Chevrolet Silverado DC Fast Charging Analysis

[@ShadLife]

A 40 minute break after 4 hours of driving? I will take it!

[@TAWithiam]

Are you driving at 100mph? Might want to check that math again lol

[@ShadLife]

@@TAWithiam 75 MPH and I was calculating at 300 miles since he is charging from 10 - 80% and that is roughly 300ish miles.

[@Josh-179]

​@@ShadLife, consider that the first leg of a road trip starts at 100%. So over 5 hours at 75mph the first stretch.

[@TAWithiam]

@@ShadLife That makes sense, I was calculating against my own road trips which don't average 75, I mean thinking about it, east coast interstates are often signed 65 and I'm often going far away from where interstates service so they might only make up half of my miles, so if you are from out west that would do it lol

[@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh]

Doesn’t matter if it charges faster it will go the same distance because it’s just very inefficient compared to CT. U are just bragging about how quickly u can put gas in a vehicle. CT is also 350 capable but superchargers are capped at 250

[@SnappyWasHere]

This is why I bought my Silverado EV. So much range and fast charging. I am ready to be out of the truck after 5-6 hours of driving for an hour. Blows the competition out of the water.

[@twistedbarbell3950]

The 188kwh speed it crept back up to at around 76% is where my Lyriq "Peaks" on a good day, so that's really impressive.

[@Wasabi9111]

I was thinking the same thing….how this Silverado charges so much better than the Lyriq.

[@SueC56]

Your graphics are awesome these days!

[@sesmeltz1965]

Great review Tom! I have the Sierra EV, same battery and charging as the Silverado. I haven’t done a full charge test yet, but it does charge ridiculously fast. Even with over 3,800 miles and a few road trips including a long-distance towing trip, I still haven’t actually waited for it to charge yet. That’s because I plug it in whenever I happen to stop somewhere there’s a charger regardless of state of charge, and unplug when I’m ready to leave. I’ve added over 58kwh in a 12 minute bathroom stop. Peak charge rate was 381kw. With so much range, I don’t worry about making sure it’s as full as possible. I just drive until I’m ready to stop again. Even when I happened to get it down to under 20%, it was enough to bump it up to almost 70% in just the time I needed to go inside for 17 minutes of bathroom and snack buying. That gave me well over 300 miles, more than enough to continue as usual.

[@jamesengland7461]

Impressive!

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "I haven’t done a full charge test yet.." well dammit let's go, these ginormous Ultiums aren't going to charge test themselves...😉

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

As someone who tows with my Rivian, this charge curve looks amazing. Cut range in half due to towing, and it only takes 20 minutes to add 100 miles of towing range in the Silverado. To add 100 miles of towing range in my Rivian takes closer to an hour - and that's if I run it below 10%. If I arrive at the charger at 10%, I need to charge above 80% to add 100 miles towing range; and it gets REAL slow above 80%. (Admittedly, I have the worst efficiency Rivian possible - the original quad-motor Launch Edition with the offroad package. The latest dual motor Max pack with efficient tires would probably drop that to 30-40 minutes instead of 60, due to getting more miles per kWh and the larger pack allowing starting at 10% and still be below 80% when adding 100 miles.) Speaking of… Tom, when are you going to do a full DC Fast Charge Analysis video on the refresh R1T? Now I'm honestly curious what the charge curve looks like on the new Dual Max!

[@erikstephens34]

Great video as always Tom. Pretty much all the Ultium vehicles in North America should hit that 10 - 80% in 40mins. It's because it's the amperage of each of the modules. In Ultium each module is in essence it's own battery. So the Silverado EV RST is 24 modules in Series vs. Equinox EV which uses 10 modules that are the same in series. This creates the only difference between the batteries is the overall charge voltage. The Amperage curve's should end up nearly the same with some differences due to thermal dissipation due to differences in overall pack geometry and thermal management capacity.

[@Wasabi9111]

Would the Silverado benefit from charging at EA 350kw chargers vs Tesla SC? I assume it would be slower at SC.

