StarCraft 2 faces StarCraft 1! Who wins?

[@benmcm77]

Love to see more SC:evo! And the Brenda content was too good!

[@thewhiteinknight]

yesss!! SC:evo is so good! Are there any SC1 VS SC1 matchups in Evo??

[@hyperonestarcraft]

@@thewhiteinknight generally not, SC: Evo Complete is the BW vs SC2 mod at its core, so it is balanced for that and not BW vs BW.

[@slayerboi7008]

Didn't know Brenda was down for the young ones

[@SavantSvant]

"It was just a dream Susan" "they gave it to us and then they took it away" With that sad violin playing in the background! Priceless! 😂❤😂😢

[@wojtekm4845]

59:08 Love it! :D

[@Q_z_]

After all these years of listening to Brenda ramble about being able to fly I can see it happen with my very own two eyes

[@LeafMaltieze]

Glad to see more Evo Complete content. I've been missing it.

[@pitecusH]

On the topic of sunken colonies being the daddy spine crawlers, they also have a very important difference: sunkens are growers, whereas spines are showers. IYKYK.

[@shadowdrake082]

@49:30 Since I started watching you have I never realized how much I missed seeing the sound of joy between Brenda and Susan talking about the fact they could fly again. And then all the queens died xD. No wonder they talk so bitterly about the war. They got sniped by ghosts and lost their ability to fly.

[@Appletank8]

So sad, they took a bullet to the knee.

[@hexaquras9374]

34:43 The Queen broodling spell only works on mechanical units with pilots in them, disruptors and colossi which are AI are immune to spawn broodling (Learned that the hard way)

[@TheHalogen131]

Yep, the difference between **Mechanical** and **Robotic**

[@orenjineko646]

24:18 Medic's restoration can cure statuses (plague, irradiation, flare/blind, parasite detected and devourer's acid.) But if those many units cluttered together got hit by plague, might as well send those units to attack, it's either drain their hp or drain medivac/medic's energy to heal.

[@momom6197]

SC2 don't have restoration, but you can send the units in timeout until the plague expires then heal them

[@nytmaire74]

51:10 yeah overmind was right, get a ghost from the terran it will be the most poweful being in the universe those poor guardians

[@kion_dgl]

that was the most discusting thing i have ever seen in my life

[@umrete]

cut ghost dmg by 75%, make it slow/move as the high templar, make it 3 limit, remove the auto snipe (honestly I didn't think it had an auto-cast) and make it light unit so it can die as fast as the infestor

[@ericwolf9664]

@@umrete Have infestors give up neural parasite while giving some beefiness improvements to corruptors vs other air units and you just might be onto something.

[@PJOZeus]

@@ericwolf9664 if you remove neural, you lose against thor every single game that makes it to that point You cannot strip anything more from zerg in their current state without them having massive massive vulnerabilities (not to mention infestors would be reduced to practically a single spell, almost redundant to have the unit by then)

[@ericwolf9664]

@PJOZeus Maybe if we're only discussing live Thor's, I am presuming this is going alongside the balance patch that shortens the range to roughly the same as an unupgraded lurker. Also the main thing that prevented it from being yoink fodder was the ghost anyways. The fact is that being able to tech/army swap on the fly is literally zergs biggest strength. As far as the spell bit, being able to invalidate EVERY late game unit while also having stealth has never been healthy for balance and the ghost and the infestor are both guilty of it.

[@unfies]

23:40 when BW came out - I was playing Protoss campaign and there was a corner I forgot about. For minutes a dragoon and a hydrants and a defiler hung out. No one doing any damage to anyone else. So in the original - yes - everyone under thr cloud gets the buff.

[@vic1ous511]

It's basically who has the strongest melee warriors wins Lurk > DT > Firebat > rest Yes, you can straight out lose to a group of DTs or Firebats under the Swarm if not having Lurkers

[@Compulsive_LARPer]

@@vic1ous511 "What are Ultralisks?"

[@vic1ous511]

@Compulsive_LARPer IMO not performing that well as it sounds on paper, but it's better than nothing My point is people use predominantly for Lings, and they are great, but unless having Lurk to accompany sometimes can backfire badly

[@Compulsive_LARPer]

I think we are referring to different games. But I see your point; I was just being a d-bag. Have a good one mate.

