Casemiro Is FINISHED! 5 Things We Learned... Crystal Palace 4-0 Man United

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Here are 5 things we learned (or didn't) about yesterdays horrific 4-0 loss to Crystal Palace...
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[@ryang2819]

The Amad Diallo situation is really weird, he's a young talent who had a good loan spell and when he plays looks relatively bright. However, he's not been given much of a chance despite nearly all our wingers performing so poor.... makes no sense.

[@d.b.cooper1]

Someone said Ten Hag shadow banned Diallo which cracked me up. He's done everything asked of him despite a big price tag for a young lad that would crush most players. On & off the pitch attitude wise he has it all. If I was his agent I'd be getting him a move.

[@steve13191]

it’s not weird. ten hag has relationship with antony and spent 80 million on him. benching him would be admitting that ten hag made a mistake. you know what ten hag is like, he is allergic to accountability. always somebody else’s fault

[@ivanaleksandartsanev1693]

@@steve13191 Same goes for Ten Hag fanboys.

[@pabloalvarez2967]

@@d.b.cooper1and I wouldn’t blame him in the slightest. How we’ve handled his development is a joke, same with Pellistri even if talent wise they aren’t on the same level. Like what was the point in keeping him if despite the injuries and form you won’t give him a go. It’s not like he’s played before and had no impact or been poor he has a positive impact almost every single time and is the only winger actually looking to create.

[@TheAbstract35]

@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693both suck anyways smh

[@maber2k8]

It’s almost a form of sadism watching United content after a loss like that. But here we are 😂

[@DannyG-cv8so]

In 1 year Classemiro has turned into Assemiro😂

[@steve13191]

imo we are actually numb because i dont even remember how many times we got demolished. under ole it was the wheels fell off we thought we were close to challenging and we werent. under this fraud, we think at least i think, how much worse could it get before we pull the trigger. do we value winning fa cup or giving ten hag the final to him? if this is a serious club a new manager would take the final. ten hag has no chance. we turn up just to get battered at wembley. why?

[@jfader]

It’s more like a therapy group I find! 👹

[@tomnorton7817]

Depends on who you support…

[@ste4392]

Haha tbh when we get beat I just need a good moan, get it out my system, so it's always good for Howson to pick it apart for me 😅

[@robertmansell3667]

Whether ETH is the problem or not,INEOS CANNOT under any circumstances allow this group of players determine another manager’s future without repercussions.

[@dadajulius6489]

I like your comment. It's quite deep and I agree with you.

[@robjones1520]

Here, here.

[@apollo180]

ONANA, Christiansen and Casemiro were just awful. So sad from what they used to be except Onana he’s always been trash with us. .

[@thebiglebrowski3695]

Which ones? The ones Ten Hag brought in? Lmao 7 of the players who played against Palace were Ten Hag signings. Can't keep blaming the players. "It was Di Maria" "It was Lukaku" "It was Pogba" "It was Ronaldo" " It was De Gea" "It was Sancho" "It is Rashford" ... turns out, it wasn't all them at all.

[@robertmansell3667]

The point is it’s wasn’t Van Gaal,or Jose,or Ole,or Ralf either! It’s been the dramatic decline in the club’s standards and the handing of power from manager to players,ETH wanted Kane and De Jong,but was given Casemiro and Hojlund,He didn’t buy them,the Club payed way too much for both of them,his first two signings were Martinez and Malacia who have had very unfortunate injuries,is he the right man,I’m not sure,but since Sir Alex and David Gill departed EVERYTHING the club stood for has been allowed to slip,that’s on the Glazer’s,hopefully INEOS will try and start to at least put the foundations in for a properly run football team,they’ve already made some decent appointments in the back rooms now they need stop the ridiculous contracts and wages that have been handed out,that have hampered every single manager since SAF.

[@Renatoioi]

that Tuanzebe masterclass vs PSG wont be forgotten

[@johnmitchell2269]

Performing badly with players out of position due to injuries is one thing. But players not putting in the effort and seemingly lacking the belief they can win a match, is a huge concern.

[@FREE_WILL_DEFENDER]

Idc what manager we have, we have to get rid of these players

[@enodd_felix12]

what players?????....it was his players that played

[@markf4258]

@@enodd_felix12 I think a manager should be allowed make mistakes in the transfer window. I hope the new footballing structure will help improve that

[@ivanaleksandartsanev1693]

​@@markf4258 When you are spending 60-80-100 million on a single player, you aren't allowed to make mistakes. The best clubs, directors, managers don't make mistakes. If they do, they aren't really the best. Our fans have forgotten quickly what it means to be the best.

[@jiggersotoole7823]

100% wrong.

