Jump Off the IHOPKC Sinking Ship and Save Your Faith!

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The Messed Up Church

The Messed Up Church

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@juhanipitkakari5999
@juhanipitkakari5999 11 ай бұрын
Personality cults are poison to any Christian. Don't you never, ever, have other heros than Jesus Christ. You won't be disappointed.
@RoseSharon7777
@RoseSharon7777 11 ай бұрын
Worshipping ANY MAN as God is an abomination. That includes Jesus. As he himself said in Matthew 4:10 we shall worship YHWH and HIM ONLY shall we serve. The rot and deception goes back over 1800 years to the beast, catholic church and her mystery religion of Babylon.
@nadams8863
@nadams8863 8 ай бұрын
Amen✝️❤️🙏
@phillipteems6617
@phillipteems6617 5 ай бұрын
This here
@robschaffnit7457
@robschaffnit7457 10 ай бұрын
All these people that know so much about God ? But NO ONE FEARS GOD ! ! !
@calleenwrigley8121
@calleenwrigley8121 11 ай бұрын
I love people who are dedicated to the truth, thank you!!!
@LongforTruth1
@LongforTruth1 11 ай бұрын
My friend, your work is invaluable to the body of Christ. Your research is stellar. Thank you for your hard work!
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch 11 ай бұрын
Who are you and why are you commenting on my channel?!
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch 11 ай бұрын
😉
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch 11 ай бұрын
You’re the best!!
@lcollins4313
@lcollins4313 11 ай бұрын
@@StevenKozarMessedUpChurchNEW NEW UPDATE ‼️‼️‼️PLEASE CAPTURE WAKE UP AND WIN CHANNEL : Former IHOPKC MEMBER. PLEASE B4 They scrub the info. CAPTURE IT ON VID. DANGEROUS ⚠️‼️‼️⚠️‼️ They are getting BETRAYED ON THESE CHANNEL. IHOPKC IS INTERNATIONAL CULT. ALSO NEW DR BROWN VID. “ MB SMILING WITH HANDS ARE VERY YOUNG GIRLS . I also found MB prophecy story. Jesus Christ is going to give ihopdc a mantle a special cloak of immunity, of Grace for everyone’s past transgressions or Word of Knowledge in a vision. THANK YOU. IM not a bot . I’m very traumatized by the escalation and the naivety of the leadership and their trust. One advocate said after talking, the cold look was that of a cult. THANK YOU !! 🎉
@paulettekozar2629
@paulettekozar2629 11 ай бұрын
Steve did a great job! this was a very labor intensive job- I Thank God for this!!
@bullbikkov7239
@bullbikkov7239 11 ай бұрын
Amen! Thanks for what you and Steve do , Paulette
@zhentu5169
@zhentu5169 11 ай бұрын
This is needed for body of Christ to see the truth and stop getting deluded in charismatic church. Thank you both for hard works
@paulettekozar2629
@paulettekozar2629 11 ай бұрын
@@zhentu5169 Thank you very much for your comment and support. God bless you
@paulettekozar2629
@paulettekozar2629 11 ай бұрын
@@bullbikkov7239 thank you very much for your support we so appreciate it! God bless you!
@jackiwheeler6963
@jackiwheeler6963 7 ай бұрын
Thank you Paulette and Steve. You guys rock!!😊
@dnoslen6124
@dnoslen6124 11 ай бұрын
You mean not one person at IHOPKC didn’t have a prophetic vision that Bickel had been having an affair?
@indigatorveritatis8891
@indigatorveritatis8891 11 ай бұрын
touche!😅
@robbinarnold2296
@robbinarnold2296 11 ай бұрын
It’s the Club!!
@jimmybrowning4888
@jimmybrowning4888 10 ай бұрын
Don't forget the guys at remnant radio. They did 15 videos with bickel, looks like they would have seen something?
@chazAD33
@chazAD33 10 ай бұрын
None of the 11 saw Judas’ double life, or had any indication that Judas wasn’t just as anointed as the rest. Only the Lord knew and he still allowed him to serve, preach and do miracles until it was time.
@indigatorveritatis8891
@indigatorveritatis8891 10 ай бұрын
@@chazAD33 But lots of people like me saw his heretical claims. That should have been enough
@GrabEmByThePlushie
@GrabEmByThePlushie 11 ай бұрын
People defending Mike Pickle: "don't you dare judge Mike but I'm going to judge you harshly for judging him"
@Maxandshe
@Maxandshe 9 ай бұрын
Excellent observation. Truth.
@Weissguys6
@Weissguys6 11 ай бұрын
Steve, I want to thank you. I’ve been reading and doing a bit of research on this very subject recently, and then in such a timely manner here you are with a succinct and clear explanation of what is happening. I’m going to study the links tomorrow. Just wanted to say thanks now. I can only imagine all the work and editing that went into this. So many people have been hurt by this “movement.” I appreciate your channel being a knowledgeable and trustworthy source. May God continue to bless you and Paulette as you serve Him. 🙏
@Weissguys6
@Weissguys6 11 ай бұрын
Can you link the Erne Gruen sermon and document? I can’t seem to find these.
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch 11 ай бұрын
@@Weissguys6 I put them in the description now. Blessings to you!!
@steveguti6452
@steveguti6452 11 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ died for our Sins according to the scriptures and that he was Buried and that he Rose again the third day praise God praying for everyone everyday God bless you All
@marilynsamaniego4652
@marilynsamaniego4652 11 ай бұрын
According to what scriptures? The only scriptures the Jews followed were in Tenakh.. so which scripture was the NT author speaking of? There’s no scripture in all of the OT that mentions anyone needing to die for anyone’s sins to be forgiven. Not one scripture.
