Airgunning for Beginners - Should I buy a Springer or a PCP Air Rifle ?

[@airgunology]

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[@jfkjfk1]

40 years ago when I was 15 I bought a rifle off a mate who needed quick cash , it was a Webley Excel and I got it for 10 quid. I still have it and recently started using it again after nearly 40 years , I've put a new Hawke sight on it and it shoots pretty darn good still. Enjoying revisiting my youth. Ps. Back in the day it was usual for kids to be roaming the woods with air rifles , no-one batted an eyelid back then 😊

[@thesololynx34]

Finally a video that's simple and on point.

[@airgunology]

Glad it helped :)

[@jamesmcginn2216]

I've just bought a Milbro Camo .22 springer. Only been to my local indoor range twice and im already hitting the centre of the targets. My first day I was lucky to hit the target. I watched Steves video on how to shoot a springer, and it has helped a lot. Knowing how to hold the artillery way and controlled breathing has made all the difference. I'll keep the Milbro for about 6 month before upgrading. Thanks for the beginners videos Steve.👍👍👍

[@airgunology]

Awesome and proof to all those doubters out there :) Thanks for the kind comments and happy straight shooting :)

[@andrewbutcher3391]

James Mcginn I found Steve’s video on how to shoot a springer really helpful too James. Having tried a low cost PCP I felt drawn to a decent quality springer and thanks to watching the video, I’m getting better accuracy than I was with the low end PCP, although this could be down to a poor quality scope. Although I’ve watched this after buying my rifle, I’ve been reassured by what Steve says that a springer is a good starting point and by developing your skill with it you can get decent results fairly quickly.

[@ianwoods1384]

Hello Steve. Thankyou so much for producing these videos for beginners like me. In 2020, I'll be 50. I've wanted an air rifle all my life. Air rifles were my father's lifelong passion. As I have a twin brother and always treated equally, we were never allowed them for obvious reasons. This year, I purchased my Springer air rifle and absolutely adore it. We lost our massively loved father two years ago and now beginning air rifle shooting have so many questions for him. It real!y is a minefield out there, what people tell you. There are practical tutorials on line that look good, but reading the comments you find they are incorrect and if followed would cost money to rectify. I didn't know anything about artillery hold. Some say clean the barrel before using because of debris left in by manufacturer. Others say under no circumstance put anything in the barrel because you'll be wiping the lead off and that's what lubes the barrel. I hope you've found my points interesting from a beginners point of view and would love to hear from you. Your films are fantastic and informative and you come across as a very polite gentleman who genuinely wants to help people like me just starting out. Thankyou very much for help and for thinking of us. Best wishes, Ian. Ps. Can you recommend a good pellet for the BSA Lightning XL .177 please?

[@kevinrace446]

For pellets mate get yourself sum samples of different brands then shoot sum paper targets to see which give the best groups, I would recommend jsbs, air arm fields, Bisley mags and a Chinese pellet called qys are getting cracking reviews but whichever shoots the best through your rifle stick with that brand 👍 hope this will help happy shooting!

[@ianwoods1384]

@@kevinrace446 Hi Kevin. Thankyou for your kind reply. I am going to do that. Best wishes, Ian.

[@ianwoods1384]

@@kevinrace446 Hello Kevin. Thankyou again for your reply. If I may ask you please, does it take a long time to learn artillery hold? I wonder if its also all about getting familiar and confident with your rifle and learning what it does and doesn't do? Thankyou again, Ian.

[@kevinrace446]

@@ianwoods1384 getting used to your rifle is essential mate get on the range you will soon be at one with your rifle

[@ianwoods1384]

@@kevinrace446 Thankyou for you encouragement my friend, and I'll take in your advice :-)

[@shaneweightman]

After , my short 30 yr gap in air rifles , have started back and bought .177 gas ram webley , then last wk end bought smk victory cp2 for garden plinking , great little gun , real fun so co2 , next gonna buy Waltha m8 , pcp ,, thats it then , wait for summer bang bang. Cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧

[@airgunology]

Have fun dude, it is a great sport and glad you came back to it.

[@shaneweightman]

Steve Allan thanks Steve have arranged to pick up a gamo phox tomorrow, will review on my not so good KZbin channel cheers Shane

[@kencornine8787]

Thank you for this info. I learned a lot. I’ve been shooting for a long time, but never had an air rifle, other than a BB gun when I was younger.

[@safakaswedishairgunforum-n1490]

great video for thoose who want to get into the sport, brilliant Steve

[@airgunology]

Thanks for watching

[@spiraldo10]

Awesome video! Very well said and It helped me decide witch one to pick! Stay healthy and shoot straight buddy!