[@FREE_WILL_DEFENDER]

@@enodd_felix12 rashford isnt his mctonminay isnt his martial isnt his wan bissaka isnt his, lindelof isnt his, dalot isnt his, casemiro was a club panic buy, Maguire wasn't his, varane wasn't his. So wtf you talking about?

[@rafael070895]

If Ten Hag goes and the players stay, then what's the point?

[@stephentrotter8895]

100 % correct

[@JB-td9fz]

Non pal. Same trodden roas again isn't it.

[@martinwalker6172]

Well he signed quite a few of them so there's that. Rashford needs to go along with probably 60% of the squad but we won't be able to offload him or many of our other overpaid, useless players.

[@91dwest]

Exactly. No point in sacking one man when the problems run so much deeper than the surface-level manager aspect

[@kush-rx3qj]

Your very right the players need to go I'd keep about 4 of them ten haags got to go aswel blatantly not good enough

[@LT212-24]

Last nights game made me feel like I was watching 2 people play fifa….. whoever was playing as United looked like they was still learning the buttons

[@dadajulius6489]

Couldn't resist laughing. You are absolutely right. Those United players were horrendous against Crystal Palace.😂

[@oldjoeclarke.]

Perfect comment 👌

[@Marty-Rockstar]

Howd you know they didn't just have lag issues?

[@LT212-24]

@@Marty-Rockstar maybe, intenet provide been having issues since august by looks of it

[@martinlewis967]

Most of the team were 70 rated

[@charliewilliams6074]

Starting to think some of the injuries aren’t real this many players pulling themselves out cannot believe this many players are unavailable

[@jacka3080]

Players who werent good enough years ago are still at the club. EtH is by no means blameless, but what is the point of continually changing managers instead of the playing staff that down tools whenever things get a little difficult.

[@felis1672]

If some of these are still here at the start of next season then we are ferked

[@slashssnakepit4444]

Exactly mate. Nobody can argue that if Maguire and McTominay had left and we’d used the money on upgrades, we wouldn’t be in a much stronger position. It’s easy to criticise the style of play, but we have to allow for the fact that he’s forced to use players that we know can’t play to his style and who he actively tried to get rid of. Antony has been a poor transfer but if we had a Greenwood or a Sancho to fall back on he could be dropped for a decent amount of time to allow him to find his feet. Casemiro has been dog shit this season but nobody was predicting that after his performance last season, trouble is with our shambles of a squad and the injuries he has to play regardless of form. Pep cycles through players until he finds the ones that work so we can’t suddenly pretend Tommy Tickles would walk in win the league with this squad.

[@rebekah4679]

And if we keep a clueless manager, even new players won't do anything

[@felis1672]

​@slashssnakepit4444 agree, plus the fact that the team is packed with the slowest players in the league

[@antgod4444]

I agree, everyone at the club needs to be better/doing better but the manager has to get something out of the players. Repeating the same bad ideas with no risks or fresh thoughts and sticking with Antony and always playing the wrong midfield and not trying something different in a tough injury situation in defense. We all know how good AWB is at tackling, would he make more sense than Case at CB? Amass on the left, Dalot on the right and hope Case can do better in his regular position? Why isn't ETH managing? I don't know the answer but that's not my job, as maanger ETH should be trying to find an answer and he simply isn't. 😂 Life as a Utd fan is tough at the moment

[@ryanmwestate]

Put casemiro in the inter side and he will look like the best DM in the world. Many united fans thought ibra was finished cause he had a bad six months, he then went on to play another 5 years at a very high level, same with Ashley young whos still going at 39, alexis sanchez performed well after leaving us and got 18 goals last season, nemanja matic left us and did excellent for roma, chris smalling too. Man utd is the problem, not casemiro. We are doing well to even have a player of his calibre, what we need to do is get some proper midfielders alongside him, and a coach who plays a system which doesnt isolate him and leave him with his weaknesses exposed. Hes still world class.

[@mo121184]

100% agree. It’s bloody annoying. Any player in this world would struggle under this United team. ETH doesn’t even fix the problem. And yet fans wanna keep him. Ok you keep him and then you gonna have to sack half way through next season… then the new manager has to wait next summer to buy his players. It’s the best time to get a new manager. Simple as that.

[@ErrmNoo]

1st thing we learnt...we didn't learn.

[@markedmondson394]

I think Ten Hag would do all right at Bayern . Things are so rotten at the club thanks to the Glazers it’s more than just Ten Hag. I don’t know who will want the job with so many managers with good reputations failing there.

[@justanobserver9132]

Online fan base is fickle

[@_SIRENITY_]

Agreed. Online fans is usually the place for the worst opinions. Look at Talksport chat section full of wollys mate

[@TheNaz1996]

Yes they are. Can’t stand them

[@LT212-24]

But yet here we all online with them 😂

[@buniethefirst]

You’re online too dummy.

[@philiq18]

They're whiny and it's annoying.