[@duckbilldaniel]

Thanks winter for this entertainment. I don't usually respond/engage with videos, but this was a joy to watch, and a little bit of encouragement on a hard day is appreciated. Thanks random internet dude.

[@petitcochon85]

Winter doest know.. Dark was premier Zerg player on SKT SC1 team along with legends like Fantasy and Bisu. Dark was one of the younger players on that loaded team and was a regular starter as their main Zerg.

[@pitecusH]

Of course Dark is well versed in SC1... He had to beat his wife's father in the game before he could marry her!

[@chloesmith4065]

I remember this urban legend!

[@cgjoh]

This mod looks more balanced than regular sc2. I need this in my life.

[@Minedyourfeet]

How to spot a terran.

[@scarletspidernz]

51:08 are you sure? lol

[@cgjoh]

@scarletspidernz yes, having a counter to a strat isn't broken, only of there's no counter to the counter. That's what we call dynamism

[@emissarygw2264]

@@scarletspidernz lmao when I saw that, but yeah tbh idc if it's imbalanced or not because it's way more fun and interesting watching these games than sc2 or sc1 alone. The diversity of having 6 'factions' is fantastic.

[@ben123a9]

I see SC2 evo, I like. No but honestly it's so refreshing to see new strategies since the SC2 pro scene right now is pretty decided

[@typoko]

I have been sick for over a week. Watching SC has been a good way to distract myself.

[@josearmandogomezrocabado537]

This is what artosis wants when he says he wants things less predictable in sc2 😂😂

[@RochaHigor]

People discussing return to 6 worker start while should be discussing this mod to be the main version of the game

[@chloesmith4065]

both!

[@riitiris8662]

First set of games I've seen in a long time where ghosts were actually interesting to watch. balanced or not maps like the one at 55:06 is what makes for good starcraft viewing.

[@lorddryp]

Like this SC1 vs SC2 matchups. This is great! Something new and refreshing!

[@danielowens3165]

"they dont do that much damage" -blinks for 2 seconds spirit is deleted- "weeeeelllll, maybe"

[@Brokenstep]

He could have Irradiated his Science vessels and flown around the locusts to kill them. Used to take 2 SV to a mineral line irradiate another and then patrol to kill all the workers.

[@megajunior58]

These games were amazing. I hope that you cast more SC evo in the future

[@umrete]

I would like to see SC: Brood War games in the SC2 engine. Where the units are smarter you know... :D

[@llamadelreyii3369]

SC evo legacy is basically that

[@momom6197]

I love how the maps look very distinctly SC1

[@100thMkey]

I Literally have Flash Backs to the Brood War every time I see Guardians... they took so Much From me

[@haptalktv9322]

lol at the queens can fly the voice change is hilarious

[@ExecutorElassus]

Oh man, the tileset for the Neo Isles map is _straight_ out of Brood War, and hoo boy does that bring back memories. Thanks, Winter, as always, for being the _most_ professional StarCraft 1 and 2.

[@Fiasc0Z0rus]

YASS!!! Day got more than a lil bit better. 2 bests things combined. SC EVO casted by Winter!!! The sc1 sounds fx makes me so nostalgic! MOREEE

[@AkCorky]

My god, game 4 was painful! Brenda flies again! For a little while anyway..

[@umrete]

never forgetti

[@izaakkemp8938]

So sad to hear you missed out on SC1 when it came out. Makes me appreciate the memories more.

[@116th]

From tuning in to every new Winter SC upload, hitting the Like button is so automatic that, after a few mins in fullscreen, I had to exit and check whether I hit the button already.

[@unfies]

49:41 talk to me candy cane

[@chrishaywood2458]

Thanks for covering this content! This is the mod I play when I log in so keep it up!

[@carcharhinus_555]

Oh my... the last game was kinda the first SC2 game *ever* where I rooted for terrans!

[@gustavomolinari7522]

BW marine guns sounded futuristic, zerglings sounded like aliens when they died instead of a cockroach bring stepped on, firebats were rad.

