Starting with MIDI Guitar 3 - Things you need to know

[@screamengine]

I hope people realize the opportunity here. Having come from the Roland G-707 G 700 days up to the GK3 / GR-55, AXON 100/Triple Play etc this is a major giant leap in accessibility (financial) and convenience on top of tracking improvements and all without hexaphonic pickups!!! I'm more than glad to have purchased MG to encourage development and reward such dedication to making this possible. I thank you and congratulate you, developers, for this achievement! Very cool times in guitar midi!!! Buy it now!

[@lofileif]

Thanks, and I'll be sure to pass your thanks on to the developer too. I can only agree with you that it is a cool times ahead for MIDI guitar. 👍

[@goldenknighthawk]

I purchased it Sunday gone.More than happy to play my part. Thanks to videos and comments like this.Small developers do need support.Haven't got to really run MG3 being a PC guy but MG2 is good for now till PC beta comes out

[@screamengine]

@@goldenknighthawk Yup I bought MG2 as well and it is definitely good enough compared to most, if not all, of the hexaphonic pickup tech out there. Got it on ipad and mac as well as PC. So good! :)

[@lofileif]

@goldenknighthawk PC beta is out. Check the DOWNLOADS section on the beta page: www.jamorigin.com/beta/

[@tranquilitybase6417]

Anxiously waiting for the iPad version!!!

[@lofileif]

I still don’t have any news on that, I’m afraid.

[@LaszloGavruczaNagy]

Me too!

[@billydenkmusic]

Once again, Leif provides an incredibly detailed walkthrough of the features and opportunities that this tool provides. Excellent video!

[@lofileif]

Thank you Billy. Makes me so happy to hear 🙏🙏🙏

[@dualswitch934]

Stort tack Leif!

[@picksalot1]

This video should help users have a positive experience trying MG3, and avoid the mistakes that can make using MIDI more difficult than it needs to be. Thanks for pointing out the details.

[@lofileif]

That’s what I am hoping for! Thanks 🙏

[@mhenkka]

Tack Leif, this is exactly what Ive been waiting for!

[@lofileif]

Tack Mikael. Make me happy to hear. There have been a few requests for something like this, but I never know if I am providing something worthwhile, or just rambling sometimes. 😄👍

[@mhenkka]

@@lofileif waiting for the continuation, i'm sure there are more people in need of such. MIDI Guitar 3 is a game changer!

[@lofileif]

@mhenkka Thanks! The next part (since the plugins settings will be adressed) will venture into the difference between MPE and legacy MIDI territory, so I must try my hardest to find a way to explain this without just resorting to technical jargon - and this is something of a challange. But I’ll do my best, and hopefully it will be helpful to some people out there. MG3 is indeed a giant leap forward. 😀👍

[@kaktakovoi81]

Thank you,really helpful

[@lofileif]

I’m really happy you like it! Thanks 🙏

[@KennethGonzalez]

OMG! I am beside myself right now!!! I can't wait to get the Beta installed and start using this. I've been playing a Jamstik Studio to control my virtual instruments. It doesn't suck, but it does leave a lot to be desired! What you're showing here is *huge* and is exactly the kind of thing that I've been looking for. WOOO HOOO!

[@lofileif]

Glad to hear! Let me know what you think about it once you’ve had a chance to play with it a little? 😀👍

[@pasha811]

How could I have missed this? Thanks a lot very informational and useful. Again, Magic content from you each time!

[@lofileif]

I don't know Pasha. Perhaps I need to start bugging you guys with this "like, subscribe and Smash the notification bell" crap (whatever that means 🤷🏼‍♂️) But the important thing is you found it, and seem to like it! 😀 👍 Much appreciated! 🙏

[@sepic5407]

The beat kicks and I start rockin' (c)

[@hjvarfjell]

Really good walk-through and explanation of setup and possible pitfalls. Good job, as always. I look forward to getting time to dig into it as the summer's construction projects get finished. Right now I'm too exhausted to do anything in the studio. 😉 Take care. 😊

[@lofileif]

Thank you. All in good time! I remodeled my studio the other day. Mostly a new Studio desk so that I can get my Kawai VPC 1 out of the way. But another thing: I just watched a four-part series on Norwegian jazz. About "fire store" (Andersen, Christensen, Garbarek och Rypdal) , and also Karin Krog and onward. This was REALLY good. I guess you have seen it already, but it just came out on Swedish Television, so I binged it in a day: www.nrk.no/presse/programomtaler/ny-nrk-serie-om-det-norske-jazzeventyret-1.16766604

