Carnage - Supermang Hits Dyno With New Supercharger and Throttlebody

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STREETMACHINETV

STREETMACHINETV

Жыл бұрын

We've done a few upgrades to the Supermang, besides the new throttle body and bigger supercharger pulley, it's also got a new (second hand) supercharger.
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@InfiniteWonderz2
@InfiniteWonderz2 Жыл бұрын
"No one wants to die in a VN" no truer words have been said hahaha
@BrickNewton
@BrickNewton Жыл бұрын
Its not a Carnage Dyno session if we don't see Scottys hair blowing majestically in the wind
@Tuffdan
@Tuffdan Жыл бұрын
L67 are a very underrated motor! mines surprises a fair few people thats for sure
@LockieNZ
@LockieNZ Жыл бұрын
Pulls like a school boy with his first dirty magazine!
@needmoreboost6369
@needmoreboost6369 Жыл бұрын
She is sounding strong! And despite some opinions on anti seize on plug threads and the very temporary wank coating on them don’t install them dry im sick to death of repairing plug threads and getting stuck plugs out for people!
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@dizzyborden3618
@dizzyborden3618 Жыл бұрын
Awesome progress Scotty, Really looking forward to more from Supermang.
@hayden6056
@hayden6056 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the stall test! Yeah Simon's converters are tight good luck holding it on foot brake. My wh was 42-4400 flash but couldn't foot brake past 3200 without it doing the bat mobile smoke screen. She'll go fast.
@jrbuch
@jrbuch Жыл бұрын
Reliable consistent numbers are the way to go. With all that said i'll be keen for the stroker motor and the M112 blower that goes on it (or a turbo)
@tturi2
@tturi2 Жыл бұрын
M112 then add a turbo with the m112 like Richard Holdener did, he used an eBay gt45
@has7280
@has7280 Жыл бұрын
L67s are awesome my first boosted car had an l67 in the old vs statesman. Nothing could touch them at the traffic lights off the mark king haha
@glynnjohnson9065
@glynnjohnson9065 Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear I'm not the only one with noisy rebuilt 3.7's in a Commodore, makes me feel slightly less upset.
@chrisobrien9334
@chrisobrien9334 Жыл бұрын
Great video. That’s nice and consistent now. Great tuning Zane
@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13
@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 Жыл бұрын
"No one wants to die in a VN" Ironic thing to say, considering how many of them ended up wrapped around lamp posts.
@dragpix
@dragpix Жыл бұрын
Just don't say "watch this" in a VN lol
@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13
@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 Жыл бұрын
@@dragpix Oh yeah, those words have preceded many a spectacular VN crash.
@cameronallan3771
@cameronallan3771 Жыл бұрын
Cool video I'd liked the end bit with the drive around the block seeing the car in action on the rd would be good to see more cars doing that if they have rego
@dvorcemkrmotorsports8835
@dvorcemkrmotorsports8835 Жыл бұрын
That smile on your face is like a little kid on Christmas morning.
@BigMkombe
@BigMkombe Жыл бұрын
Watching Scotty get happy at the end, love it mang!
@colinmiles9390
@colinmiles9390 Жыл бұрын
Love the honeycomb effect from the lights on supermang, looks so cool
@trentsangston87
@trentsangston87 Жыл бұрын
Got a brand new carnage video to watch whilst on break at work how good👍👌
@gavinb9627
@gavinb9627 Жыл бұрын
Hi Scotty, great to see more of your antics. The power curve says it all, if you can keep traction off the line, the time down the strip should really impress. Cheers
@johnny-pi1hi
@johnny-pi1hi Жыл бұрын
so cool love the SupermanG great project it just keeps getting better and it's not out of reach for most ppl.
@tony66au
@tony66au Жыл бұрын
All the Mang! You were having way too much fun :-)
@brushitoff503
@brushitoff503 Жыл бұрын
Mad Stuff Scotty! Love SuperMang! I did a thing & entered that draw ha ha. I've been a Makita bloke for years in my trade, keen to see if Ryobi is any better, need new tools so bad! Can't wait to see SuperMang rip some fat skids & lay down some sweet times at the Drag Strip! Cheers! Have a great Weekend!
