Roland SH-4d Review // A Synth Groovebox with Vintage Vibes

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Starsky Carr

Starsky Carr

Күн бұрын

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@VoltTone
@VoltTone Жыл бұрын
Just ordered one.. Perfect formfactor for my Limited studio space. And loads of yummie features. Was in the market for a small synth and a drummachine.. I got both🙂
@thedeepblueskys
@thedeepblueskys Жыл бұрын
I ordered one also. I love the filter, FX, and the ease of use. I only had room for one more synth of this size. I can tell it’s gonna be very inspirational. It really sounds good to me as well.
@theshinyobject2438
@theshinyobject2438 8 ай бұрын
I also have limited space and this should be perfect for me. I will probably end up using it for a tone generator/drum module. I can't wait to get started.
@stephandelaat
@stephandelaat 5 ай бұрын
I have mine for a couple of weeks now and I love it…as a synth. The sequencer is a bit too basic. I’ve combined it with the polyend play and I absolutely love the combination.
@VoltTone
@VoltTone 5 ай бұрын
@@stephandelaat i sold it two weeks later because of the sequencer limits. Its sounded good though but was very limiting. Now i got the Oxi one and a pittsburgh modular Taiga and now Im contemplating getting it again because of its sounds.. Hmm..
@Necrobot777
@Necrobot777 4 ай бұрын
Yes! Agree! Agree! AGREE!! But perhaps not in the way you might think? m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mn6qopJubr9kkLM I often pair mine with the Korg Drumlogue. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZi7gqGlpcSin5Y I really wish it had a dedicated song-mode though. Trying to advance patterns for a more ambitious song that goes into different chains/loops/etc, while using the Drumlogue is impossible... or at least not sustainable. The Polyend Play has an 8 channel midi sequencer. Since I mostly am using the Play for samples, I haven't explored it very much. Have you been able to sequence the five parts of the SH-4d from the Polyend Play for simultaneous playback? And if so, how does that work in the Play's song-mode/play-chain function? Thanks for any insight that can be provided!! Cheers from Delco!!
@magicseadog8674
@magicseadog8674 Жыл бұрын
So glad you got one to demo or review for us. By far my fav channel for synth content like this. Thanks Roland for connecting with this channel :)
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@Paparumbo
@Paparumbo Жыл бұрын
Now that is the right size. Sounds great! Nice🤘
@rabevier8071
@rabevier8071 Жыл бұрын
Roland is making some of the best machines ive ever seen ,i have mc101 had for few years very impressed it out features (akai)with a less cluttered workflow Great video !The sh-4d is a beast !
@palindrone
@palindrone Жыл бұрын
Always good to see reviews like this from a long-time Roland user like yourself. Great sounding demos, it's a cool unit!
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Thanks, always good to comments like this :)
@davidgershwin4110
@davidgershwin4110 Жыл бұрын
I’m just the latest getting inspiration from your review, thanks much from a new subscriber. I’ll be ordering SH-4d soon!
@brandonaikin5445
@brandonaikin5445 Жыл бұрын
This is a really comprehensive review. Thank you!
@truthbw1
@truthbw1 Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the annotations of what buttons/functions you're pushing on the synth. I have an sh-4d and it's super helpful to see. As someone who's only been fudging with synths for a little over a year, this is an incredibly approachable device. It isn't cheap or expensive. Very solid value. My first Roland device.
@sinewavezero
@sinewavezero Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thorough overview. Its nice having someone who collects and loves roland sytnhs give their take on it.
@kaitsu9608
@kaitsu9608 Жыл бұрын
"mc101 mk2" with physical control. I think i like this one
@Geepstar
@Geepstar Жыл бұрын
Hi. Thanks for the vid. Nice to see Roland send these out to you all. The sound. It does sound great. And the portability makes me think it would be nice to take with me on holidays. So in the end with the flexibilty and functionality make it a bang for buck. 🤓
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Thanks… just an FYI MIDI works over the USB as well as the DIN ports.
@Geepstar
@Geepstar Жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr Thanks! I was misinformed then. Don't know anymore what gave me the impression.
@wavesequencer
@wavesequencer Жыл бұрын
Nothing groundbreaking here, but the packaging/UX/ease of use make all the difference - have Roland finally got it right (limited menu diving)? Looks quite usable. This looks like what I wish the Korg Electribe 2 could have provided.. I got rid of it after polyphony and synth engine limitation frustrations. This is the answer also to all of us complaining about the format of the Boutique series - you could think of it as 3 boutiques combined into one with a size format that actually makes sense.
