Stay at home dads are total clowns (God doesn't take them seriously)

[@MarkDriscollMinistries]

These clips always bring the beta males to the comments. Get a job!

[@bryanjs4785]

Very curious as to why the title and the thumbnail are the way they are when you didn't mention stay at home dads a single time in the clip....

[@turdferg9703]

That's not a godly way to talk to people

[@frostiproclamation]

Okay, so I'm going to direct the question directly to pastor Mark and hope that he actually answers it: my small group leader is a stay-at-home dad and his wife is a full-time educator. He's a handyman as well, and he takes care of his children. They're very young. So is this dynamic fitting with what you're trying to say in the title of this clip? I hope not.

[@ChileRobson]

I agree that work is a good thing that we should pursue. However, to state that one is "not a real man when he does not work" is way too oversimplified at best and extremely painful and short-sighted at worst. I myself have always been working, but because of chronic illness I have not been able to do for the last year. The mental challenge is overwhelming at times. Thankfully, my identity and worth is in Jesus Christ, and not in what I do. God bless

[@coreykeplinger3391]

The title is worthless men. There is a difference between not adding value and having no value.

[@DawnDeVore]

The most cursed work in the world is that of the stay at home parent. The problem is the pastor is arrogant and denies the work of others. I hope he is humbled by the God he served and has to work as a stay at home caregiver. He is too simple

[@theverystones2643]

Yes He is very proud of his own strength and his own achievements. They all happened because of his own greatness. Any man who achieved less than him is not a man. No circumstances excuse this fact. He is the perfect man, just like Mohammed.. say. Same mindset in more than passing it would seem

[@mechengineer-sv2ei]

As a man, I feel lesser sitting behind a computer. I feel like I need to be doing a real mans' work. Unfortunately, it doesn't always pay.

[@Green.Country.Agroforestry]

For thousands of years, men worked from their homes, and god took them seriously. They did not work for money, they worked to provide food, shelter, and security for their families - many lived their entire lives within a short distance from where they were born, and never held "money". god took them seriously. You, God does not take seriously at all.

[@firstlast8258]

Money is at the job if you are able bodied

[@cousinbryan3007]

Taking care of the home and kids is work. You need to distinguish between men who care for home and kids and those who act like they're one of the kids.

[@Slugnworm]

I agree dude is tripping, but being home with the kids is not "work". I tell my wife the same thing, if you are able to stay at home with your kids you should feel blessed period. Get off your feminine mindset

[@sheepdog916]

@@SlugnwormI don’t think you believe that.

[@GamingDrummer89]

@@Slugnworm If caring for kids in a hospital or at a day care center counts as work, so does caring for kids at home. That's not feminine, it's just factual.

[@nikkilockard1297]

@@Slugnworm do you actually tell your wife staying home with the kids is not work? If so you’re the one who’s tripping and undermining your wife. Staying home with kids is by far the hardest job I’ve had as a woman and of course I feel blessed that financially we are able to keep me home with them. But sheesh there are days going to back to work full time would be easier aka less stressful mentally & emotionally and your house wouldn’t be a constant disaster as no one would be home most of the day! I worked hard with good work ethic from 16-35 years old in restaurants, bring a hairstylist and the last 13 years in corporate banking & real estate title company. After being home for 3 years with the littles I’d definitely say my job THAT PAID ME was absolutely easier (my kids went to day care till they were 4 & 2). Now I work harder everyday rarely sitting down, I’m more mentally drained and stressed and I do it for no $ … but it’s absolutely worth it to raise them for the Lord.

[@silverbull6834]

I run a couple of businesses and spend a lot of time caring for and looking after my three children under five. Looking after my children is work and very fulfilling work at that. A provocative video titled to engage. Beta males? I don’t remember that term in the Bible. Beta meaning subordinate to others. Philippians talks about considering others better than yourself. This is drama and engagement over love. Gifting and not godliness. True he’s a gifted guy. Love your wife as Christ loved the church. Don’t tell your wife looking after your children is not work, that’s really sad and I pray that God shows you his heart. It is an honour to be at home. It is also your honour to be earning money. The definition of work is not if it’s paid or not. ❤. Thanks all for sharing.

[@moglimogify]

Being a stay at home dad is work. Cooking, cleaning, managing finances school runs. There is nothing in scripture that says a man's work must be paid work. If you're playing games all day then you're a dead beat but home making by either gender is work.

[@EastCoastPGS]

100%

[@xJJ07]

and what if the mom is not even Christian 🙄 we all sin , and fall short but now you got real life kids Someone needs to raise them in a Christian home . (spiritual work is more important ) in my opinion mom's are awesome if they are a REAL Godly Mom but if not then your might be in trouble. I was lucky to been raise in a home with a God fearing Mom they gave me Godly love . my father could careless about our spiritual life but my mom was a rock ! 🪨 main point is don't let money control the way you parent focus on the spiritual things and trusure the moments (time is more valuable than money ) I would pay all the money in the world to relive the moments with my babies . 👶

[@matthewdyer2926]

Right; it's the wife's work; the _woman's_ work. That's the work you're doing.

[@firstlast8258]

​@@xJJ07gawd

[@firstlast8258]

​@matthewdyer2926 speak for yourself 🤓 🖕

[@hades7320]

5:18 that is the definition of what he himself does. He pontificates and puts on a show for his audience. He doesnt have another job, this has been his career for decades. Plus to be honest it doesnt seem like he spends the time at home reading the bible since almost every quote he uses is misconstrued (or he just cherry picks what fits his ideas). It's sad to see how many people listen to him.

[@denv4237]

My father was a stay at home dad for me because my mother wasn’t supposed to have me otherwise she’d be crippled and disabled. She chose my life and suffered immediately and became crippled, deformed and ultimately my dad was her only care giver. The worse she got the more she relied on him. They both died of heart attacks. I can’t imagine why. So- this preacher needs to think before he acts as if he knows the dynamics. My father raised me so dang good- teachers hated him for the time he’d spend with me. Teaching me and preparing me for school and LIFE. HE ALSO had to be the one to raise me how to be a wife and mother one day and he’s ALSO the only one who raised me on the word of God and never gave up on me and he lived long enough to witness and enjoy my salvation for 2 years and he passed.

