Struggling to Trust My Wife After Catching Her in a Huge Lie

[@chucksmith9633]

Been there done that. After being married for 11 years found out my wife was lying about her work, then I played private detective and found out she was lying about everything. Drugs, alcohol, cheating, smoking... Everything for years. Nothing left to call a marriage. Divorce, moved on.

[@Piccolo_Re]

Your gut didn’t tell you anything before getting married? My gut is always spot on with people and I get bad vibes about people right away. And my vibes always end up being right.

[@daypeanut4406]

​@@Piccolo_Re same, but I'm also a deeply traumatised person so my automatic response is to doubt and gaslight myself. That intuition needs to be honed but also you have to be a pretty strong/ healed person to have the tools (and support system) to listen to it.

[@scrapykat3028]

Same here!

[@sueblack5794]

@@Piccolo_Re People ignore red flags, and there are ALWAYS red flags. People do it all the time, especially when we are in love.

[@dogood2848]

@@sueblack5794 That was me for freaking 8 years, thought I could change her to be better. I learned the harrrrrrrd way!

[@MisterNightfish]

Honestly, no matter the circumstances, I do not think you come back from a lie like this. Faking a whole education is ridiculous.

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

Lots of women Pay or sell their body for sex in exchange for their nursing homework to be done for them. Hilarious.

[@HeyYou80855]

Agree, former step sister has been telling ppl she graduated from college when she quit her first quarter her Freshman year. Crazzzzy!

[@sueblack5794]

People lie on their resumes all the time, and employers should always check. Its not protected information, and anyone can call a records department to check if that person has actually earned a degree.

[@elisebb4457]

@@sueblack5794 That's a lot different from lying to your spouse for a year in an elaborate ruse

[@dudewhathappenedtomycountr9099]

@@elisebb4457 Not to some of us. Exaggerating skills a bit, perhaps. That's as far as it should go.

[@ukrose]

😬 I get the embarassment in dropping out but ordering a fake cap n gown?? That's psychotic. He needs to leave before she drags him down financially too

[@christinahek]

She has credit cards, secret boyfriends, lord only knows. He’s probably already in a pit that he doesn’t know he’s in.

[@BurnesBurnybee]

I hope she isn’t psychotic, just deeply avoidant/guilty😬 psychotic liars never come clean, and threat of exposure can cause them to do crazy desperate things to keep their fake reputation intact. Hopefully this goes okay for him !

[@DrLove01]

There’s something off with him as well, just the way he talks and thinks, it’s not normal. I think if you did a deep dive on both of them, it would be interesting.

[@sarahmurphy-nf4yl]

​@@DrLove01It's cognitive dissonance... his brains way of protecting his mind from a melt down. 😢 MY heart breaks 💔 for him..its deveststingly painful to face a hard truth thst the one you love and have devoted your life to is lying bare face to you.

[@absolutelyridiculous6743]

He sounds like my husband when I opened up about a personal problem. Slow, logical, listening, taking all emotion off the table because he was processing. ​@DrLove01

[@ericaexplainsitall2135]

One of my friends dated a guy for 4 years that told everyone that he graduated from Stanford and was the quarterback of the football team ( extra little detail) it was even on his linked in bio. And he would take her to football games at the stadium he used to play at. Once she ran a background check on him- she found out that not only had he never gone to Stanford, but that he had actually spent four years in federal prison prison for fraud and went by a fake name… people that lie about details like their educational background are almost always con artists and you need to stay the heck away from them.

[@zanakaysag3839]

Kinda like the Reesa Teesa story 😢

[@DrLove01]

I was in corporate security and that was common. Very difficult to get a job once you’ve been in jail, a good job with a large corporation, impossible. The cons would cover their jail time with a diploma. I had a wee bit of compassion for these folks because it was a survival tool. In most cases, they were just trying to keep their nose clean and lead a normal life. If you continue to punish these guys, they just end up back in jail.

[@mrs.lunatic7136]

Interesting. I'm literally about to print off my own degree from wherever because of job descriptions requiring a bachelor's for a job that has no degree for it. It's a learn on the job, job. Executive Assistant. Even then, you don't start at Executive. All of a sudden, I need a bachelor's degree. REQUIRED. Absurd. Its always about the clout. Sometimes it's about fighting people who are in their own dadgum way.

[@ericaexplainsitall2135]

@@DrLove01 well the reason he went to jail was for insurance fraud. He was always telling people that he was a Stanford quarterback even before he went. Just a born con man/ I heard an interview with an FBI agent once that stated that most common lies con artists tell are their name, their education and their military status

[@churrymurray]

Holy crap!

