Stealth Rock - Charizard and Other Victims

[@elilopez6260]

Rocks: *terrorizes fire types for 4 gens* Gen 8: Y'all want some timbs?

[@DenzelDewy]

Volcarona: :)

[@carlotominetti8843]

@@DenzelDewy big bug with dem timbs dawg 😳😳

[@MrZahsome]

Honestly, I feel like Fire Types weren't that strong even before Stealth Rocks so gen 4 just nerfed them harder. Sure some were decent but none really stood out like that aside from probably Charizard. Even Ho-Oh was considered the worst Uber pokemon for a good while. But I'm probably missing something or forgetting someone.

[@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283]

@@MrZahsome Fire was really good in 3rd gen but yeah basically every other gen was bad for fire. Especially gen 1 since fire didn't resist ice.

[@allenkeettikkal3149]

@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 Fire wasn't that great in Gen 3 either. The only OU Fire-Type in the Tier was Moltres, who was formerly UUBL. It was Gen 4 with the introduction of threats such as Infernape and Heatran where Fire became relevant in Competitive.

[@angespice]

Remember when you got stealth rock from roark after sweeping him with your starter and going "wow what a useless move"

[@jaschabull2365]

Yeah, there's not much use for it against the NPCs, who just about never switch apart from maybe a few jugglers.

[@MangoRiko]

Bruh most main line games you barely needed any sort of status move. Running 4 coverage attacking moves got you through most of the story.

[@Dragrath1]

@@MangoRiko This is why I loved the side games like Pokemon XD as well as gen 5 Challenge Mode (if only it had been made available from the start and maintained in later generations) as they made the AI less basic and retarded and that unfortunately even includes most of the in game battle facilities which largely relied on cheap RNG tactics to eventually force the player to fail to Fissure/Sheer Cold etc.

[@cammy649]

Yeah I remembered thinking it was a cool move and then it did nothing

[@EdmacZ]

Mama Diepie Except Stealth Rock actually is useless in the main game. Like Defensive Pokémon and most status moves.

[@Slat3]

Anyone who's ever stepped on a lego with bare feet understands why stealth rock can be a problem.

[@jcwynn4075]

And understand why heavy-duty boots are a great answer!

[@infinitydesu]

Yeah, lego pieces deal 25% damage to me

[@UncleJrueForTue]

@Candido Villanueva Socks reduce it to 25%

[@wowdogememe1541]

I like that feeling

[@ZorotheGallade]

@@michaelmodernsonicfan5341 I fancy myself a Bug type, so RIP me. ...because I'm a programmer.

[@nyxxose]

“How good was Stealth Rocks actually.” “And in this video we’ll be going over these tortured souls.”

[@ethanc.1443]

Surprisingly, they talk more about how Pokemon can still be good with a SR weakness

[@XxDeZZoRxX]

Nyxxose better title for that series for sure lmao

[@Musasensei1674]

unfortunately.....every fire,bug mon got fuc*ed in its debut generation..

[@PeanutTechno]

Sad but true

[@davidegaruti2582]

Unfortunatly , there's no unfortunatly ...

[@tahlialysse]

I'd love to see more content like this on the impact of moves. Even items and abilities, too, honestly.

[@dawsn0w]

Came here to say this

[@StoneWhale2055]

Eviolite and Choice Items would be good

[@lukeblaker8009]

Regenerator tho

[@lorenzo689]

@@dawsn0w x2

[@zuolongow9195]

Yeah like Intimidate

[@Sethsters]

Gen 4-Gen 7 was basically just trying to set up hazards and weather while fighting to keep your opponent from setting up hazards and weather.

[@hippiehippo9030]

I loved using Hippowdon on the Battle Tower, with his Sand Stream.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Gen 5 late meta weath was cancer lmao all weather teams

[@aceclover758]

Gen 5 was cancer for the meta. All it was was water weather being the most viable Gen 5 games were good but the meta was boring

[@ChristochatBTW]

It's better than the stab spamming meta of today

[@aceclover758]

@@ChristochatBTW STAB has always been a thing and a core part in the game like type effectiveness. What you said makes little sense

[@oravlaful]

"and as for vgc, we couldn't find any notable placements for stealth rock at all"

[@TheVoyager4ever]

Underated coment :p

[@ciamosabi]

"UNFORTUNATELY..."

[@ItzMiKeKirbY]

One of the main reasons I play VGC.

[@hephsforge9236]

Stealth rocks: significant in “Competitive Pokemon” and insignificant in “Pokemon Competitive”

[@zaperator4449]

@@hephsforge9236 xD

[@smackjack78]

I’m sure nobody was expecting this. Analyze other moves, Items or abilities, like Weather, Status, U-Turn/Volt Switch, Choice Items, Leftovers, Life Orb, maybe Intimidate, etc. That would be highly entertaining to learn about

[@Dave_The_Musical_Fisherman]

How good were priority moves actually?

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

Bruh, seriously?

[@StellariaEclipse]

I wasn't expecting it to be Stealth Rock, but I was 100% expecting this to be a series

[@That_1_GuyYT]

Add types to that list

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

@@StellariaEclipse passed literally 2 years since the last Spin-Off history meta game

[@1BlueYoshi]

When I saw that Heavy-Duty Boots were added to the game, I was surprised that it hadn't been added like 3 generations sooner. It's such a simple but good concept for a hold item

[@Waffles__x]

My cinderace can thrive now

[@paperwaves6111]

Skydav 17 Mega Char Y can’t hold HDB

[@mr.penguin8301]

Yes, it is an item that has broken Charizard Hater arguments. Oh wait, they don't seem to pay attention to Heavy-Duty Boots because they're stupid.

