Stop Using 808s (DO THIS INSTEAD!)

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[@fernandohafez6064]

Stop using 808s, start using 3xOSC 😎🤙

[@NavieD]

😡 How dare you!

[@stevenpaul2023]

Hahaha

[@Bumper210]

Jokes aside, you can make great 808 with Sytrus!

[@jahmi3606]

What’s wrong with 3xosc

[@sch3intot41]

@@Bumper210 i use harmor

[@ScumCoreSounds]

I feel in some way, those who are not musicians before they tried music production assume 808 is only option for a BASS section and do not understand the purpose of each instrument and frequency

[@NavieD]

Yep, this is something I see all the time during my beat reviews. So I made this video to hopefully help people broaden their skillsets

[@ScumCoreSounds]

Perfect, I have considered this issue before and is inspiring to see someone touch on it, finally lots of people can know this 👍

[@thetylersherman]

For that first example, I could see the acoustic bass complementing an 808 section pretty well all on the same track. For example, the acoustic bass you demonstrated on some nice flowy verses, and then building into the hook with a more simplified 808 line and a bit more energy from the supporting percussion and hats.

[@NavieD]

Yeah that would def be a cool idea

[@NavieD]

Please wash your hands after watching this video

[@buzwemaka7264]

🤣🤣🤣tf Navie

[@prodbyrohit3624]

😂👍

[@k.o.d.b.productions4966]

I always wash my hands!!!

[@cwcpants140]

What if i was washing my hands for the WHOLE VIDEO? 🤔🤔🤔

[@user-lt2rw5nr9s]

@@cwcpants140 I've done that before, make sure you don't accidentally get water on your phone.

[@mindus5760]

yeah damn right, often find myself in situations where i just add an 808 because i always do lol

[@NavieD]

Hahaha yeah, this is exactly what I want to help people avoid

[@generalkenobidaily4642]

Using a live bass VST is one of my favorite things when making samples

[@NavieD]

Ooh you're a bass player?

[@keejay12]

I make my basslines with my voice like Timbaland does when he makes his basslines 😳

[@user-lt2rw5nr9s]

Speaking 808s into existence

[@NavieD]

For my basslines, I only use samples of frogs and boost the low end 😎

[@keejay12]

@@NavieD Lmao hahahaha

[@t.j5090]

I use my farts 💀

[@keejay12]

@@t.j5090 i heard the silent ones make good sub basslines 😳

[@learningcrypto8562]

I think especially in Trap or Hip Hop a fantastic alternative to an 808 Bass is a reese bass or something like this, changes things up and can bring a lot of atmosphere on top that 808s usually can't.

[@NavieD]

Ooh I love a nice thick, juicy reese bass

[@persona8991]

How can I get it

[@learningcrypto8562]

@@persona8991 Search for Reese Bass Sample Packs or watch Tutorial in how to Sound Design one from Scratch, in a Synth Like serum or vital.

[@0ne0f0neMusic]

using a combination of both in separate section of your song could make the overall beat interesting. Love the dynamics of the acoustic bass and the added harmony the synth bass offers on the low end, but when I want a section of the track to be felt in the chest I go with an 808. Great vid!

[@mnf94-60]

I was thinking the same thing

[@NavieD]

Yep! Really smart technique for sure

[@p-k-musicmedia1126]

The way that that beat sounds, the 808 would be good for the verse. Then the synth bass would be good for the hook, just take the drums off. This sounds like a mystikal beat.

[@jokeychan7526]

Navie "if you ever get bored you can just unsubscribe" Me: how could i even get bored i love this man, so much insight.

[@NavieD]

😘 how lovely Jokey

[@richie8354]

love lowkey joking

[@milltymefresh]

You love him, bro?

[@jokeychan7526]

@@milltymefresh no homo 😂

[@jokeychan7526]

@@richie8354 more like appreciate his existence and how helpful he is.

