Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism

[@STRvideos]

For more on Greg’s view of dispensationalism, see rsn.pub/48Neh9X.

[@WhiteCrayonComposer]

I think I would agree with John MacArthur who calls himself a "leaky dispensationalist." Dispensationalism gets some things right, but has a number of issues. In some dispensational camps they would say that we should only read certain books in the Bible which were for gentiles while the Jews should read the other books. Some would even say that the sermon on the mount was for Jews and not gentiles, and some would even suggest that there is a separate gospel for Jews and gentiles. I do not agree with any of these ideas. However, I think it is hard to deny that God still has a plan for the literal nation of ethnic Israel. I believe that covenant theology gets it right in regard to the fact that the same gospel that saves gentiles also saves the Jews. There is no separate gospel. However, covenant theology seems to fall flat because it seems to completely miss the most obvious point which is that Israel is literally a nation again. A lot of covenant theology folks seem to think there is no significance to the fact that Israel is literally a nation again. But I think it is undeniably significant. If God was truly done with the nation of Israel and had no future plans for them since they crucified Jesus, then why didn't God simply let them become extinct like the Moabites, the Hittites, the Amorites, etc. There have been so many attempts down through the ages by different nations to annihilate the Jews. But no one can seem to stamp them out. Is this a coincidence? I don't think so. God isn't done with them.

[@jigztv2670]

simply coz they are the choosen people

[@SSNBN777]

I believe, from Scripture, that He has destroyed the collective nation of Israel forever, but He wasn't done with them yet, leaving THE DOOR open for individual Jews to come out of unbelief and into faith in Messiah. Jesus prophesied the complete destruction of the Temple, City and people in 70 AD (as was written in Daniel 9). If He hadn't stopped them, the Roman soldiers would have killed every Jew. The new Israel is a U.N. appointed state which has multi-religions, is multi-racial and multi-ethnic. The Temple was replaced with the Dome of the Rock, no shock since Paul told us Jerusalem went into bondage with Hagar's children, the Arabs, after Jesus died, no longer having the exclusive birthright to the land. Deuteronomy 28:63-65 KJV *And it shall come to pass,* _that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you;_ *so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you,* _and to bring you to nought;_ *and ye shall be plucked from off the land* whither thou goest to possess it. [64] *And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other;* _and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known,_ even wood and stone. [65] *And among these nations shalt thou find no ease,* _neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest:_ *but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:* Galatians 4:24-25. … *for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar.* [25] Galatians 4:25 For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia,... *Jerusalem … is in bondage with her children.* Revelation 11:8 KJV … *the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,* where also our Lord was crucified. Dan 9:27 …and for the …abominations *he shall make it desolate,* _even until the consummation,_ *and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.* Matthew 23:37-38 KJV *_O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,_* thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,... [38] *Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.* Romans 11:23 KJV … *if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in:* _for God is able to graff them in again._

[@neoturfmasterMVS]

@@jigztv2670 I'm more on the Covenant Theology side. Only those found in Christ are the chosen people of God. Be it this includes Abraham, as Jesus speaks of people looking forward to his day. The author of Hebrews speaking of the people who died in faith, having not had the promises fulfilled during their lives, of primary the coming of the Messiah. Take it this way. This idea that there needs to be a National Israel. The understand is the Kingdom of Christ is a true nation of God. Jesus is King today, his Kingdom has come, he is not waiting to rule, he is the Lord and King of his people today. I'll say it just one more way and leave it at this: There are not two chosen nations, two chosen people: National Israel and the Kingdom of Jesus. There is only one nation of God, King Jesus is ruler and his people are citizen of his nation by adaption, living today as sojourners and ambassadors of his Kingdom now. The only nation to come, to pray for, commanded by Jesus is His Kingdom. Thats why Christian say, "Your Kingdom come..." We don't pray the Nation of Israel come or return. We seek King Jesus return.

[@forgiven2812]

Israel and the land go together because that was the Covenant God made to Abraham. It's an Eternal Promise. The Church was a mystery in the Old Testament. She didn't come into focus until Pentecost. There are three distinct groups today (2023 A.D.). The Jews, the Gentiles and the Church. The Father will inform the Son to go and collect His Bride (Rapture). She will return with Jesus when He reigns on the throne of David for one thousand years. This is the Millennial Kingdom of no war and the lion will lie down with the lamb. Satan will be bound and unable to seduce or tempt.

[@neoturfmasterMVS]

@@forgiven2812 "For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring." -Saint Paul True Israel are the true off spring of Abraham. A people. Therefore there remains only one People of God, the true off spring of Abraham, those found in Christ by adoption as sons and daughters of the living God. Just as there is only the True Sabbath Rest found in God. Not the shadow, which wasn't true rest. Nor the total of all the people who followed Moses out of Egypt, for many where cut off and accursed, not true descendants of Abraham, not Israel rightly understood. For they will never enter His Rest.

[@thereisnofear_1Jn418]

I contend that those who hold to a future status for a nation state of Israel have failed to understand who Jesus is. When viewed through the New Testament lens of the prophet like Moses (Acts 3:22, 7:37) and the fulfilment of the Isaianic New Exodus, we see that the New Testament writers saw Jesus as the one through whom all of the prophetic expectations were being realized. Despite the attempts of many to identify a place for a third temple in the pages of the NT, there is simply no such space available, because the entirety of the role and purpose of the temple has been fully realized and superseded in Jesus, expressed by his church, and empowered by the the glory (shekinah) of the Holy Spirit. That's what Pentecost was all about. It's true that Paul holds out a place for the Jewish people in Romans, but he does not portend the re-establishment of the nation state. The OT expectation is for the re-establishment of the throne of David. That is the moment of prophetic realization. Luke is abundantly clear that the Davidic throne has been fully occupied now by the resurrected Jesus.

[@neoturfmasterMVS]

Amen, Jesus fulfills the role as Priest, Prophet, and King. There is no else one can look to. No one can reestablish the old temple and offer sacrifice of bulls and goats for the forgiveness of sin. We as Christian could never support or encourage Jews to do this, to reestablish the former nation state of Israel as it was. Jesus is King sitting on the thrown of David. The Kingdom of Christ is the true nation of God, in which all of God's people are found, including Jews (as Jesus says of Abraham seeing His day and looking forward to it). As Jesus also says of David calling his future son (by flesh) his Lord. Those throughout all time have been saved by faith in God's provision, His Messiah, we today looking back at what Christ has done, others like Abraham looking forward in faith to what He will do.

[@John5.24]

Shekinah is a feminine word, not found in the Bible.

[@ZeroESG.goopootoob]

I think there is plenty of room for both/and, with Jesus at the helm.

[@mikingaus]

I 100% agree.

[@kadyrov3218]

I don't think there is. "Christian" zionists, I have noticed, have absolutely no care or concern for the plight of any Palestinians INCLUDING Palestinian Christians. I see "Christian" zionists even wishing Netenyahu would exterminate all Palestinians including children

[@ArtVandelay-ImporterExporter]

The crucial question is, how did the NT author's, under the inspiration of the Holy Srpiti interpret those national promises? For instance in Acts 2 Peter refers to the resurrection/ascension of Christ to the right hand of God as fulfilling God's prophecy in 2 Sam that the Messiah would sit on David's throne. He's on it now in heaven. It wasnt about an earthly throne in Jerusalem.

[@jayfoulke2903]

That's just it, Davids thrown of which was promised to David, was not in heaven in order for Jesus to fulfill that Davidic covenant .... the kingdom must be literal, He is not ruling the nations with a Rod of Iron now, is He ? is this Gods will being done on earth as it is in heaven

[@rahelhorvat1471]

@@jayfoulke2903 yes, this is why this last dispensation doesn't apply to Israel, but to the house of Judah, this is what most of these dispensationalist got it wrong. God is done with Israel on the cross, and now they can be saved same as gentiles.

[@MadebyKourmoulis]

@@jayfoulke2903 "is God's will being done" It can be done by those who believe. Something everyone seems to miss.

[@larryhoward880]

The kingdom has come it's leavening the loaf and it is the mustard seed. He said he has all authority.

[@SeraphsWitness]

I'm not sure why that's the "crucial question". That seems to have very little practical effect on the Christian life.

