Stephen Pinker on What Has Happened to Being Rational

Taken from JRE #1743 w/Stephen Pinker:
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[@MusicAutomation]

Part of the problem is that there’s a big stigma to simply saying “I don’t know,” which is the most rational conclusion in many circumstances.

[@BagelsnOj]

"The only thing I truly know is that I know nothing." -Socrates

[@beatsbeercigarettes]

Not knowing is life. I wish this humans would realize that and you know… learn of which you know not.

[@beatsbeercigarettes]

Not knowing is life. I wish this humans would realize that and you know… learn of which you know not.

[@heroflying]

I wouldn't call it a stigma. Most of the time, it's not that you're punished for saying you don't know. It's that others get rewarded for being blowhards, so there's a pressure to dishonestly claim expertise. Also, checking their knowledge is hard, time consuming work, so most humans believe humans who project confidence even when they have no business having any.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

Or 'I have no basis for an opinion' which shifts the onus away from what appears to be an individual failure to the problem of the lack of clean data from which to draw a conclusion.

[@PrezCamacho]

An educated man knows what he has been taught... An intelligent man questions what he has been taught.....

[@matthewbeat]

A wise man doesn't fall for either/or fallacies

[@theundead1600]

Silly platitudes aside id guess intelligence is not just questioning but using the education and questioning seeking facts to prove or disprove their or others proofs, but I’m just a talking chimp. Happy Christmas or what ever your holiday

[@jimmythecrow]

@@theundead1600 education =/= intelligence.

[@mikehw7526]

Pinker,friend of Epstien is the person u like?

[@allancarter4242]

@@mikehw7526 Ya, wonder why JR didn't ask about the Epstein connection....

[@NostalgiaMan]

In the time of tyranny, telling the truth is a Revolutionary act.

[@sspbrazil]

What tyranny?

[@ianthescientist8827]

@@sspbrazil someone hasn't researched UK, Canada, Australia, Russia, China or US or many other countries' governments.

[@sspbrazil]

@@ianthescientist8827 like I said, what Tyranny? You’re incredibly lucky if you live in all those countries mentioned, save for maybe China which is the only country you’ve mentioned that even has a shred of tyranny, but keep pretending you know what that word means.

[@acidducks9476]

@@sspbrazil Boris Johnson is trying to pass a bill that will allow police to search people on the spot for no given reason, and without consent. That fucking tyranny. At least that's a part of it

[@sspbrazil]

@@acidducks9476 the key word is “trying” which means it has to go through parliament, in Russia and China there would not be the process, it would just be put into place. That’s my point, anyone living in the UK, US, Australia and Canada are incredibly lucky that they can go out and protest these things and that you have a Parliament or Congress that have to pass these things because there are countries in the world that don’t have these freedoms.

[@InnerMammalInstitute]

When I was a student, I learn that irrationality is a natural brain tendency, a la Kahneman. But when academics give examples of irrationality, 100% of their examples are of right-wing irrationality. No one dares to point to left-wing irrationality. This podcast was a deja vu of that experience.

[@fuckerz221]

So true! Someone stumping for a return to rationality while scolding all biases from one ideological spectrum is peak snobby academia

[@InnerMammalInstitute]

@@fuckerz221 Thanks for getting it! This was my life for 25 years in academia. They are hiding behind the mantle of science, but it's like the shaman of the past who got to tell everyone what "THE science" says, while using it as a hierarchical control tool.

[@josephmardesich5558]

No one will point out the left sides hypocrisy or bullshit. They have a mob mentality that is scary and totally irrational. Honestly both sides are psychotic if left unchecked and given total power, were supposed to balance each other out and have a give and take type set up. Now people just oppose something simply because it came from the mouth of an opposing party member, even if it lines up with their true beliefs and is helpful for all, they argue it. They wont allow reason, middle ground or peace between themselves. Each party wants to totally rule the other under their feet and nothing short of total dominion over that pesky "enemy" will be good enough for them. Its truly scary to see both groups think each other are a danger to society, this brings war and genocide every time! Be cautious people, this can happen again...

[@popfan7676]

I think Rogan didn´t understand what Pinker said early in the video, but in one point he said that climate change beliefs are more determined from your political standpoint than from rationality. And the example he gives is actually that the right-wing can be really rational and intelligent to defend their standpoint, whereas the left wing when explaining, fails miserably, saying shit like: oh its the ozone layer, but can´t actually explain it.

[@InnerMammalInstitute]

@@popfan7676 You're right. But most of it was the other way. I know what you mean about host and guest not understanding each other. Each carries the convo where they want it to go.

[@jopo7996]

I'm just enjoying witnessing the extreme ends of the hair spectrum in this clip.

[@lievenyperman9363]

Finally, someone gets to the real essence of this clip. ;)

[@literarypharaoh1117]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tommyoneill9761]

😂

[@tommyoneill9761]

😂

[@clevertaco328]

😂

[@VinnyM.92]

I was really enjoying listening to this podcast while fishing the other day. Two hours in when they started talking about UFO’s, I was caught off guard when Pinker said that he doesn’t think a fighter pilot would be the right person to judge weather something looks strange in the sky or not. TWO HOURS OF MY FUCKING LIFE WASTED.

[@jackbush8223]

Yes, very rational isn't he?

[@VinnyM.92]

@@jackbush8223 THATS A FACT JACK

[@timwhite5562]

The entire episode was him putting his stamp of approval on every "official statement" line and opinion, at times to the point of incredulity. I stopped listening when he said that from everything he's seen, it's his opinion that Theo Epstein committed suicide. At Rogan's surprised "really"!? He said "it just makes more sense that he was able to do it because the guards screwed up and weren't paying attention (or something to that effect). When presented with the cameras being shut off when it happened, the medical examiner saying the ligature marks are what you find more with strangling/garroting, not hanging, etc., he did some dance away from it. He did that with pretty much anything that had convincing evidence, but that didn't jive with the official statement by authorities in the government or news media. As a rule I agree that more often than not there aren't grand conspiracies, and the not elaborate the more this is true. But I'm a sucker for a good argument, every once in a while one will lead me to change my opinion, not often but it does happen. He was hanging his hat on every official position regardless of how thin it may be and how much good evidence that runs counter to it is. I've heard him several times on Freakonomics and have read some articles from him. I don't agree with him on a lot of things and I did find that he had a tendency to give opinions even when his knowledge on the subject was limited at best, but I still respected his opinion. I've known of him for 20+ years, and in this single interview he managed to completely change my opinion to him, and not for the better. Edit: See, I can have an opinion changed every once in a while.

[@jackbush8223]

@@timwhite5562 Oh aye, Pinker is 110% a corrupt establishment shill and scientism popularizer par excellence. Trained through extensive blackmail on Epstein Island like the rest of them, to say whatever the men in dark robes and masks want him to say. I think it's no theory at this point, it's just an obvious conspiracy. It's an emerging global technocratic order that has Pinker paying lip service to it, and plenty other popular figures , politicians, celebrities, you name it.

[@AloisWeimar]

@@jackbush8223 what you are describing is just capitalism

[@gbp3616]

It's hard not to notice when they talk about Epstein.. How uncomfortable he gets and how much he tries to dismiss it

[@moonboogien8908]

I was hoping he would rationally say; "Epstein didn't kill himself"

[@westonscheer5691]

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[@caladr9367]

Lol he “rationally” believes that it was suicide even though he considers Epstein a “fraud.” If Epstein was a “fraud” and potentially a Mossad agent, why is it crazy to think he was killed? Aren’t pedophiles killed in prisons and jails all the time? Aren’t intelligence agents ordered to kill themselves if captured too?

[@seanhastings4432]

Ironically, Pinker did used to hang out with Epstein back in the day.

[@CMALL95]

He brought up not being able to convince the pope about jesus and brought up QANON crazy and laughed at the idea of pizzagate while Maxwell is on trial. Pinker the puppet.

