Stephen A. on MJ and the Bulls’ feud with Isiah Thomas and the Pistons | First Take

Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman react to the latest episodes of "The Last Dance," which highlighted the feud between Michael Jordan, Isiah Thomas and the "Bad Boy" Detroit Pistons.
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[@CdotRey15]

this documentary is SAVING ESPN right now

[@warrenbryant554]

Definitely imagine if this happens now well last year full season this would resurrect basketball

[@1CHOZN7]

Yep!

[@michaelo6161]

NonyaBusiness! I think Jordan wanted it to come out at this time anyways when nobody has anything else to watch besides this. The playoffs would be happening now I don’t think there’d be as much hype about it. I like it but I think Jordan knew what he was doing trying to have us youngins See how he’s the goat

[@gpropho]

As it should... we’re still in quarantine

[@TomestisVivian]

Basically!

[@followingthefire]

Even Jordan said before you succeed, you must first learn to fail

[@whiteplayon]

There has never been one human on the planet that came out of the womb being able to walk right away...Everyone crawls first

[@michaelo6161]

whiteplayon I came out the womb sprinting tho

[@hovondmon]

did he say that he wanted to be in Kazaam too? 😂 (Charles Barkley to Shaq)

[@360conscience]

A story lebron and shaq knows 2 well.

[@alexanderpanayi7212]

Agreed. Very true.

[@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO.]

This was the definition of a rivalry. Real hatred and bad blood between both teams. Up there with Red Sox / Yankees.

[@jjjjwjwjwjwjwjwjwjww]

Lebron would never

[@NK-iw6rq]

Love that they didn't shake hands. Everyone hugs eachother now the league is soft.

[@yvans.]

Bill Newman bro I don’t even like lebron but you guys always seem to talk about this dude 😂

[@leftbenchplayaa]

Late 90s early 2000s Red Sox Yankees rivalry might be the greatest rivalry of all time considering the history and stakes...

[@jblaze600]

It was a good rivalry but the Yanks and Sox goes back generations. Bulls/Pistons rivalry died when the Bulls got pass them.

[@AriSafari293]

Hey man some ppl just don’t like each other , it’s just the way it is.

[@StunnersSquadEnt]

👏

[@Jay_Dott]

Exactly people don't HAVE to like each other

[@Rulas29]

SIMPLE

[@nickatnite16]

Exactly!

[@kimt4452]

Simple but facts

[@alphatrusbensiii8381]

Jordan literately said: “we wasn’t tough enough to deal with the physicality “ But let’s go with Max neglecting the context of that Jordan & the Bulls provided themselves

[@JasenMinus]

Yeahh because they literally weren't strong enough. Jordan literally said "in tired of getting beat up" They didn't NEED the Pistons. He just NEEDED help.

[@at2818]

@@JasenMinus We'll never know if they didnt NEED them, but before he got beat up by the pistons, he didnt even hit the weights lol. no other team had the "jordan rules"

[@kingparks4377]

They always going to make excuses for MJ.

[@joshjones9749]

Honestly...they're both right in a sense. Did the Pistons transform Jordan? Yes. Did Jordan have much help? That's a no lol

[@maninblack9850]

A T The Jordan rules existed because there was no one else on the Bulls they needed to shut down. Before Pippen, if you shutdown Jordan, the Bulls couldnt beat you. Period.

[@Jam2tech]

Isiah Thomas beat Jordan, Bird, and Magic . Throw that respect on his name

[@randomdude2971]

MrSCOPACINO bro your hatin on Isiah

[@alansjf33]

DigitalBreaded amen

[@ode2491]

Randomdude29 isiah a dirtbag

[@alansjf33]

Owen Desocio I love Jordan as a player but you blind Jordan fans who suck up everything he says , kill me.

[@Kairi420]

you forgot Dr J and Kareem

[@MT-eo5vy]

One of the greatest rivalries in SPORTS.

[@aavila936]

Every time I see Max Kellerman all I hear is “I want Igoudala” 😂😂

[@sideshowbob1524]

😂💀

[@GameTime-yj6qv]

With the fate of the universe on the line!

[@jow8480]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Andy-vx7xf]

i 100% agree with max on that, id rather have iggy take the game winner over steph.

[@Clips_36]

Max out here watching clips on youtube instead of spending 50 mins of his time and watching the documentary, every great player has had challenges in order to reach the top

[@ricog4192]

Based on what I saw in the documentary, the Pistons pushed Jordan into becoming a better all around player, allowing him to get his teammates involve, which then allowed Scottie to blossom into an All-Star.

