Cut times and description of both saws with 20"-25" bar and chains. Stihl MS362 and MS400 chainsaw comparison.
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@wittsend19612 жыл бұрын
I bought the 362cm a year ago.. It became my go to saw... 2 months ago I bought the 500i...I've since gave my 362 to my son.. Absolutely love the stihl pro saws
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
They are fabulous saws!!! What size bar you rubbing on the 500?
@wittsend19612 жыл бұрын
25 inch stihl lightweight...I'm considering the 32 also. But the saw is perfectly balanced with the 25. I'm less fatigued running it all day than I was with the 362cm with the regular 25 inch bar
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
@@wittsend1961 I personally run a 28” on the 500 and it’s perfect
@wittsend19612 жыл бұрын
You running stihl chains ? I'm considering going back to a 7/32 file rather than the 13/64... 7/32 gets the gullet better imo
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
The 32” is a bit unbalanced but the 500 will pull it. You’ll likely like the 28 on it better
@MrFanatical12 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison… I just sold my 361 and bought the 400. Loved my 361 but the 400 is noticeably more powerful. I added the Stihl ES 20” light bar so my weight is about the same as my 361 and about a whole 1 HP more with the 400. I’m just cutting firewood, so it’s all the saw I need, but I must admit I been eyeballing the 462…. Just need to sell a little more firewood, I keep telling myself.
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the 400 is sweet. If your only running a 20” bar the 462 isn’t going to be a ton more noticeable. It is better with a 25-28” bar if you need something for bigger wood
@ciphercode2298 Жыл бұрын
I cut alot of windblown oak,tree service leftovers,and doh cleanup wood and big red oaks are fairly common to clean up. I always wanna keep a 70cc saw so I can cut em up. The biggest ones that's come my way are 30-32" so itd be time consuming with a 20" bar. I run a ms441c with a 28" bar for my big stuff. I agree that if most of what you're cutting is able to be done with a 20" bar stick with the lighter cheaper saw. My 441 is a tick less than 15lbs empty I think,but it's a great saw. Pulls a 28" full comp chain in oak pretty darn well and saves me from having to climb across or walk around to finish cuts on big trees.
@LiveFreeOrRIP7 ай бұрын
there is NO comparison from the 362 to a westcoast saw upgraded 462. I own both and its an unfair comparison. Get the WCS Bark box get the air filter and 3 point dogs and a full skip full chisel chain. I run a 25 inch light bar. I would also get a Full wrap its AWESOME.
@timberandtools7 ай бұрын
@LiveFreeOrRIP yes I agree but I’m comparing 400 not 462 haha. 362 vs. 400 still not that comparable for power
@erickozal9044 Жыл бұрын
I have a landscaping company and the go to saws for what I do are the 180c and 250. I got my 362 wrap (minus the m-tronic) well before I saw any 400s available. Having a 462 and 660 for the few jobs we get cutting big trunks and/or stumps I can't justify purchasing a 400, although I really want one now lol
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
Yeah the 400 is a sweet saw!!! But the 462 is it’s big brother! My personal favorite actually!
@eovdubsvw87432 жыл бұрын
I have been running the 400c for over a month now thinning. It has more power than the 362, a sweet saw. I’m running a 28” Oregon bar and full skip Oregon Chain.
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Yeah she’s a great saw!! I like it best with the 25” on it but it will get it done with the 28”. How is it oiling that size bar on a day to day basis
@matthew90DG23 күн бұрын
hello I want to buy a ms 362 c saw, do you think it's better to add to the ms400 model? I care most about a durable construction, a purchase for the next 15 years🙂 best regards
@timberandtools22 күн бұрын
@@matthew90DG unless you can get a very good deal on the 362 by the 400 it is a better saw all the way around and has much higher resale value
@minyves365610 күн бұрын
Merci pour votre avis.
@timberandtools9 күн бұрын
C'est avec plaisir, j'apprécie que tu regardes
@outdoorsinthe6082 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison! I just got a 400 and love it!!
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Yeah they’re a great saw!! What size bar are you running on it?