[@Ligerpride]

Anthony versus Barcelona and knocking them out of the Europa league, admittedly the 2nd string European tournament and admittedly a playoff round, was similar to PSG under Solskjaer. It's all gone downhill since that match.

[@DanielNye-os2cf]

If only De Gea had saved one of those 11 or 12 pens in that Villarreal shoot out, Ole would still in the job I reckon.

[@barrypos55]

We have bought/signed 'Has beens' I'm not including Jonny Evans as I'm sure he played because there was no one else. We are actually dreadful. ETH is so entrenched in his 'system'... I'm was an ETH in but Ive changed now......ETH out.

[@dannysabbath2562]

We need to keep Mainoo and Garnacho out of the squad for now. These senior players are ruining them.

[@spencerchapmanbarra7888]

Both Mainoo and Garnacho are catching the disease. Remove the bad apples before the whole lot gets rotten

[@btomlinson21]

It’s not so much that I want to talk about last nights game- it’s more about I enjoy listening to Howson speak the truth about how I think the majority of our fans our feeling right now. We value YOUR honest opinions Ste!

[@daverobson2204]

just play the kids PLEASE They may lose but we will not take that against them Just show passion

[@user-pu1ds4gy4x]

It could be ETH would not mind finishing 8th so he could focus on the league, he knows next season will be his last chance if he stays

[@ivanaleksandartsanev1693]

And when he inevitably has us even worse next season, I want all of you manager apologists to stop supporting this club. Because clearly most of you are suffering from mental disorders and you are infatuated with the manager position in our football club. It's like those promiscuous girls that had their father leave them (Sir Alex) and now you can't stop looking for the same kind of love in any shape or form in front of you.

[@JayKayDowdall]

Yeah it was nice to win in Paris, but we went and lost the next round and got readily knocked out. Not sure what Ste's point about talking about it is.

[@JayKayDowdall]

And what is the point of putting Ole in? It would be ridiculously embarrassing to lose after making that change. And then what? Keep Ole?... get rid of him? Why would he come back to manage one match.

[@Mdrnsamurai]

Solid, honest take Ste... Well done ..

[@thesmithsnerd]

It’s pointless even talking about United online when 90% of our fanbase is represented by 12yr olds and plastic kids that have never seen us win anything, have no reference point for what a Man Utd side looks like. You just get swarmed and told “you don’t know ball”, but for what it’s worth, from someone who’s been supporting Man Utd for over 30years; aside from Lisandro, Mainoo, and maybe Garnacho, none of this squad is fit to wear the shirt. None of them, not Bruno, not Rashford, none of them, they should be first out the door, don’t bring me your no-context stats, don’t care for them, I care for what I see, for what I know as a fan of this club since 1993, from my own personal standards within my own personality, and with what I’ve grown to know winners to look and feel like. Problem is, the club has grew accustomed to mediocrity over the last ten years, signed bad player after bad player, now you lot can’t even recognise a proper player, that’s why you cling to Bruno, you’re just relieved he’s not Fred, or McTom, or Fellaini. The bar is so low, how’s about this fanbase remember what the standards are. You don’t even need to look at Man Utd from back in the day, you can look at the top players now, look how they carry themselves, look how they lead, inspire, the Jude’s, De Bruyne’s, Mbappe’s. Watch winning sides, watch their top players, if you think the Rashford’s and Bruno’s are remotely on the same level, pack it in, just pack up, leave football alone.

[@garethdonohoe110380]

My seniments excatly

[@jaysparrow6631]

Time for a 90% player clear out as these players haven’t got a spine to create the spine for the team and there’s not enough leaders in the squad to keep each other in check and that’s what we’re missing.

[@phuston087]

Yep im a Utd fan since 89 and i couldnt agree more. Sick of little idiots telling me i dont know ball. Ive watched united for 30 years i know what a winning mentality looks like

[@IFrequency..]

In my opinion all though Bruno cry’s abit. He wears the badge

[@jeanjacqueslundi3502]

Don't be stupid. Bruno IS around KDB's level. Your shit club is just no place for a world class player to survive. You think KDB would magically make you mint? On his own? The fact you leave Mainoo and Garnacho out, when they play JUST AS BAD, jsut because they are new academy players is also revealing. So Rasmus can get the blame but not them? Lol The problem with your club is not just manager and players....I'd argue it's more about the FANS. You are right in that respect. You are so arrogant you didn't come to terms where your club was...and still felt entitled to be in the tops spots. You know the Glazers run your club into the grounhd, but still you scapegoat players. YOU my friend are the problem.

[@yass8849]

Last season Fred and McTominay were blamed for almost everything wrong at the club, this season it is Casemiro and Rashford. ETH and Mourinho have both said the current players are not good enough and have very little resale value. The recruitment needs to change. We need a better recruitment team at the club.