[@jazzyvideotime]

My ex finance lied about graduating from Harvard. I knew deep down he was lying, but didn’t know how to approach it or how to deal with it. The lie ended up bigger than I thought it ever could be. Integrity is so huge. I have a wonderful husband now that doesn’t lie and it’s so refreshing

[@sueblack5794]

It is surprising how many people lie about degrees. If you suspect they are lying, call the records department at that school and ask if they have earned a degree at that school; it isn't protected information, and they can give out that information without permission. Employers should all do it, but they don't, so they keep getting away with the lie.

[@jazzyvideotime]

@ Facts! I did a search to find out and couldn’t find any history of him. I asked and he had a brush off answer, but it still nagged at me. Turns out his family sold their house for him to “go to Harvard” where he pretended to go, lived off their money, then came back, claimed he had the degree, “invested money” and created a Ponzi scheme until he was caught and his family finally bailed him out. It was insane how quick one lie led to another.

[@ivonned32]

Once we "know" they are lying like that is better to move away instead of bitting around the bush

[@sueblack5794]

@@jazzyvideotime That is really crazy bannans.Sorry that happened to you.

[@MisterNightfish]

Integrity is not something you "sort of" have. You either have it or you don't. There's always more lies, it's never just one thing.

[@mewgiah8057]

If the first caller is correct, I would be more afraid for my life. There are many example of people telling elaborate lies - who then go on to kill rather than let the lie get exposed. Because they told an intricate lie that is compounded across time, it makes the truth feel like the end of the world. So rather than face the consequences they kill (family, friends etc) so they never have to face the consequences. I’ve literally seen this exact story twice in true crime documentary’s. Now I’m not saying this guy is in danger. But if his wife is willing to tell a lie this elaborate then there is something seriously wrong. It’s no longer about a lie. It’s about a person being incredibly unwell and doing acts that border on psychosis. He should be afraid and take this more seriously than he is.

[@sueblack5794]

I suspect she got booted from Nusing school, failed out and now hiding it. Very common, I imagine. Her faking a diploma and creating though is a whole level of crazy,

[@jessicam7467]

Yes! I immediately thought of the Chandler Halderson case. I'm a RN. It's hard. You feel like an idiot. And I already had a degree in Psychology, when I went through the program. I can see her feeling completely devastated or embarrassed but her continued lying is beyond troubling. I think that, because they've been together so long, he feels like he knows what she would or wouldn't do. No man. You now know you can't trust how far she'll go to protect this false reality she's trying to sell.

[@ppmny7015]

​@@jessicam7467I immediately thought of Chandler too. ::shudders::

[@esmi0136]

My thoughts exactly. I thought of the case of that Frenchman some decades ago who lied about being a doctor for so long, that when he was close to being exposed, he eliminated everyone in his family. This included not just his wife and children, but his own parents, the dog, etc. Caller #1 needs to leave, immediately and quietly without her knowing. Considering she's still ten toes down for her lie, there's no fixing this, truthfully. Someone willing to lie like this to a partner they've been with for 12 years is positively terrifying, and definitely alludes to much more that he doesn't know about her.

[@hillarybillary21]

@@sueblack5794psychopaths aren’t “crazy”. Stop with the blanket statements that negate responsibility. These people execute l intentional and deliberate acts that show disordered thinking.

[@lisad56]

He’s only been married for one year. He needs to get a divorce. He’s in denial. If he stays with her … he will regret it.

[@taylor15589]

I mean did the guy even want to marry? They have been together for 12 years and met at 17… like he waited quite a long time before putting a ring on her finger. Makes me think, did he want to marry or go with the “I’ve already been with her so long so might as well” kinda thing. Big difference between the two

[@lm8725-q7f]

​@@taylor15589I feel you have a point here. They married after 11 years together and after a few months...bang! Did they even want to get married in the first place?

[@mooreremodeling]

If she lied about this then she lied about a lot of other things

[@dogood2848]

Bingo!

[@meesh1002]

💯. There are other things she’s lying about too

[@sueblack5794]

John is right she is lying about a lot of things I bet.

[@Tes73792]

But the bummer is you can only assume about them... Assumption makes you an ass (generally speaking).

[@lm8725-q7f]

very likely, yep.

[@DrLove01]

On the flipside, I used to be in corporate security, in the old days it was quite easy to lie about education. The irony is when we busted them, most were in management/senior positions, they were doing the job, just fine. Made me question the value of these diplomas in non-technical roles!