@outdoorsinthe6082 жыл бұрын
@@timberandtools 25” light
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
@@outdoorsinthe608 great choice, the 25 is perfect on it. I wish I could run light bars but my daily tree work is a bit rough haha. I’m sure the bars would get bent up quick🙃 there are a lot of guys who run lights tho everyday just say you need to be a little more delicate with em
@outdoorsinthe6082 жыл бұрын
@@timberandtools good to know👍
@wolverinebear5357 Жыл бұрын
Buckin Billy Ray says the 28" on ported 362 works fine the oiler is fine too, yet to find out myself still running the 20" on my 362
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
Yes a well done ported 362 will do a 28 but ported and stock are much different animals. Not sure if it’ll oil super well
@ciphercode22983 ай бұрын
I grew up with saws that oiled noticeably more than most modern stihls,and was skeptical when I first 2 of them a dozen years ago. My ms310 oils ok,but its somewhat stingy. My ms441cm ( by my standards) barely kept its 20" bar oiled. I added a 28" bar and turned the ouler up and it didnt look good,but I had work to do. In the 10 years since the only chains I ever replaced were because theyd been filed to the end of their life. The 20" bar on the ms310 and the 28" on the ms441 have held up well and after having been file dressed and through many many chains I can honestly report that the bars held up fine. I've never needed to replace a tip and I've never had any warpahe or bluing. Both of these bars are standard stihl es bars. I usually cut 5-6 cord a year.
@timberandtools3 ай бұрын
@ciphercode2298 it is true new saws don’t put out the oil like they once did! A lot of oil helps save bar life for sure.
@gunterbecker8528Ай бұрын
Well done young man
@timberandtoolsАй бұрын
@@gunterbecker8528 really appreciate the positive words! Thank you 👌🏻
@danielowens4789 Жыл бұрын
I think they both seem to run cleaner with the 20” bar. I’m sure the 400 pulls that 25” good but I hear it trying to stutter, clean sound with the 20”. My 261 does this same thing with an 18” while noodling, it pulls it but you can tell it just doesn’t seem right. JMO
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
It runs great with the 25” I’ll have to make a video haha. 28” is definitely a big bar for it stock without port work. Oiler would need mods to daily run a 28 anyway
@gwp1ohio7 ай бұрын
That stutter sound is in the chain filing and rakers....
@wolfythesunbro Жыл бұрын
I use 271 farmboss with 20 inch light 04 bar and super pro chain 1.3mm for fiewood business. Am I good with my current setup or am I missing out not buying a 261 cm or even e 500i, for small to medium firewood and ocasional bigger 1 meter logs??
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
Being honest, the 261 has a lot more power! If I was a firewood guy, I would be running a 400.
@andrewscott28662 жыл бұрын
Good video👍 Not really sure why anyone would buy a new 362 now, imho.
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree!! Maybe for 100 or more dollars less it would have a better chance of selling with the 400 around now.
@sethfrancis98212 жыл бұрын
@@timberandtools last I checked (3-4 months ago) the 362 was 100 bucks less than the 400. I'm in the market for a new saw and was going to purchase a 362 until someone said to checkout the 400 still can't decide what to buy and probably going to finish this season with my old 024 and wait until dealer days to buy a saw
@sethfrancis98212 жыл бұрын
@@timberandtools after your video I think I am going to save my 100 dollars and buy a 362. Major upgrade from what I've ran my whole life
@gwp1ohio2 жыл бұрын
@@sethfrancis9821 if you are running an 024 then you wouldn't need a 400 or 362, go with a nice 311. It will cut circles around and 024 and cost A LOT less than a 400 or 362.
@sethfrancis98212 жыл бұрын
@@gwp1ohio the 024 was undersized majorly for what I really needed at times
@JTFraser872 жыл бұрын
I have a 462 and looking for a 60cc class saw, cant decide on a 362cm or 400cm? Both being same ish in weight do I opt in the 400 and run 20’’ bar or would it be just like buying another 70cc saw? I currently run a 25’’ bar on my462 which I’m liking.
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Depends on what your doing, I personally would buy the 400 over the 362 the cost (used to be) 100$ difference. Saving about one hundred dollars is the only advantage of the 362 over the 400. You can’t feel the weight difference between them. Power is quite noticeably better with the 400
@6.4hemidriver44 Жыл бұрын
I've been looking at the MS362 and MS400. Leaning towards the MS400 w/22" B&C.