[@pgdavis2]

Respectfully but completely disagree. I'd love to see references to specific verses that support this...surprised at the lack of that by such an intelligent man. Paul made it clear that Abrahams seed is singular not plural - the way Israel blesses the nations is through Jesus (Gal 3:16). Parable of vineyard makes it clear the nation of Israel would no longer be God's vehicle to bless the nations but the "kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it" (Matthew 21:43) - the Church is that kingdom of priests now (Rev 1:6). God's land promise (albeit a conditional promise based on obedience which was not kept by Israel, like ever) to Abraham was completely fulfilled as per Joshua 21:43-45. Jesus "bound" Satan at his first coming according to his own words in Matt 12:29. The term bind doesn't mean Satan is completely inactive, just handicapped to the extent Jesus is able to free his captives (release them from bondage to sin) The only verse in the Bible that mentions a millennium is Rev 20:3 which even describes this "binding" as being shut up - he no longer has a legit argument against man - we are acquitted by the blood of Jesus. The millennium - a figurative concept meaning a long time - began when Jesus ascended and was given all authority. Dispensationalism requires so much speculation and the answers are quite clear when you really read the text. And I do genuinely respect Greg but this is just not a good argument.

[@pgdavis2]

To expand on Greg's reference to "neither Jew nor Greek" in Galatians 3:29 Paul goes on to explain that "if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." God's promise to Abraham was to his seed (Jesus) not some future resurrected secular geo-political nation Israel.

[@chardeman59]

Outstanding presentation. Very Biblical and very clear. Thank you so much.

[@oddfellow831]

Finally someone who agrees with my view!!! Thank you, Sir!!!

[@pastorjimwalls5924]

After twenty four years of Pastoral ministry I think this is the best short explanation of the differences between Covenant Theology & Dispensationalism that I've ever heard. I recently preached a short series called ' The Rise and Fall of World Powers ' from Daniel 2:9-21 & Daniel 4:16-17. My overall goal was to show our church that God is Not only sovereign in the salvation of the lost but that his sovereignty extends to Nations rising and falling. In Daniel 4:16-17, Daniel hammers home the truth that God will even raise up wicked leaders for His divine purpose. If you follow the doctrine of divine sovereignty to it's Biblical & logical conclusion there is absolutely no legitimate way to downplay the rebirth of National Israel in 1948. One cannot embrace a given doctrine in a Theological vaccum. God Is sovereign over the Nations, especially National Israel.

[@staza1]

Very helpful. Thank you! I have been studying this a lot lately and listening to everyone I can. Still trying to decide what I believe. Both of you point seem reasonable to me. Praying for discernment.

[@nberrios777]

What does “all Israel” mean? Romans 9 says, It is not as though God’s word [the Gospel] had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Therefore, can “all Israel” be all of the elect Jews throughout the church age and a larger number of Jews before the second advent of Christ? Of course.

[@Powerslave-gi7nx]

Check out 'Larry T Smith Lesson 1'. Be blessed.

[@douglaspinsak1246]

This is why I am only a "Christian". I am not a Weslayan, or a Calvinist, or an Arminian or dispensationalist, etc. I read the Bible, I believe the Bible, I largely understand the Bible. I agree with Calvin on some things but not all things, I agree with dispensationalists on some things but not all things--it seems foolish to me to take on these various titles and ideologies. Just be a "Christian" and forget about all these other labels.

[@TheJpep2424]

Problem with that is there are many people that call themselves Bible believing christians that believe different things and interpret the same scripture differently. Thats why those labels define what you believe.

[@douglaspinsak1246]

@@TheJpep2424 But now you are backed into a corner where a given ideology could have 10 beliefs, and you agree with 5 of them, but now you feel compelled to agree with the other 5 so that you line up with the ideology completely even though you only actually agree with half of what it states. It is not difficult at all to just ask someone a specific question: "Hey, do you think all Jews go to heaven?", or "Hey, do you think salvation is different during the tribulation?", or whatever. Not to mention a lot of these competing theologies have so many adherents because both positions have some degree of merit. A person can identify as a Calvinist because of the notion of election and predestination that comes up throughout scripture, but then you have all of the free-will verses in scripture that you now have to ignore, and you even have 2 Peter 1:10 which indicates that you play a role in being deemed one of the elect ("wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"). From my experience most of these labels end up causing more problems than they solve. Specific questions followed with specific answers will tell you much more than a label will. Ask someone what they think about free will and pre-determination rather than asking if they are a Calvinist or an Arminian.

[@endtimeswriter]

I am very similar to you. Any doctrine named after a man is not really embraced by me. I take the scripture and what it clearly says and avoid interpretations that contradict the plain teaching of scripture. While that is basic to understanding the Bible it is so often not followed by believers. God will sort us all out when we will see more clearly in his full Kingdom.

[@douglaspinsak1246]

Amen!

[@ethanstrunk7698]

@@douglaspinsak1246 this is a novel position but really "no creed but Christ" is just "no creed but mine".

[@alex3475]

Brethren as it is often said; on essential issues we can not differ, on nonessential issues (such as this one) we can differ but let everything be done in purity. You can never go to hell bcoz you embraced covenant theology instead of dispensationalism and visa versa.

[@madoso11]

Avez vous sonder tout les recoins de cette théologie, j'en doute car vous verriez combien elle est démoniaque. Au contraire, il ne faut pas la banaliser mais la dénoncer avec vigueur . Elle prêche un évangile différent de celui de la bible et ceux qui font ça ont une malédiction sur la tête Gal 1:6-9

[@erikkenrick5791]

As one firmly reformed in my soteriology I want so badly to be covenantal in my greater theological view but Romans 11 and the O.T. prophets won't let me remove some kind of distinction between national Israel and the church...

[@dmthighway]

+Erik Kenrick O. Palmer Robertson 'The Christ of the Covenants'

[@yeoberry]

Romans 11 says that there is one olive tree (people of God) and that all people, including Jews, are only part of it through faith in Christ.

[@markrogers7546]

Hahaha! That's really annoying when the Bible interferes with your theology!!

[@yeoberry]

Please! You're the dispensationalist who refuses to accept what the Word of God says about the true Israel, who mindlessly repeats the dispensationalist mantra that contradicts Romans 9:6, etc. Answer some questions: Here are some questions for dispensationalists: 1. Why do dispensationalists insert a gap before Daniel's 70th week when nothing in Daniel 9 suggests such a gap and the purpose of a time frame disallows it? 2. How can dispensationalists insert a gap into a passage that doesn't have it and claim they are interpreting the Bible "literally"? 3. 1 Corinthians 15 says the rapture will happen at "the last trumpet" but Revelation speaks of 7 trumpets during the tribulation. How can the rapture be before the tribulation then? 4. The Lord Jesus said that "in the world you will have tribulation" (John 16:33) and then prayed that He doesn't want the church taken out of the world (John 17:15). How can there be a pretribulation rapture Jesus prayed against? 5. Hebrews 1 and other passages tell us the last days began with Christ. Why do dispensationalists believe they may not have begun yet? 6. The Lord Jesus said that His casting out demons was proof that the Kingdom of God had come on earth. Why do dispensationalists not believe Him? 7. The Lord Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world and that it begins like a mustard seed and a little bit of yeast. Why do dispensationalists say His Kingdom is like David's? 8. Jesus said that John the Baptist fulfilled the promise of Elijah. Why don't dispensationalists believe Him? 9. Peter said that Pentecost fulfilled Joel 2 prophesy of moon turn to blood, etc. but dispensationalists say the prophesy still hasn't been fulfilled. Why do they reject what Peter said inspired by the Holy Spirit? 10. Dispensationalists say that if the Old Testament promises to Israel are fulfilled by the church then "dispensationalism is condemned". Why don't they admit that Hebrews 8 shows the church fulfilling the new covenant promises of Jeremiah 31 and therefore dispensationalism is condemned? There's many more but that will do for now.

[@ernieclark]

Here is your answer: (KJV) Galatians 3:16" Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ." The promises were to Jesus and not the nation of Jews. The Jews thought it was about them and not Jesus. God destroyed the nation of Jews because of their false view. Zionism is heresy against the Word of God and the kingdom of God.

[@ceruleanblue09]

Finally! I'm so glad you explained what monergism and synergism are in one sentence! It made it much easier to understand.

[@Templetonq]

and to see how repugnant monergism is.

[@trinitybaptistchurch1888]

@@Templetonq Amen!

[@todddale7041]

Amen brother!!! As a deacon in a Reformed Baptist Church I find myself one of the few who embraces God’s prophetic promises to Israel will be fulfilled 😊❤️

[@terrybellowes908]

After being saved over 40 years and an active Christian, it was not until I was given notice by my doctor of a fatal disease I found the HUGE differences between God's people. I know the bible says in the end times there will be deceivers and liars, but suddenly I have found some of my most trusted teachers grabbing onto doctrine I could never dream up using scripture alone. I am not accusing this man - I recognize most of what he is saying from other teachers in the past. To be clear: I believe in the bible as the inspired Word of God, and most translations say, at least thought for thought, the same thing. I have a parallel bible where I can check unusual wording. My only point is the world is not killing the church - it has, historically thrived during persecution. I am afraid we are tearing ourselves apart from within. Some doctrine must be upheld, but most now seems to be infighting on in house debates. I feel I am watching the church implode from non issues. Please don't think I am taking a position against the traditional church - Pre trib, post trib, mid trib - Calvin, Luther - we must be wise and search the scripture as the Berean's did, but lets choose our battles very carefully. I consider myself a non denominational Protestant Christian. In our town there are about 12 churches, and I cannot find true agreement even on a superficial level with any of them. I did not write this to correct the speaker or teach anything new - I just fear we may be veering from the clear teachings of the bible on in house issues. We need to use our time wisely - it is running out.

