STORY Trailer LORE Breakdown | Shadow of the Erdtree

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SmoughTown

SmoughTown

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Elden Ring's DLC Shadow of The Erdtree released a 'Story Trailer'; a beautiful cinematic that laid the foundations for the new story.
In this video we will be doing an in depth Lore Breakdown and analysis of the story elements within this trailer. We will discuss Marika, Messmer, Miquella and the Lands of Shadow and try to predict the story beats of the up coming DLC and how it relates to Elden Ring's existing story.
Intro: 0:00
The Beginning: 0:57
Gold & Shadow: 8:40
Omen & The Crucible: 16:35
Tyranny of Messmer: 23:03
What About Eyes?: 34:19
Miquella & Narrator: 38:41
From the Bandai Namco Website: Guided by Miquella, players embark on a new adventure into the Land of Shadow, a world full of dark secrets hidden behind the prosperity of the Golden Order brought upon by Marika.
Editor: Creators Studio - creatorsstudio.co.uk/
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REFERENCES
SmoughTown - Gameplay Trailer Lore Analysis: • LORE Breakdown | Shado...
Famitsu interview with Miyazaki: www.famitsu.com/news/202402/2...
Quelaag Tweet on St Trina Flowers: / 1760325201374720334
Dylan Tweet on Marika Statue: x.com/Oby_LFC6/status/1760384...
Azael Tweet re Omen: / 1760411394636169329
IGN Interview with Miyazaki: in.ign.com/elden-ring-shadow-...
Zlofsky2nd's Tweet: x.com/Zlofsky2nd/status/17931...
ManusCeles' Tweet: x.com/ManusCeles/status/17929...
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@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for checking out my Trailer breakdown video Let me know your thoughts below.
@TheMagnitude
@TheMagnitude 29 күн бұрын
This is the video I was waiting for, can’t wait to hear your thoughts!!
@GuardianM25
@GuardianM25 29 күн бұрын
Great video, though i have a wild idea for you - Marika is the gloam-eyed queen, before she became a God she made a plot to seduce and slay them, having at least one child (mesmer) before taking their place. She gained godhood and golden eyes, made the illusionary erdtree and cast the real great tree into shadow, taking the power of the crucible to feed the erdtree (and the elden beast)
@Ivan-iz9hs
@Ivan-iz9hs 29 күн бұрын
ur theory slaps
@CDio-vr3bx
@CDio-vr3bx 29 күн бұрын
What if the affair and betrayal has sonething to do with the Numen. Perhaps at some point Marika sacrificed a lot of the numen which is why we can only see their runes and descendents
@VVabsa
@VVabsa 29 күн бұрын
Ok, I just went a few seconds in the vid but going off the previous DLC video. Could Mesmer be a child of Marika and Godfrey? Morgot and Mogh also begin with a M and both have something wrong with their blood. Perhaps Mesmer was the lucky one not to be born an Omen?
@MelancholicAwesomnes
@MelancholicAwesomnes 29 күн бұрын
I really love that there are people who can make a 45 min video from a 3 minute trailer. I really love this community!
@jorge2060shake
@jorge2060shake 29 күн бұрын
The lore is just that deep. One of the reasons fromsoftware games are great!
@dawson3776
@dawson3776 29 күн бұрын
A 3 minute trailer with a lot packed in it. The trailer shows but never tells. Yes there's narration, but it's clear its suppose to supplement what's shown and not just telling you what's going on.
@Thiccron
@Thiccron 29 күн бұрын
Came here to say this Thats why i love this channel
@jamesrevere2992
@jamesrevere2992 29 күн бұрын
@@dawson3776what trailer has ever outright ”told” you whats going on?
@MelancholicAwesomnes
@MelancholicAwesomnes 29 күн бұрын
@@dawson3776 This wasn't a criticism, if you take it that way. I plan on watching Sinclaire Lore, Last Protagnosit, Crunchy, Ratatsokr, Tarnished Archaelogost and Queelag when she gets her channel back. I love the ER lore community especially because it's not centered on one big person
@martonszentkiralyi2251
@martonszentkiralyi2251 29 күн бұрын
I know its easy to say now, but once you figure out minor erdtrees are watered by blood and corpses, Miquella watered the Haligtree with his own blood, it becomes very clear these trees need flesh and blood to thrive. These trees once looked pretty to me, now they come off as monstrous abominations
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
agreed - seemingly increasingly that this is the case
@Travar1410
@Travar1410 29 күн бұрын
Also, our erdtree looks like a projection to me. Like it's not there. Take away the gold tint and it doesn't look like bark. It looks white like a ghost (until you go inside of it to fight radagon, then you can see bark on the walls) . So many weird things going on. But instantly after radagon, your in a place where your now in 4 or 5 inches of water, and "former? Erdtrees" all around.
@germanstormtrooper2298
@germanstormtrooper2298 29 күн бұрын
​@@Travar1410becouse it really isnt there go to the Cliffs after stormveil castle and look at the Erdtree it looks like a ghost you can see through it
@KNIGHTMAREMANIAC
@KNIGHTMAREMANIAC 29 күн бұрын
The burial rituals of the gold order make a lot more sense now. That being said I don't think they're "abominations" anymore than Merika creating children with herself is.
@ALaz502
@ALaz502 29 күн бұрын
​@@germanstormtrooper2298thats a graphic glitch. Zullie covered it.
@titaniumteddybear
@titaniumteddybear 29 күн бұрын
It's actually not the Dragon Dance it's the Lion Dance. The Lion Dance uses 2 people. The Dragon Dance uses any number of people from 3 upwards. Given how the number 2 is so important in the lore this choice to make it the Lion Dance feels deliberate.
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Great detail! Cheers!
@tarleya
@tarleya 29 күн бұрын
After your theory then it is a dragon dancer...mimicking the lion. After they lost in battle to Messmer, all 3 of the dancers were impaled on Messmers lances, cloaks still attached. They were placed in the middle of the to mock the downfall of the old culture/religion.
@erebus3383
@erebus3383 29 күн бұрын
Alright idiot, if the number 2 is so important then name 10 examples of the number 2 in elden ring.
@octopusoup
@octopusoup 29 күн бұрын
Good to see someone clarify this here. The Lion Dance and Dragon Dance are entirely separate and distinct from each other. They're both festive in nature, but the Lion Dance is often acrobatic in with the dancers entirely enshrouded to obscure the human aspect. The Dragon Dance has the dancers exposed, carrying a long dragon puppet on long poles imitating the movement of a serpent weaving through the air.
@CarelessVagabond
@CarelessVagabond 29 күн бұрын
I appreciate you, my boy! Cheers!
@darrenfields7361
@darrenfields7361 29 күн бұрын
You know Marika wiping out a omen worshiping society and then having her first two children Morgot and Mohg born as omens sounds like a connection
@varsoonhks3211
@varsoonhks3211 29 күн бұрын
It's almost like she's cursed by her conquests or something Like if she were to become a guy called Radagon, she might even have red hair because of her genocide of the giants
@thecosmicnewtofsol91
@thecosmicnewtofsol91 29 күн бұрын
Definitely a bad omen you could say
@gogauze
@gogauze 28 күн бұрын
It really does sound like she was cursed by the vestiges of each group she murdered en masse.
@elididde3377
@elididde3377 28 күн бұрын
Since messmer seems to be the child of radagon and marika, he would either have been her first child, or the omen twins would have been born before the war in the land of shadow
@QuestionableObject
@QuestionableObject 28 күн бұрын
@@elididde3377 My theory is that Mesmer is her first child (of the ones we know of so far) who became a demigod after-the-fact like how Radagon's children were allevated to that status when he returned to Marika, his father is probably someone from this crucible society possibly someone connected to the fire giants and to serpents, though his serpent appendages could be a result of the crucible's influence on the land before Marika usurped it. The crucible still existed after the purge in the shadowed lands as the crucible knights still worshipped it and Godfrey's armies drew upon its power. It could even be that the erdtree's shadow is the remains of the great tree that was felled and then became the crucible from which the erdtree was nurtured. Hell a real curveball could be that Mesmer is *adopted* but still has the title, status and power of demi-godhood just cause being adopted is totally cool and valid lmao. He could have been an outcast because of his powers over fire and the threat that posed to the great tree only to be comforted, cared for and gaslit into Marika's perfect little arsonist. That would explain the sheer merciless cruelty he inflicts on the inhabitants of this city.