@RegebroRepairs
@RegebroRepairs Жыл бұрын
If it had had a Jupiter-8 mode and rainbow buttons, I'd buy one. 🙂
@XPJV
@XPJV Жыл бұрын
Rainbow buttons have nothing to do with the music..
@rewwhiskas4234
@rewwhiskas4234 Жыл бұрын
Way cooler without the naff rainbow lights if you ask me!
@Death_By_Media
@Death_By_Media Жыл бұрын
Legend has it a lost SH32 and a JD-Xi tried to escape a dark forgotten stock room of the Roland Factory, but security chased them into one of Dr Seth Brundle’s Telepods where a they stored Zip Disks of Zencore code and somehow activated it ….
@SphericEl
@SphericEl Жыл бұрын
Yup ,like a JDxi with better knobs/menu.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Жыл бұрын
@@SphericEl on steroids
@DavidDeLuge
@DavidDeLuge Жыл бұрын
Great video! This looks to address pretty much all the issues I've had with many previous Roland devices; mainly having more buttons/knobs per function rather than loads of menu diving. Despite not being Zencore, it seems to have a great range of models and sound design capability. I think it's already on my wishlist 😜
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
I much prefer it to the Xm even though it’s missing a lot of the functions and stuff like a Jupiter8 - this just has some more immediacy about it.
@damiensimper
@damiensimper Жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr I am just getting to know my new Sh-4d and I am finding it a bit hard to believe that I can't make smooth pattern transitions. Are note and fx tails being cut off?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
@@damiensimper they will only cut off if you've run out of your note limit. I demo how the notes continue from one pattern to the next. FX tails perhaps... if you're changing the channel FX. I've not tried that tbh as when going from pattern to pattern I generally use the same FX.. but change the sequence maybe sound etc.
@RobertSaintJohn
@RobertSaintJohn Жыл бұрын
Pre-ordered first thing this morning, but your video just confirms that I’m the target market for this 👍 Great details, demos, and Attenborough impression 😁
@bontempo1271
@bontempo1271 Жыл бұрын
hahaha love that intro Starsky. My studio reminds me of a jungle sometimes
@RacerX-
@RacerX- Жыл бұрын
Excellent video and I will be referring to it when I start using my SH-4d beyond the monkeying around with it that I have already done. Thanks!
@aftertheendtimes
@aftertheendtimes 6 ай бұрын
Love your demos
@NunyaB1s
@NunyaB1s Жыл бұрын
I have a lot of love here for something new from Roland. Yeah sure, Juno and 101 emulations are an old school hook, but the cross mod, ring, and sync really stand out, so it seems an engine to get new takes on old sounds. (Actually the Alpha Juno saw is enough for me.) Seems like a mix between an analog 4 and a Roland MC-505. I haven't been excited for Roland kit for some time!
@adub303
@adub303 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty impressed with the feature set, though I have to say I was picturing more Zen Core-like functionality. I had also hoped that when Roland got around to its next SH-inspired line, that they would include the SH-5 and SH-7 filter models and the SH-7 oscillator types (a big ask, I know, especially given the livery). I do appreciate that this is a sort of modernized/Aira-ized SH-32 with a bunch of 21st century features. Thanks for the review (and the Irwin/Attenborough impression at the top and bottom of the vid 🤣)!
@samprock
@samprock Жыл бұрын
Oh ..... it was Indiana Johns voicing over with some soft Attenborough tones!! LOL Good one, Starsky! You're synth-whisperer you! :)
@DoctorJezz
@DoctorJezz Жыл бұрын
Great stuff - great demo - like it👍
@photosinferno6870
@photosinferno6870 Жыл бұрын
7.57…. ‘If your a fan of song mode……it hasn’t got one’ classic 😂
@RoyChartier
@RoyChartier 2 ай бұрын
After a year with this thing...I use it as a synth...there it can be really deep...as Starsky did an amazing job showing in another video. As a synth, and current prices at like $400...it is a steal.
@HD-tj2uo
@HD-tj2uo 5 ай бұрын
Always the best review on YT, Thanks.
@David3Wise
@David3Wise Жыл бұрын
Another great video - thanks for the walk through
@johnchesters81
@johnchesters81 Жыл бұрын
Nice review. It’s like the Roland Electribe (how I wish Korg would make an Electribe 3).
@Gainn
@Gainn Жыл бұрын
About time the SH-32 got a refresh. If they'd added the 303 emulation from the T-8 it would have had an instant audience.
