Stop messing dogs up with Prong Collars and E Collars

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[@Musiclover-uo2oi]

I trained both my standard poodles, starting at their age of 6 months, with a prong collar (here in Canada). I used them for only approximately 1 year for each, until they were trained. Both were extremely well behaved, happy, sociable, and well adjusted for all of their 14.5 years of life (they were subsequent to each other, not at the same time). They loved when I put the collar on because it meant training and fun. Both were trained to stop on the spot, when given the command, off leash walking, and hand signals. One day I opened my front door, and across the street my boy Caesar saw his best dog friend and bolted down the stairs. I yelled stop and he froze halfway down the stairs. At the same time a car was passing by. I don’t think giving him a cookie at the time would have saved his life, because his desire to play with his doggy friend was stronger than any treat I could have offered him. If used properly and ethically, all training tools should be used appropriately for the dog’s personality as well as the circumstances. It is my responsibility as their Mom to keep them safe and well balanced.

[@dognerd7385]

I was training a dog with leash reactivity who had been to another "professional" trainer. The other trainer told the owner every time the dog was given a command, blast the dog at level 20 (mini educator) at the same time. Whether the dog was complying or not, level 20 every time. If the dog reacted to another dog, blast it at level 60. The dog quickly learned to avoid the sight of the collar, creating issues when getting ready for walks (understandably). When the collar was on the dog, he learned to rub the receiver on the ground until it no longer made contact. When I began reconditioning the e collar, I found that his working level is 3. That's right, 3. It took a while, but he eventually came to trust the collar and his owner again. Once he was ready, I introduced corrections the right way, and now he is no longer reactive and can enjoy off leash freedom. His emergency boost level is 15. That's under the "working level" the other trainer set for him. The moral, just because someone says their a "trainer" doesn't mean they know what their doing.

[@DF-te2vm]

If the dog is that smart, shouldn't you be able to figure out how to communicate with him without ecollar ? Who is actually dumber ? I think dogs are not that stupid as many people think

[@dognerd7385]

@@DF-te2vm I could do it with just a leash, but then he wouldn't get to experience off leash freedom. At this point in his training, the e collar is used for safety and to get his attention.

[@DF-te2vm]

@@dognerd7385 ....very cool and good with you. I have just seen with my own eyes, too many people hurt their dogs that obviously didn't need to be shocked or poked around the neck. I never say anything to them because I don't want them to get mad and take it out on the doggie. Also never complain about picking up their poop because again, don't want them taking it out on the dog

[@malinataylor9184]

@@DF-te2vm It is not a matter of need, why limit the amount of tools you use that allow you to effectively, more easily, and more clearly communicate to your dog simply because of human bias? Also using an e collar, or any tool, properly and responsibly is not saying that the dog is too dumb to work without the tool, it is simply to say that the owner/handler is intelligent enough to utilize effective and humane tools that will help their dog exceed, and allow them more freedoms to live a better, more fulfilled life.

[@DougHinVA]

@@malinataylor9184 DF is making 'feelings statements' so just accept that is how a lot of ignorant people are. Very few ever take a dog through CGC certification or go to a real dog pro.

[@nakfoor1846]

"If you're going to use a prong collar and ecollar, make damn sure you know what you're doing."

[@river_cat4403]

See the thing is lots of people don't understand how bad those are around a dogs neck. I never use them I use a harness if he wants to pull not no prong collar I fucking hate those prong collars they should have never made those how would someone feel if they had one around there neck when there pulling ya know what I mean

[@HeyWatchMeGo]

@@river_cat4403 I think you may have summed up why a prong collar could possibly be a useful device, for (as an example) a small person with a large, reactive dog when you said: ... "how would someone feel if they had one around there neck when there pulling ya know what I mean" Consider that for a moment.

[@river_cat4403]

@@HeyWatchMeGo Don't be a smart ass you know damn will they are bad so don't play that game.

[@river_cat4403]

@@HeyWatchMeGo If you think they are great around a dogs neck go ahead use it dog abuser

[@river_cat4403]

@@HeyWatchMeGo Anyways dog abuser I got to go 👋🙃

[@meganbrennan4021]

Remote collars and Prong collars are amazing tools. When used correctly, awesome. When used incorrectly, horrible. :/

[@panzertooE-CollartrainingPAGER]

Define correctly or incorrectly

[@meganbrennan4021]

@@panzertooE-CollartrainingPAGER correctly means like proper brands, and proper modes/levels, proper placement on the dogs neck. Incorrectly means, over using, not good brands, a mode that too high for your dog, incorrect placement, and not understanding how to use the tool.

[@DougHinVA]

@@panzertooE-CollartrainingPAGER We are not required to answer your questions you already made up your mind about. Asking questions of an amateur is not too smart and you are not too smart.

[@Peter-ce1lp]

As a k9 trainer in Chicago, this is excellent information. So much truth behind reading your dog CORRECTLY. Great content and thank you for sharing!

[@kytestar]

remove the word trainer and replace with hater!

[@zaccy]

E collars and Prong collars are just tools. Use the tool correctly and you fix your problem. Use it wrong and you'll make it worse.

[@LoanLeaf]

exactly, my dog loves her e collar

[@Dearmylove_i]

They are tools to cause pain and discomfort on your dog. Don’t want to cause pain and discomfort? Don’t get e or prong collars. You can train your dog without pain and intimidation. You’ll have a better relationship for it.