[@bloody_outlaw8000]

he was the league mvp.. scoring champ and dpoy before the jordan rules ..how was he a better all around player ? jordan from 88 to 90 was as good as 91-93 jordan..he just didnt have the same help..pippen was on the bench in 88

[@dusttaker]

Exactly! And yet all they talk about is not shaking hands with them rather than thanking them for all the lessons they gave them which proved very valuable going forward.

[@KillaSin515]

I think Phil Jackson bringing the triangle offense had to do more in making his teammates better than anything the Pistons did. Also, being zen and not letting the Pistons dirty plays get to him helped. Again. all that brought by Phil Jackson. Jordan got bigger and stronger not to take the punishment from the Piston but to punish the Pistons. He said it. Also, what lessons? To be a dirty player?

[@ricog4192]

@@KillaSin515 I agree but Phil used the Bull's struggles against the Pistons to convince Michael to being more open using the triangle

[@gerardoarambula4377]

He never passed the ball once he did n trusted his teammates.. he began to win but he was Russell Westbrook before Russell Westbrook

[@aziahgreen3345]

can we appreciate the fact that Pippen said MJ groomed him into who he was. How man superstars in today's game can actually make that claim.

[@demarcusmoody4919]

Aziah Green I don’t think there will be another #2 like Pippen. Players wana be #1 and fail than #2 and win. Neither is bad

[@MrKingPhact]

He was never a super star

[@OfficialTMT]

Adrian Rubio fam pippen was basically the best player in the league behind jordan but he wasnt a superstar? Stop it 😂😂

[@aziahgreen3345]

@@OfficialTMT Pippen was a good player indeed. but I disagree. I don't think he was better than Olajuwon, Shaq, Malone, David Robinson or Ewing to a degree. just my opinion.

[@coneyjames6765]

Yea the pistons made me stronger If you great you gone find a way or do whatever it takes to win even if it means trusting your teammates a lil more

[@coolreg6395]

Max 1st of all you are wrong. Give the Pistons their respect

[@GildedWarrior331]

Let Isaiah be sitting next to Max and I bet he switch up....

[@coolreg6395]

@@GildedWarrior331 Facts

[@davidelsea1296]

Their legacy should always be tarnished. They didn't play basketball. They tried to hurt people.

[@stoniptfosupersonic]

GildedWarrior331 Not really, that would be SAS but I do agree Max is wrong on this one. Although like Max said if it wasn't Detroit it would be some other team but a fact is it was Detroit so I don't see his point here

[@aaronwatkins5549]

@Steve Jobs bruh the entire league didn't play like that. The closest comparison is the Celtics at the time and they didn't go out to legitimately hurt people. The Bad Boys have said they wanted to hurt players. The League was definitely more physical, but they tried to hurt guys. That's just dirty basketball.

[@NK-iw6rq]

This documentary slaps !!! Love the whole Pistons Bulls backstory before Jordan and the Bulls took flight.

[@optimistic1__299]

Yes, it definitely made MJ better, the 🐐 knew he had to get stronger!!

[@alexanderadonyae7937]

I personally wanna thank Stephen A. Smith for showing them Bad Boyz much love💯💯💯

[@aaronmeade1546]

This is what ESPN is like today.. "Jordan is the goat" "No you're wrong! Jordan is the goat" It just seems like they argue just to argue.. they never say that they agree when it even seems like they agree..

[@romeowilliams8020]

That's what makes it fake .that also makes u miss Stuart scoot and amad rashhad...also John Madden

[@RaiderklanAB]

That’s what gets ratings. Especially now when there’s nothing else to talk about.

[@umarb7325]

that's SAS in a nutshell. He always has to disagree

[@dolobrolic6066]

The pistons committed assault with the intent to cause bodily harm…………😂

[@tcgrant3267]

Facts and they said it

[@H1GHD3FF]

That was every foul

[@gamexsimmonds3581]

Let's also not forget that the Pistons were a great team too. Apart from just beating you up they did ay great defense and were great offensively too Well coached and played as a unit 5 straight conference finals

[@MisterTurner-ex1fv]

@@gamexsimmonds3581 True ✅ They were like the empire, and the Bulls like the rebellion from the original Star Wars movies.

[@NOTLKU86]

DOLO BROLIC yup !!!

[@docj7631]

MJ would've eventually win multiple rings but to be great, the road to greatness must also be great, which was the case in the east during the 80s and 90s.