@kirilpougatch5451
@kirilpougatch5451 9 ай бұрын
@@marilynsamaniego4652I would encourage you to read Isaiah 53 in its entirety. To paraphrase, it speaks of an anointed servant of God (the Messiah) there will bear the iniquity of His people, taking their punishment, being put to death (crushed), and then God raising Him from the dead by “prolonging His days”. Check it out for yourself 👍.
@TommyNitro
@TommyNitro 9 ай бұрын
@marilyn, read Isaiah 53
@ab-gail
@ab-gail 11 ай бұрын
God help the women effected and the people at IHOPKC. Praying God sustains them at this time. 🙏
@gigiis526
@gigiis526 11 ай бұрын
*affected
@stevenhoward3880
@stevenhoward3880 11 ай бұрын
Get OUT!!!! Wake up!! NAR ,, run from it !!! Super spiritual crazy’s !!
@TheJpep2424
@TheJpep2424 11 ай бұрын
Praying they repent of believing the false gospel of nar/ihope and get saved.
@dolandlydia
@dolandlydia 11 ай бұрын
If a woman chooses to have an affair there is responsibility on thier part.
@caramares2669
@caramares2669 11 ай бұрын
@@dolandlydiano, no, no! That’s not what happened at all. This is a case of a cult leader brainwashing women, and stating “prophetic things” to groom them. They didn’t just jump in the sack with him…they were groomed over time to feel important and special by a world leader in the Charismatic movement. These were very young women, who were vulnerable due to being away from home the first time and told over and over that Mike spoke for God. These were not consensual affairs, and to state otherwise is victim shaming. It’s why victims don’t speak up. They think nobody will believe them and then they’ll get accused of the same thing you stated here. I know because I’m a victim of brainwashing/spiritual/sexual abuse by a church leader. It was the most humiliating time of my life bringing my abuse to light. I’m glad people believed me, and didn’t respond like you just did here. Please reconsider this, and look into cults, grooming, predators, etc. The manipulation of a predator is absolutely disgusting and mind blowing.
@aztec0112
@aztec0112 11 ай бұрын
Bickle's message to IHOP's church, prior to this being blown up in the media, where he was low key prophesying that storms were coming and NOT TO BELIEVE THEM, was one of the most reprehensible things I have ever heard leveled from a pulpit.
@servantofmessiah1071
@servantofmessiah1071 11 ай бұрын
Bickle is, period, reprehensible.
@robynmarler1951
@robynmarler1951 11 ай бұрын
Shameless!! He must be really a secret atheist.
@kiffinbrown9299
@kiffinbrown9299 11 ай бұрын
Sad commentary of a man living double minded with the flesh winning. However you do damage to genuine pentecostols. The term is as generic as baptist some great and some despicable.
@Marlaina
@Marlaina 11 ай бұрын
​@@robynmarler1951His bad fruit screams that he definitely doesn't have a fear of God
@namelesswreck6383
@namelesswreck6383 11 ай бұрын
I don't understand why people are not understanding the level of wickedness that he has manifested through the years and yet they still think to "restore him with love" ...he is not even a Christian.
@hvr66
@hvr66 11 ай бұрын
The first problem is calling anyone a spiritual father! That’s worshipping man instead of God. Restoration?! He needs to be in jail for sexual abuse! The victims deserve affirmation & justice!
@cateclism316
@cateclism316 6 ай бұрын
Jesus said, "Call no man on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. (Matt. 21:9)"
@MyHome7_Carla
@MyHome7_Carla 11 ай бұрын
I have been to IHOP twice and both times I felt very uncomfortable because people were telling me they had a "word" from God for me. Then in the prophecy room, my spirit really felt uncomfortable. I knew these people were making things up about me. But I went through with it all bc my sister took my there for mu birthday. We live about 2hrs away. I don't know if she still follows him or not. I hope not.
@dashlamb9318
@dashlamb9318 11 ай бұрын
You felt uncomfortable because IHOPKC is a CULT
@AnonyMom777
@AnonyMom777 10 ай бұрын
I have watched testimonies of YWAM staff giving words to students...same thing. "God has forgiven your sexual transgressions..." to virgins. All of this is demonic.
@sorenrousseau
@sorenrousseau 9 ай бұрын
That sounds like the worst birthday ever lol.
@angelirohival6270
@angelirohival6270 8 ай бұрын
They are very creepy!
@DW-yq4zn
@DW-yq4zn 11 ай бұрын
As serious as this subject is, hard not to laugh when Chan said he heard Bickle was creepy.
@suechapel1443
@suechapel1443 10 ай бұрын
I wonder if Chan would feel comfortable with allowing his female loved ones around him? 🤔
@Georgie-br5wb
@Georgie-br5wb 9 ай бұрын
Sure makes we seriously question all These guys’ discernment
@cecilraines3814
@cecilraines3814 9 ай бұрын
Chan what a fake
@JuliexSteadman
@JuliexSteadman 9 ай бұрын
@@cecilraines3814 at 51:48 "you are going to ditch all that about Mike Bickle because you heard something from a friend" LOL !! What about Ernie Gruens report in the 1990's, that the kansas city prophets went round prophesiying over churches that they should come under their authority or close down !! - outrageous... These guys cant actually believe in God or their consiences are so seared that they are blind...
@carlawaldemar1557
@carlawaldemar1557 8 ай бұрын
You mean hard not to vomit.
@brettmagnuson8318
@brettmagnuson8318 11 ай бұрын
Steve, the level of work you have put into these videos is truly amazing and I’m very grateful. Thank you for all of this labor birthed out of love for Christ and his bride.
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch 11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much, Brett!!
@robynmarler1951
@robynmarler1951 11 ай бұрын
This is solid journalism.💪
@jizx8070
@jizx8070 10 ай бұрын
Do you notice how Bickle manipulates everyone by buttering up Sam Storms?
