Stunning new evidence revealed in Oxford High School shooting

Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald in a new court filing says their case against the parents of the accused Oxford School shooter is “stronger” and that Jennifer and James Crumbley are “at a greater risk of flight” now.

[@DMONEY7720]

"It is easier to build strong children, than to repair broken men." - Frederick Douglass

[@myivyfindstore]

Thank you for sharing this. Bless you…

[@stevendavis5095]

Amen!!!

[@jamesjazzy8040]

Frederick Douglas grew up 4 minutes from my house here in Rochester New York... They have several beautiful statues around town of him....

[@glowblank17]

@@myivyfindstore, *GLAD they sh0t up the school 🤠!*

[@moaninggimp7161]

Blimey, so true

[@jennysam3929]

$11k behind on the mortgage is not because of 3 weeks in jail. Buying your son a gun when you can't pay the mortgage? It seems that these parents had some very major stress going on to make such poor choices.

[@fauxque5057]

Joe Biden's America we can't be evicting people while they are running their pandemic. Slowly they are easing up on the screws. Students are going to have to start paying their loans again. Only a matter of time before they turn the banks and land lords loose but not until after the midterms most likely

[@MariselaR.da1daOnly]

That is still trying to make excuses for the parents! People have stress to deal with everyday! We all have problems! Above ANY situation should be your child! When you become a parent you SHOULD already know that regardless, your children need the most attention and must be properly cared for. Bad choices have consequences. It can't be an excuse or after thought!

[@michaelhernandez7978]

I just realized they totally wanted him to cap himself...

[@sheiswhitney]

But weren't they found with cash on them at the time of their capture? This sounds like a lot of excuses for negligent parents. They were anticipating on cashing out on a gofundme account when their son decided to commit su!cid3 but it didn't turn out that way.

[@Jay-rg5mt]

@@fauxque5057 eviction moratorium started before Biden clown. How do trump lovers just say stuff without thinking about it at all

[@dublinjazz1]

To summarize: Ethan was depressed, his only friend moved away, the family dog died. He was sending his mother disturbing texts and spiraling downwards. What would normal parents do? GET HIM HELP. What did they do? Engage in extramarital affairs and buy him a gun. Almost seems like buying him the gun was literally GIVING him the tool to commit suicide so they wouldn't have to deal with him. Unfortunately for them, he used it for mass murder. Now THEY get to pay for being horrible subhuman beings.

[@apv5774]

Ethan was ENTITLED* Period! Look how he acted as soon as he was apprehended. "I want my lawyer!"

[@antoniorivera8321]

It’s horrible, depression makes people do unthinkable acts. I wish no one go through it

[@oceanrocks]

The court filing also states the parents knew their son was torturing animals, like birds and leaving the head of a baby bird in a jar. He brought the jar to the school and left it in a bathroom.

[@asabovesobelow7981]

@@apv5774 EXACTLY

[@fatbottombiker3038]

You know I never thought about the suicide angle until now. That makes ALOT of sense for many reasons. It blows my mind to hear the backstory of the parents and what they were not doing to help their son. Why in the hell would anyone buy their deeply depressed and violent son a gun? I don’t get it.

[@buxombrowncoat5631]

Am I the only person who is wondering how the school isn't on the hook for this too? They ALL had a meeting with the kid the day he had the gun in his backpack, demanded he get help but then just.... let him go back to class? Parents advocate for their kids. This isn't shocking. But the school 100% failed to protect the other students at that school when they didn't kick the kid out.

[@jaimeperry7326]

@@MrBluesMessiah Why are you so invested in this crazy opinion of yours ... It seems like it's almost personal to you ? Sad that those kids died but Michigan law blah, blah , blah ... It's pretty clear that you are misrepresenting Michigan law. WHY ? What is wrong with you ?

[@kcbh24]

@@jaimeperry7326 Why don't you look up Michigan law before calling people crazy?

[@jaimeperry7326]

@@kcbh24 There isn't a damn jury in this country that would prosecute a school official for calling the police in this scenario. If they had, 4 kids would still be alive today. Ask yourself and think hard about why you are arguing that it should have played out as it did. I hope you and the other guy quoting laws, never find yourself in a position to make a life or death decision like this case, you clearly aren't qualified.

[@marisaJ1]

I'm not sure the school had grounds to do anything else unless they had an indication that he posed an immediate danger to himself or others. Did that drawing prove that one way or another? I don't think so. It would have been different if they knew that he had a weapon on him or access to a weapon. This is something the parents should have told the school about in that meeting. In which case the school would have probably acted very differently. I guess it would depend on what the school actually knew. It seems that the parents knew that their child was unstable but were more worried about him not getting into trouble than what harm he might cause to himself or someone else. It's not a good idea to buy someone, especially a kid, with mental health or behavioural problems weapons.

[@jaimeperry7326]

@@marisaJ1 They send girls home everyday for dress code violations, a kid drawing violent death fantasies should have been out of school immediately.

[@paulawilder8368]

Teaching your child he doesn't have to obey the rules, he just has to learn to not get caught. Says it all about their values.

[@19stacymoore]

Does anyone know if the parents of that black kid that shot up that school have been arrested?

[@mikeparker7631]

@@19stacymoore Of course they haven't...

[@immertoll1]

@@19stacymoore go ahead and politicize it.

[@immertoll1]

@@mikeparker7631 go ahead and politicize it.

[@19stacymoore]

@@immertoll1, I haven’t politicized it they have.

[@taraaliyeva1813]

Gifting a gun to a teenager that is having problems everyday is just IRRESPONSIBLE.

[@eckankar7756]

What was their thought process buying him a handgun?? I can see buying him a puppy or a bicycle, but a hand gun??

[@Vidchemy]

Sounds like they did a great job in raising one of Cawthorn (or is it Hawthorn)'s psychopathic monsters...

[@user-qu6ij5sl1v]

@@eckankar7756 dead right, my parents would never have gotten me a handgun as a child. A handgun simply has no serious utility for a child. Rifles and shotguns only for hunting

[@marlinperkins6910]

Not just a gun, it was a handgun. If you want to supply a potential mass shooter, giving him an easily concealable gun is what you would do.

[@rain3743]

Gifting a gun to any teenager is a bad idea. Their frontal lobe isn't even fully formed yet.

[@jimkelly2829]

Reckless and irresponsible parents are getting exactly what they deserve. Who in the right mind would buy a depressed 15 year old a handgun. Pure brilliance

[@troyb.4101]

I let my son shoot a rifle growing up , we live on a remote farm. I never let him shoot a pistol as I think it is to easy to have an accident with a pistol. A rifle is a lot safer, in my opinion. We always taught gun safety when target practicing, one at a time shoots while others watch. We would have several people shooting at the rifle range here. Most of us are Military Veterans . Safety first. Guns go into safes for the most part, Most of my guns rarely leave my safes anymore. One should buy a safe before buying any gun!

[@coldchillin8382]

@@troyb.4101 my friend is the same. I’m an Army vet and he’s a former Marine. He taught his daughters and his son at a young age how to use firearms particularly rifles and making sure they understand and respect the power that comes from it focusing on safety.

[@jarethgar]

@@troyb.4101 this is a great attitude troy

[@Sticke_of_0z]

I think we should blame the second amendment as even allowing citizens to posses weapons as majority of all crimes in the us are caused because of this.

[@barbaragibson7120]

I think you should be 18 and older and have mh assessment b4 anyone owns a gun! Because of stories like this you never know, still I don't find it ethical to buy a kid a gun even if they are mentally stable and live the country life! It's dangerous!

[@Trouble-Clef]

Sad that it says “the thoughts won’t stop, help me” and yet the parents blew it off when they were shown this document. If that isn’t screaming for help I don’t know what is. That being said, he still deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law and so do his lousy parents! But this all could have been avoided.

[@lemmeborrowthttop]

Even tho the parents SUCK I DONT Care! My life got shitty should I kill people ?!

[@wadestak]

@@lemmeborrowthttop He also had a history of torturing animals and recently decapitated a baby bird and put its head in a jar, filled it with his own urine and placed it in the school’s bathroom. He was a killer in the making.

[@tessiepinkman]

I think the parents are more culpable than the kid in this one. EDIT: That being said, I still think he needs to be punished, HARD. But he still needs to get help. Real help. Help the parents didn't care enough to give him.

