Stoning and Hand Cutting-Understanding the Hudud In Islam | Behind the Scenes

[@malcolmx2305]

Professor Brown is a legend, Barak'Allah feekum.

[@muadsaleh1061]

If you’re an non-believer saying some parts of Islamic law are harsh, what do you *objectively* base that on? Impossible. No one answered that question yet.

[@Abu_Abdullah790]

exactly. What basis do you have for a moral code if you ignore the Prophets? There is no legitimate source of morality for them

[@asemk887]

Whats your question? I'll answer it.

[@MohammedAlSharif2002]

Asem K What’s your answer? I’ll question it.

[@jameslog3431]

well as far as the US we believe in 2nd chances, and not cutting hands off for people who steal, killing drug addicts, throwing gays off buildings, and stoning women, women needing 4 men to witness rape (so easy for women to get raped/ gang raped). Islam is just a philosophy just a way of thinking to non-muslims and it goes against our belief just having a society acting soley on fear, but instead bec they learned to be better humans.

[@adamjacksonmedia]

Morality is subjective. He's basing it on his subjective moral compass.

[@stenfeio]

This is great content guys, video quality though! The audio is horrible.

[@salut4396]

True

[@shafmv]

Thanks for the behind the scene. In Sha Allah I will read your work.

[@ummekalsoom1238]

Thank you sir

[@fizaaal]

What is the title of this video to do with the content of this video?

[@sabrinashahab795]

In many countries , people dont mind deadth sentences , but they are terrified of amputation , flogging , etc . No I am not favouring Hudud Laws , we dont live at the time of Prophet Muhammad and I am not sure how the punishment were given during his time . Hadeeths are not reliable and often contradict . For example , there is no stoning in the Quran , punsihment for adultary is quite clear in the Quran

[@asiyahsahm2282]

you can't be serious? ' people don't mind death sentences... but are terrified of flogging '. this is an extremely idiotic statement.

[@muadsaleh1061]

Then you are a non Muslim lol. You can’t believe in parts of the Quran and reject the other parts.

[@pmpm1841]

Lil Mufasa don’t declare takfir on people you stupid dog. Stoning isn’t Islamic, and you’re a deviated sect that follows man made laws that are a repackaged form of Judaism. The only punishments are in the Quran. That is the sharia.

[@outsidebox7678]

@Quran Meaning Translated - English Only Don't insult other people Allah tells us in quran how to act and you aren't acting appropriately. Respect that Muslims don't believe the hadith about stoning because scholars with more knowledge than you rejected those hadith such as abu hanifa. Please be respectful and represent Islam in a beautiful manner.

[@outsidebox7678]

@Quran Meaning Translated - English Only anyone can edit Wikipedia. If you use that as a trusted source of knowledge then you're an amateur. You should study and not jump to decisions via heresay

[@muadsaleh1061]

It really doesn’t matter what non-Muslims think of our laws. They’re irrelevant. لكم دينكم ولي دين

[@Hookythehammer]

Yes your laws are irrelevant

[@peterjenner5431]

Some laws in Western countries are Whimsical and arbitrary.

[@peterjenner5431]

What about the law against smoking marijuana. It was a horrible crime for 50 years and now all of a sudden it is a essential service

[@shafiqurrahman1731]

It seems that for every argument of Barbarity or inhumanity in Islamic tradition, Mr Brown's standard argument is that in modern society there is something worse. Slavery is bad, so is wage labor in sweatshop factories. Now he is saying Hudud may be barbaric, so is solitary contentment. Its really fascinating to see how religion totally blinds a person's mental faculties. Well, solitary confinement is bad but there are millons of people agitating for more humane punishments and punishments are changing. What chance are there for the perfect and complete Islamic laws to change?

[@misssoso5859]

The reason why he tends to point out how things in modern society can be far worse is simply because people like you are often willfully blind to it and yet still claime that modern westren sensibilites of what's "barbaric" or "ihumane" should be a universal standers for morality (while still advocating subjective morality at the same time) Mr. Brown was not trying to "water down" anything to please you (because we know for a fact that people like you won't be plaese until we and everyone else fully conform), he's only showing the utter arrogance and hypocricy of the so-called westren ideals You guys are still high on your silly "progress" myth, while your past and modern history in non-westren nations have always been catastrophically destructive and exploitative www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/14/-sp-western-model-broken-pankaj-mishra www.theguardian.com/film/2013/nov/24/jeremy-scahill-exposing-us-dirty-war-afghanistan-pakistan-somalia-yemen And you still wonder why the rest of the world are not voluntarily bowing down to you

[@sabrinashahab795]

Punishments are not supposed to be humane . Punishment also fits the circumstances . Hudud laws are the maximum punishment and are not supposed to be given most of the time . And historically they were not and still are not . As for having a perfect shariah , that is impossible , because humans are not perfect and it is us who interpret the Shariah

[@sheikhalimonowicz8634]

Shafiqur RAHMAN You are right , however Sunnism is NOT a religion it's a Mafia cult of global institutional organized crime , works under the guise of religion ( the same with the Iranian Shia twelver Cult and it's affiliates ) , such barbaric laws doesn't exist in the first place in Mystical Islamic schools . Mystical Islamic schools are the authentic followers and hires of the Prophetic and Quranic and Ahlul Bayt teachings like : Sufi islam - Alevi Islam - Bektashi Islam - Ismaili Islam and many others while Sunnism and Iranian Shia twelverism are no more than heretical death cults , innovation , Bid'ah and criminal organizations in the guise of religion .