@cresshead
@cresshead Жыл бұрын
T-8 TB-303 emulation is ACB based, SH-4B synth groove box is a cutdown version of ZEN with it's own standalone filter type (ladder based)
@SphericEl
@SphericEl Жыл бұрын
Why?
@alexwestconsulting
@alexwestconsulting Жыл бұрын
@@cresshead yup, zen just doesn't cut it for certain emulations, 303 being one of them. The drums on this one aren't ACB like the T-8 either, just samples. ACB isn't spot on but it's better than Zen, certainly better than samples. I've still got my SH-32 and Zen somehow doesn't sound that much better.
@cresshead
@cresshead Жыл бұрын
@@alexwestconsulting My Roland T-8 (TB-303) sounds pretty darn nice compared next to my B td-3's .. all good here!
@alexwestconsulting
@alexwestconsulting Жыл бұрын
@@cresshead I don't disagree. I actually don't use my TD-3 because it's too untamed IMO, and so doesn't sit in a mix particularly well. On the other side the Zen stuff is too tame. I use TB-3 more than anything for 303, basically same as TB-03 and T-8. I've got a J-6 and love it, thinking I might get a T-8 even though it's purely overlap. Also I like it's sidechain, something missing in my TR-6s which routinely stops me from using it.
@ChristopherOrth
@ChristopherOrth Жыл бұрын
Major bonus point for going straight to voodoo ray!
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
What else ;)
@claudiodezi4375
@claudiodezi4375 10 ай бұрын
Does it have an IN input jack for processing external audio signals via the numerous knobs?
@DALTRON666
@DALTRON666 5 ай бұрын
Yes it does but I have yet to figure out how to manage the audio via the filters and cutoffs. Or any knobs in general...
@marcusfreeweb
@marcusfreeweb Жыл бұрын
You convinced me it can be a tasty musical, good sounding instrument, in the right hands.
@TeamHash
@TeamHash Жыл бұрын
Oh, man, just when I thought I was in control. . I'm sleeping before ordering, but the urge is strong.
@ogasi1798
@ogasi1798 Жыл бұрын
great job fella, cool lil box too 🙂
@dictabeat
@dictabeat Жыл бұрын
Great video as always, Only one thing I'd like to see both with you (as well as other content creators) is that you somehow try and work the sequencing part into the video earlier. I understand you need to give a basic overview of what does what before you can start sequencing, but most just wanna jump in and get a beat going quickly before exploring further how the rest of the functions work.
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Thanks… it’s hard because if you jump I to the sequencer and don’t know how to navigate the menus you then have to check that. If I could brain dump it parallel I would 😂 chapter markers will take you straight there. You can either scroll through them at the bottom of the picture or there’s a list in the description- I spend a while putting them all in so hopefully they will be of use!
@dictabeat
@dictabeat Жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr I feel silly now for not having noticed before. Thanks though for pointing that out!
@brianptguitarkeyboardcover9957
@brianptguitarkeyboardcover9957 Жыл бұрын
Awesome review, I want one
@nebula0697
@nebula0697 Жыл бұрын
You can pack so much in with digital. This thing is a bunch of synths in a small box and with an easy interface for once.
@javiceres
@javiceres Жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts
@overtonwindowshopper
@overtonwindowshopper Жыл бұрын
Wonderful intro, thanks for bringing some levity to the usually very stuff synthtube space
@dankeplace
@dankeplace Жыл бұрын
It's a really interesting machine, better than anything else that I have been looking ta, purely because of how it can sound. Looks fun and easy to work with, without having to do huge amounts of menu diving. Thx for the upload.
@Michel-r6m
@Michel-r6m 2 ай бұрын
As a package I think it is awesome. With batteries and phones on the couch. The ergonomics seem by far better than MC-101 (can sound great!).
@C1c4da
@C1c4da Жыл бұрын
man. this looks so fun
@attilasebok7429
@attilasebok7429 Жыл бұрын
thank you for the Voodoo Ray vibes!😎👏
@jiffybox
@jiffybox Жыл бұрын
Ha! That was a brilliant intro 👏🏻
@wrmusic8736
@wrmusic8736 Жыл бұрын
SH stands for synthesizer with japanese accent - "SHynshesiza". So naturally Roland made a digital groovebox.