[@jojolit2628]

I honestly think the East was weak back than historically speaking the East never really had competition the fact the Larry Bird Celtics face the bulls before pippen got to the bulls having more than 50 losses in a season is pitiful besides The bad boys and Celtics plus Bulls Dats really it

[@anthonybennett2837]

*They were playing "Jail ⛹" in the 90's but Detroit Pistons were playing "San Quentin/Rikers Island ⛹* 😩😫😅😂😭😭

[@growing.grounds4054]

Bennett you a fool ! 😂

[@S3kt0r15]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@solaodebunmi9492]

😂😂

[@jamest1429]

Facts

[@brodericksimpson6049]

Jordan said himself in an interview with Ahmad Rashad years ago that he and the Bulls wouldn't have gone on that run they went on if it weren't for the Pistons challenging them and making them tougher and better. Max must've missed that interview. It wasn't just that Mike didn't have another All-Star. It was also him trying to do it by himself. Mike is the GOAT but there's no need to create myths or act like he was ready to win as soon as he got to the league.

[@simple45679]

Jordan had other aspirations and goals other than overcoming the pistons. When he won his 6th chip, he already knew he was gonna talk about him now having more rings than Magic. If they ran it back and won, he'd say he has more than Kareem. The Pistons made Jordan mature real fast but let's not act like Jordan wouldn't have gone to win multiple championships. This guy literally accused the Bulls of tanking in 86 so he can play heavy minutes (even though it would ultimately help the team with picks), that's the kind of competitive guy he is.

[@2CHACHOUU]

being a dirty team does not make you great

[@keithlangford3002]

What top 50 players did he play with and he won a championship in college basically by self no not to Indiana players come on man he was the chosen one to sell Nike gym shoes they wasn't Poppin to they put a commercial campaign behind Jordan it is the best guard to ever play the game look at his resume

[@Texas_Cruiser]

@Steve Jobs those were Doug Collins' orders. Jordan was actually very coachable from Dean Smith, to Bobby Knight, Coach K, Daly, and Jackson.

[@juliohernandez3323]

I think what Max says is not totally out of line here. He is talking about facts in the sense that Jordan the minute got a little help they pushed the Pistons to the brink. It is well known that Jordan has given the Pistons credit for making him and the Bulls a better team, but is not less factual that Chicago got Detroit on the ropes once Pippen started to hit his stride.

[@eldio2124]

Isiah Thomas has a winning record against Jordan, never forget that kids. The bad boys put a beating on him for awhile

[@yrgrobotics7474]

Facts and 3-1 against Jordan in the playoffs

[@dannyllerenatv8635]

They put the Bulls in the weight room. Isiah also has Bird, Kareem and Magic on his body count. One of the most underrated all time greats.

[@wheeloffortune3343]

Pistons was playing jail ball that's one of the reasons.

[@orlandomartinez4767]

Swept

[@simple45679]

Guess that's why the Pistons decided to blow up. They knew trying to run it back after being swept will tarnish their record vs Jordan.

[@darlanhernandez5037]

I honestly think that the Detroit Bad Boys Pistons were the only team that could stop Jordan. and yes they made him the GOAT !

[@hansmransm8835]

I wouldn't say they made him the GOAT. But the did help show another side of his greatness.

[@jaimecervantes4718]

He was a star before them. So regardless he was on his way

[@James-hq1yv]

Actually everyone stopped Jordan from winning a chip in the 80s. It wasn't just the pistons. The moment Jordan got a real team he swept them.

[@ThePrufessa]

Huh? Before the pistons it was the Celtics he couldn't get past. Is this your first time learning about Michael Jordan dummy?

[@factsovertheyfeelings5303]

The real reason mj still hate piston because mj know the NBA help them out

[@brucemoody2539]

I would like to say even though it looked brutall back then. It was enjoyable to not see the players not whine to the referees Everytime they got touched!!!💯

[@mczouldier999]

unless you're Horace Grant

[@blehbleheh]

They didn't whine to the refs, they just fought each other during halftime lmfao

[@brucemoody2539]

@@blehbleheh 😀😀👍🏽

[@oralgriffiths4099]

Stephen A u just schooled Max . Thanks ! He just engages in a lot of rhetorical flurries .

[@BTA_23]

Isiah and Lambeer should thank their god(s) and priests that MJ didn't get Scottie earlier in his career, coz if he did, they wouldn't have had any ring....not even one! Give MJ Scottie Pippen (no migraines) in 1989 and 1990 and the Bulls would have won those years, easily! (in 6 games or less). Also, take Scottie away in 1991 to 1993 and MJ wouldn't have won. Scottie (a complementary ALL star talent to MJ and the Bulls) was MJ's rate limiting factor for the Bull's rings. He was the decider. Once he hit his strides, the Bulls shut out the league and all the 1980s "tough" guys/big teams had to practically give up any title hopes and aspirations (i.e essentially they were retired earlier than planned, in despair). They taught him nothing, he was already the best (by far) in his second year and once he got his man, it was a wrap for them all!