[@wadestak]

@@tessiepinkman His parents are being charged for being criminally negligent, while he is being charged for planning out his mass murder spree weeks in advance and deliberately aiming his handgun at the head and chest of several kids at close range.

[@zach4832]

@@lemmeborrowthttop I’m glad you’re not a sociopath then. He clearly is. Mental illness is very serious and it effects people different (clearly). The parents are at fault just as he is. That’s what happens when you as a parent hands over a lethal weapon to a depressed teen with sociopathic tendencies. Stop comparing yourself to someone with mental illness, it just doesn’t make sense and really isn’t funny.

[@dave.willard]

They are claiming they are not a flight risk BUT didn’t they flee and hideout in a warehouse? Of course they are a flight risk. No bail should even be offered.

[@HalfNHalf.]

Exactly.

[@vblackwell3347]

It certainly looked like they were willing, if not anxious to abandon their son when he needed them more then ever in his life. Please yes, no bond for them!

[@PR7-82]

That's why we call them the Crummy Crumbleys!

[@cidb.212]

Oh, but they were hiding to protect themselves. They feared for their own safety. Pfffft!

[@casanovafrankenstein8538]

Facts

[@melted_cheetah]

Just because you can have kids, doesn't mean you should. Same thing applied to gun ownership. Piss poor parenting.

[@lucasrem1870]

Biden did nothing in 50 years!

[@rog1046]

@@lucasrem1870 are you serious, get a life

[@Zurround]

Maybe the law is different there but in MY state you cannot legally have tobacco, marijuana or beer or any other alcohol drink until you are TWENTY ONE YEARS OLD so how the hell can ANY fifteen year old be worthy of OWNING A GUN??

[@lupediaz1666]

And with irresponsible parents like those that's why abortions should be allowed and men should be required to have a vasectomy.

[@lucasrem1870]

@@rog1046 the local medic health system did not do anything, no signs, look at the parents, that school, that system!

[@pixpusha]

1:50 He needed what we all need. Coping skills rather than a gun for a present. My heart goes out to the victim's families.

[@jennyvazquez1577]

Exactly… 😞

[@oceanrocks]

Also, his parents knew their son was torturing animals for awhile and beheaded a little baby bird that he left in the jar and placed it in the school bathroom. Why would they give their son a gun as a Christmas present when they knew he was violent.. his parents are criminally negligent 100%.

[@threefreaksonaleash6619]

Well said.

[@robertdahammer4850]

@@oceanrocks Looks like the making of a serial killer.

[@bradsanders6954]

@@robertdahammer4850 Already a mass murderer,no where to go but down from there.

[@OTG414]

I’m so glad they are holding the parents responsible. What were they thinking buying this kid a gun when they knew that he was depressed?! I’m by no means anti-gun, but kids are not responsible enough and they’re not emotionally mature enough to be given firearms! Parents have been given a free pass in this country up until now. Parents these days don’t want anyone telling them how to raise their kids, so our society relies solely on the parents to make sure their kids can understand rules and consequences and can behave accordingly. It’s long past time that we start holding them 100% responsible for the actions of their children when they don’t. The actions of these parents turned, what could’ve just been, an depressed awkward kid who needed counseling into a killer. The responsibility for the deaths of those victims sits squarely on the shoulders of those parents.

[@CurieBohr]

and every parent with drugs in their home, even prescription, should go straight to jail should their children ever use them

[@mycharmedunicorn8715]

And every parent that their child is involved in a car accident with him/her driving causing injury or death should be prosecuted to the max for their little darlings actions outside if their sight.

[@CurieBohr]

Every parent of a gang member or drug dealer, every kid that bullies, every kid that riots, etc. all their parents should go to jail

[@rexman971]

@@CurieBohr every kid that watched a r rated movie, their parents should go to prison and get the chair.

[@hopelessromantic3786]

none of these people have a serious defense so they're all just dogpiling strawman arguments like this is a reddit thread. That's embarrassing.

[@icymorena]

The signs were everywhere. With these school shootings parents definitely need to start being held as accountable as their child. And I’m glad that in this case they are.

[@chalexen2862]

This may sound controversial but there are some cases or excuses were parents don’t even see any signs at all. Elliot Rodger’s father is just one example. I agree that the Crumblies deserves to be punish base on their inaction but for some parents of the active shooters finding dangerous signs is not as easy as Ethan’s.

[@kingofkingsmoonpie4075]

Are you a therapist? Judge? Holocaust victim? Tell you what, 9 out of 10 school shootings was caused by kids bullying other kids. And that's the root cause. So in turn, if your child bullies another child, you should be held responsible for the trauma your child caused to the other. Right? Your child caused all the "signs" right.

[@REY2000]

Sins of the son, great idea. Why not stop there? If they get into a fight. Let’s charge the parents with assault too. I’m sure inner city parents will love this new standard.

[@icymorena]

@@REY2000 Y’all take it too far. Lol. If someone’s child is involved in a school shooting and murders several people, AND his parents seen the signs, do you not agree that the parents should be held accountable? Because that’s all my comment was saying. I never brought up fights. Ever.

[@icymorena]

@@chalexen2862 If the parents see the signs they should be held accountable. I’m going to reword my comment because people want to bring up other things, and are misreading what I said.

[@joeydavis9778]

IF there was a chance that their son was contemplating suicide, why would they buy him a gun? LOCK 'EM DOWN!!!

[@oceanrocks]

Court filing also says the parents knew their son tortured animals and decapitated a baby bird and put its head in a jar to place in the school’s bathroom. They knew their son was dangerous.

[@PR7-82]

That why we call them the Crummy Crumbleys!

[@marys3127]

NO 15 year old, even a happy and stable one, should be handed a gun. And I am all for gun rights.

[@dkennylee]

@@marys3127 The kid want just handed the gun.

[@enuphsayd9746]

Thank you for pointing that out. I was pondering on that text msg the mother sent.

[@justsaying3729]

They seem to be so arrogant when they met school officials about their son. Why would you buy a gun for a depressed child.

[@sherri-jean198]

They lived on a farm and as we know hunting is kinda Normal out there..imma be a vegetarian again now...and tell me kids I don't make their choices

[@oceanrocks]

Court filing also says the parents knew their son tortured animals and decapitated a baby bird and put its head in a jar to place in the school’s bathroom.

[@breann7913]

@Joe Smith no a handgun would be used as protection on the farm from wild animals.

[@MarleneAug2010]

Stupid parents and probably those who scream about their gun rights.

[@johnbravo9164]

@Joe Smith Yes. some do, if the state they are in allows it

[@TurdFurgeson571]

None of this is "stunning." A trouble child exists and conveyed this through words and drawings. Happens every day. A kid's dog died. Happens every day. Friends moved away. Happens every day. Parents gifted child a gun. This is America, so... happens every day. Nothing here is "stunning." If it were, you all would be doing something about it. You'd bother to call your State rep and senator at the least. But you'll just sit there, unperturbed, because none of this is "stunning."

[@TheGreenTaco999]

this says a lot about our society

[@TurdFurgeson571]

@@TheGreenTaco999 It absolutely does. The sad fact is this _should_ be stunning. The headline _should_ move people to a state of semiconsciousness. But it doesn't. At best this is fodder for people to espouse their safest of virtues in the public square -- "I like good things! I'm against bad things! Hear me roar!" Nothing will change. We will meet again in another comment section on another video regarding similar circumstances and the masses will proclaim "Stunned!" again. See you there. Don't forget your popcorn next time.

[@allisonle8596]

My heart aches so bad for the victims. So many beautiful and kind people killed. Pure evil and reckless parents.

[@wadestak]

Their kid as well. Prosecutors say that he tortured animals and decapitated a baby bird and put its head in a jar to place in the school’s bathroom.

[@kingofkingsmoonpie4075]

🐂💩

[@glowblank17]

@@wadestak, *GLAD they sh0t up the school 🤠!*

[@michaelvigh926]

Nasty Bitch, the kid was trying to reach out to all. Pictures, words etc.... Immediately should have been interviewed by a professional counsellor and expelled.

[@alvaroakatico9188]

@@michaelvigh926 The parents were against it because that’s what the school suggested.

[@JonnoPlays]

The defense will argue that a mother did not know her own child whom she lived with and interacted with daily? Not a solid defense imo...