@sinewaymusic
@sinewaymusic Жыл бұрын
Instant like after five seconds of intro. ❤️ Masterful! Regarding this synth, yeah, this is a fine multitimbral synthesizer. It's almost a groovebox, but a bit limited if reviewed from that perspective. As an MC-101 owner, I'm intrigued by the hands-on control and the fifth track for synthesized/rompled drums. It looks fun to use. Beyond that though, I don't think I could justify tripling the size compared to the MC-101 just for those things, for my use cases of sketching out song ideas with lush Roland sounds.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Жыл бұрын
It's a groovebox in the vein of the Electribe 2. I wouldn't recommend it as a sketchpad with Roland sounds either; MC-101/-707, Fantom-06 & Juno-DS61 are the way to go for that.
@MorbidManoeuvres
@MorbidManoeuvres 6 ай бұрын
how does this hold up against the Jupiter xm ? anyone favor it over one another ? cheers
@PeterGude
@PeterGude Жыл бұрын
Like the voodoo ray demo 👍🏻
@XHALE303
@XHALE303 Жыл бұрын
Be carefull Starsky Irwin, you might get hurt by a stingray in a Bad Gear episode soon.
@Tamiras
@Tamiras 7 ай бұрын
is there a way to solo and record the rhythm parts elements individually?
@tekrahmuzik777
@tekrahmuzik777 Жыл бұрын
Got it, really fun
@SeenfromSpace
@SeenfromSpace 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for this! Can I ask about FX sends? I've gone right thru the manual and it's actually a bit vague about send levels for each tone. Can you have, for example, a fairly dry bass tone mixed with an ambient tone with bags of delay/reverb. The Pattern MFX seem to have global levels, and so be of limited usefulness. Are the Tone MFX flexible enough to create a "finished" mix? Can you bypass Pattern MFX for each part, so you're only using Tone MFX for, say, the bass?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr 9 ай бұрын
I do t think you can mute the pattern FX for a single part. Theyre either on/off for the whole pattern (ie all 5 parts). if I understand what you’re asking. You have individual fx reverb delay and chorus for each part plus the main stereo out Fx. So I look at the pattern FX like a mixbus insert
@SeenfromSpace
@SeenfromSpace 9 ай бұрын
Thanks@@StarskyCarr
@audiolego
@audiolego Жыл бұрын
GQ Starsky❤
@georged822
@georged822 Жыл бұрын
If I want to create synth sounds that don't require deep menu diving, would you recommend this or JD-08 +JX-08, am not too focused on drum and sequencing features as I do those in DAW + want to get an SL mk3 as well.
@duketranslucent3rd
@duketranslucent3rd 8 ай бұрын
JD08/JX08 are great devices but hampered by a ridiculously unsuitable screen which forces you to learn hieroglyphics.
@rodolphep0nthus555
@rodolphep0nthus555 Жыл бұрын
In a certain way this is very close to the Roland JD-xi. 4 parts vs 5 parts, simple sequencer, drum section. Wonder if they don't overlap themselves too much? The big plus here is the FM part and knobs. Is the rest of the sound engine much better than the JD xi (which also has an analog synth section..)? How good is the Juno 106 emulation? Compared to the Boutique JU-06A? Thanks
@rodolphep0nthus555
@rodolphep0nthus555 Жыл бұрын
Another question, it seems possible, but wanna be sure (woukd be agame changer compared to the JD xi), in the drum part section, how many individual drum parts can you have (SD, SN, CC, OH...), and can you mute each individual drum part (mute the BD or SD in real-time for instance..)?
@oliverakadjrunnerspoint5742
@oliverakadjrunnerspoint5742 Жыл бұрын
So after the review I'm already thinking a bit about whether the Roland Sh 4D might also fit into my setup for ideas or jams with friends, of course the sound selection is smaller compared to the MC 101/707. It would be interesting for me to know if I send my TR 707 the rimshot trigger to the ext clk of the Sh 4d, can I then trigger the arpeggiator, for example, like when I connect Sh 101?
@gavinpeters9531
@gavinpeters9531 2 ай бұрын
The fact that the value doesn't revert on the motion tracks makes me think they based the note sequencer off the code for the SE-02 boutique, which also has this same weird feature. It's not necessarily bad, but certainly counterintuitive at first.
@firstandlast4415
@firstandlast4415 Жыл бұрын
TRANSPOSE : Sadly no means to transpose a custom made pattern either on the fly or by sequencing. Only the Arpeggio. Would like to see this from Roland.
@Necrobot777
@Necrobot777 4 ай бұрын
That... and a dedicated song-mode. Trying to advance through patterns while using the Korg Drumlogue to chopping up breaks and using the filters on the SH-4d is impossible. Some people get by with a little help from their friends... I'd get by with a little help from a dedicated song-mode. If there's a way to sequence all five parts of the SH-4d from an external sequencer (or the Korg Electribe since it can sequence 16 devices on 16 channels), that would help significantly. I'll keep plugging! Cheers from Delco!