[@firstlast8258]

Gawd

[@filup005]

That’s a rough situation, I’m so sorry. I think he is discussing a lazy spirit that can rise up in men. You dad sounds like an amazing hardworking man. He’s not talking about him.

[@runningbaum9430]

I concur.

[@runningbaum9430]

You need to hear what he is saying in his context.

[@Janevelyn]

I heard him specifically address a similar question and he affirmed that there are exceptions but it’s just we shouldn’t focus on them since as it is we already have way too many overgrown boys

[@blam9360]

Being a stay at home parent is also work. Never ending work.

[@andrewmartin6217]

Yeah; WOMAN’S work.

[@blam9360]

@@andrewmartin6217 Raising children is not woman's work, genius. It takes two, just like when you helped make them.

[@juliaarambula3153]

@@blam9360 his response is exactly why I am happy childless.

[@blam9360]

@@juliaarambula3153 With that attitude, please don't reproduce.

[@ChaptaboisEnt1]

​@andrewmartin6217 The man is supposed to raise his children. He is the teacher. He is the priest. He is the head. If he's only working and providing money. He is abandoning his duty. Stop listening to pastors and pick up a bible lol

[@richardjohanson612]

Held 2 jobs most of my life-all shifts.. furniture warehouses, Targetwarehouse, sod farms, caretaker, etc... L5 fushion... 4 Cracked vertebrae in neck... shoulder surgery... now need 2 hips replaced no cartilage in them... still do housework... laundry,cook, clean etc... some are NOT worthless!

[@richardjohanson612]

Now I have more time for God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit... 1 John 2:24-27

[@BenjaminOglivie911]

definitely NOT worthless. No one made in the image of God is worthless. Good job brother, hope you are well.

[@bryanjs4785]

I've listened to the clip twice now. He actually doesn't mention stay at home dads a single time... I don't know why they made the title and thumbnail the way they did...

[@BenjaminOglivie911]

@@bryanjs4785 yeah it's definitely a marekting issue.

[@AKGUS]

Im a retired military man. I stay at home and home school our two girls. I contribute to our church and our community, and im trying to get a side hustle online. My wife who is highly educated works away from the home. Its the only way we can financially make it work. This title is clickbait. His message didn’t line up with the title.

[@PhysiqueFuel]

I agree, I wonder why he allowed this title though?

[@LuisRodriguez-xg1sh]

Be careful your woman can be having an affair. If she truly is a woman of God then forget what i said, but if she is not and makes more money than you then she doesn’t respect you

[@jeffnorris211]

@@LuisRodriguez-xg1shYou don’t know anything about them dude.

[@johnwhaggard]

You are doing important work! He is talking about a mindset of entitlement and laziness.

[@BScottBurrell]

I agree didn’t listen to the clown but was directed to your message, as I’m in the same race as you,brother in this evil world it’s going to take real men raising children exp girls in a manner that will lead us back to Jesus and the Father. May God Bless you and your home

[@donnalincoln8567]

Monitary value of a stay at home parent no matter the gender: IF THEY GOT PAID A SALARY BY STAYING HOME AND DOING ALL THAT IS REQUIRED OF RUNNING A HOUSEHOLD INCLUDING CARE OF CHILDREN THEY WOULD RECEIVE $71,463.00 A YEAR. DO YOUR RESEARCH.

[@vonitaesse4307]

Don’t let him get to you! This Mark Driscoll is the real clown. I respect the men who are humble enough to recognize that they are the ones who need to step down to allow their wives to work. Someone need to do it so might as well be the one whose salary is lesser at that moment in time. Men contribute hugely to the household. My husband renovated the entire house, fixes plumbing, electrical, appliances, broken doors, gates, garden, etc, and he cooks. But his real worth is the heart and love he has for our four daughters and the time he spends with us instead of going out for beers with his buddies! Everyone should aspire to be like my husband! ❤

[@joeh5227]

I was a stay at home dad for 24 years while my wife worked a day job. Reason? She was made to work as a kid amd i wasn't. I knew how to take care of a home AND do all the things my carpenter dad did. So i played both roles at home and worked hard at it. But... After 28 years of marriage i finally figured out why my marriage always had problems. It was because of the role reversal. It made her too hard and me too soft. When we switched to proper roles it fixed everything. So i agree with this video. Men should be providers and women keepers of the home and children. If society had always been that way we wouldnt be seeing so much evil being promoted today.

[@NebulaSon]

🤡

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

My dad was a stay-at-home dad for 10 years while I was a teenager. I disagree with your title and the framing of the argument but I understand the context. Men need work as in having a daily purposeful goal not necessarily related to employment.

[@greysuit17]

Well said

[@insiderevolverstudios]

Sucks for people like me a disabled veteran who cant work...should really clearify that we are no less a man, unable to work...

[@gregtyler4002]

His message wasn't for you

[@Always_A_Lady]

@insiderevolverstudios Thank you Sir for your service it's MEN like you that are the reason myself & my children have our freedoms & could lay down in safety every night. I am sorry you were wounded & disabled I realize these words fix nothing for you I wish they could just please know that I am thankful to you & every soldier that have fought for our country. May God Bless & Keep You. Please take care. Signed: A Grateful Mama & Patriot !!! 🌹🌻❤️🙏🙂

[@insiderevolverstudios]

​@@gregtyler4002He should clarify that, He was speaking to and about "Men", last I checked I was still in that category, and not some sub catagory...

[@BenjaminOglivie911]

agree, we just have to be more gentle and kind with our messages. This message is not meant for people like you. I think the message can be refined a lot.

[@ronaldholverson257]

Same here. I'm T&P with TDIU.....I guess I'm worthless according this clown lol

[@shaunsteele6926]

I'm a "stay at home dad", but only because I work from home since Covid lol

[@kenethsoberano]

That would classify you as "work from home". Not "stay at home".

[@carrow2250]

Yup. Been married 20 years, stay at home Christian dad with a toddler and infant girls. 12 hours a day 7 days a week from 8am to 8pm I spend raising my kids. Wife makes $625k and works from home.

[@zerosoma33]

It ain’t easy

[@airplane800]

I was talking to some Christian counselors, and they were telling how many Christian men they are treating because of things arrogant pastors say to hurt people. I will say again that pastor Driscoll is obsessed with this topic. When Jimmy Swagart was involved with a prostitute, he was preaching often about being faithful. There is a theory that preachers preach to themselves about things they struggle with.