[@idesel]

This is the end of 808 religion 😬Used to feel like I was making the same beat over and over again while using only 808s.

[@NavieD]

Hahah yeah I want to push you guys to start thinking about other types of basses available.

[@gabrielbenavidez1438]

Navie you’re a real one man 🤝 what you do is very much appreciated 😤

[@NavieD]

Dag thank you Gabriel

[@TMG9836]

Thank you for re-opening the course enrollment.

[@NavieD]

😘 Thank you for joining Tyler!

[@TheRealCalijokes01]

Man your a legend now geesh that beat was crazy

[@troolee4145]

Last night I actually created a nice melodic beat and where I tried nearly every 808 bass in my sound bank to fill the beat with a satisfying bass, instead it muffled my melodies. I got discouraged and wore my brain out I went to rest. Well demonstrated...thanks👍🏿

[@NavieD]

Hahah hopefully using another type of bass helped!

[@w4ste.official]

How did it turn out?

[@jasong5696]

Did u fix the problem bro same been happening to me made mellodic drill beat tryd every 808 i have and yea sounds muffled and ruins the whole beat lol 😆 2 days sitting at that fukn computer something gotta give

[@tylergorski6754]

So glad I found your channel you explain things so well. Thank you!

[@NavieD]

Thank you Tyler! I am happy to have you on board my friend

[@nevermore6171]

Yeah, good stuff man! As a starting producer I need to experiment more. I’ve been using 808s and reese bass for the most time. Synth bass sounds good, need to try it out. Thanks for the idea and the inspiration, keep it up! I’ve been subbed since like October and your growth is impressive :)

[@JMXCzw]

This a very insightful video. I have been abusing 808s for the longest... Much appreciated. Thanks👏

[@AbhishekVerma-qt9uc]

Navie, thank you so much for this tutorial man. this really made a curve in my beat making career

[@NavieD]

🙏🏾 awesome, glad I can be of service

[@hyt8997]

Man. I learn something new everytime I watch your videos. Thanks a lot for such 💎

[@NavieD]

You are welcome Jeswil! Glad you are learning

[@kallmehu1598]

More diverse bass always adds Spice and uniqueness. Props for sharing the knowledge. Peeeeaceeeee

[@NavieD]

Big Hu! Thank you for watching my frienddddd

[@kallmehu1598]

@@NavieD as always homie!!!!!

[@composer772]

thanks so much for making these videos bro you really help me out!

[@cwcpants140]

808s are generally good but this is a more funky beat so the bass guitar fits much smoother and more cohesively.

[@NavieD]

For sure, this video is meant to show producers that 808s are not the only option for basses. I commonly see people reach for 808s no matter what type of beat they make.

[@beatsbyrcco]

I really feel like 808 isn't being given the respect it deserves. The 808 has become it's own instrument that you have to tune and perfect just like any other instru. Would be interesting to see if 808 goes away though I think it's just going to grow stronger as prods tweak and dice deeper into the science that is 808. Bigups tho Nav, working basslines is a much needed lesson now that 808 has pushed it aside

[@NavieD]

808s are great to use (like I mentioned at the end). I just worry that a lot of newer beatmakers may reach for 808s EVERY time, and so I would like to see more diversity and creativity.

[@beatsbyrcco]

@@NavieD yeah true, don't know if I'm speaking for the masses too but I personally would appreciate an in depth tutorial on understanding basslines and being able to pick them off on instinct, maybe put out a little pack of your fav bass plucks and one-shots. I would learn from it for sure! 💯 Nav, keep it real I appreciate the effort that goes into the vids man

[@PeteS_1994]

I feel the 808 is the sound signature of this generation just like the electric guitar was probably the sound signature when rock was most popular.

[@meanwhileinespoo1265]

I find that although it produces a hell of a thump.... the 808s are a little too present in most mixes... I mean you cant listen to most amateur trap songs and beats after 10 at night without the cops being called :) ...