@IBLV2DOU
@IBLV2DOU 11 ай бұрын
Thank you, Steve for putting so much information about IHOP and this scandal together. It had to be a lot of searching for truth, and sorting out lies. I didn’t pay much attention to this scandal, but it sure turned out to be a sad mess, much like Houston and his ministers. Lord help those who are affected to not lose faith. 🙏
@ntiffin72
@ntiffin72 11 ай бұрын
Bickle is in a pickle. The accusations began to trickle, his followers turned away and proved to be fickle
@Window4503
@Window4503 11 ай бұрын
Now he’s out of ears to tickle
@mayor-of-destinthanwork1001
@mayor-of-destinthanwork1001 10 ай бұрын
I knew Mike Bickle was interested in the Nickel but he was just as interested in using his Pickle 😢
@JuliexSteadman
@JuliexSteadman 10 ай бұрын
@@mayor-of-destinthanwork1001 LOL !! although i should probably cry really.... 🙂
@jimmybrowning4888
@jimmybrowning4888 11 ай бұрын
The guys over at remanant radio talk about all the "prophecies of knowledge " that they get right, so how could this happen, and these highly gifted, arrogant young men not have seen this coming . Come on radio guys why didn't you get this word of knowledge .
@jenkinsbrigade9862
@jenkinsbrigade9862 11 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if the RR guys believe that modern words of knowledge are only ever positive, just like many or most Pentecostals believe that modern prophecy is only supposed to be positive and encouraging.
@paula100762
@paula100762 11 ай бұрын
I quit listening to them!
@CieloVistaSoftware
@CieloVistaSoftware 10 ай бұрын
Remnant Radio are cultists Charismatic theology blinds everyone who partakes.
@lavieenrose5954
@lavieenrose5954 6 ай бұрын
Highly gifted in what??
@DrewJacobson61
@DrewJacobson61 11 ай бұрын
My appreciation for you Steve, is liftink ❤
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch 11 ай бұрын
Hahaha!! Thank you very much!
@shadowboxcat
@shadowboxcat 11 ай бұрын
🤣
@kuuipojones631
@kuuipojones631 11 ай бұрын
This IHOP is a man made ministry,not God!Ny word that God gives to a man to reveal to the people MUST come to pass,if it does Not he is a FALSE PROPHET!
@scottgonzalez7574
@scottgonzalez7574 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing all the investigative work on this video. Great work. These destructive ministries need to be exposed!
@dashlamb9318
@dashlamb9318 11 ай бұрын
I used to attend Ernie Gruen's church. And I was in Ernie's meeting where he actually preached this message, as he did at numerous Churches throughout Kansas City Area to warn pastures of the dangers of Mike Bickle. Those who did not pay attention to Pastor Gruen, "smarted" for it.
@bobpaul4572
@bobpaul4572 11 ай бұрын
Amen! Thank You for Sharing That! Pastor Gruen was a Hero of the Christian Faith!!
@dashlamb9318
@dashlamb9318 10 ай бұрын
@@bobpaul4572 So true.
@JuliexSteadman
@JuliexSteadman 10 ай бұрын
@@bobpaul4572 infortunately Pastor Gruen had his own weaknesses and so his document lost some of its credibility.
@bobpaul4572
@bobpaul4572 10 ай бұрын
@@JuliexSteadman You seem to know more about Pastor Gruen than I do. What happened with him?
@JesusChrist-n9k
@JesusChrist-n9k 9 ай бұрын
​@@JuliexSteadman Yea and Peter denied Jesus 3 times. He was still greatly used by Him. We all have weaknesses. Don't confuse a man's adamic nature with a apostate/wolf character.
@rita8091
@rita8091 11 ай бұрын
Costi Hinn doesn't buy his uncle's recent changes.
@ludwigamadeushaydn706
@ludwigamadeushaydn706 11 ай бұрын
And I'm sure Costi would be the first to know, one of the first steps of Benny's repentance would be calling up Costi and saying "you were right"
@glorialovesChrist
@glorialovesChrist 11 ай бұрын
Benny has flipped back to the false doctrine.
@hutchhutchinson3133
@hutchhutchinson3133 11 ай бұрын
@@glorialovesChrist Benny never left the false doctrine.
@nealm6764
@nealm6764 11 ай бұрын
Hinn's son-in-law and daughter's church "Jesus Image" is featuring Benny more and more and they are starting to go down the healing route... I get the sense the son-in-law really tried to make an honest go of being a scripture-based pastor, but Benny and the daughter wore him down.
@glorialovesChrist
@glorialovesChrist 11 ай бұрын
@@hutchhutchinson3133 Benny said that he repented from the prosperity gospel. Then he goes back. Ya Maybe he never left it.
@deanmabry2395
@deanmabry2395 11 ай бұрын
This reminds me of Ravi Zacharias
@xin0
@xin0 11 ай бұрын
It is very sad. That Ravi doesn't even look like someone who could do such things. God is exposing all these leaders lies, they are hypocrite. The fact is, if God exposes these people whilst they are alive, it is actually His grace so that the person can repent. But if God exposes these people while dead, no chance for repentance!
@katcraig7525
@katcraig7525 11 ай бұрын
100% It sounds like a cult too.
@JuliexSteadman
@JuliexSteadman 10 ай бұрын
@@xin0 yes, thats worrying, he possibly didnt make it... Ravi was one of the last people i would have suspected..
@wayfarer1101
@wayfarer1101 10 ай бұрын
RAVI was not part of the "NAR". He was not even charismatic. Through and through evangelical.
@marymatthews9766
@marymatthews9766 11 ай бұрын
great video....ernie gruen's paper was one of the things that helped me see and confirm to myself that I wasn't crazy with what was going on with the prophetic/prosperity/nar/bill johnson/etc - came out about 15 yrs ago -- the day of infamy also put the cherry on top as to totally cutting all strings to these guys....thanks for your videos!