@B-Boy_Spider
@B-Boy_Spider 11 ай бұрын
3 of the knobs are also buttons. Do you know of any special use of them?
@Slowlyburnedelectronics
@Slowlyburnedelectronics Жыл бұрын
I hope the keys are not like the mc307. Are their responsiveness any good? Need sometimes double tapping?
@filipzawadzki9424
@filipzawadzki9424 Жыл бұрын
Am I missing something or this synth sound fantastic for its price? I'm not sure what I hear because I think I hear synth that should cost twice as much.
@charizmawolf6490
@charizmawolf6490 Жыл бұрын
If this is Zencore based..can I load my presets into the MV-1?
@unitedsouls11
@unitedsouls11 Жыл бұрын
fantastic synth for the money. Except the SAVE procedure and the annoying 4bar limitation
@Necrobot777
@Necrobot777 4 ай бұрын
The Roland SH-4d is phantastic!! (Sorry, I'm from Philly and we can't help it) My only grievance is the omission of pattern chaining or song-mode. Assuming the great Mister Carr hasn't delved into this, does anyone know how someone could sequence the four synth-parts externally? Since the Korg Electribe ES2 can sequence up to 16 external synths via its 16 channels, I tried from my Electribe... but I couldn't figure out how to make the Electribe sequence multiple SH-4d parts simultaneously. Since I'm often using the Korg Drumlogue as my performance machine for all-things percussion, I can't really be advancing the SH-4d through different pattern changes as well. An example of this failing is here... eventually, I fuck up and kinda just abruptly stop the track. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6uxYZKIgt2foZo If there was a way to externally sequence the SH-4d from my Electribe, or some other device... I'd love to learn about this. Thanks for any insight that can be provided here. Alternatively, Roland could always include significant pattern-chaining or a dedicated song-mode via some firmware update? I'll leave you with a couple of more successful tracks.. all done in one-take.. no overdubs.. no DAW. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mn6qopJubr9kkLM m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZi7gqGlpcSin5Y m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6uUZIKlYr50f9E These successes are largely because the rhythm is mostly just a manipulated 64 step cycle... with no advancing to different patterns throughout the track. But I have other ambitions for this project and the ability to sequence and do long-form pattern-chaining would really help! Any advice or tips on how this can be accomplished/achieved would be most appreciated!! Merci beaucoup!! Cheers from the land of DELCO!!
@jonrichards333
@jonrichards333 Жыл бұрын
Just when I thought I'd gotten over my GAS...
@andrewverran3498
@andrewverran3498 Жыл бұрын
are you a fan of the round buttons or would you prefer tr8s style pads? great video as always.
@jhdrummer4815
@jhdrummer4815 Жыл бұрын
Tempted to order it but I don't know. I have a Roland TD-30 drum sound module which is amazing, Korg Opsix, Korg Wavestate, Moog Minitaur and Behringer Deepmind and a Polyend SEQ. I kind of think the SH-4d could be reduntant within my current set up.
@kasparsonnemans4359
@kasparsonnemans4359 Жыл бұрын
Can you swap between the patterns manually without loading times? As a manual kind of song playing
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Yes. I do it in one of the demos at the start. When there’s a chord change it’s a new pattern - end of the second time I demo the live functions.
@chadsix4838
@chadsix4838 Жыл бұрын
Greetings from Texas! Great vid! Now I'm going to bed.. lol
@CedricSatterfield
@CedricSatterfield Жыл бұрын
Are you using the Juno as a synth or a midi controller for the SH-F4 at 4:40 or so? I usually only play 1 synth at a time so when I see keys connected to a desktop unit I think "Midi control for keys only" but you are using the sliders on the Juno. So, they must be set up like 'midi thru' or something, or do you have the juno sliders mapped to the SH-4D?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
I play the sliders on the Juno when the Juno is playing - it’s not controlling the SH4D - but it can send MIDI so you may be able to control it with the Juno. I think the Cc on the Juno are fixed.
@richardjames111
@richardjames111 Жыл бұрын
I was hoping to get a SH01a at some point, but just wondering if the SH101 emulation on this does absolutely everything that would be on the SH01a??
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
I’ve never used an sh01a - but this has access to all the same stuff for time creation although not a 1:1 replica of the filter or envelopes. It’s got a lot more going on obviously. I’d pick this one unless you want a 100% emulation of the tone. For me this gets the job done in a nice to use box.