[@NinpoUK]

I back Ten Hag and think he should get his last season, but if there HAS to be a change, I'd absolutely want to see Ole under the Ineos hierachy. Ole got done dirty by United and was our best manager since Ferguson. I'll die on this hill.

[@mac10ner]

United fans still talking about PSG???? Went out in the next game 😂😂😂😂

[@russellperrett6828]

100% agree with all you said on OGS, I have been saying the same for months now.

[@phil7892]

Watching yours and Paddocks videos as a form of therapy Ste, keep up the great work best fan content about hands down🤝

[@craig1669]

Hojlund needs a partner. Someone to play with. He's not the excellence of execution that we need him to be. I desperately want to see us go back to a 442. Solid defensively and in the middle. 2 recognised strikers feeding from pacey tricky wingers. Partnerships all over the pitch. FB+W D+M M+S GK+D The hardest thing about watching Liverpools success is they did it our way! Strong defensively, with unrelenting attacks filled with pace and clinical strikes from any 1 of a number of players. All done as a team!! As a complete unit! Defending and attacking together as one. We are a long long way away from that. Next season doesn't bode well if we don't have a radical squad change in the summer. Getting rid of some may even be more important than who we replace them with in the long term.

[@DannyG-cv8so]

Classemiro has turned into Assemiro 😂 We aren’t even going nowhere fast, we are going nowhere very slowly.

[@theemotionalremix]

Shame on Sancho, man. If he apologized to Ten Hag, then he would've been battered 4-0 by Palace instead of playing in the Champions League Final. So selfish.

[@richardporter7657]

The club are currently going through every player from First team to under 8s to see if someone has a birthday so they can post something

[@SA78608]

Ole didn't have to go ! Just needed to stick with him But ETH, nothing he's done convinces me

[@footballslidestv]

If we have Martinez, Varane, Rashford, Shaw back before Wembley, I think we have more than a chance.

[@Pandafro13]

If we win Ten Hag should be given next season. If the results are the same next season let him go in January

[@deanhagan]

Always watch your content mate, never disagreed with the amount of points and facts you speak. And then scout reports are always on point and the players seem like good fits for the club. Hopefully can be back on top in the near future painfully and hard to watch the club I love being mocked week in week out.

[@andrewtomlinson5237]

The problem all season has been that ten Hag is a brilliant coach if he has the time to set the players up with structured training regimes. We saw it last season. Poor start, but when all those folders and plans started to work, and we got fairly lucky with injuries, we quickly turned it round and played some good football. We had no money in January when the inuries did start to compound and we struggled as the team went into unplanned rotation, but the core stayed strong and we got a good finish, FA Cup final not withstanding. This season has been the exact opposite, since before the start of the season we have been carrying long term injuries to key players, and most of the new players we brought in were injured before the first game of the season. I don't think the "Man With A Plan" has had the chance to implement the detailed team and individual training he is known for, due to the fact we don't know who will be fit till the morning of the game. None of that is an excuse by the way. What it has done is reveal that Ten Hag is not good enough at fixing things that are broken over the short term. i.e. Week to week. The question IS... do the board look at the circumstances surrounding the season we've had and show some understanding? Decide that if Ten Hag has better support in terms of medical and recruitment, and some better structure put in place to feed young players into the first team and provide more squad depth, he can do the job and give him his third year. Or do they start from scratch with a new young manager who is more up to speed with their way of running elite sporting organisations. Then again, I would not be surprised if there is a clause in his contract that says they can sack him if they fail to get a European berth for next season. If we keep sacking the manager and keeping the team, there is every chance that this will just keep happening.The players are behind the manager when its going well, and sack it off and turn of them when shit gets harder... maybe what the owners need to do is look at the past three managers, realise that there is a problem with player power and let the current manager sack the players who need to go, and we spend a year or two replacing those players with fit, reliable players who are not in it for the pay cheque.. Even IF that means losing some of our so called "Best" players

[@mundolioknows6447]

We haven't been "keeping same the team". He's had £400m in 2 seasons. He had a 3 year deal. He knew he had to get things moving from the start. That's why he was backed with signings he chose. It hasn't worked out. I'm not saying he has no excuses but come on, we're in 8th. We are now worse than Rangnick's season. Truly appalling.

[@andrewtomlinson5237]

@@mundolioknows6447 By "keeping the same team" I mean from match to match week to week, not the same squad. The reason it clicked last year was because we had a solid core of players. This year we have fielded at least 19 back four combinations. I had stopped counting at 18 a while ago, but the Evans Casemiro combo was another new one

[@mundolioknows6447]

@@andrewtomlinson5237 it's actually 31 combinations in defence, as ten hag insists on reminding everyone what the latest number is after every bad result. For me, the number of injuries points to a very poorly managed squad. I'm not putting all the blame on ten hag but he should have tackled this issue early on. On top of that, with the insane injuries and the players looking exhausted since the very start of the season, he shouldn't have changed the tactics. He wants to play a type of football that requires huge amounts of sprinting and high energy for the entire match. I believe the players haven't given up and kept trying to play his way, but there is only one game plan. The opposition knew how to beat from early in the season and he refuses to adapt the tactics to fit the players available - no matter how many shots we face, games we lose or injuries we get. That's truly poor management.