[@Joshcaldwell24]

Terry Bellowes I agree. but I wish I could understand revelations more I'm having a back and forth with a friend on preterist vs futurist. I'm a futurist right now but I'm open minded I just want to hear good logic on why to believe that way

[@terrybellowes908]

As I stated, I have been saved and studied the scripture for the better part or 40 years, but there is one thing I learned late in life, and it bears remembering in this situation. I have no idea how to answer your question because I am not sure of what the terms really mean, much less how the people using them mean them. I could go on for hours answering questions, but have no clue what the two sides are trying to say. I do believe there is wisdom in knowing the scriptures and learning basic doctrine, but there is also wisdom in being able to admit we don't know the answer .I stand strong on this point, which I suspect you both would agree: Accept Jesus as your Savior and Lord - say it and live it, and you will be saved. I don't have the Romans passage handy, but it goes "If you confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord", and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." When doctrine helps clarify what we should do, it is very useful. When it confuses people to the point they don't know what they believe, that's the down side.If you give me a little more information on how these words are being used, and how they affect your faith, I will be happy to research it for you and try to give you a reasoned response. I feel the same way about all the bible translations - Some help bring out the original language a little better, but they confuse people, and then non Christians point to the number of translations to claim our word is corrupted. I compare them, and most are thought for thought the same, but more English words can clarify a meaning of a text, or just make a mess of it. Contact me anytime. I think we may have a lot in common.

[@Joshcaldwell24]

Terry Bellowes he believes revelations already happened that Nero was the Antichrist and that God is slowly going to make the world better eventually into God's ideal world. The story of Nero sounds close to the Antichrist but I just don't believe he was the one the Bible talks about. Where there will be a one world religion and government and a war that is so bad Jesus himself has to come down to stop the war that would be his second coming. But how could Jesus have already had a second coming if the world is still so imperfect? Where do you stand on revelations?

[@Joshcaldwell24]

Terry Bellowes I the the preterist comes from being a Calvinist I'm not sure exactly what they believe but I know he claims he is one and believes everything in Revelation already happened

[@nberrios777]

May God heal you my brother, and carry out His will in your life. I understand your concern, and it is unfortunate but these issues are not as non-essential as most think. Dispensationalism (semi-pelageanism) robs God of His sovereignty and places man’s final destiny in his hands and not God. At the second council of Orange, such teachings were declared heretical. Like Jude wrote, we must contend for the faith (expose false teaching to protect Biblical-based doctrines).

[@4096x]

"You are a holy nation a royal priesthood" - talking to Christians. Christ ONLY is the recipient of the promises, those who are in him ONLY will benefit from them. There is nothing else.

[@bairdsley]

Holy nation and royal priesthood ion prophecy is to do with the nation of isreal on the earth . We are today in a nations gospel . This is not covenant or according to o.t prophecy it's the mystery in eph that the nations should be co heirs of the same body . Peter was writing as the apostal of the circumcision to the Jews scattered . Paul was our apostle of reconciliation and in the last 3 prison epistles he writes from a point of view of mystery not prophecy as isreal were set aside .

[@yeoberry]

1 Peter 2:9 is addressed to Christians.

[@markrogers7546]

4096x - WHAAAAT!!!?? No.... Not talking to Christians. Do you know the difference between the Old and the New Testaments??

[@yeoberry]

1 Peter 2:9 takes the promises to the Old Testament people of God and applies them to the church. It does that because there is ONE people of God for all time. Believe the Word of God instead of your man-made theology.

[@PlanetTrainWreck]

Your post is more insightful than the video I think I didn't finish the video to verbose

But first it's necessary to properly define "nation". I think there is a misunderstanding about the definition. "Nation" and "country" are not synonymous. Nation: is relatated to a people who share the same culture, traditions and values; Country or State: a distinct entity in political geography with a defined territory. When a nation of people has an independent State it is often called a nation-state. But a nation do not imply a country/State, there are nations without territory or self-government, for example the Kurds or the Jews (during the diasporas). In my opinion, the church is a nation, but without a specific territory (unless you're a Catholic so Vatican can be your nation-state). We are the people/nation of God, we are Israel. Our political fulfillment is the Kingdom of God through all the earth.

[@loremipsum7471]

Interesting comment coming from a woman. When I first heard a friend talk about God's covenant with Israel today and in the future, I immediately asked who are Jews. Are Jews genetically Jews or national Jews? Ha[f Jews? Mixed Jews? Converted Gentiles to Judaism such as Sammy Davis Jr? Or are Jews actually Christians? Or those living within the borders of Israel? Some say Jews today are not of the same race as Jesus and are imposters...

lorem ipsum , according to the Bible, jews are those of the tribe of Juda. The Messiah should come from this tribe, from the root of David. After Jesus, the veil was torn and the temple in Jerusalem lost its importance. Even the definition of "jewish people" was corrupted. In my humble opinion, those are some of the evidences for the covenant theology.

[@yeoberry]

The Apostle Paul wrote that a true Jew is not outward (i.e. based on ancestry) but inward, based on faith. See Romans 2.

[@Alwizcaliteach]

@@loremipsum7471 Hasn't Judaism always accepted converts? So in the O.T., if someone wanted to, they could become a Jew. If many people converted to Judaism in an area (which happened) and then moved to Israel when it became a nation, who is to say to the true converts, "no, you are not a Jew." ?

[@SeraphsWitness]

It would seem strange, then, that God would distinguish between literal tribes in Revelation. Surely the church does not have tribes as literal Israel did.

[@michaelnaak]

I'm not sure that this contrast is necessary. I'm covenantal (small c) because I hold to the Covenant of Grace while also believing that God will do something with Isreal in the end while holding to post-tribulation pre-millennialism (historic premill). That is why I don't call myself Covenantal or Dispensational, but I fall in the wildly diverse realm of New Covenant.

[@AcousticSounds-fj5ot]

I am not a dispensationalist, but I actually agree with the biggest part of your explanation here. Great job on seeking to be honest with the text.

[@davethunselle9452]

Thank you clear thinking. I was introduced to CR Stams writings in my early 20s. Dispensational thought. No one man’s writings are completely correct, but both yours and his explanation seem to seek the simple logic of God’s narrative of Grace being offered through Israel’s prophesied messiah, after Israel’s rejection Jesus, Israel breaking their covenant with God, God revealed the mystery of the Body of Christ through Paul; providing Grace and salvation to all, not only Israel. Simply ingenious on God’s part. Israel’s failure translated into an offer of Grace to all of us. Makes me love God even more.

[@justanother240]

This is the same mistake the Jews made when they wanted Jesus to become their king and lead them in their rebellion against Rome. Most have yet to learn that 2000 year old lesson.

[@stevebrandau9300]

I believe in a future restoration of Israel but that is a minor part of the discussion between Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism. Making the discussion about Israel misses the important parts of the discussion.

[@susannanel9385]

Both these theologies have their problems. Very good to recognize God’s faithfulness and continued plans for national Israel even when she is unfaithful. Highly recommending looking into “Promised Plan” theology (Walter Kaiser). Gentiles neither replace Israel, neither are separate from Israel, but are grafted into the remnant of Israel (those who are saved from Israel by faith in the Promised One). We become part of God’s people by faith in the finished work of the Messiah . One flock with one Shepherd.

[@canadiankewldude]

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[@beaglehawk50]

Glad to see someone defending dispensationalism here. I'm still looking for a convincing explanation of Eph 2:20 from a covenant position. Seems the church began in NT times and did not exist in the OT.

[@nberrios777]

Covenant theology teaches that Israel was a type (a shadow) of the new testament church. “All” of the NT church members had gifts and a more clear understanding of Scripture by the power of the Holy Spirit.

[@arthurfleck42]

If you've come here from looking up about the history of Israel, just wanted to add to what Greg mentioned. There seems to be a confusion about the current State of Israel and it's territorial tussle vs. the covenanted descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The current nation as we know it is pretty much pagan in its ways, and being an Israeli (citizen of Israel) does not make one an Israelite (of the 12 tribes). I agree with Greg, that the prophecies of the OT prophets is for the future restoration of Israel in the MK when Christ, the Lion of Judah returns to rule from the throne of David in Jerusalem and the national identity of Israel consisting of the 12 tribes and the Promised Land shall be restored and finally peace on earth.