[@matt8637]

Wow, yes, you say a lot here. I am still concerned about Driscoll. He seems to like to belittle as a modus operandi. I do understand that there are times when men need to step it up and be men. We would all admit that about ourselves at certain times, no doubt. But Driscoll seems to want to belittle and shame in an almost fixated way. What is he like behind closed doors if he is like this from the pulpit? Has he not changed from his time in Seattle? Maybe not. I think as Christian men we have to stay careful and discerning with Mark Driscoll. We may see a repeat of all the events that happened in Seattle. (I think I am going to post my response to you on its own thread.)

[@wrtpbd]

our men have become weak, they are seeking counseling because a pastor hurt their feelings ?

[@GamingDrummer89]

@@wrtpbd You're overlooking the real villain here: people like Driscoll who think they're God's chosen gatekeepers of maturity. It's all a bunch of close-minded pandering to tradition as truth. I agree that man was made to work, but Driscoll has made a career out of shaming people because they don't conform to his cookie cutter view of things.

[@wolfpack4672]

Nice projection there based on nothing. And those "men" you referred to are the ones who need to hear this

[@zerosoma33]

@@wrtpbd you think weak men seek counseling? I’ll bet your wife is miserable. It’s strong men who see their need for counseling, just like it’s strong men who see their need for Jesus. Grow up and stop being a ridiculous beta.

[@jasonrichards9575]

When you go to "work"; and your wife is at home with the kids. She is WORKING. Probably HARDER THAN YOU!

[@juliaarambula3153]

Well said and sadly overlooked. Especially when she is homeschooling.

[@NebulaSon]

So that means stay at home dads are working harder than their working wives.

[@NebulaSon]

​@@juliaarambula3153So that means stay at home dads are working harder than their working wives. Right?

[@juliaarambula3153]

@@NebulaSon yes that’s very possible a stay home husband fully taking care of the kids works harder than his working wife. Absolutely! Especially if the other spouse has a job that’s not demanding.

[@TheAlienPunker]

The more modern preachers yap...the less i need to go to "church"

[@jaymichael91]

I know right. I'm 72 years old. Was a workaholic before I retired. And ask my grown adult children if I can do anything for them. Please!

[@rsg833]

👍🏾🙏🏾👊🏾

[@hunteryoung5154]

@cuchulainn3474 You are right, but also since Jesus came we are called to be more evangelistic and serve those in our community. We need to focus on building good families and taking dominion over the land, but also go out into the world and bring the gospel.

[@firstlast8258]

​@cuchulainn3474 money is at the job if you are able bodied

[@ChrisStacey]

Mark I am now disabled and have two children one of whom is autistic. I worked from 8 years of age and now I'm disabled at 42. I can't get a 9-5. I look after and support my family in many other ways. I have followed you from 2007. Despite some of your shortcomings I did not judge you. But it is particularly damning words from your mouth that misrepresent the truth. It is times like this that your brain should of dwelt and prayed on this topic a little longer before your tongue spoke, it does not fully show God breathed and inspired doctrine. It is simple times a shepherd of a flock will see the sheep bolt through the hole in the fence. Please slow your roll and give more time to God given words of encouragement then what appears to be you losing it with society. It is the 'old man syndrome'. I can't quite keep up with the ferocious and quick uploading of all your works. But I will pray for you as you like me are merely man and I pray you don't end up in a situation where it is only your spouse being the worker. It would humble you to the point that sometimes your pain and suffering tells your body, hey, let's take a quick exit stage right to be with the lord. And sermons like this just fuel suicidal thoughts. Bear that in mind please. Bless you. @markdriscollministries

[@I_am_Diogenes]

SO I have no Eternal hope because I am physically disabled and unable to work ..... interesting position for a man who does no physical labor and fits into his own definition of a non worker .

[@lisaallen9339]

The spirit behind it: if you can work and choose not to. Not those who can’t work-or who are sincerely looking for employment and have hit a real wall.

[@ethanplacella]

For those of you getting triggered you clearly didn’t listen to anything Mark said. Mark isn’t talking about men who CAN’T work due to disabilities or reasons that don’t allow him too. Mark is addressing a generation of men who are CAPABLE of working but would rather NOT and instead let their wives be the bread winner. It’s men who willfully put the burden to provide on the wife when the man HAS the ability to carry it. Why? Because God created the man to provide and work. I know men who stay at home playing computer games instead of finding a job and the wife works and pays the bills..

[@DannyD-lr5yg]

It’s very telling that you - and Mark - automatically assume that being a homemaker and child-caretaker is not hard work, when done well.

[@ethanplacella]

@@DannyD-lr5yg it’s very telling that you imply that’s what I said and believe which I don’t. You also clearly didn’t read what I wrote.

[@dexternelson]

I work from home full time, and have for 12 years come this June... and I am one of the hardest working people I know. I operate two businesses and organized my company structures so that I don't need to commute. I guess if I had kids, I'd be a worthless according to this. Work doesn't have to be getting up at the crack of dawn, leaving your home, and driving out to a construction site, or to a factory, or to farm, or driving from site to site 1,000 miles a week, staying in hotels during the week and driving home for the weekend because you're on a high rise running cable, or standing post protecting a building, or bouncing for an Arena. All of which I've done, and more. The Protestant work ethic is highly, highly productive, and it became the foundation for the country's economic system, and it changed our education system to produce workers and employees out of the masses. Even business management or business administration degrees don't teach you how to start a business - just how to manage one. When I wanted to start a business, you know what I had to do? I had to basically pimp out my skills to millionaires for free while I learned from them, and after that it took me three years before my business was profitable. I love the Lord Jesus Christ with all of my heart, and I appreciate that he was a carpenter's son. And I love pastor Mark. But I learned that work isn't just physical labor, nor does it only mean a traditional job. Afer the 08/09 crash? I couldn't find work on labor day. I was out of work for 18 months. So I did what I had to do, and by the grace of God, in 2012 I was able to make enough money that nobody had to help me with my bills. And I've been doing that ever since. I'm a homeowner now, hopefully will find a good woman, have some kids. I'll provde and protect. As long as the money is legal and ethical, I don't care where my money comes from. I'll do whatever I have to do to provide.