[@chrishodgkinson3039]

I am glad it looks like GM has gotten the charging straightened out. These super huge batteries would be impractical had they not. I bought an F150 lightning a month ago. I hesitated before the purchase because I think Ford will likely increase their charge rate with the next GEN lightning. But if I do the math, I am still happy with my decision. There are other things about the lightning that I like better than the GM products (I am not brand loyal, and to each his own). In my particular circumstances, I rarely need to DC fast charge. The extra time that it’s going to take for me to DC fast charge on those somewhat rare occasions when we are road tripping over the course of a year are only going to add up to a few hours versus at 250 KW or 350 KW charge rate. I will have gotten a year of enjoyment and a couple thousand dollars in savings having had the truck for this next year. Keeping in mind also that those time savings aren’t as large as it might first appear because I find I don’t always have access to DC chargers capable of those super high rates. As with all EVs, you can’t wait until they stop improving, because they keep improving (and expect them to continue to do so in the near term).

[@Scott-sm9nm]

Outstanding graphics to complement your explanation.

[@TaxmanHog]

Thanks for this information Tom, Chevy might convert me.........

[@ambee514]

Honestly aside from the price the thing that has me most hesitant about the Silverado is just how damn heavy it is… there are bridges around some of my family members where it is tipping the max weight rating. 💀💀💀

[@NewCastleIndiana]

I hate to say it, because I am not an EV person. But I am agreeing with your sentiment. So much so that I went to the dealer on a day last week and looked at all of them. My problem is the show was full of Corvettes too.

[@frankcoffey]

The advantage to having such a big battery is the number of miles you get while it's still charging fast. Percentage doesn't tell the story unless you consider just how much range that is. Smaller packs have to slow down when they start getting full so you get more miles faster with the large pack when starting from a low state of charge.

[@NewCastleIndiana]

I continue to be bombarded with useful anecdotal information such as this while I visit this channel. All EV skeptics, of which I don’t necessarily exclude myself from… Would do well to take in the wisdom that I’m seeing in these posts with every person of interest and owner as well. I mean, $49,000 prices for some of these that I see listed online are amazing.

[@JohnnyChronic18]

You are a gem dude.

[@NewCastleIndiana]

Yeah, but thank goodness for automatic close caption generation. This Midwesterner has a hard time understanding his foreign accent😂

[@jghall00]

Can't wait for the Yukon XL EV.

[@LakeLake123]

I hope you can get a 408-mile 2025 LT trim to test soon. $75k. They are on dealer lots now!

[@NewCastleIndiana]

What is your take, the pros and cons, of the value proposition of the listings that I see for the work truck for $49,000? I am totally ignorant of how I should view that in the marketplace. I need zero luxuries in my life. But that entry-level without any further knowledge on my part seems like a shiny trinket. Something that has gotten my attention.

[@junehanzawa5165]

Great video Tom. Charging at over 300kW to just past 50% is unreal. Only the new Taycan, which holds it from 0 to past 62% SoC, does better. And adding 166kWh in 40 minutes is incredible. This is what all large battery vehicles will be in the coming years. Did you get a chance to charge it on a supercharger? I hear it can still charge at 200kW on them, even though they're 400V. Which makes sense since the Silverado is 400V other than when charging on 800V chargers.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

I didn't, but I plan to do that with the GMC truck

[@junehanzawa5165]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Great. It'll make for a great video as well. Can't wait.

[@profwilliams2772]

Tom says to run it down to 10% on a trip-- Obviously he's never traveled with my wife!!! No way!! 20% is a moment away from freak-out stage. Even though with a Tesla we can see many chargers. Does. Not. Matter. It took many trips for her to get that charging past 80% on the road wastes time. So now travel is a little easier😁. Just kidding, for our trips it's all good. But we'll get it down on 20% to avoid the freak out!

[@tazeat]

The 5-20% section is the best part of the curve on Teslas... Missing that part is just wasting time

[@junehanzawa5165]

Well, since it can now charge on Tesla superchargers, perhaps she'll feel better at going under 20%. Or are you saying that despite that, she still doesn't care. If so, have you charged on Superchargers with her yet? If she sees it for herself in person, and how reliable they are, it should help convince her a bit. Perhaps it's the unreliability of CCS that has her on edge.

