Stellaris 1.0 - Was The 2016 Release Any Good?

[@sparrow9663]

i just want to point out, EP3O did this first. Also, god I miss tiles. Out of all of the old things from 1.0, tiles are what I miss the most. They made each planet unique, and it made sense for specific areas of a planet to give bonuses, and for planets to only be able to hold as many pops as its space makes so much sense.

[@A_Spec]

Actually, EP3O is a poser, who didn't play Stellaris till 2.0, I on the other hand, played it at launch and did videos on it.

[@MontuPlays]

Ep3o? Who is that?

[@Ep3o]

@@A_Spec who even are you

[@Ep3o]

Too true, Montu literally has no originality these days. Reading dev diaries and stealing content smh

[@A_Spec]

@@Ep3o says the guy who didn't even know '''Genie in a Bottle''.

[@Jernsaxe]

Can I just say: It never stops boggling my mind that mining (and research) stations still give output based on 1.0 numbers...

[@MontuPlays]

Yeah, science outputs haven't really scaled much either!

[@Exakan]

@@MontuPlays Bigger problem is actually the power creep. Numbers increase in each patch, which is just snowballing more and more each patch.

[@aliski768]

@@Exakan and that means.. better PC, and that means CAN'T PLAY THE GAME.

[@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999]

@@Exakan i didnt think there'd be powerscaling issues in stellaris... and I never felt it this way either.

[@Grothgerek]

@@aliski768 Actually not. Bigger numbers doesn't increase the workload of your PC. The problems are just simulations like Pops.

[@raymondcoventry1221]

The only thing I really miss from release is being able to place defense platforms manually. You could make such cool looking patterns.

[@joshwenn989]

And minefields too!

[@Simba436]

I miss the warp drive technology 😢

[@raymondcoventry1221]

@@joshwenn989 yessss! I loved setting a trap for Fallen Empire fleets with massive mine fields

[@siZeDcuBe]

​​@@Simba436 Its back with the new civics

[@Simba436]

@@siZeDcuBe They still have a cooldown of 200 days.

[@Lethoras]

The only thing I really miss is having different FTL techs. Made for some interesting asymmetrical warfare scenarios

[@Sir_Lagg_A_Lot]

I miss some of the ship sections that were removed, and being able to put point defense on small slots.

[@anteep4900]

Damn right, wormhole master race

[@MaxRavenclaw]

@@anteep4900 I remember being a huge fan of wormholes too. I stopped playing around when they removed them in favour of all hyperspace.

[@eewweeppkk]

It was unfortunate, wormhole was basically objectively better than the other 2 and I believe helped you get to the tech that allowed cross galaxy wormholing faster; there really wasn't a reason not to pick it as the advantages were way bigger. On the other hand, I played many campaigns where I set the only FTL available to hyperlanes because I liked the idea of actually needing to defend a system and not just have turtle warmongers jump to my capital.

[@danielboatright8887]

Warp was super fun, too.

[@adenrius]

Funny how I remember most of those things, having played a lot of Stellaris in 2016. It definitely feels like a different game now. I feel like most things are better, but I miss government types, it was great for roleplay.

[@adenrius]

10:48 Oh yes! Colonisation was so expensive back then, even today I tend not to colonize a lot of planets at the same time, even though the cost is trivial now I believe?

[@Mike__B]

It is a different game, while the basics are there, there are some things that I miss. I do like that the space travel bit was simplified but you still can go back to those other types with appropriate tech. I do miss that more simplistic planet part, while the overall look of planets does look nicer I think they went a little overboard in adding complications to it e.g. ammenities, consumer goods, alloys, etc.

[@ASlickNamedPimpback]

they still do technically exist, you just can't manually assign them, and there are no bonuses

[@yoga5631]

I mean those still exist just bounded by civics now

[@purpledrinkFTW]

I liked how u could actually have contested systems. It got messy in a good way in multiplayer when u and another player or two had planets in the same system. Defs thing I miss plus the fact their was less pops.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

This is one of the systems I also enjoy.

[@duncanharrell5009]

Makes interstellar geopolitics between empires feel more believable and interesting. Actually contested territory that can be the straw to outbreak of war.

[@ursulcx299]

The thing I miss the most about that is the primitive growing into their own empire and having only one planet instead of stealing your whole system.