[@dexternelson]

@@HalleluYAH-b5d Oh look. A troll. With insults. In the comments. How 2023 of you

[@firstlast8258]

​@@HalleluYAH-b5dspeak for yourself 🤓 🖕

[@samuelmiller5745]

This has bothered me as a widowed man who stays at home while getting paid to take care of two of his children who are disabled while attending college. It bothers me to not be providing as I did before my wife passed away. I just know what is required for a man it sometimes it seems as though I am not doing my job. I just pray and trust Gods grace to lead me through. But I agree with pastor on his take by the way.

[@BenjaminOglivie911]

hmm, I think working hard to raise children as a widower is a virtuous thing. If you do your best and you pray and are lead by the Spirit, then I don't see any sin in that. I think if you're doing your best it shouldn't bother you. If you feel that you weren't doing your best then maybe it should bother you. So only you and God can determine that with prayer and reading the scripture. Good luck brother.

[@alakazoom87]

I'd avoid listening to Mark on these issues.. he's not qualified to pastor a church based on 1/2 Timothy.

[@JerkyBaron]

I spent my formative years hardly seeing any real men because they were at work all the time and exhausted and uninspired by days end. And the mothers let the children raise themselves. Catch-22

[@princesssweetpea9205]

Taking care of ones family IS HONORABLE WORK!!!! Period..... This preacher, and all preachers, would do well to abide by the Word, and JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED!!!! As long as this is what is right for the family, and the mother is not being 'burdened' to work... DO YOU, MARK, NO EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH """"WORK*** IS REQUIRED TO TAKE CARE OF A HOME AND FAMILY... You don't get nights and weekends off. WAKE UP....... A woman who 'works' because she does not have a husband who is there to take responsibility... that is an abomination. But, remember... If it is a 'family... a man and a women doing all they can to provide for and raise their children... THAT IS BLESSED... THAT IS BLESSED !!!!!!

[@dewaynehastings3191]

Have to disagree a man that’s willing to be a full time father I respect. Gods love is unconditional. It’s his family and it’s between him and God.

[@kenethsoberano]

A full time father works and provides for his family. Those that don't are worse than an unbeliever according to scripture.

[@dewaynehastings3191]

He is providing for his family. This family likely has a mother whose job provides financial stability. When we place ourselves in the position of God we tend to add to the word of God which is a dangerous place to be. He’s providing stability at home. When most men who work come home to be the slouch and think the wife is his property to treat like a dog.

[@Primordial_Synapse]

I understand Mark's perspective and acknowledge that there may be "stay-at-home dads" who fit the description he is criticizing. However, it is important to note that not all of them fall into that category. For instance, there are individuals who are unable to work due to legitimate medical reasons but still actively contribute to household upkeep and their families. Among this group, we can include tradesmen who have expended their physical capabilities through hard work. This situation resembles the tendency to make sweeping criticisms about the homeless. Often, people assume that all homeless people are mentally ill or drug addicts, implying that if they were to clean up their act, they could obtain stable employment and housing, making their existence worthwhile. We call these the "visible homeless," and indeed they do exist. However, it is crucial to recognize the "invisible homeless" as well who have, through no fault of their own, ended up on the streets. They do not engage in substance abuse and some even hold full-time jobs, if they are fortunate enough to be employed. Nonetheless, they face countless obstacles that hinder their ability to escape their predicament, which is not a case of "creation rising up in rebellion against them." Instead, it is the result of stubborn and haughty individuals in positions of authority who purposefully degrade and belittle those less fortunate than themselves, often going out of their way to make the road to recovery more difficult than it needs to be.

[@BenjaminOglivie911]

This is a fair criticism. I think the issue is when videos go for clicks, you can often unnecessarily insult those who are doing God's will.

[@Primordial_Synapse]

​@@smokyquartz5817 I never said that it was. However, I find that whenever the subject of homelessness comes up in popular discourse, it over-represents the "visible homeless" and applies a sweeping generalization of their condition to everyone else who is currently on the streets or in temporary shelters, when such is not the case.

[@frostiproclamation]

Then why does he go out of his way to insult people right off the title? Like for instance I'm a rideshare driver and I have heard him not once but twice insult us and say that we're not doing a real job. Tell that to the many people who I've picked up that would have been in a car under the influence otherwise. He's starting to remind me of this one pastor who told me that my mother didn't love me and that she wanted to abandon me. And when confronted about it later said he didn't do a thing wrong.

[@irreccon]

When you have to write a book to get make your point it usually means your skirting around the truth.

[@Lookup5784y]

I don’t like generalizations. There are sick, elderly, mentally ill, disabled and on the other hand there’s lazy. That’s who he’s talking to. But the first group will take this to heart, the devil will play with their mind and use it to his good😢

[@WadeWeigle]

I’ve been a stay at home dad for 12 years. Before that I busted my butt on Aircraft Carriers as an electrician. Here at home the ONLY job my wife does is earn money. I do everything thing else. I work harder now than I ever did. And here you are telling me God thinks I’m a joke and I’m some beta male because of what I do for my family. You know not of what you speak. I honestly have great gratitude to all the stay at home moms that did this mess for centuries before I came on the scene. And all they had to do was tend the kids, keep the house clean, and keep meals flowing. Brother, I’ve got a job and it’s far harder than what you think.

[@roxanneevans9470]

Besides being handicapped; men are the providers of their families. Young men today should learn a work ethic. Just stick to what the word of God says. That's the safest. There are very clear guide lines to godly order in the family and it works. It may be old fashioned to some but it works.

[@DeathClownGingy]

Currently my wife and I work full time but we just had our first child, and we're trying to decide the best course of action when he starts schooling since she makes over double what I do while working from home. So, what is better? 1: Have my children be raised by public school teachers and daycare workers who will fill their heads with their worldly principles because no one stays at home? 2: Have my wife quit her job that pays over double what mine does and hope that I eventually work my way up to provide the standard of living her job could? 3: I handle the homeschooling, cooking, cleaning, daily spiritual enrichment etc while my wife makes $70K from the couch, giving my children lives where they are with both parents as much as possible and making memories daily? My father worked 60-80 hrs a week, and now his body is failing and he very well may not see all his grandchildren be born. Taking care of numerous children plus a house is a full time job unless you send them to public school and daycare and waste a ton of the money you'd earn by both working, plus increases the likelihood my children fall away from faith. But hey, if literalist interpretation is more important than making sure the next generation is raised right, go right ahead.