[@psalm1047]

@@Dearmylove_i how do you think anti pull harnesses (easy walk) and haltis/gentle leaders work? Yet I dont think you're preaching against these types of tools, but it's the exact same mechanism: discomfort & pressure, or in other words negative reinforcement. Also, prong collars do not cause pain. The prongs are blunt.

[@Dearmylove_i]

@@psalm1047 Anti-pull harnesses work by preventing the dog from pulling so that the tendency to pull is not reinforced by the dog succeeding in getting where it wants to go. This is then coupled with training the dog to pay attention to and walk close to the handler. The point of the harness is not to cue the dog when it does something wrong through discomfort or pain like it is with these collars.

[@psalm1047]

@@Dearmylove_i "anti pull harnesses work by preventing the dog from pulling"... again, how do you think it prevents the dog from pulling in the first place???? pressure and discomfort. They're not magical harnesses, they have to actually apply pressure to the dog's shoulders and chest

[@katietrimberger490]

Both E-Collars and prongs are amazing tools. Whether or not you use them properly is the problem. Nothing is wrong with the two as long as you use it correctly.

[@thedoggydad]

Love this video! The thing most people don’t understand is the dog needs to know the commands before using an e collar or prong collar. The dog has to understand why and what he is getting corrected for.

[@kytestar]

Your name is wrong. It should be Devious Doggy Dad. Evil bastard!

[@MarkFerrasci]

In the end the tool is only as good as the person using it. Well said!

[@MandrewSD]

The title made me think this was another “anti” video...after watching I agree with you. I have an exceptionally trained chocolate lab and these tools were needed due to his extremely high drive. Due his training and behavior people ask me all the time where I got the “tools” to train him... I always respond “unless you’re willing to spend significant time learning how to use them, please go to a professional or you can make it worse”

[@andrewh7599]

Saw a lab puppy in a prong today. He's right. People think the collar will automatically fix the dog when it's really all about the handler and proper training.

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

Prongs on pups are perverse and people that use this bullshit obviously disordered. They have a huge lack of knowledge.

[@binary]

@@saarlooswolfhund6237 nope. prongs been used for decades, great tool if used properly.

[@nickarnold1622]

This channel always puts out such insightful information with dog breeding and training

[@kepjangg]

I agree 100% people need to do their research!!!

[@a.e.s.n.]

Great video! As with all training tools, they can be used incorrectly. I see so many clueless people with cheap prong collars that do not fit the dog properly constantly. I have also seen and told people it is not a collar that is to be left on 24/7🙄If you don't know that you have no business using one!!

[@rescuedogsawaitinganewlife1171]

I use a collar only to prevent darting. It works to get thier attention. It is not a training device. The prong collar I use only for training in the beginning. I do not walk with a prong collar it can make a hot dog more hot. I use leashes. I've had success with my dogs coming in. I am not a dog trainer. I only rescue and foster dogs til they can get into a rescue and be adopted out. These dogs need love and guidance not heavy handed tactics. So I agree with what you are saying. They serve a purpose only if you know how to use it for the right purpose. This dog was having a lot of fun in the snow. He didn't even realize he was learning. That's what you need a relaxed dog. Great job. Bless you for helping these dogs.

[@jenniferw5095]

Any tool misused, abused, and/or overused is only going to make a problem worse. Most folks don't raise their dogs right. Rich folks have the money to buy great dogs and send them to trainers. Most people don't.

[@bayou2577]

Right, don't get a dog if you can't raise him by yourself or your family. If you don't have the time and dedication to train it, you're just not fitted to be a owner, plain and simple.

[@EarthlingCanine]

@@bayou2577 there are situations where a dog cannot be trained by the owner because the owner is disabled. Service dogs are often trained by a company or handlers will send their dog to a trainer to be trained because they CAN'T do it themselves.

[@EarthlingCanine]

@Lowkey_lina .2019 read above

[@bayou2577]

@@EarthlingCanine Agreed, they have a different purpose, so different training. If you're such a smartass then you already understood what I meant to say about the typical dog owner and that my comment doesn't apply to working or service dogs.

[@EarthlingCanine]

@Lowkey_lina .2019 so you believe DISABLED individuals should be denied medical equipment just because they may not be able to physically set it up on their own? How ablelist of you. I hope you also don't rely on government issued money and that any food you eat you either grow or raise entirely yourself and you make your own clothes out of materials you harvest yourself because clearly you believe that if you can't do it yourself then you shouldn't have it right?

[@dreamersridge729]

Great video. I have learned a bunch from you. Great explanation of use of pressure.

[@truecynic1270]

Just saw this today 4/30/2024. This IS an excellent explanation and description regarding these two tools. SO, yes, I can see why you have become a respected trainer. And, YES, I now understand why my attitude towards people who use these tolls is SO vehement and angry - it's because , just about everyone I've seen using these tools on their dogs have clearly NOT been using them correctly. I witnessed a fellow a few years ago showing off the ecollar on his dog by shocking the dog repeatedly even thought the dog wasn't moving. I've also witnessed a woman, last year, who used BOTH prong and ecollar on her GSD and I recall when her 3 yr. old GSD ran out of sight to see another dog, to socialize, and she called him, the next thing I heard was the loudest yelp/scream I've ever heard from a dog. Yes, he ran back but I was done with this woman. When I had my previous GSD, a guy walked into a pet food store with his GSD, who was wearing a prong collar ( mine was on a flat collar) and for some reason, I got the feeling that the other GSD was not "happy?" "calm?" At any rate, he went after my GSD who didn't fight but sure got out of the way and I remember saying to that guy " You're dog's aggressive because of the prong collar." So I probably owe you an apology for being critical about your training methods - sorry! - but until I watched this video, I honestly thought you were like all the idiots out there who MIS-use and abuse their dogs with these tools. Perhaps, these tools should only be sold by trainers like yourself, AFTER they take training with you. Pet stores are all about money so they sell these things to anyone which is what causes too many reactive, angry and frightened dogs

[@edgar7vn]

If y’all need help for e collar training look at Larry krohn videos he’s a master with it and makes it simple 👌👍

[@kytestar]

Or you could learn how to train your dog properly, or better still... don't own a dog cause your all too stupid and selfish to train them correctly!