@shaunpc2512
@shaunpc2512 Жыл бұрын
I love to see a happy Scotty in these videos 👌🏻
@zolkoz4209
@zolkoz4209 Жыл бұрын
Excellent ! The red curve shows more area under the graph lower in the rev range where the car spends more time. Go mang!
@Peterjenkins1011
@Peterjenkins1011 Жыл бұрын
Cant wait to see how it goes on the track.
@theoriginalwallace
@theoriginalwallace Жыл бұрын
Your like a kid in a sweet shop there, Scotty!!
@TaunusMicha
@TaunusMicha Жыл бұрын
surprising double end, loved the road test
@antonyfrost2541
@antonyfrost2541 Жыл бұрын
That's what she said!
@leebriggs4798
@leebriggs4798 Жыл бұрын
love it !!!
@boosted_l6787
@boosted_l6787 Жыл бұрын
Hurry up and get it to the track mate.... I'm keen as to see how this new set-up goes
@bugproductions9050
@bugproductions9050 Жыл бұрын
Excellent
@dirtymuleracing5321
@dirtymuleracing5321 Жыл бұрын
Scotty, I noticed the Voltage on the dash screen was in the 11’s………..great results, been following.
@gardenwaster
@gardenwaster Жыл бұрын
" no one wants to die in a VN "
@AtreidaeChibiko
@AtreidaeChibiko Жыл бұрын
"See, you can still drive it smooth..." *Meanwhile in supercharger* "rrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyy"
@Doc_in_the_carpet_truck
@Doc_in_the_carpet_truck Жыл бұрын
Nice Scotty!! Laps of Mexico 😂👍🍻
@cornfedboost
@cornfedboost Жыл бұрын
Hey Scotty when you put the 4.2 in and finally turbo supermang I think I have a challenge for you 🤔
@plumbs7199
@plumbs7199 Жыл бұрын
Sounds awesome! Sounds like 500 rwhp!
@johnwalters6025
@johnwalters6025 Жыл бұрын
I've gotta L67 VT Calais with stock boost and it's lots of fun especially in peak hour traffic and you see a gap when you need to change lanes, give it a love tap hard enough the whole car does a till back and people get out of the way
@captainjamiegaming2539
@captainjamiegaming2539 Жыл бұрын
I notice the taxi up on the stand in the background aswell, looks like it wil be back soon :)
@jenibond
@jenibond Жыл бұрын
Scottie your right tease !!! There "taxi" lurking in every video !!! I am Enjoy the vid with cold one !!!
@tulebox7370
@tulebox7370 Жыл бұрын
Hi Scotty, love the series! What brand diff gears do you have in the diff, I'm currently weighing up my options on a diff upgrade and would love some imput... Cheers
@michaelb5330
@michaelb5330 Жыл бұрын
Mega mang ! 🙂🙂🙂
@jenibond
@jenibond Жыл бұрын
OMG ! Supper mag turning into real street sleeper !!!! it may not be million Hp dino car ! But look heep fun on the roads and prob going to get scottie into lot trouble !!!!
@gogetem188
@gogetem188 Жыл бұрын
hi all scottie she has good pull right throw the cycle strong yup i recon it will be faster
@DarrenBoxhall
@DarrenBoxhall Жыл бұрын
Should have had the smaller pully in it But either way, that would be super fun hahaha
@DvsCxnt
@DvsCxnt Жыл бұрын
lets go supermang!