[@theycallmefingers2]

"Rational" to him would likely be to blindly believe the official narrative.

[@AbCDef-zs6uj]

"Everyone is stupid, except me." Homer Simpson

[@buckrogers6378]

One of Dunning Kruger College's finest.

[@y.peffle2802]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jeffreybrown9191]

The gentleman lost me when he said "intelligent people move to the cities and unintelligent people move to rural areas." I don't believe that is so.

[@brandonginsburg3120]

Dare's less conkrete and mettle in the country for me to hit my hed on. Dat's gud.

[@Gabriel-pt6tq]

What you believe is irrelevant, it's either true or isn't. The data shows you are incorrect.

[@MrDoobysm]

Many right wingers don’t deny climate change, but the amount of human contribution (which is in fact debatable), and to what extent government policy can correct for it is highly debatable. Science tells us “what is” Science doesn’t tell us “what we ought to do” Big difference.

[@alexmerel9924]

Very good

[@sorsocksfake]

The question how much we contribute, and how policy could change it, are *is* questions, though. The first is even purely scientific. Part of the *is* questions do leave science a bit, since politics is a lot more messy. Our models for measures often fail since they don't consider how people actually change their behaviors (e.g. using loopholes, abusing new laws). And it's even harder to tell how it would affect, say, Chinese emissions. But those are not *ought* questions. An ought question would be (for instance), if we could easily limit warming to 2.5 degrees but have to spend a lot to limit it to 1.5 degrees, how much of that is worth spending.

[@ashleylala4293]

The climate changed because they changed it. If the govt really wanted to stop global warming or stationary domes of high pressure which are creating droughts, all they would need to do is ban the ionospheric heaters which are in use all over the planet.

[@Nightverslonn]

@@ashleylala4293 In the past 30 years, how much has the planet warmed, and be specific? The answer to that may surprise you.

[@joela.4058]

The majority of scientists, world wide, across agencies and in multiple disciplines disagree with you. You are right that what we should do in response is debatable. It is not debatable that human activity is main driver in the current rate of climate change.

[@oPurpleGorillao]

He totally lost me when he said governments are becoming more rational 😂 riiiiiiight

[@jefflee1189]

yep he lost all credit when he said that. our current clown cant even spell rational

[@ThePTurtle115]

Glad I’m not the only one who caught that bs.

[@borishienkens7251]

I disagree. I do not think that there is a lack of rationality in government. Rather, there is a disconnect in values between representative government and its electorate. Lobbying plays a large factor in this unfortunately, but also the increasing variance of values among the population plays a role in this. When we look at the policy measures taken according to their underlying values, policy is getting more and more rational and data-driven. The problem is that these values do not correspond with the values of the majority of citizens.

[@lasttone10]

They are though, it's just that they realigned their purpose. If you think that the role of government officials is to do right by it's all people in the country you are right, it's a false statement, however, if you consider their aim to be: doing ` good` to their party lines and supporters, they have indeed become way more rational and are using all the tricks in the book to promote their own agenda.

[@FelonFitness]

I bet he was referring to governments outside of the U.S.

[@TenFalconsMusic]

How to make someone want to physically harm you: 1985: Insult their mother 2021: Disagree with them

[@vladimirhorowitz]

You mean disagree with the left. Not a lot of Trump supporters out there beating people up for wearing the wrong kind of hat or sitting in the coloreds-only section at school.

[@thothheartmaat2833]

the death of the yo mamma joke is a cultural travesty..

[@MrShanester117]

@@vladimirhorowitz The right is just as violent only a moron stuck in a cult could be as ignorant

[@vladimirhorowitz]

@@MrShanester117 Perhaps that's true. I just haven't seen any evidence for it, other than the "MAGA country!" white supremacists who attacked poor Jussie Smollett with a noose in Chicago.

[@vaga.spiritus]

@@vladimirhorowitz lmaooooooo

[@jayhelmke1730]

I like how he said “the less educated More rural areas.” How much can I trust him now? There are doctors, Lawyers, engineers, etc living in rural areas

[@abelfonseca]

Do you know about the median and the mean concepts?

[@evilstevie1]

Every once in while, JR has a guest on who is not a lunatic. This is that guest. And of course JR agrees with every single point he makes as JR is wont to do.

[@JM-co6rf]

Interesting that Pinker never mentioned any leftist ideology as irrational. it's almost like he knows exactly who pays his salary.

[@echo-trip-1]

Is he a leftist?

[@vectar]

My thoughts exactly. Seems definitely unbiased.

[@OutdoorsAmplified]

I noticed this, I bet his book is full of this shit

[@JesusHComedy]

After what happened to Brett Weinstein, Leftists definitely take the L on this one.

[@ccole1255]

That's bc the Left is the only rational side. The right-wing is an ideology of FEAR and HATE and the love of IGNORANCE and SELFISHNESS

[@FOSHIZZELL100]

I detest how he differentiated city people as “educated, hipster, and knowledge workers” to suburban and country folk as “less educated.” I remember listening to Jordan Peterson in a lecture warning about the dangers of Ideologues like Pinker.

[@jlindsay]

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[@westonscheer5691]

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[@birdmusic1206]

I also like how people like this want to lecture Africans about caring for the environment, there is some real irony there.

[@joshdh46]

Especially when city people are the biggest perpetrators

[@matthensle9391]

Most ironic comment I've read in a while....🤣🤣

[@souradeepbhattacharya5503]

There's no better podcast than JRE, i find people of every kind for all topics i'm interested in. it's mostly rational and objective also very diverse.

[@9_of_9]

He’s right about the “my side thinking”. He is a prime example of it.

[@Dronetek]

He talks about being rational, then throws out the most outrageous fringe beleifs to broadly paint his opposition.

[@georgenaratadam3803]

Another grifter on the scene

[@kaiheinaman7183]

Throws out irrational beliefs, lol

[@redsquare2608]

Right, this guy comes off real douchey

[@cperez1000]

not sure that's his only opposition. He talked mostly about right-wing conspiracies, although he's talk against sex science denial

[@ayg2199]

exactly. he’s obviously obsessed with climate change and dismissive of anyone who thinks differently

[@OneMeanArtist]

Considering the levels of corruption among a lot of the "experts" these days, his trust in them doesn't seem very rational to me.

[@Hooga89]

The moment scientists said that right-wing demonstrations were "covid surge events" but BLM demonstrations were no such thing, this showed how much they were guided by "rationality" and the scientific method lol.

[@geammanDW]

Bam!

[@lowkeyelena221]

You mean the experts you don’t agree with?!

[@Fuzzira]

Well they have to look out for each other, which seems rational to me.

[@wikkadxx]

@@lowkeyelena221 Probably the "experts" that state something as fact and then backpedal a few weeks or even years later as their facts turn into falsehoods. Fauci is a prime example.

[@TOMMY-WANT-WINGY]

“All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.” - George Orwell

[@aaronwebb1548]

"We were keeping our eye on 1984. When the year came and the prophecy didn't, thoughtful Americans sang softly in praise of themselves. The roots of liberal democracy had held. Wherever else the terror had happened, we, at least, had not been visited by Orwellian nightmares. "But we had forgotten that alongside Orwell's dark vision, there was another - slightly older, slightly less well known, equally chilling: Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Contrary to common belief even among the educated, Huxley and Orwell did not prophesy the same thing. Orwell warns that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression. But in Huxley's vision, no Big Brother is required to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity and history. As he saw it, people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think. "What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we desire will ruin us." - Neil Postman

[@Shhhoooooo]

Australia, Austria, Germany.

