. Ah nostalgia ^_^

[@SquintyGears]

I think the SC2 spellcasters would benefit from a little more rock paper scissors interaction. The only 2 existing interactions they have that I can think of is the range of feedback (vs ghost and/or vipers) and the neural a ghost to emp the whole group. I image a setup where EMP and Guardian Shield could have an interaction. And maybe in the case of this mod maybe dark swarm? Where EMP gets lower impact under the shield or they cancel eachother on contact or something. I think we shouldn't do a straight up nerf or massive change to any of the spellcasters because it'll feel terrible. But adding interactions will just make the game more dynamic and fun.

[@potatopc9205]

as i expected in game even you have large base or territory tactics always is the key

[@Rancidtunip]

My favorite SC unit in my game is the reavers, so if I see one, I click.

[@MilanKovacs-kc8ik]

Yo great video! Also arbiters do have attack of their own, its just quite weak

[@falblinger7015]

please keep the SC2 Evo content coming!

[@SarusMindfury]

Can a SCII Infestor control an SCI drone and make a hatchery? If they do, do he has to upgrade the SCII units separated of the SCI ones? Does anything get shared other than the creep?

[@Erebus2075]

that was actually a ridiculessly cool game. damn protoss need their good combo abilities back, and Z need their big scary monsters etc.. it looks damn cool. a ttw SC mod could be awesome :P

[@PhyloGenesis]

10:10 that would make this ZvBP into a ZBPvZBP.

[@PantoniStrikesBack]

This mod looks freaking amazing... I would love to see a "mixture" of both though. Old zerg with the new creep mechanics, old protoss with the new warping mechanics, and old terran with reactors/techlabs. Kind of the old units with the new mechanics (the flying queen spreading creep would be weird, tbh)

[@bloodydove5718]

Im just waiting to see the infested command centers for the Old banelings lol

[@atticmusicgggg]

Compared to maelstrom and stasis, seems ghost's lockdown is way less obnoxious. Lockdown can only do mechanical units, terran don't have a big AOE that hits both ground and air follow up usually. Although I always find lockdown very hard to deal with.

[@asianrollzz648]

if you use Sc1 defilers against Sc2 terran... do they have any melee other than hellbats? Also arbiters do have an attack, it does 10 damg and its very very slow AS.

[@BesfrenOnlinegamerz]

It would be funny if the Protoss 1 mind controlled a Zerg 2 drone while the Zerg 2 mind controls a Protoss 1 probe making it a really cursed game.

[@Hyushi_sama]

Spells in BW were game changing and mandatory for your army late game especially. SC2 Had just broken spells like infested terran from the infesters that could carry a game its self. Bw had deflinars that had dark swarm, and the red goo, which will literally make your ground army UNSTOPPABLE. high templars and the archons with mind control, psi storm, maelstorm which could Literally WIPE OUT ANY ARMY. Arbitars which would cloak thousands of carriers and air units, then recall mass reavers in your base, while freezing your WHOLE ARMY in place...... Terran had all the counter tools spells like EMP shockwave, Energy shields, Irradiate (poison ability that works against all bio... and lockdown which could help against protoss army alot. Every race in SCBW had a spell that was broken, or could counter any other race. They all had broken abilities that made them soo good. But ive always thought zergs had the CHEAPEST abilities in BW, while protoss just had all the CHEESE abilities... Terran was just overly technical. I use to play alot in my childhood days. Played alot of 1v1 on non money maps and money maps, and a shit ton of UMS. i lived on SC BW.

[@Jaewon19991]

Like how Sc2 zerg players are btching about spells after their insane spellcaster run with infested terrans, queen shenanigans, abductions etc. MAKE PROTOSS GREAT AGAINNNNNN

[@tehli6726]

Plz do more SC Evo. It feels like a whole new game w all the new matchups

[@rotteneggs29]

You know that barcode has never played Broodwar Toss before with that Reaver play

[@TestingChannel1407]

More Starcraft Evolution? More Starcraft Evolution!!

[@Bloodian]

I'm really hoping we get a SC1 Zerg game; I wanna see how absolutely bonkers the Defiler/Queen is!