[@acd617]

Great channel and content, ty for sharing your knowledge.

[@Paulie.k]

How can I correct a dog without an electronic collar or prong collar ? Cesar Milan just pokes the dog and makes a noise ?

[@sislertx]

On horses...remember they feel a fly landing..u dont need much..

[@kennykobi]

Speak facts man. You can see this dog is being rehabilitated. Great job

[@boshelby9588]

Awesome no bs lecture. This is really important info.

[@jenlvjim]

Love your take on dog training

[@shootmovecommunicate3322]

More great info. Thanks for the content.

[@ankeeffey9091]

Great advice 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 Both can be good tools but there is no way around the time you will have to work/consistent training in to get good results and the trust/bond to your dog!

[@kinguin7]

I've been hesitant to use these tools because I don't really know how to use them properly. I hate seeing people think they work like magic, and use them terribly incorrectly.

[@Karina-Loves-Andreas]

Shield K9 actually has THE BEST video on properly using a prong collar I've seen. I have a very sweet but headstrong German Shepherd with high drives, prong collar doesn't harm when used properly. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYSppquGj9WbZ80

[@Briteandme]

It kills me to see how many people gravitate to these “tools” without getting an education on proper use. There are still so many people out there that advocate “lighting up” the dog.

[@brandyh3536]

I got my GSD when he was 8 months old. Being housebroken was about the only training he had. Ive had many people suggest i just put a prong or e collar on him. But i won't use a tool without knowing how to use it properly. And honestly after watching alot of Shield K9 videos i am applying the training techniques im learning and he is coming along well. We still have our moments, but a good firm scruffing is usually enough to get his attention. I am fortunate that he is very eager to please.

[@kinguin7]

@@brandyh3536 luckily my Shepherd is similar. Not that she always listens, but she does want to please and won't directly challenge me. Not at all discounting this channel, but you should check out Robert Cabral if you haven't. I was struggling with recall, a couple of his videos addressed what I was doing wrong and I quickly saw an improvement after implementing some of his advice.

[@brandyh3536]

@@kinguin7 i will check it out. Thanks!

[@MaxandKalisAdventures]

Pain not the game positive redirection .I rescued abused 3yr old female gsd .She came wild and with long term illness. 7 months later she doing great ,,only her socialising skills still needs work .Keeping positive she learning . As rescued takes abit longer .

[@m.israel2209]

I know you posted a video of e collar and the steps on what buttons did what, but can you post examples on when to use it, to allow me to use it correctly

[@DinFL]

Bruno is beautiful.

[@rivert3dove254]

Thank you for telling the truth!

[@wetsand7379]

Would you consider writing a book on how to properly use an e-collar for owners with pet dogs that just want good obedience and not for serious behavior issues?

[@Canine_Connections]

Good advice. A lot of e-collar Blasters out there Great tools but they can turn into terrible tools in the wrong hands.

[@kytestar]

I feel sorry for your poor dogs. Dog cruelty is the worst and if there is an afterlife, your going to the hot place!

[@rileyc5304]

Steve Nock they didn’t even say if they used one on their dog?! 😆

[@rileyc5304]

This 🙌 a lot of people who are against the tools also only look at the tools that are placed in the wrong hands. Ecollars are like cellphones. They allow you to communicate with your dog from a distance! They are NOT needed but they are great for providing more safety for an offleash dog!

[@ROBDee-ho9lu]

@@rileyc5304OMMUNICATE is the right word and purpose. But how many people use it to punish their dog with it? Thousands!

[@rileyc5304]

Rebatea Mertu ecollars are great communication tools! It’s is quite sad that people use them to hurt dogs. But I don’t think it’s fair for those bad experiences to be put on all ecollar users. Most people who use ecollars now a days use them for offleash safety.

[@Gilgamesh_lz]

Facts bud! Tell em 👏

[@KEN-ETICK9_GSD]

Yes, this is excellent information. So much truth here, on pressure and release. Yes, make damn sure you know what you're doing.

[@henrydaniel7004]

Great video!

[@tareqelk]

I have a malinois i never used e colors before but the electric fence around the property. He is obedient at home and around the property but when we go on a hike or bike riding he stays with me but would not want to leave the park. He would not listen to my commands and is very stubborn. Do you think the E collar would reinforce the commands? Btw he would stay around me at all time but won’t let me get close to grab him until he is ready to get in the truck.

[@sislertx]

Amen to that...

[@stuarteckersley8943]

Well said! I understand why professional trainers use e-collars and prong-collars when training police/military dogs that have a specific job to do. As you say, there seems to be a trend amongst KZbin hero 'trainers' to fill every dogs neck with a variety of collars and call them trained when they are actually confused and unable to disengage from the environment.