[@ChrisPinnell-h4p]

Spirit is using irradiate wrong he should irradiate both his own vessels and move command through mineral lines

[@TysonJensen]

12 workers instead of 6 made a lot of cheese irrelevant and made the game a lot more predictable. Just going back to 6 would be terrible -- they should go back to 6 and do the thing they should have done in the first place -- both players start with 300 minerals + 200 gas (or whatever -- we'd need to experiment). So if you want to cheese you instantly start that cheese, if you want to go econ you instantly start your defense. It's the sitting around mining that we want to avoid, right?

[@quintyss1290]

I see Winter and Dark combo, I insta click!

[@ppp-zi3uu]

Ghosts just casually wipe all zerg air is literally cause me physical pain lol

[@pablolimbo3195]

Nooooh 😭, they are BaLanCeeEd!

[@vic1ous511]

Not yet, but they will when costing 3 supply

[@PJOZeus]

@@vic1ous511 3 supply doesn't stop that Oh no, instead of losing 18 mutalisks in seconds he only loses 13!, Especially on an island map, let alone with orbitals and mules, you can afford to just max out on ghosts and there is *nothing* that stops that 3 supply might be enough on a normal map, but it's far from enough on anything gimmicky like that

[@chloesmith4065]

doesn't change the 100 HP and 20 DMG vs light autoattack ​@@vic1ous511

[@ryanaegis3544]

Zerg do the same thing with Scourge.

[@gustavomolinari7522]

Great, great, great! I was waiting for another from SCI vs SCII. It would also be cool if they added a game mode to this mod where you could play with ALL the units from both games. Could also add the units from campaign. That would be my wish. Thanks, Winter! 🔰

[@rmelzhim6033]

Seeing Sc1 in SC2 is just wow. The old audio sound effects alone makes the combat so much better and easier to understand. Most of the zerg units, especially the ground units, the SC1 look so much better than the SC2 versions too I think.

[@LegendaryRiot]

I would love to see brood war races battle it out on the SCII engine. That would be fun to watch the old school in a modernized platform.

[@crapsound]

I was rooting for Terran to win...but it's Dark....now I'm torn.

[@Compulsive_LARPer]

51:10 LMFAO Guardians looked better than Brood Lords, just until they didn't.

[@Patrick-ng1vg]

Yeeess!! I was hoping these would come back!

[@LucianDevine]

I was too! I was wondering just a few days ago if we'd be getting anymore Starcraft Evo!

[@roadtrip6075]

The two science vessels should use eradicate on each other and fly over zerg units instead of using the skill on a single ling.

[@carcharhinus_555]

Oh my, I miss the Guardian so much! Ever since they annihilated my BW Skytoss 🙂

[@willdem8403]

Love the Brenda banter and seeing some more dark games!

[@gregjohnsen5371]

Fire it up lets burn!

[@orenjineko646]

32:04 Cyclone is basically the RA2 IFV without ability to load an infantry.

[@elasiduo108]

It's always nice to see Brenda flying like in the good old days.

[@Boots43096]

good to know people still play this mod lol i was worried it had already fallen into obscurity. Did they change the lurker model recently? I don't remember it looking like that before but it's amazing!

[@foberdud7576]

Yea I love this mod! I hear brood war units don’t do well against sc2 but I hope this stays relevant for a long time to come

[@samcrespo2314]

Excellent series! Thank you for posting and please post more evo complete (especially BW v BW)

[@luisg8873]

Wraith vs sentry who wins?

[@colinfraser7150]

More Dark! Yes! Best way to start the day! Thanks Winter!!

[@michaelpopa5317]

more of these! THOSE SNIPES!

[@catbert7]

I would absolutely love to see more of these SC1 and WC3 mods. They're so much more interesting than the same stuff we've been watching for a decade! 23:50: Half the Terran army down to 1 HP and he didn't attack?? 54:45: Blizzard canceled the wrong Ghost...

[@miza6]

Sc1 sounds stir up so much good nostalgia. Love the marine and seige tank

[@AlejandroMPozo]

I totally loved this games! I love sc1 terrans and zergs so much, i can say i like this videos more than normal sc2 videos!