[@captdude81]

Watching this makes me feel like we're playing a sequel now. I do miss some of the older features, and war seemed to be much more of a back and forth struggle, rather than the dogpile we have now, but the game is in a far better state than it was at release. Also I can clearly see why fleet caps were fine then, that are just straight up antiquated with what we have now.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

Definitely

[@thorin1045]

yep, at the 2.0 (if i recall it correctly) they literally just changed it into a different game, practically we got a free sequel at that point, at the cost of no longer supported original at year two or so.

[@Xaphnir]

I don't think there were fleet caps until 2.0.

[@smoon628]

Those starting weapons and FTL methods are so nostalgic

[@DarthMad87]

If I remember well, the robot uprising was an end game crisis in 1.0. End game crisis definitely was in 1.0, I still remember my first one, the Unbidden.

[@B-...]

You're right. There were 3 crisis. 2 occurred based off tech, otherwise the praethoryns appeared.

[@TheContingency25x]

Then the contingency replaced the robot uprising which ended up being turned into an optional mid game crisis.

[@fluets5658]

@@TheContingency25x Emphasis on the optional, given how easy it is to avoid.

[@ApofKol]

I also got the Unbidden as my first crysis. I got utterly destroyed and developed crisisphobia

[@theonesithtorulethemall]

​@@B-...oh yeah, i renember the robot uprising being super easy, and actively trying to get the prethorians (thr hardest) only for all effort to be weisted becours of somr capitalist empire where we beat the robotd befor they took a second planet

[@dominicfryman436]

I took a long break from Stellaris and came back to it later when everything changed. Surprisingly, one of the most surprising things for me was colony ships not killing your energy production

[@ahorribleperson3302]

Oh god they used to tank it so badly back in the day

[@cstains5543]

Loved the old multiple defense platforms in trap systems.

[@michaelthayer5351]

The only thing I miss is that pops would spawn those militia armies when the planet was invaded, I definitely feel like that should be brought back, at least if purifiers or the like invade because it doesn't feel right that the populace just lines up nicely to be turned into batteries after my armies landed with zero resistance.

[@silverseth7]

That conversation goes pretty well, but I think when the purifiers arrive in system you get a smattering of fighters from people who will strap guns to racers to fly at the enemy. Converted cargo haulers firing lower tier guns. Just people willing to let their last action be a blackeye to the enemy. With a small chance to spawn under an admiral/general with solid perks.

[@Zorro9129]

@@silverseth7 Or even suicide ships as a last-ditch measure to deal as much damage as you can though it reduces the economic output. Maybe you need fanatic spiritualist for that to happen.

[@EnchoIndieStudio]

Those were the days... I loved the different FTL travel types

[@zacharybecker8228]

I miss the tiles, the multiple ftl, the different government types, the placement of defensive platforms, the old border system(which would have been a nice way to use influence or unity to increase border size as potentially taking territory without fighting), also the space station being around the planet always looked better and made more sense

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

Agree with the space station location and space battles were quite nice in comparison

[@XMysticHerox]

Yeah. I feel like they tried to address the right issues but just kinda gave up and simplified everything rather than actually fixing it.

[@evoluxman9935]

Exactly what I was about to write

[@hafor2846]

Multiple FTL sucked ass. A few thousand AI fleets sieging all of your planets at once just sucked.

[@zacharybecker8228]

@@hafor2846 ok you didnt have to use it there was an option to force everyone to one type

[@wrongthinker843]

It still boggles my mind that they looked at a game that chugged by the endgame with 25 a planet pop limit, and said "we really need a few hundred pops per planet".

[@Stforv]

And there were no performance issues in the late game back then..

[@whitegoose2017]

@@Gustav_Kuriga It only chugged when you introduced a bunch of mods to the game that made every planet type habitable. The AI machine intelligence always colonized everything. They had hundreds of planets colonized and 7000 pops.

[@andrefasching1332]

i still like the new pop system more. having countless 25 pop planets got boring as you simply filled them up. With the new system i can have 200 pops on a planet and having it be a critical part of my economy. If i loose it il die. It is of course protected by several fortressworld that also serve as breeding grounds for new pops. the fact that i can stash 800 xenos set on purge onto one prison planet and profit from the absurd bonuses it gives is also neat. simply gives a feeling of variety

[@andrefasching1332]

@@Gustav_Kuriga Dont put words in my mouth if you want to discuss the topic with me, okay? i think thats pretty disrespectful of you To answer the only thing in your comment that can be regarded as a question. No i do not enjoy exploits in regular games. They can be funny but i rather enjoy the features the game offers that go without extensive manipulation of the mechanics the other part of your "question" is insulting. You can answer that yourself. Im not your tool you can bombard with questions that only allow one answer in order for you to feel better about yourself

[@wrongthinker843]

@@andrefasching1332 Everything Stellaris does, could be done with an approximated per planet system, offering no more than 5% reduced simulation accuracy and massively better performance and easier management for the player (and AI, which isn't too good at it).