[@RICO-ROMEO]

@DrLove01 They were getting by on the work of their subordinates. We've all had management that were totally airheads and felt they purchased their degrees. 🤨

[@AnaShahTX]

Dr John is blowing up internationally. Kudos for giving the caller strength in a hard situation ❤

[@jangrosemartindale8740]

I’d hire a Private Detective, find out Everything, get Witness statements, paper documentation, etc. prove there is FRAUD in their marriage, which helps establish grounds for an ANNULMENT, & he doesn’t have to PAY out anything to a LIAR.

[@sueblack5794]

Don't even need to do all of that, simply call the records department at the school and ask if they have earned a degree. Degree information is not protected. Then after they say there is no record of that degree get a divorce lawyer in place. Hire the private detective to see if she is cheating as well.

[@zanakaysag3839]

The PI might find way more information. Probably more than just the lies about school

[@mylesgray3470]

I agree. This is what I would do.

[@lm8725-q7f]

a private detective might cost lots of money as well (not sure as I never hired one).

[@rhondaculwell8195]

Agreef

[@harrietbaker4484]

Saying you are a Nurse when you are NOT is Fraud.

[@gessrinky9129]

Right. Now practicing without a license is.

[@peterlee584]

So true.

[@freethinker4596]

That's the least of this mans problems

[@Openingtheshadow]

Alright now calm down lot more terrible things going on. Maybe the fact that doctors aren’t well educated at all. That IS and should be wrong. Joe Dispenza got it in the hood.

[@sueblack5794]

It is leads to jail time as well if they end up practicing. I know someone who actually went to federal prison for it for about 7 years. She even worked in a medical clinic, and how she got caught, she didn't know some of the skills required. The clinic then checked with the school records, and she never even attended. It blows my mind that the employer didn't check at the university right away and just trusted what she said and a fake transcript. She faked a transcript by stealing someone else's and editing the name, SS # and birth date. Employers should always request an official copy sent from the school, and a transcript that never touches the hands of the person they are interviewing. The Feds btw can request a transcript without permission, and that is how it was confirmed she committed fraud.

[@ppmny7015]

Last people I've seen who lied about something like this killed their parent(s).

[@zanakaysag3839]

There was a case in Canada like this

[@mariebarnes5947]

I have seen 3 recent cases.

[@curassavica]

Chandler Halderson, Jennifer Pan, Bart Whitaker, Christopher Porco… need I say more?

[@curassavica]

John List killed his CHILDREN, wife, and mother in order to prevent them from finding out that he lost his job (he also faked going to work for an entire year) and their house was going into foreclosure.

[@gregregor9689]

1st guy is the definition of denial. SHES CHEATING ON YOU DUM DUM.

[@zoiefinnian3540]

Lmaooooo

[@vp1165]

Why would you assume cheating?

[@Sharnecau]

Yeah could be

[@melanieb2132]

​@vp1165 where is she going when she says she's at school?

[@mylesgray3470]

Yep! I would GPS track her to find out where she is really going just for the curiosity while filling for divorce if I were him.

[@emv7929]

I also lied about finishing college. First, I lied to my parents and then I kept the lie going in case my friends spoke to my parents, and so on. I wasn’t doing anything shady, I was just really struggling with my mental health. Admitting I didn’t finish college meant letting others know I wasn’t okay. It sounds illogical and most people would think we’re evil but we’re not. Maybe some people are just pathological liars but it doesn’t apply to everyone. When your parents place such high expectations on you, you’re afraid to disappoint them. When you were punished for being honest and making normal mistakes, you learn to hide your failures. I live with the shame and guilt every day. I try to not lie about other things, and I’m going back to college so it won’t be a lie anymore.

[@alyross2850]

I feel that. I came from a home where there would never be approval, never a “good job”, never a compliment. The expectations were high, but truth be told, even those expectations being met would not be enough. So you learn to lie. Teeny tiny mistakes are seen as earth shattering so you can never tell your parents anything at all. It was a life centered around crying over spilled milk. Creates an anxiety that is inescapable. You just cannot trust another person to know that you are not perfect so you start to hide things and those things lead to lies. I get it.

[@Ahern1245]

That's beyond weird.I feel sorry for you. Sounds like you run away from a lot.

[@mrs.lunatic7136]

I'm so sorry you are experiencing this, and I want you to know that you are not alone. Also, I hope you are seeing someone for therapy. It sounds as though you have lived under an umbrella of impossible expectations.

