Stargate: SG1 - Something of the Host Survives

[@charlesneal1774]

In ancient Egypt, Apophis was considered the devil. This dude spent thousands of years possessed by his culture's version of the devil. That's terrifying.

[@darthroden]

Even worse if he was fully conscious and aware of what Apophis was forcing his body to do and seeing all the evil he committed though his eyes.

[@AlanGresov]

Even worse was that he finally died and was granted peace... only to have that quickly taken away from him.

[@christianbolze7092]

Not really. The concept of the devil is foreign to most ancient beliefs. Apophis was a necessary part of ancient egyptian religion and no less accepted then Ra, Amun or all the others.

[@KalashVodka175]

@@christianbolze7092 Its more of an approximation, a likeness if you will. Like, I doubt most greeks enjoyed to worship Hades, they did out of fear if they ever did rather than pure devotion. The gods were all flawed but some were more negative than others

[@Gothic7876]

Technically not a devil. He was more of a thing that they prayed never ever won against Ra. They had a devil figure in Set.

[@Avaruusmurkku]

He was promised the last rites and being buried in Egypt after finally dying. Only to be brought back to that exact same nightmare again when SGC was forced to relinquish the body to Sokar.

[@trygveskogsholm5963]

Whenever the US government promises something...

[@ankhmorpok1497]

This is one of the most heartbreaking scenes in any sci fi show I’ve watched. A life destroyed laid bare. Eons of torture for the soul only to wake and die.

[@darthroden]

Think about the Egyptian boy that Ra possessed, or the Chinese emperor that Yue took over, or the hosts of any of the other millennia-old System Lords.

[@barbiquearea]

@@darthroden Except there are some humans (the Lo'taur) actually desire to become hosts as it means they get to have power, immortality and a life of luxury.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

@@darthroden Did Yue take Emperor Ming's body? As is said he's extremely old and the Sarcophagus hardly works on him anymore. As the sarcophagus does still work on Apophis, I'd be inclined to say Yue's host is way older then Apophis's. Yue's host died along with him when he and other systemlords were wiped out by Repli-Carter, which was another crappy way to get rid of some foes that would otherwise have taken valuable time away from other plot points.

[@GreyhawkTheAngry]

@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Was it Yu's host, or was it Yu himself (the symbiote)?

[@Not-Ap]

@@GreyhawkTheAngry Both died.

[@Countryroads304]

Iconic scene. This human host had experienced a real hell for thousands of years.

[@nickrffpatellis852]

Yeah. We got that

[@Ragitsu]

@@nickrffpatellis852 Party poopah!

[@Not-Ap]

A fate worse than death.

[@QuaziInc]

Daniel offered the man comfort and respect, seeing the man through the monster who took his wife, and was the face of the enemy. His face, voice, hands, and eyes commanding death, slavery, assault and servitude, for countless numbers, potentially predating history as we know it... and Daniel saw one of the first victims of Apophis. He offered him not rage or vengeance, but kindness and comfort. respect.

[@TheDragonOfWhi]

And that is one of the reasons Daniel was worthy of ascension

[@Incog2k6]

I just love how you can immediately tell the difference between actual Ancient Egyptian and the gibberish that the Goa'Uld "language" is. For this scene, Michael Shanks got a script with the actual language (funnily, Peter Williams did not and also made up his words), while for the rest of the show, the writers just created random words for any conversations that had Goa'Uld speech in it (which was supposed to be roughly based on Ancient Egyptian, yet ended up becoming a mess).

[@Syberactive]

Do you know ancient Egyptian (not trying to be a jerk, genuinely curious)?

[@showa546]

@@Syberactive The only group of people who speak language related to that of ancient egypt are coptics, but it's not same. Some people argue ancient egyptian doesn't belong to Afro-Asiatic language family but Nilo-Saharan. So yeah, nobody really knows.

[@THESLEEPYMAN]

Shel kek nem ron!

[@indrajeet]

​@@showa546 keep dreaming

[@stavrosgiannaros7041]

Something of the host survives enough to know peace. That must also be a huge relief to Daniel after Sha're was taken. She will remember Daniel in her dying moments, even if Daniel is long gone.

[@benny2427]

This breaks my heart. Agh. You hate Apophis since the beginning... but I and you probably as the viewers forgot the host who suffers at the Goa’ulds expense.. :’(

[@IBeforeAExceptAfterK]

So does everyone in the show for that matter.