[@FemtoKitten]

You're right on AI rebellions not being in the game in 1.0, you're wrong on there not being a cirsis though. The AI rebellion you faced *was* the crisis, but it got removed and replaced with the contingency and the ai rebellions you know and love today. -signed by someone whos first galaxy shortly after game launch was eaten by the prethoryians

[@peterh9110]

Would love to see a series showing each of the major updates, 1.1, 1.2, etc so we can see how the game progressed over the years.

[@smokinggnu6584]

The date is 9th of may and the world had not yet gone completely irrevocably insane.

[@ulfjohnsen6203]

Things I miss: - armour as damage reduction - Choice of FTL - Being able to reach the endgame

[@alexwilliams8365]

Battleships used to be so powerful. I remember that I almost never went to war before getting them because they chewed through star bases

[@S3Cs4uN8]

And yet they were the most cost-inefficient option in the game, thank god the 2.0 update killed the Naked Corvette Meta.

[@TheImperialSenate]

Tachyon lance battleship spam was so funny to see

[@gokercakr693]

@@S3Cs4uN8 the famous vette spam

[@S3Cs4uN8]

@@TheImperialSenate Nah, you had to be there for Tachyon Lance destroyers.

[@Devinci297]

It's crazy to think about but I'm still maintaining the Stellaris mod I made at the end of May 2016! Just updated it to 3.8 a few days ago!

[@android175]

Whats the mod im curious!

[@Devinci297]

@@android175 Logh Stellar

[@xveers]

@@Devinci297 Liberty stands for freedom...

[@gogoshell6553]

I miss that I remember when people and AI was able to share one system together and have there own fleets and stations above there planets

[@ratzfatz6880]

I remember having that the Adaptability-traditions gave the farms +1 minerals. So I made sure to place my farms properly, tiles with two values and adjacency bonus of the capital building, to sky rocket my mineral production massively. Also overpopulation was not a concern. Such good times.

[@MATEWZZ1]

The thing I miss the most is being able to choose who does what job, instead of just hoping the right pop takes it, or doing some micromanaging

[@geraldford9967]

I miss tiles, the best feature of that build IMO.

[@chrispappa704]

I didn't, was too much micromanagement for my tastes

[@geraldford9967]

@@chrispappa704 It was a lot of micro but since they removed it a lot of features that relied on it just became boring bs such as slavery, genetic modification and so on. I'd collect pops with different fetures to do specific jobs. Needed more "staff" for my mining tiles thnk Id go invade a race that specialised int hat skill and redistro their pops. Now its all so abstract you cant even be sure that kinda stuff is even worth doing, you just end up confining races to tiers of job rather than the job themselves which is a huge nerf to those abilities. You can kinda do it on a planetary basis now by specialising worlds which ends up being just as much micro and with the softcaps being particularly harsh on playing wide these days unless youve got habitable planets cranked way up half the time you end up with a bunch where all you can do if you want to specialise is mine across your whole empire especially early game. New system just sucks IMO tiles was way better.

[@unitedfront9717]

Also it wasnt even as much micro as you could the ai manage sectors for you so actually it was very simple

[@ASTMVN]

I personally miss the tile system and the ftl methods, but the systems we have now are good as well. Personally I just wish it was a toggleable option instead of needing to go into a seperate version of the game.

[@Stforv]

Well, the number of pops in the galaxy is still #1 reason of performance dropping in the late game..

[@Demortra]

I remember the reason they only had hyper lane FTL was because no one wanted to deal with multiple types of FTL, I forget the exact number but a good majority of games were played with only hyper lanes.

[@CrazyDutchguys]

@@Demortra I think that was a good decision. It makes war a little bit less of a mess, choke points actually mean something with hyperlanes.

[@lukeb1663]

@@CrazyDutchguys I agree that wars are a lot less messy, but I still think I would’ve preferred the game to keep multiple FTL types as an option. Tbh I’m not really all that big of a fan of the state of the game currently. It just feels like a generic space game with more complicated resource mechanics. The old game felt like EU4 but space which I think is better.