[@hjvarfjell]

@@lofileif That's really cool. I haven't seen it. Maybe I'll have to give it a look. Very good jazz musicians. Karin Krogh too, even though I have a childhood memory of her singing the most manicly upbeat and shrill and terrible version of the jazz standard "When you smile" in a show on NRK. It was horrid. I guess I must have been about eight years old at the time, but that experience stuck with me so bad that it's just during the last ten years I have been able to listen to her without having it destroyed by at the same time hearing that one in my head. ;-) Today I wonder if she might have been on speed at that time, or something. Congratulations on your remodeling and new studio desk. So now you have the Kawai in a keyboard drawer/retractable shelf, or something like that? 🙂

[@lofileif]

@@hjvarfjell Well, this series was well made and guided me through a richer Norwegian Jazz scene than I would have dared hope for. Karin and her connection to John Surman, Nils-Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, and the George Russell story. Most interesting. Never mind your previous "bad experience" ( you can skip the first chapter if you must, but I found it all very educational). And yes I have the keyboard on a desk that neatly tucks away, so I can start using my other controllers too finally. I have a Seaboard, and a Sensel Morph and a couple of other controllers that I haven't been able to find room for before.

[@hjvarfjell]

@@lofileif Oh, I think I'll manage listening to Karin these days. She's a very good singer and she's been working with several of other great jazz musicians. 😊 Did the series also cover Radka Toneff? She's one of my favorites, and we lost her way too early. Depression is a bitch. Oh, well. I was aware that you had the Seaboard. I've seen it in the background in a few of your videos. Too bad the Morph is discontinued. It looked interesting. Must be good to be able to have them out and use them for more extended periods of time, without having to clear them away every time.

[@lofileif]

@hjvarfjell It did indeed mention Radka. I knew of her work with Steve Dobrogosz but I never knew she was Norweigan. And yes, the Sensel Morph really brought some stuff to the table that was pretty unique. I love to split it into a three note plate and work with multiple fingers for the same tone initially, but to microtonally slide back and forth. It gives me another way of working with tension and release, other than harmonic vehicles that is. But there are a few others that can make similar things, like the Haken continuum. But in a completely different price range. 🫣

[@DC11music]

Thank you. This helps greatly.

[@lofileif]

Thanks! Glad to hear it! 😀👍

[@PeterHarket]

Great overview! Thanks a ton!

[@lofileif]

Thanks Peter! Glad it was helpful! 🙏👍

[@NACHOXVALLE]

Thx a lot, Master.

[@lofileif]

Thank YOU! 🙏

[@bosneb]

Can't wait for this to fully release. Just discovered the world of MIDI guitar and realllllly want it to be better than it is. Tried a few Jamstiks and apparently they don't know how to manufacture a guitar, returned them all, then picked up a Fishman Tripleplay and I'm finding the software end of that disappointing (at least, as long as I can't find a way to compress the velocity range, which so far I haven't).

[@lofileif]

Yes, the MIDI guitar dynamics. I am not happy with that part either. But hopefully, those days are gone with MG3. I can use my favorite guitar an retain the full dynamic span for almost any virtual instrument or synth. Now it is just up to me to communicate this newfound knowledge to the rest of the world. 😬 I am hoping for a "word of mouth" movement to help spread the message. 🤗

[@sepic5407]

velocity 0-127 ? or latency U mean ?

[@bosneb]

@@sepic5407 Yeah, the one thing I liked on the Jamstik was I could just set the min velocity to like 50+. This really helped it pick up hammer on's and pull off's, and it just compressed the dynamic range between 50-127. On the Fishman, so far it just seems to have velocity gains, so I can just boost the input so it sees light playing as 50+, but then most of my playing is just blasting at the top end, everything coming in 127, almost nothing in between.

[@bosneb]

@@lofileif Haha well you're definitely where I heard about MIDI Guitar 3, and you got me interested, so it's working.

[@GareginBingyol]

Thank you for video.How to set up midi out to external device?On 2 nd version its very easy, but in beta 3 I can't find midi settings.Thank you.

[@lofileif]

There is a MIDI Out Module in MIDI Machines. Put that somewhere on any of the three chains and you will have MIDI OUT. Now, if you have a PC/use Windows, you might need another application to route your MIDI, but that should be the same for MG2.

[@GareginBingyol]

@lofileif Thank you very much sir!!! The problem is that midi guitar midi out modul not recognizing my audio interfaces midi out,I try to play external synth .On midi guitar 2 it’s very easy,there are separate setup for midi out.