[@jodirt1286]

title is clickbait. trying to make money from those clicks.

[@matt8637]

I am still concerned about Driscoll. He seems to like to belittle as a modus operandi. I do understand that there are times when men need to step it up and be men. We would all admit that about ourselves at certain times, no doubt. But Driscoll seems to want to belittle and shame in an almost fixated way. What is he like behind closed doors if he is like this from the pulpit? Has he not changed from his time in Seattle? Maybe not. I think as Christian men we have to stay careful and discerning with Mark Driscoll. We may see a repeat of all the events that happened in Seattle.

[@juliaarambula3153]

I would not want to be married to a dude with his ego. No thanks.

[@jackiemorrison2661]

I totally disagree with Mark on this!

[@nathanbywater3888]

Would you like to justify your disagreement

[@jackiemorrison2661]

@@nathanbywater3888 are you just looking for an arguement???

[@jameybobamey7343]

​@@nathanbywater3888is the paralyzed beggar in the Bible not a man?

[@jameybobamey7343]

@@HalleluYAH-b5d but that refers to free loaders capable of working and do not. Numerous Bible verses about feeding and caring for the homeless, etc. By the way if we take that as black and white then nobody should be allowed to retire and collect social security and everyone should have to work until the day they die

[@jameybobamey7343]

@@HalleluYAH-b5d no it isn't. The very title of the video is stay at home dads. Raising children is a job. And sometimes a woman might be in a better position to bring home more money than the husband. There is not and should not be anything wrong with this. Sometimes it's for a season, sometimes it's long term. But if both parties are doing what is best for their family then who are we to judge? Both husband and wife are providing something. And it's not like it was just twenty or thirty years ago when many families could raise their kids on one income. So if they are able to make that happen and someone can spend time with the children that isn't a stranger then I say more power to them. This clearly isn't about someone just free loading. It takes a lot of work to raise children and maintain a house and nothing in th Bible says it is a woman's job to stay at home while a man goes out and works. Let's not forget the Proverns 31 woman 10 [a]A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies. 11 Her husband has full confidence in her and lacks nothing of value. 12 She brings him good, not harm, all the days of her life. 13 She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. 14 She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. 15 She gets up while it is still night; she provides food for her family and portions for her female servants. 16 She considers a field and buys it; out of her earnings she plants a vineyard. 17 She sets about her work vigorously; her arms are strong for her tasks. 18 She sees that her trading is profitable, and her lamp does not go out at night.

[@timmeans-vs9zi]

The funniest thing about this whole thing is that there are people that are gonna allow this guy define “what is a man” for them!!😂😂😂

[@howardsutton826]

Mark you fell right into Satan's trap at SMC disrupted everything and that my friend is the perfect example of a Jesibel spirit

[@insiderevolverstudios]

He found his physically easy path being a lifelong pastor, he has, sat around theologizing, and speculating, and not worked months on end in the heat or freezing cold and snow. Being a pastor is not easy, and it is a job, emotionally it is very draining, but he is not hefting a shovel, hammer or working as he talk's about what real men do...

[@alakazoom87]

he's not qualified to be a pastor and should step down. Real men accept church discipline, Mark ran from it.

[@insiderevolverstudios]

@@alakazoom87 Others I have hear say he sought it out and was given it and was restored according to Galatations. He didnt stay in the church that accused him accuratly or not and like Saul who became Paul, Peter, and David those men were forgiven and not taken out of their place of ministry or authority. Everyone of then made a public display of their sin and harmed their reputation and yet they were not told to permenatly set down...

[@nothin2pruv]

​@@alakazoom87 that's not what happened. You should probably focus on something else with your energy. He's loved by his current congregation and the one that usurped his role has utterly collapsed. He's also more popular than he's ever been in the public eye.

[@alakazoom87]

@nothin2pruv what does public eye matter? He tells his congregation he sees their sexual sins.. the man is a false teacher

[@nothin2pruv]

@@alakazoom87 my point is that your obsession to character assassinate a man almost a decade after effeminate men in his church toppled him from the church that he was used by God to establish is not going anywhere, obviously. All of Acts 29 was destroyed because of this rebellion against a Godly pastor. But you've all failed to destroy Mark and if current year is any indication will continue to do so. You should focus your energy somewhere more productive. He's not a false teacher. What you people did to my home church through these attacks was evil. You've hurt real Christians in real ways with your subversive Alinskyite war on Christianity. Mark Driscoll hurt feelings, you destroyed a network of good churches. Get a life already it's been a decade.

[@Mamakin1965]

The only clown is the one on stage.

[@ChristKrew-Rev1.8]

As a 100% disabled veteran and unable to work... does GOD condemn me???? So my service to my country and the agreement between my country and I... a blank check up to my life with the understanding that if I became unable to work... They would help provide for my family. Not to worry as our country is finding ways to give their promises to foreign nationals.

[@oldschoolkrist]

Lots of feathers ruffled by Mark speaking Gods word. You can’t fix a problem that you refuse to recognize.

[@DannyHouk]

Also can't fix a problem that isn't a problem. God does want all people to work, but that doesn't only mean income-generating work.

[@bdan19921]

"Nobody ever paid you to take a nap" The overnight security guards I run into at my job would like to differ

[@donnalincoln8567]

Some are asking what work do you do pastor other than stay at home and come up with things to say to put down your congregation.

[@lilacason1759]

I noticed in this short video he did not say anything that the title says. Maybe someone else is uploading his short videos and title them themselves??

[@kenethsoberano]

He does not post any social media at all. Others manage all of his accounts.

[@andrewmallard1974]

You start building a house and some tweeker comes along and steals your copper and you have to work harder now.

[@firstlast8258]

Speak for yourself

[@TwoBaptisms]

As Mark Driscoll gets more comfortable after his fall from grace, his toxic takes will become more prevalent. He is clearly a gifted teacher, but it doesn't make him infalable. If you want to know what a real man looks like, Mark can't tell you...he will only tell you his stereotyped and biased outlook. Look to Jesus, he was the example that all men should strive to be...love AND justice, strength AND tenderness. Look biblically, not publicly.