[@f00dify]

In Brood War if you can get away with it going Nexus first is a very strong build Mini almost always goes for it in ASL matches if he can. The combination of Maelstrom and Storm is soo good Best destroyed Action in their round of 8 match during ASL S15. I also think Lowko needs to cast the Action vs Sn0w during the SC1 Vs SC2 Supermatch.

[@MrPbhuh]

Brood War vs SC2 is so interesting. Brood War lacks so many units compared to SC2. Gateway for Broodwar is 4 units, for SC2 its 6. Dragoons dont have an active ability. Zealots don't. Sentry is a whole new spellcaster. Adept is another active extra unit. When you build a robo facility you get 3 units in SC2 vs 1 in Brood War. Brood War requires a building for every new unit: Observatory, Robotics Bay Same for Terran, Academy for Firebat + research instead of a techlab/reactor Meanwhile Zerg do still get the whole building unlocks new things with Baneling Next, but ravager doesn't require it. It's very interesting how Bloated SC2 is and how it incorporated elements from warcraft 3 to the starcraft universe with all the new active spells and side units.

[@firestarter000001]

Bloated? i think bw actually lacks funcionality in those early mid game units and it shows. SC2 races seem to have much more harrasing possibilities and mobility compared , even if their units seem on average weaker in head on combat.

[@bloodydove5718]

Broodwar had a lot of active spells, that didnt start in WC3. I mean the science vessel, queen, arbiter, etc. are all about those; not sure what you mean by side units; do you mean free units, tech req units, or something similar to hero units?

[@MrPbhuh]

@@bloodydove5718 broodwars spellcasters were specific seperate units like the Warcraft 2 spellcasters. But in sc2 you get more active abilities on every unit. Which is something that started in Warcraft 3. Charge for zealots in sc2 vs movespeed increase in BW or Raiders in Warcraft 3 having ensnare and ghouls having Canabalize. Which is somewhat similar to basically all Stargate and Gateway units having abilities to press.

[@ThesGt]

storm in SC2 in WOL was like this but they nerf it bc it was too easy for P to smart cast it, so it was nerfed to what it is now days

[@tacdragzag7464]

So the mad men remade Fighting Spirit indeed XD

[@TheClandestineFox]

I was kinda hoping to see some defiler swarms over those ultralisks or a plague on the enemy army.

[@its2three4]

storm in brood war did 112 damage over 8 ticks and it ticks once ever .33s (starting 0.67s after the spell is cast is the first tick) (taken from liquidpedia)

[@thesquisheee]

Has there been many sc1sc2 mirror matches? Would be interesting to see how BW protoss holds againts sc2 protoss

[@juansebastian2858]

Oh lowko you are so funny I already clicked the like button

[@mobi2289]

The spells in bw are stronger simply because there are less of them. Also, casting spells in bw was far more difficult. If you selected multiple casters and cast a spell, ALL the casters would cast that spell. So you would build a small number of casters to augment your army to make it easier to keep them spread out. Deathballing in bw was basically never done and major fights would be engaged at multiple points across entire maps with a stream of units.

[@faycal799]

Can we see some zerg gameplay ? Especially how defilers plague work on marine bio sc2

[@purpleisthesneakiest]

SC1 Psi Storm is 112 damage over 2.97 seconds - 14 damage per second! Dark Archons do theoretically counter Vipers - assuming that the variables stayed the same, they have a range of 10 on their Feedback compared to the Vipers' range of 9 on Abduct. Also, SC1 Feedback's damage is 1-to-1, instead of the halved damage of SC2. There could be shenanigans with unit size and cast time, though, so I dunno if it'd really work out in the Dark Archon's favor. I think that the answer to Ultralisks is to drop DTs on the Cavern.

[@leifkhas7425]

yep. As a SC1 player who went into playing SC2, I was somewhat dissapointed with the new psi storm I tho not at all surprised. In SC1, if you see a HT you run until you can kill it from range, always. It was very powerful, especially when BW came out and now you have maelstrom. Tho you can always spawn brood it with a queen or irradiate it with science vessel.

[@rafakolak5840]

can you pernament clock zerg units with burrow using arbiter trick in sc2?