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
New PB on Friday
@DvsCxnt
@DvsCxnt Жыл бұрын
@@STREETMACHINETV hes come a long way
@trevevns3242
@trevevns3242 Жыл бұрын
I know in some racing classes if you run forced induction they make you run a 45mm restrictor in the intake it restricts horsepower but creates torque might be worth a try to see how much if any gains anyway killer video can't wait to see track vids Also I have a stock VP V6 engine with a 6v71 blower on it stock injectors in the vid no Tune will post link if you want to see it running. I will delete it after you have watched it if you want also
@dianawoods6985
@dianawoods6985 Жыл бұрын
Let’s go mindiej
@jimclarke1108
@jimclarke1108 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the quarter times, like your work Scotty
@whstato0212
@whstato0212 Жыл бұрын
Can't beat a mang. Honestly fantastic motors. 😂
@crunchytheclown9694
@crunchytheclown9694 Жыл бұрын
woohoo
@kodywattus4648
@kodywattus4648 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully in a burnout box soon to would be sick!
@BrainztormProductions
@BrainztormProductions Жыл бұрын
Have you guys thought of chucking on a Front Mount a2a intercooler, should be able to drop back down to a really small pulley then with sufficient cooling to the charged air, for memory it wouldn't fit with the front bar on on that VN as seen in another episode but maybe you can do some cutting and m'gyvering
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
It doesn't make it any cooler
@nopadelik9286
@nopadelik9286 Жыл бұрын
I love the Supermang video series a lot, very interesting to see what Holden (and you guys) over there in Australia made out of the Opel Omega A / Senator B which is its incarnation i am used to here in Germany ☺ .. those RWD Opels still were real cars which i love, not like those new school vehicles they build today 😔
@Low760
@Low760 Жыл бұрын
They kinda are, except every part bar the door handles are different.
@MafiaboysWorld
@MafiaboysWorld Жыл бұрын
We have been doing this to all Opel models since the 70s, including the Kadett and Omega. The VB Commodore was the original to use an Omega as the base. 👍
@nopadelik9286
@nopadelik9286 Жыл бұрын
@@Low760 yeah, that's why i find it that interesting.. as f.e. we over here never got a V8 engine in an Opel Omega, that's something we would have loved in this body. Actually 20 concept V8 Omegas were built by GM, they got a Corvette engine and the strong Holden V8 rear axle..
@nopadelik9286
@nopadelik9286 Жыл бұрын
@@MafiaboysWorld i know, and as a gearhead and classic car lover appreciate it a lot. As for example i love the Torana, it's kind of an Ascona A on steroids, but way more developed and made better in many details. ^-^,
@MafiaboysWorld
@MafiaboysWorld Жыл бұрын
@@nopadelik9286 I'm gonna go into both your answer to low and mine so it doesn't seem like I'm off topic. 😂👍 We DID have a V8 Torana concept aswell, called the Torana XU-2, but it used our 5.0L 308ci Holden motor, not the Corvette. Unfortunately, the gas crisis of the 70s killed it and every other muscle car being developed off (Phase 4 GTHO Falcon for example). 👎 It wasn't limited to GM either. Perfect example I know of off my head is the Ford Mark III (aka TC) Cortina. In Australia, it's called a Cortina and has the 250ci 4.1L inline six. In the UK, they fitted the 3.1L V6 and called it the Granada. Then on top of that, you got the two door version of that shell and called it the Taunus. Very confusing if you don't know what you're searching for.
@DodgyBrothersEngineering
@DodgyBrothersEngineering Жыл бұрын
I'd make that hp trade in a heart beat. Even if it doesn't run faster at the track you are making more power down low with 6 less psi of boost stressing internals. Dyno queens might like the extra hp, but people who actually drive on the streets know that is a good trade.
@terjejohnsen3651
@terjejohnsen3651 Жыл бұрын
The ryobi whishlist is only for Australia not International wiewers 😭 It will be interresting to see how it perform on the strip. Sometimes its like power is not all.
@brendannunya77
@brendannunya77 Жыл бұрын
What’s the contraption you used to tighten the spark plug gap with the feeler gauges?