[@randyroth3435]

Although Darby (circa 1830) may not have originated the doctrines of dispensationalism, and rapturist, he is known as the father of them because he popularized them. Both of these doctrines divide and conquer the direct gospel. Dispensationalism attempts to destroy the teachings of Jesus, by telling us that we are in a dispensation of Paul and not that of Christ. Paul uses the word dispensation 4 times in his writings... dispensation comes from the verb "dispense" where we get our paper towel dispensers etc. Paul was merely stating that this is the gospel that he was given to dispense. However, Darby uses this term and created a division of "dispensational eras". Teaching that Abraham and Moses were in different dispensations and therefore Paul created a doctrine of salvation by grace through faith. Paul however tells us in Romans 4 that both Abraham and David were also saved by grace through faith. Salvation comes through total surrender... that is what Jesus taught... the Pearl of Great Price, the Treasure in a Field, the Rich Young Ruler...etc. Paul never taught anything different... however the dispensationalist teaching falls into what Jude warns about: Wicked men turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness. ....thus the reason Jude continues ...that we must earnestly contend for what Jesus first taught us. Paul taught no differently.... although because the dispensationalist have turned the grace of our God into lasciviousness... the concept of grace is changed. Paul taught that by "grace" we are saved... saved means no longer walking in the old habits. So if we are saved from a vice... say smoking... we no longer engage in smoking. The false teaching of grace in this "age of grace" falls more into the category that declares salvation by God turning a blind eye to sin... therefore someone isn't saved from smoking (no longer a habit) but that God no longer notices it. I’ll paint you another picture.... the Rich Young Ruler comes to Jesus (Luke 18:18) and asks Him how to be saved.... Jesus first gives him some of the 10 commandments... and then continues to tell him personally the message of total surrender, "Go, sell everything you have and give it to the poor and come follow me..." He went away sorrowful, because he was wealthy. The disciples then asked Jesus, "Who then can be saved?" Jesus replies, "With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Grace is how God empowers man to overcome. Grace is NOT "undeserved favor" any more than any of God's other fruits of the Spirit..... love, joy, peace... Grace is the empowerment..... “for by grace are we saved.” The dispensationalist teaching castrates and removes the potency of the grace of our God. If the rich young ruler had made the choice to follow Jesus, God's grace would have empowered Him... and by grace he would have been saved as well to walk out salvation. Faith without works is dead. Paul didn't come up with this "new way of salvation", but rather explained the salvation that Jesus already taught. Because of the false message that the dispensationalists bring today, multitudes are fed a "sinner's prayer" that is unscriptural…. ....can you just see it.... 4 years after Jesus gave the message of salvation to the "rich young ruler", a dispensationalist could have gone to the rich young ruler and told him...."just follow after me with this 'sinner's prayer' and you too could be saved.... Jesus (the author and finisher of our faith) was not correct in His teaching." The rich young ruler could have then walked away with a false conversion, no longer having to sell everything he had to go follow Jesus. This watered down gospel is some of the founding false beliefs of the dispensationalist teaching... it is no wonder that Peter taught that those who twist Paul's teachings of eschatology, do so with the rest of Scripture .... 2 Peter 3:10-18. The father of dispensationalism is also the father of the pretrib doctrine... John Darby. Both of Darby's doctrines use the divide and conquer method of destroying the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Dispensationalism eliminates Jesus teaching, by telling us that Paul teaches a different gospel to the gentiles, but that Jesus taught the Jews only.... Paul destroys this notion in Eph. 2. Did Paul die for you... yet according to this gospel of dispensationalism one must ignore the teachings of Jesus and follow Darby's twisted teachings. The same is true for Christ's return... Darby divided His return into two... one for the gentiles and one for the Jews... this is a fable... Yet this doctrine of John Darby is contrary to Christ, and therefore a type of anti-christ doctrine. The pretrib rapture doctrine falls in line with the dispensational one. You cannot understand the second without believing the first. The dispensationalism doctrine enables the church to ignore the most valuable teachings of Jesus. The most important, is that He talks to us today; “My sheep hear my voice,”By removing this concept and telling us that God does not talk to us today, removes the personal relationship with the living God. The message of salvation is equally important. Jesus always taught total surrender. If we haven’t totally surrendered then we are still lord of our lives in some way or another. Still another very important message is the message of healing the sick. This message was and still is a core message of Jesus… see Mark 16. The removal of this from the very message of Jesus Christ is contrary to Christ, and therefore derived by an anti-christ spirit.

[@DrewChupp1]

Wow. First of all Darby never invented or ‘popularized’ dispensation. It is a command in 2Tim 2:15 Study to show yourself approved unto God, rightly DIVIDING the word of truth. All scripture is for us, but not all to us. First of all do you eat pork or shrimp? In Leviticus are you bringing your animal sacrifices to the tabernacle?? And also Jesus never once gave us the salvation we are saved by today. Jesus message was repent and be baptized. Christ’s message today (by divine revelation to the apostle Paul) is that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again 1 Cor 15:1-4 you are NOT saved by being water baptized by a man. Simply believing Christ is the Messiah doesn’t save you either. Only the gospel that was given to Paul by Christ from Heaven will save you.

[@paulmcdowall3660]

Given the very depths and breadth of information one could present about these two ideas, you have done, IMHO, an excellent job of highlighting the most significant 'linchpin' that differentiates them.

[@thesourcerer6504]

Praise God for your input via video Greg. I have come to exactly the very same conclusion by a extensive reading of the Old Testament prophets. Yet, so many who call themselves Christians argue IFO replacement theology and that what we now believe is considered a radical extreme fringe view which by their estimation is considered ridiculous. Yet, the Old Testament prophets is full of this wonderful prophecies with regards to the end time national reconciliation of Israel when Messiah returns to earth as foretold. God bless you for this input.

[@LLH7202]

There is an intermediate position between Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism that affirms the role of National Israel. The modern movement of Messianic Judaism, which began in the late 60's--although there have always been Jewish believers in every age--largely, at first, accepted Dispensationalism, because it affirmed the future promises for national Israel as opposed to Covenant Theology. But Messianic Jews soon found the problematic aspects of Dispensationalism, namely, the complete separation of the Church and Israel. Messianic Jews see themselves as part of both groups. Therefore they began to formulate a theology which David Stern calls Olive Tree Theology, based upon the Olive Tree metaphor of Romans 11. Where the "church" is the believing remnant of Israel with Gentile believers grafted in. Progressive Dispensationalism probably comes closest to articulating that position. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, a Messianic Jew and Dispensationalist has a book "Israelology, the Missing Link in Systematic Theology that explains in detail the all the major theological positions on Israel. I also recommend "The Church and The Jews" by Dan Gruber.

[@samluke8121]

Israel is a modern invention. So, it is not a symbol of literal truth.

[@SpotterVideo]

Pastor John G. Reisinger's book "Abraham's Four Seeds" highlights the problems with both Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism. There is also a KZbin video titled "The Faulty Presuppositions of Dispensationalism & Covenant Theology", which speaks of the basic ideas in the book above. In Romans chapter 11 the Apostle Paul starts with two groups of Israelites, those who bowed the knee to Baal and the remnant of 7,000 who did not. We see the same thing in the example of the Olive Tree, with the faithful branches remaining in the tree, but the unbelieving branches broken off and can only be grafted back in through faith in Christ. The wild Gentile branches were grafted in among the branches of the cultivated branches of faithful Israel. Paul ends the chapter also with two groups of Israelites, that part blinded to who their Messiah is, and the election who have seen the truth. Some have taken the word "so" in Romans 11:26, which is an adverb of manner, and replaced it with the word "then", which is an adverb of time in order to produce the idea of national salvation. My wife and I love the Jewish people. We support two ministries which are now evangelizing the descendants of Jacob. We also believe the only way they can be saved is by being grafted back into the Olive Tree through faith in Christ, before the Second Coming. There are only one People of God. (one flock, with one Shepherd). There is only one Plan since the Cross. (The Church) There is only one Gospel of Jesus Christ. All of the promises come through the One Seed. (Galatians 3:16) .Yours in Christ,

[@SpotterVideo]

***** Good Fight Ministries just released a new DVD on the history of modern Dispensational Theology. It is very well done.Left Behind or Led Astray? www.leftbehindorledastray.com/

[@SpotterVideo]

+SpotterVideo Pages 10-26 of this paper written by a Brethren Historian in 1966, shows the origin of modern Dispensational Theology. PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement. F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26 brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

[@bairdsley]

During the acts period isreal had not been set aside until acts 28 when the apostle Paul quotes Isaiah . 6.9 for the last time and says the salvation of God is now sent to the Gentiles . Complete break from the covenant in jer with house of isreal and house of Judah . Gentiles were engrafted into israels privilages during the acts period in order to provoke isreal . Gentiles today are not engrafted in to israels hope but now have a hope of our own apart from isreal in the mystery in Ephesians .