[@BosisofSweden]

I'd say that is the reality of almost any parent of a teenager...

[@thelostonetxt8450]

I'd say thatd be the only way they could defend them considering everything we know and all the warnings this was a likely possibility especially after they saw that picture and fought for him to stay without checking anything or seeing if he even had the gun they specifically bought for him and which they knew he had open (I'm talking openess of frickin space)access to at all times

[@thebeast8429]

@@BosisofSweden fr, a psychopathic kid like that can be extremely manipulative

[@averysrantingsandramblings5874]

No. They will argue that she knew her child, knew he had access to weapons, had an obsession with guns, potentially suffered from mental illness and THEY DID NOTHING. That’s the definition of negligence.

[@chocolatecharley99]

@@BosisofSweden She texted him when she heard there is an active shooter saying "don't do it". She knows what kind of son she has. Also don't give your stupid hormonal edgelord teen a gun.

[@mattusapparatus5968]

Should have turned yourselves in if you want leeway like that. You don’t get your bond dropped when you run

[@howiescott5865]

They must of thought they were in California...

[@cameronno6039]

@Jody Owen agreed. If they are deemed a flight risk, bond shouldn't be offered. If you offer it, you deem them reasonable, so a reasonable bond should be set. That is separate from the charges that are unlikely to stand as current. It seems a huge waste of taxes so far. But that's where we are in history.

[@cameronno6039]

@Jody Owen i don't know their laws either, but i find it difficult to believe setting an impossible bail is constitutionally legal. Also, i might pursue a judge only trial in their case. The jury will be tainted, as you mentioned. I expect a judge to be reasonable (but i admit, that isn't always the case)

[@cameronno6039]

@Jody Owen I'm mixed in the KR case. I think a charged, it never should have gone to trial. However, i think he was incorrectly charged. Legally, he was within his right to be there, but he was there as an agitator his actions leading up showed that (but those actions weren't allowed to be used). Regardless, as charged, i would have voted not guilty as well. Also, the Arbery murderers got exactly what they should have. I would argue Roddy was actually the most egregious one as he "angled his truck" at Ahmaud repeatedly. Still, these are jury trials we are discussing. Judge only trials may differ. Idk which is more likely, getting a single competent judge or getting a single open-minded juror.

[@cameronno6039]

@Jody Owen Arbery's murderers were over charged, but the felony murder charge was correct, as are the ensuing hate crime charges. Felony murder in GA is not the commonly discussed 1/2/3rd degrees. Further, intentionality can be derived instantaneously. They had no reason to do what they did and proved multiple times they were a threat to everyone with their vigilante provocation tactics. They committed felony assault and kidnapping. Regardless of intention, Arbery died. Death in the commission of a felony is the standard for felony murder in GA, regardless of intent. The neighbor was essential to the crime. He admitted multiple times to aiming his truck at Ahmaud and cornering him. If you are interested in the case, watch Legal Eagle discuss it, but also watch the actual trial video and review the written charges as they are written in that state. He was guilty of everything by the letter of the law. Again, I argue Ahmaud would be alive if not for Roddy. The number of charges is wrong though; I agree with that. 1 death shouldn't have 9 charges all with essentially life sentences. Still, they are guilty and one or three alone were sufficient. I also agree about KR as charged. However, he did set the events in place to commit murder. Obviously, he was also attacked at that time, so he got what he wanted in a legal loophole. The question needs to be better defined. When can you be the instigator and claim self-defense? I think that answer is very muddy.

[@Throawei]

Finally taking parents of school shooters to task. I have an extremely hard time believing that parents aren't negligible in all of these circumstances. I know occasionally there's a bad seed and no matter what nothing helps but when they've made zero effort they deserve prison.

[@jamespatrick3462]

Then so do ALL parents of all children that murder or rape. School shootings or mass murders aren't even a blip on the radar when it comes to causes of death for children.

[@angelinasmith6307]

the horribly sad thing is that this whole tragedy could have all been avoided if those sorry excuse for parents actually took the mental health of their son seriously

[@KellyCeleste]

I agree. And honestly, I feel like they are more liable in this than he is. Yes, he did horrific things and took the lives of others. But, he was screaming out for help. And even just that morning, he was denied access to help. His being only 15 years old makes me more confident that he has a chance of rehabilitation than his parents do. They should have taken care of him and his needs, and they didn’t. That’s likely a huge factor in the reasons that this happened. And it’s heartbreaking.

[@tira2145]

Agreed, and if the sorry excuse of a school employees would have done there job. A quick search for a gun would have saved so many and then the kid would be arrested and gotten help.

[@violentvioletvengeance5616]

BS story Crisis Actors!!!

[@JonCollinsMedia]

The school staff failed him as well. There were red flags that got ignored. What a shame, I thought we've learned by now.

[@KellyCeleste]

@@tira2145 I haven’t seen it reported that the gun was in the backpack or that the school failed to search the backpack. I don’t think we know that information yet. Also, let’s put the blame on the ones responsible…the PARENTS left when they were told that he needed to be evaluated by a mental health professional. While I don’t know that the school did everything appropriately…I do know that the PARENTS hold the responsibility for that. They shouldn’t have been allowed to leave without him. That’s on them.

[@gizellendaylewinsky8992]

They couldn't pay for their mortgage payment but they paid for the new gun! They don't know how to do the right thing ( at least they could buy a new family dog) very disappointed

[@PR7-82]

That why we call them the Crummy Crumbleys!

[@irenepopa7374]

With this new information, raise their bond to 1 million a piece. Lock them up. They are a danger to the community.

[@wadestak]

An Oxford parent whose children knew Ethan wrote this: “Ethan had problems but he also had many friends. He acted no differently that fateful day than he had in all the years that my OHS kids have known him. He gave a friendly fist bump to a fellow student just minutes before he walked into the bathroom and killed his first victim. His fellow classmates and friends had no idea. They talked to him daily.” Then she proceeded to talk about how the school didn’t know who left the bird head in the jar of piss in the bathroom (prosecutor reveals it was Ethan’s doing). Then she says the only people that saw a change in Ethan was his parents and knew of his depressive state.

[@marciayoung1094]

Maybe so but obviously something was going on he was a very disturbed young man and what parent would buy their child and 9 mm handgun I refuse counseling after seeing the drawing that the school showed his parents. I'm sorry I have no mercy for him and I definitely have no mercy for his parents who put a 9 mm in his hand that killed innocent children

[@TheGreenTaco999]

you didn't source. look up the video "School Shooter Suspect Posted Photo of Handgun Allegedly Used" by the channel "Inside Edition" at 0:46 kid who saw him that day reports that Cumb was "very depressed every day".

[@wadestak]

@@TheGreenTaco999 Her name is Katherine Waymaster and the kid who fist bumped him happened during the afternoon around 12 Pm. He started shooting at 12:51 Pm.

[@pissass.8675]

Sorry but a fist bump and having friends isn't a reason to ignore the fact that they're a complete lunatic. Fym only ppl who saw a change in him were his parents his whole school been knew he was obsessed with guns and tortured animals

[@ORO323]

"They won't skip town"? Weren't these two hiding from the police before getting arrested? Nah, I'd increase the bond if anything lol

[@TheGreenTaco999]

bond should either be free or not exist, it's a get out of jail free card for the rich

[@rexman971]

Just because they didn't run to the police when they called them in doesn't mean they where running. I mean your going to prison why would you follow the rules when your already a criminal for no reason.

[@justbrandy8520]

I do not condone what this boy did what he did is terrible and he should spend the rest of his life in jail...but it is heartbreaking to see that this could have been avoided if the parents would have just cared about their son a little bit more...that boy was screaming for help and that morning was the last chance they had to help him and they turn their backs on him it's just devastating!!

[@alywi]

Yes! There are so many better suited parents than these. Just terrible. No hope for this kid.

[@rickeyfrancisco8067]

QUIT MAKING WHITE EXCUSES, Insurrection

[@claudermiller]

I agree. Look at him. He's a child. He needed help.

[@Everyday_Railroading]

@@rickeyfrancisco8067 - Uhh, what?

[@justbrandy8520]

@@rickeyfrancisco8067 how on earth do you find that I'm making "white excuses"! When the shooter, the parents, and victims are all white! I'm sure any parent in the world white,black, Indian whatever would get their child help as soon as they saw a drawing with the screams for help on that paper. It's called good parenting, has nothing to do with race!