[@beatsbyrcco]

@@meanwhileinespoo1265 too true 🤣 I've actually since switched from 808 to trying out other hard hitting bass types. The log for instance is a nice drum with a wide range

[@cedricblomhof6355]

This one is gold 👌🏿 Thank you

[@NavieD]

You're welcome Cedric!

[@Whizperbeats]

damn this vid just immediately helped with the beat I'm working on rn

[@NavieD]

Hahah what a coincidence. Glad I could help mannnnn

[@pakdakidtv]

Next video: what beats to make while resting in between sets at the gym

[@NavieD]

ollol you real silly Pak

[@hectorheckler6327]

Great insight. But sometimes, when you're dialing in a certain sound that appeals to potential artists that will buy your beats, the 808 is essential in many cases. A lot of artists won't touch the beat if it doesn't rattle the speakers.....or headphones for that matter. But, I get what you're saying. Synth basslines are what I prefer to use whenever I do boombap beats.

[@NavieD]

There's a time and a place for all types of bass

[@animeariif5966]

@@NavieD just cause u ain't got your 808 game and bounce on point. 808 works listen to the radio

[@Butt-HeadtheAlmighty]

@@animeariif5966 How dare u talk to God like that

[@animeariif5966]

@@Butt-HeadtheAlmighty Yeah why u talk to my like this rn?

[@Butt-HeadtheAlmighty]

@@animeariif5966 Learn English.

[@Cronsenbeatz]

Damn you are so right bro, thanks, that helps me much 🔥🔥👍

[@k.o.d.b.productions4966]

Okay, these visual are hilarious!!

[@NavieD]

Watch out for that butt juice KODB

[@user-lt2rw5nr9s]

@@NavieD 808s and fat kids in trunks, 808s and clogged toilets. Now what happens when the fat kid is taking up space inside the clogged toilet?

[@NavieD]

My god, I should make a short story one day where all of these characters come back

[@flgangcage6313]

@@NavieD facts!

[@H4554ni]

Sir your videos are great. Subscribed

[@tala2069]

I always love your visuals

[@NavieD]

They are quite stupid and enjoyable

[@factsonlyfacts461]

thanks again for the gems Navie D! This helped me out a lot bro!

[@NavieD]

You are most welcome my friend

[@jameymurray71]

i learned how to use other types of bass / sidechaining before 808s definitely recommend

[@NavieD]

Sounds like you have many tools at your disposal. I like it!

[@GoReallaBeatz]

Good idea.👍👍

[@chilufyamatanda]

I have been racing away from 808s for a long time.. This is really helpful

[@NavieD]

There's always a time and place to use them!

[@joshuabreedenjr42]

This video was very.... very informative. Definitely got my subscription.

[@Kosich2]

very helpful tip master

[@NavieD]

very nice comment Edgar!

[@bezalelthecreative8503]

Been waiting for a video like this. In fact I feel adding 808s makes a producer sound alike as everyone’s

[@swordis45]

Helpful video,blessings

[@NavieD]

Glad I could help my friend

[@amirgrant844]

This video made me subscribe. Very useful tips. Thank you! 👍😄

[@NavieD]

Glad to have you on board Amir!

[@Aywusgod]

Agree. I definitely always make sure to have an 808 in my beats, but I like mixing them together with a sub or reese as well.

[@NavieD]

I like your style my friend

[@scaleshenry]

I think the 808 use is just the trend right now. As a old school producer we always use 808's just in different ways one example is the way a New York sample based producer would use an 808, as a layer, a bit muffled on top of a 909, vs a down South producer i.e. Atlanta or Miami area where the 808 is the kick drum then it became the baseline itself lol! Great video

[@NavieD]

Thanks El! Yeah I was surprised reading RZA explain how he used to use 808s back in his early Wu Tang beats too. They're definitely versatile

[@scaleshenry]

@@NavieD Oh yes the 808 is a classic! But it is time for some new basslines lol keep up the good work

[@thazmania120]

What's even a 909 💀

[@salaam76]

Syth bass is what I use great video

[@lafamylcamerasulset8]

Really great tutorial, I'm gonna try to do that in my beats.