@lahawnduh
@lahawnduh 29 күн бұрын
Seeing Marika between those mounds of corpses evoked such an unsettling but thrilling feeling
@OldHunterCassie
@OldHunterCassie 29 күн бұрын
Omg it gave me ptsd 😂 especially her walking across the fleshy ground
@iboofer
@iboofer 29 күн бұрын
@@OldHunterCassie Really makes you understand why she cared so little about her kids. Death was already passe to her thousands of years ago. What's a few more corpses added to the pile?
@reign1594
@reign1594 29 күн бұрын
She likely sent them to or expected their deaths. She knew they would fight post shattering, and the knight of the black knives was likely planned by her. It's impossible that she cared about Godwyn enough to destroy the elden ring in a fit of rage over his death. The rage is likely directed at the fact that it was him who was killed. ​We see a Black Knife Assassin outside of marikas bedchamber, we know she wanted out of the golden order. We know he wished for both her and radagon to be shattered together. Perhaps, just maybe, she was intented to die that night. This is backed up a little by Ranni also having some association with the assassins. @iboofer
@reign1594
@reign1594 29 күн бұрын
Perhaps she was blasphemous all along? Her bracelet looks like a snake and she emerges from an entirely red room with the grace of gold in her hand. Red is the colour of blasphemy, her son is closely associated with flame, snakes, dragons. All things that oppose the erdtree. This makes sense if you believe that this part of the story is inspired by Christianity. Queen Marika(Eve), was led astray(possibly by her own ADAM). ​@@iboofer
@sethd.8381
@sethd.8381 29 күн бұрын
Reminded me of my ex.
@Dbonesburneraccount
@Dbonesburneraccount 29 күн бұрын
Idk who they get to make these cinematic trailers but their team really deserves an award because this looks like a sequel announcement😭
@iboofer
@iboofer 29 күн бұрын
As Vendrick once said: "....and the brighter the flame, the deeper the shadow."
@andrewbowen2837
@andrewbowen2837 29 күн бұрын
Dark Souls 2 2
@jxdinglol
@jxdinglol 3 күн бұрын
Kendrick: "The blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice." Vendrick: "The brighter the flame, the deeper the shadow."
@iboofer
@iboofer 3 күн бұрын
@@jxdinglol Guess now we know why he married a Child of Dark. 😏
@jxdinglol
@jxdinglol 3 күн бұрын
@@iboofer they just different dawg 🥴
@Idea_of_Lustre
@Idea_of_Lustre 29 күн бұрын
The white-robed 'Miquellan Knight' got her own concept image on Twitter just an hour ago, with the flavor text "Will you walk with us?" So she is almost certainly the narrator, and has celestial fashion to boot.
@alanthe2
@alanthe2 29 күн бұрын
That art work is incredible as well. I think it’s wheat embroidered into her cloak but for a moment I thought it was centipedes!
@magicalhermitcrab5912
@magicalhermitcrab5912 29 күн бұрын
This "us" combined with the group shot at the end of the trailer makes me think she's leading this badass fellowship. I almost want a second hub to contrast Roundtable Hold where they're all assembled, but they'll probably be scattered throughout the DLC. Either way, I REALLY want her armor.
@UpInUrSheet
@UpInUrSheet 29 күн бұрын
​​@@magicalhermitcrab5912They are Miquella's version of Band of the Hawk 😉
@fall5923
@fall5923 29 күн бұрын
New maiden 😂
@depalodor
@depalodor 28 күн бұрын
@@UpInUrSheet I wouldn't recommend you to get too high off your own supply of Miquella = Griffith theory here. Just because they are a group of people doesn't mean that they are THAT group of people.
@itzamedio5427
@itzamedio5427 29 күн бұрын
TOGETHA we shall devour this very trailerrrhhhhggnn...
@odinsbs9469
@odinsbs9469 29 күн бұрын
Familyyyyyyyyyy
@lakshgarg8858
@lakshgarg8858 27 күн бұрын
​@@odinsbs9469 uhmmm verrry welllll
@Ian.420
@Ian.420 22 күн бұрын
NNNNMMMMMMMMMNNNGGMGYUHGMMMM VERRYYY WELLLL
@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64
@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 29 күн бұрын
Miquella would rather water the Haligtree with his own blood instead of sacrificing countless lives and people *still* think he’s Griffith. He doesn’t even have his body or “terrifying” powers anymore but that hasn’t stopped people from yapping on about how he’s the true villain of the game. I’m convinced that Miquella could start a soup kitchen, run an orphanage, and donate all his runes to help save endangered turtles and he’d still be accused of being a ruthless manipulator, because Marika forbid that not everything in the game be a Berserk reference.
@ripvanwinkle3432
@ripvanwinkle3432 29 күн бұрын
We don't know anything about Miquella. Every demigod has tried to kill us though. Only a few weeks and we'll see what happens
@vsGoliath96
@vsGoliath96 29 күн бұрын
Not everything is a Berserk reference? What is this heresy!
@SevoraLF
@SevoraLF 29 күн бұрын
This will be an interesting comment to come back to in a month
@anonfinally1692
@anonfinally1692 29 күн бұрын
Oh no Miquella has charmed you
@ellisvan
@ellisvan 29 күн бұрын
Miquella's Soup Kitchen, in partnership with Boggart's Prawnshop?
@origav
@origav 29 күн бұрын
Loved the analysis! I wonder if that was the reason that Godwyn's death drove Merika to the brink. The Erdtree requires constant sacrifice and once it was possible to "live in death" instead of returning to the Erdtree then there weren't enough bodies to sacrifice to maintain Merika's power. So she shatters the ring, drives the demigods to a constant state of war with a stalemate and her order can be preserved. That's why Gideon says that we are meant to keep fighting, because the death is what powers the order
@one_eyeddd473
@one_eyeddd473 29 күн бұрын
Oh wow
@FSVR54
@FSVR54 28 күн бұрын
Thousands of people who way overanalyze everything and some random dude on youtube drops probably the best explanation for Elden Ring in a succinct paragraph
@fourdayz1414
@fourdayz1414 28 күн бұрын
Dude you can’t just come out here and give us the answers that’s cheating Now I’m wondering, what does this mean for the Erdtree when you choose the Age of Dusk ending. Does the tree turn grey because it’s being starved?
@baldheimlich
@baldheimlich 27 күн бұрын
"onto eternity" - Gideon Ofnir
@Kinnan011
@Kinnan011 29 күн бұрын
Is it just me or did anyone else first think that the "pillars" of people she's standing between and that opening look like it's the shape of the opening at the base of the erdtree. My immediate thought was that she's inside the erdtree. Similar to how the inside of the tree when we fight her is much more spacious and even has a skybox, we see two distinctive skys.
@diamondarmy5546
@diamondarmy5546 26 күн бұрын
My exact thoughts
@user-cs9sy6zc2i
@user-cs9sy6zc2i 29 күн бұрын
An omen purge in history would make the treatment of omen under the Golden Order make sense. Also- Omen births could trigger a fear of sacrificed omens being reborn out of the tree, which may diminish its power or perhaps some might retain memories of their previous sacrifice. Marika would want to nip that in the bud.
@varsoonhks3211
@varsoonhks3211 29 күн бұрын
Remembrances are hewn into the tree.
@blastfiendsunite420
@blastfiendsunite420 29 күн бұрын
Nice pun
@Chrisbun1
@Chrisbun1 29 күн бұрын
You mention the 'candle stick'-like coat of arms. There's a Candle shield, with the quote "Thought to represent a surreptitious prophecy of cardinal sin, the lit candle-tree design was forbidden."
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Great spot!