@cresshead
@cresshead Жыл бұрын
Q. are the patterns synth osc types/patches linked (saved) to a pattern? - (like the JDXi ) Do they change when you change pattern and is it quick enough for live.... or is THAT why there is no pattern chaining?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
they are saved as the patches - ie they refer back to the presets and user patches. So when you save a pattern you have to make sure you save any edits as a new tone - if you want to keep the old one. And it all appears to change fine... no blips or delays ... that I've noticed anyway. I've not spent ages thoroughly testing that side of things.
@cresshead
@cresshead Жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr cool, this appears to be a new version of the JDXi to some degree but new sound engine.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Жыл бұрын
@@cresshead it looks like a JD-Xi on steroids, but ditching the rubbish-quality minikeys instead of giving us something decent like the Keystep keybed, but I have keyboards already so that's a non-issue for me
@technodrone313
@technodrone313 Жыл бұрын
how much is it? bongwater and goiter center don't have it yet.
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Try this: link.perfectcircuit.com/t/v1/S0BERUlFSUBFR0ZEQ0NATEpITA?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.perfectcircuit.com%2Froland-sh-4d.html
@RobertSaintJohn
@RobertSaintJohn Жыл бұрын
$650 in the US
@technodrone313
@technodrone313 Жыл бұрын
@@RobertSaintJohn ooh i may just get one
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Жыл бұрын
"bongwater and goiter center" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@simonc8265
@simonc8265 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I know this might asking a lot... But having just got this with no synth experience... It's a Little bit overwhelming. could do you a primer on synths/sound design on this? No worries if not
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
I’ve got a whole series on Udemy and my Patreon - tbh it’s the same for pretty much every synth. If you know the basics you can do it on anything.
@simonc8265
@simonc8265 Жыл бұрын
​@@StarskyCarr sold! Thankyou. Also sorry I posted this before watch your osc vid... Both of these have really sung to me. Putting the subtitles on adds another layer. Thankyou
@alexwestconsulting
@alexwestconsulting Жыл бұрын
Happy to see that you are one of the peeps to get a review unit. Your reviews are the best, much better than Bo, even better than Loopop. I don't really see the point of this unit. Looks retro but isn't at all, really just a crippled MC-707. Yet another Zen repackage. It's just an updated SH-32 in the end, and SH-32 was a miss for the same reason: last-gen sound engine wasn't DSP like the JP-8000. I thought it might somehow be ACB tracks. Even mono ACB tracks i'd pick one up. But more Zen i'll just use my MC-101 or Zenology. This actually makes me like MC-101 even more for what it is and value for money, no unnecessary space-taking encoders, just a small unit with a wide palette of bread and butter sounds.
@NickHowesAstro
@NickHowesAstro Жыл бұрын
If only it was a crippled 707... It's not even that
@alexwestconsulting
@alexwestconsulting Жыл бұрын
@@NickHowesAstro It is, albeit severely crippled. It's basically a MC-101 repackage, where 101 is a crippled 707, albeit 101 is much more useful since they opened up the synth like the 707.
@NickHowesAstro
@NickHowesAstro Жыл бұрын
@@alexwestconsulting I just don't understand why they have not just implemented Zencore. The modelling and capabilities of that with the form factor and UX/UI of this would be superb.. As it stands, it's ...meh. No software integration in your DAW, no "vast" soundpack collections... I have seen this behaviour so many times first hand at companies, and it still amazes me that they pull this stunt to this day
@alexwestconsulting
@alexwestconsulting Жыл бұрын
@@NickHowesAstro Yeah I see what you are saying: even if it is Zencore engine in the end, it's still a variation thereof that's got enough differences and limitations to make it a strange beast. But this was the same argument between 707 and 101 until Roland "fixed it" a couple years later and opened the synth engine. And yeah, even 707 and 101 lack a proper VST plugin, just an editor. Even Zenology can't act as hardware VST. Sad that. I have to export from Zenology and then import into the hardware in a super frustratingly one at time manner. That's waaaay too clunky for what should be a universal engine. I like the 101 and TR-6s because they are so cheap and small that they fill a hole for me despite their limitations. But I wouldn't personally invest in one of their more "complete" solutions due to Roland's habitual abandon-ware practices.
@alexwestconsulting
@alexwestconsulting Жыл бұрын
@@NickHowesAstro Oh, and even Elektron does this. Model:cycles is basically a stripped Rytm, less params and no overbridge (and a ton of other things like no sampling/sample import). It's still good though.