[@tazeat]

@@junehanzawa5165 I'm only talking about Tesla vehicles. Their curve on most of their vehicles strongly incentivizes taking the battery down low on road trips as it charges so much faster at the bottom of the pack.

[@junehanzawa5165]

@@tazeat My comment wasn't to you. We are Tesla people. We know. The Comment was for the Silverado owner with the nervous wife.

[@newscoulomb3705]

Luckily, based on other data, these batteries charge even faster when starting from 20%. Obviously, you add more energy when you go from 10% to 80%, but you're done much, much faster when you go from 20% to 80%. By starting at 20%, you're effectively just shifting the taper to a later point in the charging profile.

[@commanderroddi7742]

I lvoe the fact Tom says, "...bbut at this point we are ONLY taking 270 kwh.." LOL My Ioniq 5 tops at 240 kwh so if my car wass doing 270 kwh at nearly 60% state ofcharge.... Man...... Saw the truck pet 200 kwh DEEP, WAY DEEP into the charge! Granted, I think you could "halve" the number and compare to a "normal" ev with half the battery size, but... Man.. amazing.

[@cherrytreepermaculture756]

I've never seen a 350kw charger where I live (Western Canada). However having a vehicle this capable would be good future proofing.

[@anthonyc8499]

Great info! What do we know about how Silverado EV charges on a Supercharger?

[@BillPotter-bb6hh]

My Hummer, with the same battery was able to go 30% to 80% in 26 minutes using one of the EVGO/Pilot chargers on a recent trip. It was also right around 180kw when I unplugged. Too bad EA chargers will not provide this level of power, I usually can only get 300kw maximum on those.

[@arnecarlsson9740]

Great video and new chart! 👍👍👍

[@glenf4115]

That is 311 Wh/km. At highway speed it uses more electricity in an hour than a typical family house uses in a day.

[@mrdsn189]

Thank you

[@Cyrribrae]

Wonder if a version of the chat that goes "this is how far you could go if you plugged in for 10 minutes at these various states of charge" would also be interesting? Kinda like the 10% challenge, but at other percents.

[@sunilramkarran8367]

I would be curious to see a video about how it charges on a Tesla supercharger also. Since more people may be inclined now to use them and they aren't 350 kw

[@ronald4life1]

at 15 minutes it charged up a brand new Tesls Model 3 ... impressive.

[@YeOldeTraveller]

It will be interesting to see what this looks like on a Supercharger. The voltage limit on the SC will be a significant factor. At best, the 250 KW limit will add at least another 5 minutes to 50%. If there is a current limit, this will be higher.

[@jamesp5301]

I used a new EA charger last night. Great experience though my car has a relatively low / meh charging curve.

[@davew2040x]

To be fair, this is about how fast EV’s *should* charge to get mass adoption. If you can spend under 20 minutes and get three hours of driving in, then most people are going to be pretty satisfied with that and not feel like it’s an imposition. So that really leaves two major obstacles: (1) ideally you shouldn’t need a massive battery to achieve these charging rates, and (2) we still need some improvement in the charger network so that you can feel confident that when you arrive at a charging station that most of them will work and that be capable of providing near the advertised charging rates.

[@MasterJjt242]

Waiting for the Lucid Air vid!

[@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh]

Waiting for lucid gravity 😍

[@dennisengland9787]

Has anyone commented on the charge rate dropping to less than 50kw if the Silverado is on while charging? A couple of my co-workers have a Silverado 4WT and say if it's on, the charge rate goes to crap.

[@fiehlsport]

I would argue that 10-80% isn’t the ideal roadtripping strategy for this particular vehicle. 10-60%, and charger-hop Out of spec style, would be ideal.

[@Josh-179]

Yeah, once we're talking 400+ mile ranges, there's no need to stretch the intervals to the max.

[@keithmcdonnell4485]

What miles per kwh does the Silverado get at 80 mph? I am curious how it would do in the "10% challenge". Your data show how many kWh are added in 15 min starting at 10%, so with the 80 mph miles per kWh we could make a pretty good estimate of the 10% challenge results.

[@modquad18]

Chevy Thunder Baby 👍🏽

[@Roddy451]

Hey GM! Do this with the other products. Pretty please, with sugar on top... Thanks, Tom!