[@SpotterVideo]

According to John 10:16 there is only one flock with one shepherd. Under the New Covenant found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13 and "everlasting" at Hebrews 13:20, there is now "no difference" between different races of people when it comes to salvation. The only path of salvation is by being grafted into the Olive Tree of Romans 11, which is a symbol of the New Covenant Church, through faith in Christ. There is no Plan B for modern Jews. There is no difference between a naked native living in the Amazon and a modern descendant of Jacob living in the State of Israel. They both need Christ for the same reason and in the same way.

[@SpotterVideo]

Those who ignore the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 will continue to be in error. Christ said at Matthew 26:28 that He would fulfill this covenant in His Blood. It is found in effect at Hebrews 8:6-13 and in verse 13 we find that the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete". It is applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24. It is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20. The New Covenant was promised to Israel and Judah. On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", then as "men of Israel" and in Acts 2:36 as "all the house of Israel". On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised to Jeremiah. If you look in the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, you will find that the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 is the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28. Dispensationalists have created a time machine by changing a covenant confirmed by Christ into a treaty broken by an antichrist not mentioned by the angel Gabriel, by adding a "gap" of time not mentioned by the angel. It also ignores any time that the Gospel was taken to Daniel's people during the first century, even though Christ clearly commanded that the Gospel was to be taken "first" to the Israelites. It was not taken to the Gentiles until after Stephen reviewed the whole history of Israel and was then stoned to death. God ripped the temple veil in half on the day of Calvary. If God ripped the veil, who is going to repair it? Yet Dispensationalists claim God is going to deal with the modern nation of Israel under the now "obsolete" Old Covenant during a future time period of 7 years when they will go back to keeping the Sinai covenant. They claim the Age of Grace ends even though the New Covenant is "everlasting". They ignore those under the Blood of the Lamb in Revelation 12:11. A person cannot be under the Blood of the Lamb and not be under the Grace of the New Covenant. The 144,000 are described as "firstfruits" of the Lamb. Paul uses the same term to describe Christians in Romans 16:5. The Olive Tree of Romans 11 is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of Israelites and Gentiles grafted together into one tree. Paul says that the branches broken off can be grafted back into the tree through faith in Christ. Paul provides no other path of salvation. Dispensationalists have changed the word "so", which is an adverb of manner, into the word "then", which is an adverb of timing, in Romans 11:26. In verse 27 they have taken the New Covenant fulfilled at Calvary for all races of people and have converted it into a covenant to be fulfilled in the future. You will almost never hear a sermon on the New Covenant in a Dispensational church, because the New Covenant destroys the doctrine. If you want to see the origin of the doctrine, watch the KZbin video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology".

[@karlheppard9057]

You made some interesting points. The only question I have is regarding your interpretation of Romans 11:26. This is often red as a continuation of a sentence as saying, and “then” all Israel shall be saved. Interpreting this, as though it was an event that happens after the things that were explained previously. I would disagree with that. I would ask you to consider the following: The word, ‘so’ in this verse “and ‘so’ shall all Israel be saved” means “in this way.” it does not mean “then.“ Strong’s # 3779. The point is that Romans 11:26 is the conclusion of everything that has been written, starting in Romans 9:1, and particularly the conclusion of the point he made in 9:6, namely, “they are not all Israel that are of Israel.“ Paul spends all of chapters 9, 10 and 11 describing the “All Israel.“ They are described as the elect of both Jew and gentile. When he concludes in 11:26 and in this way, shall Israel be saved, he is interpreting the Old Testament promise of all Israel being delivered as being fulfilled, in the elect of both Jew and gentile. That is true Israel. This is not saying something that happens after sometime where the gentiles are finished being saved.

[@tyrellepogue9160]

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one who believeth, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

[@johno2277]

Jesus is the blessing to the nations.

[@billholt5573]

Yes, the exact fulfillment of the promise to Abraham that his Seed would bless all nations. He will be a blessing to Israel if they will but believe.

[@johno2277]

@billholt5573 True. Except the descendents of Abraham disappeared in the 2nd Century. White people in modern Isreal are eastern European.

[@johno2277]

@billholt5573 Yes. The Dispensationalists have perverted Gen 12:3. Paul explains that it is not "seeds but seed, who is Christ." The Blasphemers have no answer to Paul.

[@jepprey4953]

Thank you Mr. Koukl for this video. I agree that the reading of the Old Testament can possibly conclude towards a future nationalized/globalized geo-political restoration of Israel. However, in the New Testament, it doesn't seem to be emphasized at all by neither Jesus, Peter, nor Paul, why is that? In Romans 11, as you have mentioned, Paul seems to speak of the salvation of Israel, which Paul longs for, whereas Paul never really mentions directly about a restoration of a political nation of Israel away from the Roman Empire. The only scriptures that I can point to that could be possibly used to support this present day national Israel in its current form can only be drawn from the Old Testament. Also, the political entity of an Israel nation found within both the Old & New Testament scriptures has always been identified as a monarchy, should we expect that a true national resurgence of a geo-political Israel to be led by a king? I am also wondering how my reformed faith relates to modern day Israel because to me it appears that the current political nation of Israel is more concerned about preserving nationalism (to me both isolationism & idolatry) and not really showing much of a concerned with being a light towards all the nations.

[@rancantrell]

Very well said.

[@KoolCat-vg1rt]

What ?? Try studying the millennial Kingdom!

[@jepprey4953]

@@KoolCat-vg1rt ok, what do you mean by that?

[@KoolCat-vg1rt]

@@jepprey4953 what do I mean by what ? The millennial Kingdom? You don’t know what that is ? Say The Lord’s Prayer and then see if it hits you and then get back to me ! And read Zechariah 14:16 -17

[@jepprey4953]

@@KoolCat-vg1rt what do you mean by millennial kingdom?

[@Jay_the_giant]

The problem with dispensationalism is that it denies Gentile believers are children of Abraham. We are heirs according to promise. We are not children of the flesh, but of the promise. The promises made to the OT church (Israel) belong ALSO to the NT church (made up of both Jew and Gentile). To deny this is to deny an aspect of the Gospel, and unfortunately that’s exactly what dispensationalism does.

[@davidchupp4460]

That’s a lie. We all know we are of the faith of Abraham. However the promises Plural to his nation and blood defendants aren’t necessarily ALL to the body of Christ today.

[@Jay_the_giant]

@@davidchupp4460 so God shows partiality?

[@davidchupp4460]

@@Jay_the_giant nope. That’s your default conclusion? Wow.

[@davidchupp4460]

@@Jay_the_giantnot anymore than when GOD CHOSE the nation of Isreal over all other nations. So was he showing partiality?

[@1lebero]

This was EXCELLENT!!! Great video. Very clear and concise for the everyday believer.

[@yeoberry]

Dispensationalism obscures your ability to read the Bible. Ephesians 2:12 says Gentile believers WERE (past tense) -- when they were separated from Christ -- "alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise" . . . But now in Christ Jesus we are brought near, not only to God but included in the one people of God, creating "one new man in place of the two" (Eph 2:15), that is, one people of God, believing Jews and Gentiles united; "reconciled us both to God" (Eph 2:16). So Gentile believers "are no longer strangers and aliens but . . . fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God" (Eph. 2:19). So, "the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body . . ." (Eph 3:6). The Dispensational idea that there are two people of God is completely contrary to scripture.

[@DawntoduskNetAuTas]

One of the best presentations on this knotty topic I have seen.

[@jacobso223]

I believe that God has never forsaken Israel. He just chasten them because they sinned against God. However when we read the books of the prophets we can see clearly that God will gather them back from all corners of the world back to their promised land.

[@seanc2788]

Correct. Israel finished their 2,520 years of servitude to God on May 14, 1948. Ezekiel 37 has now been fulfilled and they are a nation again. That day also kicked off the final generation that Jesus speaks about in the Olivet discourse. In the last days of the great tribulation nearly two-thirds of the Jewish people will be killed by the Anti-Christ, but one-third will recognize and have their eyes open and Christ will come to their rescue after they cry out to Him. There will be three types of people alive on the earth during the Millennium, 1) the church in their glorified bodies, 2) the mortals who did not take the mark of the beast and survived, and 3) the mortal Jewish people who turned to Christ and were sheltered from the Anti-Christ during the tribulation.