[@Maxjuliann]

The pistons pushed jordan to get stronger . Thats about it.

[@bussheadboss1681]

or u mean mj was just about an inch to be in the emergency room

[@GildedWarrior331]

😂😂😂😂😂 facts they were gonna get Jordan after the game if they could and then getting out of Detroit back then was real

[@djfacts9770]

Yeah by straight up assaulting him = Jordan Rules

[@troybender1936]

Yep and teams pushed James and what did he do? Ran to another team to join other stars

[@suxgaming1273]

@@bussheadboss1681 but he was able to take those flagrant fouls and still played his game

[@bradennichols3154]

I just thought it was cool how jordan allowed Phil jackson to get in his head. And when he finally got that ring jordan was crying and phil hugged him and said you did it the right way. From that point on you couldn't stop the Bulls. Until his father died. But he came back and 3 peated again😂

[@youngblood4127]

Absolutely agree.

[@javianjohnson8746]

Imagine if Jordan said to the Pistons about the '90 ECF "this loss doesn't count, Scottie Pippen had a migraine!"

[@colbraz9063]

Javian Johnson Max didn’t say it doesn’t count lol

[@JXL21]

Like Lebron fans talking about game 1 vs GSW?

[@ayevince8857]

ThePrIsMcAURA that doesn’t correlate fam

[@skywalker2676]

ThePrIsMcAURA why is Lebron being brought up on a jordan vs isiah post?😑😑😑

[@javianjohnson8746]

ThePrIsMcAURA something like that lol

[@javianjohnson8746]

THIS is what a sports rivalry is all about! Now you got players swapping jerseys, taking selfies, and going on vacation with each other SMH

[@juandotcom2]

Javian Johnson for reals! B**** sh**

[@animefan2165]

Javian Johnson jordan played golf with a player during the series. STFU

[@19DeMan77]

Rivalries are for the fans, Owners can give two shits about them.

[@godslayerfiles687]

I know right, who needs sportsmanship. They should be killing one another in the street when they see each other cause sports is serious business! Lol. It ain’t that serious. Some of these guys are friends before the pros. Calm down.

[@amaribryant1750]

you realize they they're more harshly penalized for that behavior today

[@romari86]

was that a fly on Stephen A lip at 3:46 😂

[@chiville165]

Sure was lmao

[@David-nb3ex]

🤣

[@ciresolstice]

Didn't even notice that lol

[@HakeemTheDream616]

Jordan said himself in the documentary he would have never won the 6 Chip's without the Bad Boys...

[@MozartRice]

Stick to Boxing Max...

[@donnalaster7872]

AMEN brother.

[@sederickoliver8957]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@promnightdumpsterbaby7430]

Nah he was lowkey right on some points tho when Scottie entered his prime they destroyed the league when Scottie was in his rookie contract they didn’t win as much this is true

[@donnalaster7872]

But max was dead wrong when he said that the Pistons did'nt make jordan and the whole team better.

[@gerardoarambula4377]

Kay Gee he suck at dat to

[@JasonKing8113]

Max : Jordan didn't need the Pistons Stephen A : did you watch the documentary? Me : lmao

[@MrWolfy08]

documentary made jordan humam. I watch jordan be a team player... and that team was a amazing team.

[@Thatguytwothree]

Jason King 1381From BKNY 😂😂😂

[@robrtfit3939]

Nobody in this NBA could survive the 89-90 Pistons

[@woke7987]

Shakam RaishLahab he said nobody in this nba

[@goodfella2400]

The Pistons were only tough in the lane, if you are raining threes on them they got no chance.

[@goodfella2400]

J M the Pistons didn’t have any pure shooters. Laimbeer and Thomas could hit 3s but they didn’t take many. Dumars and Johnson were pure mid range. The Pistons were overrated and would have never made it out of the ECF if Len Bias didn’t OD.

[@aidenham8749]

Goodfella, if we r playing under the 80's rules everyone outside of the clippers get a gentleman sweep or a reg sweep. playing now days the will get shooten out of the game

[@triplegezzy3007]

Any player can thrive in any era

[@jimarmstrong2630]

They beat the Pistons the year they changed the rules, to quote Barkley, "so the girls could play". Factor that into the discussion.

[@youngblood4127]

That Training Montage was one for Ages. The feeling of defeat & despair yet a glimpse of hope & determination. This is right up there with any sports movie & anime training montage, I’d ever seen.

[@emmanuelenyinwa1443]

Media coverage of Jordan reminds me of the Barry Switzer story about his time as head coach at Oklahoma. "I had so much pull in Norman, Oklahoma, I could walk down the street and make love to a cow, and people would just shake their head and just say "old Barry sure knows his beef ".