[@newscoulomb3705]

4:00 I think it's worth pausing here to acknowledge the implied "10% Challenge" potential here. The current fastest car Out of Spec has tested (the new Taycan) added, what, 77 kWh in 15 minutes. Even at 1.5 mi/kwh at 80 mph, which is a very conservative consumption number, the Silverado EV would be able to do 125+ miles in the 10% challenge. That would not only make it the fastest EV truck by a wide margin, but it would also put it in the Top 10, only bested by sleek, low-roof sedans.

[@keithmcdonnell4485]

I made this argument in the Lucid 10% challenge video when Kyle implied that the Silverado wouldn't be a good road trip vehicle... I contended that I wouldn't be surprised if it got 120+ miles. It all depends on the 80 mph efficiency. Looks like the Silverado EV added around 73.44 kWh to the pack (figuring 10% losses)... so at 1.5 miles per kWh it would get 110 miles. The threshold for an "acceptable roadtrip vehicle" is 100 miles in the 10% challenge isn't it? If so, if the Silverado EV gets 1.36 miles per kWh or better at 80 mph it would be on the good side of 100 miles in the 10% challenge. Can't wait to see a real 10% challenge on this thing so we can stop speculating :)

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@keithmcdonnell4485 Yes, and I think it's important to note that we are discussing the most conservative numbers. I think 10% losses on DCFC is actually too high (probably 6% max), and even 1.5 mi/kWh is super conservative (Tom saw 2+ mi/kWh at 70 mph). So on the optimistic side, it would be 130+ miles (77 kWh added to battery and 1.7 mi/kWh). Also, based on the display, the charger was the bottleneck here. If the Silverado EV is at over 700 V at 10% SOS, it would really need a 400 kW charger for the best results. The only wrench is the keeping the climate running while the car is charging because the early Silverado EV had a bug that would reduce charging rates if the car was on with cabin conditioning on while charging. If GM fixed that issue, then it should do great by Kyle's own standards.

[@keithmcdonnell4485]

@@newscoulomb3705 Yup, I was presenting conservative numbers to show that in a worst-case scenario the Silverado EV should qualify as a good road trip vehicle, and I was a bit put off by Kyle assuming that it would suck. I fully expect it to exceed my worst-case scenario, the only question is by how much will it beat that number?

[@consolemaster]

charges faster than any Tesla

[@dvader3263]

The Chevy doesn't charge in a shorter amount of time, as the millions of Teslas on the road have batteries 1/3 to 1/2 the size of the Silverado EV. It's pretty easy to get 3 to 4 miles per kW with a Tesla car or SUV. Tesla sold 1.8 million EVs at a profit in 2023. That's more EVs than Ford, or Chevy sold in trucks.

[@dennisengland9787]

Not on a Tesla charger. They max out at 250.

[@consolemaster]

@@dvader3263 what are you talking about? I'm talking about charging capabilities....lol...don't be a tesla fanatic...if Elon says FSD comes out next year, do you still believe it? lol

[@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh]

I’ll race u cross country with u not having access to the supercharger network. U guys should be extremely grateful to Tesla for granting this access 😂😂😂

[@LarsDennert]

Rivian max pack also takes about 40 min 10-80 and will go about the same distance. This is significant while on the road as a practical measurement. Feels like battery chemistry and physics just dictate.

[@sesmeltz1965]

If I couldn't have gotten a Sierra EV (or its cousin the Silverado), Rivian with Maxx Pack was my next choice. I preferred the larger truck bed, especially with midgate option, but realistically if I need that much room a trailer is the way to go so the Rivian was a viable option. They look like great little trucks with quite a few uniquely useful features!

[@newscoulomb3705]

3:00 Not sure where my other comment went, but it's early, so apologies. I just realized that the charging voltage was already over 700 V when the session started, which is why the charger was limited to under 500 A. So the charger is fully functioning, but it was still the limiting factor here. So the Silverado EV should be able to charge even faster than this charger is capable of supporting, and it should have a theoretical peak of ~380 kW, unless GM did additional tweaking to the battery, which would explain the voltage.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

I have seen 380kw peaks on the Silverado. Also, the diagram schematics show cooling lines to the SEV charge port, so those DC pins are cooled down. Seems to be built with good charging experiences in mind.