[@amazingronaldo9656]

I miss the pop tile system. The adjacency bonuses and you could move your pops around to any open tile to change up your production. And I could tell back then where I would need a Betharian Power Plant by looking at the resources on the planet tiles with but a moment's glance. It was a fun system. Not that I dislike the current system but it was different and pretty fun to me. I totally forgot about trap systems!! Haha

[@babstra55]

now every time I get betharian I get a minidepression over how great they used to be.

[@ZanTheFox]

I enjoyed it, personally and the old defense system building was honestly superior. Edit: And the FTL methods. Oh my gosh I loved having different FTL methods. 1.0 was a much more vibrant universe

[@yoshimeier3060]

This game feels so much closer to Masters of Orion. Which is probably a major inspiration too. Crazy to see hoe it evolved into its own genre.

[@laward5225]

Exactly what I was thinking seeing the gameplay again after so many years. Ship designing more around balancing power, space, and stats than set slots you have to fill, simple low number population management, and I'm reminded why I detest hyperlane restriction design in more modern space games.

[@dmitrykargin4060]

More like reasonable rethinking of “sword of the stars”.

[@aarondubois6162]

this amount of nostalgia physically hurt a little. when tiles made things easier and could min/max planets and then stop micro managing them once they were fully populated. when terraforming reaquired building a station around the planet. placeable defense platforms. warp travel. the original doom stacks. so many things to miss.

[@Nightslaver]

Oh man, that memories on 1.0 Version of Stellaris. PDX had so many good and cool ideas at release and so many of them was canceled with a red pencil, in all that years. For example i miss the wormhole FTL, that tile system and the limited population, which would help performance in actual version of Stellaris so much today...

[@johndonker319]

I started at 1.6 but a lot of it is familiar from back then. The two empires in a system was fun and there was also a lot of weirdness with systems falling out of your empire because of someone having more influence (forget how sphere of influence was called). The sectorial splitter factions seems like something that would be fun to have back.

[@Notlordstark]

I do admittedly miss the tile days. Gestalt consciousnesses were still super OP and purging the galaxy of organic life was easy 😭

[@MontuPlays]

Gestalt? Not in 2016 I'm afraid!

[@Notlordstark]

@@MontuPlays you’re right, this is even more ancient 😂

[@baseupp12]

Tiles were great for the biological ascension path, i wish stellaris would give us an option to either play with tiles or play with the current worlds, would be a nice feature

[@tzeneth]

Tiles were also great for robots. You could actually create machines specific to tasks and then assign them to be built based on those tasks. Now I just create a generic template that does its best because there's no point in dealing with that level of micro.

[@h4nzman118]

@@tzeneth Thats one thing i dont understand that they still keep this automatic pop job assignment. They actually created a stupid traditions around it to make pops demote faster.

[@not_even_known_yet3167]

@@h4nzman118 and a civic as well.

[@tucker433]

They should bring tiles back for districts and allow buildings to be built on top of city/capital/other appropriate districts

[@andrefasching1332]

​@@h4nzman118 i dont get what your problem is? pop promotion/demotion makes sense and having this process faster is convinient when you often resettle pops

[@fredrickvonstien861]

I'm going to play 1.0 again to see if the lag isn't as bad for the popp tyle system compared to what we have now. Don't get me wrong I love the new system it's just dreadfully laggy mid to late game for me. I could be wrong so I'm going to retry it.

[@thorin1045]

much less lag, each planet had only 25 pop max, instead of over hundred. also the game had much less stuff in it general, so less stuff to churn for the ai. and most fleets are smaller also, so less stuff to move and think. no senate and federations either, and maybe a few other stuff that burned your computer.

[@rkeykey]

They really should change pop system to victoria pops, so they change just numbers as they grow. RN game treat them individualy when calculates thier ethic shift chance

[@TheCool_Guy23]

​@@thorin1045 for me, it feels the opposite. The game is WAY better with lag now than it was before. Before, in the endgame, my game would constantly crash due to late game lag

[@j_fab3673]

The main problem with old stellaris was fleet pathing caused much more lag than it does now. Current stellaris is a mix of pops and fleet pathing, but old stellaris had 3 FTL types contributing to the issue

[@S3Cs4uN8]

@@j_fab3673 You could physically feel the lag in lategame wormhole-only galaxies.

[@MrParadux]

The governments which gave you the ability to build a super ship or a super defensive stations were wild.

[@thorin1045]

ah yes, the game that actually had exploration for that 4x fun, and not just say here, this is your explored starting position, start expand from day one. oh, and unless you went with the hyperlanes, also no chance to be boxed in by other empires, giving the slight feeling of actual space, instead of a more 2d like map than what you have in civilization.