[@laxusstrauss5945]

Even with the boots zard still RU tho + there is not even the national dex it would probably return to PU if all the other mons were added Actually the boots are great for the

[@megaagentj2248]

luxus strauss the mon that gets the most from it is volcarona I’d say, plus charizard is a decent wall breaker with solar power if you can set up sun

[@kyrudo]

"How BROKEN was Baton Pass ACTUALLY?"

[@kha0ticdud3]

I would love to see more videos like this, taking a break from normal pokemon and all.

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

@@kha0ticdud3 bruh obviously OP

[@emiliolocura2]

Prior to Gen V: Annoying, but not that viable Gen V onwards: Please, please, no.

[@kha0ticdud3]

@@emiliolocura2 actually, in gen 3 those chain teams were actually pretty mainstream

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

@@kha0ticdud3 stealth rocks also counters the constant switching cuz so many people switched too much to get a mon stronger type talking then urs

[@Gamesmarts194]

Therapist: Volcarona wearing boots isn’t real, it can’t hurt you. Thumbnail:

[@jaschabull2365]

At least you aren't the trainer who had to give that item to a scolipede. James Henry Trotter knows the monumental task of having to lace all those boots.

[@empoleonforlife1717]

Me:No you can't just wear boots you don't even have feet Volcarona:Haha boots go brrrrr

[@blackattack1840]

Its the best thumbnail Ive witnessed all year

[@thom9910]

@@jaschabull2365 this comment made my day

[@theskullboy8700]

TIMS!!!!!!!!!

[@davidwilson2916]

We HAVE to get an episode covering Leftovers at some point. It's been such a staple of held items since Gen 2, and has impacted the way stall/wall teams play so heavily, that an episode dedicated to it would be absolutely delightful. Make it happen, FSG!

[@hasoc2023]

Heavy Duty Boots: Exists Stealth Rock: What are those!?

[@Super_Smash_Dude]

I remember that meme :')

[@Dhimo758]

Cringe, you're probably a ledditor

[@LuqmanGGVO]

@@Dhimo758 ledittor

[@kha0ticdud3]

@@Dhimo758l and r are on different sides of the keyboard. You either did that on purpose or you're dumb

[@masstaden3507]

John Wayne Gacy ledditor

[@kryssthianfroynoel8310]

"spikes, toxic spikes, sticky web, and stealth rock" "All of the four entry hazards lived in harmony, until the stealth rock nation attacked"

[@anthonyscott1997]

Nice one

[@xenokeegami]

"Only the defog, master of all four entry hazards, could stop them. But when the meta needed him most, he vanished."

[@knightla1126]

@@xenokeegami or marshadow

[@s-wo8781]

Do people still use Sticky web? I forgot all about that one.

[@Slayer8957]

@@s-wo8781 Its the best one, just so few Pokes get it.

[@ZenoCrasher]

It's insane that just one move completely flipped the metagame for every generation since gen 4

[@flyguyfam3438]

“Unfortunately for stealth rock, a very common answer in Heavy Duty Boots was introduced in gen 8”

[@hiei49]

And thus, it dropped to NU, where it was decent... Oh, wait

[@chunitaiga5575]

Even mons not weak to rocks like zeraora, Dragpult and rotom wash are running it, with some teams having 4mons with HDB

[@gamermanzeake]

@@chunitaiga5575 now correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you couldn't duplicate items in competitive? I'm not in the competitive scene, so I don't know this for sure.

[@Nice_Boy_555]

@@gamermanzeake he could mean on smongon

[@chunitaiga5575]

@@gamermanzeake That's VGC but you know hazards are worthless in VGC

[@TempestMauve]

*To be fair, Stealth Rock wouldn't have been much of a big deal if it wasn't a TM that could be taught to so many Pokemon.*

[@Prodmullefc]

Well it's a TR now so that solved that poblem lel (jk)

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

@@Prodmullefc It didn't at all though. I haven't played SS since isle of Armour and I'm pretty sure I've got at least 50 stealth rock TR's. Edit: never mind I didn't see the JK, you can R/woosh me now.

[@thomaspalmer2828]

@@3.2187_Kilometres r/woooosh

[@enzoforgets9456]

@@3.2187_Kilometres bruh he was joking lel

[@oxcow99]

Stealth rocks could have been a good way to make more people use rock type pokemon. It's a shame that a lot of overused non-rock type mons (ferro, lando, chomp, clef, mamo……) can learn SR.

[@danielribeiro3252]

Now you have to do the other 2 members of the Metagame Trinity: Taunt and Toxic.

[@oscheoroset1298]

Kinda late but I think Scald should also be up there, T. Wave should have a slot too if it wasn't for that accuracy nerf.

[@jordanm.7616]

@@oscheoroset1298 knock off as well

[@loganglenn817]

I would suggest tackle as well

[@vtmagno23]

Forgot U-Turn

[@imdumbbut1681]

VoltTurn is probably more important than Taunt

[@royster90s]

Gen 8: "Whatchu need fam?!" Trainer: "Got me a Stealth Rock issue.." Gen 8: "Say less fam.. I gotcha!" Trainer: "Yooo son.. these the new Timbs!?"

[@thom9910]

Those timbs have saved my big fire moth's ass so many times

[@royster90s]

@@thom9910 for real..Gen 8 came through catering for all our favorite fire mon's needs lol

[@dabuff1319]

My bug Bois are indestructible can't wait for the Guzma rematch in the gen 4 remake where he swags so hard the game crashes.

[@blazesona12]

@@royster90s there's also the small fact ace basiclly bouncess hazards with a signiture move called court change (a normal type'd status move) that basiclly changes which side has which affects on it like rocks and spikes....