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@kelviskelvis7140 They've definitely made some improvements since the first release of the Silverado EV WT, which appears to not have a cooled charging port. There still seems to be a 10-min timer before it starts to taper.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

​@@newscoulomb3705 The coolant lines enter from beneath the charge port.

[@CraigMatsuura]

At 9:53 I think you got the axis mixed up? The X axis is usually across the bottom on many graphs.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Lol. Yeah, brain fart!

[@CraigMatsuura]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney your videos are great, keep it up. You and the Batteries. Included podcast are a major reason we moved from ICE to EV. We recently just replaced our last gas vehicle F-150 with a Sierra EV. Never going back, too convenient to own an EV. :)

[@johnpoldo8817]

These tests are so good, he deserves a hall-pass.

[@CraigMatsuura]

@@johnpoldo8817 for sure. I hope pointing it out was not taken as criticism, that is not my intention. I've been watching and had feedback with Tom several times. His information is invaluable.

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@CraigMatsuura Regular EV enthusiasts who follow Tom and engineers like me surely didn’t read it as criticism.

[@Charlesbjtown]

This truck is nearly degradation proof. When it degrades to 50%, it will STILL have over 200 miles of range. And yes, i know....... that's without towing, but let's be realistic, most people don't do truck things with trucks.

[@sesmeltz1965]

That's part of why I picked it too (Sierra EV, basically same vehicle), and I actually do tow long distance (not that often, but at least twice a year). One such 700 mile trip in it already. I'm getting 310 miles with a 6k lb trailer (total capacity, obviously I have to stop before that). So you're right, even if it magically degraded to 50% (which would be insane) I would still be looking at a good 2-hour leg between charging stops. Not ideal, but doable. I expect the truck will last me for life (I'm already old and falling apart faster than the truck will).

[@Josh-179]

These latest EVs with 800v architectures and high ranges will also be able to fight off high depreciation vs earlier EVs. I still love the Lightning but with charging at half the speed of this Silverado it just makes it less desirable and brings down resale.

[@dvader3263]

Most people don't tow. For those who do tow, they don't tow most of the time. It's occasional. When they tow, it's mostly regionally near their homes, pulling boats, other cars, utility trailers, ATVs, PWCs and small campers. Those who tow giant heavy RVs don't use light half ton pickup trucks. They purchase heavy duty diesel trucks costing $70,000 to $100,000 and up.

[@sesmeltz1965]

@@dvader3263that’s me. A (rented) RV trailer, locally, 6-10 times a year. An auto transport trailer long distance twice a year. A fully-loaded down biggest uhaul trailer long distance once every two years (sometimes multiple trips). Otherwise, intermittently/unpredictably. A full bed load each weekend during spring and summer. This is the perfect truck for me.

[@jason84]

Not to step away from the current subject of the video, but do you happen to know if Freewire has completely shut down? I ask because one of the locations that I frequent has shut down and gas station operator has posted on plug share "Freewire has shut down taking their chargers "down" in the process, and that "We are working towards a solution to bring these units back online. We should have some information soon as to availability."

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yes, I believe for the time at least, they are completely shut down. Maybe looking for someone to take them over

[@jason84]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney well that's extremely disappointing but thanks for the info

[@commanderroddi7742]

From what I saw in Out of Spec's 0% to 100%, this vehhicle will give you faster charging if you start below 10%, it climb to nearly 350 almost right away, and kept it up to 30%, then dropped to 300, and by the time you were at 66 percent or so you wer at around high 20s... I'd stop charging at aroudn 20 mintes if you start lwow and you gat about 5% charge in about 20 minute4s, and go, or if you need a bit more range, go 30 minutes for about 65%, but I'd start charing lower and try to get as clost to 0 percent as I dare (3 to 5 percent for me).

[@ClayBellBrews]

So I love how you break this stuff down; but the real information I need is logistics. How long does it take to get from point A to point B. Then the same chart for towing an RV. It should be easier to convert, just redo the kw/mile.