[@airgunology]

Glad it helped and please share

[@toddfurman1046]

Thanks for these basic videos... hard to get started without anyone else around that shoots air rifles.

[@airgunology]

Glad to help

[@dsbisht9078]

WOW THIS VID REALLY HELPED THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[@airgunology]

Nice one, don't forget to join our FB group where you can ask more questions - facebook.com/groups/351221505224875/

[@markhomer9718]

bought my 1st rifle ( well my old man did ) in 1974 .. BSA Mercury .22 .. over the years ( and a sizable gap in usage ) I decided replace the worn out original spring ( wouldnt even go through a beer can ) with a Titan spring ( available from most RFD's ) ... and compared too my ( recently purchased) PCP's is absolutely uncontrollable .. unsure of the power its producing now , and aint got round too chronographing it yet ... all said and done .. its about as accurate as turd fired from a cannon .. " still " I agree with you .. a springer would be best for a beginner ... dont use mine any more , but its sentimental too me , and ill never get rid ... great vid .. and a good insight into air gunning for the begginer ... keep it up ...

[@airgunology]

As always it comes down to the buyer, all we can do is recommend, but it is sometime like and adult giving a child life experience , they will make up their own mind no matter what :)

[@krzysztofgrasssnake]

I'm new to airgunning and was searching the web for useful info and I'm sorry to say found zip. I have bought a springer hw 97 and yesterday foud this film which reassured me that my choice was correct :) once again good video you explain things like a teacher. best K

[@airgunology]

Nice work and congrats on the new rifle. The 97 springer is a very good choice.

[@fboylan16]

Cheers Mate very helpful. :) I went Springer for my first gun. paid £120 at West Malling guns for a .22 Stoeger. PCP looks interesting might look into getting one when money permits.

[@airgunology]

Good luck, springers are great (and cheaper). Be careful, PCP open up your wallet more than a woman :)

[@fboylan16]

@@airgunology I've checked online! You're not wrong! Definitely a dream for another day. 😂😁

[@paulo1787]

😁👏😎

[@leerevill]

Brilliant honest review. Cheers

[@airgunology]

Thank you, please share

[@henrygarcia6078]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@airgunology]

:) thanks

[@markconnolly7972]

Got pellets on pellets with bsa ultra no challenge ! Going back to a springer can't wait to get walther lgv on range

[@airgunology]

Springers can be fun and more challenging.

[@lj03oem]

Rock on,pcp's have no soul.I have a RAW HM1000 pcp-accurate as hell but no sense of accomplishment when you hit the bullseye.If I could only have one air rifle.it would be my tuned '97-everytime.

[@BionicRusty]

Nice video, friend. Absolutely agree. As an absolute born again novice, I’d always say, start with a springer or gas ram to see if you like the sport. At the end of the day, it’s circa £100 vs £500+.

[@scottyB5950]

Nice size. Easy to use and lightweight.

[@riffraff2904]

Great advice there... springer, or PCP - exactly the dilemma I faced when choosing my first air rifle. I went with a decent springer for the reasons cited in your vid: cost; development of basic technique; self-sufficiency (no tie to an air source). Thanks again, so much for the guidance.

[@ilijabosnjak76]

I agree,,springer ONLY,piston break barrel or PCP ,I don’t know how would they work in winter at 🥶-30/40 Celsius because I live in Canada 🇨🇦,, I don’t have license so I go with.22 Crosman sub 500 fps due to our laws..

[@00theron]

still have my first rifle, Hatsan mod70. It teached me alot, its horrible against my cz200 but I still shoot it now and again just to remind me where it all began

[@airgunology]

:) Unlike girlfriends, rifles don't mind you keeping your old ones :)

[@amrhalawa1316]

you are doing a great job really... good quality and good presentation with valuable infos. i expect this channel to grow very fast universally among airgunners

[@airgunology]

Thank you for the kind comments. I am trying to keep it factual and I too hope the channel grow. Hopefully with you guys spreading the word, it may work.

[@andrewbutcher3391]

Seconded!