@rebar4846
@rebar4846 29 күн бұрын
In my opinion it is pretty clear, that there's a huge fucking part of the land missing from the Lands Between. Just look at the middle of the map that's now filled with water. Look at the cliffs of Liurnia and Altus, the way so many structures crumble into the sea, including Leyndell. Consider the fact that there's a huge waterfall next to the tower where you awaken Malenia's rune. The water falls into the ocean. When I first saw the map of the world before the game came out, it seemed to me like something huge hit the Lands Between and made a gigantic crater in the middle. I feel like that's the spot where the Land of the Shadow used to reside. The city there, destroyed by Messmer IS Leyndell. Or rather the part of it that's now gone from the Lands Between.
@toddbrimstone
@toddbrimstone 29 күн бұрын
The duality.... does Marika only give birth to twins, one golden and one shadow? Morgott and Mohg, Miquella and Melania, Godwyn and... Messmer..?
@FaeQueenCory
@FaeQueenCory 29 күн бұрын
The lion dancer having a face that is the same as Sarosh, including his crown... I think the lion dancers, especially with the lightning and deathroot vomit, makes me certain that this genocided people were the people of Sarosh and ultimately the main kingdom of the Gloameyed Queen and Placidusax.
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Yeh amazing observation!
@iboofer
@iboofer 29 күн бұрын
I think a stronger case is the similarity between the lion dancers and the lion omen we see in the base game. Their horns are mostly stumps, like they've been cut off, but they are probably the inspiration for the lion dancers. It seems more likely to me that Serosh was king/lord of the Beastmen, probably defeated in combat by Godfrey but taken on as a sort of vassal and behavior check for the latter's bloodlust.
@Gatchu137
@Gatchu137 29 күн бұрын
​@@iboofer I agree, it does expressly call Serosh a "lord of beasts," and the lion guardians are always found in either Stormveil or the fortresses, which would have been structures built during Hoarah Loux's original rule before Marika. It makes the most sense that Serosh ruled over the lion guardians, before being conquered. However, Hoarah Loux's culture DID see omens as a blessing, and would have had ties to the lions. I think the lion dancers probably relate to the civilization that Hoarah Loux ruled over, before Marika overthrew it.
@dalytennis
@dalytennis 2 күн бұрын
I hate to break it to you, but Sarosh looks significantly different to the lion dancer. There are hardly any similarities other than the name Lion. The lion dancer hardly looks like a lion as well which is odd
@dalytennis
@dalytennis 2 күн бұрын
Sarosh's crown is also made of some sort of metal as well, and looks nothing like the lion dancer's "crown". Lion dancer's is made of horns.
@PowerYoutuberViewer
@PowerYoutuberViewer 29 күн бұрын
Something I haven’t seen mentioned about Mesmer’s design is that the twin snakes coming from his shoulder’s parallel Zahhak, a Tyrant conqueror from the Shahnameh, the national epic of Persia. In Zoroastrian mythology Zahhak is sometimes depicted as having draconic features or just a dragon. I think this definitely lends credence to the dragon communion theories and could open up a lot of possibilities for speculation about the nature of his flames considering fire is typically sacred in Zoroastrianism.
@Cynthia_5479
@Cynthia_5479 29 күн бұрын
I think the corpse she pulls the fabric from is the gloam eyed queen. It could be the strands that the gloam eyed queen would use to weave the godskin swaddling clothes, giving them the power of birth. This is probably what she used in some kind of infusion/ritual to give the Erdtree the power to rebirth life anew. So basically she is stealing the power of birth from the corpse. Also I believe the gloam eyed queen was the God to Placidusax and the dragons. It would give some explanation of why her sword is in the bottom of the tower in dragons borrow in Calid
@jamiecrofts6823
@jamiecrofts6823 29 күн бұрын
Melina is likely the gloam-eyed queen. She literally has a gloam eye in the frenzy ending. So I don't buy it, personally.
@Bitch_senpai
@Bitch_senpai 29 күн бұрын
And she promises destined death​@@jamiecrofts6823
@theredknight9314
@theredknight9314 29 күн бұрын
I dont think this is possible because maliketh defeats the GEQ.
@DuelistRL
@DuelistRL 29 күн бұрын
Could be. I highly doubt we'll see much reference to the GEQ in the dlc. It is basically implied that Melina is her and I don't think Melina will feature much if at all in the dlc. Don't get me wrong though I would love some more of that mystery to be revealed is its my favorite shit.
@PatrickMcHugh51
@PatrickMcHugh51 29 күн бұрын
​@@jamiecrofts6823 dragons can take human form to interact with their human worshippers.
@chrispysaid
@chrispysaid 29 күн бұрын
It's literally called the Lands Between, and we see the "gateway" into this golden land BETWEEN the two pillars of corpses
@jogglenoggle9579
@jogglenoggle9579 29 күн бұрын
What if the 'gods' referred to with the godskins were the numen. If they are seldom born and long lived they certainly would seem godlike to lesser beings. They hunted and skinned them WITH Marika who wanted to use the corpses to gestate her tree. As their end of the deal, they could keep the skins. However, maybe at the last moment Marika betrays the Gloam Eyed Queen, her fellow empyreon, not wanting any competition for her fledgling order - hence the betrayal mentioned at the start of the trailer (of both/either the GEQ or Numen). This would also explain why presumably once-Numen cities are now entirely populated by Nox instead.
@felipefortaleza8280
@felipefortaleza8280 29 күн бұрын
But the Nox are just descendants of Numens
@jamiecrofts6823
@jamiecrofts6823 29 күн бұрын
Nah
@jeambeam3173
@jeambeam3173 29 күн бұрын
Those species aren't gods. Likely the gods the Godskins have killed atleast in the Lands Between not Shadow are the Ancestors of Godrick the Grafted
@Travar1410
@Travar1410 29 күн бұрын
I think the "betrayal", is just that woman had a relationship, and then betrayed her companion. For her own selfish reasons.
@AesirUnlimited
@AesirUnlimited 29 күн бұрын
Numen are based on the Númenórean’s from Lord of the Rings. They were long lived, tall, and stronger than normal humans. Yet they were still mortal, and fell to the corruption that comes from a desire to become gods. I doubt George R.R Martin named the Numen after them just because he liked the name. They’re definitely supposed to be similar in terms of their mortal nature being at odds with their desire to ascend to divinity. That may explain what Marika did in the shadowlands. The war may have been what would’ve happened in LOTR if the Númenórean’s were never stopped by Eru Illuvatar from invading Valinor to become gods.
@DavidKalinex
@DavidKalinex 29 күн бұрын
The comprehensive analysis I was expecting, no crazy stuff, just straight up in-game references. Thank you!
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Thanks David! Pleased you enjoyed!
@kbomnirow6143
@kbomnirow6143 29 күн бұрын
Blood sacrifices makes sense, especially when you think about Miquella essentially doing the same. Sacrificing himself for the haligtree rather than his people sacrificing themselves. It’s as if these sacred trees are parasites
@vaclavsoukup7302
@vaclavsoukup7302 27 күн бұрын
Could also be a reference to a relatively unknown piece of lore from ASOIAF: weirwoods, magical white trees with blood-red leaves, were once worshipped by people leaving human intestines wrapped in their boughs.
@alienengine107harrison7
@alienengine107harrison7 27 күн бұрын
Imagine how much nutrients a tree of that size would require to stay alive. There is no way that thing is sustained on regular soil alone.
@teekay851
@teekay851 23 күн бұрын
@@alienengine107harrison7 ..its a magical kingdom
@Henbot
@Henbot 23 күн бұрын
Well the blood sacrifice thing is literally in ASOIAF which was also written by GRRM but the other interesting things is that if it is blood fuel then no wonder the Haligtree didn’t grow because Miquella blood was cursed with eternal youth
@kbomnirow6143
@kbomnirow6143 23 күн бұрын
@@Henbot Oh wow, I didn’t think about that. The tree is missing leaves right?
@matheussantos9367
@matheussantos9367 29 күн бұрын
The Shadow Land society being an Oman/Crucible society makes so much sense, not only due to what was shown so far, but also looking at how modern Erdtree society treats Omen creatures, as cursed, dropped in sewers and such. Definitely seems like Marika and the Golden Order want to "erase" the omen and crucible from existance, very likely due to them being a reminder of what Marika did to become a God.