@tturi2
@tturi2 Жыл бұрын
that thing is an awesome street car 🤌
@dizza1993
@dizza1993 Жыл бұрын
Be interesting how the same setup goes without the intercooler. My guess would be much the same considering the boost is reasonably low and you're running E85
@mickc8738
@mickc8738 Жыл бұрын
Let's see some more mangs at Heathcote scotty👍👍
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
I raced it today
@chefcamsey1375
@chefcamsey1375 Жыл бұрын
👍👍🔥🔥
@silverbackanimal7215
@silverbackanimal7215 Жыл бұрын
I got a stock au falcon ute , do they do a little super charger kit or something for my old falcon ??? Just want something with a little fun factor
@iLLisett
@iLLisett Жыл бұрын
great vid scotty! did you gap the plugs to .5? did i hear that right?
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
Yep
@adamheazlett1179
@adamheazlett1179 Жыл бұрын
Ask Santa for 48 inch shifter Cresent wrench. You can get bigger watchmaker ones for fine work
@vortex925
@vortex925 Жыл бұрын
Scotty this is Australia water and coke just don't cut it we need to know if it'll keep the beers cold 🤣
@williamhardes8081
@williamhardes8081 Жыл бұрын
what's that wacky bit of gear you were using to change the plug gap? you have a specially calibrated work bench in front of you? goin high tec Scotty? lol.
@jakedavidson6607
@jakedavidson6607 Жыл бұрын
278hp exact number my stock ls1 vs wagon made last weekend, wanna race 😛
@nathanpeachs2704
@nathanpeachs2704 Жыл бұрын
The super mang is a beautiful thing, more like the angry super mang now but 😅🇭🇲
@PaddyBoy644
@PaddyBoy644 Жыл бұрын
How long does it take to go from Dandy to Mexico for that on road testing? 😜
@stephenpage-murray7226
@stephenpage-murray7226 Жыл бұрын
Don’t coat NGK threads. They already have a trivalent coating
@needmoreboost6369
@needmoreboost6369 Жыл бұрын
So that’s why I have to constantly do spark plug thread repair’s it’s because someone reads somewhere about a coating and believes that will protect it and prevent wear and corrosion on the thread!
@stephenpage-murray7226
@stephenpage-murray7226 Жыл бұрын
@@needmoreboost6369 Half a century and I’ve never had to do a plug thread repair in mine or any clients vehicle. You also can’t get the correct torque if you use crap on the threads.
@needmoreboost6369
@needmoreboost6369 Жыл бұрын
@@stephenpage-murray7226 ? Lol you can’t get the correct torque with lubricant you shouldn’t be working on vehicles! so how does turning a tapered seat plug 1/16 of a turn require a torque wrench?
@stephenpage-murray7226
@stephenpage-murray7226 Жыл бұрын
@@needmoreboost6369 Correct crush on the washer is critical for the correct best transfer. Stick to your day job
@stephenpage-murray7226
@stephenpage-murray7226 Жыл бұрын
@@needmoreboost6369 clowns who don’t use a torque wrench make you money.
@A.R.C.77
@A.R.C.77 Жыл бұрын
😁🤘
@christophermclean5620
@christophermclean5620 Жыл бұрын
Try not get caught In Mexico 🇲🇽 private roads that have workshops on them are pretty rare
@akaitv6606
@akaitv6606 Жыл бұрын
Low boost is ok for .028-.032 thou
@ARROWS00
@ARROWS00 Жыл бұрын
Woohoo something that is not a Barra
@ChristopherHallett
@ChristopherHallett Жыл бұрын
Oh snap, this is still an M90? I thought you'd upgraded to an M112 already. You're going to need a significant upgrade for the stroker motor, an M90 will choke it up really quick. An R1900 would do a beautiful job - you can turn it nice and slow so it won't heat the air up much, and the higher efficiency will mean lower parasitic drag on the crank for more power everywhere, baby!
@Greg....
@Greg.... Жыл бұрын
When you did the plugs i noticed you stuffed up. Its a mang, your supposed to cross thread them in aren't you? Properly kill the threads in the heads?