[@royster90s]

@@blazesona12 didn't realize that, that's clutch right there!! 😎

[@beydey2647]

Blaziken, Infernape and Emboar: "And that's why we're Fire/Fighting"

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

Ain't workin lol

[@ethanc.1443]

@@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619 It genuinely helps them a lot

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

@@ethanc.1443 stealth rock still removes em 24/100 of their health for being fire types, also stealth rocks counters constant switching

[@rossthemoss6827]

X-Tray Unleashed It only removes 12.5% since fire/fighting is neutral to rock

[@twigz3214]

@@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619 since they're also fighting they lose 12.5%, also all three of them are fine mons, Infernape is a solid mixed attacker, Blaziken has speed boost and Emboar it a decent wallbreaker

[@Rye-Uh]

12:06 "And Starmie was no longer a good OU pokemon." I cry everytime.

[@Specifically333]

for real 😭

[@aberomoa5149]

-Charizard: "I'm finally good on my own..." -Trainer: "What did it cost?" -Charizard: "Over half the PokéDex..."

[@ethanc.1443]

This might be undermining how good Charizard's Megas were

[@oxcow99]

Even with the boots, charizard is not that good… Hope they bring back its mega forms

[@cintronproductions9430]

@@oxcow99 I heard that in RU Zard is the king, especially because of the boots, Defog and the new Scorching Sands. Apparently any RU team not prepared for Zard will get their heads bashed.

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

Rodrigo Braz de Azevedo just hope no one runs a a certain doggo with certain priority move. Boots don’t save you from accelrock.

[@ethanc.1443]

ultimate Recoil Very rarely will you see a Lycanroc in OU

[@blitz379]

It's the first tm you get from a gym leader. Roark was playing a completely different game.

[@PapaNierForReplicant]

Meanwhile Crasher Wake gives you Brine LOL

[@galinhadesempregada8164]

@@PapaNierForReplicant You don't understood the big brain combo. First, you SR, them Zard comes in and you Brine him with the boost. Roark and Crasher Wake were FAR ahead their times...

[@ethanc.1443]

Liliara, A Morangueira I don’t think the TMs were made to combat Charizard especially since it’s not in the Sinnoh Pokedex

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@ethanc.1443 r/whoosh

[@of5606]

@@ethanc.1443 why do you think there are no charizard on the sinnoh dex?

[@lavzy0193]

'How GOOD was Trick Room actually?' Sounds like it would be pretty interesting.

[@axlr8deathpls294]

As a man once said "Don't bring trick room in the trick house"

[@StickyTrap]

Trick room in singles is gimmicky but still threatening like Reuniclus and slowbro have been usign trick room in singles and succeeding but in doubles 1.20.12mins video

[@itsfrankie757]

As someone who loves to use sweepers, Trick Room gives me instant PTSD.

[@hoanganphanle]

@@StickyTrap I think the best trick room abuser in Single should be Necrozma Dusk Mane, consider its excellent defensive typing, stellar attack stats that can be boosted further by Sword Dance, great ability that allows it to withstand multiple super-effective attacks, and overall just be a versatile Pokemon that makes the opponent guess what set it could run with a potentially unexpected Ultra Burst

[@MrBigtank78]

Gen 4 to 7: Stealth Rocks The Pain In Pokémon’s Side’s Gen 8: *Heavy Duty Boots Fits All Sizes!!!* 🥾

[@Smart1529]

Exactly, Sword and Shield were like 'who wants a pair of Timbs' and Charizard and Volcarona were like 'yes please'

[@erikaz1590]

They fit ALL sizes! Big feet! Little feet! Round feet! Claw feet! Have no feet? No problem, they'll still fit!

[@christinefarrell6438]

@@erikaz1590 Many many feet? The boots can multiply!

[@butteredsalmonella]

How can an oven toaster even wear boots lmao

[@christinefarrell6438]

@@butteredsalmonella The boots become those little no skid pads

[@QuagFire101]

On top of all of Gen 8's counters, Cinderace, one of the series's most competitively useful starters in history has a move which can literally switch the places of all screens, spikes, and rocks on the field

[@kha0ticdud3]

Yup. Surprised he didnt cover that, gen 8 ou has a bunch of court change cinderace

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

I remembered when people used Court change Cinderace when it wasn't a gimmick relying on surprise factor to work half the time.

[@rossthemoss6827]

Useful starters - cries in loving gen 2 ;-;

[@kha0ticdud3]

@@rossthemoss6827 cyndaquil is the actual pokegod tho Arceus is just a fraud

[@jackwilson9468]

@@rossthemoss6827 I mean Typhlosion and Meganium are pretty meh but Feraligatr is pretty good, I really hope that if starters get regional variants the gen 2 starts will be the first in line for it or you know give them a mega if that ever comes back.

[@iron2684]

Gen 4 and 5 Charizard - "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven"

[@pedromonteiro2248]

Hahahahahah.... Great!😂😂😂😂

[@gravity1537]

I really hope this series doesnt die like "How Good Was X Type?" These videos are a nice change of pace from the regular videos only talking about a specific pokemon.

[@arnenesbye2420]

This aged well

[@gravity1537]

@@arnenesbye2420 :(

[@riskygaming2941]

Basically The Entire Video: “How Good Was Stealth Rocks Actually?”

[@TheRodlack]

They should have named the video like that and introduce moves to the series

[@itriggerpeople4433]

Yes I'd like to speak to the Stealth Rock manager

[@dangerdave6642]

BEST COMMENT!! lol

[@Sai4651]

Interesting how ever since it’s inception in Gen 4. Gamefreak has been slowly introducing new ways to nerf Stealth Rocks in order to mend their mistake. Gen 5: Magic Bounce Gen 6: Defog Gen 7: Even more Defog Gen 8: An item that ignores Stealth Rocks all together

[@slashdeath9700]

I think gamefreak would probably nerf stealth rocks next gen

[@Smart1529]

Yeah they even made sure that in Gen 5, 6 and 7 is not a TM

[@Sai4651]

@@slashdeath9700 I'm surprised they didn't just ban stealth rock to Uber.