@dannicooper5571
@dannicooper5571 11 ай бұрын
Not one word of knowledge to anyone at IHOP that MB was a wolf and up to no good. Says it all. Movement of Man is IHOPrey
@dashlamb9318
@dashlamb9318 10 ай бұрын
I like to call it International House of Perverts.
@zhentu5169
@zhentu5169 11 ай бұрын
Thank you Steve for the hard work. This whole situation is sad.
@tamaraabbas3875
@tamaraabbas3875 11 ай бұрын
This was brilliant Steve. Love your research. The facts are undeniable. Thank you brother!!
@kristenyurek4490
@kristenyurek4490 11 ай бұрын
Wow! Hailing from your Phoenix campus. So well thought out and edited! Thanks for getting the unadulterated truth out there, Steve! 💛
@SongoftheBride
@SongoftheBride 11 ай бұрын
GREAT job. Thank you Jesus for exposing more wolves and their lies. He is faithful and will continue to expose more of them. Jimmy Swaggart, you are next!!
@henrya.escobar9716
@henrya.escobar9716 10 ай бұрын
You sound like a hater of the Pentecostal brethren.
@cheryldenerichardson8020
@cheryldenerichardson8020 5 ай бұрын
Dude you brought it!!! You proved that anytime we think that we are greater than GOD, We lie to ourselves. This video made me get honest with myself. Asking "Is it me or, is it GOD??"
@Tracey..H
@Tracey..H 11 ай бұрын
Please pray for my only sons salvation- he seems more open. Tyvm my heart breaks to have a non believing child 😢😢
@sdgtrlvr6922
@sdgtrlvr6922 11 ай бұрын
With you sister.
@Dilley_G45
@Dilley_G45 11 ай бұрын
8:40 Dear Francis, he doesn't love you back, you're not his type. That's why you're safe.....just kidding probably he is into you just too scared to go after a person that looks like he can say no firmly. Predators usually go for easy prey that's why my kids do martial arts
@Dilley_G45
@Dilley_G45 11 ай бұрын
10:09 ihopp needs to be dissolved ... YES! ✔ ✅ ✔ ✅ ✔
@apples_and_orchards3205
@apples_and_orchards3205 11 ай бұрын
I’ll be praying for him! I have two grown children who deny God and I’m grieved every second of my life! I know the pain 💔🙏🤗
@shirleyhein8563
@shirleyhein8563 11 ай бұрын
Yup. Me too.😔🙏🙏​@@apples_and_orchards3205
@Macntosh2
@Macntosh2 7 ай бұрын
I knew him when he was in St. Louis back in the late 70’s. Did not know him well, but he preached a little at my church back then at New Covenant. He was really nothing that special, just an ordinary guy who wanted to preach. I was shocked to learn that he was this special prophet who did a lot of crazy stuff later on in KC. Not sure what happened to him when he went to KC, and why so many charismatic leaders believed in him, but wow, what a story. Fortunately, I left the charismatic movement by 1980.
@duskatdawn7
@duskatdawn7 11 ай бұрын
Why isn’t anyone speaking about adultery? NAR false teaching gives you a pass with all sexual sins, but again they all seems to downplay adultery by the leaders because of his speaking abilities.
@charliesmith12345
@charliesmith12345 11 ай бұрын
Just push delete and keep on sinning! - Mike Bickle
@JesusChrist-n9k
@JesusChrist-n9k 9 ай бұрын
Bickel isn't nar. And I do believe in nar. Bickle did his own thing.
@servantofmessiah1071
@servantofmessiah1071 11 ай бұрын
Sam Storms wow. Thanks for exposing this man.
@jameswhite7997
@jameswhite7997 11 ай бұрын
What do you mean? Sam storms exposed someone or Sam storms was exposed? Genuine question
@amyhenningsgard8618
@amyhenningsgard8618 10 ай бұрын
@@jameswhite7997Sam Storms was the one who was exposed, according to the commenter.
@bluesky9229
@bluesky9229 9 ай бұрын
There was a word a couple of years ago where the Lord said He is going to bring things to light, starting with His church!
@TheElizabethashby
@TheElizabethashby 11 ай бұрын
I NEVER TRUSTED FRANCIS CHAN I ALWAYS HAD A BAD GUT FEELING ABOUT HIM
@markwarne5049
@markwarne5049 10 ай бұрын
Wat did Francis do wrong?
@dashlamb9318
@dashlamb9318 10 ай бұрын
Chan is just a Bull Sh*t artist attracted by Americans because Chan is Asian. It's like giving a person an English accent, elevates them in the eyes of gullible Americans. Same thing with Chan. Were he a WASP no one would give him the time of day.
@dashlamb9318
@dashlamb9318 10 ай бұрын
@@markwarne5049 He pretended to know something he absolutely knew nothing about and berated the "Church" for their inferiority. Total opposite of what the Bible admonishing pastors and teachers to do. Among a host of other garbage from Mars Hill
@uncletacosupreme7023
@uncletacosupreme7023 10 ай бұрын
Man there was a time that he wasnt so bad. Early on he preached sin and salvation through faith alone. It makes me sad because I think he could have been deeply impactful had he stayed the course. You cant sit at the table with heretics and false prophets. I still pray for him when I think about it.
@Ethanthesharkganne
@Ethanthesharkganne 10 ай бұрын
@@dashlamb9318 what??? He berated the church for what? Look, Chan isn't perfect just like the rest of us. But he is out there doing more for Jesus than most. He leads with his heart an love for God, for better or worse. He is a good man a good teacher and has more good fruit in his life than most of us. You can't lump him in with a liar who happened to con him along with alot of other good hearted brothers and sisters. He deserves some grace just Ike the rest. If you hav done more for the Lord than Chan then good for you but I doubt it. It's easy to be an armchair Christian after the fact and start throwing stones. But he is on the field trying his best to do the work. If you don't think so just research Frances Chan and what he has done for the church and the lost. And continues to do. It's all I good. Just try and give a little grace is all I think I'm saying.