[@Miam_miam_la_gauffre]

@@aaronwebb1548 Yep, i think Hurley's point is more important than Orwell's one. I found 1984 quite disappointing because his conclusion of the inaptitude to rebel from within the system didn't rly add up for me. Plus the fact that, in 1984, the vast majority of people is kinda free to go around and do their things (even tho there lives sucks). Where as in Huxley's world, the system is way more viscous, realistic and relevant to our society nowadays (imo). But still, same conclusion: this wouldn't hold, and Dostoevsky kinda have the last word in this matter for me: mankind, would burn anything of those societies down to the ground in the end, just to prove that they're not a piano key (yes that's not exactly Dostoevsky's point, but it still work here imo).

[@akeldama09]

Liberalism is the #1 reason why America has political extremism. Guess which part shuts down college debates, attacks police, doxs people they don’t like, burns cities ?

[@erwind1257]

@@akeldama09 Yeah, look at Boston. Cambridge burns 24/7. It barely stopped police attacks enough to invent and produce a vaccine in no time. Now that you're safe it can go back to shutting down debates.

[@leonelsilvera9456]

There’s this misconception of being educated these days. A person with a PH.D nowadays, is equivalent to a person with an Associate Degree back in the 90s.

[@xFrontSightPostx]

Has this guy been living in a whole since the beginning of COVID? How could you live through the past two years and not question how weird everything is now? I would love to see how he explains China’s viral labs or Epstein. It would be entertaining to see him forsake everything he just said in seconds, and he would.

[@timwhite5562]

He gets into Epstein later in the episode. His opinion? He thinks the official findings of suicide were what happened. He said "it's more likely that it's just a matter of prison employees not doing their job properly or paying attention." (Not his exact words, but pretty close). Rogan's "really?!" Was kind of funny. He asked him "so even after the fact that the cameras had mysteriously stopped working when he was allegedly hanging himself or the fact a medical examiner's found that ligature mark is inconsistent with hanging?" To be honest, I haven't followed the story, at all really, so I don't know what they found and can only go by what I hear. I understand what he was saying about the mark on the neck; that with a hanging it's usually up really high because of how the body hangs, as opposed to being low when someone gets garroted. But I don't know how they found him. I know people who commit suicide in confined spaces like jails don't always hang themselves like you typically see on the gallows. They won't have anywhere to attach the end of whenever they're using, so they'll tie it to a bar or doorknob, get on their knees and lean forward, basically strangling themselves. So it is plausible that he could have had those marks, but still killed himself. But all the other shit isn't as easy to explain. The entire interview was what you're seeing on display here. LITERALLY everything he came at believing the "official" story, including ones that are obviously not correct. It got tedious and I only lasted half the interview.

[@xFrontSightPostx]

@@timwhite5562 Good to know, and that is why I didn’t want to watch this episode. Dude thinks he is smarter than everyone else by a pre-meditated assertion that everyone who questions what is reported is doing so because they are unintelligent. And, therefore, he must be the smarter one. The irony is, it’s the other way around. He is making determination of value and facts at the behest of someone else and thinking he the most intelligent and informed. This is the hallmark trait of a literate imbecile, in that, he can read about stuff, but he can’t really comprehend and reconcile information because his cognition is running in reverse. It’s literally a bias-driven form of mental processing.

[@flynnoflenniken7402]

The prison Epstein was sent to has everything specifically designed so inmates can't hang themselves. They wear clothes and use bed sheets made of a sort of paper that crumbles apart if you try to use it to make a rope you can hang yourself with. It would take an extraordinary level of incompetence for Epstein to have been able to hang himself in there, especially considering how high profile an inmate he was. They get into the David Fravor UFO sighting later too, and he admits he hasn't looked into it at all and doesn't know a single detail about it but says he can rationally dismiss the entire thing out of hand because of some intellectual principle that it must be false because the vast bulk of UFO sightings that came before it have been fake or wrong. Also mentions Mick West and gives the same tired arguments Neil deGrasse Tyson uses. Then he shifts the conversation to false memories and some student who thought they were abducted and probed by aliens when the only thing Joe is saying is that these Navy pilots and technicians saw something weird and we don't know what it is. No one brought up aliens until Pinker did. It's like he wasn't listening to what was being said to him and jumped straight to some generic talking points. Strikes me as someone who's skeptical to the point of just being dense.

[@ericanderson7346]

@@flynnoflenniken7402 It’s not skepticism to the point of being dense, it’s acknowledging the gaps in one’s knowledge, something nearly everyone in this cesspool of a comment section can’t seem to do. When we’re confronted with mysteries, we should never fill in the blanks however we see fit and regard it as fact.

[@Slayer8957]

@@ericanderson7346 Pinker has been to Epstein's island. Theres no gap in his knowledge or lack thereof, hes an active participant in the cabal of evil.

[@Steven-qc2sz]

We've given up on being rational, now we just rationalize our feelings.

[@williamschlass4598]

That's what we've always done and always will do. It's just more transparent due to information sharing and social media.

[@NeutralGloomBot]

But is that not exactly what JRE is? There is nothing rational about this show. Its Joe protecting his feelings and beliefs in spite of facts and evidence. Most of his guests do the same and his audience treats his podcasts like they are the encyclopedia of truth. This show is a prime example of rationalizing feelings instead of facing certain truths that people simply don't like.

[@chainsrad6354]

@@williamschlass4598 Then it feeds back onto itself. "its acceptable in society according to my phone, so ill join in."

[@unholylemonpledge9730]

Boomer comment

[@OmogeVblogTV]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qH6Xk6dtgZdmZrM what the media don't want you to see ..just unbelievable6

[@raneynickel7443]

As soon as he described people living in cities as "well educated and smart" and people living rurally/suburbs as "less well educated and not so smart" he disproved his entire narrative

[@WOOHOJEHA]

its the truth lol

[@harikoa4723]

But it’s statistically true - it doesn’t mean if you took a city person off of the street and a person living rurally off of the street, the city person would be smarter than the rural person EVERY TIME. But if you made the bet that a city person would be smarter/has achieved a higher degree of formal education than a rural person, you would be right more times than not.

[@budruski]

Educated does not make smart.

[@Russelshackleford]

AJ Jacob lack of education doesn’t help.

[@christopherchristmas25]

@Ladiesman1447 only education in texts books. As far as human knowledge to survive and be self sufficient goes away closer you get to the cities. People prefer one of the other,and their both within their right. I'll take a mechanic over a BA graduate for life purpose.

[@jamesopiela]

Pinker has his own biases, and uncompromising opinions which he claims are facts.

[@LibertyDownUnder]

Being skeptical of the climate change hysteria is considered irrational?? I didn't expect this here.

[@MrMexikin]

He's very against the "conspiracy theories" but what about that one where he flew several times on the epstine plane ?

[@icemanbtlr25]

Nother Epstein frequent flyer huh? 😆😆😆

[@Lsardanelli]

This is also the reason his replies on Twitter have been off since his name came out with Epstein. Kinda wack Joe doesn't care...

[@bearschmidt3180]

T-rump was a frequent flyer on the Epstein love plane .

[@Ninja_Skillz]

@@bearschmidt3180 Nope. Clinton flew like 27 times. Trump flew a total of 0 times. Facts.

[@bearschmidt3180]

@@Ninja_Skillz no . Trump flew in his plane , Epstein's pilot clearly testified that

[@DannyJuke]

Should've asked him about his friend Ghislaine Maxwell's ongoing trial this week.

[@user-ve9tu5rv6e]

He wishes her well

[@rondennis5120]

Great show. You all talked about so many topics.

[@Robert-nn8mp]

Pinker's like a recreational thinker, picking and entertaining here and there, not really taking on real issues.

[@guyfawkes8384]

He's a typical groupthink liberal drone. When he said he believed the Epstein story I almost spit my coffee out. This Pinker guy cannot be taken seriously.

[@robertandthecavalry2062]

@@guyfawkes8384 No he can't. I was a fan of Edward Wilson, who died very recently at an old age, and who'd taught at Harvard too. And I's seen Pinker appear with Wilson, debate him, etc. So I thought he had Wilson's support, or was credible in some way (Wilson was known as a great mind of the 20th century). But clearly, Pinker is just on Rogan representing Harvard money, lobbying. Which is a shame. No, he can no longer be taken seriously (even if we see Rogan showing him lots of deference).