@HeraldingHistorian
@HeraldingHistorian 29 күн бұрын
I’m wondering if the Land of Shadow is like the primordial place in this world, like whole realm is the Crucible. Everything gains power from this place, even Marika with the creation of the Erdtree, she just choose to bask it in shadow and shun its creatures, the omen and misbegotten.
@TheHi-NoteFunClub-BeatsByMike
@TheHi-NoteFunClub-BeatsByMike 29 күн бұрын
The ultimate spoiler regarding the name of the "Wicker Man" enemies would be "Fire Giants". Just spit balling.
@zach5754
@zach5754 29 күн бұрын
The way Mesmer summons his weapons reminds me a lot of Hela, the Norse goddess of death from Thor Ragnarok. In Norse mythology, Odin exiled Hel to Niflheim and gave her power over the souls of the deceased who travel the road of the dead. Kinda interesting.
@Lila_S.
@Lila_S. 29 күн бұрын
Your lore videos are so comprehensive and detailed and in my honest opinion, currently unmatched. One thing I noticed and actually had to go back to look is that Messmer's face (kind of pointed nose) is very similar to Godwyn's- as much as we see it- when narrator, Ranni, is talking about the night of Black Knives (him lying with the Cursemark of Death carved in his back). So, it made me think that perhaps there was another set of twins, that perhaps the birth of Gold and Shadow is maybe more literal than we thought...
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Thank you so much - really appreciate the support. Great observation re Godwyn - defo would line up more closely timelinewise; as it seems Messmer must have been one of Marika's earliest children.
@Lila_S.
@Lila_S. 29 күн бұрын
@@SmoughTown Yes, and the First Church of Marika is established in the Mountaintops of the Giants. To be honest, when I first saw the opening gory scene with Marika, I thought that weird flesh cavity she puts her arm in was actually the Fell God on Giant's chest because that thing disturbed me just about the same as the opening of this trailer. It's crazy, but who knows? She's slain a deity there and perhaps the seduction and the betrayal were part of it.. It would explain Messmer's red hair. Obviously, I can't stop thinking about this trailer and its implications. :D
@lebronjames06rules
@lebronjames06rules 29 күн бұрын
Great theory but I have a somewhat convincing rebuttal. The other twins have names that start with the same letter, so I doubt Godwin & Messmer are twins. Besides, Messmer being the son of Godfrey seems weird to me in a way I can’t reconcile lol. But, as I write this, I was thinking about the impaled giants in the Mountaintops. Obviously those are the same spears from the story trailer that Messmer uses to impale the Lion Dancers. And who else do we know led that was pivotal in war against the giants? Godfrey.
@_please_dont_
@_please_dont_ 28 күн бұрын
Godwyn also is more golden whereas Mesmer is radagons red, twins but different paternaties, same womb same time
@gunnarschlichting9886
@gunnarschlichting9886 28 күн бұрын
@@lebronjames06rules I've seen a theory that Messmer is a child of Radagon and the Gloam-Eyed Queen, thereby explaining both hi red hair/name (Radagon) and his fire powers (GEQ connection with Destined Death). We already know Marika has used this strategy once (Radagon and Rennala).
@stellataylor7436
@stellataylor7436 29 күн бұрын
The bloody location with the bodies at the beginning makes me think about Rykard. Sorta like how he has those hands emerging from his sword and his… self
@Varre922
@Varre922 29 күн бұрын
When I hear the words "seduction, betrayal, affair." I don't think it necessarily a s**ual affair like many in the community are currently thinking but refers to more so a general political scandal or treason. In fact when I hear those words, I immediately think that Marika ate from the tree of knowledge, that is she committed original sin (The Elden Ring version of it). What Marika original sin is? I don't know really, but I wager Marika wasn't ever meant to be the God Queen of the World. You see, I highly doubt that Messmer is actually on the side of Marika or the very least isn't anymore by the time we play the DLC. This is simply due to the fact that many of the things he's associated are considered treacherous or blasphemous (Snakes, fire, etc) and also the fact that he's completely erased from history? The idea that it's because Marika didn't want people to know about the purge of the crucible people doesn't really make much sense when you realize that she seemingly had no qualms with showcasing her brutal massacre of the fire giants. Why was this any different? As for the Lands of Shadow being disconnected, I think that means it's literally disconnected from the Lands Between, that is it would exist along side Limgrave, Caelid, Altus, etc if it weren't for Marika. I also think this means the Crucible city we see isn't necessarily an inversion of Leyndell but more a city that existed alongside it like the Eternal Cities at some point. I would also like to point out that when the shot of the Shadow Tree during Messmer war is shown, there doesn't seem to be a veil like we see in the next shots of the Shadow Tree/all the promotional material, only the rays of light coming from the tree itself. Meaning that the Land of Shadow could have been still very much apart of the Lands Between at this point in the timeline. So to my final hypothesis Messmer existed at one point in the lands between, and participated in the purge of the Fire Giants. I believe this to be the case for several reasons. In the gameplay trailer, we can clearly see Fire Giants in the Wicker Man which means that they must have existed during the war against the Fire Giants. This would also support my idea of the Lands of Shadow once being a functioning part of the Lands Between alongside the other regions as how and why would Marika transport Giant heads to somewhere that she veiled away. Also the the Fire Giants are impaled in a manner very similar to how we see the crucible people impaled. In addition, Messmer having red hair could be punishment from the Fire Giants similar to Radagon (At least to my understanding). All of this is to say that Messmer was very much apart of the Lands Between at some point, and probably fought along side Godfrey, and Marika in their wars to establish the Golden Order. However I think when Messmer learned of Marika "Original sin.", he was so disgusted and ashamed of her that he betrayed her. Messmer was likely raised to believe that the Golden Order was fine and dandy and all who opposed it were evil and needed to be culled. Then when he learned of the Sin that birth the order, he basically had a crisis of faith and that complied with the fact that he likely committed many atrocities in the name of the Order, it would be completely understandable why he betrayed the order. Now this is obviously speculation, based on limited information and my own deductive reasoning. I'll probably get proven wrong when the DLC comes out in a mouth but this is my personal interpretation of what's going on in these trailers.
@Travar1410
@Travar1410 29 күн бұрын
Much love! I as well think, just because they are saying it's "disconnected" from the main land, doesn't mean anything to me, except just that. It's physically not attached.. like islands aren't in real life. Another place "disconnected" from the lands between is farum azula. It's literally disconnected from the lands between, but also occupying the same universe. You can even physically see farum azula from afar, after you discover it.
@been_rly_n2_paragliding_lately
@been_rly_n2_paragliding_lately 29 күн бұрын
It's not necessarily the crucible massacre itself that Marika wants to hide. She doesn't want to reveal the truth about the origins of the erdtree and the fact that her order was (and still is) built on a lie.
@Varre922
@Varre922 29 күн бұрын
@@been_rly_n2_paragliding_lately Marika probably wasn't worried about that initially, otherwise she would have immediately veiled the Land of Shadow as soon as she ascended (Which she almost certainly didn't given the fact the fire giants in the Wickermen golems) Messmer betraying her probably is what caused her to freak out and she basically made the Land of Shadows a prison for Messmer.
@alexcollins71090
@alexcollins71090 29 күн бұрын
Thank you for your perspective, especially about Messmer's red hair!! It was bothering me haha but makes a bit more sense now thanks to you. Hopefully we'll get more answers in the DLC.
@FearedFire
@FearedFire 29 күн бұрын
I love that elden John is the preferred name of the tree beard guy. Thank you quelaag!!
@RossAshmore
@RossAshmore 29 күн бұрын
40 minutes?! You got some sleep to catch up on Geoff😂
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Hahaha you know me well Ross - don't worry, will be taking it easy over the weekend. As always appreciate your support bud
@Ozoluz
@Ozoluz 29 күн бұрын
My first thought with the visual of Marika making the Erdtree was how it reminded me of Rykard's Blasphemous Blade, then with Mesmer having a snake and your comments on his snaking flame it has me curious if theres something more with Messmer, Marika and Rykard. Or if i've forgotten too much lore.