[@newscoulomb3705]

1:54 The battery only holds about 6 kWh in reserve, so the gross capacity is ~219 kWh. This is corroborated by the fact that Ultium LLC rated the raw NCMA cells at 103 Ah with 3.7 V nominal. People misread the EPA documents, which count the energy lost from charging on 240 VAC, and that's where we ended up with claims of the battery being 230-240+ kWh.

[@Nebula1701]

Someone got Car Scanner to work and the pack was reported as 225 kWh.

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@Nebula1701 Those estimates are almost always off. If you look at GM's battery warranty information, they provide a range of acceptable Ah. The 103 Ah per cell would be the minimum threshold for a new battery, but it should never be significantly more than that. A 225 kWh capacity would be less than 3% variance, so if accurate, it would probably be on the upper end of possible capacities.

[@jefflethuman9794]

At $.56 a KW. $93 charge. $.31 per mile. 10 miles $3.10. 20 miles $6.20. Equal to 16 MPG ICE in Cali $5 a gallon gas.

[@sesmeltz1965]

There's some off math here. You got the $.56/kwh right and $93 for the charge, but that yields over 166kwh for 331 miles of range. That's $.28/mile. In any event, that price is only for refueling on the road. Very, very few people will be charging like that very often. In almost 4k miles I've only used fast chargers a couple of times. Otherwise, it's $.13/kwh off-peak in my driveway, which is $.07/mile.

[@jefflethuman9794]

@@sesmeltz1965 yes, I used 300 as i could only remember seeing 300+ on chart. He was talking about DCFC not home charging. Cali PG&E is $.41 a kw, $.40 if off peak hours. I live off-grid on solar and batteries, so it is free when home.

[@Bicklehoff794]

Point is charging away from home isn’t a great deal a lot of times. I’ve found cheaper places here and there, but it’s not as good a deal as it used to be. Right?

[@sesmeltz1965]

@@Bicklehoff794 Sure, but no one should buy an EV if they can't charge at home. Charging away from home is never going to be A LOT cheaper than gas, but even if it's considerably more per mile than gas you're saving a ton overall. I travel a frankly ridiculous amount and even I don't get more than 10% of my total annual miles outside of a 200 mile radius from home. Commuting M-F will always be the great majority of my driving.

[@Bicklehoff794]

@ same with our family, although we don’t commute a lot. Still, it would make sense that charging away from home “should” be cheaper, eventually. I say this because it’s hard to see a two tier society down the road, half gas half Ev. If charging is more expensive and harder than fueling up, people who can’t charge at home won’t adopt EVs. It doesn’t sound efficient or optimized. Also, electricity seemingly, ( I don’t really know) should be cheaper to deliver than petrol, since solar is now the cheapest form of energy available. I guess I’m in the camp of pushing for lower charging costs regardless of where it is. This sounds like an essential part of transition to EVs, which I see as inevitable (although my own observations argue against this).

[@brandenflasch]

Looks like you need to get it on a higher power charger!

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yeah, but there's so few out there, I'd rather not show people what they won't likely be able to attain

[@brandenflasch]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney for now 😉

[@commanderroddi7742]

So, from watching the Out of Spec 0% to 100% percent, I'd say run it very low (5%? 3%? I'd do 3 percent) then spend 20 to 30 minutes and you'll be getting 5% to 66% orso, which would equate to somewher between 210-220 miles for just 20 minutes, or 240-260 miles for a 30 minute charge (hell, if you want to take a nice hour dinner, truck still charging above 200 kwh, and you'd get something like over 380 to400 iles range! INSANE! Yeah, people say its the "DUmb way" to do this, and I see the fact you'd be spending a lot of money to put 100+_ kwh in a 20 minute charge.... Road trips get expensive, man, But, if you can do it I mean, if you can afford a nearly 100K Silverado RST, you'll be able to afford the cost of the road trip I guess. :) Lucid still efficency king, but is it still road trip king? I'd say (from what I saw) RST is a bit rough and not a quiet as what I see of the GMC Sierra, an dI imagine the Denali will be the luxurry road trip king? :) I'd like to see these test in the Sierra. because I imagine that one will charge same as SIlverado, amazing speeds, and be a bit better for long hauls. though looks alon, I LOVE the look of the SIlverado, and I Can't Wait for the Trail Boss. Also, I seethat 2025 Silverados have uped teh EPA (or Claimed) mil to 460 for RST, and 490+ for LT/WT? so, time to re-test one of the LT trims I think? Or RST as well (and Tial Boss whenever that is oout...). Will GMC make a off road focused one? Like a Sierra EV AT4? Hm.. That'd be my pick. SO either Sierra EV Edition one OR Silverado Tril Boss for me. :)