[@SpotterVideo]

@@seanc2788 Revelation 20: Does your interpretation agree with all other scripture? (Chronological or Recapitulation?) (Literal vs. Figurative?) Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will Christ conduct funeral services for mortals killed in accidents many years after His Second Coming? Graveyards needed? Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Can the number 1,000 be used in a symbolic manner? Psalm 50:10 Does an angel with a key come from heaven and open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2? Why did the angel have to unlock the pit if it was not locked previously? Who is the king of the angels in the bottomless pit found in Revelation 9:11? Are some of the angels “bound” in some manner in Revelation 9:14? If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation 11:7, where is the beast before then? John sees “souls” at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20. Are these the same “souls” found in Revelation 6:9-11? Is the “first resurrection” in Revelation 20:5 the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation? (Rev. 11:11) Are there two different types of resurrections in John chapter 5? John 5:24 (Spiritual) ? Were you dead, and now you are alive? John 5:27-30 Christ describes the bodily resurrection and “hour” of judgment of “all” the dead. Who is the “strong man” who is bound in Matthew 12:26-29? How is Satan “bound” in Revelation 20:3? How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46? Isaiah 65:17-25? Are people really dying in verse 20? Context, Context, Context… The New Heavens and New Earth are found at the beginning of the passage, and the end of the curse is found at the end of the passage. What happens if verse 20 begins with a negative statement? "There will be no more..." Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10? How would mortals survive this fire? Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20? Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1? When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20? Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18? What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21? Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return? Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:50-55? Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24. Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our “mother” in Galatians 4:24-31? What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10? Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones? What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13? Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18? Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18? What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Is there a correlation between Revelation 20 and earlier passages in the Book of Revelation? Is Revelation chapter 20 another example of “Recapitulation”? Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Rev_18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Judgment Before the Great White Throne. Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[@thelimatheou]

Israel is the Church, and it was the a Jews who forsook God.

[@trainsinkansas576]

I am a dispensationalist. I'm glad to hear that some in the Covenant Theology camp do see that the church has not taken the place of Israel. Ezekiel chapters 40- 48. Have a great day, a brother in Christ.

[@phillipsugwas]

I cannot understand the folly of replacement ideology.. what in this galaxy leads people to conclude that God deals with his creatures in a differentiated way?

[@michaelcarr8932]

Don't hold your breath for a national, geopolitical restoration. The miraculous Child of promise established the new Israel by means of faith.

[@bobwood5146]

No who has any spiritual knowledge expects man to do anything spiritual. The fact that God will keep His promise to the Jewish nation has nothing to do with man's political systems. There is no "new" Israel ---just the original who will be blessed just like He said they would be blessed. I assume that you believe God didn't lie to Abraham and all the way through the OT-----maybe not it seems that many do.

[@_derpderp]

But there is the “new” Jerusalem which comes down from heaven if I’m not mistaken, I’d think it’d squash whatever happened to be in place before. This might be unfair since you commented a year ago but- saying the bloodline of Abraham still needs the land grant strikes me as not seeing the forest for the trees to put it kindly, as if that is more important than all the law and prophets being fulfilled in Christ and his death, burial and resurrection. But that’s kinda where we are today, right? Christ came and fulfilled all the law and the prophets even extending redemption to the whole world yet what matters to some is to rebuild earthy kingdoms and temples and religious rituals, rather than believe on Him and have true life, living water, His body bread of life broken.

[@jameslosey4305]

Thanks Greg... I've wondered about this for a long time... But who belongs to this Biblical "National Israel"? *Geographical? Those who live within the geographic boundaries of historical Israel? If so, is it Israel at a particular point in History or Today's Israel? If so, was it simply the act of creating a country in 1948 in Palestine that creates this entity to which the promises and prophesies speak? *Genealogy? Those who are physical descendants of Abraham? If so, with all the intermarriages over the last several thousand years, how much "Abrahamic blood" makes you "Israel"? *Faith? Those who believe in the Jewish faith? If so, which one? The Jewish faith today looks completely different than that of Jesus' time when the temple and sacrificial system still existed...

[@tymurphy8564]

These are all great questions.

[@jeannerossi93]

I’m not sure what your issue with this speaker is. He was just explaining different schools of thought. It’s not something that is divisive, just two ways of looking at things.

[@telefellavision]

What I find beautiful is how the proselytes of the OT and original baptisms that took place to make a gentile converted and its integral component to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[@yeoberry]

That he apparently totally misses that the Lord Jesus fulfilled the promise to Abraham -- not the literal nation of Israel -- is the key dispensational error and shows that the speaker has missed a key element in Biblical theology. Try reading Galatians!

[@GrueTurtle]

The 144,000 are evidence israel is still special and distinct from the church

[@alanmunch5779]

Absolutely, God will fulfil His promises to Israel, otherwise He is a liar. About 80% of all prophetic predictions have so far been fulfilled, literally; so it is logical and scriptural that the remains 20% will also be fulfilled. It’s extraordinary that so many believers today try to explain away future/ yet-to-be fulfilled prophecies, by allegorising or ‘spiritualising’ them away. God fulfilling His promises is the most compelling evidence of who He is, and the veracity of His Word; He says this many times.

[@veiled_sakura]

There are a "remnant" of Jews who come into the New Covenant and receive The Gospel. The intent of Romans 11, was the plea that SOME would be saved...and the fallen branches can return to the olive, "be grafted in again" if they do not persist in their unbelief. The following Chapter, Romans 12 (and 1 Corinthians 12) describes how the Body of Christ of both Jew and Greek function together. Paul was saying that The Gospel was available for their salvation as well. They were not entirely rejected. The "Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16) are those who have been brought into the Body of Christ through faith. All FAITHFUL 'Israel' will be saved....including the remnant.

[@realclearbible2847]

Amen! the "Israel of God" is the Jewish remnant who believe the gospel at the present time... not the Church. "All Isreal" being saved is the nation in a representative way through those of faith, like you say. God's plan of grace is simply Amazing!

[@seasidelife9742]

How does Roman 9:6-8 play into this? But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

[@jeremyseaton3314]

With respect, I would love opportunity to dialog with you. I think the Covenant folk don't ignore those verses; they just have a different way of putting those promises together in context. This isn't directed at you, but there's a frustration, because people don't understand or they misrepresent this commonly.

[@michaellautermilch9185]

Is it correct to say that dispensational vs covanental theology is essentially all about how we view Israel, as the 1 defining issue of those positions? Or is it more complicated than that?

[@STRvideos]

Thanks for the question! We invite you to call in to our weekly broadcast to discuss your thoughts with Greg Koukl. He'd love to hear from you. Or you can submit an #STRask or Open Mic question. Visit www.str.org/broadcast for details.

[@jacobmichaeljohnson]

This is precisely what I believe the Bible teaches. This is truly and beautifully said. Koukl sounds like Spurgeon and Ryle; love it!

[@thespurge]

Well, Spurgeon and Ryle were big time Covenantalists.

[@jacobmichaeljohnson]

@@thespurge please do your research on them and their views on Israel.

[@christalone71]

@@thespurge It's my understanding that Spurgeon was premillennial though. Not sure how that fits in with Covenantal Theology. However, I'm still trying to sort out some of my own views, but do heavily lean Postmillennial.

[@AB-ComeLordJesus]

I find it interesting that when the Jewish apostles wrote their letters to the churches which were ethnically diverse referred to the believers there and included themselves among them as one people, as the church, saints, holy nation, His body, tree with. Jesus said that he was going to bring the flock of Israel and the gentile flock together as one flock. I don't see why people keep making distinctions but maybe I am missing something and am willing to search these things out. But there are Jewish believers today and throughout history who are of the church universal, not an entity of it own. Will God save a remnant in Israel at the last Day? That is what Scripture teaches, but that is in no way separating them from the body of believers who all belong to one flock, one body, one family of God. The saving of this Jewish or Israelite remnant is what brings about the realized salvation for all believers who are awaiting His glorious return and God again showing His strong arm to save His people when they call on Him.

[@michaelmattox5355]

It happened at Pentecost; where the nations were given the blessing of the Good News.

[@tims.449]

The Jews of all nations gathered again at Pentecost and Peter gave them hell for murdering the Christ. Peter sites what Joel said. It was the end, the last days, the day of the Lord was at hand and judgement to be poured out before Christ returns to blot out their sins and they need to repent and make themselves clean per the Law of Moses. Good news? You drank the KoolAid. Read the book of Act and ask yourself as you go, what did I just read and what does it mean? Look for the reason that Christ was raised from the dead. The reason for the Jews who gathered from all nations back to Israel is not the same reason as He did for us. It is different by God's design.

[@jacksonbooth2462]

I believe this entire controversy between Dispensation and Covenant theology is best suited for those who have too much time on their hands. Perhaps being more Christ-like in our thoughts, deeds, and feelings would be a better use of our time.