[@lofileif]

Ok, i think the best way to solve this is to post your question on the MIDI Guitar forum. I don’t know enough about everone’s different ways of setting up, and you also need to add what platform you are working on PC/Mac (and stuff like this). Try posting on: jamosapien.com

[@DavidJames-k9h]

Thanks so much for your fantastic videos , I previously got only to a very basic starting point with midiguitar 2 on a windows machine but now have the beta version if midiguitar 3 for windows. In audio settings I am only given the option of single threading or multithreading , and your video chose auto-threading , which should I choose ? Many thanks and apologies if you've already answered this in the many comments My next step is ipad midiguitar 3 ( when it drops) for live playing in my band, using the wifi portable setup you showed previously , Irig HD2,midimitr, UHost , powerbank etc my ipad is new and doesn't have the 3.5mm audio out jack , do you have a recommended USBC-C hub to provide an audio out at the same time as the USB-C in? Kindest regards and thanks again!

[@lofileif]

Autothreading is a feature coming with the next version of the beta, so you’ll just have wait a little. Use single if it isn’t struggling. If you hear obvious crackling you can go to multithreading, but that might mean slightly more latency. I am not sure my previous setup for the iPad is going to be the best with MG3. I will most likely have to buy a new iPad (the one one I used for MG2 is way too old) and then I might be able to come with specific recommendations, but sure, I will most likely need some sort of USB hub to at least use both an audio interface and the Uhost. But let me get back on that when it is time? 🤝👍

[@PeterHarket]

It would be awesome if you could compare some of the sample based guitars, and perhaps rank them in terms of compatibility with midi guitar 3 :)

[@lofileif]

I have a couple of others I need to tdo first, but it is indeed getting to be an interesting topic 👍 The OTS guitars are sure to rank pretty high on such a list for instance 😉

[@PeterHarket]

@@lofileif great to hear 😉

[@godboat.]

how do you get midi out of the plugin and into a midi track in the daw?

[@lofileif]

Well, it depends a little on what DAW you are using, but generally you open MIDI Guitar 3 as an AUDIO Fx on an AUDIO track in your DAW, where the conversion to MIDI takes place. Then this is forwarded to a MIDI track either directly (if you are using a VST plugin) or by picking it up together with your other controllers (standard way for the AU version to work). Check out the DAW guides on the JamOrigin KZbin, and see if your DAW is accounted for. www.youtube.com/@JAM-ORIGIN

[@MrGoggler]

🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@adamgraser]

I totally understand starting with a very clean input, specifically with no outboard gear like pedals. To use outboard pedals etc., would you just utilize a reamp box using the clean recorded input? Kind of a newb so sorry for maybe a newb question.

[@lofileif]

Of course, you can use recorded input to trigger virtual instruments in or after MIDI Guitar 3. But then the traditional way is to record your guitar Audio on the same AUDIO track (in your DAW) that you open the MIDI Guitar 3 plugin on. MIDI Guitar 3 is an Audio effect that creates MIDI. getting that MIDI to a MIDI track looks a bit different for each DAW though. But there are some DAW Guides on the JamOrigin YT channel for a couple of them.

[@adamgraser]

@@lofileif thanks for the clarification. I see that you have it still in Beta, when will this be released for purchase? I'm excited to start.

[@lofileif]

@@adamgraser I don't have any such information I am afraid. It is going to depend on when the developer considers the product ready. Check the JamOrigin beta page for any and all updates and news about MIDI Guitar 3. www.jamorigin.com/beta/

[@Floydandsome]

Hi I've already own Roland GR55 Do you think MIDI guitar 3 would be a better option? SInce I am trying to consider whether upgrading my gear to this or hardware midi guitar like Jamstik

[@lofileif]

From the response I have been getting here I would guess MIDI Guitar 3 surpasses existing competition, but you should really try it out for yourself. There is a trial version of the beta that is out now. Look in the DOWNLOADS section on the beta page for that. www.jamorigin.com/beta/

[@Floydandsome]

@@lofileif I just downloaded the beta I was wondering if there's any tutorial I can follow? I kinda want to try different instrument with this thing but I have no idea where to start

[@lofileif]

There is no strict tutorial on how to get started per se, but you have these "Introductions" to the software videos I made for early adopters to have a place to start. And I also made this playlist for you. Start at the top, and work your way down for the newer and more in depth information. kzbin.info/aero/PL16hx1uHz4KGftYcNGQUdFDdaqyWrV3-O&si=IwAPKPB0N6YcX2eE

[@Floydandsome]

@@lofileif Thanks for your help!