[@mattjones6578]

@@IBeforeAExceptAfterK they cant afford to think about the host its just not practicle

[@JustinJTX1]

@Matt Jones They did care about Ba’al’s host though. Even though the host was a clone and the real Ba’al got murdered. At least they cared about one of them.

[@Ragitsu]

@@IBeforeAExceptAfterK Looking back, it amazes me how some members of SG-1 can't mentally separate the host from the Goa'uld within.

[@chrisevans6548]

@@Ragitsu It's probably a hard thing to do when they, and everyone else for the past 5,000 years or so, has only ever known that person as the Goa'uld that inhabits them.

[@Linkolnverse]

The sheer will, to exist in that state for thousands of years, and survive. Truly incredible.

[@gerardfogarty-law6526]

I would prefer death to living like this

[@jamesbizs]

Lol. What will.

[@Ragitsu]

@@jamesbizs The will to remain coherent; most people would be completely insane by that point.

[@AdeptKing]

I don't think he had a say in that. Apophis was the one in control that whole time.

[@Linkolnverse]

@@Ragitsu This is what was meant. The fact that anything is even left.

[@saifblade]

This scene is incredible. Best show.

[@Ragitsu]

You can tell Jack is conflicted. Nice acting by Richard Dean Anderson.

[@tbone9474]

From them all really.

[@Ragitsu]

@@tbone9474 How's Callie doing these days?

[@tbone9474]

@@Ragitsu running for governor, after the scandal with Manx she decided to make a difference

[@williamr1088]

Compassion is one of the greatest emotions given to Humankind. It shows strength of character to feel sadness for those who are suffering.

[@Ragitsu]

@@williamr1088 Daniel: "He gambled we would show compassion even to our greatest enemy."

[@reozen8727]

Peter acts perfectly!

[@foca2002]

Fun fact Peter Williams (Apophis) is a Archeologist.

[@Sybrakos1]

Really?

[@Guidogregotti]

I was not aware of this. Where did you read it? Guido.

[@foca2002]

@@Guidogregotti in a old topic in gateworld. From his website: "I was born in Kingston, Jamaica (B-day Dec.31) and raised there thru High School......graduated with a B.A. in Geography/Archeology from Nottingham Uni. in England before moving to Canada where I currently live and work.

[@tbone9474]

Nice guy, exchanged a few words with him in London 20 years ago during a Stargate convention. I told him "I loved hating you". He smiled and took a picture with me, Don S. Davis and JR Bourne

[@DarkLordDiablos]

@@tbone9474 An actor being told that you loved hating the character they portrayed is one of the best compliments they can get because they know they did a good job. Say that though I always find it funny how some of the most evil characters on TV are played by some of the nicest people in the world.

[@Aivottaja]

The guy who played Apophis did an amazing job playing these two parts.

[@animemanXLK]

This is when you realise behind every Goa'uld is a host trapped in a never ending nightmare. I'm pretty sure at some point on top of having their selfs surpressed by the overwhelming parasite influence that they can also cause the host to feel terrible pain to keep them fully subserviant(since very strong willed hosts can sometimes slightly resist their control)

[@AdeptKing]

Skaara is a good example though he wasn't a host nearly as long as that guy was.

[@LunarLizard]

Just like borg drones, I view them as victims not monsters.

[@Ragitsu]

@@LunarLizard I don't see how anyone could view the hosts as monsters.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

Hellooooooo!!! -Merlin- Vala!!!! a.k.a. Q'tesh, although she can't have been posessed all that long as her dad was a dad's age. Was it ever revealed how Q'tesh was removed from Vala's body?

[@Ragitsu]

@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Apparently, the Tok'ra saved her.

[@richardlew3667]

They should have just extract Apophis from the host and chuck him back. No need to force the host to relive the nightmare

[@Ruosteinenknight]

Unfortunately for everyone, Martouf only brought it up AFTER they had yeeted Apophis's body trough the gate. Also, it was more like "Wait, you guys didn't know that he can do that?" sort rather than Martouf being a jerk.

[@DarkAnomaly]

Such a sad heartbreaking scene. It wasn't often in Stargate that hosts were freed from Goa'uld control like this. It never really went into any backstory of the suffering a host endured whilst under Goa'uld control either, certainly not like this anyway.

[@mxdnight2445]

No doubt, it was one of the most memorable ones. Even after I watched the episode for the third time, I went to bed with this despairing feeling, and ended up dreaming about it

[@coolbuddydude1]

Apophist host was truly a tragic character.