[@beta511ee4]

Magic Coat, in general, was buffed in Gen 5 to reflect hazards.

[@IgnisRex64]

They deleted a bunch of moves from Gen 8 (including Hidden Power, a very popular competitive move) so I'm kind of surprised they didn't just axe stealth rock entirely

[@N12015]

A little detail about gen 8 Charizard: He is literally the face of RU. Heavy duty boots makes him a good offensive defogger and due to scorching hands now has the tools to not being countered by common rock users; an RU team who cannot deal with Zard is a bad team period and again, the rock types in RU are just checks not counters. Funnily enough Fire/Flying was always a good defensive typing but overlooked due to rocks (aside of 3° gen Moltres).

[@beta511ee4]

What does Scorching Hands do? Was it introduced in Isle of Armour?

[@beta511ee4]

Also, why the exception for Gen 3 Moltres?

[@MrMogi-zg2ud]

@@beta511ee4, I think it was a typo and supposed to say Scorching Sands, a new special ground type that has a 30% chance to burn.

[@N12015]

@@beta511ee4 Multiple reasons, all of them explaining some of the reaons why Moltres was the best fire type in Advance OU. First EVs made your typing and resistances more important when considering your bulk. Second, Moltres got Will-O-Wisp due to XD, improving his physical bulk a lot in practice. Third, there was no stealth rocks but up to three layer of spikes, so mons with levitate or flying types had more longevity. Fourth: While Charizard was good in Gen 2 OU, his set was a mix one with belly drum who cuts your bulk in half. Meanwhile Moltres has the same bulk as Zapdos. Don't get me wrong, that bird was mainly used as a special wallbreaker to defeat spike users and most steel types teams tend to have in mass because it had the strongest fire blast in the game, but that defensive utility product of his typing and movepool, alongside that wallbreaking potential, gives it a niche in gen 3.

[@trqsh_can]

@@beta511ee4 Ground-type Scald

[@itriggerpeople4433]

Who would win? Grand flying beasts and terrifying bug creatures that are capable of breathing fire, freezing other strong creatures on site and poisoning them with deathly attacks. or Some minerals.

[@luccanelson768]

*stealthy minerals

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

*Stealthy peddles.

[@openinginawe5518]

*Silent stones

[@cintronproductions9430]

*Floating invisible Legos.

[@larrychilders6599]

* laughs in heavy boots Volcarona

[@rawstmv]

You know its an OP move when they make an entire item to neutralize it.

[@bryanc1772]

Helps with spikes and sticky web as well

[@StarshadowMelody]

I like how Pressure PP stall, is it's own counter.

[@kha0ticdud3]

*p p s t a l l*

[@unknownaccount1729]

If you're going to do this again, how about a move history on the move "U-turn" aka probs the 2nd or 3rd best move in the entire game

[@Gamesmarts194]

U-turn and Volt Switch

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

@@Gamesmarts194 Don't forget Flip turn.

[@AverageDoctor345]

And items like Leftovers or abilities like Intimidate

[@diamonds_realm]

Knock off and scald are probably number 1 and 2 honestly except knock off used to be a joke

[@oxcow99]

The best moves are recover/roost/morning sun/wish lmao

[@sperryyoungerjr.3985]

I always wanted an Ice type version of Stealth Rocks called Stealth Sleet.

[@bradley4615]

I always thought Stealth Vines for grass would be a lot of fun. Since grass is typically such a poor attacking type it would be a lot less immediately suffocating than rocks but would also provide a different flavour since Grass and Rock share no strenghts

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Bradley maybe called cacti spikes

[@keiferfarmer36]

Ice spikes?

[@snekladyrobin]

Ice Peaks

[@NeonWasInUse]

Bradley and maybe Grass Beats rock the Stealth Vines could override stealth rocks? So you can't have 80 Hazards on the field at once.

[@ubermaster1]

Heavy Duty Timbs are my favorite addition to this generation

[@zander_19]

This is genius. While it explains the effect of rocks, it also acts as a pseudo remake for the charizard vid.

[@Keegan006]

I would still like a charizard remake and same for venasaur and blastoice

[@GreatDG]

0:35 The one and only charizard: Are u sure about that

[@voltingmaster5458]

Good thing I went into this video wearing Heavy-Duty Boots.

[@lloydbagby8355]

Love that item

[@enzoforgets9456]

Same bro, i paid 2k for mine tho lol jk

[@AshepEli-YT]

Yea bro I almost took 25% in emotional damage when mentioned Charizard at the start

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I would love a "History of Megas" about the impacts they've had on the meta when introduced, which ones were the best and worst and how the meta has been impacted by their removal.

[@benikujaku4567]

Well‚ it's more interesting to look at each mega individually.