[@hajarmatveeva]

Yes Religion not just Islam but every religion shuts down a practicer's ability to think properly. His "scholarship" and University Degrees are that of a SHEEP. No thinking human needs to respect this sheepy opinions. A SHEEP is perfect for kabab&pulau. Lol

[@aakalim]

sara ali So you believe that solitary confinement is more barbaric than cutting off hands and stoning people to death? If modern concepts of humanity and barbarity cannot be universal standers of morality, then how can a concept of humanity envisaged in the 7th century be universal?

[@Lasharella]

Lost soul… Lucifers slave

[@Lasharella]

Islamic qoochi so good Christian turn into devil worshipper…

[@beijingbro2]

i greatly admire dr brown and his scholarship. i read his books and learn a huge amount from them. but watching him squirm in his videos trying to justify islam and corporal punishment or human slavery is really disheartening. as a scholar he is first rate. as a thinker and analyst his observations and opinions really test the outer limits of rational thought. corporal punishment is wrong. you don't get to water it down by saying modern prisons use solitary confinement and that is equally inhuman. there is no comparison. you don't get to water down the concept of slavery by saying it has different meanings in different eras. the fact is the islamic extremists proposing slavery and having slaves now use the definition from this day and age. it constitutes rape, murder, buying and selling. it is ownership that is cruel and inhuman. you don't get to water this down by saying some grand vizier from the ottoman empire who was massively rich was technically a slave of the turkish caliphates. this is twisted and bizarre thinking. these are modern day concepts and there is no gray area.

[@misssoso5859]

He's not trying to "justify" anything, he's simply trying his best to explain his position to an audience who cannot really accept anything as justifiable outside of their own position. That's why he seemed uneasy and on edge, because those people cannot tolerate any alternative positions, and are actively trying to coerce others into conformity. Look at the sheer absolute confidence you displayed when you said: "corporal punishment is wrong" and how you claimed any alternative position as automatically wrong. Why are we obligated to conform to man-made concepts? What absolute authority do you have? I'm sorry, but you can't say "modernity gives me the right to claim what's right and wrong", because that would be pointless circular reasoning. You can reasonably discuses issues with us, and we can mutually come to an agreement, but please understand that your worldview is run by a different axiom than ours, so sometimes we can't help but to disagree, and you have no right to force your axiom or your worldview or your man-made concepts on those who found it deeply flawed and have no wish to accept it.

[@misssoso5859]

Nah, Jim. It doesn't work like that, sorry. You don't get to declare "corporal punishment is wrong and any alternative position is automatically wrong" when you don't have any objective authority on the matter. People can and will justifiably reject this absolute claim of yours for various reasons (some religious and some not). So be prepared to justify it for them objectively, and don't just assume that it's a given and anyone who disagree is a barbaric, inhumane simpleton who needs to be forced to conform. I'm not moved at all by using pretty words alone as an argument, so your personal definitions of what "common human decency" and "individual humanity" means - whatever the hell that is - is just that, your personal definitions. It can only be an authority on you and those who share it with you. Hence, it's subjective. Making objectives claims based on subjective authority is absurd. Plain and simple. I could reply to every single objective claim you made by just asking: "says who?" and you wouldn't have an objective answer. No justifiable supreme being delivered concepts? says who?. No proof of an undeniably true god in Islam? says who?. Nothing I possess in my mind qualifies as absolute, undeniable knowledge of a creator? says who?. And on and on and on... until you start making objective claims by using some objective authority. Now if you have said you didn't believe objectivity exists and your subjective view is the best thing out there currently, then that would be a different matter, and I would have had a different conversation with you. But obviously you didn't, so there's that.

[@beijingbro2]

sara,, you made no counter points whatsoever... "says who?" is not a point... www.yahoo.com/news/yazidi-girl-held-captive-isis-reveals-raped-every-day-six-months-113623002.html so this yazidi girl was made into a slave girl and raped every day for 6 months. and you think saying this is wrong based on the principles of humanity and decency is subjective? this is barbaric and inhumane. i don't need an objective authority to tell me it is evil shit. my sense of humanity is obviously a better moral compass than your objective authority. so go ahead,, explain this away with a "says who?"

[@beijingbro2]

i repeat my statement from before... "if your basic belief system does not allow you this type of human decency then you are lacking in humanity plain and simple. if you find a humanity based world vision deeply flawed then you are crossing the threshold to extremism and 'evility'." you would make osama bin laden and adolf hitler proud!

[@misssoso5859]

Heh, why do you think I used the phrase "says who?" as a counter point? I've graduated from school years ago, so trust me; I'm way past using this phrase seriously. But it's actually a reasonable question to ask when someone is making objective claims, because no rational and knowledgeable person will start speaking in objective terms unless they are convinced they have some objective authority on the matter, regardless of how others might think about it. As a Muslim; the only objective authority I'm willing to obey is God's alone, because I value my freedom greatly, and since I believe God is the one who created freedom and blessed us with it, so naturally I believe only He has the right to direct and restrict it, and no man made laws on Earth has any objective authority to take away this freedom from me I'm glad you mentioned ISIS; because they are one of the many reasons why I firmly stand by corporal punishment. Even though they - islamically speaking - deserve far worse than mere corporal punishment. Those pigs should be put to death, every single one of them