[@jackhartford521]

When they show the computer screen, with the skull x-ray, it looks a lot like the skull x-ray, from the TV show, the Incredible Hulk. With Bill Bixby, 1970s.

[@DarkLordDiablos]

I just looked at that and I see what you mean, nice catch.

[@AM-sl9bq]

proper upsetting this scene. life taken away for thousands of years

[@Ragitsu]

Wait a second...why didn't they (Stargate Command) simply extract the symbiote from the human host body and send *it* to Sokar?

[@spartandud3]

They don't really know how. The last time the tried that it failed.

[@Ragitsu]

@@spartandud3 Wouldn't Martouf/Lantash know how?

[@spartandud3]

@@Ragitsu If I recall (haven''t seen it in years) Sokar was dialing in and preventing them from dialing out so they couldn't have called the Tok'ra. After both symbiot and host were dead they had no reason not to send him back to Sokar and stop the attack.

[@Ragitsu]

@@spartandud3 The Tok'ra arrived prior to Sokar's attack, actually.

[@spartandud3]

@@Ragitsu But aren't they still stuck on earth with earth equipment?

[@elora179]

After 1000 years wow

[@johnlove6206]

This temple Karnak is real is her dawn one Earth!!!

[@darthroden]

It also shows a timeline error from the movie to the television show. By the time the city of Karnak was built Ra and the other Goaulds were driven from Earth centuries before. According to the film the stones that the Stargate was buried under were 10,000 years old, and Karnak wasn't built until about 3500 BC. about 6,500 odd years later. Despite that the scene was touching.

[@johnlove6206]

@@darthroden is in France huge syons

[@remo687]

@@darthroden This is one of the many points why the series' creators say not to refer to the film as canon for the series.

[@zackboone15]

Yeah. I've taken the policy of: Anything in the movie not contradicted by the show is still true.

[@explorinjenkins349]

@@darthroden There could have been a place where Karnak is before Karnak as we know it is. Some kind of prehistoric place that was demolished and replaced.

[@Elitesolider1023]

I wonder since apophis was worshiped in Egyptian religion did his host gave himself willingly to apophis only to regret it later after all the things he had seen apophis done to realize he was nothing more but a false god.

[@5urg3x]

Patient: Apophis lolol

[@Kareszkoma]

Are the guaulds from Earth? Or are they all from different places? Apophis and Yu seem to be from Tauri.

[@Ragitsu]

The Goa'uld symbiotes originated from a single planet.

[@spartandud3]

The Goa'uld originate from a different planet but eventually came to earth where they posed as human gods and took humans as hosts and slaves then took humans to other planets.

[@Kareszkoma]

@@spartandud3 Yes. But that was in the past. Tauri was lost. How about now? How about younger Goa'uld?

[@Ragitsu]

@@Kareszkoma Younger Goa'uld may be spawned/born in other locations.

[@chrisdefresne3235]

@@Ragitsu younger Goa'uld are carried in the various System lords Jaffa armies to mature in a host body.

[@shamymanavie5096]

I only understand 'heyhu'...means Calm

[@Belikel]

Actually it's spelled 'hey whore' and it is the ancient sacred call to summon your mom. Go ask your dad.

[@gn0015]

Has the symbiote died at this point?

[@develynseether4426]

Self-preservation. It entered a coma-like state to keep itself alive.

[@AdeptKing]

Jeez how long has that guy been possessed by Apothis?

[@DLordSadow]

Five thousand to six thousand years.

[@Guidogregotti]

For a lot of millennia. Guido.

[@develynseether4426]

Based on factual info Apophis didn't possess him for more than 4,000 years. As Daniel says, the man was a scribe in Karnak which was built in the middle dynasty around 2000-1800BC.

[@gravis2000]

Jack should have mag dumped him back on the planet.

[@FouckoffAnddie]

Me

[@xadam2dudex]

Didn't they send Apophis back thru the stargate to one of the system lords ?

[@callumunga5253]

And then Sokar brought him back. The Host's torment continues.

[@Guidogregotti]

Yes, as Callumuga has told, Apophis and his host have been sent to Sokar. Sokar wanted to destroy Earth if Apophis had not been sent to him, and Apophis and his host have been sent to him to forbid Sokar to destroy our world. Guido.

[@Guidogregotti]

@@callumunga5253 Until he dies for good when he and that Ha'tak falls on Vorash and it is destroyed with Apophis and his host in it. Guido.

[@shamymanavie5096]

@@Guidogregotti i thought his Ha'tak crashed on Delmak.