@pimhansen6720
@pimhansen6720 Жыл бұрын
Loving the video @starskycarr, good fun. Question if I may: Are the models generating their sound or are they in essence sampled waveforms?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
They’re generating their own as far as I know.
@jfe-z
@jfe-z Жыл бұрын
I understand these are two different things but still I’d like a second opinion. I’m debating on getting either this Roland or an MPC(similarly priced), I have logic and I play guitar,bass,keys, vox, with the daw is it even worth getting either of those? I know it depends on the type of music I make but I’m interested in these both
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
You don’t need either… but they’re fun and that’s why we do it! If you use a lot of samples then the MPC is the way to go, and if you like to finger drum etc. the Roland is better if you prefer programming and tweaking synth tones. You’d be happy with either I suspect. I’d you want a full song mode then MPC. For easy middling and coming up with loops the this (unless again you like using loops and samples).
@I.O.M.
@I.O.M. Жыл бұрын
Honest question for Roland users. Will this be less menu diving than the 101/707?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
I think so. I’ve not used either of those, but believe there’s more menus for editing etc. the knobs in this give a much different experience.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Жыл бұрын
this SH-4d groovebox has dedicated sound design knobs like an Electribe 2, those Zen-core grooveboxes have none at all, so yes
@Froobyone
@Froobyone Жыл бұрын
Voodoo Ray alone makes me want this unit. Wish I hadn't spaffed my money on a Wavestate. :-/
@ivanskunov9166
@ivanskunov9166 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Oh my God, Roland heard my multi-timbre requests :)) Question. a. Can we use our own filter for each part? b. Can we change the stereo panorama of the timbral parts? For example. Part one is on the left.The fourth part on the right... and separately, in the drum part, each instrument relative to the center?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
a. the same filter model is used on all parts. I,e, the 101 and 106 oscillators don't change the filter... but each part has its own filter (not sure if this is what you meant) b. yes there is a pan knob which sets individual pan settings for each instrument and drum part (you can have different envelopes, filter settings etc for each drum tone).
@psience_1
@psience_1 Жыл бұрын
Nice BLiPdAy present! ;)
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Haha... yeah - This was what I spent my Birthday creating :)
@frankpratchett8117
@frankpratchett8117 Жыл бұрын
Hey Starsky, Great video with lots of information. The Sh-4d seems to be a great little synth, but the sound engine also seems to be a less flexible version of what one can do with Korg Opsix' user algorhythms. Would you agree on that?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Probably, I’ve never used the user algorithms myself but know what you’re driving at. This is much more about the accessibility of the sounds and the ease of creating patterns. It’s got great sounds but none are highly complex engines.
@frankpratchett8117
@frankpratchett8117 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that was quick. Thanks for that. If it is focused on accessibility rather than flexibility, the SH-4d is not for me. I'll stick with the Opsix.
@xavierb1307
@xavierb1307 Жыл бұрын
Are the outputs balanced? Is it better than the Korg minilogue xd?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
No, they’re unbalanced. I mention that at the start in the notes. Different things tbh. For a straight up synth I’d go with the xd. The addition of the digital oscilaltor expands things and the analog VCOs sound beautiful. For doing something nice and quick and for inspirational groove making this.
@bistrobmusic
@bistrobmusic Жыл бұрын
Doesn't Verselab have 7 tracks, plus vocal, full Zen core, and for a time was on sale for $500? Seems like they have a lot of gear in the same space.
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
It’s a different concept… with zencore, samples and full vocal takes, but limited patch editing capabilities.
@zapmando
@zapmando Жыл бұрын
they have overlap, but workflow and the end result you get with the verselab is different. Im a verselab owner and use it everyday, i wont be getting this synth but i did just order a 404mk2 to use as a scratchad for samples before putting them in the verselab to build full songs.p
@NickHowesAstro
@NickHowesAstro Жыл бұрын
​@@StarskyCarrerm it's not zencore
@NickHowesAstro
@NickHowesAstro Жыл бұрын
Sorry if you mean the sh that is ...
@DawlessHouseMusic
@DawlessHouseMusic Жыл бұрын
Be nice to get a 303 engine at some point. Looking forward to a 101/106 deep dive comparison. But yeah, this is huge.
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure a deep dive comparison would be too much use tbh as the filter/envelopes aren't matched.
@synthseeker
@synthseeker Жыл бұрын
Question: is there a plain (non-visual) arp? And if so, is it a single global arp or are there four (one per part)? Thanks!