[@shaneweightman]

From my point of view , it comes to budget , I would go pcp if I could afford all needed , compressor , gun etc , I used to use springers all the time growing up 30 yrs ago when I was a young lad , I recently bought a gas ram break barrel , cheap way into the hobbie and I thought less recoil and noise vibration when shooting, secondly I bought a little rifle pistol , co2 capsule , that mimics pcp , on a lower lever less power , can’t speak for everyone only my self , depends how dedicated to the sport you are , and in my case ,,, governed by my budget simple as that , and in either pcp spring gas ram or co2 , there is differing levels of quality depending on how much you pay ,, plus and minus on all ,, cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧

[@shaneweightman]

Since this comment, I have bought a pcp, and compressor and was enjoying it , till this virus kept us all locked in ,,,,, typical cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧

[@mattchadders9776]

@@shaneweightman would you recommend a PCP over a springer? I've currently got a Cometa 220 springer and I'm looking to upgrade.

[@charliewfc295]

What a legend

[@airgunology]

thanks

[@johnmichaelsaraceno7339]

Well, I'm relatively new to air gunning, but I did a little research and I initially was going springer, breakbarrel, single shot and realized one shot at a time was not enough, and going to a PCP, needing a tank or a compressor was expensive, so I found what for me was the perfect gun...it's the Seneca Aspen, comes in .177, .22 and .25...I wanted the biggest bore I could get...it comes with 2 mags, 8 shots in .25 bought 8 more...what is great about this rifle is it has a built in hand pump which makes it self contained, no air tanks or compressors needed, but has a fill probe included so you can use all 3 methods...all you need is pellets or slugs...takes about 80 pumps to go from zero to 3600 psi...if you shoot 5 and pump 5 you can keep a good working pressure...the gun is currently retailing for $299.00 without a scope...its a little beefy but managable...not backyard sound friendly so I put a DonnyFL Sumo moderator... PERFECT! It's not set up for a bipod so I customed fitted a picatinny rail on the pump handle attached a clip on bipod...it is very accurate can easily put shots in the same hole...it is the perfect preppers rifle, just add pellets and a scope...and you're off!

[@raudskjegg]

Great video. Very informative.

[@airgunology]

Thank you, please share

[@simonthomas5113]

Good vid. I'm new and took the budget springer route (Webley vmx), getting decent results, and looking forward to spending more when i upgrade. PCP can be an expensive start when you don't know how you'll take to the sport.

[@airgunology]

Springer is always a cheap and good way to start the sport. You will soon be hooked and wanting more :) Good luck and check out all my PCP reviews.

[@YZER19]

Why is pcp more expensive? Air is free. Just pump not up 💪😄

[@rodrigodejesa9401]

Thank you sir for this video i got more knowledge and idea

[@airgunology]

Glad it helped

[@drguy2156]

Thank you Steve, really enjoyed this and very useful advice for all.

[@airgunology]

Thanks

[@toddfurman1046]

Hand pumps aren't that bad given the cost savings compared to the price of storage bottles and trips to the dive shop.

[@airgunology]

Yes if you have big arms and time to waste pumping the rifle :)

[@ljw2896]

Todd Furman Do hand pumps last ?

[@2marauderman329]

I've got neither,and it is still not too bad for hunting.

[@2marauderman329]

Hardly a waste of time,too,if I want to shoot!lol

[@lorcankelleher5434]

Yeah they do. But be sure to get a good brand like a webley accupump. I've bought the shitty ones on ebay before. It's so easy to break them and they really don't last. Spend the money, get a decent pump. You won't regret it.

[@krzysztofgrasssnake]

Thank you. Great Video After searching KZbin for some good and understandable info your films are great!!! I have subscribed your channel. All the best Koza

[@airgunology]

Thank you Koza, please share with your friends.

[@krzysztofgrasssnake]

Already did

[@frednel4326]

Though springers are harder to load i love a springer lol..all u need is ur rifle and pellets and ur good to go..every shot is as powerfull as the last and no extras needed..and most of all..trouble free and reliable..keeping it clean and oiled are the main things..i have a 4.5 mm and a 5.5 mm and both realy powerfull..4.5 = 1250 fps and 5.5 = 1600 fps..5.5 is a gas piston though but same sorta thing as a springer in a big way..cheers 👍

[@frednel4326]

On a side note the only issue i have is the damn scopes dont last on em lol..last one on the 4.5 mm the damn inner ring holding the front glass on the ajuster tube came off and i cant get it to stay back on agen without getting locktight all over the glass..so i got another scope in the end..thats the 4th one now on that one lol..the 5.5 aint given any trouble yet thnk goodness 😂

[@krzysztofgrasssnake]

Cool. Thx

[@airgunology]

Thanks for watching

[@jk_46]

Nice video, something that I dislike about a springer is the trigger is hard and its not like a real gun where a pcp is so soft you can learn to squeeze the trigger like on a real gun. I have both and I never use the springer

[@airgunology]

Yes there is that with springers, very mechanical. Some are better than others though, depends on make and price.