@freshhands9461
@freshhands9461 29 күн бұрын
Marika seduced the Snake God and bore Messmer to him. Or it seduced her, or both. Later, they had some falling out, and now the Snake is considered a traitor.
@ArchPro96
@ArchPro96 29 күн бұрын
I want to point out what it seems a lot of people are missing. Marika is shown pulling the gold thread from a single body yes, but then when she holds the gold thread above her, we can trace multiple threads to multiple different bodies on the walls beside her. So I am pretty confident, she is not pulling from just one person/body, but from many, then connecting them. Similar to the ending of Loki s2, how he holds multiple threads together to create a new world/time.
@DozleZabi
@DozleZabi 29 күн бұрын
Maybe what we thought about the timeline is all wrong? And the godskin apostasy happened prior to Marika becoming a God? We know the gloam eyed queen was an empyrean, maybe she and Marika fought to become the new God and Marika won? Maybe she felt bad about this and created Melina after the fact
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
100% possible - defo was worth a mention
@titaniumteddybear
@titaniumteddybear 29 күн бұрын
If anyone is confused about the difference between Dragon Cult and Communion it's actually simple. The Dragon Cult worshipped dragons; like a cult. The Dragon Communion ate dragon hearts; like communion wafers.
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
yummy
@patriciapandacoon7162
@patriciapandacoon7162 29 күн бұрын
another way of looking at it is that the Dragon Cult idolizes the dragons and those who partake in Communion envy them. One appreciates at a distance and the other wishes to absorb.
@Pelagion98
@Pelagion98 29 күн бұрын
One think that should be considered is this trailer's chronological place. The video makes it seem as if both the war and the scenes with Marika happen at the same time. But given that Messmer has red hair, and his name starts with an M, he should be the son of Radagon and Marika. He does look somewhat strange and deformed, so what if his appearance is the product of another dysgenic curse? What if the slaughter we see is a more recent event in which Messmer was sent to the Shadowlands to crack down on whatever was happening down there?
@Dioptase26
@Dioptase26 29 күн бұрын
This trailer made Leyndell attacking volcano manor make so much more sense, Rykard was mimicking the and possibly mocking the ritual Marika used to separate the lands
@hhowdy
@hhowdy 29 күн бұрын
28 days left or 5 weeks left, we’re so close. Almost there!
@yeahkeen2905
@yeahkeen2905 29 күн бұрын
28 days is 4 weeks not 5
@hhowdy
@hhowdy 29 күн бұрын
@@yeahkeen2905 We’re still in this week so I’m counting it as 5 but yeah technically 4
@danguinius3654
@danguinius3654 29 күн бұрын
*AUGH!!* ...Sorry, just never heard that in weeks before.
@kasp7674
@kasp7674 29 күн бұрын
At the five minute mark. Considering that we have no evidence of the godskins killing any gods during Marika's age, I think we can safely assume, that the godhunts happened prior to Marika becoming a God. Maybe there were plenty of gods prior to the Erdtree. Also the Gloam Eyed Queen has the moniker "Godslayer", which suggests she did kill gods.
@osaasd8018
@osaasd8018 29 күн бұрын
The whole shadow realm and shadow war concepts remind me of this particular quote from Warhammer 40k, where the Emperor of Mankind explains the reason for the Dark Angels legion existence to the Primarch (leader) Lion El'Johnson of the Dark Angels, when the Primarch in question asks why the other legions are sent out to unify and conquer, and his is only sent to utterly destroy: " The Emperor considered long, as He often did, before giving an answer. 'In the time of the Aegypta there was an empress named Hatshepsut. By all accounts of her that survive she was an equitable and proficient ruler, by the standards of her time. She rebuilt her land in the wake of war and occupation, erecting great monuments and bringing prosperity to her people. She reassembled the Aegypta's navy, using it to re-establish their old empire, and launched military campaigns against the nations who had once been their oppressors.' ’A legacy whose parallels are not hard to see,' said the Lion. 'And yet those who came after her did all within their power to ensure that she would have no legacy. Her name was chiselled from every monument, her every deed and triumph stricken from public record. Even her body was removed from its royal tomb.' 'Why, if her reign was so equitable?' 'Because those who succeeded her desired it. Because sometimes what comes before is too troublesome to be paved over in rockcrete, to amend with a monument to compliance or a golden aquila on an Imperial flag. Sometimes it is enough only that it be destroyed, that no trace of it but darkness and ash be left to endure.' ‘And yet history still remembers this empress.' ‘The Emperor Thutmose the Third did not have his Dark Angels.' " Messmer and his army seems to be Marikas Dark Angels, not the soldiers fighting the glorious battles as Godfrey and his Tarnished did, but her executioners, sent against those who need to be exterminated with extreme prejudice and deleted from the annals of history.
@1.0xY.m0r0n
@1.0xY.m0r0n 29 күн бұрын
I was waiting for you to cover this! That trailer dropped SO much info.
@titaniumteddybear
@titaniumteddybear 29 күн бұрын
Wait, you're implying that they might have blended the entire population of the Realm of Shadow into a blood smoothie from which they created (or recreated) the Elden Ring? I think that makes a lot of sense. It explains a lot of the ambiguity between the Elden Ring, the Erdtree, and the Crucible. Combine it with Tarnished Archeologists theory about the Erdtree emerging from the destroyed Great Tree, after being nursed to health by Marika, and I think we have a winner.
@fulmenmoon40
@fulmenmoon40 28 күн бұрын
Except that the elden ring comes from a star.
@dlwf11111
@dlwf11111 28 күн бұрын
@@fulmenmoon40nah the ring is like the fabric of reality, which was modified by the arrival of gold
@fulmenmoon40
@fulmenmoon40 27 күн бұрын
@@dlwf11111 Maybe I should have said, Elden Beast. Queen Marika even in shackles remains a god and the visions "vessel". Vessel of the Elden beast, Elden beast the vassal of the Greater will.
@TheClocktowerCrew
@TheClocktowerCrew 29 күн бұрын
I think its really neat how Messmer's flame incantations Also bear a striking resemblance to Rykards Rancor Hex, especially in how it snakes across the battlefield. I think it interesting how Rykard could really be like the end conclusion of a reverse ritual, where instead of a Demigod eating the Heart of a Draconic Serpent to become Messmer, the Dragon instead devours a Demigod and Togetha they form a bastard blasphemy that just should not be.
@iboofer
@iboofer 29 күн бұрын
I had assumed that Messmer led the ancient snake cult and, in his research, Rykard figured out some of what his elder brother had done and patterned himself in a similar way. Sans dragon communion, but otherwise becoming a snake cultist.
@captainlastname1932
@captainlastname1932 29 күн бұрын
I've been waiting for this video like a kid sitting outside a closed toy shop. I'll be simply giddy for the next 45 minutes. Thank you for the video Smough you're the GOAT!
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
My pleasure my friend - truly grateful for your kind support, means the world
@TuffCatDad
@TuffCatDad 29 күн бұрын
I love From's excellent use of visual metaphor. A kingdom, a godhood, built on blood and bodies. The brilliant shining purity of Gold juxtaposed against the death and destruction it took to achieve. The ripping of the new order from the womb. A purge unsung, perpetrated by snakes, Marika herself baring a snake-esque looking bracelet as she wrests power from the old dynasty. Obv Miyazaki loves his Berserk references but man he really *gets* what made Berserk's themes so good.
@noamias4897
@noamias4897 29 күн бұрын
Love the fact that you always make sure to give credit 👍 happy we’re getting more content from you with the DLC.
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Thanks my friend - super excited for the next couple of months!
@whoisj
@whoisj 29 күн бұрын
1 month before the DLC drops, I honestly believe that the corpse in the cocoon is Mesmer and not Miquella.
@Zeark
@Zeark 29 күн бұрын
Yesss I’ve been waiting for this!