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
Haha
@honestpat7789
@honestpat7789 Жыл бұрын
Well, I think that’s double the factory output…almost 💨 and they were a fun car from stock start 😂
@Twenty_Six_Hundred
@Twenty_Six_Hundred Жыл бұрын
Easy double as they made 90rwkw on a good day
@benni727
@benni727 Жыл бұрын
hey dose zain do much carby stuff.
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
No he doesn't
@leviandronicous4193
@leviandronicous4193 Жыл бұрын
Just put a vortech on it!
@WittyScrewdriver
@WittyScrewdriver Жыл бұрын
Just doing under the speed limit
@richd2353
@richd2353 Жыл бұрын
Ok supermang is ok but? Let's see some massive changes 🤔turbo to your ford au 😁 and let's for real here I've had a l67 and there no that fast you have to put two much time and money into them to get small gains and don't get me started on the thermostat location what a pick. Au turbo Done less money and faster
@87muzcuz
@87muzcuz Жыл бұрын
What is the make of the w2a intercooler
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
Just an Ebay barrel cooler
@stevenkirk2563
@stevenkirk2563 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a vacuum cleaner.
@bry40l
@bry40l Жыл бұрын
I thought copper plugs were a better choice for performance? Interested to hear your thoughts on the plug of choice scotty.
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
For boosted set ups platinum plugs are better
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
For boosted set ups platinum plugs are better
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
For boosted set ups platinum plugs are better
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
For boosted set ups platinum plugs are better
@paulmassey6228
@paulmassey6228 Жыл бұрын
that seems very low revving and a very rich tune, is that normal for those engines?
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
Paris Hilton tune, rich and retarded
@5UPRAH
@5UPRAH Жыл бұрын
@@STREETMACHINETV HAHAHA. I literally L'OL at that. So good.
@aussieboganbloke2244
@aussieboganbloke2244 Жыл бұрын
@@STREETMACHINETV 😂😂😂😂 that is just too good.
@IBLOWN
@IBLOWN Жыл бұрын
Use 5L V8 plugs off the shelf. 0.5 gap is too small.
@suarvemarv
@suarvemarv Жыл бұрын
Yep, maybe one step colder BPR7EF would be the go. For 8psi 0.8-0.9gap would be fine, 0.5 is overkill
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
Runs fine
@IBLOWN
@IBLOWN Жыл бұрын
@@STREETMACHINETV Yeah runs fine, but youre hindering power. Go and get a set of 5L plugs and throw them in.
@redbackspider
@redbackspider Жыл бұрын
This competition isn't drawn until January next year - sheesh- that is bad timing........
@LRogan520
@LRogan520 Жыл бұрын
Certainly sounds different, as in a little more angry than before ..
@guyharrison909
@guyharrison909 Жыл бұрын
What are we expecting 12.5 or better?
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
Hopefully
@AlienLivesMatter
@AlienLivesMatter Жыл бұрын
Nice Opal dude lol
@gemini3558
@gemini3558 Жыл бұрын
😜👍🇦🇺
@seinfeld11123
@seinfeld11123 Жыл бұрын
why are you coating spark plugs with anti sieze. when they are zinc coated....
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
And yet I haven't had a problem
@seinfeld11123
@seinfeld11123 Жыл бұрын
@@STREETMACHINETV i bet you put copper grease on the back of brake pads too don't you? you are fixing a problem that doesn't exist mate. save your grease
@simondawkins1038
@simondawkins1038 Жыл бұрын
We're is the ryobi link?
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
Oops, I'll fix that now
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
Fixed
@adamheazlett1179
@adamheazlett1179 Жыл бұрын
Promote manuals way better on fuel and for a street light racer
@bvward
@bvward Жыл бұрын
Scott, if I win the Ryobi fridge, can you get me a 120V/60Hz to 240V/50Hz inverter? ☺
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
Haha
@knifethrower9733
@knifethrower9733 Жыл бұрын
Yeah coz we've never had a sink with a garbage compactor in Australia 😂
@vr350
@vr350 Жыл бұрын
Wheres the 2.55" pulley ? Come on send it dont waste your time with whats on it. Its intercooled need boost to make power!