[@thatonekidthatnobodytruste5406]

*cries in mawile*

[@Just_Shade]

The impact of stealth rock was immense I honestly don't understand how moves like baton pass were banned while stealth rock who's completely dominant competitively stands strong The viability of some mons js completely dependent on stealth rock They had to buff defog and basically give it to everything just so people had a chance of countering it There are whole strategies around punishing/preventing your opponent from removing rocks I wait for the day where this completely broken move is finally put to rest Permanently It would make for a much healthier competitive environment

[@azuresea7183]

Bias and spite is why baton pass is banned in smogon and stealth rocks is permitted and because baton pass was pretty much the only viable way to completely stuff any stealth rocks attempts. How? simple ask yourself this: would you really want to risk putting up stealth rocks when you know that just one successful baton pass boost could potentially end your whole team because of wasting a turn to put up stealth rocks which gave your opponent enough time to get off a successful a boosted baton pass? You see smogon rules works only when smogon is not bias, spiteful, or hypocritical and abuse their power to ban certain strategies. it's not the first time their rulings on certain things was complete crap. like banning garchomp why because when they banned garchomp they allowed moxie mance to dominate ou because they disturbed the balance of ou by banning the only surefire counter to moxie mance which was garchomp.🤨🤔🧐

[@azuresea7183]

That's why when players say smogon standards? I say yes except only one baton passer no baton pass smeargle and cannot baton pass to smeargle nor any baton pass recipients on this list: tapu bulu, celesteela, megearna, necrozma, heracross, mega heracross, chespin line, mawile, mega mawile, espeon, manaphy, nor heatran. 🤨🤔🧐

[@Alandus64]

"There is no such thing as free rocks." - Chimpact

[@ufoparty69]

There are free Snickers at your street corner. If you catch my drift

[@adamtideman4953]

Free is the F-word for Chimpact.

[@Dankyjrthethird]

LMAOO Man shoutouts to CTC tho, get em up no matter what

[@yungmuney5903]

Imagine of they added a "Stealth Ice" move?

[@frosty_haze3935]

That will be 10 times more broken

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

Poor Dragonite...

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

In the Smogon what if thread. There was a section dedicated to what if spikes were just ground type stealth rocks, in short it would be awful.

[@frosty_haze3935]

@@3.2187_Kilometres a lot of pokemon have both stealth rock and spikes so it will be easier to stack them if spikes were just ground stealth rock

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

@@3.2187_Kilometres you should have seen the custom metagame that made the Stealth rocks mimic the primary type of whoever used them. Mamoswine, Heatran, Landorus and Swampert were extremely OP there, Ice, Fire, Ground and Water type rocks are absolutely ridiculous.

[@zhongxina1175]

Stealth rock: *exists* Shedinja: my time has come

[@wilhelmtan5301]

stealth rock: the move that has defined each and every metagame since its introduction VGC: am i a joke to you?

[@wx7692]

lmao. its rare to see an original joke in YT comments

[@togakhan1274]

He specifically said singles metagame.

[@wilhelmtan5301]

@@togakhan1274 at first he did not ;) . just making a joke out of that statement only

[@williamdrum9899]

VGC has Rock Slide instead

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

*Stealth Rocks are on the field* Charizard back then: " Why do I hear boss music?" Charizard now: "Hold my Heavy Duty Boots"

[@andrewpenn1145]

Maybe don't hold these boots; he's gonna need him.

[@bestman2670]

First time I see you without a whole lot of likes on a video

[@UltimateVegetto]

Thank god for Heavy-Duty Boots. Favourite item in all of Pokémon now.

[@vitovitovito4927]

trruuuuee

[@elyasshussain5988]

fav item or stealth rock to strwongggg

[@itsfrankie757]

Now if only we had an effective counter to Trick Room... Room Service was a total failure.

[@NanaKyoto]

Who would have thought that gravity defying rocks would leave such a lasting impression?

[@johannesmendoza4078]

I MADE SURE I beat Leon's Charizard with stealth rocks lol

[@larrychilders6599]

Same, I humiliated his team like this

[@PaulSmith-od6dp]

I beat it with sandstorm damage from max rockfall

[@peon9584]

Larry Childers Oh no

[@cintronproductions9430]

I fooking hate Leon's Charizard and Leon himself! I'm always at the Battle Tower, having fun sweeping the teams of creepy cops, deranged artists, bored cameramen and furries in Eevee hoodies, and then Leon shows up and ruins my fun! XD

[@_V.Va_]

Did you know Leon is the Champion?

[@SpaceDetectiveTravis]

*players seeing Stealth Rock in the main story:* "...Yeah, you know I'm just gonna keep attacking right?" *players seeing Stealth Rock in competitive play:* Oh sure, just keep ruining our Pokemon's hope & dreams like this poor fellow here! *points to Charizard crying in the corner*

[@gregorymirabella1423]

it's for that reason that i hate stealth rock. as if ice and bug types didn't have it bad enough.

[@lindajackson8936]

Charizard deserves a weakness.

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@@lindajackson8936 why? charizard was nowhere close to overpowered.

[@XX_CUTECAT_XX]

@@gregorymirabella1423 yea, if a starmie is battling it, gone actually, no ANYTHING not weak to it was good or DEVISATING ok bye:)

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@@XX_CUTECAT_XX yeah, charizard really isn't that good.

[@TheLegacyofHitchcock]

Gamefreak/Nintendo: Acknowledges Charizard as one of the most popular Pokemon in the franchise; giving it 2 Mega evolutions, unveiling its Gigantamax form before Venusaur and Blastoise, giving it a spot in Smash Bros, making it one of Ash’s most powerful and prominent Pokemon in the anime etc. Also GF/Nintendo: Lol you can only switch Charizard in once.

[@ethanc.1443]

Good thing Defog and Rapid Spin exist

[@Ctrybpkm]

Ethan C. That doesn’t change the fact charizard is bad on its own

[@sageblast3143]

@@Ctrybpkm In Gen8 with Scorching Sands and HDB he is pretty good in RU

[@Keegan006]

@Ctrybpkm Gaming well if rocks didn’t exists zard would have had a place in offncive sum team in gen 5 with a scraft solar power set

[@rainpooper7088]

Ethan C. Bad thing Defog didn’t clear Stealth Rocks before Gen 6 and Rapid Spin is a terribly weak move that can be blocked by Ghost-types and is literally only used because of Stealth Rocks.