[@ruukinen]

I mean it makes sense that you'd know at least your neighbouring star systems. You still explore beyond them.

[@cewla3348]

@@ruukinen no it doesnt this is pre-ftl

[@ruukinen]

@@cewla3348 Humans are pre-ftl and we know quite a bit about our neighbouring star system Andromeda. The species you play in Stellaris is at least hundreds of years more advanced.

[@AndrewBezdenezhnykh]

@@ruukinen i know it's kinda late but Andromeda is another galaxy

[@tommygannett3217]

@@AndrewBezdenezhnykhthat’s actually hilarious but he’s still right for example Alpha Centauri

[@Mike__B]

Ah yes nostalgia, I remember getting hooked to this genre (real time 4x space) with games like StarDrive and Distant Worlds. I do have to say I was more into the more simplistic planet management, I think it was switched around the time of the Megacorp DLC where they introduced a galactic economy

[@CzarnyBonek]

Well when it comes to showcasing how good the game used to be, then 1.8 is the patch to do it. This one along 2.1 were my favourite ones, peak polished forms of the game before paradox went with the rabbit hole of "we forced the pop system, pop system lags game, we fix lag, so we can complicate the system, more lag created, we fix lag..." Argubly the best thing about the tile system that is still missing to this day is the ease and efficiency of gene modding, since you could just pick which tiles you wanted your modded pops to work (same with robots)..

[@giancarlocafaro6734]

Right?!? Like why can’t I tell my pop where I want it to work. Gene modding now feels like a roll of the dice…

[@andrefasching1332]

​@@giancarlocafaro6734 how is it a roll of the dice? you simply dont micromanage as much I usually terraform every planet into the prefered typ and play with one species that i simply engineer to perfection or have differenc species work on different planets...regarding of stance on xenos

[@AustralianGrizzly]

For me, this is what I miss... 1: Tiled Planets/Adjacency Bonuses. Would love it if we could build our Districts and Buildings onto a tiled system, Pops are always their own thing and they can easily fill up as they do now. 2: Star Ports/Bases over Planets. Was playing a Payback scenario, my fleet was hanging around the Starbase, and the Debtcollectors came. From the other side of the system near my planet. Which apparently was out of range for detection by my fleet and my station. They sat there while my Homeworld was once again invaded and everyone on the planet taken away. With the ability to build a Space Port over our planets, they were protected at the very least... 3: Defence Platform Placement. Pretty Patterns. Clustered at Ingression Points. There was so much you could do as wall with the abiltiy to choose where they spawn....

[@tristanmann3759]

I do miss the tile system. It was just so intuitive and easy to understand, and getting the adjacency bonuses always encouraged planning ahead on every planet. It truly felt like a whole little mini game with how it played out, one that you could "complete" and then move onto the next world, and only really having to come back whenever you unlocked a new building. Sure the system we have now is pretty good, but I kind of liked looking back on my completed worlds later in the game for a good sense of accomplishment. I almost hope for a mod to bring back the tile system, but with how complicated everything has gotten I don't think it possible now.

[@Doktorwh0]

It was really fun until you 20+ planets that you had to waste a bunch of time repeating the same optimal layouts. It's not quite as fun once you've found the meta.

[@Keyoke200]

I also don't miss the tiles. The AI was also terrible at using them correctly, so I always wanted to manually control everything which just ended up tedious.

[@ocignath3221]

Different ftl types, sectors actually worked, less lag, a lot more resources(Orillium etc) good old times

[@jemal999]

Fun Fact : Stellaris was released just before the timeline divergence. Harambe died 19 days after the release of Stellaris.

[@hm5y]

i loved the old traveling forms, it made each civ unique

[@Xaphnir]

That AI revolt is the crisis. It was replaced with the Contingency with the release of Synthetic Dawn in 1.8.

[@MyRedHulk]

Amazing video, Montu. I got into Stellaris starting at 2.6 I believe. The game has changed much since then, but it looks like it's changed a WHOLE lot more from 1.0 to then. Some words of wisdom, by Montu: "I don't think happiness is really all that important." "Aww, I quite enjoyed that research station." "As ever though, I completely hate farmers." "We're gonna win, even though I'm incompetent!" "I'm hopeful, that I can quickly destroy this planet. Take it, I mean..." "It's a beautiful plan, I promise it will work... probably..." "We're just gonna jump in, havin' a good time, y'know, havin' a good time, we're just gonna HARASS" "Th-this war will be different, mainly cause I'm hoping to win it." "Wait what? We're at war? I don't want to be at war! How can we give up this war?" "Oh, the robots are dying." "GIVE ME ORBITAL MIND LASERS" "Nothing bad's happened yet... except, well, I mean, lots of people have died. But that's kind of helped our economy actually" "And yet another victory against the... whoever these people are."