[@sarahmurphy-nf4yl]

Only go back to college IF you really want to. You have nothing to prove to anyone and many people who don't go to college have very good lives also. Do what you want for you not foe anyone else.

[@RICO-ROMEO]

Have you told your parents/friends yet?

[@jessicapadron7886]

How can you lie about nursing degree? You cant become a nurse without it. What happens when she never gets a job lol

[@Jetsi79]

She’ll just make herself the victim and blame others for not wanting to hire her.

[@theshunnedBandersnatch]

It's possible! There was a whole ring of fake nurses in Florida--they got busted and I think had their credentials stripped.

[@deadshot8077]

Either the caller is lying OR she is so mental that she hasn’t fully thought through what her end game is.

[@sueblack5794]

I know someone who lied about a medical degree and worked at a clinic. Employers simply don't check the information closely. It was a smaller clinic, but she got away with it until she repeatedly didn't know how to do some of the skills needed. They then finally checked, and it was all a lie. She was charged with federal crimes for it. You can order fake transcripts, diplomas, and licenses. If the employer doesn't check and trusts the fake documents, well they get away with it.

[@MARYREED-nh7gb]

You need to be licensed as well. Where is the license?

[@PearlsandRoses]

“What is her endgame?? NOT become a nurse????” 😂😂😂😂ohhhh SNAP!! 🔥🔥BURN! Dr. Deloney’s got jokes!!😂😂😭😭

[@jenerin905]

She couldn't handle the curriculum (if she ever was enrolled), but she's going to fake the education, the career, and the salary as much as she can. She's probably been doing things like that all her life.

[@maceroee]

As a current nursing students this is insane!!! Nursing school is no joke. I go daily, study daily and take care of a family. I am up at 4 am. And asleep at 11 pm.

[@ktj6796]

Oh my gosh, this is wild! I quit speaking to my best friend because I felt in my gut she was lying about being a nurse practitioner which she just out of the blue sprung on everybody and said she had secretly been going to school. Well means first you would have had to complete nursing school and I know for a fact she was a stay-at-home mom for years and years and didn't have a car and then she told everybody she had cancer and now she's getting money from a GoFundMe. So I haven't spoken to her in like 9 months and it breaks my heart. But it's like you feel like you just can't trust somebody. Love you Dr. John and crew. Trying to get my brother to listen to maybe work out some of his problems

[@lilyjay2118]

I had an ex lie to me about graduating from Texas A&M with a marine biology degree. A few months later, found out it was a lie…I still stayed with him for 2 years after that, like and idiot. Don’t do that. Leave her. She a Liaaaaarrr 😂

[@theshunnedBandersnatch]

That is such an oddly specific lie too 😂

[@sueblack5794]

Why did you stay with her/him? People who do this probably, more than likely, have a personality disorder and they are gonna lie about everything.

[@ivonned32]

Glad you recognized you were an idiot for staying

[@christinabowling4373]

She's a narcissist. Run NOW before it gets worse. So incredibly sad.

[@jw70467]

Lying about a MARBie degree is so crazy. At least say you were MARA or MASE so you are making money in your imaginary field.

[@MegaSamTheMan77]

That poor guy sounds like my husband with his ex-wife. She has a personality disorder that she never told him about. (and never got proper help for it) She gaslit him and cheated on him multiple times. She caused him so much turmoil. Even now, 13 years later, she is still causing drama. He definitely should run because this sounds like her.

[@texan903]

I think he should strongly encourage her to seek counseling and work to rebuild trust. She probably has mental illness.

[@absolutelyridiculous6743]

Oh, poor guy 😢. I'm glad he has you by his side now to help uplift him and reassure him. You're a good wife ❤

[@onward-fp2fz]

Putting aside lying about something else, I don't think there's any coming back from this. How do you ever trust again considering how far she took this? I don't think you can

[@Ss-dz6cm]

As a nurse, I can tell you, it is HARD. Lots of people got kicked out. If you fail one course, you have to retake it and are put on probation. If you fail one more you are kicked from program. If you get less than 80% on the med calculations on a single test, you fail the course. She is probably just deeply ashamed. I think our starting class was 102. We finished with 40.

[@Gemmarose9012]

I can confirm that it’s hard. What she’s doing however, is off the hook. There really isn’t any excuse for it, ashamed or not. Her character is very flawed.