[@jeff4h20]

Is this available. Website says no

[@lofileif]

Website is right! It is out in a beta version for early adopters. Anyone who has MIDI Guitar 2 since before or buys MIDI guitar 2 now gets a license to the beta version. But it is available as a trial for anyone at www.jamorigin.com/beta/ Check out the DOWNLOADS section. 👍

[@jackloganbill605]

When is Midi 3 available? If you buy Midi 2, is there an upgrade path?

[@lofileif]

You can get MG3 today as a beta. If you buy MG2, you become a licence holder. And a licence holder can use MG3 without the trial interruptions. Go to the dowloads section on the beta page and download the latest version of the beta: www.jamorigin.com/beta/ If you want to buy the MG2 licence to unlock also MG3, you do that at the normal place: www.jamorigin.com

[@GoGetFletch]

Hi - great tutorial video. Thank you. Do you have any idea if/when Midi Bass 3 will be released in Beta?

[@lofileif]

Thanks 🙏 No, I don't unfortunately. But keep an eye on the beta page. That is really the place where all news and updates about any of the related software are posted. www.jamorigin.com/beta/

[@GoGetFletch]

@@lofileif Thanks. Will do.

[@NikolajChristensen]

How many takes to hit the interface input like that? :). Be honest.

[@lofileif]

Just one! 😂 Just pull it out, and reverse the video clip! 👍

[@NikolajChristensen]

@@lofileif goddammit. I thought it looked unreal. Very clever :)

[@lofileif]

Internets is all about smoke and mirrors, you know. Don't believe anything you see. Especially not from me 😉

[@DJCJ999]

I was planning to buy a guitar synth setup but will give this software a try first... any plans for an iOS version in the future? I seem to do more and more production on my ipad these days..

[@lofileif]

There are plans for porting to iOS. But it is probably a bit into the future. I think the idea is to get these Mac and PC versions past the beta stage first. Keep updated on the JamOrigin beta page for any news on the iOS development. www.jamorigin.com/beta/

[@aquaticborealis4877]

Some of the pluck type sounds in Phase Plant are very hard on CPU, and cause an issue for me. Unfortunate because you definitely want less latency with that type of sound.

[@lofileif]

Agreed! I generally don't get into trouble with the Mac Studio, but I can't even play a third of the instruments on my MBP i9 (which at the time I bought that was a pretty decent computer. But there are some crazy demanding synths, and I too wish for it not to be those that are the bottleneck right now. But it is what it is. 👍

[@swolfswolf]

Does MG offer any way to edit the MIDI "piano scroll" data? I don't see where or whether raw MIDI data is recorded.

[@lofileif]

MiDI Guitar itself does not have any recording capabilities beyond a looper (MIDI Machine). And that doesn’t offer any possibilities for editing really. But you can open a MIDI Out module anywhere in the patch and have your DAW of choice record it. Or you open MIDI Guitar as a plugin directly in the DAW and record that way.

[@chriscarrington4294]

will the direct audio from the rmc pickups work ok using nylon strings?

[@lofileif]

Nylon strings work, but perhaps not as good as steel stringed guitars. And yes the RMC output should be your best option. Try the demo version - it is free. Under DOWNLODS www.jamorigin.com/beta/

[@chriscarrington4294]

@@lofileif thank you. and thank you for your very informative and expert videos and for displaying your beautiful and awesome playing.

[@lofileif]

Thank you for those kind words. 🙏🙏🙏

[@lancecox8084]

It is not available as of today, still, any idea when it will be available?

[@lofileif]

It is avalible as a beta. Check under Downloads on this page: www.jamorigin.com/beta/

[@lancecox8084]

@@lofileif Thanks!

[@massimosposaro6974]

Very interesting video. However, I did not understand what steps to take in order to assign via VST a sound via Kontakt 7 since in your video the guitar or double bass sound has already been assigned.

[@lofileif]

You use Kontakt in the same way as you do in any DAW. First, open Kontak in any of the free slots in any of the chains, then go in and choose a sound in Kontakt itself. If you are thinking of the assigning controllers part, I have a whole series of videos of how to do that. May I suggest an order to check these out? kzbin.info/www/bejne/inPLqn-MhLFglc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHfVZJyihZuXgcU kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKGVf42VqpuhldE

[@massimosposaro6974]

I'll try, thank you. But from the Jam Origin website I see that it is not yet possible to download the Midi Guitar 3 version but I guess the procedure to follow is the same for Midi Guitar 2.