[@jk_46]

@@airgunology yeah and I have an old springer too so it doesn't help lol, I just prefer the PCP but thats just me :)

[@hoppobun7]

HI Steve another great Vid to help our sport, please ignore Trolls like info mutt i just had to add my comment to his post keep up the vids , ps ,i own lots of springers & pcp,s , target shooting the springers and thepcp.s are my hunting guns. atvb Brian

[@airgunology]

Hey, the more successful the channel becomes, the more the hate comments and trolls will come out. Just ignore them and if they get too bad I will simple ban them from comments. The joys of the internet, it gives all people a voice.

[@zuluhallam4395]

I start with springer now I have hw95 and pcp webley raider pcp 12

[@fred306801]

I am one of those people who do not know Jack about guns. The main reason I want to get one is because of rabbits an squirrls getting into my garden. I have watched God only know how many videos. This is by far one of the best videos I have seen. The way you explained what a springer VS a PNP. I am sure your right when you say that a $300 or more rifle is the best way to go. But for me that may be a little over kill. Depending on who you listen to there are some good rifles out there around $100. Some thing that can kill a squirrl or rabbit at 20 - 30 yards or so. And that is really all I need. And as you said if you like it you can always up grade. I like the idea of being about to go out into my back yard an shoot. But I have neighors all around me. So I do not want something crazy powerful.

[@airgunology]

William, ensure you read the laws of your country and most important learn how to shoot accurately before you even attempt to shoot and vermin. Nothing worse or upsetting to see an injured animal run away.

[@fred306801]

I am in the US , But yeah, it's best to check the laws. From time to time I can hear people shooting real guns, and they are close. Good advice and Thanks for writting back.

[@airgunology]

Well in the USA, typically you have no power limits and many people will do what you are suggesting. Best to check anyways and of course learn to shot accurately before taking animals / pests.

[@bobsullvian3274]

I would get a gamo air rifle

[@danielsidaway719]

Definitely start off with a springer, then once one has mastered the challenges inherent with shooting spot-on with the springer, transitioning to anything else be it PCP, CO2, multi-pump, will be a piece of cake. Furthermore, here in Canada, sub 500 FPS/5.2 Joule FPE springers can be purchased for around $100 to $150 without the added costs to obtain a firearms purchase and acquisition license; in Canada, a PCP definitely requires the added expenses to obtain a firearms purchase and acquisition license.

[@airgunology]

Good information and would tend to agree with you.

[@donwilson350]

I've got an opinion on this I started out with break barrel air gun springers gas Rams and really in all fairness for a beginner they are bad news they are a lot harder to shoot you have to have the all Tillery hold to be able to shoot these gun really a PCP air rifle isn't it is a better way to go it may cost a little more with a hand pump or a bottle scuba tank to air them up but at the end of the day they are not as hold sensitive they are easier to shoot and you will have lots more fun with them and I would really recommend using a SCUBA tank to air your gun up I have three PCP rifles now actually for cuz I just bought a fourth one scuba tank is the best way to go because I don't care what kind of Hump you buy the air will get heated up and you don't want to put moisture into your gun because that will ruin your seals and cost a lot of money if you don't want to fix it yourself so really if you're not a gun collector like I am because that's my hobby I guess spend the money buy one really nice PCP air rifle and you will be happy with that you can buy a lot of cheap or ones but depending on what you get most of the time you get what you pay for I have got to Benjamin Marauders PCP air rifles 1 in a 22 caliber 25 caliber and I've got a Huntsman Regal PCP rifle that is the best gun that I own. Now I'm not saying that the Marauders do not shoot well because they do but they do not chew like the Huntsman Regal rifle and I just purchased a puncher breaker Mega crawl gun that I am going to try out and see what I think good luck I'm what you guys pick up but always remember most of the time you get what you pay for

[@airgunology]

Springers are cheaper, teach important techniques and introduce people to air rifles at an affordable cost. Hence why I and many others recommend one as a beginner rifle.

[@tolis5631]

What is the average range of a springer and a PCP air rifle?? Thank you. Very informative video

[@4486xxdawson]

Depends on what gun you get and where you live , for example i live in canada and can only get a air riffle rated for 500 fps and under without a licance but with a licance they can go up to 1200 fps so thats a factor , if you live in the states no licance required for any air guns exceeding 500 fps lucky ducks , so you need to ask for what gun you have . Some guns can shoot 100 to 150 yards , also what are you planning to shoot ? I wouldnt try and hunt with an air gun at those yardages . Good luck and gappy shooting

[@grindle1234]

had springers all my life cant beat them,allways ready no sweet spot crap

[@airgunology]

Thats is why I still have my old springer for practice.