[@lisacunningham154]

Ethan's parents failed their child.. now, society has to care for this damaged child whose future was torpedoed due to horrid parenting! So very sad.

[@JaneCooper190072]

I agree, plus it will be hard to prosecute the parents. I have no idea what charge they're going to try them for

[@pbase36]

Ya know, I never hear this kind of "that poor troubled child" talk for black and Latino kids when they commit acts less heinous than this. why is that?

[@In-house444]

@@JaneCooper190072 I should think that’s obvious considering their bond

[@superafrikanmedialabs8237]

@@pbase36 I think you know why.

[@katbar6066]

@@superafrikanmedialabs8237 I think their question was a rhetoric one.

[@slimjames1917]

They also clearly showed they’re willing and “able” to evade arrest so they’ll definitely try it again

[@TheGreenTaco999]

they were contacting their defense lawyers who were *trying* to contact the prosecutor to arrange a safe arrest. There's a reason the boy was made to wear a bullet proof vest in the court room. The prosecutor ignored contact with the defense lawyers and lied about that to the judge.

[@petermacander2061]

Since their house is gone and they are a flight risk, they may as well just stay in jail.

[@ladygreyheart2012]

@@TugIronChief After the drawings of dead bodies were found, Ethan's mother texted him saying "I am not mad at you. LOL. You need to learn not to get caught". The parents KNEW their kid was deeply disturbed, they CHOSE to do nothing. Far too many people are spawing kids that they can't/won't take care of it. It isn't society's job to take care of these people's screwed up kids.

[@carriefox1146]

This family is messed up. For the safety of community and their own safety they need to be behind bars.

[@HenryBenaid]

Only friend left. Family dog died. watching shooting videos. saying his life is useless and loces gun. man wtf??? saying the world is dead and blood everywhere. The parent should have helped the child instead they give the kid a gun. wow!!!!

[@iamkimberlycrowe]

@David Gonzalez They bought him the gun

[@itwasntme3960]

@David Gonzalez they basically put the murder weapon in their son's hand for him. The son has some serious issues and so do the parents. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[@annanderson7]

@David Gonzalez see that’s the problem. The parents didn’t do anything, except buy him a gun.

[@carriefox1146]

@Albert boone your part of the American problem

[@TheSubmissionChannel]

They LITERALLY were fugitives prior to being apprehended. How in the world would they allow them out of jail before the trial? That's ridiculous.

[@richardmourdock2719]

A kid that did a school shooting in Texas less than 60 days ago (none killed but 4 injured) was bailed out and just got busted for violating the terms of his bail agreement! The question is why in the world the teacher and administration left the kid in school when they had all of the evidence presented here. They deserve to be charged.

[@willie0704]

They were not officially charged. They did nothing wrong.

[@kelliintexas3575]

THIS IS GEORGE SOROS DA'S IN ACTION.

[@Pops180]

Not really. Only the media said that they ran away. Its not like the police give you a heads up when a warrant is put out on you

[@herbertadams8433]

@@Pops180 The police told their lawyer they were wanted for questioning. Their lawyer said he talked to them, and they were coming in. The police told the lawyer they were issuing warrants for them. Their lawyer said he talked to them and they were going to turn themselves in. They took out all of their money from an ATM and fled the state. If that's not "running away" I really don't know what you think it means.

[@janetchan1046]

The problem is anyone can have kids and raise them however they think it’s okay… all good as long their is not innocent victims as results of their lack of judgement.

[@l1z4rdon7]

Them asking for a 100,000 dollar bond means that they can afford that bond and get out. Screw that.

[@cameronno6039]

Screw them, but your argument is literally against the constitution. There are 2 questions that are required, IMO. 1. Are they a flight risk? 2. Are they a threat to others? I would argue no to both. They withdrew 4 grand to hide out for a few days. What can they reasonably do in America with 4 grand? They clearly don't have the resources to sustain being in jail and are likely already fired/ to be homeless upon release. This is a severe case, but it''s also a terrible aspect of our legal system.

[@ryanbicknell2181]

They ran and attempted to hide out in Detroit, yet you don't believe they are a flight risk. Running and hiding when you know law enforcement is looking for you sure sounds like a flight risk to me

[@troyb.4101]

@@cameronno6039 Their family killed several people, they are a flight risk, and have proven to be a threat to others. Number three on that list, they should be protected from the families they murdered, meaning keeping them in jail. Releasing them is almost certain for them to be exterminated. Homicides are are record levels , you don't murder several family members and live long afterwards. On the bright side releasing them would mean no trials needed .

[@cameronno6039]

@@ryanbicknell2181 They had $4,000 and turned themselves in within 2 days from another interstate city. Yes, that is ominous, but they willingly surrendered without incident. I don't find it a big deal when there is so much financial burden they already have. Side note, the fact the DA turned to the news/media before speaking with the police about the arrest shows the lack of professionalism that led to their flee anyway. What new surprise is likely? If they can get $200k bond, what resources will they have after they run anyway? Do you really think it would take 200K to find them? That's the intent for the bail/bond.

[@cameronno6039]

@@troyb.4101 Name literally 1 thing showing them to be an active threat to anyone? Their kid did the shooting. They were negligent, but they've done nothing violent. Fear is way too rampant in this country. When I was in basic, a guy fired his rifle through his own head our first day at the range. My bink-mate was right behind him and saw everything. He was shaken and expressed to me his fear that the suicidal person could have killed him. I told him, the guy was suicidal, not homicidal and literally everyone can kill you daily. If you live in fear, it's a choice. Be cautious, but driving is the single biggest threat daily. At worst, they committed criminal manslaughter, which has to be proven, btw. The mechanism was via their son. Do you expect them to just become weapons dealers to random kids for crime now?

[@thetruepatriot7733]

Just so you know the parents are arguing that they never gave Ethan access to the gun unsupervised, that the gun was locked in a safe, and Ethan must of found the key to the safe without them knowing... Complete BS! The kid had Complete access to that gun! He was taking photos of the gun on his bed and posting them on social media. The mom said she bought the gun for Ethan..

[@joeschmoe7951]

Why does this matter? What if he used a car or a bat, or a knife? Do they kill you less than a gun? Would you have charged the parents if he used something other than a gun? You going to charge parents cause they didn't hide the car keys? Think man think!!

[@justrosy5]

Just so you know, it's "must have," not "must of.". Get off the Internet - you're too young to be on here if you didn't already know that.

[@christyhoehn8244]

@@justrosy5 - love the grammar police ! ❤️

[@swallman]

It doesn't matter, they can't be prosecuted criminally, civilly yes.

[@Lisa-pb3qp]

@@swallman No they are being prosecuted by the their state. Most assuredly.

[@stanleeger4711]

So after they already fled, they promise they're not gonna flee?

[@daniellebrooks7510]

Good point

[@ScarletBrimstone]

Soooo, getting death threats, dealing with defamation, and being fearful for your life means you should stay put and possibly have someone break in and do something? I get that they had warrants out, but they were already in hiding before they were issued. Remember that the media spins EVERYTHING.

[@kingaugstar3796]

@@ScarletBrimstone they gave him the gun knowing he was depressed let them rot

[@ScarletBrimstone]

@@kingaugstar3796 you realize that teens mask, cover up, and hide their emotional problems, right? Most parents don't realize that their kid is depressed. In addition, teens will make excuses and cover stories to hide it if people catch wind of their problems, too. So, let's not act like we know the inner workings of this particular family unit and go on a witch hunt.

[@kingaugstar3796]

@@ScarletBrimstone they knew it they got the report before he shot up the school they didn't take him home when they were told

[@SixStringHarmonies]

After being confronted with the drawing, while knowing the events of the prologue, and having knowledge they recently purchased him a firearm lays this squarely on the parents. The school can only straddle the line of public safety and individual rights so long. All the school had to work with was the failure of the parents to disclose the reality. The PARENTS should have taken him home and had him evaluated by medical staff. (Which would be a no-brainer were we to provide each other with universal healthcare.) Perhaps they feared another $12,000 in medical bills and rejected the idea outright? The US has nothing to be proud of. This is where our greed and apologia for preaching "profit, first / people, last", and even worse - codifying it into LAW! All while people sleep on steam grates and tents. Many of them veterans, sent to murder the poor of other nations so American corporations might dominate a new market. Pathetic and antithetical to all that "Christianity" claims to hold dear. I'm sure the greed and gun culture is really making Jesus proud.