[@liquidcyanide8208]

I like this. You should do a series where you go through every major patch and play a game in that version. Expansions included.

[@bunkermanbunkerman9724]

i also switch versions sometimes, though usually i go for 1.9 or 2.1 instead of 1.0, really wish there was a middle version between 2.1 and 2.2 where we would have the resource system from the newer versions but with the buildings being built on the tiles of the old, that always was and still is the thing id love stellaris to become, but sadly it seems i am in a very small minority with that

[@mememachine5495]

Oh boy, I remember the tile system, and the performance hit when they changed it to the current style and the gradual climb with optimizations but I still feel sluggish late game. Also naked corvettes op!

[@marcinmos99]

I'd love to see you play some Stellaris 2.1.3, it was the last patch with tiles instead of districts and is still one of my favourite versions of the game

[@DontKnow-hr5my]

What i really like about the Tile System is just that it makes the Pops and Planets feel more "connected" to the Player. Like seeing these tiles and where the buildings stand is nice. I'd love to have more Visual Pieces of Planets

[@PointyHairedJedi]

I remember watching the dev streams before it came out. The Blorg, good times.

[@ChaoticTabris]

Your end game crisis was the AI uprising, it just used to work very differently. It was the only crisis where you were sort of being invaded from within.

[@alexgarrett4673]

Wow, this is nostalgic. I started playing around 1.8, and most of the game then was still pretty similar to this. Also, I do kind of like how the recently added Eager Explorers civic kind of brings back warp travel by letting you start with subspace drives instead of hyperdrives. Would be cool to see something similar for wormhole travel in the future. Having the different types of FTL available in the game was really cool and flavourful, though I understand why they got rid of it.

[@sircloud9923]

I still love 1.0 to this day, especially the pop system.

[@eax2010EA]

Tiles would be so good for performance. Imagine just a pop number from 0 to 1 that acts like a multiplier for the job tile efficiency.

[@BAGELMENSK]

There would be a lot of stuff to overhaul, but I do miss the tile system....

[@redtapecollection3363]

I remember the devs were all saying that with the new pop system they gave us in Megacorp DLC, that the whole thing would be better, run much faster than the old tile system. They fucked up things so hard, that up to this day the lag still can't be fixed. The best Stellaris experience (regarding lag) was the Apolcalypse DLC, just right before the new pop system.

[@Nelthalin]

Aaah the good old days! I did like the tile system and different ftl options. But we have so much more content now and I do understand why the changes where made. Stellaris is quite different these day's. I do like some of the old stuff but overall the current state of the game is offcourse way better.

[@nathanhunt9526]

Didn't start until around early 2018, still recognize most of this. The nostalgia is strong.

[@ASNS117Zero]

Fun fact - I'm fairly sure the tiles system was a port over from the tiles system used in another space 4x franchise called Galactic Civilizations, as the original Stellaris tiles were almost a one for one copy in terms of how they worked in Galactic Civilizations 2.

[@Jess3200]

A cap on population is sorely needed again. I also like the contested systems, multiple travel methods and tiles. I loved the tiles.

[@shaynelowe9604]

You are the best thing I found on KZbin in the last two years. No lie. Thank you for existing.

[@Piroschatz44]

- Look at Master of Orion and watching the buildungs on your planet. Looked great and you or I was able to imagine how these sections worked and interacted. - Look at Imperium Galactica, the buildings on the planet can be placed with strategy for these RTS planet defenses and I was able too see whats going on in this city or planet. - Same I had with Stellaris at release, this tile system was a 1-click too see where the next pop goes and which tile you can priorise. Also these buildings on these tiles let me imagine how a bunch of mineral-drillers worked at these places and how you can connect to another tile for a bonus production. Similar to Elite Dangerous, when you enter a mining area on a planet, was my imagination what happened on a Stellaris planet. This new district system is ok, but i can barely imagine how they look and whats going on in a district. A city district, with 6 apartments....thats literally 1 house....and 1 office job in a house? What is this bureaucrat even doing there?.....We are 9 tenants in this house I live and there is no office in there. Then these open slots to build a building feels, atleast to me, like a 2nd system that doesn´t connect well to the districts..example a generator world with 9 energy-districts and then a Holotheatre in midst of these power generators or was this placed at the other side of the planet? I still prefer the old tile system, it was easy to see and to understand. Also placing defense platforms in an entire system or around a planet....I miss that.