[@thomasmartin7524]

THANK YOU!!!! There is a whole universe beyond the 808...

[@NavieD]

Yep, this is all that I wanted to point out in this video

[@jassijatt4418]

👌🏿 nice big bro

[@NavieD]

👌

[@thurdysixo]

Damn, you're right.

[@B_R_X_D]

Toilet: *flushes in the background* My hand : *starts twitching* The Plunger : '' hold my beer''

[@NavieD]

Put on some gloves at least if you're gonna dive in with your hands

[@B_R_X_D]

@@NavieD 🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥

[@viccoleman7500]

I have learned alot from u in the past month

[@NavieD]

Glad to have you on board big Vic!

[@red0ctane19]

Ooh! This will be interesting! Don't think I've ever tried not using 808's. Time to try this after work for sure!

[@NavieD]

Interesting! I had a feeling that many producers stick to 808s because they haven't tried any other types of basses

[@red0ctane19]

@@NavieD I feel you are very correct good sir! It almost gets programmed in us to use 808's when starting with trap/Hip hop. I'll hear an amazing bassline in a song and try to emulate it to teach myself different techniques and learn various styles, but then I always find myself reaching for an 808 or not knowing what kind of bass to reach for in general and failing miserably. Production gold again Navie! 🔥💪

[@stephenmills4232]

i started making everything and just sending my friend who actually plays guitar the stems so he could add a real authentic feel to them now.

[@dukedevinski]

That beat is 🔥

[@NavieD]

Thank you Duke! I think you might like the beat from the video I posted today

[@dimiyos]

Тhank you very much for this video. so far I have not met elsewhere to discuss this topic. it gave me an answer to the question why I do not get good bits. I would ask if you can do a more extensive view of this topic. How to find the the right bass for the specific situation.

[@hiphopchild9540]

those millennium producers will never go backward, 808 has become the new standard...

[@NavieD]

Let's keep makin them boomer beats until they listen

[@TRFAD]

I mean I use all kinds my self.

[@tobypage7189]

@@NavieD 😂 Looking back = boomer now, and let's all act like exploring 808s tonally hasn't been done thoroughly and almost to death within another well known genre, and none of those 808s you show are in a 'key' as they're a single note only. 👏👏 Anyway, as you were 👍

[@itsrelativ3967]

Thank god somebody is speaking on this. I actually play the electric bass guitar and I can play bass for real. I got into the whole 808 craze back in 2015 and it's totally destroying my creativity.

[@NavieD]

Hahah yeah, doing the same thing over and over again, no matter what it is, can really destroy creativity

[@itsrelativ3967]

@@NavieD Yea 808s bass can drain your ears drums. Which eventually takes away the harmony that needs to be heard in the overall instrumental. In Logic Pro X there's a stock plugin called ES2. I just create saw, square, triangle and sine synth bass notes with that. If I need a live bass I go to Kontakt VST. LOL

[@Mikey-pq1um]

I am personally a big fan of both but I like to balance them out like south side beats 808 and chill beat I use bass guitars but all up to you ,the creator do what you feel is the best and what sounds right to you

[@SpyderBlackOfficial]

I agree on the higher note 808 notes sounding overbearing. I hear so many beats using that method but sometimes their going overboard to the point where it doesn't sound musical.

[@NavieD]

Yeah, it can sounds really abrasive really quickly to me too. Especially in a lot of drill beats

[@SpyderBlackOfficial]

@@NavieD EXACTLY the drill ones. I also noticed some use a sine wave synth sound instead of using an actual 808 to hit on the upper notes (even though an 808 is a sine wave just pitched down).. Sounds really artificial lol

[@TheElsOne]

Thanks :)

[@NavieD]

You're welcome!