@syrobe
@syrobe 29 күн бұрын
amazing video! agreed with you on a lot of parts. I like to think that the beginning shot represents the whole beginning of the DLC area, how the land of shadow came to be rather than the lands between
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Thanks dude! Yeh defo a possibility!
@timdiggity
@timdiggity 29 күн бұрын
Yes!! I’ve been eager to hear your analysis!
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Thank you tim! I shout out your video near the end!
@timdiggity
@timdiggity 29 күн бұрын
@@SmoughTown No way! Thanks so much man!
@The.Nasty.
@The.Nasty. 29 күн бұрын
Awesome, this’ll be what I listen to between my work meetings. You’re awesome Smo, thanks for keeping us entertained and informing us as best as possible.
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Really appreciate those kind words my friend - really grateful for your support
@theycallmeklee
@theycallmeklee 29 күн бұрын
Man, I love your videos. It’s such a satisfying feeling when you explain such an eye opening thing. Amazingly done as always.
@PRODJAXON
@PRODJAXON 29 күн бұрын
Been waiting on this one 🙌
@eugenialysa
@eugenialysa 29 күн бұрын
Perfect timing!! Thank you for covering this story trailer!
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Thanks so much Eugenia! Your support means the world
@ATroubledMaker
@ATroubledMaker 29 күн бұрын
Just ran across this and recognized you are the immensely talented artist behind the St. Trina concepts and work. I looked at more of your creation/development on your Twitter (after hesitantly joining to share my work and also network) and it's brilliant. The fact you also develop this in a game engine is insane to me. I do in game photo/video cinematics but have never shared it as I only started playing ER due to becoming sick and bedbound. I'm a researcher/investigator and had no idea the itch that would be scratched from this work of art and concepts from real life history and world mythos. I do hope to meet other creators. It allows me to still do something valuable and meaningful even after losing my ability to work and the parallel of themes between overcoming the impossible and persevering strongly resonated with me. It may have helped prolong my life.
@elcononamethon2157
@elcononamethon2157 29 күн бұрын
I need to be up in 6 hours for work. But my priorities are set in stone
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
hahaha - hope work goes well my friend
@Theflavordoc516
@Theflavordoc516 29 күн бұрын
I’ve been waiting for your description
@phonographzerophono8143
@phonographzerophono8143 29 күн бұрын
In regards to your commentary about the Omen feeling underdeveloped, I've had this theory that the Omen may in fact be the same as (or adjacent to) the Ancestral Followers, and the various techniques the Followers use to commune with the spirits of nature are a means of both taming/directing their horn growth and soothing the angry spirits that would otherwise torment their sleep. The budding horn item may, for example, be the Followers 'passing off' their excess horn growth onto other creatures. This would also fit with the suggestion that the Ancestral Followers are a contemporary movement -- With the Omen being treated as poorly as they are, it would make sense that some of them might grow to resent the Erdtree and start looking to the old ways for answers, and could also explain where their (seemingly reactionary) stance against the usage of metals originates from, if Marika effectively committed mass slaughter (if not outright genocide) to create gold.
@mr.ashenfire2624
@mr.ashenfire2624 29 күн бұрын
Your videos continue to smolder with the Flame of Ambition.
@KyleB_95
@KyleB_95 29 күн бұрын
Dang you're quick Smough! What a great video!
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Thanks Kyle! Hope you enjoy it
@IOSALive
@IOSALive 29 күн бұрын
SmoughTown, This is great! I liked it and subscribed!
@_.alex.-
@_.alex.- 20 күн бұрын
I wish I had the ability to watch something and then pull this much detail from it. I was just sat there with a grin on my face haha. Love your dedication to detail ST.
@eldric.stoneskin
@eldric.stoneskin 29 күн бұрын
The burning wicker men have a real world inspiration that I’ve noticed George RR Martin draws on in ASOAIF as well, where the celts used to build a green man effigy out of straw which they would then burn at the end of winter to bring back the spring, with these burning wicker men being known as a “King of Winter” Makes me wonder if this enemy could be called a “King of Winter” as well
@Fuzboy
@Fuzboy 29 күн бұрын
This may not be concrete proof/clue, but you can divide the music to 3 distinctive parts. The first is a nod to the Elden Ring theme, which I think it supports the idea that this scene depicts the birth of the Golden Order's Elden Ring. The second part is likely Messmer's theme as it plays during the battle/siege with Messmer. The third song represents Miquella, or at least the "followers" of Miquella
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
I defo agree there are three main 'scenes' being shown here
@Fuzboy
@Fuzboy 29 күн бұрын
@@SmoughTown Don't know if someone has mentioned this yet, but in the official Elden EU Ring SotE page, there's a line that describes the NPCs who we'll meet as those "who follow in Miquella's footsteps with ulterior motives." I think this is definitely something interesting to bring attention to.
@Onigure
@Onigure 29 күн бұрын
I like to hear and read you big brains and theories. Also love that you can accept you might be wrong. What a great community.
@melkerbotin7098
@melkerbotin7098 26 күн бұрын
Amazing video!! I'm really too excited for this dlc man!
@aroudingo
@aroudingo 29 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for all this amazing content you put out for us souls fans! It is really clear you put so much effort and care into to your videos, and it is really paying off! The quality of content, and the extent of your lore analysis is really inspiring. The way you link to other fellow creators and give them visible credit is humble and shows your deep care for the community
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Yo thank you so much my friend - that is incredibly generous of you and much appreciated. Thanks for the kind words and support, really keeps my going!
@callmeknightsky
@callmeknightsky 29 күн бұрын
The theory about the closed eye is probably the best I’ve heard and it makes so much sense! Another fantastic video 🙌🏼
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Really appreciate that! Have no doubt we will get more info regarding spirits/bodiless characters in the DLC
@callmeknightsky
@callmeknightsky 29 күн бұрын
@@SmoughTown certainly there is so much to come!! The hype is indeed HYPE! And showing St. Trina as Miquella’s fate has created so many questions. Was Miquella’s fate to fully turn to St. Trina and become a god? If so, did something similar happen to Marika? Was it first Marika and then Radagon, or was it Radagon and then Marika somehow? I am now officially going off the rails lol.
@zack_feldman
@zack_feldman 29 күн бұрын
Was waiting for this. Glad to be here
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Appreciate you being here, hope you enjoy
@zack_feldman
@zack_feldman 29 күн бұрын
@@SmoughTown loving it so far!
@Awoken0
@Awoken0 29 күн бұрын
Love these videos!
@themagister577
@themagister577 29 күн бұрын
Not to mention that the archway of bodies 'Marika' is standing in is very similar in shape to the entryway to the Erdtree. The birth of the Erdtree.
@havanaradio
@havanaradio 29 күн бұрын
A new world to conquer and parasitize. (Amerika, it was never subtle but no one acknowledges it for some reason 🤣)
@BenefitCounterbench
@BenefitCounterbench 29 күн бұрын
​​@@havanaradioBecause Marika is a Hungarian nickname of Mária (Mary), it has nothing to do with America, people just butcher the pronunciation. Margit, István, and Elemér are also Hungarian names in the game thanks to GRR Martin.
@havanaradio
@havanaradio 29 күн бұрын
@@BenefitCounterbench lol come on, you think it was chosen without recognition that its one letter away from America??? In a game about an island nation assaulted by culture dominating aliens that arrive with bombs from the sky? Think for half a second.
@darrenfields7361
@darrenfields7361 29 күн бұрын
Marika directly wiping out an Omen based society would also explain the dreams of terror the Omens have possibly visions and remnants of the restless souls that were purged. Along with why there souls don’t go to the Erdtree in Maricas original plan she didn’t want them too
@cameron2643
@cameron2643 21 күн бұрын
Just wanted to say, I really enjoy your elden ring content and truly appreciate the long form lore content. I like to listen to them while I'm at work since I'm not a huge fan of music while working. I hope you continue all the amazing work, and I wish you all the best.🧡
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 21 күн бұрын
Much appreciated my friend - I am really grateful for your support and kind words. Wish you all the best too!
@gone_hollow6665
@gone_hollow6665 29 күн бұрын
Smough, you did it again 🎉great job!