[@_derpderp]

Dunno, it has real-world consequences here in the states. Let’s just say that you got about 40-50 house reps and maybe a couple senators that lean disp- (or who has their ear$) and at least a FEW who have stated their political influence whatever that might be will be wielded in accordance with their religious convictions. Full stop. Namely the nation of “Israel”’s part in their eschatology…soooo there’s that. Never mind how those machinations play out depending on the White House occupant. Oh yeah, and I’d say the Supreme Court is a little less than a coin-toss atm.

[@clintdona9857]

That’s been my position since I can remember!

[@ranbran2948]

He doesn’t understand dispensationalism, or he would not say that he is some kind of a dispensationalist. There are not five gospels. And it is not the children of the flesh but the children of the promise who are Israel. Christ IS on the throne, and prophecy was fulfilled in Christ and through His carrying out of His plan through the church in the world, which is being built up into Him who is The Head, we are the body. It’s really not that difficult. But we have all been bathed in dispensationalism since birth.

[@phillipsugwas]

Americans have swallowed Darby's incoherent ramblings since shortly after he first produced them. Its amazing any thinking person could still buy into this ?

[@evangelicoadventista]

National restoration of Israel means the future of glory to the church, that is the Israel of God (Gal. 6:16).

[@AlexFoo89]

+Andrés Aguirre Rom 9-11. Natural and Wild branch.

[@zachary1077]

lies

[@romeoindia9249]

I’m confused about this: Israel is held off from being a light to draw the gentiles to salvation until the full number of gentiles is brought in. If the full number of gentiles gets brought in then who will be left for Israel to draw to salvation?

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[@Piggy8282]

Thank you for this explanation. Well stated.

[@PapaJoeK]

This is very interesting. I'm not sure where my belief system lies somewhere in the middle. I disagree with the idea that when God said that the world would be saved through the seed of Abraham, He meant the nation of Israel but that He was speaking of Jesus. Jesus was to be a direct descendant of Abraham. Gal 3:29 is clear that now the church is Abraham's seed. This includes messianic Jews but not the nation of Israel. The Bible is clear that the promises of Abraham are for the church, including messianic Jews, but not the nation of Israel. (John 8:39-40, Gal 3:13-14) these are not the only scriptures to support this idea. But for time and space it's all I've listed.

[@bethwatkins4517]

Thank you ! I have been studying and listening to both theories and found myself leaning towards God is not done with the nation Israel . My question is , as Christians with this belief , should we be in support of Israel ? I pray daily for the hostages and soldiers but that being said , of course i do not agree with everything Israel does .

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[@mikeduffy9655]

He did a good job of explaining the distinction between them being a future for national Israel. The most important question is: Is the church the new Israel? If one says no to this then the only option is Premillennial Dispensationalism.

[@richardporter842]

I always wonder why so few mention Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer who was my final major influence in coming to the Truth of what the Bible teaches ... Chafer's little book 'Grace' is stunning and can be found online as it is Public Domain now.

[@lyndonstimeling4623]

There seems to be a lot of problems with this viewpoint. However, I do appreciate what appears to be humility on the part of the speaker. He doesn't come on like a "know-it-all."

[@zachpatterson434]

This is really well done. Thanks for making it.

[@timoheule]

Yes and no. DS. C. Sonnevelt has written a book about this topic. Jews will be converted but it has nothing to do with a political secular state.

[@rafaelshumaker1883]

Zechariah 14:16 indicates that the survivors of the defeated enemies who came against Jerusalem will be required, yearly, to come to Jerusalem and observe the feast of booths. The feast of booths is not part of the church, today, nor historically. And why Jerusalem? It features as a prominent part of the Christian story. But beyond that, Christianity has never had much to do with it. You are correct. God is not done with Israel, not by a long shot. Most of God's promises to the jews have yet to be fulfilled. And he is not able to break his promises. He will keep every promise he ever made.

[@DanielWray-z7m]

How could the national Jews bring light to the Gentiles when they are in the dark regarding the Messiah? This is absurd!

[@phillipsugwas]

Good question

[@JamesDonovan-b5r]

500 years debating this. It just shows how theology puffs up. He just told you he is a Calvinist

[@kenallen8373]

I agree that Israel will become a geopolitical nation in the near future, and all who are in Christ, Jew or Gentile, will be counted for the seed and included in that number of Israelites .

[@hellooutthere8956]

Thank you. Ive been searching trying to understanding wht all this means and to gave me some clarity.

[@STRvideos]

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[@susanosborne900]

No Scriptures quoted this is not a sound discussion without the Word of God

[@StevieDxYz]

😅I have no idea what he was talking about. However, I know the Bible said that our Lord Jesus would return in the first century and that’s what I believe.

[@S3thousand]

Thats pretty much how i see it. I call myself a dispensationalist. For me it was a ureka moment. It cleared up so many troubling verses. And some real contradictions. And commands that are impossible without an existing temple.

[@k9builder]

Contradictions only exist if we ignore the context.

[@S3thousand]

@@k9builder exactly what im saying. To whom is it written, and when. The simplest example is the the charge not to eat from the tree of life......aint for us

[@charleneriddle5995]

Look at Jeremiah 12:15, God plucks out the corrupt Jews, and those who were left, those who loved God, "On them" will I bring again. Just like the Book of Romans, it's clear, the Jews were diminished, only a remnant was brought back and restored, the corrupt branches were broken off, and the Gentiles were grafted in, it's so clear. Spiritual Israel are the ones saved, Christ in us. Christ is not in every Jew in the natural Jerusalem. Christ is in the remnant, both Jews and Gentiles, all the way back to Genesis. It's the remnant that is true Israel.

[@sophiabergner7191]

Hello! I’m wondering if choosing a camp (covenant or dispensational theology) is a matter of salvation? Or is this more of a secondary issue amongst the body of Christ?

[@michaelmorris6575]

Great question! This is not a salvation issue! In Christian theology there are essential doctrines that all Christians must believe and there are non essential doctrines such as this one. I have brothers and sisters in Christ on both sides of this issue but we all agree in the essential doctrines. Hope this helps. Have a great day!

[@PureBloodWNC]

@@michaelmorris6575 don’t some of these directly affect or interpret the core doctrines differently??

[@michaelmorris6575]

@@PureBloodWNC Good question! I am not at all suggesting that these secondary issues are not important. The original question just asked if they were a salvation issue. I can’t think of any theologians that I follow that agree perfectly on all non essential issues. Yet they all agree on essentials especially when it comes to who Jesus is and the doctrines of salvation by faith and grace alone. The thief on the cross who was saved certainly did not understand the differences between covenant theology and dispensationalism. His eschatological views were probably not completely thought out. Yet he was saved by the grace of God because of what Jesus had done for him. But I think you are correct in that a lot of people hold to non essential views that do contradict essentials that they claim. Have a great day!

[@PureBloodWNC]

@@michaelmorris6575 thank you for the thoughtful response. Shalom

[@joedyms]

@@michaelmorris6575 would you consider the doctrine of the Trinity to be essential?

[@merledaniel673]

Dispensationalism makes no sense to me. So more then one body of Christ. Two brides, two covenants and two flocks.

[@Over-for-now]

Thank God HE WILL NOT deny HIS promises and everlasting covenant with HIS chosen remnant of Jews

[@wisconsinwoodsman1987]

This was helpful. So glad you are able to make pauses in your speech and not add "right?". Pleasant.

[@peanutman6593]

I believe, as does, John MacArthur, not because I am a follower of men, but because his interpretation of scripture is the best. I believe the doctrines of grace to in scripture and also in the unfulfilled promises to Israel from dispensationalism. I think we’re gonna find out who’s right soon, since the world has embraced the last phase of sin, collectively, the reprobate mind.

[@yeoberry]

Galatians destroys Dispensationalism because it shows that "the gospel was preached beforehand" to Abraham (Gal 3:8), thus there was no Dispensation of law, that people were always saved by grace through faith in Christ; Galatians shows that law-keeping wasn't a dispensation but slavery, that the natural Israelites are not "the chosen people" but are slaves like Hagar; that the true "seed of Abraham" is not the people of the flesh but Christ (Gal 3:8); that being one of the natural people is of the flesh and worthless; that the true "Israel of God" (Gal 6) are those who have faith in Christ (i.e. the Church). One cannot understand and believe Galatians and remain a dispensationalist.

[@coolchamp2902]

Yo are you still around? I want to explain why you're totally wrong. Are you a baptist by any chance?

[@Mike65809]

The church age cannot end. Ever wonder how Jews in the tribulation can come to Christ? If they do, they will be grafted onto their own "olive tree" (Rem. 11). That olive tree today only consists of Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus. They are spiritual Israel and are they not the church? Indeed they are. Today the church is the believing branches of the tree, Jew and Gentile. So, how can they get grafted onto the tree in the tribulation, if the church is removed?????