[@masonwaiter3291]

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[@akshats436]

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[@solomononyeike6050]

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[@internationalaffair2944]

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[@paulraymond4119]

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[@lifewith9cats153]

I'm glad these parents are being charged. More parents need to be held responsible for actions of their children especially when neglect, abuse, and/or culpability are apparent.

[@Dr.DisrespectFan918]

Damn every parent going to be locked up 😂

[@jacobgarcia4188]

@@Dr.DisrespectFan918 If you cant handle your child dont have one.

[@aaronfox5559]

Teachers are just as guilty then, hang one hang all

[@westbravo09]

@@aaronfox5559 teachers are not here to take the place of parenting. Society finds everyone and everything else to be responsible for the actions of kids that know better and should have been taught better

[@nelson2801]

@@westbravo09 it happened at school and the school staff saw signs and they should have expelled him, the parents I feel are not guilty because they didn’t tel him to do any of it, and why are the parents being charged if the boy is being charged as an adult?

[@michaelevans6669]

Just like the shooter's mom in Sandy hook, she knew he had emotional baggage, but thought it was a good idea, to buy him a gun!😢😢😢

[@hill1542]

Wrong, in Sandy Hook he took a family members gun, he was also 21, six years older than this situation. In this situation he is only 15 and was bought his own handgun by his parents

[@brandonochs1372]

So terrible, and I love how the staff of the school are pushing parents and students to go back to school, like ik I would be traumatized and never would go back to that school

[@meverly4133]

Regardless of your stance on the second amendment, one of the leading causes of death among teens is suicide. Don't buy your depressed teen a gun. This was wildly negligent on the part of the parents.

[@email4664]

They wanted him to 'Make his mark"

[@violinhunter2]

Maybe the kid was insured for 1 million dollars and they wanted him to kill himself so they could collect??? 😊

[@UncleSamsDevil]

Not illegal.

[@violinhunter2]

@@UncleSamsDevil haha - it is not illegal to have your toddler walk on the top ledge of a ten story building - he might fall and he might not. ...just make sure he's insured. 🙂

[@shuttergod8706]

The fact that they’re getting bail at all when they already tried to flee is unbelievable

[@privatename2648]

Yeah, you remember the NC woman that shot her coworker @ furniture plant, and fled with her husband, on the run for SIX MONTHS, TANGELA PARKER????? I just flipped learning they just got their bond reduced and get out, WTF????? Murder and fled and hiding out six months and they got her bond reduced???????

[@somepeoplecanthandlethetruth]

Liberal court system for you. Same type of people who let the man out who mowed down a Christmas parade.

[@privatename2648]

@@somepeoplecanthandlethetruth It's all so unpredictable though, another city/court and someone might have a ridiculously high bond for next to nothing, so fecking arbitrary! I hadn't heard about the parade, DAMN!

[@jeffworob3453]

In this day and age you need a license for everything except for the most important job ever, being a parent! Any idiot can become one when many don't have the skills to be a good parent!

[@PR7-82]

That why we call them the Crummy Crumbleys!

[@davidgarris2513]

Mandatory sterilization programs for anyone under 115 IQ.

[@ricks.1318]

AMEN .......

[@kittycat8222]

They are passing a law to let 21 and older to carry a gun without a license. Soon. Very soon.

[@dawnywarthog6642]

So, true. Not all people are meant to be parent's. I'm 53 and chose not to have children for many reasons. I didn't want to find out the hard way if I was a bad parent.

[@momojumder205]

Can’t pay for the house but has money to buy his son a gun? I hope they all rot in prison

[@GinaMazzola]

As a mother, if I thought my son was suicidal, I wouldn't text him "don't do it". What kind of a mother doesn't phone or at least say something that shows emotion like "I love you and always want you in my world"

[@littlemouse9900]

My mom pulled me out of school and got me help when she found out I was feeling like that. School will always be there. Your mental health comes first.

[@TT-xz5sy]

She wanted him to do it, I think they were tired of him.

[@meep3035]

You’re telling me she should have said “I love you and always want you in my world” after he just murdered a bunch of people?

[@eckankar7756]

@@TT-xz5sy You know what, I never thought of that. I wonder if they did want him to kill himself.

[@00Kristyna00]

@@TT-xz5sy That's my gut feeling as well. They thought he was "just" going to kill himself with the gun...not shoot up the school and get them in trouble.

[@txdotlivin]

Not “allegedly” he did it. He shot those kids.

[@breann7913]

Yea but they can't say that tell he's been convicted!

[@MollyHuffle]

Everyone knows but they will get sued if they don’t use “allegedly”.

[@johnwilson6707]

until he is found guilty it is allegedly thats the law in your country unless it is a cop then the law do not apply as they are not treated the same as has been proved in many shootings

[@CL-io6wg]

@@MollyHuffle right...on the other hand Joe biden could call him a white supremacist before court hearings

[@MollyHuffle]

@@CL-io6wg 100% true.

[@SarahRenz59]

11 grand behind on their mortgage but the parents somehow found the money to buy their kid a gun. SMH.

[@sirsmokesalotsamson8293]

The teacher held on to the “evidence”? Why isn’t the teacher being held accountable for the boy’s actions when she held on for his cry’s for help.

[@carieyounginsurance]

This whole situation is absolutely tragic. So heartbreaking this all could have been avoided. Hard up on money/ selling everything/ yet buys a gun? Gives the kid the gun who is absolutely depressed? So many bad decisions...! They all deserve serious jail time and contemplation on what they all did.

[@jamesbroomfield7799]

The sad part is the kid was literally giving warning signs minutes and hours prior to the shooting. But the parents didn't seem to gaf. That drawing should've been the last straw. Kid was basically telling everyone what he was about to do. And the parents just shrugged it off. Makes you wonder if the parents were depressed and wanted other ppl to suffer but allowed their son to cause the suffering instead of themselves

[@charlieangel9705]

They probably give him a gun so the kid will shoot himself? Irresponsible parents.

[@freespeech469]

You like to blame people. How about blaming the fucking school for putting him back into the classroom?

[@freespeech469]

@@charlieangel9705 shooting is a sport and you’re a fucking idiot! Two facts.

[@charlieangel9705]

@@freespeech469 Sending you a tight hug this holiday season. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! ❤️🤗

[@daprincesstate]

Ethan’s mom: don’t do it Ethan”. Moms attorney: lIt wasn’t in reference to shooting up the school it was instead urging him not to kill himself after shooting up the school”… Me: excuse me, Pardon me, but you wanna argue that she didn’t know..you just told us she did know..are you listening to yourself sir??

[@alexrussell8358]

she knew it because it was already on the radio.

[@brandybader9063]

What the son did was 100% wrong, however she didnt text him that until after the shooting started and they figured out it was her kid. What he did was monstrous, but its still her kid and no mother is going to want their child to kill themselves.

[@serenitybrown2741]

@@brandybader9063 I can’t vouch for whether this is 100% true but the mother of Dylan Klebold claims she prayed that he would die so he wouldn’t hurt more people at Columbine. I think it’s probably more natural to be disgusted than protective

[@brandybader9063]

@@serenitybrown2741 it's built intonour DNA to love and protect our kids. Some people are built differently, however you can't fault a mother for not wanting her child dead.

[@michaelkabler9276]

@@brandybader9063 I read some of your comments. You have common sense. Life is gonna be really hard for you because no one else does. You can show them a video of everything you are saying and they still wouldn't understand. The proof of that is.... this video they watched and These comments they are making. But don't give up brandy. Hopefully common sense become contagious. I don't know every view you have on this but what I have seen I agree with. I'll put what I believe here too. Parents should get some sort of neglect and endangerment and not be allowed around kids. Teachers and the school faculty who are involved and any that had knowledge of this situation should get neglect, multiple child endangerment charges and not be allowed to work around kids. Kid should receive death penalty same as he gave to the kids. To be carried out within 3 months. That's time to suffer waiting. And not wasting too many tax dollars on him. You probably don't agree with all that. But that is all just what I feel is the minimum punishments should be. Really think they should let each parent of each kid murdered or injured or even anyone that had a kid or relative they was worried about in the school spend 30 minutes with him individually with no penalty for whatever they decide to do. And if they didn't take care of him then anyone that wanted to got 30 minutes with him. Same penalty every child killer should face.