[@andrewtomlinson5237]

@@mundolioknows6447 Like I said before, we brought in what three? four? players at the start of the season who were carrying injuries. Madness. For me the most dangerous part of his actual plan is the lack of height. It's the same with Howson whenever he talks about "Great defenders" tehy are all about the ball playing skills, and not enough "Can he get his head on the ball from a corner?" fundamentals. We played our "best" team against Forest back at the start of the season and they killed us at set pieces. They scored from one of OUR corners for fucks sake... I still think with a proper operation around him instead of the car crash the Glazers have been operating he has a chance to do well. It remains to be seen if INEOS are prepared to give him the three years we keep saying every new manager should get, before then demanding to sack them after 2.

[@mundolioknows6447]

It was only hojlund that we brought in that was injured. Plus mainoo and Amad if you want to count them too because they didn't play for the first team last season. It's not just the injuries though. The ones that play don't look fit. That's why we burn out by the 20th minute in every game. The tactics are completely wrong. They have been all season. Right from the first match, every game has followed the same pattern, we come flying out of the blocks for 20 mins then descend into chaos; we see the same empty midfield, full backs way out of position, wingers isolated, can't put 3 passes together, concede 20 shots, concede straight after scoring etc. That is not down to players being lazy. That is mismanagement. And that's why I don't think we should give him another year. He's in his final year anyway, who's going to want to sign for a manager that's on thin ice in his last year?

[@Raskalat]

Rashford, AWB , Antony and Dalot should not be on the wings of any EPL team. They’re not disciplined enough. Dalot and AWB especially are not on the level to start games at the club. They’re possibly squad players. The core of balls we lose , and the spacing that arises in our play comes from these players but the manager does not want to change this . Weird . He has control but the favouritism and the lack of not wanting to play to Hojlund’s strength and use wingers that protect us offensively and defensively is why the likes of Casemiro look crap and the rest of the squad look mentally lapsed .

[@danielholt1984]

Am sick to death about hearing how mint ole was. He's gone. Get over it

[@phenomenal1s]

we had tahith chong, angel gomez, greenwood, a 20yo dalot, as Buffon said we beat them with kids, but yeah we go back to these pains way too much man I don't know when it will end we don't even seem like we will win a game

[@deanolewis3962]

Last year we had the best defence in the league. This year we hardly had our main fit defence, plus injuries throughout midfield and players out of form has lead us into this position this season

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

Both Chelsea and Liverpool went through similar things, with less problems, with better players and better boards. It was a mistake to sack Ole and it would be a bigger mistake to sack Hag.

[@incognito96]

Why Liverpool got rid of Roy hodgson. Brendan Rogers!!!

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

They kept, Klopp.

[@joshua5174]

I was always Ole in and now i can't help but think you reap what you sow. Ole never lacked belief in himself, he was a man shocked that players he worked with for 2 years threw him under the bus and was devastated by it. The club should have backed him and rid the players then. Here we are 3 years later and the same thing again, with the same players.... When is this fan base and club gonna learn. Edit: Funny how ETH is now getting the exact same criticism too. No tactics, boys club, bad signings. Maybe, just maybe it's not the 5 managers we've had over the last decade... Not counting the 3 caretakers smh.

[@waynehiggs7335]

I think what worries me, is not only are Utd stagnating or even in decline, but that there are so many clubs out there that are on the rise. Who foresaw villa being solidly top 4, we can see Newcastle, Tottenham and clubs like Palace with real ambition. Chelsea aren’t going to have a season like this year again next year, so where does that leave Utd? I fear that there’s a scenario where we could see Wrexham in the Premier League before we win anything again!

[@VuyisileKunene]

Even Ole in his 3rd season had similar performances that eventually got him sacked, Watford beat us 4-0 This team needs to be ripped apart,start afresh

[@dohnjoe4516]

Only two players in that team palace beat played under Ole. AWB and Dalot. So what's your point?

[@StuieHunter]

This summer is so important in terms of scouting. We have a budget for maybe 3/4 players at normal united prices. We need a massive summer window, 8/9/10 players. We're going to need to be SO smart with our signings. I can easily see next year being another waste of a season otherwise.

[@stuartm5166]

One of the most bizarre sustained declines of the big European Clubs. It's so odd how badly things keep going and going. The wages collected by the different failed playing squad, the wages collected by the leadership decision makers over the years. A truly astonishing Meltdown in every facet of the Footballing parts of the business. It's just beyond sad.