[@m.p.7075]

So basically, by the end, Pinker’s rationality has led him to the conclusion that the official narrative on absolutely everything is what intelligent people (who only live in cities) should believe. 👍👍

[@westonscheer5691]

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[@traciedowning8566]

Yep, he's a shill.

[@tannercollins9863]

This comes from a 15min clip or you listened to the whole interview and came to this conclusion?

[@tannercollins9863]

That was your conclusion because you are a selfish American. He means actually rural people not your fake lifestyle.

[@tonysled6796]

finito. bravo. you completed Pinkers Palace. Now move on to Schaub's Shack! try and find the hidden chauvinism in the invisible man bun boutique before time runs out!

[@size14steeltoes]

For someone that preaches rationality, this dude sure had some preconceived ideas about anyone that doesn't believe the government issued story.

[@josh18230]

He's a left-wing academic, so he can only get so good as a thinker.

[@MattyBmemes]

Woosh

[@stevennguyen3459]

Your the dude from Jujitsu class

[@NoHomo1776]

Agreed, and I’ll go a step further; he’s a typical arrogant man of “science.” All of his examples and hypotheticals of irrationality were of the right, and Christians. For example, his example of telling the Pope that “Jesus is not the son of God.” You don’t think that was a dig on God and believers?! Yes it was, this guy is an arrogant fool.

[@todoz11]

gee, wonder why

[@dabba_dabba]

What I would suggest about believing in something is do not make it your whole identity. Don't go around social media or your job or school and proclaim to people out loud what you believe. Keep it discreet and only ever reveal it to someone who you are actually having a discussion with on ideas. That way, if more reasonable evidence is presented to you that would cause you to change your opinion like a rational person, you don't risk the shame of having to tell everyone you were wrong in your previous stance. I believe this is what causes a lot of people to remain stagnant in their beliefs and growth as a person.

[@Spider_7_7]

I heard him give a lecture in Tuscaloosa, Alabama and it was excellent.

[@__bam]

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." Carl Sagan None of us are immune to this. Remain skeptical. Ask questions that require evidence, not opinion. Encourage debate between opposing views. We need more Carl Sagan's in the world.

[@DaGARCE1]

Soviet propaganda studies. You just described them and whats going on in todays US media.

[@sluggo7]

This is exactly how extreme covert narcissists recruit "flying monkeys". For certain people, all you have to do is compromise their ego and you've got them. They were successfully fooled and by the time they figure that out, they can't bear to admit it, even (especially) to themselves.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Didn't Carl Sagan himself cause harm to the field of rationality by attaching narratives to science?

[@sluggo7]

@@SirBlackReeds how so?

[@Balithazzarr]

@@DaGARCE1 what I was just going to describe. There's an interview with an ex kgb agent video from the eighties that describe it.

[@bretthebert445]

Didn’t hear him say one example how the left was irrational.

[@Stranger_In_The_Alps]

That would be career suicide.

[@ractorstudios]

Exactly

[@Philosophillips]

What’s an analogous example of irrationality from the mainstream left that’s comparable in numbers to the QAnon faction of the right?

[@BrockLanders]

Because he’s an employee at Harvard, the Mecca of toxic wokeness. That would be like a Catholic priest denouncing the New Testament.

[@Stranger_In_The_Alps]

He explains why he doesn’t at around 7:35

[@codyevans8554]

I think the military industrial complex is an important area to focus on in improving environmental concerns. Industrial farming has areas to assess too, but at least it produces food.

[@whiteobama3032]

As an engineer, no statement makes me more anxious than "trust science"

[@magsteel9891]

Every time you drive across a bridge you are trusting many science disciplines at once.

[@Tripolar_1]

He is the very person he is trying to describe--in some ways. Amazing

[@westonscheer5691]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGbPfXl3od9nnMU

[@danc8900]

He was on Epsteins plane ffs

[@sc100ott]

Exactly what I was was thinking. He seems so caught up in his own superiority that he can’t even admit he’s part of the very problem he describes.

[@imanuel8883]

@@danc8900 no he wasn’t . Wtf you on about. You know who was, according to jizzlaine? Donald fooking J trump

[@theone-swta]

@@danc8900 To be fair, I imagine Epstein had many people he used to give himself authenticity without them being involved in his sicko activity. Just a thought. 🤓

[@cf9076]

Reminder: Stephen Pinker was on Epsteins flight logs, and he aided Epsteins legal defense against sex trafficking charges in 2007, helping Epstein avoid prison.

[@BigB932]

He is a smart man. Especially when I heard him down play Epstein. Throwing as much subtle water on that fire. He had the unfortunate opportunity to have met him. I am positive that there are some key victims that were threatened and paid extremely mind blowingingly well to disappear and shut up. He. Probably falls under their protection.

[@Fahad-gf1wx]

@@asimhussain8716 watch mohammad hijab

[@alanhall2795]

dead right and creepy

[@fireman1226576]

Probably helping himself avoid prison too

[@cf9076]

@jacob they're both elves

[@colleennapier3722]

Interesting that he considers education separate from indoctrination when these days there is very little room for questioning the narrative in higher education which would imply it is closer to indoctrination.

[@nicholascarter9158]

I'm curious Colleen to know what classes you're currently taking

[@fuckerz221]

These academia types who spend their entire lives on a college campus getting paid to study theories are pretty detached from reality

[@colleennapier3722]

@@nicholascarter9158 You may be curious, or you may instead share what you feel. I'm always open to dialogue.

[@faitherdoll6063]

“Thats crazy, jamie pull up that picture of pinker posing with Jeffery Epstein.”

[@stockontruthchannel2631]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGqboWqsfapnhdE The media don't want you to see this

[@westonscheer5691]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGbPfXl3od9nnMU

[@armike234]

"You get educated hipsters and knowledge workers in cities and you have less educated in suburbs and rural areas" LOL. That one quote says a lot

[@nothing4mepls973]

Coastal elitism is a powerful force. Dogmatic belief that they're 100% right about everything while their cities and forests burn around them. Meanwhile their hated inland enemies peacefully enjoy their holidays and lives, blissfully unaware of the havoc planned for them by their "betters"

[@shanedillon9117]

"Smart" people live in cities? Apparently these smart people keep voting the same garbage over and over to have high crime rates, poverty, property taxes through the roof etc. Just ask the people of Detroit, Philadelphia, Memphis, San Francisco, St. Louis, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Cleveland how their leaders have taken care of them over the last 40-60 years all by Democrats and all in debt. Us dummies live where it's quite, no tent city crap, we not burning everything down because we don't get our way, and most importantly... We keep to ourselves and respect the people around us.

[@benharris5666]

“Educated” is just another term for “Indoctrinated”. Easily imprinted on.

[@AZ2PM]

But it's a fact. You getting offended doesn't mean it's not fact. "Almost 90 percent of college grads live in urban counties, with more than 60 percent of them in large metros with over one million people. Just a bit more than one in ten college graduates reside in rural communities." - Source: Bloomberg " The Talent Dividend in Urban and Rural Areas" What you seem to be confusing is that people born in rural areas aren't necessarily dumber. It simply means as people attain degrees and become more highly educated, they move to cities as that's where they can get jobs and earn the most. This is exactly what he means when he says people are less rational. When you get offended or defensive about data you don't like, you ignore the clear reality - that is, you don't apply rational thought. Get out of your feelings Mike, Shane and Ben.

[@bickyboo7789]

@@AZ2PM Where else could they find a job with those useless Liberal Arts and Gender Studies degrees?