[@lofileif]

@massimosposaro6974 It is absolutely possible to download MIDI Guitar 3. Go into www.jamorigin.com/beta/ Scroll all the way down to DOWNLOADS. Check the FORUM for info if you have some trouble downloading. jamosapien.com

[@massimosposaro6974]

Hi, I downloaded and installed MIDI Guitar 3, as an operating system I use Windows 10. As audio device I set my M-Audio AIR 192 6, put the buffer size to 128, it doesn't show me automatic threading but I can only choose between single or multi threading. Basically I followed everything you said in the video, but no sound ever comes out (my sound card works fine). As an additional thing I have also tried assigning sounds from Native Instruments installed on my computer by first doing the Plug in Settings scan and then clicking on Instruments but nothing happens and no Native Instruments screen appears for me to choose sounds. At this point I am wondering if in order to get it to work you have to purchase the license first or in case you can also use it in trial version how can I get it to work? Thank you.

[@lofileif]

​@@massimosposaro6974 First, Automatic threading is a feature in the next update. Second, I am using Mac, so there might be some differences in the way we set up. I don't know the first thing about the ASIO drivers and stuff like that. You can probably find information on the MIDI Guitar Forum about that. jamosapien.com Now, what does it say when you go into settings/Audio devices? Are you using the correct channel for your guitar? Is anything showing in the MIDI Guitar tracker interface (beams of colored light corresponding to your note triggering.)? If you go to the introduction patch and click on the keyboard, can you hear anything? You don't have to buy anything to try the software. That would go against the purpose of having a trial.

[@district777jewelry7]

Back to 0.6.1 BETA for me, released 11 years ago! What's taking so long? This version is very very buggy and far worse than mine.

[@lofileif]

Yeah? Buggy you say. Care to elaborate? What settings, plugins did you try testing it. MPE?

[@district777jewelry7]

@@lofileif RME Fireface, Guitar with EMG 81/85 PUPS, Straight instrument channel, correct input level, no plugins, tracking is terrible. Have you tried the old versions, they seem stable and track perfectly. BTW the GUI is a dissaster!

[@lofileif]

Hey, if you are happy with an earlier version, you should stay with that. And any suggestions you have for improvements are more useful on the Forum. That is where any exchange with the developer takes place.

[@electrofuzz7396]

Too bad we don't have a midi mixer. I could think of several setup ideas where I could use one.

[@lofileif]

What do you mean by a MIDI mixer here really? Please give me an example of what it is you can't do?

[@lorcazola]

Well that gives me the idea of using my Akai MidiMix in Bitwig to control the sync and effects. Also midi bass pedals......for bass & drum.

[@sepic5407]

So good we have had this one for a long time - try KMX-8 or KMX-16

[@electrofuzz7396]

@@lofileif Piano, I want the typical hand separation of a piano player, Chain 1 Filter out E2-E3 and transpose down an octave, chain 2 let say Filter out G2 to E6, then mix the two chains midi before I send it to the Piano VSTi. Currently I can do this if I use two Piano VSTi's, one on each Chain but it would be much effective if I could mix the two midis first then send it to a single Piano plug.

[@lofileif]

Bitwig unfortunately doesn't work with MPE generated from an Audio track yet. As they say themselves: "The way MPE works in Bitwig Studio is that MPE from a midi controller gets translated to Bitwig’s per note expressions, and those are being recorded in clips and used to play the internal Bitwig instruments. When playing back recorded notes with note expressions to VSTs, it converts it back to Midi MPE before sending it to the VSTs. But if you generate MPE Midi within a device chain and then send it directly to our internal devices, there is no translation to the note expressions and the devices are currently not completely optimised to receive pure MPE Midi date instead of note expressions. This is something we might improve on in the future." This is sad since I like the basic setup a lot.

[@NACHOXVALLE]

Master, which library is the acoustic guitar at 10:05?

[@lofileif]

That's actually three different instruments: A "Boutique Acoustic" from Orange Tree Samples, a Bowed Guitar from Inoui Samples, and a Physical Modeling synth called Modus from Physical Audio. The reason for why these blend so well is probably MPE. Since all instruments move and behave similarly you don't consider them separate. 👍

[@artemidiasbr]

Hey, @LoFiLeifw here can I get that controller you have in your mouth, here in Brazil I didn't find such a thing. I accept gifts, Hugs!!!

[@lofileif]

It is a Swedish company that sells these actually: www.tecontrol.se/products/usb-midi-breath-bite-controller-2 You can check out some of its applications in this video I did a couple of years ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJ_NZoSVoM-jmq8si=L0ffcHOCAfkpMjCg