[@4486xxdawson]

The best part of a springer is , grab your gun and pellets and go ....see ya for dinner honey ......

[@katrienpannier2772]

Good informative video thanks and I fully agree. I was having the same issue. I bought first a gasram springer and later a PCP. And guess I love springers. The simplicity of a springer I love it. Just grap a box of pellets, the recoil you need to master, the exact same process of holding the gun in order to shoot consistent you need to master, more challenge. There are also springer with a magazine from Gamo. Springers require more skill PCPs are just so artifical. We are lucky here no powerlimitations here. So a 24J springer is funn. I fully agree with the author. Gold video thanks Br Dirk

[@Gr0nal]

I'll just add the stirrup pumps are good options if you aren't unfit, especially if the gun has a small cylinder.

[@robertholness9129]

Its an easy choice... PCP's for wimps or Springers for men..

[@airgunology]

hahahaha

[@mattchadders9776]

so springers are better?

[@Danny-eh8us]

@@mattchadders9776 their more convenient as you don't need to buy the air tank that refills a pcp tank in the gun, All you need is pellets and your springer.

[@4486xxdawson]

Pcp to me are rich boys guns , when it cost more for the equipment to fill the gun , then it does to buy the gun , it dont make sence to me , even a good hand pump for pcp cost 200 bucks , i can get a Springer for 200 bucks and use the rest of my cash for a nice scope and pellets and still be under the cost of a low end pcp set up, also the skill to shoot a pcp is low and guys who shoot springer got to get to know the gun to group tight and that takes skill and practice , thats why springers are awesome , i dont think i would shoot a pcp as much for 2 reasons FIRST having to fill it after 50 60 shots because your group drops after that and Two, it wouldnt take long before your board because it groups well all on its own , no learning curve and i like haveing to shoot 500 shots to learn my hold my trigger pull my breathing its just more fun to me . Just my opinion lol ...

[@Danny-eh8us]

@@4486xxdawson I completely agree low end pcp around $450 + buying the scuba tank $100 and filling the damn gun up every 60 shots is just a nuisance, They may shoot a little straighter but i like the satisfaction of working out the range and ark to place a shot or group on your target.

[@OU812NVME]

What about the multi pumps? I started on these and have about 15 of them and have hundreds of kills with them. My farm is a well maintained pest controlled area and yes I have spring air guns too and they are also awesome but no pcp air guns...yet.

[@airgunology]

There are multi pumps out there but not many people use them nowadays and I personally not used one. Many many differing types far to many to mention in a small video and so I concentrated on the main ones.

[@dlear85]

just ordered the gamo phox .177 kit for my first , apart from as a kid. But i know il hate breaking barrel each shot so rather spend a few hundred more.

[@grahamh6918]

before you make final decision mate look at side leaver or under leaver cocking springer guns, then you dont have to break barrel

[@andyprairiedog]

I've had a Ruger Targis Hunter for about 2 years now. I'm looking into an 'entry level' PCP now. Anyone recommend one? I been eyeballing the Umarex Marauder in .22 alongside a hand pump. New to this of course. This video is very helpful...Thank you and keep it up.

[@SnowblindOtter]

Good affordable entry PCP rifles are the Umarex Gauntlet, Gamo Urban, or Hatsan Flash or FlashQE. These are all fairly inexpensive, but they all have their own advantages that the others don't. If you want one that is easy to get your hands on, get the Gamo Urban. If you want one that prioritizes beauty and power, get the Hatsan Flash or FlashQE. If you want a rifle that is solid and consistent, the Umarex Gauntlet is the only regulated PCP air rifle for less than 500USD. They all three can be filled with a Hill hand pump, and they all three come with a moderated(Suppressed/Silenced) option straight out of the box. In .22 they're all capable of hunting, they all have outstanding accuracy out to 100 yards in all calibers available, and if you want to go bigger the Hatsan and Umarex rifles are available in .25 caliber as well.

[@andyprairiedog]

SnowblindOtter Very helpful. Thank you for this informative reply.

[@mathijsdemeayer3496]

Is a springer too loud for backyard shooting with close neighbors?

[@airgunology]

Depends on the springer, some are louder than others. You can put a silencer on, but generally PCP's are quieter when equipped the same.