[@scruffy4647]

OK Tom, You put a lot of work into this. If I am on a road trip, the most important metric for me is how many miles I am getting. I don't equate KWh I am getting. I want to know my estimated driving range. You kind of have to map out your stops. What are the chances of connecting to a 350 KWh DC fast charger. On your recent road trip, there were Bolts and ID4s occupying the fast charger stations. What's the time frame for 150 KWh charging stations in miles of range. Do the different power output chargers cost different? Miles and cost are my metric. Does the software in the truck show which stations are available and what they are charging? I just want to drive and not do all the math on my SOC. The good thing is the DIC on the vehicle displays range.

[@CraigMatsuura]

Has other GM product charging improved? Lyriq?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yes, they have been making improvements

[@CraigMatsuura]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney hope to see an update video if possible. Thanks.

[@CraigMatsuura]

Has anyone done a charge curve on a Tesla super charger? Wonder I see a peak of 180kw, but as I get above 55% it drops to 119kw and holds that until sometimes after 70% and goes up a little more.

[@ClayBellBrews]

If you are doing 440 miles in 4hrs, your break will be happening a lot sooner than 4hrs curtesy of the local po-po.

[@gaichungng1903]

There are very few 350kw chargers in real life! EA say 350kw but usually charge in 70kw…. So if with a true fast charger take 40 minutes… with slow charger is 3 hours?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

There are actually a LOT of 350 kW chargers, thousands in fact. But that does depend on where you live.

[@Nebula1701]

225 kWh per OBD2 dongle reports.

[@RedBatteryHead]

Still a stupid amount of kWh to push 100kg of meat around...

[@gledatelj1979]

If the battery received 166.75 kwh for 70% of total battery then the entire battery is 238 kwh.

[@USUG0]

it would be about time to stop letting automakers to get away with the 10-80% charging time "standard". It is not 2015, or even 2020, anymore. Should start evaluating charging time performance from 5-10% to 90% SOC

[@Resist4]

If Chevy gave this truck steer by wire and an auto hard bed cover, I'd buy it right away! I'd also prefer it came with smaller wheels for an even longer range.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Silverado = Fast DC Charging. Equinox = Slow DC Charging Both designed & built by Chevrolet.

[@Nebula1701]

It's the same modules, same amperage, the only difference is the more modules the higher the voltage. Equinox = 10 Modules, Silverado = 24.

[@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh]

This ja an extremely rushed product because they are petrified of cyber 😂😂😂

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh Maybe correct, but they did a very good job based on range and charging speed.

[@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh]

Best of luck finding a 350kwh charger which isn’t derated. 😂😂😂

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

There are a LOT of them by me. Way more than the derated ones

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

It's not range anxiety, it's finding a damn fast charger that isn't broken anxiety. Until then, my EV buying days are still in the future - I get irritated waiting for 5 minutes - no.effing.way. and I going to sit around for 20-30-40 minutes - life is too damn short to waste time like that.

[@sesmeltz1965]

I was worried about this too before getting the Sierra EV. My strategy has been to simply plug in, go take care of my bathroom stop, and leave. Don't wait for the truck to reach a particular state of charge, just go. Charge it every time you stop near a charger (you may be surprised how many there are) but don't stop for longer than YOU need, not the truck. With so much range and so much charging speed, in nearly 4k miles I have never had a reason that wasn't good enough even when towing across Alabama, Georgia, and Florida immediately after Helene hit. To this day I've never waited for the truck to charge. It's a different way of thinking (you wouldn't bother filling your gas tank if you made a quick top at 3/4 tank) but it takes zero time and it's nearly impossible to drain the battery this way on a day's drive. If you get a hotel with EV chargers (or plug in at a house you stay at overnight, etc), you can start the next day with a full tank ready to do it again.