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

The best thing back then or maybe a few patches in, was that the planets were relatively simple while these days I feel like the entire game revolves around those rather than the actual starmap.

[@sanlivia9203]

The thing i love the most is the reference in the game. When you encounter yourself from another dimension portal, and the main reason was the FTL method they used. I like to think that there are people in another dimension playing Stellaris with the others FTL method, and that created a alternative Montu.

[@Balkken]

The thing with tiles was that often you were just better off dedicating planets to a single resource since whatever resources you could gain from the tile bonuses were overshadowed by the flat percentage bonuses you could get from buildings.

[@PlatanKlonolistny]

Tiles! They were cool because I could visually recognize planets. It helps a lot when You roleplay.

[@Xaphnir]

I think one thing I really liked about the old game was how much slower ships in combat moved. With the movement speed ships have now it contributes so much to how fast battles end.

[@sp0ckz0mbi3]

God those tiles are nostalgic

[@Kevbo2040]

Always interesting to see a reminder of what Stellaris was in the past, but I'm happy with the direction its taken and the depth it's gained since then. Some of the things from the old, original version of the game can be fun, but most of it was so insanely unbalanced it's kinda weird to think it was released at all.

[@babstra55]

it would've gained the same depth obviously. AND it would have more ways to strategize planet building and fighting. I don't remember it being even nearly as imbalanced as we now have. also tall was actually competitive.

[@unknow11712]

The only thing i miss of the past, are the sector that are "entity" that use resources and can be taxed . i loved that having realy big territories was inefficent in the resources they gave .

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

I also think the tile system should be used as inspiration for reintegration of blockers and visualization of what your pops are doing. I don't mind the job system but visual info is nice.

[@scrooge-mcduck]

Planetary management was much more intuitive, I wish they do a DLC rework of that, bring back planetary view and invasions that are more than circles killing circles.

[@andrefasching1332]

i agree. even something simply like planetary decisions you could enact while being invaded "muster emergency conscripts" "deploy minefields" "deploy a virus" "evacuate the people" ..and lill easterggs like "all man must serve" "scrapping the barrel" Simply something that lets you sacrifice your population, temporary habitability or hell...even lets you sacrifice the planet. Turning Invasions into a little minigame instead of as you already pointed out, circles killing circles

[@vladmods]

That was fun, Montu. Thanks! :-)

[@connorallen7521]

Now I remember why I have a soft spot for orbital rings and plasma throwers, makes heaps of sense looking back!

[@gyorgypaulovics3173]

I have to say the stone age ameoba part got me dead 😂. Great video man

[@galenwrathweld]

I joined Stellaris in 1.4, this is a MASSIVE but welcome blast from the past. I never thought I'd actually miss some of these mechanics.

[@bsquared9]

Totally saw back to the future intro coming 😂

[@antongrahn1499]

It was so basic back then. Planet tiles meant that once a planet was full of buildings and pops you could leave it alone forever and never think about it again.

[@eternalbrogamer]

there are a lot of things to be said about 1.0, but I will never stop wishing we got the tile system and wormhole stations back purely out of nostalgia

[@LoneRising]

I remember the chaos of wars pre-hyperlanes. You could be hit from any direction.

[@Turamwdd]

And the fact that the AI actually knew how to use the various FTL methods while Paradox thought the various methods were "too diificult" for players.

[@zerohashira]

Wow, despite being there from the start it's crazy seeing how much it REALLY changed. I still miss tiles to this day :(

[@venmis137]

I like most of the new changes, but one thing I do miss was the dynamic borders. I feel like it just makes so much more sense for a space-based game to have a border system like that, whereas the current system is pretty much the same as in most other pdx games.

[@Kasaaz]

I know the early game feels a lot slower compared to the way it is now, but I really miss being able to just let the game run and actually take the time to really think about what it would be likes for this species and all the things going on. These games are usually about the stories we tell ourselves with them. I wouldn't give up what we have now, but sometimes I do wonder if some things have been lost.