[@guildmasterri5995]

where are my boots? there is a snake in my boots

[@larrychilders6599]

Volcarona took em

[@charliewhite3905]

I'm in love with the move "court change" it's the best tactical move in the game and puts all the hazards on the opponents side and also gives you their screens. The number of times my cinderace KOed an Lapris using GMax and took its veil is uncountable. The first turn they gmax and I switch into cinderace for not effective damage on gmax resonance then court change the veil tanking the hydro then using bounce and preventing them from using max resonance again. Played like a fiddle every time. Not to mention all the times I've court changed a full set of hazards to the other side completely ending their strats

[@therevolutionary1700]

I've been thinking about this for a while, and now that the door has opened up, How Good Was EARTHQUAKE Actually?

[@רועיכהן-ל1י]

I.e the best offensive move in the game

[@jaschabull2365]

So good it had to be banned from the entire anime metagame.

[@MrIsleNFair]

So good for coverage, added by fact that ground type is SE to 5 moves and only resisted by poor defensive typing (grass and bug) And combinated with sr on field if u wanna avoid it by switch in to flying type it could cost minimally 12.5%

[@harbour08]

Unless you're somebody like me who loves to run doubles and not have a flying or levitated Pokemon all the time.

[@harbour08]

It was too available to too many Pokemon like toxic.

[@therighteously8454]

Opponent: *Sets up stealth rocks* Me sending out Cinderace with heavy duty boots: *I'm about to end this mans whole career* Also me: *uses court change*

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

Opponent *kos cinderace then spins then sets rocks* thank god they decided to sack cinderace just to get rid of rocks was worried about the extra momentum libero provides

[@charlesbrownjr5618]

Everyone else: banded libero cinderace is the truth Me still using boots court change: if it ain't broke, don't fix it, well maybe fix it a little cuz libero is still busted

[@Trollrijas]

Court change sucks hard, they set rocks again and you wasted a moveslot for cinderace

[@Dankyjrthethird]

LMAO this thumbnail def looks like some blunder tier artwork Agency taking over the world i see

[@samwayne8961]

The problem with stealth rocks is that too many pokemon have access to the move. Too many are weak to it. At least spikes and toxic spikes are balanced.

[@J.G.H.]

Yeah honestly of all the moves that probably should go it's that. Everyone's always talking about metagame warping things as reasons for bans, rocks should have been tossed a long time ago. Like Game Freak gets rid of Pursuit and Hidden Power, but not this?

[@andrewwojtas8486]

I took damage after I clicked this link, I should have worn heavy duty boots!

[@ufoparty69]

Put on Sunscreen or you might get skin cancer

[@cintronproductions9430]

@@ufoparty69 What does that have to do with anything? XD

[@iamthestrong927]

@@cintronproductions9430 No, no. He's got a point.

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

Heavy duty boots you mean "Hefty responsibility Wellingtons".

[@bobvella7228]

huh? i didn't. guess my ability is magic guard

[@TopherPhoton]

This was a genuine treat of a video- it explored the effect of a mechanic on the metagame, not just the role of a single pokemon. I would love to watch more

[@ningenslayer6306]

As others have said, videos like this about other moves (along with items and abilities) would be awesome. Off the top of my head, here are a few that O think would be cool to cover: Thunder Wave, U-Turn/Volt Switch, Substitute, Dragon Dance, the other hazards, Will-O-Wisp, Agility, Baton Pass

[@Illidandavid]

Trickroom literally flipped the meta upside down.

[@johnbailey5835]

"Stealth rock brutally cripples pokemon which are weak to rock, dealing 25% damage when switching in" Shedinja: *Literally no noise, but still sad*

[@E4439Qv5]

25% of 1 is 1, apparently...

[@puri-makes-stuff-sometimes]

@@E4439Qv5 Because the damage is rounded and can't be lower than 1, yeah, it is.

[@GlalGamingPanda]

Love this different take on competetive analysis. Individual moves can arguably be just and more important than Pokemon, in many cases access to a single move can make or break a Pokemon's viability.

[@dalec5200]

This is a good series, look forward to more of them.

[@THEGOAT-qc5si]

Heavy Duty Boots: Exists Gen 8 Charizard and Volcarona: Hippity Hoppity u are now my property

[@antoinechevaliers7661]

Charizard isnt played with hdb anymore

[@VimeC]

5:36 The word is "Exacerbated" (made more extreme), not "Exasperated" (which means running something out of patience). Keep up the good work.

[@dreadalex]

Well Stealth Rock should be set by Rock, Ground and Steel Pokemon, how on earth a Blissey can Stealth Rock?

[@beanson2323]

It's blissey.

[@johnnystreet9197]

I like to think that blissey can pull anything out of that sack where it keeps that egg. That why it can use thunder and some fire moves, its got a flamethrower and a tazer/tesla canon.

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

@@johnnystreet9197 so basically bLissey is doraemon of the pokemon world

[@gh0rochi363]

Blissey is a normal type (they learn many types of moves) and it’s a good move for her since she is bulky and can come out first to set up and always come back to be a stall beast.

[@dreadalex]

How can Tauros Thunder, Fire Blast, Blizzard? Anyway it could be better if the stats were boosted but the movepool was limited. And Rock type moves, the problem is the Rock type Pokemon have a limited use because almost any pokemon can learn a Rock type move. Tauros doesn't even have a small veal as a pre evolution. Anyway Chansey well maybe it should go to fairies and not to normal typing since it's egg group it's fairy, so as to have some logic knowing every special move. Anyway normal typing but i think Stealth Rock should be a privilege of Rock type Pokemon only, as also Rock Slide which can be learned almost from every strong physical attacking pokemon.