[@mattevans2343]

People keep saying a fire sale will happen, only 3 or 4 players will remain, gut the squad...but ....who exactly is gonna be buying these players?? The performances that are being viewed as terrible are the same performances being seen by potentail buyers AND they are on very high wages?!?! I just dont know who is quing up to buy johnny evans, Ericsson or cassamero et al??

[@rana1561]

I'd disagree with this pessimism, things can drastically look better with just 2 major changes. Yes the rest will then take time. The 2 changes would be improvement in Carrington and health staff, and second would be hiring of cheaper defenders but more in number i.e. squad depth, not your 60 mil defenders or defensive midfielders, but multiple young 30-40 mil players in defence, an assured defence in squad will make this squad look way way better than the one with past their prime old big names, just get some workhorses in, and then kick out most big salaries, and see how disciplined the squad will look, right now the squad has no second or even first fit option available that can provide in defensive role other than Dalot, going back on a pragmatic setups to hide physical deficiency of players is not moving forward.

[@gazzatowers]

Problem is, this season, we've had so many players playing poorly, but literally no one in reserve with any kind of experience to drop them for that would be safe bets to come in and give you a 5/10 (besides Amad who should be in for Antony anyway). He needs to start debuting a few new youth players when the current regulars underperform (again) to show that regardless of status, playing out of position or lack of depth, bad performances are not accepted.

[@eamonnpotts5063]

Wearing fkn gloves in May tells you fkn everything about Casemiro!! WTF!!

[@maxcsw5809]

Completely disagree with your point about Paris. We were SO lucky that game. We went into it without a prayer. I remember screaming at the screen for Ole to take Bailly off as he was playing right back and looked seriously ropey. It was a fantastic performance, but we only won because Gianluigi Buffon spilled the ball (how often does that happen...) right at Lukaku's feet, and then we won a penalty, which was not a penalty, never in a million years a penalty. One of the most ridiculously pathetic decisions I've ever seen to give handball there. I don't think it's fair to say 'Ole did it with McTominay, Gomes & Tchong'. or 'that team was worse on paper than this team' when the only reason why that team is considered 'better' is pure luck.

[@chriscummings1279]

Stephen but come on Mainoo is getting away with absolute murder, overhyped player ever. He's looking even worse now, because he's like rashford and he's not trying.

[@stephenbartlett2238]

That team against PSG the players were on a new manager bounce which is exactly what we had with this squad last season ETH might not be the man but I’d rather back him and clear out the players

[@ethicalelectricalgroupltd3153]

The most defeats we’ve suffered in a premier league season (13) soon to be 15 after Arsenal and Newcastle! We’ve never finished below 7th… We’ve never finished a season on minus goal difference, currently -3 Expected goals… 0.35 wtf!!! Only notts forest have lost more premier league away games by a 4 goal margin… and they’re getting relegated! We’ve conceded 81 goals this season…. And it’s not even over yet… we’re about to play the highest scoring team….!

[@steve13191]

before anybody said the players are to blame. onana, evans, casemiro, eriksen, mainoo, mount, garnacho, hojlund, antony started that game. 9 out of 11 players were there only because of ten hag. ole and rangnick didnt touch any of these players. i didnt even include amrabat 10 million to loan ramadan glenn whelan.

[@IanCullen]

Watched Match with my brother-in-law yesterday. As soon as that 4th goal went in. That was it. We couldn't bring ourselves to watch it anymore after that. They were freaking awful.

[@4Bester]

That PSG game, although incredible, was massively helped by Buffon spilling the ball once or twice and a late penalty. All against a team renowned for falling short of their potential. It was brilliant but totally unsustainable, the same as the FA Cup win against Liverpool this season.

[@markhemingway3393]

You say what I think awesome as always - Canadian Red

[@banditbaker1675]

We have been in decline since the Glazers takeover, it accelerated when Sir Alex and David Gill left their roles and ever since it has been a relentless downward spiral with Ed Woodward at the helm. Losing 4:0 to Palace has been a consequence of the club's poor management, poor recruitment and lack of vision over many years. So now we are in the sad position where the manager has run out of ideas and many of the players just don't want to be at the club and the Fans are just numb and dreading the next game and things getting even worse. Sadly Stephen is bang on when he says that from where we now are it will be another 5 years before we could legitimately challenge for the PL title. I'm in my 70s (with a heart condition that will not improve), will I live long enough to see the Club that I have supported all my life win another major trophy? I live in hope, but I have little faith that I will

[@herbie4948]

The Premier League is a lot more competitive than in the past. On their day any team can defeat any other. We need to factor that in when comparing the number of losses to those of the past.

[@BuddhaofBlackpool]

I knew 400 million percent that this would happen when Hag sacked Ronaldo. Sacking him showed me what Hag was about.