[@sherryderrywade7712]

YES, RN- BSN program was tough. I was an LVN. We started RN program with 41 people, 16 of us graduated It takes discipline , consistency, studying, being timely, etc,ec

[@sueblack5794]

@@sherryderrywade7712 Pharmacoloigy weeded people out like the Noro virus lol.

[@jjkatz]

Agree. I’m a Rn and nursing school was a nightmare. Very hard and stressful. Many dropped out or flunked out.

[@OGA103]

80%?? We had to ace our med calculation portion!

[@NathanCrouse611]

I was engaged to a liar. If she lies about something as big as that, she is lying about a bunch of small things and likely any other big thing she thinks she can get away with.

[@parkwood6334]

Is the wife embarrassed about dropping out of nursing school and is digging herself deeper?

[@absolutelyridiculous6743]

That's what I'm thinking.

[@lm8725-q7f]

to the lady from Sydney: Be ready to lose friendship at least for a while. It could happen. But you do the right thing ❤ All the best my dear. You're a great friend, never forget it.

[@AshliNielson]

Get a private investigator to do a complete background check on her!

[@GoldenBaaaay]

I did this was I was 19/20 with my high school sweetheart. We were together for 6 years. I’m now 40. At the time it was hugely shameful but I was incredibly immature at the time and I can now forgive that young man. I was very insecure at the time with no confidence. 20 years later it’s still something that sits with me. There actually wasn’t anything more interesting going on either. I used to sit in my car and read magazines. Once I started the lie I couldn’t stop. It was a really lonely time. I just wanted someone to accept me and tell me it was ok. Shame is a powerful motivator. I’m now a family man with a 10 year marriage, 3 kids, big community guy, and a highly successful business owner. This was a painful chapter in my life but it made me the man I am today. Just my story. God bless to all ❤

[@sarahmurphy-nf4yl]

I'm glad it all worked out for you. I hope the chap phoning in reads your comment. Sometimes society families or partners out a lot more pressure 🤔 on people than they can bare and for an easy life I'd say she may have fibbed for some peace away from the pressure.. possibly. I feel sorry for both. I hope it all works out OK and I hope they BOTH read your excellent and reassuring comment.

[@dudewhathappenedtomycountr9099]

Caller: 1) Do not have kids with her. Do not even have sex with her, so you know if she gets pregnant that it's not your kid. 2) Do not confront her. Check college records. If she's lying about this, she's lying about a host of other things. Drugs are probably involved. If she realizes you are on to her, she will panic and her behavior will escalate. You don't want that. 3) Have a private detective run a background check and follow her for a few days. Hopefully you qualify for an annulment.

[@sarahmurphy-nf4yl]

Excellent advise

[@ashleyduckworthyt3224]

I came to comment this. She’s clearly unwell and has been confronted head-on already… he needs to gather evidence and leave.

[@_JEBUS]

​@@ashleyduckworthyt3224She may not he unwell honestly shes probably having a very serious affair and the whole school lie buys her time to spend with the other man without suspicion. That would be my guess.

[@jesilynsylvia9665]

I once was dating a guy for a couple years who was a veteran and had been in the 82nd Airborne.... Except he had never been in the military. Plot twist? He actually went to the military after I found out that the whole thing was a lie and broke up with him. He was also lying about a whole bunch of other stuff

[@paulamontana9970]

John , I LOVE YOU , and your show !! This poor gal has either flunked out of, or can’t muster up the nursing program . I’m a retired REGISTERED NURSE ! Until one goes through the stiff RN program - you don’t know how hard , and stressful it is !!!! I feel for her ; she isn’t able to admit that she can’t do it ! I feel for her !! From Fresno , Cali.

[@ricana1160]

Nursing school is a beast

[@paulamontana9970]

Don’t knock it -until you’ve tried. It !!! 13:21 13:25

[@paulamontana9970]

Nursing program that is !

[@sueblack5794]

FERPA does NOT protect degree information. He needs to right away call the Reigtrars office or Records office at the school and simply ask if his wife has earned a degree and when it was earned. Anyone can do this, and it isn't protected information.

[@JudithRandall-vz1zk]

Example of Dr. Delony's great perception: "The ACIS score is not a competition." Me: OUCH!

[@markipelagogogo]

Lied to my GF when I was 19 about dropping out for a semester. I was a dumb kid who did come clean to her. Took a long time to earn back her trust. We’ve been married 24 years now but I tell her everything because she is my WIFE. I could rationalize (poorly) keeping a secret from my girlfriend, but a lie like this is UNACCEPTABLE when someone DEPENDS ON YOU. When you pledged fidelity and commitment FOR LIFE.