[@SolusEmsu]

I dedicate this game to the one singular Protoss Scout, The One Scout! ♥

[@keenheat3335]

every time zealot get leg enhancement upgrade, I keep imagine they just wear taller platform shoe. So technically they run faster from having longer leg.

[@stephanwalter1467]

Is there some statistical evaluation of what wins mostly

[@juztina7346]

i remember i was able to mind control ultralisk in brood war?

[@bloodydove5718]

Yea I dont remember any unit being off limits back then, but the SC2 units do have things that would make them immune. Im pretty sure a SC1 Ultra would still be MCable, just not the SC2 version.

[@leifkhas7425]

@@bloodydove5718 correct. Hell even a drone can be mind controlled. And with each race having a separate supply, you can have 600 supply in theory. Of course if you have that much minerals and time to build an entire separate army your enemy has bigger problems to worry about. One thing it could be good in, super late game if the Terran is really turtling, is if you build medics on top of you zealots. Getting the command center, barracks and armory isn't that much of a commit and is really quite overpowered to help your ground army push into tank, missile turret turtle.

[@Erebus2075]

14:26 cant dark archon mind control them`?, else archons should do fine vs. them, -5 dmg on 30+ is not an issue; else oldstyle arbitor freeze it, or scarebs 4-8 off them should one shot them. there are so many options, just depend off ability usage or big units, instead of just having the tech and producing the magic counter unit sc2 balance style

[@tyraelgoo]

I think that if you have BWP vs SC2Z, you can both mind control and neutral parasite the other, and technically play BWP,SC2Z mirror matchup

[@SNBgames]

I wish you kept the original player colors during these. I know it's easier to cast when the colors are distinct but there's such nice variety in the colors and it's a bit shame we keep seeing the same red & blue all the time. Great vids always though!

[@IExistSometimes]

In the UK tribunal is pronounced tribe-you-null, I've never heard it pronounced trib

[@flamerollerx01]

Same for every English speaking country. Lowko is European.

[@kadindarklord]

Couple questions. Is this wholly PVP, or can you play against the AI? Also, can I play only Brood War vs Brood War Units? I ask, because I'd love to see a Brood War vs Brood Wat match, if they do...

[@TheBikeOnTheMoon]

I wonder if the modder can make it so that DT in BW don't give out the alarm when they 1 shot things. It would make BW DT stand out more than SC2 counter part.

[@Starsword1989]

Previously one of the theoretical explanations for SC2's Storms getting damage nerf was that SC2 units are more clumped than SC1. However with this mod, it would seem that SC1's Storms are objectively better than SC2's.

[@leifkhas7425]

SC1 storm are better in every way than SC2 storm. The only exception is it is more difficult to micro a HT, and if you have all your HT selected they will all storm unlike in SC2 which is a huge waste of energy, but honestly that is just a huge noob error.

[@realteoh]

YES MORE PLEASE

[@prismaticbeetle3194]

man i love to see a terran SC2 bioball get wiped of the face of the universe with a few upgraded reavers

[@efkankilinc]

At least the cost for scouts is reduced from 275/150 to 250/100. I'm not sure if it was 150 or 200 gas earlier in BW.

[@1lomi901]

Can't wait for sc2 units in a sc1 mod

[@phaledax3661]

Anyone know a guide on how to use SC: Evo, the ones I find are play melee with the mod map and that's it, but I am unfamiliar with adding Mods. so like a total guide

[@tMac720]

When you create a lobby, after you choose a map in the "Custom" -> "Melee" menu, you click on "Create lobby" right ? Well right next to it, there's a button "Create with mod" : you click on it, and the game will show a bunch of mods (just like it shows maps, in a "Select Extension Mod" window). You can then either find the mod in the list or use the search bar in the top right corner to find it using it's name (SC: Evo Complete iirc), and then you click on "Create lobby". Each player in the lobby can choose if they want to use SC2 or BW with an extra button next to handicap setting (it defaults on BW I think). Note that you can only use a single mod when creating a lobby. I hope it'll help you :D

[@inoursh]

we need a same-race (sc2 vs brood war)

[@txopin]

If only one of the players typed "show me the money" in one of these matches... That would be hilarious.