[@barriejones8259]

another great insight mate. how about s/hand pcp or is that something for the future ?I am not sure if I'm going about this the proper way. I can understand the break barrel route but like you said pcp =consistency I'm going to stop now lol looking forward to the next one

[@airgunology]

All applies to brand new or second hand, just the amount of money changes.

[@johnmarsh2078]

Would you be better off learning to drive in a modern car with power steering, power ABS brakes, light clutch and positive synchro gearbox or learning on a 60s car with manual steering, drum brakes, heavy clutch and column gearchange (not to mention crap seats)? In the same way that you will drive more accurately and easily with a modern car you will hit the target with much less effort and more consistently with a PCP or Co2 rifle. And you won't be discouraged as you may be with a cheap springer or gas-ram as you try to learn how to hold it properly the same way every single shot. You will have to buy a Weirhrauch HW 97, Walther LGV or LGU, or an AA TX200 to match the accuracy of even a cheap PCP and they weigh a ton. My recommendation for a first rifle is the QB 97 which is featherlight, recoilless and accurate. £140 new and a bit more expensive to run but good to shoot. By the way, I love classic cars .... on the right day and on the right road. For commuting to work and motorway stuff my modern rules. I love my springers too but for pest control I use a PCP because it's so easy and accurate to shoot without effort. And even if crows and magpies are vermin I don't want to wing them.

[@airgunology]

All valid arguments John to e taken with all other advice :) Thanks for posting.

[@shermdog6969]

60's car hands down. Can drive it you can drive anything.

[@vatan_parast-us7ox]

Hello Steve. Hope you are doing well. I was browsing your videos and came across this one. Which PCP rifle is this?

[@scottnightingale7235]

What's your thoughts on the sig mcx am currently looking at one .....am worried about the reliability of it tho ...have you got any experience with them

[@airgunology]

Don't bother, they are not accurate and underpowered. Get a proper PCP air rifle as Sig just make replica backyard plinkers.

[@johngroves84]

Hi Steve can you do a video on how to adjust a trigger from 5.5lbs to about 2.75lbs on a DB3 SYN model wf600p under leaver. 22 thank you .John Groves

[@Danny-eh8us]

You should have a little screw behind the trigger that you can adjust

[@AviationSafety101]

Excellent series Steve. I’ve been an Australian field archer and hunter for 16 years and am now interested in air rifles for competition and rabbit hunting. Ive joined a club and awaiting my licence to enable purchase of a rifle. Thanks these videos are very helpful.

[@airgunology]

Excellent and glad they have helped. Thanks for watching

[@donwilson350]

Like I said before I think a PCP is the only way to go if you want to have fun if you are a hunter and you want accuracy no matter how you hold the gun once you get it sighted in it will be dead on depending on the gun you buy will cost you more then most of your break barrels or underlever gun but you will be more accurate with a PCP gun I have had both and I have gotten rid of all of my break barrels and my underlever gun because of this but I cannot stress this enough you should go with a SCUBA tank to fill your gun because hand pumps will put moisture into your gun and will ruin your seals and that can cost a lot of money to get repaired and I know scuba tanks aren't cheap but once you buy it you can air up all your PCP gun and I take my tank into a scuba shop and it doesn't seem to matter what size of tank you take in I can get that tank filled for $5.50 and be able to fill my gun from 2000 PSI 2 3000 psi and with a tank you can top off your gun lots of times and filling the scuba tank is really cheap

[@airgunology]

Don, each to their own. I too prefer PCP's for many of the reasons you give, but many will argue that springers are the way to go. The nice thing with this sport is we can do either and what ever suits us.

[@dmidgley59]

Don Wilson z

[@quagmirewasere]

What about a co2 powered

[@Drdoombrain]

Hi, these beginner videos are very useful but wish I had watched this before I dry fired my Diana 21. Fired it once without a pellet, it seems ok but a bit parenoid that I may have damaged it?

[@airgunology]

Drdoombrain no just don't it again.

[@mrdino5311]

I'm thinking of adding a multi-shot Gamo Swarm Maxxim .22 cal gas piston break barrel at 900 fps for small game (Not for self defense) to my survival kit. IMHO, PCP air guns are too heavy and have too many accessories to carry for survival. Does anyone else have a Constructive opinion?

[@airgunology]

Survival is something I keep out of my channel and is only really a USA thing. Anything springer that you are happy with will do.

[@mrdino5311]

@@airgunology Thanks Steve, For an extra $100 I think I'll try out the Gamo Swarm Magnum .22 cal. It's a long heavy rifle and the barrel break is 45 pounds but I like the extra 100 fps velocity for small game.

[@rtruth3211]

really good, do you have to change the spring along the line?