@pilgrimsprogresschristian
@pilgrimsprogresschristian 11 ай бұрын
Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 Excellent video presentation Steve. Absolutely brilliantly put together. Thank you for all your work. God bless Andrew.
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch 11 ай бұрын
Many thanks!
@stevenvalett1231
@stevenvalett1231 11 ай бұрын
Run from these Charismatic false leaders and run to the Bible and sound doctrine. The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth. John 16:13.
@jackiwheeler6963
@jackiwheeler6963 7 ай бұрын
Amen!!
@lavieenrose5954
@lavieenrose5954 6 ай бұрын
Exactly…fake Christianity ❤
@KevinHale-vq2xr
@KevinHale-vq2xr 11 ай бұрын
Chan is now real creepy so it would be difficult for him to see it.
@charliesmith12345
@charliesmith12345 11 ай бұрын
Yeah Chan has gone super weird
@jenicarter4190
@jenicarter4190 11 ай бұрын
I agree! I hate his voice now, super sleazy!
@dashlamb9318
@dashlamb9318 11 ай бұрын
I've always thought was Chan a creep and a total B. S. artist. How he ever even got into the ministry is a mystery to me. I think it's only be cause people feel sorry for a Asian dude who needs a job as a Christian leader. I don't think Asians people know who Chan is and don't care. Just deceived white people like Chan.
@Window4503
@Window4503 11 ай бұрын
“Is now?” “Has gone?” He’s always seemed off to me. That’s why I never touched his content.
@racheldelacruz3665
@racheldelacruz3665 11 ай бұрын
IMPOV Chan was completely threatening whomever he's was speaking to through that video 😳
@Gregoire0
@Gregoire0 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for showing the truth. Another cult leader been exposed. Very sad 😔 how many more "leaders" like Mike and Bickle is still active. God help us🙏
@PLNK2024
@PLNK2024 11 ай бұрын
Thanks kozar for this great video. I've been Following this since the news first broke in october like many of you. I'm so grateful for the Lord's words, "you will know them by their fruit". I know that there are probably so many Christians hurting out there and confused and possibly ready to abandon their faith because they might not be able to ever trust a preacher again. Or they might be confused On how to find a good preacher and what that looks like. If we know them by their fruit, then we can confidently follow pastors who have sound doctrine with a congregation who tests the sermons against scripture. I just pray that these people who might be confused and disillusioned come to find a great channel like the Messed Up Church or Rosebrough, like I did a few years back, that really helped me see the true gospel and how to filter through and identify false teachers.
@flashhog01
@flashhog01 11 ай бұрын
I learned of IHOP about 15 years ago. Didn’t take much digging to see it for the cult it is. I pray the faith of those ensnared is not destroyed.
@kriskoppy2753
@kriskoppy2753 9 ай бұрын
There were two people in all of Scripture who devoted themselves to a life of prayer in the Temple. 2…. IHOP created a new ministry title that they called “intercession prayer missionary.” Thousands of people living off the resources of others and welfare. “If you don’t work, you don’t eat.” Prayer is to be a secret venture. One in which I pray to my Father in secret and He rewards me openly. Also, the ongoing model of night and day prayer, does not “force” the hand of God. We deceive ourselves when we think that we will be “more heard” because of “our many prayers.” The immorality at IHOP is egregious but not new, and sadly not surprising. Numerous church leaders over the course of my life have supposed that God must have been giving them a pass and overlooking their immorality, because of the success of their ministry. Nothing could be further from the truth. Hero worship in the church has to end. Another “Wizard of Oz” has been discovered and more curtains need to be pulled back.
@jenkinsbrigade9862
@jenkinsbrigade9862 11 ай бұрын
Watching videos like this one makes this ex-Pentecostal ill. Only after I came out of the movement did I discover that pretty much its entire history is a train wreck of lies, scandals, and cover-ups. Interesting that their version of the 'Holy Spirit' -- the one behind a ceaseless stream of false prophecies, fake tongues, and bogus miracles -- also seems incapable of alerting Pentecostals to the gross sexual sins and corruption in their midst. This is why I am repulsed by enablers like Sam Storms, Francis Chan, and the Remnant Radio guys, even if they may hold to some doctrines on which I would otherwise agree with them. Their inability to exercise even basic discernment, coupled with their shameless running of interference for known frauds, places them squarely in the 'mark and avoid' category.
@kaybrown4010
@kaybrown4010 11 ай бұрын
That was fire. Thank you, Kozars! 🔥
@MarkTorres-i1v
@MarkTorres-i1v 6 ай бұрын
Steave thank you brother, when ever i hear your voice, the spirit in me confirms that im listening to someone, who truly Loves, king Jesus.
@andrewpery4787
@andrewpery4787 9 ай бұрын
A wonderfully thorough job done here - I really appreciate the effort and hard work done on this video. Thank you.
@frankgrubb9416
@frankgrubb9416 11 ай бұрын
I love that the Church is so quick to forgive....but....if i may...perhaps we are TOO quick to do so and without Biblical instruction.. ...i love the work yall do...encourages me to be vigilant as well..!
@RT-gv6us
@RT-gv6us 11 ай бұрын
I come from a cessationist Reformed/Calvinist background and many in my camp have held HIGH respect for Sam Storms, by saying that even though he is a continuationist he is very much a scholar. Well, here is my question: If even the most highly respected continuationist "scholars" were duped and fooled by Mike Bickle, then how much MORE should someone like me stay away from the entire Continuationist/Pentecostal/Charismatic camp including "scholars" like Sam Storms???