@EmraHemingway
@EmraHemingway 29 күн бұрын
Hey Smoughtown! 👏🏻👋🏻🔨 Your vids are super rad! This is how I think the Crucible works! Maybe this is common sense, but I believe that the game mechanic of “Remembrances” may relate very closely to the nature of the Crucible with the Erdtree and its predecessor. The reason creatures are able to blend in this melting pot of life through the Crucible is through the power of the Erdtree; that is, the tree stores the lives and “memories” of those buried near it in the form of aspects. The Crucible Knights can pull the different aspects of great beasts from the Erdtree, because of how all life once connected to the tree. The Golden Order Erdtree does a similar thing with its Remembrances, and the player Tarnished can turn those Remembrances into aspects of those bosses. I think the key difference is that the current Erdtree, with its order, cannot allow life to change and blend through it. Because of this players can only acquire aspects in the form of codified knowledge or a physical item, and cannot, say, grow a muscular Godfrey arm. That’s why the Tarnished’s remembrance weapon can be smaller than or different looking to the boss’s; it’s a memory or aspect of that boss. Thinking on Golden Order Fundamentalism, if all things are connected in a chain of relation, and all things yearn eternally to converge, that would make those rules constants since at least the first great tree, and possibly earlier! tl;dr: All life is connected together by the primordial Erdtree; The tree holds the life and memories of life of all deceased creatures, and so other creatures pull from and blend into those memories through birth or faith. Enjoy my funny theory! I’m quite confident on this! 🌌🖤
@EmraHemingway
@EmraHemingway 29 күн бұрын
Also, 43:13 I think the spear-bearing body kneeling on the army-clad steps looks like a Crucible Knight! Look above its shoulders at the axe helm-like protrusions! But what could a Crucible Knight be doing here, in a place likely before Godfrey’s time? 🪓🌲
@smokingbobs1344
@smokingbobs1344 29 күн бұрын
22:20 I just noticed that during this shot the blood is actively flowing down the stairs. Gruesome stuff.
@big_manny
@big_manny 28 күн бұрын
this land being the “shadow” version of the lands between, and the shadow of the erdtree literally being the shadow of the light the erdtree emits, sort of “beneath” it, while being an omen themed land is really reminiscent of the dark sewer the omens dwell in being beneath the golden city of leyndell
@ikertamine
@ikertamine 29 күн бұрын
Thank you for the always amazing, well researched and pertinent content and commentary 🖤
@AlexanderForsman
@AlexanderForsman 29 күн бұрын
I got two thoughts: --> I think the city Mesmer is attack looks far more similar to the design of Selia than Lyndell. --> Secondly i think what we see in the beginning is Radagon recreating himself into Marika in a pact with the Golden order. I see lots of similarities between that scene and Griffith becoming Femto.
@mateuszsotys3912
@mateuszsotys3912 29 күн бұрын
Old Leyndell (the part where we find the onion armor) actually looks like Sellia. So it can be Leyndell in the past
@varsoonhks3211
@varsoonhks3211 29 күн бұрын
Man who has only read Berserk : "Getting some real Berserk vibes from this game..."
@shogomakishima7224
@shogomakishima7224 29 күн бұрын
If you look very closely in third scene you will see that a braid appears on Marika hair even though it wasn't there just a moment ago. Also this V type body build suggest it is a man.
@leojordan1523
@leojordan1523 29 күн бұрын
@@mateuszsotys3912 if you look at lendyall from the map and compare it to the underground, the part where there seems to be a moat lines up perfectly with the location of the unamed eternal city suggesting after the betrayal from the nox, they were literally sent underground. also theres a reason the new lendyell is built on top of the old building. so it wasn't leyndell but rather the earlier culture that the golden order "built on top of"
@Andrei-Rex
@Andrei-Rex 29 күн бұрын
When this Berserk nonsense will stop.
@LBJ.91
@LBJ.91 29 күн бұрын
I think Mesmer is the mirror of the tarnished.
@thatguywesmaranan
@thatguywesmaranan 29 күн бұрын
ah, smoughtown... leal hound of the lore... thou bringeth the gift of narration and insight once again... 👏👏👏
@dpotero
@dpotero 29 күн бұрын
I was waiting for your video bro!!!
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! Hope you enjoy it!
@dpotero
@dpotero 29 күн бұрын
I enjoy all your videos. Very in depth in detail and you give credit to other content creators.
@punishedvenomsnake716
@punishedvenomsnake716 29 күн бұрын
This was such an incredible trailer from both a visual and a lore perspective. I legit watched it over 10 times in a row just to take all of it in. Less than a month to go but it feels like June 21st is an eternity away. FromSoft just makes art, man.
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Genuinely the same - watching it every couple of hours because it is just THAT good
@punishedvenomsnake716
@punishedvenomsnake716 29 күн бұрын
@@SmoughTown Absolutely! That shot of Messmer in front of the burning battlefield and city is just peak kino 🔥🔥🔥 I was also very hyped in expecting your lore breakdown as well, Smough. I can't wait to see where things go with Miquella, maybe we'll see the return of covenants and other really cool features in addition to all that sweet, sweet lore 🙂
@rebar4846
@rebar4846 29 күн бұрын
The "Omen-looking boss" design reminds me a lot of Godwyn tbh. Just the way his arms are placed. The way his blades remind me of the two halves of the Rune of Death.
@lordtrinen2249
@lordtrinen2249 29 күн бұрын
Been waiting for this. Most detailed breakdown yet. Hype for the DLC is at its max!
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Thanks my friend! Hope you enjoy and my hype levels are maxxed out as well!
@coroarc8423
@coroarc8423 29 күн бұрын
Thank you, well done!
@BiblicFurby
@BiblicFurby 29 күн бұрын
Just fought the Godskin apostle in the divine tower Caelid and noticed they also have those weird yellow eyes like Messmer. Maybe Marika and the Gloam-eyed queen made Messmer as like a super godskin, and that scene in the beginning is marika pulling his grace/gold from his swaddling cloth.
@HDdeiu
@HDdeiu 29 күн бұрын
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
Hello there!
@mr.ashenfire2624
@mr.ashenfire2624 29 күн бұрын
General Radahn!! *violently starts spinning arms*
@Soulsborne25
@Soulsborne25 28 күн бұрын
You are probably one of the smartest KZbinr i ever heard. You are a lore genius. AMAZING VIDEO 💪🏻
@NickCombs
@NickCombs 27 күн бұрын
I think the theory that Melina (aka GEQ) is Marika's twin should be duly considered. It really brings the opening scene into clarity if Melina birthed Messmer, assisted by Marika, only to be betrayed when the baby's grace was stolen to form the duality of gold and shadow. A graceless god who would go on to become a Lucipher like demon. It also explains the figure mourning amidst the burning city as Melina, distraught at what has become of her son and realm.