[@abigailloar956]

Yeah, I get being embarrassed. But he keeps calling her out. If she really cared about him, she would come clean when being called out. Digging herself further into the lie is very suspicious to me.

[@deadshot8077]

Very different at 19 and when not married. VERY different.

[@christinahek]

How long did you lie though? Sounds like you were confronted quickly and crumbled, embarrassed. That’s a vastly different situation. People lie. Not every lie is a psychosis. The doubling down on a big lie and continuing it with a series of other lies for over a year…😬. This is how you end up on Dateline.

[@markipelagogogo]

@@christinahek For like a few days. I got severely depressed when my job let me go at the time, and I learned I wasn't going to be able to do the program I wanted to in school. I dropped out 2 months before the end of the semester, she found out in a matter of days. I was incredibly embarrassed because she was a much better student than me. It's been over 25 years, but I still carry shame from it.

[@christinahek]

@@markipelagogogo We’re all human and experience shame and embarrassment. That’s why most good people lie. What matters is how you respond to inevitable setbacks and face reality. It sounds like you bounced back and made amends. This situation, on the other hand, sounds deeply not normal.

[@Aiisshhaaa]

Nursing school isn’t cheap. Where’s that money being spent on?! If he’s funding the schooling he has a right to go to the registrar office and get information.

[@Slurrpee]

I feel sorry for this guy. I understand shaking him into action but I hope it’s not the catastrophe being described. I hope this is her only lie! Whatever your “or what” you better go through with it!

[@KatrinaLeFrancois]

Sounds crazy, why hasn’t he confronted her sooner? Dude! Run!

[@ztker]

get me a ticket off this crazy planet

[@sueblack5794]

People lie on their resumes all the time about degrees they have earned. Employers don't check so they just keep lying.

[@ivonned32]

well it all starts from within our selves. Cant change any planet! unless we change our selves. Might as well stay! 😂

[@ztker]

@@ivonned32 unfortunately not everyone has the insight or willingness to change ! therefore i want off this crazy train !!

[@LiliColungaNuovoArt]

@@ivonned32well said

[@MJSmurf]

First caller should drop an AirTag in her purse or backpack or car. See where she goes for a week or 2

[@therocinante3443]

Ugghhh she has a boyfriend she's been going to "visit" while she's supposed to be at school. What else could it be?

[@meganchambers8108]

To be honest the idea that she's just sitting in a coffee shop or even just in her car in the parking garage for HOURS -- I have known a liar like this and I fully believe this could be the case. Sitting for hours in boredom just to perpetuate the lie is not unheard of for these people.

[@maryellendoran8806]

Did she fail a class and was embarassed to tell you? If you fail certain nursing courses, you have to retake the class before you can move to the next semester. It is not uncommon to fail a class. Nursing school is very hard. I had a family member who entered nursing school with 80 students. Only 40 graduated. This is not uncommon.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

This sounds like some weird personality disorder situation where they'll tell you all sorts of tall tales that make no sense

[@sds6303]

Sounds a bit like psychopathy to me

[@ammasown1]

Graduating from Nursing school was one of the proudest moments of my adult life. There’s no way I would not have shared my transcripts, Dean’s list, graduation! She should be able to show her Nursing License by now, you can go on the State Board of Nursing for your State and verify her licensure.

[@jaaxoon]

One of my childhood friends is a compulsive liar. I try to be there for him but can’t help but keep a safe distance.

[@micheleharvey3930]

Minus ALL the SERIOUS issues on today's show, my favorite part of John's podcasts are the times he interacts with Kelly.

[@sueblack5794]

I love Kelly and personality. John needs someone like her for sure running the place.

[@heatherleigh4630]

I think I have watched way too many true crime and dark documentaries. As I see, people that lie to this extent about education and careers, usually go far enough to harm friends and loved ones when they figure out their lies. So scary!

[@cur244]

A lot of people feel pressure to get a degree and think their spouse/family won't respect them if they don't.

[@zachwallace8274]

The first lady snowballed herself about something bigger. I'd be really concerned about infidelity.

[@christinahek]

Yeah. Where was she? She needs to account for the time. And he needs to look at his lack of engagement with his life. “I was working so…” He’s so buried in work that he doesn’t notice her lying about her whereabouts multiple times per week for over a year? Either she’s an Olympic deceiver or he’s not plugged in.

[@12yearssober]

The first guy was in Cincinnati. No surprise there. That city is full of crazy ones!!