[@manliketv3878]

This was really well articulated

[@Josh.1234]

Love how dog trainers tend to be so judgemental of other trainers lol. KZbin hero trainers? Haha umm it's so mainstream in the protection dog / IPO world it's odd you guys are saying this

[@edgar7vn]

Great tips

[@jennysantiago2624]

Many new trainers are too lazy to teach dogs obedience training with food, play, or toys. They only use e-colars. My Dutch Shepherd uses an E-collar when I'm outside for safety reasons. I only use it for recall. There's no data out there indicating no side effects from using the E-collars. The spike from the ecollar can cause damage in the dogs neck from too tight.

[@2clapsandarickflair804]

Any dog that turns and attacks you, you make sure you show him who is top dog.

[@thethethethethethe2547]

I personally only use both of the tools when it comes to behavioral impulses but in training no tools at all

[@chachaelbrecht5860]

Never needed these props training my personal Dogs.

[@familyguyrulz121]

congrats your dog was always mild tempered and didn’t need to be shown the ropes. That’s like bragging about never needing a tutor through school. Some need it

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

@@familyguyrulz121 no one need it. I have lived and trained GSDs since 30 years and since 15 years Wolfdogs, and never I have used bullshit lile E, Prong, Choke or Slip Collars. Unable people that have no competences to show their dogs orientation in a friendly way:they need it to compensate their incompetence.

[@familyguyrulz121]

​@@saarlooswolfhund6237 Congrats you think people and animals should only be communicate with with dandelions and kisses

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

@@familyguyrulz121 congrats to the dumbest comments in the last month 😉

[@familyguyrulz121]

@@saarlooswolfhund6237 Lesson of 2021: You’re the worlds best dog trainer and all your opinions, advice, and recommendation should be set in stone 😚

[@jackofallsales4535]

Big up shield k9

[@JB_Hobbies]

My puppy's training is coming along pretty well without an e-collar (although I do have a pinch collar--which honestly doesn't seem to do much that her regular collar doesn't already do). Anyway, I was thinking of getting an e-collar for the digging in the yard. Is that a stupid thing to do? I already covered up the area under the deck where she used to go digging, but now she found another fun spot--and just as my terrible luck would have it, that spot is a grassy spot. So, she's just tearing up the grass in the yard. I would like to be able to let her roam the yard more without constant supervision, so I figure an e-collar might help me form a strong unpleasant association with digging in the yard every time I catch her mid dig. As of now, she stops when I tell her to, but it's the starting that's the real issue, not the stopping. She doesn't seem to know (or care) that I don't want her to dig in the yard. I also, don't really have a sand pit or other good area that works well for a designated digging area. Long story short--would it be a terrible idea for me to get that e-collar under these circumstances? My puppy is 4 and a half months old.

[@jacobhartwell8211]

If you don’t think the pinch collar does anything your flat collar doesn’t already due, please do some reading on the use of a pinch collar.

[@JB_Hobbies]

@@jacobhartwell8211 not a helpful comment. I understand some of the benefits of a pinch collar, and I’ll admit I’m no expert. But, for my situation, it doesn’t seem to do much more than my dog’s regular collar because she is very responsive to collar pressure and really doesn’t fight it. As soon as she feels pressure, she usually stops pulling. The only exception to this is if there is something that gets her attention that she gets alert and excited by (and usually barks). Typically, in that scenario, a combination of “look at me” and “leave it” gets her to stop. Now, maybe I can’t tell how well the pinch collar is working because I almost always walk her with it on, but either way, I use a combination of a “pace” and “slow down” command to get her to walk with little or no tension on the leash. My dog is by no means perfect, but under most normal circumstances she behaves the same way whether on a regular collar, pinch collar, or harness. The only time where she really struggles is when we take both dogs out and she gets separated from the other dog. She pulls pretty hard there, but the pinch collar doesn’t do much to dissuade her from pulling in that scenario. I have to use commands and sometimes I need to redirect her pulling. Maybe the pinch collar helps, maybe it doesn’t. Not sure. She really doesn’t ever fight the collar. So, that’s what I mean. She seems to respond to pressure whether it is from a pinch collar or not.

[@spots8060]

@@JB_Hobbies i got my dog to stop digging by simply bringing him inside everytime I caught him digging. He associated digging with being brought inside abruptly so he stopped after a few weeks of doing that everytime.

[@thejindoman7471]

My 2 cents: yes, but hire a solid trainer to show you how to work with it. The general guidelines are that the dog needs to wear the e collar for a while before the e collar using it (dummy/decoy e collars are available)and that when the e collar is being used it needs to happen at the onset of the digging with you out of the dog's sight. It is always a good idea to supervise the dog when the dog is in the yard. Best of luck to you.

[@JB_Hobbies]

@@spots8060 Very good idea! I might try just leaving her out in the yard for longer so that I can try that out.

[@Country_Tyler]

Prong collars and e-collars= escape training. Dog pulls on the leash while wearing a prong, dog feels the pressure from the collar, dog slows down, pressure is gone. Dogs aren’t dumb. Don’t treat them like idiots

[@wolfypaws4650]

I use a prong collar with my xl bully. He LOVES the collar and walks perfectly on it. But, I was taught how to use it by a professional and many people , like you said just put it on the dog and pull pull pull and tug on the dog and it’s horrible . You have to k ow how to use things like that. Thanks for the video, yiur an awesome guy and make awesome vids!