@linusprammefors1830
@linusprammefors1830 29 күн бұрын
Theory: Miquella is st: Trina, as much as he is not. From the trailer, we get a very interesting comment about Miquella abandoning his fate. But what is his fate? The fate most likely is for him to become st: trina. And since birth, he probably had instances where his second persona bloomed. But why is it so that the many people we see have different personas? Twins sort of say? For example: Radagon is Marika. Miquella is saint Trina. Here comes the interesting part. Melania, and Ranni, well, you would not think they have a second personas, but they do, and that is of the snowy queen, and the legendary swordsman/the blue fairy who taught her to fight. We have always presumed these to be different people, and as much as it can be true, that can be untrue. Interestingly, if we presume that the snowy queen is a second personality of Ranni, and the legendary swordsman/the blue fairy who fought against rot and taught Melania to control and to fight it, then what makes an empyrean maybe is not simply one being born of one god, but one being born of one god with two personalities, two identities housing one body, or two identities, which has been separated from one another, to then again meet and have a child together. Marika is an empyrean, and the reason she is an empyrean could be because she has radagon within her. Now, why is this important to understand when it comes to Marika becoming the vessel for the Elden ring? Well, at some point I believe Radagon was separated from Marikas body, and with the red of hair he had, was presumed a descendant of the giants, who also had red hair. The reason this separation had to happen was because otherwise, Marika would not be able to hold the Elden ring within her, which then would take the place of Radagon to live within her body. This is why when Radagon and Marika finally meet to become the vessel and Elden lord, they only have Empyrean children, since the empyreans are born of one god, the one god in this case being Radagon and Marika, since they once were the same person. With this in mind, how does this apply to all the other empyreans? Well. Miquella is saint Trina, but in truth, he is not, and saint Trina was the persons and identity living within him from birth. Sometimes this persona could bloom, just like with Melania or Marika, such as when the scarlet rot blooms, or when radogon blooms from Marika. That is why some people were sure that saint Trina was a boy, since it sometimes bloomed from his souls. But then we now hear in the trailer that he separated himself from his body. Which technically means that both saint Trina within him is now bodyless, aswell as Miquella. And saint Trina is in fact Melena, ho serves to be our guidance through the lands between. That is why some believe that she was a girl. For when they meet saint Trina, she now looked like she actually looked, like Melena, who simply was hidden when she lived within Miquella. Now with Ranni. She too had a separate identity, this being the snowy crone that taught Ranni everything. Her second persona housed within her. Ranni to burned her body, becoming bodiless, and what happend was that the snowy crone exist as her own persona out in the world now, and Ranni herself choose to live within a doll of her liking. This means that empyreans who separate their souls from their body has an opportunity to house another being. This could be how Marika and Radagon both houses separate beings, simply by divesting themselfes of the body, Radagon perhaps taking the liking and body of a giant, or Marika taking the liking of the pregnant woman in the shadow of the erdtree trailer. She stole the body of a pregnant woman, from a man who loved her dearly, and that’s who we see in the trailer with the sword becoming his spine. The gloam eyed queen was presumably the last empyrean before Marika chose to host the Elden ring. For when the gloam eyed queen died, the golden order was founded. About Radagon: One thing that has always been off about Radagon is what his motivation is. When he warred for the golden order, he set out to make gold the true order of everything, that is why they fought against the moon and stars, being the carians and the academy. But then he presumably falls in love with Rennala, and their love comes through very barringly, for Rennala is truly heartbroken when we meet her in the game. And something is off about the the way Radagon leaves her to become Elden Lord right after having a daughter who is an empyrean. First he leaves her an egg of amber giving the ability for rebirth. Is this something Radagon left with Rennala simply to make sure Marika didn’t receive it? Radagon is told to be very loving of his children. All his children love and adore him, look up to him, and between Miquella and him, they give each other gifts of golden rings. Nowhere do they talk of Marika and their relationship. Whenever we hear of Marika, she talks of eradication of her enemies, she says one time that either you are of the golden order or against it, a very tyrannical person. But then she goes and shatters the Elden ring, where as Radagon tries to restore it. Why? When we give all the deathroot to Gurranq, he screams in agony at Marika, “is this what it is to sin?”, presumably talking about the life after death and his satiation for deathroot. And when we later kill him, he apologises to Marika for dying, and says that the golden order can never be restored, probably the reason for why she shattered the ring. The reason was probably that the golden order was crumbling after Godwin’s death. The Erdtree was built by feeding it bodies. In this trailer we see the creation of it, and in this world, when people die, they leave their bodies by the roots. Is this a spiritual act or nice religious act? Probably not. It is probably how the erdtree lives and breathes, how it eats, how it gets stronger. By feeding upon the bodies of the dead. But that isn’t all. When marika plucked away the rune of death, she had Maliketh simply for placing the rune somewhere. Meaning that her purpose of plucking it away had a true great purpose for her own order. That reasons are two in my opinion. First of all it is the way to live forever, to never die. As a person burdened by the god she has contact with, she has to act in its way, and she plucks it away to stay a god ruling forever. The other is make sure that people live for ever, so the erd tree can feed upon people in the graves forever. After Godwin’s death, he was buried right by the base of the erdtree, the reason for this is that the dead live on within the erdtree, but since his soul had died, and his body spread death through the roots affecting the lands between, her order was slowly crumbling. Together with the Haligtree opposing the order, giving refuge to the people of the lands between, where as Marika would have killed them to feed the erdtree. Marika realised that only one thing could be done to save her rule, making sure that the golden order stays the golden order, keeping marikas age going, and that was to shatter the Elden ring and make the world fight itself, so that no one can take her place. How does Radagon fit into this? Radagon and marika whether separate or not, Marika festered Radagon and Marikas bodies into the same body, Radagon becoming trapped within Marika. Radagon is said to try to fix it, and as the ‘leal hound’ as he is, of course he would do everything to fix it. But fix it does not simply mean that at the time of shattering, trying to assemble it back together. It can simply mean that Radagon was of the golden order, and where as Marika shattered the Elden ring to stay the god eternal, Radagon tried to keep the golden order intact, and make sure that Marikas plan of a never ending war was not to happen. If Marika shattered the Elden ring, the golden order would be eternal, but it would be broken. The reason Radagon fights us is because we are there not simply to take the place of Elden Lord, technically replacing Radagon, but we are there to usher in a new order or new age, which means that if Radagon doesn’t fight you, then he doesn’t fight for the order Marika tried to make eternal by plucking away the rune of death and shatter the Elden ring. My personal theory is that Radagon was ones thought to be a giant, and lived as a builder working on stormwind castle, where he later led a rebellion against his oppressors and gained a royal status within the golden order. Later to lead wars for them, against Liurnia. Godfrey was probably sent away to the badlands to allow the lands between to live within a false sense of peace, since there was no more to kill for the erdtree growth. To later send him back to the lands between, presenting him as a vengeful man and a foreign army to kill after their invasion. But Godfrey was not satisfied, and instead of leaving with the boats, stayed with a sword crafted from his entire army, and tried to kill everyone within castle morne, until he fell to his death. The other reason they were sent away was probably for the exact reason she tells them. To kill everyone when returning, feeding the erdtree even more, probably without Godfrey knowing if it. Extra fun fact: if you look at the return to grace icon in you inventory, it tells them that grace is what leads everyone. But if you look at the icon, you might think, what brought Queen Marika to the lands between? And the icon looks like a falling sun or something bright in the distance reflecting of the water. Maybe that is what brought Marika to the lands?
@linusprammefors1830
@linusprammefors1830 25 күн бұрын
I apologise. When I say the blind swordsman, what I mean is the blue fairy bestowing a sword(water) to seal the rot.
@cheesy__9207
@cheesy__9207 29 күн бұрын
BABE WAKE UP SMOUGHTOWN POSTED
@TRACTOOOOOOOOOR
@TRACTOOOOOOOOOR 29 күн бұрын
Video's so good I have to comment twice. I love how you are putting everything together in this video. I think you're spot on many points! Adding to the Marika climb to power, what if the civilization they betrayed was the dragon's? That'd explain how Maliketh ended up in Azula and why Godwyn became friends with them.
@khaijupasta1672
@khaijupasta1672 29 күн бұрын
Fantastic lore video 👏🏼
@NIALLISSNOWFLAKE
@NIALLISSNOWFLAKE 29 күн бұрын
Im about to eat so perfect time
@ididntaskverified3663
@ididntaskverified3663 29 күн бұрын
You prevented me from the first comment, shame
@ididntaskverified3663
@ididntaskverified3663 29 күн бұрын
Gyat
@noahtoomey7527
@noahtoomey7527 29 күн бұрын
The dragon dance boss is going to turn into a gank fight where all the omen come out from under the rags like a bunch of kids in a trench coat
@jer1515
@jer1515 29 күн бұрын
The shot of Messmer standing with his spear pointed straight up in the air, in front of the impaled people, with an inferno behind them as it moves up to show the city is somehow being siphoned or dissolved into shadows beneath the twisted tree and its oozing gold... I don't know how they come up with this stuff man the feeling it evokes is something else
@moki4895
@moki4895 29 күн бұрын
Having his play during work is gonna be essential to my enjoyment 😮‍💨, thank you for another worthy addition to my collection
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 29 күн бұрын
My pleasure and I hope work goes well!
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