[@XJumpManReturnsX]

truth

[@FireAngelChris]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😃😃😃😃

[@TheKondinho]

bro, thank you. lots of bias.

[@bifftannen66]

You couldn't have said it any better

[@christiansoldier77]

Emmanuel Enyinwa So I guess you missed the media coverage that tried to bring Jordan down when it comes to gambling???

[@hasanijames1098]

Stephen A. to Max: "Did you watch the documentary last night?" So disrespectful! 🤣

[@KayPfromthaD]

Bad Boys for life, stay mad, angry, and bitter, it let's you know how great the Pistons were, facts.

[@petermcclenaghan2254]

Nothing but goon ball!!!

[@risam858]

So hurting your opponent on purpose makes you great? lol that’s called cheating. Then they acted like sore losers when they got beat even while trying to hurt the GOAT

[@KayPfromthaD]

@@risam858 grow up

[@risam858]

Kip Colbert you big mad bruh? lol

[@sleaziestking4703]

Kip Colbert talk to them bad boys for life hammer time

[@matthewweiss8579]

Everyone had to overcome an obstacle to be great. Jordan did and never looked back. But I also don’t want to hear that Jordan was getting whooped. Man was balling against a team of all stars, pippen didn’t make it until 1990. Can’t win by yourself, nobody has!

[@countrylife04]

@Jay mere with Gasol, Artest, Odom he did, basketball is a team game, every Superstar needs good teammates

[@my-1903]

Matthew weiss dirk?

[@lexdadon]

MY-190 dirk had Jason Kidd..let’s not forget that. Everybody needs two all stars

[@neglakay4373]

@@my-1903 that team had Jason Kidd, Peak Tyson Chandler, veterans like Shawn Marion and Jason Terry. A better example would probably be Olajuwon in 94.

[@pootsplasencia4846]

@Rolo Castro pau was not better then dirk or duncan in 2009 i think even Garnett was still better this notion that pau was some great player is false he was a solid player not some all world player he was more like a bosh then a dirk or duncan or garnett

[@chosenjuan0252]

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Stephen A took a pay cut so Molly could keep working ☠️

[@yourmomshouse8993]

chosenjuan025 really???

[@robertchamblissjr570]

If that’s the case then ESPN needs to turn off the lights and let everyone go.

[@raymondhansen4482]

That’s respect.

[@stephenasunnamedsource2943]

"Btw your right. Theres no way to prove it one way or another. Im not saying no way is it possible for the Pistons to win" Love how Max makes an arguement then doubles back to let us know that its just a hypothetical

[@IssaYoutuber]

What is max talking about?????

[@davidmaez7253]

Right!!! Max stick to Boxing

[@kevinsmith4568]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@stephenasunnamedsource2943]

He contradicted himself which wasted 5 minutes of my time

[@davidmaez7253]

@@stephenasunnamedsource2943 He always does , 🤣🤣

[@TekkLuthor]

Michael Jordan would've become GOAT regardless of Detroit or not. That's the point he's making. Stephen A. thinks it's messing with his narrative so he just reacts. That's the problem with people today, they don't ask clarifying questions

[@jameswatson2507]

Back then: allstar s get into fights bad blood rises strong rivalries. Now: Superstars fight 30k Dollar fine both team up to make a super team

[@Neo-oq3rx]

Without knowing it The Pistons gave Jordan & The Bulls that extra motivation to become a championship winning team and they never looked back. Most great individuals or teams need a rivalry to become great and The Pistons were that

[@MyNemo1987]

Real Rivalries and No Load Management!!!

[@quentinjones6877]

Dennis Rodman literally went to go party during the season

[@ciresolstice]

@@quentinjones6877 The Father of load management lol

[@quentinjones6877]

@@ciresolstice lol right

[@jaydubb2005]

Detroit is the team that ultimately turned jordan and scottie into complete unstoppable monsters on the court. Thanks detroit for the obstacles, challenges and adversity.

[@taylorhorne7224]

No it is not bruh jordan taught pistons what they need to learn pistons only harmed him cause he was too powerful

[@jaydubb2005]

@Jeff Pryce 100%

[@countrylife04]

this is rivalry, i love those times

[@padyaktivate]

Passing of the torch. From Stephen A. to Max K. Slowly but surely

[@briansd2772]

After this, it's going to be challenging for me to watch the NBA again after they resume play.