[@gxxnie]

Just goin back to this video rn to tell you how 100% right you are.... thank you so much This is a glorious moment

[@NavieD]

About not using your hands to unclog a toilet?

[@gxxnie]

@@NavieD Nah that saves time.. I was talking about the bass trick.. it's beautiful

[@yukitakimoto1668]

Depends on what 808 sound you are using. Route 505 for example is a great 808 for slide and higher notes in more agressive beats. But sometimes a synth bass really adds another sauce.

[@omaro8240]

Thank you

[@NavieD]

You are welcome O.O.

[@TK-dn9hh]

thank you KZbin algorithm, sum serious content right here

[@NavieD]

Hahah finally the algorithm is on my side!

[@andersanderson9121]

I usually put some real basslines in the intro and the parts where no drums hitting but for the beat itself i prefer 808s because they give u the bounce that makes your head move and they go better with drums

[@Trivelakick]

The most unique teacher in the youtube. Navie da King.

[@Juline1221]

Idk what it was about u talking to me n 5 min segments but that course really helped like on some overnight shit thank you.

[@ranaji5669]

Most different tutoriat on this channnel ❌🧢🐐

[@kidchronicbeats]

The pad in this beat is straight gas bruh

[@NavieD]

💥

[@rybotekk]

Thanktou.

[@curtwilliams2606]

Both synth & 808 sounded good to me on that party banger example

[@debarunchatterjee9594]

My Man The Legend Navie D💪🔥

[@NavieD]

Big Deb how is it going my friend

[@debarunchatterjee9594]

@@NavieD All Good What boutcha my man?

[@jermaineflowers1538]

Sometimes I do both. Just mix them in and out so the don't clash.

[@mehmetcanbicen12]

This dude and toilets man, love the explanations.

[@NavieD]

🚽 best seat in the house

[@loopskemyh]

Damn okey, those visuals funneh

[@NavieD]

I'm a real funneh boyeh

[@milltymefresh]

This beat is 🔥🔥🔥

[@NavieD]

Thank you King!

[@martinjameskeys]

I’m a start doing this. I like my music to be melodic with a bassline.

[@TorontoPopulistConservative]

You can make the 808 taper nicely by using the "out" knob in sampler

[@NavieD]

True, but at that point, maybe reaching for another type of bass becomes a better idea, especially with how many bass presets allow you to play with envelope modulation.

[@glueh]

Nice view

[@motiveprince]

This Massive plugin is a must have indeed.

[@NavieD]

You like Massive?

[@HashtagObi]

Wow okay , ALT + X (scaler) has changed my workflow lmao thanks

[@NavieD]

Hahah at least you've gotten something out of this video!

[@atharvdamle5058]

Navie's analogies are out of the world

[@NavieD]

Thank you Atharv

[@makaakbeatz3688]

Finally!!

[@MvnStn]

Can you make an automation clip with the notes inside of Vocodex? I'm trying to play a melody and I want the notes on the mini piano roll located inside Vocodex to record with my beat. (Similar to the mini piano roll used to change root notes) I tried to record it in a new channel, and also with the channel I have Vododex routed through, but the sound stops playing altogether.. so no luck recording. So, I thought an automation clip would work, but I can't create one with either the original plug in (Podloksi) or through Vocodex, which is routed through it. Am I just completely off here or? Lol Did that even make sense? Cheers!

[@jjohara1949]

Great video as usual but I do have to challenge one technical issue - Although like a pre-made 808 sample a toilet plunger is a good tool, a much better approach is to drop a pan or jug of water from head height down the toilet. Does the job better and you look way smarter than the average producer with a blocked toilet. In this analogy I guess the jug of water is the Moog Synth bass - an age old solution that's still cool.

[@NavieD]

🤯 I don't know what I just read but I like it

[@MasaTheSlayer]

Or then mix both on both cases. But in that case i would cut most of the 808 notes and make it follow mainly kick pattern and work more as sub-bass only and not as bass.