[@yvonnesingle8615]

Hugs and prayers to the caller named Abby. 🤗 🙏 Praise to Doctor Delony for sharing so much compassion, insight, and wonderful advice with her. 💞

[@nikstar1313]

John’s high octaves are hilarious 😂

[@chateaumojo]

People often lie because they are afraid or ashamed or they think they have to lie to cover up other, previous lies. If you are sympathetic instead of playing "gotchya," you might take the pressure off her to where she can tell the truth. Or she might be a jerk lying about all kinds of stuff. Hire a private detective for a couple of days, maybe.

[@angiedavis2447]

I used to tell my daughter "I love you enough to let you hate me".

[@jobeingjo-j9y]

I watch a lot of true crime, two cases come to mind where the son had a friend murder his family because he faked going to school, but his father escaped, and another where the husband killed his wife and baby because he lied about medical school. He went home to England. I pray that the man who's wife is lying about becoming a nurse is okay and has taken the wise advice he was given

[@shirlstemple8741]

He’s married to a pathological liar who doesn’t have the decency to say: “nursing school was really hard and I couldn’t commit to it”. If she can keep this type of lie together for years, she’s dangerous. He needs to run!

[@Iamjennilee]

Caller lf you are listening. GET A DIVORCE!

[@Nayahpooh012]

This is a lie worthy of ending the entire relationship if she doesn’t come clean. To go this far, shows a lot about her character.

[@janetmorecraft2206]

Stop playing nice nice. You are enabling her demand she show you evidence and then seek counseling for her concocted story.

[@marys6710]

Abby, thank you for caring so much. I hope your friend seeks the care they need.

[@SpicyBricy]

My sister did similar to first caller's wife. She didn't have an end game because she had decided to end her life, which she did this past September. I hope his situation ends well. ❤

[@HelloHappyOne]

That’s exactly what I was thinking. I hope there can be some compassion in this web of lies. Not that he has to stay with her, but she obviously has a bigger issue. Needs help fast!

[@ronhall5395]

Why would she lie about this? She must have flunked out and is terrified to admit that to even her husband. I wouldn't just walk out on her but she needs some derious help. Why does she not trust her own husband? Could be she is just a liar and always has been. In that case walk. I suspectshe is very much terrified pf failure and cannot accept her own failures in life.

[@sueblack5794]

Yeah wouldn't at all be surprised if she flunked out.

[@Stripesheal18]

The last message was a train wreck... thank God Kelly was there to add sanity 😂😂😂

[@melisandra2738]

I am the same as the second person. I am so grateful for this call.

[@jeffblalock6326]

My childhood was pretty good. Also, I consistently wished my parents would divorce and I ran away all the time.

[@alyross2850]

I’m guessing they didn’t divorce? If that’s the case, you may have been wishing for something you didn’t fully understand. The fighting doesn’t stop just because they aren’t living together.

[@julieellis7288]

There was a show about a girl who did that who ended up murdering her parents. If she’s lying about something that big, I can only imagine what else she’s lying about.

[@samh5218]

I work in higher ed including in role where I investigates academic integrity and fin aid fraud cases. I’ve seen this way too often.

[@zanakaysag3839]

Wow

I am generally a negative person.... I crieeeed... I'm trying to be better but things are so hard when you're trying to please people....

[@Chet_24]

Weird. Im doing the opposite atm. Im doing an MBA and keeping it on the down low.

[@heycoacheva]

Abby, you're an incredible friend. So much strength to you.

[@julieann2315]

I'd be more worried about why she didn't feel like she could talk about it with you. I'd understand if she felt she needed to keep up appearances with strangers, but with ppl , who should she feel safe with??? Most likely, she started to fail or failed a hurdle assessment. As soon as you find out, it would be good to find a lower qualification like a nurse assistant and support her to start working. I've seen a few ppl banging their heads on a closed door cos they let their identity get caught up in a certain degree they can't finish.

[@jasonleatherwood2172]

My ex did the same thing so weird turns out she was either at her moms house or shopping for hours i could not prove any cheating it was so weird she said she was scared i would be mad at her for dropping out

[@absolutelyridiculous6743]

Holy. Cow. This is HUGE. You cannot trust someone who lies and covers to this extent, especially since it affects not only the marriage but the income and stability of the union. Wow. Just....WOW.

[@enesys]

People that can come up with such big lies are very dangerous. He should be worried for his life. I wouldn’t even want to live in the same house with someone after discovering lies especially one this big.