[@timothyrogers1964]

Once WWIII ends, the beast takes over and establishes a world government. the church cannot function under his rule, our heads will roll, literally. There is no way a church can spread the gospel as we will all be killed. This wasn't possible in the 1500's, but with our modern tech hunting down people is easy, There is no escape. once the USa is taken out by either war or corruption, who will protect Israel? These Covenant people assume the good ol usa will always be here.

[@Barnabas70x7]

I consider myself in the dispensational understanding regarding scriptures. The problem is, I’m surrounded by covenant theology teachers. I feel so alone in my walk where I live 😢.

[@michmeshaw]

Don't cave! You're on good ground with solid teaching such as you have here! This video is a great simplification of dispensationalism. This is a great explanation of a significant difference between the two views.

[@phillipsugwas]

Perhaps you might explore the Kingdom of God as an alternative( enacted inaugurated ) : if, as is likely (?) you are a cessationist this approach will clear the fog...it did for me

[@wizzelhoart]

I didn’t get anything from this. Still trying to figure this out.

[@markporter-thechurchhistor6784]

Amen 👍In this dispensation there is nether Jew nor gentile,those who are born again are all one in Christ Jesus-Galatians 3:28.Because Christ has broken down the middle wall of separation and reconciled both to God through His death on the cross-Ephesians 2:14-16.Blindness in part has happened to Israel,but it’s only until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in,and so all Israel will be saved(those who are alive)at Christ’s second coming to Jerusalem-Romans 11:25-29,whenever the promise made to Mary by the angel will be fulfilled,”The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David,and He will rule over the house of Jacob for ever,and of His kingdom there will be no end”-Luke1:32-33.Christ didn’t sit on David’s throne and rule over the house of Jacob for ever.”He was rejected by Israel and crucified-John 1:11,19:15.But at Christ’s return He will pour out the Spirit of Grace and supplication on the inhabitants of Jerusalem,they will look on Him whom they pierced,and so all Israel shall be saved,because the Gifts and calling of God are irrevocable-Zechariah 12:10,Romans 11:29.Hallelujah 📖✝️

[@ironhorse6036]

Mr. Kouhl, I have to agree with you on every point. I believe you may find clarity, if you consider the New Jerusalem, and the 144,000. Isaiah 66:7-8, Rev.12: 5 and Rev.14, shows the manchild is/are the 144,000. Within these 144,000, is found ALL of Israel. The 144,000 are both, the remnant, and ALL of Israel; and all the promises are given to them, with the inheritance (which comes through Jesus, Rev.ch.14). If you continue through Isaiah ch.66, you will see that, these 144,000 will bring the nations to the NEW Jerusalem.

[@margiedenavarre7919]

I think it's linch pin, not hinch pin, but whatevs. Being thoroughly Calvinistic and having so many Reformed friends, the promises to Israel will long be my sticking point, preventing me from going full force into some form of Covenant Theology. Are there any Covenantal views that allow for certain promises to national Israel remain yet future? Thanks

[@phannybrce]

This is where I am at too

[@almostsk8terjamie]

Messiah railed against man made religion 2000 years ago (Pharisee-ism). I believe HE would do the same thing today, with all the "isms" dispensationalism, covenantism, denominationalism, Catholicism, Protestantism, ect-ect. Why can't people read and believe the entire set of Scriptures? After all not one letter will pass until all is fulfilled. There is no distinction between jew or greek, but rather a new man. Eph. 2:16, Gal. 6:16 there is one body, that body is called Israel. there is no such thing as church replacing Israel, the 2 groups are simply one and the same. All the above man made religions are in trouble for adding and subtracting to/from the eternal WORD of YAH! Deut. 4:2 , 12:32 and Rev 22:18... I had to leave all the above religions behind. Remember Matt.24:4 Take heed no man deceive you! **All the Apostles kept the Torah/Feasts and Sabbaths not to be saved but rather to be obedient to the eternal instructions of the Almighty Creator. I beg you all to come out and listen to the SPIRIT. **Don't start reading the book half way thru and expect to understand it.............

[@roycebryce5863]

Great video, thank you. I do have an honest question, if people of Judaism faith don't believe in Jesus Christ as their savior (quite a few reject him as the Messiah) then regardless of lineage they will not be saved?

[@STRvideos]

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[@navis5284]

I am a biblical Hebrew teacher for over 20 years. It is interesting to me that most ultra Orthodox Jews interpret the Hebrew prophets in a way remarkably similar to that of classical dispensationalism, at least with regard to a "futurist" reading of the prophets regarding the coming kingdom of Zion upon the earth... Remember, the King of the Jews, Yeshua the Messiah, is not returning to Geneva, or Rome, or the USA, but is returning to Jerusalem to establish the promised kingdom to Israel. Covenant theologians, in general, analogically read the Scriptures and hold to some form of "replacement theology," that is, the idea that the Christian "church" replaces Israel as God's covenant people. The future of ethnic Israel is certain, however, as taught by both Jesus and the apostle Paul (Rom. 9-11).

[@earthage3020]

In Isa. 49:3 we are Told that Jesus (the Messiah) is Israel. Also in Isa. 11:11-12 and Micah 4:6-7 we find out who the Remnant is -- that are scattered all over the Earth. We also see this in the New Testament as well and are told that Those who are In Him (Christ) are Abraham's offspring according to Promise: and that there is/was Only ONE Seed (or Person) and that it is Not a people, nor more than One Person: Whose name is Yahshua / Jesus. Gal. 3:16; 28-29

[@nberrios777]

What does “all Israel” mean? Romans 9 says, It is not as though God’s word [the Gospel] had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Therefore, can “all Israel” be all of the elect Jews throughout the church age (and a larger number of Jews) before the second advent of Christ? Of course.

[@ozark8043]

God's church is Israel and his people with his promise. The Jews aren't special because of their biological descent. Palestinians and especially the Palestinian have Hebrew ancestry as well. Paul clearly wrote that Gentiles were FULL inheritors of the blessing. God told Abraham through his line (meaning Jesus) ALL families/nations would be blessed. The con man Scofield came up with this Judeo-Christian lie along with a Jewish con man named Ingalls.

[@danieloutloud9151]

End times events describe a Nation of Israel separate from Christian believers . All of the ramifications of that are not entirely clear but God is definitely going to handle the people and The Land of Irael in a manner different than all of the believers throughout the World .

[@michaeldetana3666]

Thanks for the video and explanation of your views. One quick criticism is that you seem to use the Jewish people and Israel as interchangeable terms as far back as Abraham, in the present , and in the future. This seems like a common mistake most Dispensationalists make.

[@williamdavis1781]

Romans 9:6-8 makes it clear. "... they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” (Gen 21:12) 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh ... are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed." i.e.: physical heritage has nothing to do with the final and total reign of God. Also consider Galatians 3:5-9 5 "Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?- 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. Galatians 3:5-9 (NKJV)

[@jjemsnd7]

That was 8 minutes of dispensationalism and about 20 seconds on covenant theology you guys need to retitle this video because it really didn't have anything to do with covenant theology

[@hilbert551]

I have reviewed many explanations on this subject from both reformed and dispensational teachers. This is simply the best one I've seen. I totally agree with his assessment because i've read it in the Bible and that's how it unfolds. Thank you sir.

[@Powerslave-gi7nx]

Check out 'Larry T Smith Lesson 1'. Be blessed.

[@Panegyric123]

I thought there were two covenants, the old and the new. How did dispensationalism come about?

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[@endtimeswriter]

The longer I grow as a Christian the more I do not like theological terms and labels.

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

what does the nation have to offer outside of the NC? there is new covenant theology that disagrees with both DT & CT

[@collin501]

Nothing, but the fullness of the new covenant doesn't come until all Israel is saved.

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

@@collin501 the fullness comes in the age to come Rom 11:25-27 Now I don’t want you, my brothers, to start imagining things, and I must therefore share with you my knowledge of God’s secret plan. It is this, that the partial insensibility which has come to Israel is only to last until the full number of the Gentiles has been called in. Once this has happened, all Israel will be saved, as the scripture says: ‘The deliverer will come out of Zion, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob, for this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins’. all Israel is all jews and gentiles saved Galatians 6: 14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which[a] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule-to[b] the Israel of God.

[@collin501]

@@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104 I agree it's in the age to come. Are you a universalist?

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

@@collin501 why would u think i was a universalist?

[@collin501]

@@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104 you said "all Israel is all Jews and Gentiles saved." I couldn't tell if you were saying that all Jews and Gentiles will be saved, or that all of the Jews and Gentiles who end up being saved will be called all Isreal. From your response it seems like you take the second. Is that true? I understand Paul to be talking about ethnic Israel in Ro. 11. He speaks of a partial hardening and salvation to only a remnant at the present time, but then in contrast to that all Israel will be saved in the end. You read it differently though, correct?