[@routineproofmusic454]

From the outside, it seems like your standards are so high, that you keep chopping down your green shoots of regrowth, because they're not a giant redwood.... For about a decade.

[@pinado889]

The level of injuries cant just be down to bad luck , someone is fucking up constantly

[@stephenbartlett2238]

Has anyone considered that ineos want him to play certain players so they can assess the first out the door and which they can tolerate until it’s more financially viable to replace them 🤔🤔🤔

[@allydougall6486]

I dont think any of the players believe in ten Hag either, partly because he sends them out with same tactics, same setup and same exposure and deficiencies. The players dont even argue with each other, they just look at each other each time like what the hell are we supposed to do under these tactics

[@LT212-24]

To a certain extent, I agree with you.

[@cartz.g]

Well said

[@dave161256]

The problem OGS had was that the young hungry exciting squad he was building was disrupted by the imposition of a couple of ageing stars. Having finished 2nd the previous season and doing well in Europe he should have been given at least a full season to sort out the issues that had arisen. United will continue to disappoint as long as the board keeps sacking the manager. However bad it is the evidence shows that the problem is not the manager.

[@wg05954]

Point taken, it's the same ol same ol... No defense, no midfield and no offense. Can't put passes together, easily dispossessed, zero threat in the opponent's box .

[@GRIMMDOOM1]

I think this season, early on, has become an experiment for ETH. Players questioned his methods & he said, "Well, let's see how well you do without tactics and coaching"

[@Renatoioi]

what?

[@FUMFgod]

Ole would have a good 25% chance just based on vibes

[@chuckles471]

Ole and Jose knew the team couldn't play pretty football. So when they played "bad" effective football, like giving up on being in possession and play on the counter, it brought some success. The trouble is, most the fanbase were never going to accept that. Jose eventually went too far with the negativity and lost the the team. Ole started to listen to the fans and tried to play "pretty", and well stuff like Watford happened.

[@thebeautifulgame442]

This was a good video Ste - very honest. My 6th point would have been Amad getting the Pellistri treatment. Why does Ten Hag not favour or work on the more positive players with good attitudes?

[@Kilmoveebee]

Your very generous Stephen.

[@Pyappers]

Suprise suprise!! Howson, rios mate, calling for solskjaer to come back. Compromised Howson.

[@plus12gaming]

I think they let Ten Hag stick around to see if he can win a cup. Maybe they think he's earned that opportunity... or at least has a few excuses due to all the injuries. Assuming we lose that final, I can't see how he stays on beyond that. Maybe they let him see out the season to save tainting anyone else's career. It will take a miracle to see Ten Hag stay through the summer.

[@alexdikeman4205]

good comms ste, get this season over with.

[@lifelittlewonders]

Are Eth principles and tactics being used in Academy/u18/u21 teams ..?

[@mullaoslo]

I remember when 4 losses in a season would mean a bad season... Also I'm starting to suspect the only reason ETH is still here is they don't want fire him before the cup final.. It will be more like van gaal where he's out the door after the game

[@Marty-Rockstar]

Howson you're a fecking legend. You always find ways to make me chuckle whilst you inform us in a technical method what has been going so wrong for us this season.

[@lukeboylan6403]

For years weve had a board that hasnt been able to convince our managers targets that we were the club to come to, but now weve a new board with actual football background to give it a go. The issue now, is that from a prospective incomings POV, theres no Europe, theres question marks over Ten Hag, theres questions over the players, our season has been shambolic and by and large we're an ugly picture. BUT, (and i do like the man) if you sack Ten Hag and get a manager of top quality in, its a slight change but it means alot, then it looks like a new owner and a new board that wont accept mediocrity, plans for a new stadium, a squad clearout and a fresh start weve been promised for years. I do think sacking Ten Hag and getting a big name in does make us seem like a more serious establishment thats beginning to make moves, and not one thats still unsure of its next step in the rebuild

[@ste4392]

That PSG game was during that mad run Ole had and you can't just go off one game. This team knocked Liverpool out the FA Cup 🤷

[@Loveformusic1337]

I still Support ETH :) he cant help the injuries. I have to concede that I don't understand his subs.. give some of the youngsters a go.. Please support our manager people. also... First!

[@Satray01]

He can't help injuries but he can help the fact that he brought in over a half a billion in some of the worst transfers this club has had. Onana, Casemiro, Mount, Amrabat, Antony will and SHOULD get him fired. None of these players have turned up this year or prior. From a business perspective you just can't trust this coach with another half a billion to spend. I agree that all of the aforementioned players should go too, but so should Ten Hag.