[@kytestar]

A professional! A professional what? Torturer?

[@Justkito_]

I love the name Bruno for a dog

[@POLEinTheUK]

We're getting our GSD puppy in a few days and that's the name we've chosen as well.

[@SuperBonnie01]

I just lost my Bruno in August 20 due to cancer 😢

[@karlmartell8612]

So true. I personally think that prong collars and e-collars can be useful tools if (and that's a big if) you know how to use them. Where I live, e-collars are banned and using prong collars is frowned upon so there are almost no trainer who use them and I wouldn't work with these devices without professional help as I'm a beginner in dog training. So I will never use them, although they can be helpful.

[@guycalabrese4040]

There's a reason why these kind of collars are banned in most civilized countries. All situated in western Europe... As a former military K9 handler I think I know what I'm talking about. I never used any of these instrument of torture. Since then these collars are outlawed in my country so my way of training the dog was the right one.

[@shieldk9]

Uh huh..the usual Europe is better story. Who do you think taught us how to properly use the collars? Who do you think invented them? Now the world level euro trainers must hide their work like criminals, and only can show what they do when they come here for seminars, and the rest talk nonsense on KZbin and facebook when they have accomplished nothing. 😆

[@guycalabrese4040]

@@shieldk9 What's the meaning of your reply? I thought you were agsinst the use of these things. Well, it's still ok to hunt with traps in us so I guess you guys are stuck in the old wild west. Have you seen how trapped animals suffer? And this is allowed in 2021???

[@guycalabrese4040]

@@shieldk9 "World level euro trainers"??? There is no such thing. Each country has it's own laws and ways to train K9. In most westerneuropean countries the police and military have ways to train without the use of electricity and stackel. Using these methods leads to criminal charges and the handler loses his job and faces several years in prison. Idiots going to us to teach are privateers - like all those security dudes from Israel teaching us police bullshit krav maga. Nothing official there... Just privateers making money...

[@PandaWorldYT]

He didn’t say he was against the use of prong or e collar. The message was to use them properly and carefully or not at all. He said over and over again they don’t train dogs. Doesn’t mean they’re not useful.

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

@@guycalabrese4040 thank you. Exactly. I live in an European country where Ecollar is banned. Fortunately. But unable trainers and owners are using this tool again. I live and train Gsds since 30 years and Wolfdogs since 15 years and I have never used this bullshit. Its for incompetent people that are unable to learn their dogs orientation in a positive way. That are unable to establish a stop comand Unable to own a dog.

[@scottfeuer7686]

My GSD is super stoked when I get the e collar out. He knows we are going out and he will probably be off leash. I use the lowest level of stim that works. Sometimes just the vibration mode. Every dog is different. Every situation is different.

[@liroymiller2926]

Please teach how when and where to us a prong collar. My friend has a problem with his pitbull EXACTLY the one that bruno has. PLEASE HELP.

[@jacobhartwell8211]

He has a video about how to use the print collar. Look through his channel.

[@marybaker5319]

What happens if you have a dog and wants to scop out any it can find and not here you and it command especially when their a cat next door how do u break the dog from that

[@fightorflightgamer4420]

Agreed you can make the dogs behavior worse if you dont know what your doing. I seen "professional" trainers use E collars to punish dogs when the dog simply didnt understand what was being asked of him. Idiots like them should not be allowed to show others how to so call train their dogs

[@Rh0dan1970]

I cant help but wonder how many of the people that damage their dog, one way or another , with one of these devices, will admit it was their fault. If a device is this prone to improper use, should it be available top amateurs?

[@accufab]

A flat collar is, and you can hurt a dog badly with a flat collar. Since 46% of all puppies are given up before the first year, maybe require a course to even get a dog.

[@SimpleCountryDogTrainer]

@@accufabthis is absolutely true.

[@johngileon2422]

any thoughts on slip chains?

[@malinataylor9184]

Most of the time slip leads and or a dominant dog collar works better simply because many times choke chains get caught or pinch the skin which can be annoying and ineffective when trying to apply corrections. When using any of these tools pressure on pressure off is important, it should fit up high behind the dog's ears, and doing at least a few sessions of teaching the dog to yield to leash pressure will be most effective.

[@rezahoseinkhani2547]

great

[@shanakarlsen3952]

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[@davidrardain4185]

When i used have my German shepherd and if how a person you could help with e cal

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[@Clikaco]

Overall love shield k-9 but this one was just an unsurprising rant dubbed over some stock dog footage.

[@gabrielmelgoza7365]

How can I find the best trainers In my local az state. I feel like most trainers are moneygrabs. I wanna find a legit passionate one

[@dippertheservicepupintrain1537]

Prongs and e-collars dont train dogs, they are training tools. Just that. If you want to use one, research and learn, if you still aren't sure, like he said ask a professional

[@dogcarenow2523]

thanks for watching the video

[@VinnyBully]

You didnt tell us how to use it.

[@coolbreeze8572]

I only use my prong collar to keep from him pulling the leash. He does better when he is off leash but its illegal here so....

[@seanmiller292]

My dog has an e collar on all the time... Dont judge me he's deaf.

[@desireevarga7463]

Great video about pressure and release. Since you're interested in horses, I highly recommend viewing Rick Gore's youtube channel "Think Like a Horse." He's helped hundreds of people transition from a bridle with a "pain metal bit" to a rope halter. One of his greatest philosophical remarks is that "Training is a process, not an event," which is easily transferable to living and learning new things every day.