[@ericfarina3935]

Part of the problem is the way many of these issues get lumped together, which is a product of the way we have our conversations and the format of contemporary media. A lot of people who try to stay engaged with modern issues, are only going to see clips, snippets, relatively brief articles, or other forms of media which due to their format may not be able to provide significant context. Our society is not set up to entertain deep, thoughtful intellectual conversations about important issues. Some studies have even shown that people often become more polarized when they are exposed to alternative perspectives. This is a result of the way we are having our conversations.

[@tk0rahl327]

Not many people talking about the study/idea that maybe because the volcanic activity has slowed that the atmosphere is thinning. We have holes in the atmosphere that's not something that makes since if we are adding too much to the atmosphere.

[@fisterbailey]

When you believe your morally or ethically right. It’s easy to point out other peoples hypocrisy. It’s difficult for people to realize their own.

[@Luvurenemy]

Maybe my moral claims, with my hypocrisy included, exist in tension with every other human’s moral claim and hypocrisy. This is the only objective reality. Hypocrisy is the air and a moral claim is the fuel for the combustion engine of existence.

[@hdhdhdhhdhdhhdhdhf3479]

Lmao Pinker had been to epstein island, he’s a monster

[@DrBe-zn5fv]

also it's quite difficult to parse the diff between your, you,re, there, they're, their, could have/could of etc etc .. when you only have half brain, one does find..tragically..

[@corycampbell189]

Bringing up Epstein seemed to have really struck a nerve in him.

[@jimmythecrow]

because hes part of it, his name is on the list

[@xTheReapersSpawn]

@@jimmythecrow Exactly. Keep an eye on Chomsky too. Who pushes for what is important in times like this...

[@Hvislysettarosss]

@@xTheReapersSpawn Really? Noam Chomsky? Please don't ...

[@hulkhogan4218]

@@Hvislysettarosss Chomsky is and always was controlled opposition.

[@seanmcization]

I wonder why? Hmm has he been to the island? Is he connected to Harvard ? Did Epstein give millions of dollars to Harvard? These are rational questions, what's the rational conclusion?

[@baraka256]

Pinker laughed every time you said f*ck . I think he found that funny 😂

[@patrickb360]

The whole podcast with him was painful.

[@jackmariner]

I like that he equates cities with education and suburbs and rural area with uneducated people who just haven’t been reached yet. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

[@Rai3]

How’s he wrong? People in the city have more resources

[@jackmariner]

@@Rai3 resources don’t make you more educated. There are plenty of good high schools and colleges in rural areas lmao. Remember when the United States spent $3 billion developing a ball point pen that could write in space, and Russia used a pencil? Resources don’t mean you’re intelligent.

[@Rai3]

@@jackmariner resources not as in school but access to information and speed of information. Like which area do you think gets more data? Also, poverty rates are higher in rural areas than urban areas.

[@King_Flippy_Nips]

@@Rai3 really? so farms with millions of dollars of heavy equipment are poorer than cities which contain slums, i'd like to see your evidence, cities attract poor people and the homeless, how many homeless encampments do you encounter in the country? your evidence most likely comes from the census, inner city poor people are more likely to ignore the census and the census does not count the homeless.

[@Rai3]

@@King_Flippy_Nips Lol you act like people in the rural areas invented this farming equipment and aren’t being operated by farming corporations. According to the United States Department of Agriculture Economic Research Service, in 2019 15.4% of people living in rural areas had an income below the federal poverty line, while those living in urban areas had a poverty rate of 11.9%. You ever driven through rural towns facing blight, or looked at the health outcomes of rural towns?

[@jeffmutrie227]

It's interesting to see Stephen Pinker's projection. He's calling out everyone who he disagrees with saying you can't change their minds with evidence. He's saying that everything he believes is correct. He already knows you're wrong and he's right.

[@Sabrebabres]

Leftism. Poor people are brainwashed and think they’re better than everyone.

[@basengelblik5199]

Are you listening at all? He is asking to challenge your own belief system. My question to you ... Have you ever tried? Truly tried? I did and I changed my mind when it comes to religion completely.

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

@@basengelblik5199 I did listen. He used the 'right wing' as an example for every single point he made while not once incriminating anybody else, or himself.

[@invanorm]

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 Well, has it ever occurred to you that maybe he is correct? Perhaps leave your biases at the door and listen to guy. Truly listen, without knee jerk responses that are really just manifestations of your ego. Then, after really embodying his viewpoint for a while, formulate your response honestly. If you still think he’s full of shit so be it but a little empathy goes a long way. If you expect people to be charitable to you be charitable to them too. This obviously applies to Pinker as well, who could always do a better job, as we all could.

[@dbearden3232]

Calling out people who believe in PizzaGate literally during the same week of the trial of ghislaine maxwell is a bold move. PizzaGate may in and of itself a little crazy but still... Bold. Move.

[@justinjones3918]

It was ALWAYS like this, the tech just allows us to see it all at once.

[@brittany677]

Very well put!! Thank you!!

[@andrewpinkham9904]

I was dating a woman that was a liberal in the puritanical sense.being someone that’s open to persuasion has given me perspectives on both political spectrums.she became hysterical when I tried to show her evidence she was wrong.obviously things didn’t work out

[@short0811]

I know I'm being anecdotal but a Liberal was irrational? Weird.

[@jonathansoko1085]

I am with a now christian ex gay dominican woman whos pretty far left and is also a teacher. We dated prior to all that decent into madness, the lady even had a MURAL of biden in her house 🤣, she knew exactly my stance on all that, being a traditional catholic. In less than a year all those belifes exploded and she was stuck with some free loading woman living in her house. Shes a rare case of her experiencing ALL that far left stuff and having it all explode on her, and she came to reality all on her own. Its good she experienced it first hand though rather than just me staying on her about it. Everythings pretty good now, shes very rational these days

[@palloiblu840]

@@jonathansoko1085 ex-gay? I thought that was a born thing hahahah

[@stockontruthchannel2631]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGqboWqsfapnhdE The media don't want you to see thiso

[@stockontruthchannel2631]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGqboWqsfapnhdE The media don't want you to see thisk

[@buzzbuzzard3809]

If you still mock conspiracies at this point you're probably not the beacon of rationality you think you are

[@carterwebster5866]

It’s the old adage. if it goes wrong you’re crazy, if it goes right you’re a genius. It’s best to stay true to what you you believe in deep down. Of course there’s just naive people that enjoy the oh so powerful drug of blissful ignorance. But if you can rationally conclude through studies and facts that what you believe in is a good cause that you can whole heartedly support. This man seems fairly intelligent and well spoken. He might be a bit naive to conspiracies. But let’s be honest 80-90% of conspiracies are bullshit. Some have truth but u use facts and evidence to prove them not a hunch.

[@buzzbuzzard3809]

@@carterwebster5866 I would elaborate further but KZbin deletes my comments lol

[@jlindsay]

48 Laws of Power | Robert Greene | The Cult | kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2OzoH58qrOLlZI ?v ssdsd34asda

[@mooneymakes359]

We need Jesus.

[@ryanduckering]

This is the best comment. At this point I think all of us have a fantastic nose for utter made up bullshit theories VS the very easily demonstrable shady conspiracy bullshit going on in our world. Lumping them both together has been a standard tactic to dismiss the blatant exposure of real world criminal behaviour and conspiracy.

[@cjpayne2385]

I was like why is joe interviewing Skip bayless

[@teacup3064]

This ep is Joe Rogan running conspiracy theories with Steven Pinker

[@philliphensley7748]

I love when people immediately throw "conspiracy theories" out the window, like they alone know exactly how life works.

[@cdbz20]

9/11

[@Peterdeskater100]

@@cdbz20 what about it?

[@chop471]

I love when conspiracy theorists immediately call everyone else blind sheep, like they alone know exactly how life works.

[@rhodesphotoco]

There’s some crazy conspiracies going around that Pinker was tight with a certain Jeffrey Epstein...what a bunch of crazies 😜

[@san4os94]

@@Peterdeskater100 i could name a coyple off the top of my head, like the origin of the vaarus and the vaccine passports. Only a year ago these were considered crazy conspiracy theories.