[@strategist973]

First thing I see is Zapdos wearing Tims like he is from NYC. 10/10 thumbnail

[@DerpySuX]

Fam that ain’t Zapdos lmao

[@Eltipoquevisteayer]

Gen 4: introduces Bug Buzz, X-Scissor and U-turn Bugs: Oh we finally have some available and good enough offensive moves. Gen4: introduces Stealth rocks Bugs: I guess.... most of us will wait

[@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507]

Gen 8: let me take bug bite and other good moves away from our only good bug poke scizor😈

[@erawansoewargo4766]

​@@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507Buzzwole is in gen 8 too

[@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507]

@@erawansoewargo4766 ignoring that trash gen

[@blaym4271]

I love how stealth rock has been blatantly over powered and over centralizing for so long, that people are thinking the one counter to them Heavy duty boots, is in itself Over powered

[@jmanup1985]

Nah it’s overcentralizing for ages. And if you think it isn’t, then why is it that you have to calc and factor in rocks.

[@blaym4271]

@@Ropalme1914 ah that makes sense. Pivoting moves been Broken IMO. I still standby rocks having been an over centralizing force for years tho. I mean it invalidates ENTIRE types, unless the mon is broken like Volc. There needs to be more counterplay to pivot moves in general, something I've thought of would be to have sticky Hold keep the Attacker from switching out after using a pivot move on it.

[@akapbhan]

Spinners became much more common after stealth rock and toxic spikes shenanigans in 4th gen than any other generation. In third gen meta rapid spinners were rare though multiple layers of spkes were annoying it can't hurt you much. Fourth gen almost forced most into picking a spinner

[@Blazecap]

In 6v6 rocks are viable but in my opinion your literally wasting a move slot in battle stadium. Where the battles are 3v3 and this are shorter(I Actually prefer that over somgon

[@kingwailord4143]

​@@akapbhan In gen 2 spinners are extremely common with overused having 4 of them (cloyster, golem, fortress, starmie), with the metagame revolving around spikes, it is important to have a plan to deal with them. about 90% of gen 2 teams feature rapid spin and a significant amount of them carry a ghost type (gengar, misdrevous) to block spin (usually offense teams). In gen 3 rapid spin is a lot less common now that the spike setters can be taken care of with magniton's magnet pull; so teams deal with hazards with ether magniton, rapid spin or heavy offensive pressure).

[@joegreen3802]

Quite an image of trying to put Heavy Duty Boots on a flaming moth XD

[@rasmusdegn9690]

One on the bottom of it and the other on top of its head.

[@joegreen3802]

@@rasmusdegn9690 Because nothing screams terror than a moth with a boot on its head XD

[@rasmusdegn9690]

@@joegreen3802 Indeed. It's more intimidating than most things that actually have Intimidate.

[@papersonic9941]

Like in Fire Emblem, where you give Boots to horses

[@rainpooper7088]

Joe Green „Why does Larry have a show on his head?“

[@antriv531]

The impact of stealth rock. More like the usefulness of having a Rapid Spinner!

[@antoinepowell3197]

Never realised how good it was until recently. When I was little I wondered why a move that did no damage immediately was still used.

[@bradleyd.waters9561]

Stealth Rock: I thought you were dead! Charizard with Heavy Dooty Boots: My death was, greatly exaggerated

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

Accelrock: no your life was

[@Wildcatt1999]

Is that a Megamind reference?

[@sorr3n2]

Boots Zard isn't even that good. If you want use him in comp singles, Specs or LO is better 99% of the time. Boots Zard is a noobtrap

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

boj Villanueva boots makes sun more viable as a whole as sun setters taking extra damage from sun hurts their viability somewhat. To be fair sun is still weaker then sand and rain but at least now it’s comparable.

[@zarahisunstrider2456]

Volcarona “Dead ass B my Tims stomp your Little Rocks.”

[@masterturbo2218]

Stealth rock: i fear no mon, but that thing, *shows heavy duty boots* , it scares me

[@gamefire74]

Yeah I would love a video about the intimidate ability. Over the years, he's referred to it as the best ability in the game and I would like to hear that explained, especially with obviously broken abilities like wonderguard and shadow tag.

[@rainpooper7088]

Wonderguard is only on one Pokémon that will go down in one shot if the ability is bypassed by any means and Shadow Tag is banned everywhere, so they aren’t actually viable. Intimidate is simple, but it works on the Pokémon that have it.

[@owo4288]

Wonder Guard are signature ability for a Shedninja with 1hp, which can easily get killed by using super effective move, hazard, sandstorm and hail. Only Wobbufet get Shadow Tag which can't attack and then Gothielle in Gen 5 which is Untiered without it and Mega Gengar in Gen 6 which later on get banned to Uber. Itimidate drop attack of every opponent pokemon who are currently on the battle and has no good counter except Defiant, Competive, newly buff Inner Focus and Mirror Armor.

[@flashfrozen7401]

This was so interesting. Learning how different attacks have literally forced the very game itself to evolve (pun intended). Please make more!

[@AlvisMonado]

It's weird that when they took Stealth Rocks away from some pokemon from Gen 4 to Gen 5, it was from Pokemon that should actually know it. I saw that Pokemon like Blissey, Miltank, and other squishy pink things still got Stealth Rock, yet stuff like Sandslash and other pretty bad ground and rock types lost access to it. It would be a good chance to spread the usefulness around rather than continue to make the best pokemon keep having the most utility.

[@SrAustria]

Alternate title: "How GREAT is Stealth Rock actually?"