[@danny192]

👀 my google search. I looked up prong collars yesterday. Nice!

[@kytestar]

On my google search I looked up the rack, breakers wheel and thumbscrews. All sound like excellent devices to stop idiots using e-collars on dogs!

[@loes6839]

Exactly this went wrong with my rescue Malinois. He has redirected agression because of this. They teached him to be scared of dogs and react to dogs because that gave him either attention or a shock. So dogs are scary because they hurt. In the beginning he couldnt walk on a normal collar (just fabric) because once there was tension on the leash, he would panic and backup 2 or 3 meters. Now he can just walk on a normal collar but he still prefers his harness. He has grey spots in his neck (as a black 2yo malinois) from a pinch collar. He is a pet, they should have never used it on him. He is now 5 years old and still reactive (way less than before), is not as scared of humans anymore (he used to turn into a small ball when someone had a higher volume voice or when someone puts his hand high really fast). Because of all these problematic cases, the e collar and prong collars are now banned in the Netherlands which I think is good for pet owners. But even hunters can't use it to recall their dogs anymore.

[@gerardcarrington8694]

Hey Haz thank you for the valuable video! I probably am one of those guys that has put a check chain on my dog after watching your videos, ID like to think I have learnt how to use it by watching you however I'm sure there are always ways that I can improve my application of pressure. How would you suggest that i learn more about the use of these pressure tools?

[@Carina_med_Robban]

Can't stress enough how important this video is. The message is extremely important to get out to ordinary people. You completely destroy your dog if you use these tools incorrectly. That is why the tools are banned in Sweden. Owners who lacked total knowledge about e-collar and prong collar have gone from dog training to animal cruelty. If the tools are used correctly, they are a very good help in dog training.

[@evilherbivore13]

Tbh these tools aren't as common in the UK. It's usually more terrible choke chain handling I see 🙄. I'm not saying they are bad tools but absolutely should be used with a trainer to ensure use is correct and fair. Training any animal is all about timing. In the wrong hands they can do so much damage.

[@bradyodom]

Have a kid and try positive only reinforcement. Let me know how that works out for you.

[@1packatak]

These are tools and a way to communicate. Period. However, it is 100% up to the owner to research and learn how to use them. Then it is the responsibility of the owner to put in the time and the reps with the dog to really teach the dog the commands. And then proof, which the vast majority of owners have no idea how to do. I was lucky and found a trainer who took the time to teach me how to use them correctly (we were moving to a home with acreage and I needed reliable off lead behaviors). I was also lucky in that I had had an aggressive dogs several years earlier, and had learned a ton of information on canine body language, which made learning how to use these tools go much quicker, and helped me be more effective. We now live in a world where people want things fixed with minimal effort. They don’t put the time in to teach the puppy from the get go. And the dog pays the price.

[@gabriellal0462]

I learned on my own how to use a prong collar and the most I ever do with it is just move the chain, the noise is what I use, however he has one vise and that is any grate or metal on the ground he will swerve to avoid it even if it is a road so it is mostly use in case he goes towards the street because a 180 pound dog moving towards the busy main street. He loves it though if I touch it and it makes noise he is there whining at the door or at my feet waiting to have it put on

[@marchoude2303]

If y ou can move the chain to make noise, it's not on him correctly.

[@shannonmcpherson9886]

Only used a ecollar on are hunting dogs

[@anthia1156]

I don't agree with prong collars or e-collars. My dog does not even wear a plain collar indoors. We put on a neon yellow one, only for walks that has his name and our phone numbers (in case the harness comes off) but we walk him with a harness.

[@accufab]

Is he a sled dog? And who walks who?

[@anthia1156]

@@accufab He is a GSD/malamute mix, so at the beginning of the walk (first five minutes) he walks us, afterwards he settles and walks normally. Occasionally he will pull but because we take him on very long walks he burns his energy and calms down. He concentrates on the neighbourhood gossip: who peed where, who is pregnant, who had their b**** removed etc He has a very interesting gait, he trots like a GSD, runs (flies actually) like a malamute.

[@accufab]

Well I guess it depends what kind of walk you are on. If i am on a structured walk i would not allow my dog to pull me for 5 minutes. I want him beside me in the heeling position, and this is what he does. I also do not allow all the behaviors you mention (the neighborhood gossip). Now if i have him in an open area then i let him off leash and he can do as he pleases because he has a 100% recall. I trained him with a prong (structured walk) and an ecollar, which i have on him when he’s off leash. With the ecollar I can reach him when he is off leash if i needed. He is low level ecollar trained. I used both these tools to train him. The ecollar was layered over known commands. He’s on a 5 out of 100. Its a tickle if that. These tools. are no different than your harness in that they are used to apply pressure. I deplore you to open your mind to these tools. They can be very effective when used properly. Also every dog is different, some need very little pressure to be trained properly, some more.

[@anthia1156]

@@accufab I respect your opinion but I do not agree, at least for the specific dog (mine) because he is very obedient, sharp as a tack, very easy to train, therefore I go easy on him. Moreover, because he is half Malamute, off leash is a very rare occurence for us and under specific circumstances: forest, or generally no cars and relatively warm weather because he knows that i hold the water and he will come back to me eventually when he gets hot. If the weather is cold or god forbid snowing, he will run until he reaches the North Pole.