[@MrChristopherRoos]

"There isn't a cabal of pedophiles .... in the democrat party" ... Dude, Steven, You're literally in the Netflix movie about Epstein.

[@KRIPP548]

I wonder what his take is on the Cuomo brothers.... LOL

[@quietquitter6103]

@@KRIPP548 He probably feels about the Cuomos like the rest of ua feel about Willy Wonka or puppies.

[@katanaman444]

"the democrat party" ...Dude, Christopher, Trump is literally in the photos of Epstein.

[@markhillaryclinton7626]

@@katanaman444 they are all scum

[@alexcarlone7967]

@@katanaman444 of course he conveniently leaves that out

[@andrewray5296]

The left is the way, right is hilarious

[@abelgonzalez3793]

Thinking is a soundless dialogue between me and myself. It is different from logical reasoning, which is focused on a finite and identifiable goal?

[@phantasmosisphantasmosis8041]

a very rational question for anyone out there: why was Mr. Pinker on a certain notorious sex traffickers plane?

[@barrygnatek5139]

Yes, that’s a very rational question.

[@TheMrBranford]

@joe rogan why didn’t you ask Steve?

[@aronean]

>these people believe that pedos run the government This isn’t far fetched anymore

[@agi2160]

@@aronean 🥴

[@ASH-cn7qs]

he has needs

[@primurph]

It's good to see someone who is right about everything.Hopefully he can get people who are wrong about everything to realize how wrong they are.It's a very noble cause to get those who disagree with you to stop being deniers.

[@S3NTRY]

lol

[@mikelarochemusic4693]

Bro exactly my thoughts. Thus dude reeks of thinking he's the smartest guy in every space

[@truthviolatescommunityguid3019]

He kind of redeemed himself a lil bit at the end of this clip though. I am curious to hear his thoughts on the covid scamdemic . Would love to hear him try to protect the establishment & their AUTHORITARIAN BS we can smell from miles away.

[@jlindsay]

48 Laws of Power | Robert Greene | The Cult | kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2OzoH58qrOLlZI ?vd ssd43asdfsa

[@andrewandrus3296]

LOL

[@zalllon]

I think the challenge I have with Pinker is while he speaks of a balanced debate (I listened to Spotify version) is that the way he speaks of conspiracies categorically. The concern I have with that is how does one decide what falls under conspiracy and what can be considered a rational position. The minute your position differs with another that is considered “a mainstream belief”, you get put in the conspiracy bucket.

[@abelfonseca]

Evidence.

[@Znagol]

Post his book in the description.

[@trashygit]

This Pinker character is an invaluable mouthpiece of the establishment.

[@gdub8568]

Exactly, if it were a hundred years ago he would be saying that eugenicists are rational and people who doubt it are idiots. CO2 driven anthropogenic climate change is a theory, not a fact.

[@Asubatsu]

@@gdub8568 This, there is a natural cycle, however they like to whine we DO NOT have the data to even slightly suggest we are having an impact with our emissions.

[@hackdotx4060]

"Alexa, what religion does Stephen Pinker belong to?"

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

@@hackdotx4060 it's almost like he was chosen for this role

[@maxrockatansky2003]

The establishment hate him. Especially the far left.

[@JohnR22926]

A hypothetical. People I don’t like, who have lied to me for decades, come up with a new “scary” thing that sounds an awful lot like the lies they’ve told me before. Furthermore, most of their predictions have failed to come true. And now I’m supposed to accept it because THEY claim it’s based on science.

[@jameswood7207]

@ndjfksnwvehsbdjckvkkfss then why are you here?

[@stefanyellowcurry1011]

Zip it, NPC

[@NeutralGloomBot]

As a curiosity, could you list some of the "scary" things we have been warned about by "them" while also saying who "they" are and then give documented proof of things we were lied to about? I kind of am done with baseless claims like yours because you didn't say anything at all. Give me details not just "they lied" because which they and what lie? These things matter when you are trying to make a point. And don't just say "the government" specify who in the government and what they lied about.

[@kristapendergrassguardascione]

Climate change isnt denied by the "right wing" Caused by humans and can be stopped by intervention of humans is ridiculous in its huberous...yeah climate change is obvious, inevitable, and humans cannot stop what is happening to the entirety of our solar system. Humans arent responsible for the warming of the whole solar system are we????

[@muthafukajones1513]

@ndjfksnwvehsbdjckvkkfss You are paid troll and we are onto you. JRE is a threat to the information establishment. And you are here solely to sow division.

[@jm5386]

Interesting conversation, I like the premise of the conversation. I think Joe made the better points, not sure on the rational (reason) of Mr Pinkers points. Going to have to do a bit more follow up so I can get a grasp on his biases as they read ever so subtly in his presentation. It’s always better, I think, if you put forward a proposition, you need to do so with some foundational theory or position.

[@venture3800]

What he says at 13:28 about how the govt declares stuff. The way the WHO and health authorities in the US handled all the info in the pandemic is a great example of this. Honestly the way our govt disburses information in general could use a lot of improvement

[@birdfellas]

The hardest part of being wrong is thinking you’re right.

[@JJ-pb1kr]

The hardest part of being right is thinking you're wrong. There, now it becomes a shoe.

[@avidadolares]

@@JJ-pb1kr or... the hardest part of being right...is actually BEING RIGHT.

[@Loganl1980]

The hardest part of being right is admitting you've been wrong.

[@AXharoth]

nothing hard about that

[@AaBb-zj2ld]

the hardest thing about being right is all those that are wrong and a kabal of rich elite that pay a media to propghandise the people around you.

[@s0m3cunt91]

The Elephant in the room is called Emotional Immaturity, the root cause and another discussion that needs to be had.

[@rynolascavio3381]

Just look at the literal clown show of guests on CNN or MSNBC to know emotional maturity is GONE. Im not joking, they look like literal CLOWNS!

[@24base]

Very true. Most Human beings have difficulty being objective. You realise that most people are willfully irrational because the truth does not align with what they want to be true.

[@dsptchr]

Muh Emotional Immaturity. Imagine adopting female shame tactics because you don't have actual arguments.

[@donaldorizzo.9952]

Lack of personality recognition is also a big problem that falls in line with this

[@bradspitt3896]

There's three issues IMO: Pride: when you can't look inward and reconsider your own convictions and identity, then you *must* presuppose the outsider is guilty. This leads to things like mind reading (racism, X-ism), or just willfull ignorance (doubling down). It's tribalism. Nominalism: the belief that all of our categories are purely social constructs and that the meaning of words, our ethics, etc, are constantly in flux. This means that words to them are simply a means to an end: power. They change definitions when they don't like connotations, or euphemize narratives simply to appeal to pathos like Mark Ruffalo using the Rittenhouse's assailants nickname, and refusing to use the P word because of the negative connotation. Ask the Nominalist if they believe in any universal categories, or ask them to define anything and they won't do it. They killed Socrates because he kept asking people to define words. Fear: lots of black pills going around because the sources of knowledge (media outlets) people thought were trustworthy were in fact not, and losing your source of knowledge creates a lost feeling and lots of anxiety. People would rather act like it's not happening.

[@1notgilty]

I love Joe Rogan but I must say that Stephen Pinker's classification of 9/11 Truthers among the groups that are irrational and illogical is misplaced and actually contradicts rationality and logic based upon real evidence. The collapse of Building 7 is one of the best examples of cognitive dissonance. Pinker appears to have fallen into the very group-think trap that he argues against. Some conspiracies are real and belief in their existence is based on a logical review of the facts. Joe should have called out Pinker on that distinction.

[@youmothershouldknow4905]

JRE taking a break from the cavalcade of the insane with Pinker as a guest. Welcome 🙏 relief 😮‍💨.

[@padfinancial1781]

As soon as he said you get less educated people moving to rural areas he discredited himself, this is a proven fallacy.