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch 11 ай бұрын
Exactly!!
@lynnnelson4519
@lynnnelson4519 11 ай бұрын
Remember…the disciples were clueless about Judas.
@JesusChrist-n9k
@JesusChrist-n9k 9 ай бұрын
​@@lynnnelson4519 Wisdom right here.
@lelanicampher4813
@lelanicampher4813 6 ай бұрын
I just find it sad that christians fear the true Holy Spirit of God because of crooks like this. The Holy Spirit will never lead us into chaos or error, but will confirm the Word of God.
@boomer1049
@boomer1049 5 ай бұрын
​@@lynnnelson4519Yeah they didn't have recorded videos to go back and prove the facts!
@dennisdavis6960
@dennisdavis6960 9 ай бұрын
These men preach the gifts of the Spirit. How is it that they never use discerning of spirits and they say " we just did not know." They are liars or guilty of the same
@Maxandshe
@Maxandshe 9 ай бұрын
I'd say Francis Chan just totally disqualified himself from any kind of prophetic utterances in the future.
@jeremiahyeo5863
@jeremiahyeo5863 11 ай бұрын
Mike Bickle’s stories about these prophecies that allegedly “came true”… Seem to carry the same kind of integrity like that of Joseph Smith about his five different versions of the first vision… It’s weird when you don’t get the facts right ….every time
@CieloVistaSoftware
@CieloVistaSoftware 10 ай бұрын
Sid Roth's daily TV show is a freak show. Sid has never proved anything.
@joh5918
@joh5918 9 ай бұрын
Unfortunately Sid introduced mamy false prophets through his TV shows
@carlawaldemar1557
@carlawaldemar1557 8 ай бұрын
Yes!! The stuff he features is a shocking clown show. I can hardly believe Christians sit in their audience and eat it up.
@guido8521
@guido8521 11 ай бұрын
Thank you Steve I am not Lutheran I am reformed but I have great respect for conservative Lutherans. I love your show Dan Long and Chris Roseboro amongst others The charismatic movement is out in left field -- has been for off and on two Millennia.... prayers for all of them and the people trapped in their nonsense. Read your bible, go to church, be at peace!
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!!☺️
@sramdeojohn4428
@sramdeojohn4428 11 ай бұрын
Judgement begins at the house of God ❤❤❤
@flowers1-2-1
@flowers1-2-1 11 ай бұрын
It does! The ax is laid at the root of the tree. Matthew 3:10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
@treasurevessel
@treasurevessel 11 ай бұрын
I find it very interesting in Matthew 7:15-23 when the Lord Jesus is talking about false prophets and then moves into the scariest words in the New Testament, " I never knew you" That all of those people that will hear those terrifying words sound just like the charismatic/ Pentecostal movement. I'm not saying by any means that everyone in that movement is false, but it is very interesting that these imposters make their appeal to prophecy, casting out demons and many mighty works/miracles, but their lives are full of lawlessness. "You will know a tree by its fruit."
@karencates5007
@karencates5007 11 ай бұрын
Well done and thank you! All glory to God!
@breathoflife8318
@breathoflife8318 9 ай бұрын
Mike Bickle did an interview years ago where he had a freudian slip. He was asked if IHOP was a cult, and replied without thinking “Yes”. From that point on I have thought this whole IHOP thing was sketchy, and built on sand. My heart goes out to the people that have been affected negatively over the years in this ministry. I think it would behoove the body of Christ to go back and re-examine the multitude of reports excusing IHOP of Spiritual abuse. Bob Jones, forced prolonged fasting at its ministry schools, shunning people who would raise questions about the fast and loose interpretation of scripture. The list goes on and on.
@brenmanock
@brenmanock 3 ай бұрын
Thank you kozars. Your work is setting people free from these heresies.
@scottdwyer646
@scottdwyer646 11 ай бұрын
I knew it! Thank God it's coming out!
@qballbuster100
@qballbuster100 11 ай бұрын
Your editing skills have gotten really really good. Been following for a while. Good stuff, once again.
@jackjones3657
@jackjones3657 11 ай бұрын
Pray the scales fall from the eyes of those duped by these false teachers. When we pray for Biblical discernment, fear God and humbly study His Word, it is hard to be deceived and even then The Spirit will prick the conscience of the believer that something is wrong. Flee these spiritual abusers.
@MariaKneas
@MariaKneas 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for what you're doing.
@jeremiahprows2494
@jeremiahprows2494 11 ай бұрын
So Bickle is a sociopath. Possibly a psychopath…
@BrotherJohnElving
@BrotherJohnElving 11 ай бұрын
God bless you. 🇨🇦
@stevenjohnson3883
@stevenjohnson3883 11 ай бұрын
I have been following the great job you have done on the Bickle story and I highly recommend that for anyone interested they should check out your recent video about all the locks Bickle had in his offices!!! WOW!!!!!
@angelirohival6270
@angelirohival6270 8 ай бұрын
Oh, my God! If I were Francis Chan I would be soooooooooooooooooooo embarrassed for defending him and feel sooooooooooooo foolish for having been duped by him! Wow!
@albertorodriguez6408
@albertorodriguez6408 10 ай бұрын
@9:17: "These are true prophetic words". That almost killed me... LOL.
@andrewk8857
@andrewk8857 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this work. God bless you!
@teedoubleu9602
@teedoubleu9602 11 ай бұрын
So glad to catch this live 😊
@lastdayschapel7427
@lastdayschapel7427 11 ай бұрын
This is so excellent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you thank you thank you thank uou!
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch
@StevenKozarMessedUpChurch 11 ай бұрын
You are so welcome!