[@lourdes0301]

School is at fault here too, they knew he was a danger to other students and they failed to keep him out of there.

[@tedkaczynski3748]

Yep. Someone once made a threat on my son's school over social media. What did they do? Shut down the school while police investigated. Why they didn't do that here is beyond me.

[@lourdes0301]

@@tedkaczynski3748 exactly what they should’ve done. Gotten everyone out while they investigated this man. Not all school are competent enough to do that, my school in my sophomore year their was a bomb threat and they made everyone finish the school day. Then at the end of the day they swept the school and found the device. It wouldn’t have blown up but it would’ve started a bad fire. They put all our lives in danger just so they didn’t have to “miss” a day of school.

[@TheGreenTaco999]

@@tedkaczynski3748 because now they get free meals on your tax money, fame, and some vacation time

[@tedkaczynski3748]

@@TheGreenTaco999 the school? Because I'm talking about the school. I'm sorry, I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.

[@megye386]

It’s illegal to kick a kid out w/o reason. They could say he’s mentally I’ll and provide counseling through the school but what would that really do but deplete their already limited resources. This is 100% on the parents

[@maesscope]

this is crazy those kids should still be here, the signs Ethan presented are concerning this could’ve been avoided if his parents owned up to him having issues he couldn’t gotten help also we need to blame who ever the hell sent him back to class after the reports of him being violent and drawing those inappropriate drawings on the day of the shooting

[@jbtpa895]

Yep that's what we're all worried about,the convenience of the defense attorney.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

At least if they're in custody their attorney knows where to find them. If they're on the run again they'll make representation most inconvenient.

[@glowblank17]

@@kathryngeeslin9509, *GLAD they sh0t up the school 🤠!*

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

@@glowblank17 You must be a baby troll. Need more experience.

[@PR7-82]

That's why we call them the Crummy Crumbleys!

[@deidreb.6540]

That`s what I was hearing too

[@beanj580]

Let me get this straight, Mom thought Ethan could possibly be suicidal enough to text don't do it, yet they bought him a gun as a gift?! I call bologna on that. She text him don't do it in reference to shooting up the school.

[@ronnieking3848]

Exactly!!

[@kevinmach730]

That text was sent after the shooting was public information and the parents realized the gun was gone. That has already been established by the time line. Clueless parents as they may have been, once she knew a shooting took place and the gun was missing, what little mothering instinct she may have had kicked in and she assumed he was going to kill himself when the carnage was over. As shitty as it is to say, it probably would have been best for everyone involved if that's exactly what he did do.

[@eckankar7756]

@@kevinmach730 I wonder if the parents got him the gun to kill himself and be rid of him, not anticipating he'd shoot up the school instead.

[@kiarasatchell4252]

Nobody is talking about how the school is responsible as well. They should have taken greater action to ensure he did not come back

[@PATUZI]

Best reply for sure Kiara, lock them up.

[@oranjmusemeyer968]

Technically, he hadn't done anything worthy of disciplinary action yet. If they suspended every student over a drawing, it would cause huge problems. Plus, legally it's not possible. Students have rights as well. I am playing the other side of the coin here, but what exactly had he done that warranted removal? He hadn't hurt another student YET, and a drawing doesn't infringe on the rights of other student's educational process. One of my former students murdered his mother, chopped her head, hands and feet off and dumped her torso off of a remote highway. The student had no friends, no one in my class wanted him in their group work assignments and no one wanted to next to him. But... he was new, we had not received his records yet, saying that I went to the counseling office twice over issues I thought needed attention and he refused to talk to the counselor. Technically, he had done nothing wrong, but he was strange and gave everyone the creeps. You can't remove a student for making the hair on the back of your neck stand up! Legally he had done nothing violating the school's code of conduct! I used to have my students journal everyday in class... sometimes they wrote some pretty dark stuff, sometimes I found out personal things about a student that made me cry but you can not judge a person for something they not yet done. Now, his parents should never have given him a gun, that is true... if they are making the claim he was depressed then they knew there was a problem! I have seen my fair share of bad behavior from students, I was an intervention teacher for part of my career... but none of those kids ever killed anybody. My point is, how do you judge when behavior has yet to happen?

[@jsmithepa]

With the history of school shootings, one would think they should had done more, so yeah I blame them too.

[@gamersens2363]

I agree. Even if the school didn’t suspend they still had more than enough reasoning to search his bag and locker. From what I read the gun was in his backpack. Either or that drawing he did is more than enough to search the kid.

[@YT4Me57]

They did what was permitted by Department of Education protocol and law.

[@janice576]

I thought the school cld his mother and she WOULDN'T PICK HIM UP. She said leave him there.. They both could have prevented this if they got him HELP he so badly needed. Sad how parent's don't care anymore about their children. My deepest condolences to everyone who lost a loved one that day and to others who will suffer everyday of their lives do to this horrific act of violence.

[@elbob248]

The judge should tell them to STFU and double their bonds.

[@howiescott5865]

REMANDED.... NO BAIL...

[@diddlydeuce]

Who the fu*k buys their homicidal son a firearm?! This boy didn’t hide his ill intentions!!!! May these parents get LIFE

[@hotel_arcadia]

Chances are, they were expecting the son to kill himself so they wouldn't have to deal with him.

[@andmicbro1]

Who tf buys any kid a gun, let alone a mentally unstable kid? Couple of psychos.

[@otallono]

and then complains about taking the fall for their actions.. in most cases parents probably wouldn't want their son to go to prison so they would trade positions, of course you can't normally do that. They should be happy for the fact that they can.

[@alelectric2767]

@@hotel_arcadia This is an excellent take.

[@hotel_arcadia]

@@alelectric2767 That sarcasm?

[@peterfontaine3535]

I think the school should be held responsible also for not doing anything and sending him back to the room...

[@juliaweber212]

I agree because the school knew the day before it's not just the parents the school is responsible

[@JohnFKennedy420]

Agreed

[@amandasprague717]

Exactly

[@ebo7310]

Exactly

[@Eric95372]

If they knew he had a gun available to him … absolutely. But no one wants to believe someone is going to shoot up a school. The parents knew he had access to gun that is a different case

[@capalot6028]

these parents are a disgrace, they allowed their child to do this. imagine gifting your unstable teenager a weapon or a teenager in the first place.

[@michtig]

For a long time, inadequate parents who shouldn't have kids have been getting away without any consequences for all the atrocities that their poorly raised kids cast on society.

[@catholicdad]

The State caused this by awarding custody almost exclusively to mother's often based on those mother's lies. The State really has created this problem. Sadly, like most other State ills, the media refuses to report the facts. In this particular case, the media reported that the parents turned themselves in. Now, they're reporting a different story. Too bad the media in this country is for sale. They have one job, report the facts. This stopped happening in the 90s, though it's been present since the 80s. Like we're stupid or something. I will admit, a mob mentality is present in this country, cultivated by paying sponsors, government, & media.

[@christopherd5941]

@@catholicdad ok….Don’t take this as if I’m defending the media or even the comment made above, because I definitely am not. In fact, I thoroughly believe that most people are commenting on this case with fucking red in their goddamn eyes and they truly need to take a more logical approach with this case because it could have real consequences……BUT- Not only did your comment make less fucking sense the longer you went on with it, but it had almost zero relevance to this case. You started off seemingly well enough with, “The State caused this…”, but you side tracked your own argument almost immediately from the state directly to the media, as if they were one in the same. You go on with your own conspiracy while seemingly just forgetting what the hell you were even commenting on….Did you know what you were actually commenting on? That’s not a rhetorical or condescending question, I’m honestly fucking curious.

[@catholicdad]

@@christopherd5941 So, because of my rambling & incoherent words, people on this thread are now dumber, you award me no points, & may God have mercy on my soul?

[@christopherd5941]

@@catholicdad actually, yeah…if that’s the way you want to look at it, that pretty much sums it up right there. 👏 I’m, honestly, quite impressed you saw your own flaws that quickly. Not so much the “God have mercy on your soul” part; Jesus, this isn’t medieval times.