[@AlyseNicoleO]

I'd say less indoctrinated in rural areas. So much of education is simply believing what teachers say.

[@mtgbrewery7239]

@@AlyseNicoleO well said.

[@ChineseFentanyl]

Yeah this guy is delusional, people who live in the rural areas are smarter than city folk by a mile

[@hingle_mccringleberry]

Are you saying people in rural areas have more useless advanced degrees than people in urban areas with hundreds of thousands of dollars of student debt? I thought you said rural people were smarter

[@padfinancial1781]

@@hingle_mccringleberry if you think a degree and debt are the only measures of intelligence . . . You might be urban 🤔

[@andrews042]

Im against anything I'm not allowed to talk about. All of the hot button issues that get you cancelled are indicators that the subject is being curated. In the same way, if you want to know who's in power, find out who you aren't allowed to criticize.

[@ACTHdan]

I just want to eat and pay bills.

[@mooneymakes359]

We need Jesus.

[@westonscheer5691]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGbPfXl3od9nnMU

[@neversleep8820]

Bro wtf. I literally watched this when it first was uploaded and all the comments were about his connection to a certain billionaire island man that enjoys youthful flesh. All these comments just disappeared.

[@andrews042]

@@westonscheer5691 I'm not getting my instructions about angels and demons from John Hagee, thanks

[@davida5379]

To INSTANTANEOUSLY ARGUE!! That statement is SO on point.

[@peacehunter26]

pinker is demonstrating the role and importance philosophy use to play in governing science. rogan demonstrated how small lies by elites lead to doubt of other more impactful theories that involve loss of personal freedom or autonomy

[@TheGmoneyless420]

Well you can see where this podcast is going almost immediately!

[@Earthad23]

You’re too political

[@foodismedicinedummy7107]

It's funny how all the guys that were on those Epstein flight logs or known to have gone to his Island always talk s*** about conspiracy theories.. lol. Cuk

[@MarchelloMastrayani]

LOL 💯😂😂😂

[@stevend481]

What do you mean?

[@Jay9999]

Yup

[@tylerstraka1010]

You can believe in humans affecting the atmosphere to a certain extent while also believing there are politicians trying to exploit that idea for drastic changes in law and power.

[@greattribulation1388]

Yes you can. But a crises? That’s the huge giveaway. Never let a crisis go to waste. Even a manufactured one. This is nothing nothing more than the reichstag fire

[@scottymeffz5025]

But not that politicians are being paid to deny the science right? It would be stupid to believe the politician who accepted campaign donations from big oil, would deny fact-based climate science because of those 'donations' yeah?

[@greattribulation1388]

@@scottymeffz5025 lol, you could say the same about big green. It’s become a far bigger political machine than big oil. Bet you can’t tell me the reason why.

[@scottymeffz5025]

@@greattribulation1388 Me? no, I can't tell you why. But the people you are being misguided by sure can. Get milked much?

[@greattribulation1388]

@@scottymeffz5025 mmm no. Not misguided just know that everything is a sham. Serious question though. Do you know how unprofitable green energy was, is and will be? So poor that they literally have to sell futures. How to you make futures a sure thing? Eliminate the competitors. How? Fossil fuels are bad. Now, do a little research, and see which politicians are heavily invested in green energy. Seriously. Look at it. And draw you own conclusions.

[@RP-jo1yj]

I have a wood sauna outside, and I enjoy it so much everyday! My best buy ever, besides my sportscar!

[@gatstuf5226]

One of the best intellectuals unbiased and knowledgeable, hope we'll see Jordan Peterson, Jonathan Haidt here too.

[@lurch4u]

The guy who wrote a book about rational thinking just said that “scientists and experts aren’t willing enough to show their work”, while simultaneously any dissenting viewpoint, study, or evidence is censored or discredited. Joe, you seem more likely to play hardball when your own reputation is on the line (Gupta), but this guy gets zero pushback. Disappointing.

[@westonscheer5691]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGbPfXl3od9nnMU

[@theycallmefingers2]

Joe was a flop in this interview, very sad.

[@OnPointFirearms]

You're spot on! Zero pushback.

[@guitaristdotcom]

Your right. Rogan played very nicely with Pinker, but he was all over Gupta.

[@smokingcrab2290]

Joe simps for people like this

[@LisaFrostPhoto]

The problem is, in order to be rational you need to *always* leave open the possibility that you could be wrong in your beliefs and assumptions, as the most irrational people are the ones absolutely sure they are right, and this guy does not seem like he's open to being wrong. (And just because someone makes a better argument doesn't necessarily mean they are correct.) I personally believe we are having an impact on the climate, but I certainly could be wrong. While the most outlandish conspiracies are probably unlikely to be true, that doesn't mean they are impossible, so just because I don't believe them likely doesn't mean I can 100% say they are BS, because there sure is a lot of stuff I don't know, and don't even know I don't know!

[@artistp8211]

Exactly, also he made the some sort of comment when he referred to the pope and convincing him that Jesus isn’t the son of god. I could be wrong but it seemed to me as if he was saying it as you were saying, he couldn’t be wrong. Just came off as arrogant in my opinion. I know there are many rational arguments against religion but in the end we all know a small amount compared to the universe

[@nkxseal8398]

I’d like to think most people believe in ideas from both sides of politics but the media constantly stokes to push the two sides apart and create division. I hate to identify myself as one or the other because it generates an idea of what I believe to someone that is false, I would now just say ask me what my stance is on something and I’ll give my opinion.

[@booperdee2]

the only way to know is with communication. i suspect that the real essence of "climate denial" is people trying to avoid the possibility of government intervention. Scepticism, even if its deeply rooted to disbelieving everything, is very important. Calling it irrationality is a propaganda game.

[@austinharlow8672]

if you think steven pinker wouldnt alter his position on climate change, or any stance with data, or evidence, you are highly mistaken

[@smithcs790]

like new data about which belief to support would serve his interests best?

[@7856841]

6:54 LMAO considering how rogan posted him cooking over an open fire just yesterday

[@henmat3000]

So the moral is to hold your beliefs and opinions lightly because they can change if you are wrong.

[@jean-paulladage635]

Hi Joe! Coming from The Netherlands, I can tell you politicians here form coalitions and the leading parties still are able to create division. When viewing the debates I see they are focused on managing public opinion. Sincerely and openly posed concerns are dismissed using communication techniques known by any NLP expert. The structure of debates with limited interrupts and limited time helps the establishment to get away with almost anything. On one side it's funny to watch, but realizing those people actually decide how we should behave and comply really give me the creeps. I see them in ensemble with the media using traumatisation as a weapon on the citizens. Thanks for another interesting interview! Keep doing what ya doing :)

[@spiritualpolitics8205]

The far bigger threat right now, by several orders of magnitude, is the globalist institutionalist left, which has a stranglehold on most of the West's power centers and relentlessly OCDs about covid beyond all statistical literacy.

[@mouwersor]

I am also from the Netherlands and can attest to this. Political debates are pure rhetoric and never attempt to bridge the fundamental gaps between different positions.

[@dicegamenetwork]

Joe not finna read this bruh.

[@spiritualpolitics8205]

@@mouwersor I agree this is largely the case however it does not quite account for the verity that people do in fact change their minds in the course of a lifetime -- just perhaps not in real time during a debate very often. People shift by listening to and reading and thinking through the arguments. Some people anyway. A certain (depressingly) large % are incapable of independent thought, or too scared to front the essential dishonesty of their positions.

[@Bcosmo555]

I’m from Canada and can say the same thing here unfortunately. Although we have 6 main political parties there are only two dominant parties that pass the torch back and forth. Until a government can implement rank choice voting there’s not much benefit to a multi party system. And corporate money needs to be removed from politics for democracy’s sake

[@jacobhess3n327]

I can almost guarantee you can show this guy data on multiple subjects that oppose his beliefs and he will have just as much cognitive dissonance as every group he is accusing of denying facts

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

Sure pal...