[@khatack]

If they made a 1.9 stellaris with features such as origins slapped on and with tweaks to the empire size effects on science and unity and upgradeable habitats, that's the only thing I would play. The only reason I don't play 1.9 anymore is that I've played it so much that there's pretty much nothing left to do that I haven't done already. Man I miss the tiles, the old combat mechanics where armor added damage reduction instead of another health bar (by far the superior system, although it did require rebalancing), I miss not having to worry about advanced resource production, overcrowding and housing and all the other unnecessary hassle, and man do I miss having 3 separate types of FTL travel (again, rebalancing was needed but man I loved having that, it added so much identity to the different playable species). Let's see, take 1.9 and add: Origins Upgradeable Habitats Citadel size defense platforms Ecumenopoli Less restrictive war mechanics, more akin to Civ V with free war declaration and free peace negotiation trade. A Trade system similar to Civ V and VI, but where trade route origins are bound to the planets that produce them, this would also have trade ships flying around making the galaxy feel more alive. Espionage, improved diplomacy and leader systems from the modern versions, with little tweaks and rebalancing. Man, I really wish that Apocalypse and Megacorp never happened and they would've instead kept developing from the 1.9 model of the game.

[@ComradePhoenix]

I actually prefer the 1.0 ground combat to present. I miss having attachments on armies.

[@Elydir]

Tedious as hell to put them on every army.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

@@Elydir Tedious and not worth the effort since the minerals you spent on all those minor attachments could have just made more armies.

[@ComradePhoenix]

@@Elydir Easily fixed, rather than getting rid of them entirely.

[@Elydir]

@@ComradePhoenix Sure, I wouln't mind attachments if we had army templates, like we have ships. Unfortunately, the entire ground combat is an afterthought, and so far PDX is treating it as such.

[@ComradePhoenix]

@@Elydir And so is the modding community, unfortunately.

[@rawrou]

The tile system was what got me into the game, it reminded me so much of master of orion 2 , then they gradually changed it but the change wasn't that abrupt like from MoO2 to MoO3, so while i still like the tile system for nostalgic reason i have to admit that the current system is much more efficient and overall better to the point where going back to the tile system would feel like a huge step backward, even though i liked it.

[@matheusGMN]

I haven't even finished the video yet, but I'm sad to see you've yet to comment on how you could make specialized science buildings! so that you could increase the research that you're most behind on!

[@MrAgent7249]

Used to love the empire creep to acquire territory

[@davidthomason788]

Gah, I miss Wormhole FTL. It was so gloriously OP once it got going. They never would because of balance but they should totally bring back warp and wormhole drives as Archotects.

[@ZeZwede]

it's crazy ghow much stellaris has evolved. it's almost as if we've had 1-2 sequels within the same game when it comes to changes. Always wondered how to go back and play the early version like this.

[@maxrander0101]

i miss being able to have the other forms of FTL travel they opened up so many new options for both defending and attacking and also having the option to ignore the cant jump to an unexplored system with a navy

[@AngelicHunk]

It's cool that factions actually had teeth back then. Wish they'd bring something like that back.

[@Michael-qf5dl]

I remember being hyped some time before the release, after playing extensively CK2 and EU4 about a year before Stellaris release, and remember weeks flying by with stellaris in multiplayer matches. Oh, the nostalgic cringe of how it looks, oh dear. My first empire was Foxes with focus on leaders quality, before I learned that leaders were neglegable and capped at lvl 10, so that empire did not played well. Oh, I remember when mods were unlocking option to play as robots from the get go, that was fun times. I actually was always playing with hyperlanes only after some time, so removal of other options was not an issue, but I do miss a bit for some gameplay features, e.g. rare resources being actually rare, valuable, and even worth fighting for, because now with synthetic generations of them they are not really "rare".

[@jamdonut]

i remember playing back then, i really didnt understand a lot of the systems and i didnt like the game, i came back just after relics dlc and loved it since

[@demonicbunny3po]

Looking at this, I kinda want to see a mod that takes those 1.0 mechanics and combines it with some of the features and mechanics added in the intervening years. Like, bring back the tiles and placing defense platforms, but with the modern leader system or something.

[@MadamLava094]

Oh my god seeing tiered, direct energy/mineral production buildings is a blast back, Im commenting a lot but still its just so interesting

[@MadArtillery]

Ah this is so much NOSTALGIA!!!!! I miss tile planets and I miss the old borders, those were cool and these funky system defence builds mmm. I didn't even remember the spreading ai rebellions! so cool!

[@tobiasschmid6491]

The dynamic borders are so cool!

[@ZeGreatKaiser]

This is very interesting to watch as someone who hasn't played or seen any Stellaris content since release. xD

[@duskyrc1373]

I do miss the different FTL types. And the tiles were fun too, but mostly the FTL.