@iw9338
@iw9338 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for covering this. Horrible foundation leads down the wrong road. Great job 👍
@AlizaDasha
@AlizaDasha 11 ай бұрын
Quote from Got Questions Quote " It is important to first define “contemplative prayer.” Contemplative prayer is not just “contemplating while you pray.” The Bible instructs us to pray with our minds (1 Corinthians 14:15), so, clearly, prayer does involve contemplation. However, praying with your mind is not what “contemplative prayer” has come to mean. Contemplative prayer has slowly increased in practice and popularity along with the rise of the emerging church movement-a movement which embraces many unscriptural ideas and practices. Contemplative prayer is one such practice. Contemplative prayer begins with “centering prayer,” a meditative practice where the practitioner focuses on a word and repeats that word over and over for the duration of the exercise. The purpose is to clear one’s mind of outside concerns so that God’s voice may be more easily heard. After the centering prayer, the practitioner is to sit still, listen for direct guidance from God, and feel His presence. Although this might sound like an innocent exercise, this type of prayer has no scriptural support whatsoever
@JaneDough-i2c
@JaneDough-i2c 7 ай бұрын
I gave up on a lot of messed up church after doing a New Testament study on suffering for Christ. Completely shifted my thinking on all the prosperity blessings blah blah blah.
@robynmarler1951
@robynmarler1951 11 ай бұрын
I feel a bit sorry for Sam Storms. I know what it's like to want SO MUCH for something to be true that you ignore red flags.
@TheJpep2424
@TheJpep2424 11 ай бұрын
Don't. He's choosing feelings over truth. He endorses Benny Hinn also. He has zero discernment or courage. Endorsing false teachers that deceive people is sinful. Pray he repents.
@chaddonal4331
@chaddonal4331 9 ай бұрын
@@TheJpep2424I don’t think he support Benny Hinn! Where did you get that info?
@steveguti6452
@steveguti6452 11 ай бұрын
Urgent emergency please join me in prayer for all those affected people children animals deadly out of control 7 alarm fire in north Brunswick NJ warehouse they desperately need your prayers please pray for them God bless you all
@pinkpoodle9831
@pinkpoodle9831 11 ай бұрын
these fires are just to much prayers In Jesus name they get that fire under control and nothing is harmed I pray for the people and animals
@AlyssaDDani
@AlyssaDDani 11 ай бұрын
Those ladies were being led astray by false prophets. People they were deceived into thinking were trustworthy and godly. People who everybody believed and followed and?adored. So they put their misgivings aside. After all everybody trusted and followed them. How could everybody be wrong? And they would be rejected if they didnt go along with it. But they would have status, acceptance, and rewards if they did. Plus the religious leaders were godly. God talked to them regularly didn't He? and used them? God even took them on trips to heaven regularly. They had signs and wonders. And besides You can't touch God's anointed. You can' t doubt or question them. These false prophets will face God and be judged.
@levipack3835
@levipack3835 11 ай бұрын
I went to that location several times because a family member enjoyed it. Every time I went there was always very bizarre behavior. Don't feel sorry for this "church". The "leaders" at the church would have seen the same things I saw but they would have seen it on a regular basis. I was only there about five times over the course of 10 years and every time I went I saw very bizarre behavior. They would have had to have seen this on a daily basis. This was definitely more like a cult than a church. For instance, one time I went I remember a lady writhing on the ground in the prayer room. I remember another person telling us that they didn't need to take medication anymore for their mental illness. The songs that they sing are extremely repetitive, to the point that they have no meaning. But more than anything I think the most bizarre thing that I saw while I was there was that they had interns that had to pay to go to school to learn how to be, I guess, prophets or something or church leaders and there was no official credit. There was no recognized degree they could get. That church literally was just using people and their labor for free with nothing in return. And that's evil. So I don't really feel sorry for those church leaders either. If you see bizarre behavior in small things and you don't do anything or say anything.... That's on you. If you allow a church to take money from people to get degrees that are not accredited and use their labor for free that's just wrong. I wouldn't feel sorry for these people and I wouldn't be surprised if there's other shenanigans going on at their new churches
@TheFordFunFam
@TheFordFunFam 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the great breakdown of this whole disgusting mess. My prayers fo out to the adcocate group and these young women that were complelety taken advantage of by this fruadster!!
@lydiahuawei8207
@lydiahuawei8207 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your education and information, we need more from you. God bless you ❤
@RD-wg7kx
@RD-wg7kx 11 ай бұрын
GREAT, detailed weather research, Steve. Kudos...& Bless ya.
@ronmurphy810
@ronmurphy810 9 ай бұрын
When I see IHOP I think of international house of Pancakes
@dashlamb9318
@dashlamb9318 11 ай бұрын
Chan you need to be afraid for your soul. And your threats mean nothing to me or God.
@sphtu8
@sphtu8 11 ай бұрын
Steve Kozar, thank you so much for your accuracy in the data. Speak the truth to HERESY! ⚔️
@bradorchard5828
@bradorchard5828 6 ай бұрын
I found the "Intimidation, Manipulation, Coercion, Threatening" tactics that the advocate group talked about interesting. I've been listening to a lot of programs from John Collins who used to be in William Branham's Message cult. He has said that Branham and the Message pastors regularly kept files on members and other ministers to use against them if they had to. More interesting was hearing that Paul Cain, who used to be with Branham and then became a "Kansas City prophet" used the SAME TECHNIQUES with people like Jack Deere when he felt threatened. And his acolyte, Mike Bickle, is now said to have tried to do the EXACT.SAME.THING.
@caramares2669
@caramares2669 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your hard work! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@consueloenlatierra6680
@consueloenlatierra6680 9 ай бұрын
Shouldnt also there be jail time for false leaders under fraud sentence?
@brenmanock
@brenmanock 11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much
@asliketheson
@asliketheson 11 ай бұрын
What’s NAR . Not always real ? Never acknowledge repentance ?