[@rsg833]

😳have u listen to the clip

[@georgehumphrey1632]

It is easy to say. I have a slipped disc, Is herniated disc in my back from working. I feel worthless already, but I will leave it to God to decide.

[@matthewscott9376]

Biblically this is accurate - however, life is a little more complex than this. There is times and seasons that dictate what the family dynamic looks like. If a man is ill and can’t work what happens then?

[@rsg833]

…..speaking respectfully …… We then “rightly divided the word of truth “

[@J.WinstonCPA]

Agreed

[@johntrainssmith1475]

I would like to hear his viewpoint on those of us who have suffered debilitating injury, and can no longer work, but do what we can to support our families the best we can whilst we desperately would like our lives back, our abilities back and full healing, I know im not worthless, I think this sermon needs to address the finer points of this issue. May God bring back the lost years that the strong man has taken, with his blessing.

[@firstlast8258]

Gawd bless Murica

[@ArthurMuneh]

I do work on my marketing stuff but reality is my wife brings way more income than me because she managed to do better even that I’ve worked for years. And I have no problem with that

[@pou4518]

Well this will be the last clip I watch. Not all people, both men and women who stay at home sit and ponder all day. Amazingly short sighted Mr. Driscoll, I hope the rest of this 'sermon' had a better explanation.

[@pou4518]

Just looked him up, good Ole reformed theology, not shocked at all.

[@josephvanwyk2088]

I'm sending out TONS of emails to jobs (because I want to work) and after 6 months unemployed, living of savings, still nothing. Luckily I do not have kids or a wife - so I can count my blessings. All I know is God is opening doors somewhere, I just need to keep my eyes on Him. Amen. But I know I am not worthless. You might want to rethink this expedition of yours.

[@jeremydillon1000]

I was 3 YEARS unemployed after serving in local government in the UK. It messed with my identity and I applied for hundreds of jobs. During this time, I volunteered and learned new skills, but it was really demoralising at times. You are not defined by your job title, just as you are not defined by your relationships etc. Keep going.

[@firstlast8258]

Gawd

[@firstlast8258]

​@@jeremydillon1000speak for yourself

[@CDM_Jesus-is-Lord]

I pray the Lord blesses you with the right Job at the right time, in Jesus name! Be blessed in Jesus name!

[@CDM_Jesus-is-Lord]

I pray the Lord blesses you with the right Job at the right time, in Jesus name! Be blessed in Jesus name!

[@maxwillson]

My first job was mowing lawns when I was kid. It was weird because my friends would make fun of me when I told them that I was saving money to buy my own game systems. They didn't believe that I could save money to buy a Nintendo DS ahahahaha

[@jbonaful]

What about those of us who work remotely, run a small farm and watch the kids?

[@freedomlover2358]

I personally think he's referring to those who are lazy and don't do anything. We have a small farm and I know how hard that is and we don't have little kids at home. Lol

[@marandabishop4966]

If yall would actually listen to the video, none of what he says misses the mark on what Scripture says. However the marketing really screwed up on the title and thumbnail. Also Id like to remind eveyone to go re-read proverbs. There is "mens work" and "womens work" laid out for us in the bible. There are also some of you in the comments with situations outside of the normal "mold". Mental, physical illness, disabilities etc. in which case those situations are different (just as they would have been in bible times). Its important to turn to the word when you have questions about or issues with a sermon. Sermons sre preached by men, not God. I dont disagree with any of what he said, those of who felt attacked my question is this? Were you attacked or did you feel convicted? Of you feel attacked, were you or do you let the spirit of offense lead you? Just food for thought! Praying everyone is staying safe and warm! ❤

[@firstlast8258]

Gawd

[@ibrundle]

Hold up. Watch the whole video and you’ll see he never mentions stay at home Dads or says “Stay at home dads are total clowns”. Why was this video given such a deceptive title??

[@Esnara2085]

Hilarious how the guy that stands in front of people telling what they’re doing wrong according to his dogmatic apologetics, all while living off their tithes and offerings he guilts them into giving, is giving a lecture on how to “work”. Hahahaha Driscoll you crack me up!! Have you ever baled hay? Have you ever done concrete work? Have you ever done anything with “the toil and sweat from your brow” other than flip some pages in a Bronze Age collection of ancient writings and then proffer from that through a position of self appointed authority? You know nothing of work or money or living a life outside of your preconceived James Dobson indoctrination. So what if you’ve never baled hay or done concrete work, doesn’t mean you’re not working or a man. If anyone isn’t working it’s YOU!! Living off the guilty giving of your impressionable parishioners who are too afraid to tell you to get a real job and stop living off them.

[@gregtyler4002]

I know the Living God, and I find myself agreeable to your comment. My first vid of Driscoll and it does not appear to me that he bears the fruit of Christ.

[@JB-pd3ir]

Maybe he does at his other job but I certainly get your point.

[@MrGuitarshred777]

All the while he continues to get wealthy off of everyone’s tithes and offerings

[@firstlast8258]

Money is at the job if you are able bodied

[@Peter-wd2ho]

Wow. Someone got triggered. Driscoll swung a hammer before getting into paid ministry

[@SheepAmongG.O.A.T]

Well in their defense our whole system is now fully catering to women favoring them over men now, in positions of course that don't require working in the elements or strength. I've seen it in certain businesses. All for that ESG score.

[@coreykeplinger3391]

"These clips always bring the beta males to the comments. Get a job!" "Stay at home Dads are total clowns." More irresponsible and insensitive comments from Mark Driscoll. Lay's down a challenge in the comment section and runs without actually engaging anyone...

[@ws775]

Sweeping generalization.

[@yoohoo_yootoob]

You might not like what Pastor Driscoll said, but: It's biblical. It's biblical. Which means it's good in the sight of God and therefore offensive to the world.

[@firstlast8258]

Gawd

[@jamiechippett1566]

I worked hard and busted my balls and have a good work ethic and all i got was the hard jobs while the slackos got away with it and now my body has injuries because of my hard work ethic while the slackos bodies are o.k i made a big mistake having a good work ethic used and abused. Now on pension age 54 and loving it. Dont get heaps of money but thankfull and appreciative that i have my own home and dont have to put up with the rat race that would have bought me to an early grave ( stress kills). Living in my REST ! Now. No stress and loving it. 👍🤠🇦🇺

[@firstlast8258]

Takes one to know one

[@GamingDrummer89]

So...all the work that goes into caring for children and the household as a stay-at-home dad doesn't count because it doesn't fall in line with Driscoll's cookie cutter perspective. Got it.