[@fiehlsport]

You spend more time at the gas station every week filling up your car than you do charging on road trips in a year. Think about it. Unless you live on the road, an EV will save you time in the long run. They charge overnight while you sleep.

[@plasma3211]

At $98 grand I’m out!

[@seaplaneguy1]

166 kwh x 0.666 hr = 110 kw average charge. The boiler plate says 350 kw, but reality is 110 kw. 350/110= 3.2 times less than people think. That is PATHETIC. Filling gasoline fuel is 20,220 kw for gasoline constantly. 20,220/110= 183 times faster. The future is making fuel, NOT charging a stupid battery. Wake up.

[@dennisengland9787]

Making fuel is killing the planet. Wake up.

[@camarocoons]

166 kWh / 0.666 h = 249 kW average charge rate

[@seaplaneguy1]

@@camarocoons yes, my mistake. Still sucks.

[@davehudgens1]

Tesla is the only way to go

[@TAWithiam]

It can charge at v3 and later tesla super chargers, and has the port in the right spot. It also has almost twice the battery of the cyber truck, and if you aren't towing, than why are you getting a truck? A utility trailer on a car is better than a truck bed it that's all you want

[@sesmeltz1965]

Sorry but no. These trucks can tow so much further than any Tesla there's no comparison. They are also more functional than the CT as a truck. I'm not hating on the CT, but it's an SUV with impressive payload rating rather than a truck. Its towing performance is inadequate for long distance, the bedrails make it impossible to sideload, and the visibility is too limited to navigate around close obstacles. That's ok if it suits someone's needs, but my recent 700 mile trip with a 6k lb trailer would have been an extreme headache in it and Tesla chargers are typically limited to less than 2/3 the charging speed these are capable of AND derate below that once the cables warm up. Hard pass for me on the Tesla CT and chargers.

[@dvader3263]

@@TAWithiamSo much assumption there. With small lots, short driveways and short garages in new homes, a lot of people don't have a place to store a utility trailer. Having a truck is often a lot easier and more convenient than hitching up a trailer if coming home from work, or whenever. In tight spaces, a trailer isn't ideal for maneuverability or turning around. For off-roading, camping, fishing, tradespeople, delivery services, life on property or a farm or for those who keep busy with hobbies, yard work, building or remodeling, a truck works better than a car and a utility trailer. By your kind of logic, everyone should drive a 2 seat Smart Car and have everything delivered to their home. Or, most people should just ride motorcycles or scooters. Few people need a car for commuting or work.

[@TAWithiam]

@@dvader3263 that's a lot of assumptions yourself lol :P. You have some good points there, I definitely didn't consider lack of space, that's a good point!, but no, my logic does not justify a smart car at all, they can't move that many people and you can't exactly hitch up more seating. Also, having things delivered to you, or similar solutions like renting a car when you need it necessarily a better option, as that's much more of a hassle than owning a 4 door anything, and sometimes it's worth the price. Thing is though, I think that if you need regular use of a truck bed for half the things you listed, a van is the better fit. You can't put tools you don't want stolen in a truck bed unless you have a cap, in which case you've just made a worse van (unless you are going off road or need that additional towing capacity, but check out the towing specs on a ford e350) Also, don't just think about large heavy utility trailers, look at those super cheap ones that weigh nothing, you just move them around with your hands, you don't need to mess around trying to back them into anything. I know from experience, as I have access to both a 1 ton pickup with an 8ft bed and a 150lbs 1700lb capacity utility trailer I tow behind a normal sedan, and I always pick the trailer to move furniture, pallets, supplies, metal from the scrap yard, etc, as it's got that low ground clearance and a gate that forms a nice ramp to move stuff up and down. The truck has it's uses, and for me, those uses come down to it's towing capacity, and off road stuff when camping, and honestly, maybe you just want an SUV for half those things you listed, not sure why that truck bed has to be open lol. In all seriousness though, what's up man? It's ok to have a truck if you just like having a truck, just saying it's not the only solution, and some of the other ones really do have pro's too.

[@steveclemens8488]

Starting at $95K it doesn't matter how fast it charges......I'll stick with my $65K minus $7500 Lightning