[@laureloneiros1500]

crazy how those ghosts killed like 100 supply and did not even spend half their energy

[@LucianDevine]

Everybody knows that Zerglings have clarms Winter! Get it together!

[@pavelbratchenko3885]

We need more SC: Evo! Great cast and great games!

[@scarletspidernz]

I missed the SC1 sounds, they are so unique!

[@jimmyha1898]

Ahhh hearing the thunderous fire of BW Siege Tanks is always great. Same with the BW stim. BW stim and Gauss Rifle sound effects are just gas. SC2 sounds so bland in comparison. Also, FYI, a lot of the sc EVO maps are from the KeSPA Starleague and Proleague days. Pretty sure Troy is a map from that era. Lastly, game 4 shows why snipe is still way too strong.

[@hyperonestarcraft]

The SC: Evo Complete maps are not from KeSPA days, they were ported from scratch by myself and Avex. The only one that is a copy of the KeSPA version is Fighting Spirit, which we had to recreate manually as it is a locked file, and only due to overwhelming demand from the Korean playerbase.

[@hyperonestarcraft]

Also, are you really gonna draw balance conclusions from an island map game? lol

[@pocpoc1]

That fourth game was so entertaining!

[@MrTickingtime]

54:25 Zergling drop comin' in BUT the LIBERATORS say NOOOOOO you will NOT be crossing the border!!! As mexi-american I love this comment!

[@commandertex4389]

After years finally brendas true form

[@joshuafaramir3569]

This guy never heard of Dark Archons before? The best spellcaster of all time

[@markthompson5525]

Surprised to hear you didn't play BW, but loved watching this series. So much nostalgia. I miss the voicelines in BroodWar and will never understand why they removed some of the units they removed (also think they should get rid of corrupter and bring back muta>devour>guardian>scourge -- and the defilier) Also - bring back the science vessel and the reaver

[@ryanaegis3544]

The reaver is the same as the disruptor but with a different model. I heartily agree with bringing scourge back. Make them require a spire and a baneling nest. And wraiths could be a banshee upgrade.

[@WhiteTiger.X]

FYI no banelings however there were infested terran (CC at low HP Queen can infest)

[@MrCreed145]

SC1 terran literally just doesn't have any units that really deal with SC2 ultras lol. Toss was awesome though. Dark archon take over enemy worker and have both races. And scarabs were savage, and goons were amazing. And SC1 zerg units were just all round good and well rounded. Lings were good, hydras were good, mutas were good to just strait fight with. You could actually deal with air too because hydras were tier 1. It really was better in a lot of ways. Mutas being able to turn into the other air units you might need was obviously far superior as well.

[@sir0herrbatka]

Irradiate and mines, or go BC but yeah, ultras are scary.

[@bothpinkysbroken]

Nice 👍

[@bigtruck1838]

Brenda our true queen 👸

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

I still can't get over the fact that the liberator actually got that name lol

[@rjawiygvozd]

Got to the brood war design part, I've actually mostly been watching Artosis' brood war casts lately, and while originally I thought that Brood War remaster looked simply ok, it has grown on me and now I think it literally looks better than SC2, it's sort of more charming in a way. Maybe it's something about 2D sprites, in a similar way static Diablo 2 Resurrected backgrounds looked way better than diablo 4 world to me for instance. SC2 Evo unit models are amazing though, I kinda wish they would remaster sc2 models after being done with brood war lol

[@ludvigericson6930]

Yup, it’s painted versus rendered. I’m sure they spent months making the 3D models look good, but you can’t tell in the game. Meanwhile sprite animations are drawn 1:1 and the artists know how it will look: like they drew it.