[@FerallHog]

Staying at your house babysitting your own children is a Lot different than roofing, painting houses, working in an oil field, managing a team of sales reps, being a sales rep, being a truck driver….

[@GamingDrummer89]

@@FerallHog Being a pastor is also a lot different than those, too, so does that make Mark's job illegitimate? No. Same goes for being a stay-at-home parent. Different doesn't mean wrong or "not a job". If working at a daycare taking care of a small group of children for part of the day counts as a job (which it does), then taking care of your own children for the entire day as well as taking care of things around the house (a longer list of responsibilities than the average daycare worker has), then being a stay at home parent counts as a job too.

[@FerallHog]

Ba y sitting your kids and cleaning your house isn’t stressful…it’s domestic. Try working manual labor 50 hours a week in the elements or some corporate job with tons of massive stress: reports, long hours, travel, reports, phone calls, 125 emails a day, a jerk boss, a sales goal, a sales funnel to fill. Or try being a financial advisor, constantly trying to get new clients, research, presentations, stress of watching the markets and determining an investment strategy for people. That’s work. Watching your kids and doing laundry and sweeping the floor and soccer practice and helping with homework is parenting. Come on man. You have to know this.

[@GamingDrummer89]

@@FerallHog Parenting is still WORK, though. People work as nannies which involves cleaning houses and taking care of a couple of children there. For some reason that counts as a job but it doesn't if you're a parent doing that same stuff? That's just bad logic. You're setting the threshold for what constitutes work at an arbitrary level based on the most stressful of jobs. Those aren't the only jobs in existence, you know. Some people work office jobs that don't involve much of what you'd call "work" or "stress", but that's still a job. Parenting can be more stressful than those jobs, but for some reason it's not work? All of the things you're suggesting about parenting like it not being stressful not only isn't true of parenting but actually apply to certain other things you would recognize as jobs. If you can't see how arbitrary and two-timing your way of thinking is, you need to rethink this stuff.

[@FerallHog]

@@GamingDrummer89So do you have a manager? Do you make money? Do you get a paycheck? Do you have performance reviews? Do you have a 401k? Do you have co workers that you have to cooperate with? Do you fear layoffs?

[@streamscounselling9501]

Thank you for a great sermon. My kids were 2, 4 and 6 when my husband left us. I was working 3 side jobs whenever I could to provide for the family. The father of my kids had in his mind that I should pursue my career and he would take custody of the children. My oldest is disabled, now she is 22 and still at home with my help. I went back to school to and God has blessed me with a fantastic career. Although I was in poverty raising my little ones, I have no regrets in staying home with them. I was the parent that was to be there with them at home.

[@floppinfrogs4468]

May God bless you all the days of your life. You’re one tough ma. A real man would never run away from his responsibilities, I’m sorry for what happened to you.

[@raiderdavis5555]

Stay at home dads ha e been blacklisted

[@rickysanford9475]

Do pastors work?

[@SwearNoOaths]

Reviling is a sin. Im guilty of it too and it's something God has been telling me to focus on lately.

[@daveb8679]

Another Christian telling us how virtuous they are by explaining other peoples perceived shortcomings. Never gets old.

[@Jomookz]

Whoever is writing the titles to these is doing a disservice to an excellent and encouraging perspective on work from the bible. One could even say they are ‘fighting Mark’s work every step of the way’ Perhaps they need to ‘stay at home and read their bibles’ for a bit.

[@zerosoma33]

It’s Mark, he’s an asshole

[@lisachristinaconfirmed5067]

What if they have a chronic illness beyond their control?

[@winser21]

People are completely misunderstanding this message. When he says work, he’s talking about providing value to someone or something. If being a stay-at-home dad is providing value to someone or something as being a homemaker, then you’re working by providing value. He’s more speaking against those who live off of others and the system and provide little to no value to anything. Then yes, you are a clown and disrespecting the vessel God has blessed you with to create something good.

[@greysuit17]

No he’s straight up said in another video that men that are stay at home dads are worthless. Just as the thumbnail of this video claims. No one’s taking what this pastor said wrong. “God made man to work…” correct “You’re not a man if you do not work” - false, what you do doesnt define if you are a man made in God’s image Sadly in this clip he doesn’t clarify “work”. His attitude is pretty clear that a stay at home dad is a “clown” and “not a man”. There’s good reason people are upset by this video/thunbnail/title. Not very pastoral. Sad to make such a claim in a society that is full of homes with out fathers.

[@winser21]

@@greysuit17 Well if he’s making a claim of strict principle, then it doesn’t really make logical sense since men who are retired are clearly not clowns to this guy. I think it only makes sense to define work as creating value, and I’m sure he would agree if you sat down with him that if you’re creating tangible value with your time, then you’re not one of the losers he’s speaking against. He’s clearly speaking against laziness here.

[@greysuit17]

@@winser21 unfortunately in this video he doesn’t make the distinction you make and unfortunately he makes it seem he’s against stay at home dads because they are clowns.

[@greysuit17]

@@winser21 read the title of the video….it’s a pretty false and foolish comment to make, but I’m sure he didn’t mean it.

[@winser21]

@@greysuit17 I agree the title doesn’t make the distinction, but the message seems to. I thought the same thing you did before I clicked the video, but when I listened, I never heard him disparage dads who where homemakers while their wives worked (which I think you can make an argument for why that’s not an optimal situation, but that’s a different argument). I only heard him specifically lambaste the man who wants to sit at home and pontificate all day while he lives off of the teat of the government. In other words, providing no value to anybody or anything.

[@trevorwalker33]

Genuine question guys and mark, I hope you see this. I have always had a work ethic. Went to welding school young, been doing great in my career, worked all the way up to doing 12 hour days 7 days a week, now I build nuclear submarines and have been clearing 6 figures for some time.. well while making that, I have gotten my family almost debt free, paid out of pocket for most of my wife’s education and given the wife and kids a beautiful house. We now have young kids approaching school age as she is approaching finishing her masters. We have a small farm, planing to make it much bigger and then to homeschool the kids via standard school teaching and farm work and I’ll teach the kids to work on tractors, take care of animals, do math. Etc etc. we DONT want them in the school system.. however my wife will be making SUBSTANTIALLY more than me after college even at my above average salary now. Would it be wrong to still work on the farm, raise my kids, when it has nothing to do with my lack of work ethic. Mathematically it makes more sense for her to be the “bread winner”. But imm conflicted about my role as the man of the house.