[@accufab]

I am not hard on my dog because he is trained. I used these tools to train him. I walk him in the city, therefore I do not want him peeing etc on every tree and pole. He also get plenty of time every day off leash, hiking etc, to do all those things. He’s an un neutered male, he’d be busy the entire time. A structured walk is just as important as an unstructured walk. You can see him here if you’d like kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZDYpGSbis6BqZo

[@jacknj14U]

I am not using a prong collar any more on my dog because of this video.

[@bridgetb6582]

Prong collars and e collars are tools to manage unmanageable situations; they are not at all training. I work with dogs and I've been bit by dogs that have been 'trained' with a shock collar and have to suffer serious reactivity issues because of it. Thank u I love this I'm glad to see it.

[@stewartashling9893]

Once you learn how to do anything its ok.

[@Freedom-cd8dr]

I use an e collar and once you get to a level where your dog reacts to the shock but it doesn't hurt them and with my German Shepard he's been doing really well and he almost never needs a shock it usually takes me pressing the button to make it vibrate and he'll stop whatever he was doing wrong it also mellows your dog out if they act up alot and jump

[@kytestar]

And you know it doesn't hurt them because? Did the dog turn around and say "wow, that didn't hurt". Stop being an asshat and train a dog correctly without tasering the crap out of him. Poor dog!

[@ambivalentaxe]

@@kytestar must suck not having a brain i wonder how u live

[@callyourgeek]

your incorrect about correct use of prong collars. The way a mother dog corrects her puppy is by biting the scruff/neck and a prong collar emulates that. This mother dog correction is implanted in their DNA and is needed in the wild because if they dont listen to mom... they die. Will a mother dog try and choke the chit out of her puppy with a "correction bite" NO... no a mother snips or tugs at the scruff/neck and thats all is needed with a prong/command collar. YOU DONT try and choke the chit out of your dog... THATS CRUEL. Positive correction 99% of the time and only emulate the "mother correction" only as often as a mother dog would... only when its needed ONLY. Rest of the time act like she would and love the puppy for goodness sakes and for remote training... NEVER SHOCK the chit out of your dog... if you need remote training... only consider vibration. This dog was abused by electric and we all can tell. That is a classic over "electric shock" correction behavior. Stop shocking the chit out of your dogs... love them like a mother would and youll have better results.

[@yiani31]

7 minutes of "don't use them if you don't know how", not a single sentence about how to use them. wtf

[@goymedhundDogtrainingBehavior]

illegal in Norway - thank God. that way they will not be misused.. and we have dogs in the top world league that were never trained with these devices..

[@tnlove882]

Sad it’s illegal you shouldn’t be proud of it these are great tools if you have to have them let’s make chainsaws illegal because people accidentally cutting themselves using them incorrectly thank god I live in America

[@apeiceofmoldedclay]

I think it depends on the dog. If you have a small dog that is sensitive you might scratch your head and wonder why anyone would put these devices on their dog. But what about aggressive dogs? Aggressive dogs that bite people or reactive dogs. Or some stubborn type breeds.

[@jkg2754]

Watching your video, you give the impression that it’s a simple process ? Also that it’s a good thing that the owner can easily do.

[@vprintcluj3238]

I walk my dog in a training leash (a rope with a loop) from day one. She never pulls, it's calm and relaxed so there is no pressure on her neck. Never gets aggressive, even when provoked by other dogs, ignores them and enjoys the walks. She might not get aggressive because she's still a puppy at 6 months, but it's a 60 pounds puppy....I realised raising my voice doesn't work because she's stubborn and just ignores me if she's not in the mood to do what I want. Maybe some pressure would be needed, but I still think she's to young. Great guard dog otherwise. In our yard barks anything away since she was 4 months old and is very vigilant. She takes her bed and moves it to spaces from where she can keep an eye on all entrances. (Mioritic Shepherd mix with Caucasian)

[@michelleturner6865]

Horses don’t need bits. They are more likely to spook and run because of the pain from bits. I’ve had horses 50 years. Since I three the bits away 15 years ago it’s been so much better. Dogs are predators horses are not. Training them is very different. A fearful horse is a very dangerous animal. By size Of a dog kills you he meant to. If a horse does chances are 99 percent accidental. Get a bitless bridle and you can ride with hurting your horse.

[@sebg2086]

its easy to train a dog without a e collar and prong in a fence environement with no distraction......

[@X5XST4RK1L3R]

He uses e collars and prongs just properly.

[@ondrejhamala1506]

First you have to teach dog basics what you want, than build on those mastered basics in more difficult environement, or with distractions i guess?

[@sebg2086]

@@ondrejhamala1506 but all no dog are the same....some will shit all the times in your house....some will learn the same day....pulling is a problem that a lot of dog can only be solve by prong collar

[@sebg2086]

@@ondrejhamala1506 go check what he used in his Training a Husky to HEEL video

[@Josh.1234]

Lol " with no distraction"

[@panzertooE-CollartrainingPAGER]

yeah stop

[@SilentEagleFPV]

My GSD would get excited when the prom caller would come out I used it only for walk so it was associated with a good time

[@SilverSkylark]

I would only ever use an ecollar if I had a deaf dog that I took on hikes or off-leash in large areas. I don’t think household family dogs or non-working dogs need ecollars.