[@timothywheeler4268]

THEY DON'T GIVE A S*** ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE HE KILLED BY JUST ARE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING OUT OF JAIL THEY HAVE NEVER REMORSE FOR WHAT THEIR SON DID

[@tammy6992]

Oh my gosh he was screaming for help please help me the thoughts won’t stop my gosh so sad

[@TheEd1225]

Collateral damage caused by horrible parenting

[@glowblank17]

@@TheEd1225, *GLAD they sh0t up the school 🤠!*

[@TheEd1225]

@@glowblank17 whos they?

[@MikeBrown-ex9nh]

Hiding in a warehouse kind of ruins your credibility as not a flight risk.

[@cal88usa]

It’s crazy how a trucker lost his breaks, crashed and got 100 years. We see hear how these parents bought their son a GUN, and took it to school and killed 4 people. They are asking for a small bond, this is BS, give all of them 100 years without any possibility of parole.

[@COlson-rh3dg]

Boo hoo. No one here has been sentenced yet.

[@germanshepherd6638]

Lost his breaks? How do you lose your breaks? 🤔

[@insertname193]

It was an excessive sentence, but he didn’t just lose his brakes. There’s a lot more to that incident. The guy deserves at least 5 years per death for his negligence.

[@TeslaOG]

@@COlson-rh3dg doesn’t matter there is enough evidence that they will all get 25 to life in due time. Then they will all be killed in prison. Watch and see.

[@RacerMP1]

@@germanshepherd6638 down hill, brakes can overheat and lose grip on the drum. It's a common issue. That's how you lose brakes.

[@kinpatsu6366]

Let's remember that the parents also took out $4,000 in cash from the bank. They were going to leave and just let their son sit in jail. Wonderful parents. I hope that the judge DOESN'T reduce the bond.

[@violentvioletvengeance5616]

BS story Crisis Actors!!!

[@eckankar7756]

bizarre they had that cash in the bank and so behind on mortgage payments.

[@mrjones2721]

@@eckankar7756 There’s a point when you’re so behind that you stop paying everything and save up what you can to make it through the inevitable bankruptcy.

[@jemmaj2919]

the school should have reported it too. They failed the other students, especially those Now dead/injured

[@pamelamorley0218]

Ya think?? I was just commenting the same thing. Why the school didn’t call the authorities right away is beyond me. If it had been responsible parents who immediately got their son help, that would have been one thing. Didn’t happen. But you think the school would have been required to call authorities. Makes no sense.

[@misswendyjane4992]

They did report it - to the parents. I'm not sure who else they could have reported his actions to since he didn't break any laws. Try calling the cops and saying a teenager drew some disturbing things in class.

[@nealteitelbaum8660]

I agree. The schools need to be on trial here too. They are the ones that should be the experts at this. The issue was so obvious that the teacher even took pictures.

[@DirkDaJerk]

@@misswendyjane4992 oh I don't know, they could have searched his backpack that morning when they brought him into the office because of things he has said that day. Maybe suspended him until he was put in contact with a professional mental health provider. If the parents are responsible for his actions, so are the school since they took no action to prevent a foreseeable tragedy.

[@nealteitelbaum8660]

@@misswendyjane4992 The child should have been suspended and forced to seek help before being allowed to come back to school. The evidence on that worksheet was too obvious to just call the parents. Parents are sometimes the last people to understand their own children. I don't know what procedure is currently in place but it probably needs to be changed.

[@slimjames1917]

They provided him a weapon and kept it easily accessible, they all but killed the students themselves

[@natedawg1007]

I don’t think every single case of a child committing a crime immediately means the parents are also at fault. In fact I would say that’s insane. But this case is obviously on the parents as well. Basically bought and loaded the gun and dropped him off at school. And also decided to run and hide cause they know they are guilty

[@faith2xxx]

Don't forget they also hired high power attorneys to represent themselves while their son is given a public defender.

[@natedawg1007]

@@faith2xxx didn’t know that. Shows how much they cared for him. I refuse to believe that someone can be born evil. I wish this kid had a chance to grow up with good caring parents.

[@hoptoit5910]

They should have been refused bond in the first place

[@Dessamator]

I think a question that should be asked: If they had been successful in hiding from the law, were they truly okay to just leave their son alone to hold the bag for all of this? I think the obvious answer proves why they need to remain in jail during all of this, and why they are so very guilty of the charges the DA has brought against them. They helped the boy be this way.

[@violentvioletvengeance5616]

BS story Crisis Actors!!!

[@pamelafulks582]

please tell me there are no other children.This act was not just irresponsible but criminal.

[@lastlime3792]

A person shoots someone or robs someone with a gun....that’s on themselves. Texas kid who brought the gun to school, shot multiple people got off and he got the gun from home(no accountability for them and almost zero coverage).

[@futuristicshadow8457]

@@lastlime3792 you do realize they bought him a gun even tho he was depressed so 100% their fault 😂

[@lastlime3792]

Ben Brown Hitler was depressed, turned down by a Jewish girl and given a gun.... your logic sounds like you are saying it was 100% not hitlers fault🙄

[@tg6301]

Since charging the parents, so when will the teachers and the counselor of the school be charged with involuntary manslaughter for not keeping the child out of the school and keeping other children safe, after so many instances and evidence of issues with the child? Knowing and most likely suggesting he needed counseling for his actions, comments, etc...

[@erin6641]

I know I'm for this story, but did the shooter, Ethan, kill himself, too??

[@Runicviewer2]

If I was the Judge, I would double their bond, just because they already fled once.

[@HaloHighlightz]

"The thoughts won't stop." Oh, that breaks my heart. He was reaching out for help, the teacher addressed it and his parents brushed it off. My prayers for the victims' families.

[@royharper2003]

he sounded suicidal

[@yoshikirby101]

@@royharper2003 he definitely was and not only that he was lonely it seems as well. They said he only had one friend and they moved away

[@Mama-du6hp]

The school should have baker acted him at that point. They could’ve done something too to help this poor child. Mental health is a serious issue.

[@kaceeharrison3715]

He did not reach out for help. He wrote those thoughts down a scribbled them out. That isn't asking for help. He knew exactly what he was doing. This is a terrible kid who has no sympathy for the people he murdered and you shouldn't feel bad for him.

[@tira2145]

The school brushed it off to. When will there be charges against them?

[@scottbowling58]

The parents knew the kid had problems before all this happened. But if these parents get charged there's a lot of other parents that need to be charged also for the same thing.

[@AS-fu1kd]

I think a big point is being made with these parents getting charged. Now parents will realize their child's problems ARE their problem too. These 2 parents bought a kid with obvious deep troubles a gun. What else did they think would happen? Parents need to be held accountable when they enable a child to be a monster.

[@dopeboybarber8174]

Exactly they would have to go back and review everything that happened regarding parental irresponsibility since the columbine tragedy AND NOT ONLY THAT but they would now need to whip up an entire branch of laws regarding parenting in general and minors in mass murders and other tragedies

[@charlescarter3595]

Yes, I don't see a problem there at all. Your child, Your responsibility.

[@morphis811]

Why didn’t the school search his back pack when they found the drawings or kick him out of the school instead they let him go back to class and he ended up shooting kids .. the school is to blame also

[@angle5520]

Yes, and this will be the precedent for future charges against parents--this is the case they will reference at the Supreme Court. This is a massive, massive case.

[@warrenkuhn7974]

This kid never had a chance with his parents , he was crying out for help before he did what he did . I imagine his home life was the main cause of all of this .

[@marinadubois7347]

The parents bought the handgun 4 days before the shooting as an early “Christmas “ gift for the killer. They knew the son was unstable. The gun was in the killer’s backpack when the parents insisted the boy remain in school. The “mom” sent a text to her son : “don’t do it”. They knew he had the gun.

[@JasonDrennen]

Obviously you didn't listen. The gun was locked up and hidden. The mom texted the boys so he wouldn't commit suicide. What is she supposed to do text him and say kill yourself. The brains of some people.

[@ericrivera8410]

@@JasonDrennen better he kill himself than innocent kids on school.