[@Drazha]

“Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged. “And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own? How can you think of saying to your friend, ‘Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,’ when you can’t see past the log in your own eye? Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.”

[@explodedstarmonkey]

Title is a big miss. I'm a stay at home dad who also works from home. I can agree with the general sentiment of this video. Men need purpose beyond family.

[@newbee2262]

you are doing a decent job as pastor, BUT - we cant say God doesnt take them seriously. Most can or cannot be clowns. Not upto us to say who God does or doesn't take seriously. But yes, men are meant to serve, to work (you better build the house and work harder than the mom, rather than just sweeping the floor) Bring a balance of lion and lamb, heart and brain.

[@joshuacrai]

I run a business from home and help homeschool our kids. I sometimes feel I fit into the stay at home dad category….doh! Haha

[@IronSharpensIron127]

Wow, this is going to squish some marshmallows 😂

[@RecalledtoLife]

Do Real Men wear hats with RM logos? Is that how you identify each other?

[@IronSharpensIron127]

@@RecalledtoLife no

[@RecalledtoLife]

@@IronSharpensIron127 Oh, good. Don't have to buy the merch then.

[@NewsChannel-y4g]

*takes off hat with RM logo *discontinues squishing marshmallows

[@IronSharpensIron127]

@@NewsChannel-y4g no

[@Londonhasgone]

What work do u do mate?

[@CountrySingerWannabe]

If you can't tell a SAHM that she doesn't do real work, you can't tell a SAHD that he isn't working. In todays world a woman can sometimes have the higher earning potential.

[@firstlast8258]

Speak for yourself

[@lukebradley-z7h]

it's not too late to take this video down, Mark.

[@kenethsoberano]

Mark does not post videos, manage this account or read the comments.

[@MK-my6ev]

Does this apply to Men who have worked, made enough to retire and focus full time on his family? Define work??? Is looking after a family not considered work? Or should a man keep working to make more and more money and have less time with his family. A FAMILY MAN is a REAL MAN. A REAL Man is born to protect and serve and help. If we spend more time working to make more and more, then we run the risk have ending up with a zero. Either family, money or health. REPENT...it is written

[@KingMethelas]

My dad became a stay at home father when my mother went away to finish her studies. With three kids, she thought she'd never get the time, but he saw a role and filled it until she was done. I looked up to you, Mark.

[@tkordik]

What if I'm a millionaire and don't need to work anymore? Do I still NEED to work?

[@MrNoob-3574z]

GOD just expects someone to be physically active, like if you did your own garden and farm chores, your working hard, obviously for a person to be lazy and do no chores or any work at all, that is a sin!

[@zerosoma33]

I’m sorry your dad left you and you’re a terrible father but you don’t need to take it out on everyone else Mark

[@CDM_Jesus-is-Lord]

Jesus Christ became a curse upon the cross, so that we can move out from under the curse and into the blessing of Abraham, which God blessed In all things.

[@JesusisKing1776]

Bro what? I am team Mark, but dang this sermon ain’t it, bro. If a man is a dead beat playing video games and neglecting his responsibilities…then yes, he’s worthless. Stay at home fathers…that’s hard. I’m a full time SAH mom and work part time…there are some days I would rather be at work than home 😂

[@andreejohnson7454]

💯

[@firstlast8258]

I'm a stay at home son

[@Whynotchannel-jt2ek]

I guess the question is "what is your day job Mark?"

[@kenethsoberano]

You're watching it. And he does not read comment on social media. All his accounts are managed by others. He's too busy working.

[@lamaze2295]

I got paid to take naps while being a contractor for the DOE at one of their sites. We all did, worst job ever then the one I currently have. My current job is not a hard job and beautifully busy work. Problem is listening to the bosses always whine like women, even thou our site is the best in the country for two years in a row. Im seeking an out.

[@jamesvcampbell]

If the shoe does not fit do not try to wear it.

[@RecalledtoLife]

A metaphor from Cinderella. That's not very manly.

[@brandonm9697]

Reading the comments on this video is very troubling. Our country is toast.

[@kenethsoberano]

Yep. Too many snowflakes that can't even comprehend what they read or watch.

[@dawnshipley1243]

Mark 1. You are implying that those who stay at home to take care of a home and children....do not work. Nothing could be further from the truth. 2. I know families who made the choice for the dad to stay home with the kids because the mother had a higher income and better insurance. 3. Not sure God would appreciate you calling His children clowns because you assume they are not working.

[@John3.36]

"I'll make a man outta you.... !"

[@Stall-FedCalves]

"Then to Adam He said, ......“Cursed is the ground for your sake; in TOIL you shall eat of it ALL the days of your life." ~ Genesis 3:17 Retirement is not biblical. Able-bodied men NOT working are NOT in right standing with God. This includes the officers/priesthood/levites most of the time.

[@grammarhammer3817]

Honest question: When was there ever Work in our lifetime before this Curse? It appears the curse he’s referring to is Adam & Eve (Genesis). It appears he’s asking the audience a question we can’t answer.

[@thehouseofhoops]

Nowhere in the Bible is the concept of a man being a stay at home Dad condemned or looked down on. Stay at home Dads do work inside the home. Yes, we are made to work and work is important.

[@dnews9519]

I agree with what you're saying. In fact I don't even like a church that the pastor doesn't have a full-time job through the week. My pastor runs a welding crew Monday through Friday and then preaches on Sunday.

[@zerosoma33]

Every pastor should have a full time job, a full time ministry, and be 100% above reproach 100% of the time. If he’s not, he’s not a real pastor, he’s a fake and God won’t take him seriously.

[@jojojordan5557]

Yep, in our house growing up everyone had to earn their bread. My kids know this too. There's no entitlement. If everyone was actually productive, imagine what society we would have!!!

[@rwren]

Men do not abuse their staff or flock and then NEVER repent or submit to authority. I’m speaking of you Mark.