[@supastar25]

@Nintariz That was around the time i stopped caring as well..just lost interest

[@scoptzZyNelibot]

I think they did have a hand in helping MJ towards his greatness but to say that isn't a discredit to MJ. Isiah and the pistons are the only team to beat Bird, Magic and MJ all in their primes. If he did learn something about how to win it's from an all-time great team that doesn't get the credit it deserves.

[@DeonKelley]

Tom Ball I totally agree

[@larrybobo5082]

Hey this the beat off of Friday when they was chasing Santa through the backyard

[@r.j.w7924]

As a Pistons fan who grew up idolizing Isiah it's good to hear say Jordan that Zeke was the greatest point guard of all time behind Magic.

[@josephaustin8067]

MJ just needed one all star level player to help him take down their 3 all stars, dpoy. I agree with max. Once he had one all star he started winning chips. Batman and Robin #23 #33

[@chase755]

Also let not act like his other all star wasn't a top 50 player all time

[@josephaustin8067]

Chasd Parker Nobody said he wasn’t I said all he needed was a all star to win 6 titles. He didn’t need a big three or join his competition he built his guys up and challenged them in practice every day until their level of play rose

[@James-hq1yv]

@Steve Jobs Pistons did not beat prime lakers... they didn't beat prime Celtics. They didn't beat a prime Chicago bulls. The first time they played a team in their prime they got swept by Chicago. Period.

[@jonsnow178]

Steve Jobs lmao imagine saying something that retarded

[@keithlangford3002]

Cry cry cry basketball was a game of men stop crying and stop trying to make him to goat if you are so good how come you didn't want him on the Dream Team cry cry cry what the babies going to do is grown man crying like that

[@benjacoby4899]

Scottie Pippen isn’t some regular all star he’s one of the greatest ever, max needs to stop with that

[@barkleysmall2363]

He’s talking bout the yr 1990...not scottie pippen overall career

[@leftbenchplayaa]

In 1990 Scottie was barely an all star...he was nowhere near his prime yet soooooo

[@adamaizenberg756]

MJ needed this feud. I’m not mad at Thomas and the Pistons for doing what they did to the Bulls. I’m actually happy for it, it made them tougher.

[@christianpitzer9565]

I wish I was born back then basketball had so many great back then it would have been a privilege to watch all of them play don't get me wrong I love basketball now a days but watching the old clips of what it used to be is just crazy it was so much better

[@MP-pg4cm]

They call today nba star sensitive for shaking hands but giving a pass to Jordan for complaining after 30 years

[@darrelljones3965]

M P right lol

[@davidconejr4206]

todays players are soft regardless

[@Maxjuliann]

Because he didnt complain while it was happening. If dudes got hit like he did today they would contemplate retirement

[@user-lt5dg1ix6u]

Didnt mj himself say he needed to go through the pistons to become champions..why is max even on tv

[@ciresolstice]

Yeah It's hard to have a talking head "opinion" when the man(Jordan) facing that obstacle clearly says that sharpened him/he needed that to overcome to be who he was. and in some regards was more important than actually winning the championship. That's how big it was. Sorry Max.

[@juanluna8373]

People forget that when Doug Collins was the Bulls' head coach his philosophy was just give Jordan the ball. Thats why he scored so much. When Phil Jackson came in and introduced the triangle it involved everybody getting a touch on the ball not just one player. And just think about this Pippen's first year as an all star was Phil's first year as coach of the Bulls. What does that say????

[@AngelPerez-pc4sf]

Haven't heard max this emotional in a min. Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@credmaxxx]

Scottie Pippen wasn't even an all-star that year they won their 1st Championship

[@herbslim2008]

Please tell Max that

[@promnightdumpsterbaby7430]

He should’ve been tho

[@goodfella2400]

He was snubbed obviously. He was an all star the previous year, yet better in 91.

[@jeromemaida4933]

I love when people like Max act like 1995 and Nick Anderson never happened to Jordan.

[@antoniogreen9176]

But what happened the next year, you act like he played that whole season lmao

[@kaspafischer]

yeah Nick "The Brick" huh? LOL... MJ swept Nick the very next year... end of that story

[@christiansoldier77]

JErome Maida Jordan was out of shape you fool . You will learn more about that in episode 7

[@connorsmith6517]

SuperPunch76 a playoff loss is a loss. MJ was still putting up close to 30 a game on 50%. He had a really good team. They just got beaten. They retooled the roster and worked hard all off season and came back and had the best season ever. But it’s only fair to count that 95 loss as a loss

[@kabook4000]

It did happen. And if you know your history 72 -10 the next year. Jordan was embarrassed and admitted it. They lost to a good Orlando team. What's your point. My point is he didn't run and join Orlando or call up the top 3 picks in his class to join him for not 1,2,3,4,5,6,7

[@tmmitchell9541]

Thank you Stephen A Smith... set the public straight .... thank you thank you

[@richardnelson7442]

Molly looks like she’s aged 10 yrs since the last time I saw a video.