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
I’d say 400 is the way to go, really sweet and very powerful for what it is. I have another video with it running a 28” bar and it will do it just likes a 20/25” bar much more haha. Video is ms 400 comparing to the 462
@6.4hemidriver44 Жыл бұрын
@@timberandtools, yeah, I'm more than likely gonna get the MS400. I like the 20" B&C, my son likes the 25" B&C. I'm gonna try to split the difference and go with a 22" B&C.
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
@@6.4hemidriver44 are you in the US? I am but I never see 22” for Stihl here. You can just buy both only takes a minute to swap em. Plus then it will be common size chain to find 72 an 84 dl
@6.4hemidriver44 Жыл бұрын
@@timberandtools, I'll have to ask my dealer. If he can get me a 22" B&C, that's what I'll go with.
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
@@6.4hemidriver44 definitely can part number is 3003-000-9425 . Got me curious lol
@FYMM69 Жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice how both saws running longer bars chattered in tje cuts because he had his depth gauges pulled down too low, ego responsible for that, and then have much faster and smoother both cut with the 20’s and depth gauges where they should be. OP will eventually learn
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
Funny story about the hungry chain actually… yes I do know the difference and know how to file a chain proper my good sir. Thanks for watching the video!!
@SR20FTW Жыл бұрын
362 runs a 25 really well with a exhaust and tune. 400 should run it all day without issue.
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
@@SR20FTW it does! 400 is mean with the 25”
@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын
Show us your videos of your chains. Looks like another basement dwelling expert here😂
@FYMM69 Жыл бұрын
@@OUTDOORS55 whatever ya say wannabe. That’s not fair of me to talk like that but let me assure you I’ve been around this stuff and in the industry long enough I can hear a saw running in the distance and tell how that saws working.
@Wmbhill Жыл бұрын
Old video I know but, does the 400 put out sufficient oil? I have a 362 CM and even all the way up, it barely puts any out. I’ve tried different oils, and bars. The dealer said, that’s just the way they are. I might upgrade to a 400 CM.
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
Yes it oils sufficient for a 25 inch bar but I would say it’s lacking for a 28 to be really efficient. There is a cool Euler mind I have seen some people do to really be for up the 400s same thing probably could be done with the 362.
@ciphercode229825 күн бұрын
Most folks who wanna run a longer bar on the 400 swap the factory oil pump for that of a ms462. Itll oil up to a 32" easy and it's the same pump housing,just has different internal parts. Bolts right in for about $125 oem,or you can opt for a ms462 pump rebuild kit and swap out the internals on the pump in your 400. Itd cut the cost by about 1/2,if that's a direction youd wanna go.
@timberandtools24 күн бұрын
@ciphercode2298 I have a ms 361 HO pump to swap
@ciphercode229824 күн бұрын
@@timberandtools yup should be the same
@ciphercode229824 күн бұрын
I'll probably buy a whole new pump. Those pump parts are pretty small and my eyes and hands are6what they used to be. Hate to spend another $125,but itll be worth it
@francisom9032 жыл бұрын
400 is very good Saw. The best Saw in 60-70 CC.
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Without a doubt
@MrFanatical12 жыл бұрын
You need both…
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Can’t argue you on that one. I am happy to have em both 😂
@megamike43572 жыл бұрын
I have trying to decide on a 400 and a 462. I would run a 25 inch bar. Just always wondered if it would be a little light on power.
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
I have a video comparing the 400 and 462. The 400 isn’t light on power with a 25” bar that’s for sure!
@FishFind30002 жыл бұрын
If your gonna be in 25” wood all the time go with the 400. The 362 can do it but doesn’t like to. If your gonna use the 362 in 25” a lot you would want to go to a semi or full skip. I have a 362c with 25” and full comp. I don’t do big wood often so the bar length and chain combo are good for me. Big wood will hang up the saw so you just gotta feed it right and don’t push it.
@LiveFreeOrRIP7 ай бұрын
There is NO comparison. 462 mtronic full wrap.. Then go see gordy and buy the WCS upgrade kit. Bark box Air filter 3 point dogs. Gord sells AWESOME stuff and it REALLY wakes the saw up... That filter is awesome keeps all the shit out of your saw.
@t4t4s0l Жыл бұрын
Got 362 CM and i am very happy with it. If i wanted something stronger, i'd go for the 462 CM, not 400. And again, if i wanted to buy 4xx then i buy 462 over the 400.