[@bettysmith4527]

WOW, just WOOOOOW! This is so illegal to claim you are a nurse when you are not or that you went to nursing school when you did not!!

[@IcexQueen19]

Hahahah illegal?

[@bettysmith4527]

@@IcexQueen19 Yes, it's extremely illegal to tell people you graduated from nursing school when you did not!

[@IcexQueen19]

@ no it is not.

[@ethan4048]

No it’s not. It might be illegal if she tried to get a job with a fake degree but lies are legal

[@mone4075]

This guy doesn’t ask his woman questions so she just told him whatever.

[@mary_jane47]

If she lies about that she'll definitely cheat and lie and say the baby yours lol

[@rwither1]

She’s for sure having an affair as well

[@kellyturner4571]

I NEED an update on the first call. That was wild.

[@yesindeed5637]

18:34 is where the ad stops

[@rockerwoman]

THANK YOU 😮‍💨

[@deamon506]

John, first caller knows she’s lying you don’t have to keep questioning where she’s going lol. He’s asking what the next steps are.

[@Lana-dy7hq]

Right he even sd that's why I'm calling

[@kerisallee3038]

27:19 that is exactly what I was thinking … based on what she has said … she is DEFINITELY not a 1 or 0 !

[@Nayahpooh012]

It’s one thing to not tell him immediately that she dropped out, but a whole year?! A person who can lie this bad is the type of person to commit murder and maintain their innocence all the way through trial and their life sentence without any remorse or regret.

[@marc2638]

Lying is not good on any level for any reason. People with low value and no character lie period!!!

[@gingerwong1892]

MICHAEL, YOU LOVE HER? You don't even know who this person is! Run!

[@rudymalizia8842]

Just referring to her friend as "they" shows how she's playing into the insanity, vs confront it or lead the friend to professional help.

[@amyridley3926]

Run like you're on fire!

[@AndreFerreira-xw2vo]

She's cheating... Definitely

[@janetmorecraft2206]

Listening to the sky frustrates the hell out of me. He’s being so wimpy and going along with this ruse.

[@tinam761]

People ( me included) want to believe the lies sometimes, we are oblivious sometimes, because we already trust them and people in general are not “all” bad … so we’ve seen the “good” side and it’s difficult to marry all the sides of a person that has lied to us in such dramatic ways.

[@janetmorecraft2206]

@ that’s true but eventually it catches up to you . Better get to the truth and face reality , get thru it to the other side .

[@deadshot8077]

I don’t think it’s fair to call him “wimpy”. He loves her and doesn’t want to believe she’s this insane. Also deep down he probably knows or suspects where she’s been spending all that time.

[@dogood2848]

He'd learn the hard way like me. He'd better heed the warning now. Especially, a liar spouse is an enemy of progress.

[@tblck90]

I will admit I lied about getting a tattoo when I didn’t get one. To be truthful I did end up getting it just was a week later and the lady hadn’t see me yet. I was 19. This is just ridiculous right here

[@papabeard7705]

The bigger question on the first call that I see as they were together for 11 years before they got married what the hell?

[@victorialombardi]

Bingo

[@DiaNile]

A lie that big is crazy! Either he is paranoid with delusions or she is has something major wrong with her. Either way, someone is unsafe to be around in this state!

[@robsgirl7778]

Wow ithat 2nd call, was an eye opener to me. So much insight into my own childhood

[@zoiefinnian3540]

To me as well..

[@3Torts]

Shout out to the 3rd caller who isn't getting any attention in the comments. Tough position to be in when someone you care about is going through the dark end. Great call.

[@juliahanson7499]

If she ever, somehow, gets a job requiring a degree and state registration: call the police. What if she actually gave patients medications? Jail time!

[@sveng3192]

Back in the 80's we had a starting class in Law degree of 500. By the Third Year, we were 32! This included repeaters!

[@CathiBlack-j7h]

This really hit home for me, at 78.

[@Rae2492]

His wife is lying about other things too.

[@Magdalene952]

Sounds like Michael's wife is a professional liar. She got her degree in BS (not Bachelor's of Science). I could see if she said to him, "look I failed school. I wasn't doing well and I was embarrassed to tell everyone." I think I could have more respect for her. The fact that she tries to manipulate and gaslight her husband is just bizarre. Something is going on with her and if he's going to get out, he should do it now before he's too far in and kids get involved.

[@danielleamory5428]

He doesn't want to believe what he's seeing.

[@mistermanman]

My ex lied about being injured in combat in Iraq. I found out later he had never even been in the military.