[@justaction]

Max always makes the “he didn’t have help” excuse when it fits his argument🤦🏿‍♂️

[@luffyskywalker7549]

Micheal Jordan came along at the perfect time. Lakers, 76ers, and Celtics were on the decline. I wonder how it would've went if everyone was in their primes with their teams.

[@jamaali2358]

Jordan doesnt sniff a championship

[@TheDeftones821]

@@jamaali2358 so so dumb

[@fernandoubence4778]

Jordan got lucky whose teams where in decline or else hé would never would of won

[@fernandoubence4778]

Imagine jordan in The 80s hé wouldnt get passed boston to begin with and The pistons had had jordans number too so jordan would never would have one

[@Jolnichek]

SAS looking like George Jefferson with that 3 piece throwback

[@AngelPerez-pc4sf]

Max is a straight fan boy 😂 it's flabbergasting 🤯😄

[@shawnwhitter5968]

If you weren't from Detroit, you hated the Pistons

[@davodhashimi3809]

Shawn Whitter yep

[@tashrif46]

5:43 Stephen A Smith do not make that mistake again. He was injured during the regular season not during the playoffs.

[@goodfella2400]

Tashrif Alam He makes a lot of excuses for the Pistons.

[@emiliaandfriends5078]

Thank you stephen A

[@plutoburn]

I miss the 90s NBA, the regular season has the intensity of playoff game nowadays, and playoff games feel like the finals. Stars play their heart out every game instead of taking off days for break.

[@dlp1238]

3:05 he almost said LeBron 😂

[@Vince-tt1uj]

😂

[@DenizCDemir]

-LeBron didn't have a team -I don't want excuses -Jordan lost to the Pistons -Yeah but Pippen had a migraine

[@ICee712]

Jordan didn't have a 'team' until he did. All he had was Oakley early on. What Michael didn't do was agree with other all-stars in the league to all collude to one team. Pippen was built up into being a star on the Bulls. The supporting cast that Jordan had in Chicago were uplifted into better players just by playing on that team, with that cornerstone of a player, and that zen-master of a coach. I'd say the biggest argument was that Rodman came into Chicago as a developed star already - back then, the city definitely wasn't on edge for Rodman to become the star that he did, as he was volatile and already in his mid-30s. Although no one knew how big of a part he'd play in the coming years. All of the supporting players over both 3-peat runs - I'm willing to bet most basketball fans (before watching the Last Dance) wouldn't be able to name most of them. Jordan was drafted to Chicago and a team was developed around him to being multi-year Champions. I'd argue LeBron was brought into the NBA too early, and ultimately became a Champion by conspiring with other established all-stars to manufacturing what was strategically put together in Chicago.

[@dannycooper1245]

Wow! I didn't know that! Isiah was injured in 1991! The bulls would probably win anyway but it wouldn't be a sweep. Thank you Stephen a for pointing that out! It just goes to show that the little details of history can be distorted or overlooked sometimes. Again, the bulls would have won that series anyway, but definitely not in 4 games. If Isaiah was healthy it probably would have been 6.

[@marvinsroom3052]

stephen a: First off your wrong,...second max, isiah thomas and Mj are dear friends of mine hahahahahah

[@slimmway7328]

LeBron took the 07 cavs to finals without a allstar and beat the bad boy pistons 2.0 in the conference finals at age 22 , while MJ at 22 was getting swept in the first round

[@jokerface7531]

*The Bad Boys left floor Like Cowards at the End of Game*

[@RiseAboveMyHaters]

JOKER FACE Celtics did the same thing it called passing the torch

[@davidhulderman5556]

@@RiseAboveMyHaters right people are so stupid

[@balmorehernandez2226]

It wasn't about cowards.......it was about really bad blood between them....

[@SuperRosso1000]

Ppl who suffer legit migraines wonder how Scottie even dared to play game 7. Scottie literally couldn't see straight. That takes guts!

[@videoorgy]

Poor baby.

[@kishan8592]

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger 📈🏆

[@dabbadoo2226]

This whole series makes Lebron and this era of the nba look like a bunch of pansies

[@QuEsT_X]

Jordan couldnt get pass the pistons without the league's help stop it max jordan literally played with a starting 5 hall of fame roster bruh come on max needs to stick to boxing

[@jackcorrigan3273]

QuEsT X. BoXiNg pass or past?

[@alonsomendoza9130]

It was a epic battle back then...Pistons were a hard team to beat...I think it would help Michael get stronger along the way.