[@mdd4866]

this guys lost

[@griffinreitz7041]

In 47 years of dog training I have seen many tools used correctly and many not. But I have also seen many things made way more complicated than needed. No one knew what they were doing when they started. We figured it out over the years. Yes, you can mess things up, but it is not near as easy to mess up a dog than many make it out to be. And if you do mess something up, most times you can fix it. It is easier to not mess it up in the first place but we are all learning. I would always advise getting some training, but a little common sense goes a long ways. Trouble is common sense is so uncommon, these days ! I had a young lady, telling me all about how things were done "in the good old days" before these tools. When I told her she had no idea what she was talking about she got a bit upset and ask me how I figured that. Well, I was there ! LOL The first e-collar I saw, was like $600, an unbelievable price in probably the late 70s. It had three settings. High, higher, and oh shit. You had to catch your dog, take off the collar, and change the contact points to adjust the levels. High level, brutal tool, but still so much better than what we had been doing it wasn't even funny. The "good old days" weren't all that great. Especially if you were a dog, but somehow they survived. But, things evolved, got better, and we figured out better ways to use the tools, and got MUCH better tools. Given time so will a lot of other people. It's not rocket science. Relax, have some fun with your dog. Odds are you'll be fine. As for your bridle and bit. Relax there too. I was handling one of those for a couple years by the time I was 6 years old. That ain't rocket science either, till you get to a very high level. :)

[@HeyWatchMeGo]

Agree with a lot of your statements. I think a basis statement that would help a lot of people is to consider "How would you teach (an animal) to do *something. If they would take the time to think that question through, it would help with a lot of the unwanted behaviors. Unfortunately, people are inadvertently teaching an animal to DO something...then later on, they have to figure out how to correct that...

[@Josh.1234]

Ecollar or prong collar are just tools, I don't think anyone really thinks it trains the dogs in and of itself. Just like all the tools that came before them, they can be misused for sure. And you're right a lot of people misuse them but it's not unique in that regard. Plenty of people screw dogs up by yanking leashes, setting wrong patterns, screaming at the dogs, punishing dogs by cooping them too long or beating them... maybe I got the wrong take away but it sounded like alot of hate on ecollars and their handlers and it just queue up the positive only trainers in the comments, yawn. Not sure if this video is old or what but all the trainers, handlers I know of use ecollars heck even lackland airforce base trainers I have talked to use them for their service dogs... It's pretty mainstream in ipo etc here on east coast. Such a great tool when used properly and can speed up training. The correction can be so instantaneous and precise as well as scaleable/severity. My black working line GSD has never redirected aggression on me or the leash with either prong or ecollar and she's been shocked a fair amount. She sees that thing and it's party time, we are going somewhere or doing something. I can let her lose a lot more in areas with deer, coyotes, foxes, etc and still be able to recall her reliably also. At some point you had to learn how to use the ecollar for the first time and I bet you weren't using it perfectly but that didn't make it a not good tool or not worth putting time in with it. Amateur handlers can use books or training sessions with pros to get the basics but it's similar to my 50ft line that needs direction for the trainer as well.

[@kinguin7]

This guy isn't opposed to the use of either, if that was the impression you got.

[@Josh.1234]

@@kinguin7 Yeah it was pretty negative nancy from start to finish but I could gather he might be ok with them. Just odd to crap on people's use of it constantly as if its some unique way people mess up dogs.

[@kinguin7]

@@Josh.1234 he's got plenty of videos on using both, the rant is directed at people's misunderstanding. I'll agree that it's not entirely fair to single out pinch collars and e-collars, when it's entirely possible to mess up a dog with a regular collar and leash or even just bare hands.

[@Josh.1234]

@@kinguin7 Fair enough, yeah I should probably watch more of his other videos for context. sounds like it wasn't his full view of the subject. I am an amateur trainer/handler and I went the route of monks of new skete along with 1v1 pro trainers who taught me how to train the dog. Ecollar was key after 6-8months and it was so much easier than my long 20-40ft leads i used early on. so I am fairly pro ecollar but even more so in our area where positive only trainers regularly give ecollar users crap publicly.

[@melissahuber7601]

Not sure if you have already but could you do an instructional video on exactly how to use these collars. I’ve been training my husky off leash for 4 yrs now as she doesn’t play anymore in a park ,more in an open field and it’s the only way she gets exercise and she listens well but we use the collar to only keep her safe.this breed having prey drive and it’s to keep her from running into danger.I did a lot of reading on how to use it properly and don’t just trust any way.maybe you could shed some light.I’m always trying to learn and maybe there’s one or two things I could train.I only train her for safety reason and that’s the only time we use it is when she’s off leash

[@michellemanning2518]

Only use these tools mostly the ecollar under the direction of a professional trainer I stress this every time someone ask about it...I've absolutely love my prong and ecollar not only has the ecollar polished our training but has also saved my dogs life...the prong collar has been a absolute confidence building tool when walking traditional training on a leash didnt work for my Malinois his focus wasnt what it should be for lack of better word even our trainer who's a k9 officer agreed "slow learner" hes got a slow learner hes been training for the department who ended up once things clicked in his head one of their best dogs the prong collar helped him he wasn't in a hurry to get through our walks pulling me to death luckily for me having horses has made me stronger than I look lol I'm not tall or big build lol but the prong collar definitely helped him in 2 seconds of walking out the door for walk slow down and smell the roses....the ecollar really has made things even better now hes absolutely on top of his game....ecollar shouldn't be used unless under the direction of well established trainer that has several years of experience with them...excellent video I almost didnt watch cause I thought it was gonna be anti prong and ecollar but I was like let me hear their opinions

[@racquettalk6643]

But its also not correct to just say "I don't know how to use it so I won't try". Thats weak and dumb!