@GTFORDMAN
@GTFORDMAN Жыл бұрын
so next mod will possibly be a transbrake for a 3000rpm launch?
@snapped4433
@snapped4433 Жыл бұрын
For that hole in the bonnet you should get a reverse cowl
@Low760
@Low760 Жыл бұрын
Noooooo. VN Group a scoop
@beardbuilds5140
@beardbuilds5140 Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see this thing with that waste of blower off it and a turbo strapped to it !! Why anyone ever persisted with the Eaton blower is beyond me , super small blower and a low volumetric efficiency….. I know let’s machine the snout and put a super small pulley on it and not make anymore boost but triple our intake temps 😂 and then wonder why 🤣🤣🤦‍♂️
@rapposracing8538
@rapposracing8538 Жыл бұрын
BEARD BUILDS what do think about this budget build, way cheaper than everyones typical LS Swap. It's ran 10.5 now more in it too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnOThGybrMulf6s
@beardbuilds5140
@beardbuilds5140 Жыл бұрын
@@rapposracing8538 I’m not in the habit of clicking random links in the KZbin comment section 🤣 but I searched your channel up and I’m assuming you are referring to the 10.75 @128 in a 1475kg VS ( could have been a VR apologies if it was ; either way it’s a second gen commodore ) don’t get me wrong it’s impressive but budget ? I get that V6 shit is reasonably cheap but it’s also not a factory L67 motor either it’s an ecotec with L67 top swap with nitrous . Mace camshaft and I can only guess a whole lot more fruit inside too . Built 4L60 and a converter and 3.7 gears . Is it running on 98 or E85 ? . Ok let’s look at a few different combo’s here … budget built 355 on the spray would go bottom 10’s über easy … hell I have seen 355’s running through factory bananas run into the 11’s N/A , as would a LS with a cam swap and nitrous (5.3 and upwards!) especially in a set up that only weighs 1475! My point is the people out there that think you can spin a poor little M90 with a pulley the size of a thimble and then the blower will make 40psi of pressure when it isn’t case . Mate I’m happy for ya that you got a M90 blower to go 10.50’s it’s no mean feat but saying it’s a budget build is beyond a stretch !
@rapposracing8538
@rapposracing8538 Жыл бұрын
@@beardbuilds5140 you said in more than 1 comment how these m90 blowers are absolutely useless and why anyone would waste there time persisting with 1, lol You've probably never even driven 1 or been down the dragstrip!! They've got a big following and work well with small mods. My v6 setup is very simple and certainly a budget built for what it is, im under $10k for running 10s, all my cars are low$ builds and so is scotty's stuff compared to what most people spend, like his mate mindej he called out in the LS swap VN, he's spending way more $$ but im reakon scotty's going to give him a surprise when they hit the track
@beardbuilds5140
@beardbuilds5140 Жыл бұрын
@@rapposracing8538 haha calm down John Zappia ! Oh that’s not you ?!? Sorry I thought seen as how you were making outlandish claims I would too , yes I have drag raced plenty of times and I have also driven a modified L67 powered Monaro and yeah I can promise you this much for free you didn’t build an entire FKN car for under $10k . They are FKN useless they are a limited small volume blower . Yes they have a big following but so do the katdasians Kevin campion you big time swim champion … doesn’t make them a thing Good on you , for taking one to 10.50 honestly it’s a stout effort
@JuStDaNsViDs
@JuStDaNsViDs Жыл бұрын
Scotty, we know, you know. Ryobi... What market are they actually trying to cater for? Sponsor is a sponsor, c'mon Makita...
@stevenbruzz6050
@stevenbruzz6050 Жыл бұрын
The gears shouldnt whine like that
@STREETMACHINETV
@STREETMACHINETV Жыл бұрын
They don't whine, I meant you can hear the rpm generated by the 3.7 gears
@stevenbruzz6050
@stevenbruzz6050 Жыл бұрын
@@STREETMACHINETV ahh. That makes more sense, i took it as scotty ment the diff was noisey
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