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
Same would be true for me if I wasn’t able to make any other selections haha, you running a 20? Or 25?
@t4t4s0l Жыл бұрын
@@timberandtools running mostly 20, sometimes the 25. But with the 20, i feel the saw got a right balance in hands. Very steep hills area here, lots stones on the ground, boulders. Cutting mostly trees, that fell during storms, or simply trees on the ground already. Messy ground, mess of intertwined limbs. Shorter bar better for me, as with longer bar i keep hitting something that i dont want with the tip and getting kicks ... :-) I love wood(s), take care!
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
@@t4t4s0l yes great balance with the 20” stay safe my friend 🌲👊🏻
@LiveFreeOrRIP7 ай бұрын
Ive dont understand what the 400 is. I dont know who buys it. if you need a big saw we all DO Get a 462 or 500i.. If you need a saw for 18 to 22 inches get a 60cc saw 362 is a Beast for that stuff... You DONT need a 462 for 16 inch logs.. But when you need to cut up 22 24 inch hardwood. That 70cc stuff.. Wow... Just wow... You have NO idea until you get a sharp 462 buzzing.. its amazing.
@timberandtools7 ай бұрын
@LiveFreeOrRIP 400 is really a firewood cutters dream saw. 12.8 lbs 67.8 cc and will handle a 25” bar very well. Can pull a 28” if needed not gonna do it super well but it will. I agree and loveeeee the 462 🔥😎
@forrestebert52762 жыл бұрын
So I wonder how close it would be if the 362 was just like the 400 and a MC model? I’d bet it wouldn’t be much if any at all?
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Carbureted and Mtronic put out nearly the exact same performance it would still be the exact same results I guess I should make a video of an M Tronic 362 versus a carb just to show the difference
@forrestebert52762 жыл бұрын
@@timberandtools That would be a good comparison as would a ported 461 vs a ported 462 ? My 461 had been ported and twin air filter etc. except I didn’t opt for the ceramic bearings as I don’t cut for a living but with a 28” lightweight bar it plows through wood!
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
@@forrestebert5276 yes 461 is a great saw! The difference between them would be small if the same portwork was done I believe. I’d love to get my hands on a carbed 462!!
@randysmith8604 Жыл бұрын
@@timberandtools i have the m tronic it puts out out more power. Not much like 1/8. Need 362 with a muffler mod runs a lot better thats what i did big difference.
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
@@randysmith8604 I haven’t noticed a difference in power with m tronic perhaps it’s how I had mine tuned
@patrickpoulard24 Жыл бұрын
You need to go ahead and get a MS 500i because as we all know STIHL RUNS THE YARD 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿😊👍🏿#stihlpower
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
Oh heck yeah brother !! We got a 500 😎😎😎😎 I should probably make a video lol
@patrickpoulard24 Жыл бұрын
@@timberandtools Wonderful Power saw, go ahead and make that video of the 500i. We all would love to see it.😊👍🏿#stihlpower
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
@@patrickpoulard24 will do!!!
@denvercoleman8902 жыл бұрын
I just went and bought a 400 my buddy liked it better than his 362
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! They’re a wonderful saw! What size bar you running?
@bierstadt772 жыл бұрын
The real question is how you got a 400 at all. I've been on a waiting list for a year here in the Pacific Northwest for a 400 and a 462. Totally unavailable.
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Bought it a while back, I was at the dealer soon after they got it and saw it sitting there. Waited on the 500 for ever tho 😂
@darrenpendergast66582 жыл бұрын
I just posted a picture online. Johnson's do it center in maple valley Washington have a 462,500i and 661
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
@@darrenpendergast6658 they’ll go quick
@rswoodys12 жыл бұрын
You wouldn’t let up on throttle on 362 it would be closer
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
I’m not certain what you mean but believe me I run chainsaws everyday, there is a very big difference between the power of a 362 and a 400.
@PhilHewkin10 ай бұрын
I just got a 362 for $300 cdn. needs repair. I thought about getting a400, the plastic handle is a put off for me.