[@suivzmoi]

why are you talking about yourself in the 3rd person

[@willjames6609]

He literally dismisses others who are informed, then claiming it's "they have religion". Tiring.

[@johnqpublic407]

Yup. Nobody, more than myself, wants to believe in the faxine's. I know 5 people with immediate and indicative, life impacting (including death) impacts. In canada, health care is "free". But my spouse was on a 2 year wait list, to have a painful joint operation. Yet I saw friends/family and "special's" get in for same or less immediately. And also in canada, some of the most environmentally, ethically, employee safe and morally conscious resource extraction is shelved for enviro "issues", but Saudi , the Africa's, India, Chyna can blight the earth to import back into Canada, the same or even worse, quality of resources. When you realize the dissonance, you can never unsee the agenda. You realize you are collateral damage in their game. And they don't care.

[@Lurtz14301]

@@johnqpublic407 dude I like you haha. You’ve clearly done some research and although I wouldn’t say you or I are 100% correct I’ve came to the same conclusions on vaccines and the environment.

[@deliahypatia1216]

Ben from Suspicion Observer, he would be an interesting guest in regards to climate change.

[@sillydogs5719]

I love how this guy states how you need to be open minded about other viewpoints and then also states how ridiculous other peoples viewpoints are. 🤦🏻‍♂️.

[@Mahayanaddamean]

This guy exudes the exact characteristics he describes in his book; being irrationally & personally attached to his ideas, ignoring simple & plain empirical data and defending those ideas in the face of overwhelming substantive evidence. Simply put, he refuses to admit when he is wrong and watching him dance around and argue semantics reminds me of an intelligent 8 year old trying to prove how smart he is. I listened to the full podcast on Spotify and he is Incredibly frustrating to listen to.

[@InternetWarriorQwer]

Pinker seems totally unaware of how much of a hypocrite he comes across as in just a few short minutes. The man is clearly suffering from the illusion that he is a free-thinker with valuable ideas.

[@SineEyed]

What ideas did he defend here?..

[@theycallmefingers2]

And the straw-man attacks... Oh deer gawd the straw-man attacks!

[@droyal18able]

"We at the top of society have never been more rational" what a joke.

[@namnack]

@@droyal18able That's not what he said nor what he implied. Listen to it again.

[@jeffreytackett3922]

Most "right wing" people I know don't dismiss climate change as being real. They dismiss the idea that it may not be something we can control, may not be something we can resolve, may not be something we SHOULD resolve at the current cost, and most certainly is a way to siphon money out of the economy, into the hands of a select few. Even more concerning than the loss of "rationality", is the loss of "subtlety" in conversations. Someone once likened that lack of subtlety to tyranny, in fact.

[@sweetdangerzack]

Dude sniffs his own farts while he justifies his fear of exploring genuinely dangerous ideas in the name of "being rational," when in fact he's just being cucked by the cage of haughty, bourgeois expectations of his peers.

[@TonyTrupp]

For years they were arguing that it wasn’t even happening. Then they had to admit that yes it was happening, but they wouldn’t admit that humans were causing it. Now they admit that humans are causing it, but argue that we shouldn’t do anything about it. Good to see that they are slowly coming along to accepting it, but would be really nice to start hearing some solutions on the right to count the liberal proposals.

[@jeffreytackett3922]

@@TonyTrupp This way of thinking is so insanely flawed. If you can't make a point without the inverse being as (or more) damaging to your stance, you'd be well-advised to not say it. For instance, we are now approaching our 40th year of the ice caps existing past the point where we were told they would be gone. I'm still waiting for the complete decimation of the "ozone layer", which will bring about mass death due to heat and ultraviolet exposures, and it's been over 30 years. I haven't seen a single instance of "acid rain", which was put forth as something that was coming within a "few years", over 30 years ago. The point is, in case your piddly brain can't follow it, that you can't take the extreme stance of a few people, and attribute it to everyone who differs with your stance in some way. You can't even take the extreme stance of a bunch of people and attribute it all to everyone who shares some opinions with them. Rationality, reasonability, and most importantly ... SUBTELTY AND UNDERSTANDING, allow people to avoid these types of traps. I'd recommend you pull your head out of your ass long enough to ponder the reality that you might not actually know everything on this subject.

[@ErikaLaGrande]

When I was in college in the 80s, the thing then was that we were moving into a NEW ICE AGE! Climate changes, and how much humans impact that really hasn’t been determined. It’s all political and all about $$$.

[@damien1065]

My whole thing with climate change is how many of the catastrophists are vehemently against nuclear energy. Like if the world is going to end why not use nuclear? That’s why I don’t mind Pinker’s perspective on climate change so much, because he has a realistic solution. The rest of the podcast Pinker looks like a fool though.

[@sickofidiots4095]

CLASSICAL 100% EMPTY INSISTENCE.

[@TheCoatHangers]

I can rationally assume that Steven Pinker was very well involved with Jeffery Epstein.

[@lofttm969]

This guy is the literal embodiment of the fallacy of authority.

[@TheGuitarMonk]

I couldn't really listen after he asserted mRNA vaccines were evidence of rationality. They are evidence of little more than a corrupt news media, corrupt medical establishment and the desire of the government to eliminate both freedom and rationality.

[@erwind1257]

@@TheGuitarMonk The ultimate irony is that your childhood immunization schedule likely saved your life and enabled you to comment nonsense on KZbin.

[@NR-qr2vd]

@@erwind1257 can you see the irony?

[@Marc-io8qm]

@@erwind1257 you’re comparing legacy vaccines to these novel ones? Please don’t. Usual vaccine clinical trials last 8 years. These are novel tech and only had 5 months. Dig into the tech too.

[@Sergiuss555]

@@Marc-io8qm Why can't you compare? You just did. Some are older and have more data. There is clearly less certainly in the newer ones.

[@yiming624]

This guy is not promoting rationality, he is promoting technocracy and totalitarism based on "data"

[@Hooga89]

Which is what academics always do and how they even justify their power in the first place. Obviously an academic wants "data" and "competence" to rule the world, because he has a paper on his wall that conveniently says that he's one of the few people who are competent and have all the data.

[@jaycourtel4478]

Ugh this Technocratic agenda is getting annoying. Keep your eugenics away from me.

[@TheNickdotDK]

Straight facts, also his books are shit, right brained BS.

[@mrlunar62]

just to check, whats the definition of "technocracy"?

[@ThiccBoi23]

Lol no

[@treece1]

Joe needs to interview Alex Colier

[@chrisdouglas8504]

If Steven Tyler went into science instead of rock ‘n’ roll😂😂😂

[@TheUrbanbrute]

It’s not denial of climate change. It’s denial that the extent in which weather doomsayers have been predicting and wrong. And they are against the thought that a bunch of stupid politicians who can’t balance a budget should be given more money to “fix” the problem.

[@51gan788]

Climate and weather are two very different things. Also It's a bit of a myth that climate scientists have been getting all their predictions wrong. Occasionally the media will pick up on a prediction from 40 years ago that was particularly off. But most forecasts have actually been quite accurate. If anything, scientists have been alarmed by how much more quickly the planet has heated that they previously thought it would.

[@joshthe5]

They don’t need more money just stop subsiding fossil fuels and you would have billons. But we know the lobbyists won’t let that happen.

[@eveningstar7812]

There problem is conservatives are using media liberals blunders to debate real science by real scientists. It’s like the ‘global cooling’ fiasco that conservatives bring up to dismiss climate change, when in fact that was a media creation, not scientists.

[@joshthe5]

@Matt the company’s can fund themselves and the money the government gives them can go towards renewables, research and innovation etc. did I say anywhere to shutdown and stop using fossil fuels immediately?

[@joshthe5]

@Matt your clear don’t know what a subsidy is and what im talking about.