[@airgunology]

Eventually yes, it will wear out. A gun shop will do it for you, or if you check youtube, and are capable, do it yourself.

[@chestercain1655]

Hi I'm looking to buy my first air rifle. My age is lets say a little up the hill just not over yet. Like so many on my hill we are on a fixed income so that does make it a little harder so any thoughts?

[@airgunology]

Look at the BSA springers or BSA Ultra's PCP's. They are good value for money and decent rifles.

[@roselinbatters1192]

Bsa air rifies

[@fencer39]

Nice Vid Steve......but what about CO2.....cheap & without recoil

[@airgunology]

Duke Box not one of the main types newbies will use. in fact not many use CO2 rifles full stop

[@fencer39]

Crossman ratcather 1 of the best selling airguns bought by beginners. Its CO2

[@airgunology]

Ah, If I can get hold of one, will do a follow up review on one. I was trying to keep this beginner series to basics and cover the main 2, PCP and Springer. Obviously there are many other types of air rifle out there and probably some that I have never heard of before. Thanks

[@jimjordam]

I have the Crosman 2240, awesome pistol and so cheap, I do like CO2 air guns just for the replica pistols, the Walther under lever is an awesome bit of kit and uses the 88g CO2 cans. Love your BSA Steve, been meaning to pick one of those tactical rifles up for ages but keep putting it off. PCP, Springer, CO2, personally I love em all . Great video man and I agree on your recommendation to start with a springer, spot on advise if you ask me and yes, we'll all probably end up owning one of each in time anyway. ;-) Here are just a few I own, I haven't updated for a bit so not showing all my guns. umarexboysclubforum.myfineforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21703

[@airgunology]

Cheers, you will love the BSA Lightening, get one. They are under powered though, mine was sub 10fp

[@4486xxdawson]

Bottom line most people start with a springer and after becoming addicts they spend thier kids college fund on a PCP . I have a springer and love it , i also think about pcp guns , but then i think of all the extras you need to lug around and honestly , i dont got time for that , when i want to shoot it takes 2 minutes to grab my gun and pellets and out back i go , there is no , is my tank full or after 60 shots need to lug out that tank again , with a Springer i can shoot 200 shots and fps is always consistent , yes it takes more discipline to shoot a Springer but thats what i like , im not saying PCP are not nice , man there are some really nice ones i drool over but in the end why spend 10000 on a gun just to bring your groups from half inch to quarter inch . Just my preference for my budget , if i win the lotto im sure i will own a few pcps lol .....

[@shaneweightman]

Most springers are ready to go with a tin of pellets, pcp , usually don’t have open sights , but ur right what your saying , I didn’t really have a choice as a 14 yr old kid don’t think you could get a pcp , 40:yrs ago ,,, the first of air technologies I remember was pulling out part of the stock and giving the gun ten pumps ,, ha ha they were the days ,, lots of men with one strong 💪 bicep Cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧

[@airgunology]

Times change, I too remember when PCP were things of mythical legends and springers were all the common man / kid could get.

[@troywest7111]

The choice between the two just became simple since the introduction of the Gamo Swarm Magnum. This break barrel destroys all the entry level PCP's. Steve, how about comparing the Swarm Magnum in a video? You will lose alot of the PCP crowd.

[@airgunology]

Would love to review one, if I can get one of a subscriber. Looks a fun break barrel.

[@grindle1234]

bsa lightning for 200 i want 10

[@airgunology]

Yeah I got mine for that price ages ago, they are around if you hunt for them.

[@stickman-1]

When it comes to springs tension and compression are opposites. In one part of the video you say it's compression and another part you say it's in tension. It can't be both in the same gun.

[@airgunology]

compression of course, just mixing my words in the video.

[@Romans--bo7br]

@@airgunology.... actually, when you (re: anyone) Compress a spring, you Are creating static tension..., on the spring, the cocking mechanism and the entire trigger mechanism, until it is released by the trigger and sear. You have to create Compression of the spring in order to store kinetic energy within the spring, and that.. in itself is Tension on the spring and all the aforementioned parts. Any mechanical spring, whether it is a Compression spring (as used in Airguns), or an Extension spring (as used in trampolines for example)... is always in a Non - tension state while relaxed, and when either extended or compressed to store energy... there is "tension" on it , waiting to be released. Great Videos.... am a subscriber from the mid-western US.

[@ljw2896]

Springers break scopes so be aware scope has to be made for a springer due to violent recoil

[@airgunology]

Indeed, ensure they are recoil resistant.