@nathanwatson1915
@nathanwatson1915 11 ай бұрын
National Apostasy Registry.
@francine6485
@francine6485 11 ай бұрын
​@@nathanwatson1915 IT stands for NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION. it's what they all belong to...lis.like a denomination
@nathanwatson1915
@nathanwatson1915 11 ай бұрын
@@francine6485 New Apostolic Reformation isn't anything like a denomination. It's a new MLM-like pyramid scheme structure where hyper charismatic church organizations, typically with one or only a few church campuses, are each ruled by an authoritarian dictator "apostle", and funnel money to a superior organization/apostle (unless they're at the top) and receive money from and provide "spiritual covering/supervision/permission" to subordinate organizations. The organizations have a few prophets in their stable. The organizations cooperate on money-making seminars and conferences, music concerts, books, other media. There is no central governing body anywhere like there would be in a denomination, and there are no local church boards that oversee the local pastor work. Just a bunch of greater and lesser dictators with a supportive prophetic staff grifting their supporters.
@AnonyMom777
@AnonyMom777 10 ай бұрын
New Apostolic Reformation. It's not so much a denomination as a movement. I feel this is important to note because it's creeping into almost all Christian churches across the world. Please get educated on this so you know the signs when it is creeping in to your church.
@asliketheson
@asliketheson 11 ай бұрын
My sheep hear my voice and follow me
@milesrupert4815
@milesrupert4815 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for your work, exposing these crooks.
@TheDrumDuke
@TheDrumDuke 11 ай бұрын
Testimony 37 reminded me of the NAR church I was in! I remember more than once, the pastor's wife (who also held the title of pastor) scolding the entire congregation from the microphone because they'd caught wind of conversations going on between members of the church about issues and concerns, and we were to stop being so dishonourable and divisive blah blah blah. I wonder if she knew she was talking like a cult leader....
@geoffgoddard1296
@geoffgoddard1296 10 ай бұрын
I cannot comment on this particular story but sadly this is just a small view into what's coming with these so-called leaders. Keep up the good work Steve!
@cosmichrist
@cosmichrist 11 ай бұрын
So sad. but important. Let the light shine in the darkness.
@heymichaelc
@heymichaelc 11 ай бұрын
All those "so-called" prophets, and prophetic words through song coming in and out of IHOP, not one prophetic word concerning the secret, manipulative, sexual misconduct, in the leadership. Funny how God does not address sin these days through prophecy. It's mostly concerning "I'm about to do", "there's a move on the way", "heavens rains are about to pour down", lol, I saw, attended and listen to it for 15 years and finally had enough, it's mere speculation dressed in prophecy, false prophecy. I've also seen first hand how the church is proficient in covering up it's own sin and using the Word of God as a tool to do so. This is why you never have an inner circle within a church, and any behind close door meetings involving leadership and church business should be recorded and made known to the members. The leadership should be transparent at all times, they should be held to a greater accountability, any sin dealing with a congregant should be kept private and be given time to repent, unless the congregant has given permission to make public. However, if you're in church leadership your life is an open door. Sorry but not sorry. "I wish I had known", "I never knew", "who would have thought", yea right, keep drinking the Kool-Aid. God sent me back to a church to rebuke it for covering up sin, the long story short, leadership was exposed and those involved were fired from ministry. Imagine if I had just kept my mouth shut and minded my own business. BICKLE and its followers also participate in many other man made devices such as DOMINION theology, seven mountain mandate, Joel’s Army, Last day apostles, contemplative prayer, bible verse projection, and the like. Ihop is well known for going beyond scripture and adding prophecies on top of what scripture already has made clear. It was evident a long time ago, many years before the current situation. Ihop was never called by God but used as an angel of light to deceive thousands.
@boomer1049
@boomer1049 5 ай бұрын
As soon as a so called prophet is wrong he becomes a false prophet!
@JamesWilliams-he4lb
@JamesWilliams-he4lb 11 ай бұрын
Really well done video, brother. In regard to the crisis of faith that people can have: I have benefited from some of Sam Storms writings - well before I knew he had any association with Bickle, etc. Once I realized the connection, it bothered me and I really had to think hard about various books I've read, in particular Storms' excellent book on Amillenialism. It didn't cause me to question my faith by any means, but my faith has been grounded in Christ and the Scriptures alone for many years. I can compartmentalize someone's academic work when the scholarship holds up, even if they may hold to some beliefs with which I disagree. All that said, I'm burdened by young and/or immature believers who aren't yet able to do that. I just can't wrap my head around this refusal in many charismatic circles to just call a spade "a spade." Storms, Chan, Remnant Radio - they can all distance themselves from Bickle but it's too little too late. The signs of rotten fruit were there - if not signs of sexual perversion - then at least the signs of lies, misinformation, and bad teaching and false prophecy.
@4paullou6
@4paullou6 11 ай бұрын
Thank you, thank you gorgeous doing extensive research based on facts, sensibilities, rational thinking, but more than anything, you are pointing the Light onto the Liars and weighing them against God’s Holy Word.
@feltongailey8987
@feltongailey8987 11 ай бұрын
If you love someone, you will, in turn, bring to their attention, ANYTHING that may need attention/correction, that they might, with prayer and supplication ask their Heavenly Father to ultimately bring about this correction. The individual, however, has to realize and admit that their exists in their life, something that needs correction.
@pastinmotionchannel
@pastinmotionchannel 11 ай бұрын
This is yet again biblical proof that GIFTS are not FRUIT...! Jesus said we will know them by their FRUIT, not by their GIFTS...! Jesus said it because He knew we as people can easily be deceived by impressive gifted leaders...
@Marlaina
@Marlaina 11 ай бұрын
These people don't actually possess gifts. They would need the Holy Spirit first.
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