[@NavieD]

Yeah, also a cool idea. Mixing multiple basses in one beat can be a great technique as well

[@summerlaverdure]

i stopped using 808s and now started using the sounds of wine glasses and the French horn. This sacrifices a bit in the cohesion catergory but has gotten the dungeonsynth crowd to listen to dirty south so I may be on to something here

[@OhShootKid]

Sub bass is my crutch. Too often I’ll have a straight sub on a chorus without proper sidechaining 😬 I like these examples though, always good to try new stuff!

[@NavieD]

For sure, that was my intention with this video. I just want to give people more ideas for their music, and help them grow their skillset

[@pakdakidtv]

When I first started I used to use guitar bass for a bass line

[@zerocat888]

I started with piano. In the beginning, I didn't know how to create bass. I was just experimenting and I was able to make a bass from piano by accident and I liked it.

[@chriscomedy2154]

Ay this is helpful for me I only have stock plugins with no 808s😭

[@HattyMaines]

idk where tf u came from but you got some of the best producer tuts on youtube

[@NavieD]

Hahah well I am happy that you finally discovered me Hatty

[@JeffRabbit]

Sometimes, I like to layer Bass Guitar with 808's, and switch them out at different parts of the track.

[@NavieD]

Yeah that's a super juicy technique. Can make for some real dense low end

[@flapjackmack8778]

ITS TUESDAY 🙌

[@NavieD]

🏍 time to race towards my video

[@txddyfarquh3916]

Just curious if you embed _#ISRC_ in your Music and if you could demonstrate how it can be done in *FL Studio* , cheers

[@Zenonbuster]

What if you just layered the acoustic bass with the 808? Like maybe the 808 could act as a sub bass and the acoustic one could be the high end. Could use an eq or filter to separate the frequencies. Then sidechain that kick to the grouped bass, and boom

[@NavieD]

Yeah, that would be a cool technique, to only have the 808 play on certain lower notes. I just want to show people other types of basses that they could use.

[@brenmac]

Yep🙌

[@jmizzbeatsj-jigga7888]

I agree but You can also hit the cut itself or adjust the parameter or side ⛓ depends on what type of 808 just gotta do it right be patient alot of dudesbjust wanna press button and thats it

[@chaunceyharris5993]

Navie could you please do a video on how to sample songs that are not in 4/4 time into a 4/4 beat

[@jasong5696]

Made mellodic drill beat cnt find 808 to compliment it or my psterns just shit lol if the sampels key is in e minor how do keep my pattern in key im confused as root note is c5 but key us in e sorry if I sound thick lol but i just started

[@MACHETE912]

Good video! I often take difficult melody loops with a lot of instruments and notes and try to add 808 to it, aaaand it's sounds awful and take many time to make it better (find another 808 sample, pitch, select notes etc.) Maybe these are the cases when 808s are not required

[@jasong5696]

Same made mellodic drill beat witch for me as im just starting sounds pretty good other than not being mixed properly cuz dont really no how lol but evry 808 ive tryd is ruining the beat ffs

[@lexbeats13]

Maybe there was a video on this, but i've missed it apparently: How do you make all your loops to sound so ''drowned'' if you know what i'm saying? It's like all your loops have that feel to it that they are under water.

[@kallmehu1598]

Not really the respomse you lookin for but look for videos on how to cut the sample rate of a sample

[@Tarankan]

reverb helps

[@rosemoonaqua]

Try playing around with Gross Beat

[@lexbeats13]

Thank you guys! I was sure there was some kind of love philter to all of that.

[@rosemoonaqua]

@@lexbeats13 Also try Chorus and Phaser they can give somewhat to that effect forgot to add that in my og comment

[@kage-fm]

lots of fire toilet analogies up in this channel

[@NavieD]

I am obsessed with toilets