[@ljw2896]

Steve Allan I recently purchased a Diana Bullseye Zero Recoil Mount it works great I can now use any scope

[@tonyv8925]

Oh yes! My Crosman 1000x is on its 3rd scope! I even telephoned Pyramid Air and asked for recommended scopes for that rifle...guess what? 200rounds later, that scope rattles like a tin of BBs! Oh well...

[@currypac]

Best compromise CO2 for midprice

[@thekitowl]

No Co2 or G ram . Are these not suitable for beginners ? Any beginner using KZbin for advice will have come across these, I know I have.

[@airgunology]

They are options of course.

[@timswalkabout1498]

It took me 20 year's to change to PCP lol

[@felgate11]

Springer for a beginner all day long, it's better to understand the power & the damage they can do before progressing to a PCP - AND Air is Free with a Springer!! PCP's are not cheap should one decide that shooting is not for them. A half decent Springer can come in at £50 - £100 with open sights - a scope can come later!! get used to it by firing at tin cans etc & make sure you like it before you spend more on something better!!

[@shermdog6969]

Poll. Who learns to shoot lying down?

[@airgunology]

I have hidden and banned the comments by INFO MUTT from this channel before it gets messy. Thanks all.

[@--SD--]

Steve Allan ha! probably a good idea. He's a bit of a plonker. I probably shouldn't have bothered replying to him but you know how it can be.

[@airgunology]

No worries, it happens when channels get popular ;)

[@--SD--]

Steve Allan keep up the good work man, it's good to see a guy just presenting honest reviews and genuine opinions. I thought about making a channel along the same lines but in all honesty I suck at making videos so I never bothered. Maybe one day eh! until then - very best of luck to you and I hope your channel explodes (in a good way) - atb

[@bonsaiph6409]

If you want excercise You like manual pump... If you don't want to remove your belly fat you buy ah tank 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 hahahaha.

[@shiroxyui]

lmfao - "I hardly ever use my springer and use my PCPs - but i recommend you get the springer" XD Well said. Now more confused than ever. In all fairness, PCP is probably the best to go with, as a newcomer you'll get more dopamine hitting your target and getting into this way whereas getting frustrated from not hitting your target with springer. It's probably best to get both if you like it enough.

[@radar2119]

In the USA we mostly just cruise past the Springer's because we can have any power/energy we want. Springer's are way limited, destroy scopes, ammo picky, and inaccurate. Go straight to PCP, by an inexpensive electric pump and never look back.

[@airgunology]

You are lucky to have the choice. But there is also an art to shooting lower powered rifles as well as the challenge. Spingers are popular in the USA as well for those reasons.

[@YZER19]

Love the simplicity of a springer BUT the reloading is fucking tedious!!! Love the repeating action of a pcp rifle. But the limited amount of shots before having to pump it up is tedious.

[@airgunology]

Modern day PCP's have anywhere from 200 - 500 shots per fill, more than enough

[@RiotxNation777]

Amy engineers out there..look into the Gamo swarm ..find a way to make a universal pellet feeder with a 10 round magazine built in for any break barel rifle..i promise you that there is where the money is

[@airgunology]

Looks good and been out a year and not got my hands on one yet.

[@YZER19]

Their are great pcp rifles for around 200 bugs. High quality german made.

[@falchester]

what brand

[@gehtdianschasau8372]

Well explained, but PCP`s do have recoil. Something goes out one end with 40 joule, there will be the same force acting in the opposite direction. That is basic physics, how can anybody not know this?

[@airgunology]

Not everyone is as educated. Thanks for the comments :)

[@gehtdianschasau8372]

XD great answer, keep up making great videos and have fun while doing so!

[@MrAllancord]

if you're filthy rich get a pcp.

[@airgunology]

hahahaa

[@davewalker3873]

Missed as usual 😂😂😂

[@ilijabosnjak76]

SPRINGER that’s how I roll…

[@2l84t]

Try the Nitro piston .I gave away my springer.

[@lfcmarkeb7124]

I was consideringdering a Gamo HPA MI-MAXXIM IGT as a cheaper alternative to say an RM8 hmmm gamo a gas ram with reduced recoil

[@briansmith430]

I Vote Gas Ram!

[@theoneandonlykctcb6366]

Them pcp looks ugly, and take's too much pissing about. Break barrel all day for me. Air gun or flat tyre?.

[@stewartrobertson2337]

the spring gun will show you how to shoot proper and get used to handling of a rifle, end of!!! atvb Stu.

[@airgunology]

Stewart Robertson yup as said in the vid. thanks for watching