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Yeah I use it when I demo the sequencer. It’s per part.
@synthseeker
@synthseeker Жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr thanks, I saw the use of the arp on a single layer/part, but wasn't sure if it was per part. Other early users have been saying it is not...I was hoping to clarify...and you did. Thank you.
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
@@synthseeker I’ll have to double check. I was sure it was per part but not sure if I’ve checked 100%.
@synthseeker
@synthseeker Жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr - thank you!
@javiceres
@javiceres Жыл бұрын
How many steps can a sequence have? (sorry if I missed it)
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
64
@javiceres
@javiceres Жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr Cool thanks
@Kung_Fu_Jesus
@Kung_Fu_Jesus Жыл бұрын
So there’s only one filter type? A bit stingey no?
@ryanstevens3822
@ryanstevens3822 2 ай бұрын
using it at all a year and halfa later?
@koalemos1679
@koalemos1679 Жыл бұрын
Can it save different synth presets per sequence/pattern?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
You save the presets independently of the pattern. Different patterns can use the same preset - so if you edit it in one and want it to remain as it was in another you need to save it to different slot. This is very useful if you’ve a few patterns using the same tone in the same song. But it’s infuriating if you save over your current preset and forget it’s used elsewhere. For me (after owning a JP8000 that did the same) I always save in a new slot.
@luxinterior5
@luxinterior5 Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to play the sh101 polyphonically like the desktop sh101 digital reissue?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Yes. It just replicated the oscillator. You can set it to poly or mono.
@luxinterior5
@luxinterior5 Жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr good! The emulations of the sh101, Juno ecc have their classic filters emulated as well?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
@@luxinterior5 No... which is why I made the short demos. The filter is the same for everything - but it definitely has a Roland sound, and comes close to both - although as I demo'd it won't self resonate without an input... which isn't an issue for most things - but if you did need that you could always just use a sine wave from the 4d or 3d models.
@tommyfeinstoff
@tommyfeinstoff Жыл бұрын
Instant watch
@devmiles
@devmiles Жыл бұрын
Another Roland groovebox with a nostalgic name, now with an option to tilt the unit to manipulate sounds. Ow boyyy
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Tilting's fun :)
@WilmarBoer
@WilmarBoer Жыл бұрын
I've watched a few SH-4d video's on KZbin now and while the featureset is amazing I'm not amazed by the overall sound. It all sounds a bit dull, not dynamic. A bit MP3 like. I guess that's a tradeoff to get that featureset for this price.
@inputsandoutputs
@inputsandoutputs Жыл бұрын
dull is not warm Roland.
@ZETONEproductions
@ZETONEproductions Жыл бұрын
Are there effects per note ( p locks ) .? Cheers
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Yeah there are 4 motion lanes. They work slightly differently to the elektron stuff as I describe in the video.
@saintnicholas5507
@saintnicholas5507 Жыл бұрын
Sure you cannot chain patterns together by holding the buttons together at start to finish ?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
No, not that I've found at least - nothing called chaining in the manual at least, and I can't find anything that relates to something similar. Maybe a for a future firmware update.
@nebula0697
@nebula0697 Жыл бұрын
Careful you don't wake up the alpha male there lol. Love the SH-101 demo at the end!!!
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
haha... good one.
@dpalaoro
@dpalaoro Жыл бұрын
all those sounds coming from one box always sounds like a mix of sounds coming from one box 😂
@mikemeengs5720
@mikemeengs5720 Жыл бұрын
I know what you mean. I used Ensoniq sampler workstations for years...from the EPS to the ASR-10...and I always felt the same way about the mix. Don't know why.
@nelnich4445
@nelnich4445 Жыл бұрын
I'd love an emulation of an SH3a....those were really unique. Mine needs a good service.
@lukewarm5356
@lukewarm5356 Жыл бұрын
Mine too. Had in from new and still love it
@nelnich4445
@nelnich4445 Жыл бұрын
@luke warm thats awesome..i got mine in 1990...an old band member left it at my house, he said it was garbage because it only plays one note at a time lol there is no synth that sounds anything like it.
@victorroberts4637
@victorroberts4637 Жыл бұрын
Can the SH-3d model make a Hoover sound?
@StarskyCarr
@StarskyCarr Жыл бұрын
Yes, it has the same osc shapes as the 4d - did you catch my hoover video?
@victorroberts4637
@victorroberts4637 Жыл бұрын
@@StarskyCarr Great! yes I did! - sounds awesome, thanks.
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