[@rjawiygvozd]

@@ludvigericson6930 yeah this has to be it, it's great when concept art can almost directly get into the game. In the meantime it seems that in current games devs actually forgot how to render properly, there are some weird noise and blur and grain everywhere, I blamed it mostly on upscaling, which I can't always afford to turn off, but lately I tried to turn off upscaling in Stalker 2 and it looked like a horrible pixellated mess which actually looks better when upscaling blurs it, it's almost like disabling bilinear filtering in old games like quake 2 or something, except that in old games pixellated textures actually look good

[@PJOZeus]

SC2 already has more economy than SC1 right? But we have more workers to start in SC2 So what if we slowed down how fast workers are created in SC2? (and looked at teething issues like orbitals in the process of course) That feels like it might be the best alternative Maybe even some extra scvs were delivered after the three minute mark to both races if it was too slow (an extra 6 in an ai controlled dropship)

[@davidstud3952]

Please MORE starcraft1 vs starcraft2 😍😍

[@mattcat83]

Is there any way to smooth out the camera? It's really jumpy, which makes it difficult to follow the action at times.

[@1389Chopin]

Winter - i used to have that exact same star trek tshirt

[@FelipeMedina-yz5pw]

BW:Zerg are fun more funnier and better than SC2: Zerg BW:Zerg air is far stronger, lings are better, hydras cheaper... Not to mention the scourge patrol to prevent the bloody medivacs.

[@antearesgamer]

6:18 - I've never hated banelings more in my fkn life 😂😂😂

[@adr2t]

This looks way more fun than SC2 balance. Sure it could use some small number changes, but way more balance and back forth game play.

[@tiggerbane4325]

This looked balanced? It looked like the Terran was getting rolled in all the games except for the mass ghost one?

[@adr2t]

@@tiggerbane4325 Na, the terran had plays they could've done but didnt even a basic drop. Like that is a clear sign that the terran player just didn't play at the fullest. BW wasnt about MMM either, it was about tanks and going air to deal with basic units as they had a lot more control with mix of ghost and some mm. He was playing it like SC2 not BW.

[@alexvail4220]

Cool series

[@andrewperla4142]

i wonder if they would be able to add a new "Race's Advantage" or something to each one. Might make it a smidge more dynamic and interesting. Zerg: When the creep spread reaches minerals or gas, it mines 1 mineral/gas per second from that geyser/mineral patch. Would probably have to slow creep spread to balance it out. Alternative would be a building that alllows player to sacrifice units on creep that heals all units/buildings on that continuous creep. 1 zergling heals 1 percent of all health vs 20 lings healing 30% of all health. Terran: Experiance for kills per unit. The higher the experiance, they get a kicker for damage. Something like 1.2 max, but max health drops to .8 of full. This would push for more aggression. Protoss: This one is a bit tougher to do. Maybe a building that creates a field around a base that gives them increased attack but makes all of the buildings weaker and easier to snipe. So a bit of a trade off for letting fights get to the base but a bit of strength for fighting back pushes.

[@rjawiygvozd]

maybe SC2 evo bw vs bw games would actually be pretty interesting to watch

[@magnumxlpi]

6:25 taste the meat, not the heat

[@MicahRK]

Now I play sc evo, thanks!

[@disctroyes_ufc]

Hydralisks in brood war are armored units

[@sir0herrbatka]

Hydras are "medium" units in BW.

[@kmurphy0620]

I miss this cross over mod. It's too bad it was killed because the nostalgia fixation of BW people need to have their seige tank upgrades and stuff killing the balance. It was a good dream the month it lasted.

[@Sk801Erik]

I NEED this mod on the campaign

[@Ragosta20]

Enjoy your break champ @WINTERSTARCRAFT

[@Hjortur95]

this video had 3 different thumbnails. Battlecryisers, mutalisks, and now a minimap..?

[@venomx8254]

whats the name of this mod?

[@leafykille]

SC Evo

[@foncareth7857]

I love dark, not as much as dark loves dark, but i do

[@markfrank3307]

day just got better.

[@zhadoomzx]

Irradiate on ultralisks is almost like a buff vs terran bio... the SC1 devourer auto attack debuff made mutas late game viable. SC2 corruptors don't.

[@ravondal1958]

Am I missing something obvious? I most likely will be embarrassed, but at 29 minutes the count is 0-0 and colors do not match. Confusing and slightly frustrating to watch. Can anyone tell me where I am off? Thank you ! :)

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Thank You Om nom nom

[@AlejandroMPozo]

Most difficult race amongst 6 races is old terrans. Most op race is new terrans... huh.