[@alexanderinoa7850]

Lol I’m the type of Trainer who goes “it doesn’t immediately do damage, and is instead a set-up/power up move? DELETE!”

[@hippiehippo9030]

I was too, until a buddy swept my entire level 100 team with a pair of 100 Scythers. Swords Dance and Double Team was scary...

[@stetsonherrick8090]

@@hippiehippo9030 ... Isn't Double Team banned outright, though? Sand Veil and Snow Cloak are allowed since there are conditions to be met, but DT is off limits.

[@hippiehippo9030]

@@stetsonherrick8090 wasnt a tourney. Just two buddies playing.

[@elyasshussain5988]

minimize muk xD

[@GabiteEditz]

For some reason when I have stealth rocks on the other side, the player sends out a charizard with my ttar standing there like, "don't u realize the situation you are in"

[@crazybunnyproductions7287]

I really never got into playing Pokemon, but it's competitive history was always interesting to me. From my perspective, Stealth Rock is OCG Maxx C (A yugioh card) for Pokemon. It's meta defining, provides more advantage than most if not all other in-game options for some reason the entire game is built around its existence instead of banning it outright. I didn't even know Stealth Rocks were type based for the damage either, that blew my mind. Imagine if you used one of the options that let you poison steel-types, and the poison just did no damage, except it's the opposite for Stealth Rocks dealing more damage. It's such an out of place move when compared to the other hazards. I think people need to go on Stealth Rock strike.

[@path6733]

i liked this format alot actually keep it up

[@alvaropinilla8639]

"starmie no longer being a good ou choice" That hurted a lot

Ah yeah, Sneaky Pebbles, truly a Focus Sash user's nightmare.

[@alexdrake4081]

And sturdy users

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

And Shedinja

[@hitkid2456]

Except for leads of course

[@jasonwitt7943]

Really a treat. It’s always great to see BKC flex his knowledge.

[@greyscaleadaven]

I love the new format, keep it up and maybe talk about spikes, the history of rapid spin vs. defog, and baton pass as well?

[@LivingNihilism]

Heavy Duty Boots exists: Volcarona: Its free real estate

[@ryanparrott6866]

I'd love to see more videos like this, especially if they were made to explain a lot of the competitive "common knowledge" that people who only play single player stuff miss out on. I would really like to get into competitive battling, but its hard to find a place to start learning.

[@Thund3rDrag0n12]

I recommend PokeaimMD and MrJamvad. They’ve centered their channels around their vids being accessible to newcomers and Jamvad even wrote 2 books about competitive Pokémon

[@gregorymirabella1423]

U N F O U R T U N A T Y L Y, stealth rock turned out to be far more threatening than i initially thought. also, a history of levitate would be cool.

[@AwesomeHairo]

Title should have been called “How GOOD was Stealth Rocks ACTUALLY”

[@nuke_hazard18_23]

I still remember this as my first FSG video I watched. Im back to rewatch since its been a while. I just gotta salute to the video that put this channel in my sub box :)

[@curtisbreillat666]

What about history of items? Like the life orb or the choice band or the legendary oran berry. I think that would be a good idea. Not the oran berry obviously, but it would make for a good April fools joke

[@bridgeseller7004]

Don't forget that Oran berry was once known as... Berry.

[@PaulSmith-od6dp]

Oran berry endeavour blissey?

[@blowyourmindscientist6497]

Damn, 2 crits, I didn't endeavor.

[@rajt9996]

@ARTEM DORDZHIEV to whom? *L I Z A R D*

[@GoldStorm07]

Altering Stealth Rock to deal damage based on whether an opponent is airborne (Flying, Levitate or otherwise) sounds healthier than basing it just on type, and also fits it better as a complement to the other entry hazards that don't work on airborne Pokémon.

[@hatterene3337]

i really love how chill this video is it's different from your normal videos but in a good way

[@lunatear6455]

Alright guys, imagine Stealth Rock but Ice Types. The catch is this move is mostly exclusive to Ice-Type Pokemon instead. Unlike current stealth rock that can be learned by many non-Rock/Ground/Steel Pokemon. How far Flygon and other dragon will fall tumbling down to the lower tier?

[@Alias_Anybody]

And then a grass-type paralyzing one pushing Flygon straight back into the highest tiers.

[@gravity1537]

Because that's what the Dragons need, more bruises.

[@jetnyan2348]

it would be balanced because ice is bad, so it would make ice decent

[@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507]

Fairy and Steel are more abusive at this point, making fairy strong to bug was retarded

[@Arkantos1900]

This kills the Landorus

[@MissAshley42]

Stealth Rock annoys me on so many levels. It's significantly more devastating than other entry hazards for significantly less investment, and it's damage being affected by type puts it wildly out of step with them. It has broad distribution. Gamefreak apparently relies on its existence as an excuse to design overpowered Pokémon. It's the only entry hazard in the Let's Go games, and there are no moves there to clear them. And finally, from a thematic perspective, invisible floating rock shards are just plain silly. Stealth Rock is a grand slam of awful design that's tolerated more than it's liked.

[@GoldenSunAlex]

It's more that official comp is always doubles, and they focus design around that. Hazards are almost nonexistant in VGC rules, as it's 2v2 with 4 Pokémon.

[@AgentLando]

Sticky webs is better

[@toadsagejacob7896]

@@AgentLando Explain how Sticky Web is better when Boots, Flying Types, Levitaters, Trick Room, and naturally slow Pokémon who don't care exist?

[@tylermorrison6335]

I really like this video because it gives a good overview of a generation's meta that a single focused video doesn't always do. Would love to see more move analysis like this!

[@ExperimenturalVideos]

Honestly I deeply need fanart of Volcarona wearing boots