[@esolution9574]

81 goals conceded and counting. Most shots conceded by an EPL team. 13 defeats and counting. Two consecutive seasons with a negative goal difference. Bad recruitment.etc etc. . Even the blind can see the writing on the wall. ETH is simply out of his depth

[@Loveformusic1337]

@@Satray01 Martinez has been a phenomenal buy .. Amrabat is on loan so we arent really losing anything there. Mount has been more or less perma injured since he signed.. Casemiro was Imense last season (so not a bad buy at the time) Højlund is superb.. The stats on Onana speak for them self.. but he is error-prone. and Antony is probably the worst signing in our history. all of that taken into account.. Ten Hag has really fucked up one transfer.. but the others are not too bad. ETH can not play his system when all the players he has brought for his system have been injured all season. secondly, our defence has been decimated the whole season. Given all of this.. I don't think he has done too bad :) the only thing I don't understand at times is his subs.. ETH IN!

[@MrLePov]

I know what you mean about 5 years, but with the right manager that can be cut down. Klopp took like 4 years or something to win the UCL with Liverpool, and Xabi Alonso has made Bayer Leverkusen literally unbeatable in even less time 😂 so it *can* be done, but you are right that it probably will take that long or more.

[@dknc]

The FA cup win vs Liverpool felt really good though

[@leonboinczak3346]

Amrabat put himself about which was good but he gave the ball away loads

[@GeoManRaddTitan]

This video is incredible!! For someone who has identified the issues with our club you seem to forget them when it suits! Same process you did with mourinho and ole and here you are asking for ole to come back for a one off game??? Ridiculous

[@Ten-Heisenberg99]

He’s turned on the manager, it’s been clear over the last few weeks; I would just prefer if he admitted it than pretending to sit on the fence and see both sides. If that’s what he actually called for I’m baffled, ole coming back for one game? That’s what someone on TalkSport would come out with.

[@GeoManRaddTitan]

@Ten-Heisenberg99 totally agree. I just can't stand the repeated game these channels play. They call for time and calm, claiming we can't building on shifting Sands, making untold videos highlighting that fact and the fact the majority of players and coaches are a collection of failed previous managers projects then start making content promoting another managers removal! Retarded at best!

[@Kettleman91]

We couldn't brake teams down under Ole people quickly forget. It's not about quick fixes it's about planning with a structure and when ETH has that then it would be only right to see how it goes. Last season we were solid and had a good foundation. Like Jim said its the environment.

[@Kauposarapik]

As a new united fan, Ole's time as united manager was the happiest I've been as a fan

[@colinkochanski5102]

Can I ask what club you supported before united?🙈

[@Kauposarapik]

@@colinkochanski5102 just a New football fan.

[@glynmacs7603]

Brilliant.. Fantastic.. 😬

[@AJ-ry8qd]

Most Delusional thing I've heard

[@altaafkader9675]

Well that filled me with hope

[@sau01drs]

Can you do a proper tactical analysis of what Ten Haag is trying to do with his players and where it is going wrong? I think it would be an excellent use of your coaching skills

[@OAC184]

I agree 5 years said it to my mate earlier

[@michaeldr6070]

I’m waiting for the EtH interview after he has left United. That could be spicy!

[@spencerchapmanbarra7888]

Some players have the right spirit but were injured or not fit enough. Hats off to Evans for stepping in. Dalot for pribably playing with broken funger seeing him being strapped up during the game.

[@danielmaguire8710]

No matter what happens with ten Hag, win or lose FA cup, the players need to be held accountable and some big people removed. No point in starting next season with a bunch of mentally weak players which will have everyone talking about the same thing this time next year. Players first is the way to go. They’ve had a go and failed just as much any manager did.

[@mickeytracey2332]

Ole isn't coming back.mate, and this is probably gonna get worse before it gets better. Whether Ten Hag gets another season or not, there's a lot of shit to sort out, a lucky cup win would be an amazing end to a fucking awful season. It'd be a miracle!! 🙏

[@d.b.cooper1]

Random but I spent literally 1 full hour watching a bunch of scaffaldors go to work just in awe at how I'd never relaised what that job actually entails. Proper hardcore graft as I sat there staring out the window whilst wfh. That's what you call skilled about, albeit most of em are still proper bellends...but then again I did grow up in Yorkshire near Leeds where naturally most of em were pricks.

[@kenny78166]

I don't know what to think anymore Ste. I was there when we got battered 4-0 away at Nottingham Forrest towards the end of 89/90. Similar feelings of confusion, despair, anger and the rest. Couple years later we won "with kids" as they said back then. We can only hope...

[@kabirshergill810]

What an uplifting ending

[@Saroj9863]

One thing that i learned very well is we should consider of giving 4 more years contract to ten hag after seeing his brilliant tactics week in and out . Until 2028 this baldie will take united to championship and he will leave united without any force . That'll be another huge achievements fpr united and fans overall mate . Let's hope eth will succeed 🙏😅😅🙏