@timberandtools10 ай бұрын
Yes I agree! I believe the wrap or the artic handle is aluminum and can be put on the 400
@PhilHewkin10 ай бұрын
my 362 has an arctic handle .I ope all it needs is a carb kit. Im thinking of putting a 16 inch bar on it, not any big wood here. should cut very well.@@timberandtools
@timberandtools10 ай бұрын
@@PhilHewkin oh she will ripppppp. I usually run a 20” on my 362
@PhilHewkin10 ай бұрын
@@timberandtools I just got a Husky 550 xp m2. i only ran one tank of gas through it so far, but im impressed. If it works out, I may get a 400 stihl. My 290 is gettig a new gas tank, I did a tree removal and it fell about 35 feet. Tried to glue it twice. My 271 has a plugged gas tank vent filter. always something.
@timberandtools10 ай бұрын
@@PhilHewkin yeah always something! I’ll tell you what, not a huge husky guy but the 550 is awesome! Don’t own one but I would if I got a decent deal on one 👊🏻 I have lots of 261’s though haha
@LiveFreeOrRIP7 ай бұрын
60cc saws are Great for 18 20 inch hard wood. When you want to run a 25 or 28 or 32 you need to get into the 70cc saws in my opinion... The 462 cant be compared to a 800 60cc saw.. Especially when you put the WCSs upgrades on it. I own both and its kinda unfair to compare them. Like I said you dont use a sledge hammer to drive in average sized nails. You dont Cut wood thats 28 30 inch with a 60cc saw.. You can but its going to put the saw to the max and it will also over work the saw... I own a few saws and to me if you do tree work you need 4 or 5 saws. 2 smalls 2 med 1 big. My smalls are 180 with the big tooth and a few other small saws battery makita and couple of older saws. My MID saws are 261 and 362 and my old trusty 036. My Big saws are 462 and 661. I like cutting trees and doing firewood. I help a buddy sometimes do tree work if he needs. so im ready to tackle pretty much what ever comes. SMALL MID BIG is a good way to go. small 30cc mid 50cc 60cc and you need a 70cc saw.. there is nothing like the 70cc saws. 500i or 462. Those 2 are the wild card of saws. High RPM and High HP. The 661 will pull a bigger bar but its slow rpm wise. so unless you want to run a 36 or something 462 500i.
@timberandtools7 ай бұрын
Yeah I agree 20” is good for 60cc I typically run 25” full skip so I don’t have to bend over as much to cut haha. I have a 462/500/660 and bigger saws. I have em all and yes they all have their spots. I NEVER compared the 462 to a 60cc saw though haha
@stevengonyaw16172 жыл бұрын
I have both in M tronic
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Great saws!! I don’t mind the m tronic. I’d prefer a carb but have no problem with the m tronic saws
@sev-12872 жыл бұрын
Saws are a little dull I believe
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Chain was on the saw that came right out of the side of my tree truck haha, it wasn’t filed recently but cut fine enough to make a video…
@sev-12872 жыл бұрын
As long as it works
@joshuawray5917 Жыл бұрын
m tronic is still carbureted
@timberandtools Жыл бұрын
Technically yes but you know what I mean 😂
@gwp1ohio11 ай бұрын
I believe my ms310 with 24" bar stock will eat both of these up...
@timberandtools11 ай бұрын
I will bet you any amount of money you wanted that it would not especially with the 400! Even if it the 310 was insanely ported I do not feel that it would stand a chance.
@chrisp5567 ай бұрын
Keep dreaming.
@gwp1ohio7 ай бұрын
@@timberandtools just from watching this video inparticular to his saws and chains... my 310 absolutely would. A lot more has to do with filing and operating than power.
@timberandtools7 ай бұрын
@@gwp1ohio your correct about the filing. Videos don’t accurately show details.
@ciphercode22983 ай бұрын
I appreciate your enthusiasm, and I'm not knockin the ms310. I have one with a ported muffler and it's a solid firewood saw runnin a 20" bar. I've also have an ms441c the last 10 years and with the same 20" bar and chain the 441 smokes the 310. The ms441c is a not so great first attempt that stihl made their mtronic beginning with and its probably gonna cut close to what that ms400c does,but it also weighs like 4lbs more and is ridiculous to work on. The 400c will handily beat an ms310,all other things being equal.
@JohnVHLife2 жыл бұрын
Watching the video, barely a difference
@timberandtools2 жыл бұрын
Really surprised you see that in the video, if you were running them definitely big difference