[@skybourne6]

All the success all the money greatest all time an Jordan still wakes up in the middle of the night thinking about the Detroit Motor City Bad Boys... We still went back to back in the greatest era ever. An I love that.

[@markkokojenko1900]

Still took 3 years to over come the Pistons

[@roadbellator19delta]

Isiah Thomas ducking his head when they lost shows you his real character.

[@avejaly8065]

💯 % right Max.

[@pickle.786]

All history influences future success and overcoming all adversity allows for that success

[@RocasThePenguin]

Why do I click on these videos.... uhhhhhhh.....

[@ngbgaming4L]

B U because you have nothing else to do

[@bluephi89]

Max off on this one.....Too young

[@whatudoin1]

Greatest thing about that rivalry is to hear how Isiah hates on scottie because he can't go directly at Jordan Those L's really hurt his soul

[@melbonejosiah4827]

The tension made the games so competitive......

[@johng.8600]

Imagine being the pistons you're supposed be the toughest. You play the dirtiest had special rules for Jordan. You manage 2 titles but can't take losing and refuse to shake hands after getting swept. Pistons can kick rocks. Worst sports character champs in NBA history.

[@videoorgy]

It was a different game back then. The Celtics didn't shake the Pistons hands when they got beat either, but you don't hear no one crying about them. Stop buying these narratives the media spoon feeds you.

[@messagekeenenivorywayansvo3011]

Contel Bradford actually Mchale and Zeke slapped a high-five at mid court. That’s all those two teams needed.

[@jakechristman3424]

Contel Bradford that’s doesn’t justify their actions lol

[@cooleverafter]

You are absolutely right John g. Put this in perspective, the pistons weren’t simply physical, they were dirty. They bullied the Bulls. The tried to literally hurt Bulls players. Specifically Jordan and Pippen. So MJ and the Bulls bulk up and become better able to withstand the physicality. BUT THEY NEVER RESORTED TO IT. They played above the Pistons. Even before the Bulls got passed the Pistons, MJ behaves like a champion. John Salley even admitted that once they saw Pippen not retaliate or lose focus, they knew it was over. Think about that. It never crossed the Pistons mind to just play basketball. As talented as that team was, when it came down to actually playing the game, they couldn’t do it without hurting people. Ike has changed his story dozens of times. But you see he still treads lightly when he speaks about MJ. That says something. It goes deeper. Lambeer is and was an idiot. So he sticks by his explanation and excuse about getting old. But Ike picks his words carefully. Yeah he’ll correct these commentators, but he won’t say anything snide about MJ. By the way, John Salley did shake the Bulls players hands. Probably why they let him come over and get a ring for free. What people don’t understand about that generation is a handshake was the single greatest gesture to communicate respect. Ike talks about the Celtics walking off, but look at how he pursued McHale to make sure he got some kind of respectful gesture out of it. If it didn’t matter to Ike he wouldn’t have gone after McHale. Lambeer too fo that matter. Say what you want but that’s on tape. All of it. Especially Ike’s shame when he walked past the Bulls players. Everything about his body language said he was wrong and ashamed.

[@ciresolstice]

@@cooleverafter I mostly agree with all you said and the Pistons resorted to some pretty low tactics. But they weren't just dirty or just physical...there were smarts involved also...forcing Jordan left, or away from the baseline is smart. The rest was obvious, they couldn't match the Bulls head up so they had to play dirty.

[@tclass99]

MJ just salty that he went 1-3 vs that Pistons team in the playoffs.

[@Hinshu85]

A sweep shits easily in a 1-3 deffict. Specially when they were back-to-back champions in their prime.

[@ariesking1036]

Yeah but when he got that one he never looked back

[@eatingtricky]

Great rivalry

[@robertholderness9804]

In that Game 7. Jordan shot 13/27 (31 pts.). Remainder of the team shot 15/63 (43 pts.), including Scottie Pippen (1/10) and Horace Grant (3/17).

[@newshow9568]

I love Jordan

[@horsemanhammer1348]

Jordan was OVERRATED trash. Love that.

[@faceoff3315]

*We Beat Them So Bad in 1991 Playoffs They had to leave the game* *Michael Jordan*

[@RiseAboveMyHaters]

Face Off it’s called passing the torch .. Celtics did it to the Pistons educate yourself

[@antonioking8156]

@@RiseAboveMyHaters You mean they took the torch.

[@YungFredo22]

The pistons v bulls rivalry was the realest rivalry ever in basketball no heated competition in today’s game doesn’t compare whatsoever

[@rickyjames3608]

These days I dont see rivalry in basketball like this I am hoping clipper and lakers give us a treat this next 3 years.