[@shari9721]

@@JasonDrennen If you actually thought your child was going to kill themself don't you think you would do a hell of a lot more than sending a lousy text saying "don't do it" ? It is absolutely sickening, pathetic and extremely sad that she didn't even care enough or couldn't even be bothered to even put out the effort to CALL him , to tell him how much she loves him , to keep him talking , reassuring him, as she was driving as fast as possible to get to her child. smdh

[@shari9721]

@@JasonDrennen if the gun was PROPERLY locked up and hidden then how did he get it and have it in his bag ?

[@rexman971]

@NickRichardson your the piece of shit for thinking these two deserve as much punishment as the killer.

[@MollyHuffle]

What upsets me about all of this is his parents failed him. What he did was wrong and there’s no excuse; however, it could have been prevented if the right steps were taken. Every child deserves a parent but not every parent deserves their kid. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their family. I hope justice will prevail on this earth towards the kid and his parents and they get what they deserve.

[@oceanstaiga5928]

Most of these kind of things could be prevented if there were people taking a child’s issues seriously and report threats to law enforcement…

[@noahhuveneers1602]

School busted him multiple times, i think everyone failed miserably in this case.

[@violentvioletvengeance5616]

@@noahhuveneers1602 BS story Crisis Actors!!!

[@chastitylampkin6028]

The right steps, this kid was in a deep deep depression, the notes were shown that one of his friends moved away, plus his sweet dog 🐕 had just died, then he felt the whole wide world is dead in so many ways which this world is really at the end in so many ways, so he decided to take out some class mates,which was not right at all , the parents should have not got him these guns,this don't make no sense on the parents parts why these parents asking for a lower bond ❓❓ but rest in peace to these kids that r gone 2 heaven along with Kentucky tragedy 😭🕊️🕊️✌️✌️✌️✌️😭😭😭🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹😭😭🕊️🕊️☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️🕊️🕊️🕊️☮️☮️✌️✌️✌️🕊️☮️🕊️🌹🌹🌹🌹🕊️☮️🌹🌹🌹🌹🕊️☮️

[@noahhuveneers1602]

@@violentvioletvengeance5616 Bro, in a differeng video about this case they said the teachers found him on a schoolcomputer looking at guns etc. Where in the world is this BS. Parents have failed and this case, basically almost all cases, school failed too.

[@skylerwave2157]

Any kid who tortures or harms animals is already showing the signs of pychopathy and steps should be taken to prevent him from harming any more animals or people. These parents were so neglectful, they raised a psychopath, and bought him a gun and took him out shooting. What did they expect would happen???

[@PR7-82]

That why we call them the Crummy Crumbleys!

[@terrell172]

Next time I hope it ends with parents dead in murder suicide by gun toting sun...the tragedy of it all

[@FLdancer00]

This how the world keeps getting tortured by psychopaths, parents refusing to see the signs & lock those kids up.

[@herschelwright4663]

I heard that back in the mid 2010s the parents would leave their son home alone numerous times while they were out drinking for hours.

[@LadyAtheOnly]

They have proven to be flight risks.

[@tyvanderpump2317]

Technically, that’s not true. They weren’t served with papers when the news reported they tried to “flee”

[@LadyAtheOnly]

@@tyvanderpump2317 I get it but, we just have to agree to disagree. They didn't need papers to feel the heat. They either knew or felt what was coming and fled. Distancing themselves from the community was a reasonable reaction but most people go to relatives or check into a hotel but taking a hefty amount of cash out of the bank and being held up in a warehouse not too far from the US/Canadian border isn't a good look.

[@Gyngr_art]

If they knew their child was depressed and thought he might hurt himself, why the F did they get him a gun? doesnt make sense.

[@joemoody2626]

At all almost like there being scapegoats

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

it makes sense. he liked guns. they live in a hunting state. he was sad. parents buy things when their kids are sad. the end.

[@kellygervais3440]

Making of a monster by Jennifer and James Crumbley, poor kid never stood a chance...

[@christinacody5845]

@@jusletursoulglobaby A handgun is NOT a hunting gun. The only reason to have that kind of weapon is either defensive or offensive, not for hunting food. The teen used it for offense and took innocent lives.

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

@@christinacody5845 first off, relax. second, consider reading slower. I never said the gun type bozo. I responded to "make sense" of what OP could not.

[@kurtmorris454]

they've already fled once. Doesn't that prove that they absolutely can not be trusted?

[@danab172]

Why isn't there a case against the teacher and the school for not searching his backpack and allowing him to go to class after reading his alarming letter?

[@shilohgoes5544]

They might not have thought he could be capable of a school shooting, I can see how you could feel that way as a parent. But all the signs pointed to him being potentially suicidal and they should have made sure he did not have access to a single gun, taken him out of school, and gotten him in to therapy with all of those warning signs.

[@518hs]

That's the truth!

[@thebeast8429]

All the signs in hindsight* You also have to take into consideration how manipulative this kid could have been.

[@shilohgoes5544]

@@thebeast8429 No, they were faced with it head-on. They were negligent to say the very least. If he was manipulative he learned that behavior from somewhere.

[@thebeast8429]

@@shilohgoes5544 Lmao so its impossible that a teenager is manipulative naturally? A normal teenager is capable of being naturally manipulative, a psychopathic teenager is definitely naturally manipulative.

[@shilohgoes5544]

@@thebeast8429 she saw the drawings, knew he was obsessed with guns (and fed that obsession), knew he was depressed and had just went through losing his only friend and his dog. He didn’t manipulate anyone, he was showing clear as day who he was and how he was struggling. As his mother she was blind to not see that. And negligent. End of story

[@dianasloan7896]

The parents are at fault, but the school administration should have called the police when the parents were notified of their son's behavioral problems!

[@startingQB]

I can understand where you're coming from, but the police isn't the solution to every problem. Although, I do believe they should have, at least, brought in a counselor.

[@ashfrog8]

Absolutely

[@umebee95]

at least had security to make sure , they left school grounds instead allowing child return to class

[@dianasloan7896]

@@startingQB I think the law requires an officer to be called in a threatening situation like this. An Officer would not be worried about the school's reputation or the parent's lack of concern and would have taken the kid for evaluation. My thoughts.

[@When.Amen.Loves.A.Woman.]

@@MrBluesMessiah right, I get that. But couldn’t the school in the very least have searched him and his locker. The teacher would be able to recall when that drawing was made due to the the assignment. Add to that searching for bullets online at school and school getting calls from parents regarding their concerns that the kid was showing off his weapon via social media. There was just too much to let him walk to class and not have checked him.

[@ShineWine]

Yes, Hold the parents accountable. But I’m confused about the fact that he drew this and did not get suspended from school this is also on behalf of the school because why on earth would you allow someone to attend school the next day that’s kind of a terroristic threat

[@86kickass]

That wasn’t a terroristic threat it was a cry for help he wasn’t threatening anyone directly

[@livelaughlove0209]

@@86kickass you’re right, it was a cry for help but that makes me wonder why nothing was done when it happened? I’m in college now but when I was in high school all of my teachers could recognize when a student wasn’t doing very well and would make them stay behind after class to talk, or at the very least, talk to the student. Meanwhile Ethan was visibly depressed for weeks and no teacher did anything. They just took a picture of his homework. What happened to him, the loss of two friends and depression, doesn’t justify what he did, but explains it all too well. However any sane person would not go to school and shoot his fellow classmates because he’s depressed. It was an impulsive decision because he only recieved the gun the night before, but makes me think he must have had a history of violence, as usually school shooting suspects plan days and weeks in advance. It took him less than 24 hours

[@seasonseven422]

Yet if Ethan had a slight nose sniffle he would be required to leave the campus that day.

[@wadestak]

I think his parents knew Ethan had violent tendencies. The court filing stated he has a history of torturing animals and recently decapitated a baby bird and put its head in a jar to place in the school bathroom. Two witnesses who worked with the parents can vouch for Ethan’s animal abuse: one wrote she was always afraid of Ethan, said he was extremely violent and would hurt animals as a young child. Another wrote that Ethan was “highly intelligent” and knew there was something wrong with him. He showed her his demonic drawings, and told her he really enjoyed watching a deer suffer before dying. In my opinion, Ethan was not only violent but sadistic. He enjoyed the power and control he had over inflicting pain on living beings and watching them suffer in fear for their lives before they died and that’s what he intended to do in his murder plot. The way Ethan killed his last victim, Justin Shilling, really highlights this. Justin and his friend were hiding together in the bathroom stall when Ethan came in to re-load (after already gunning down students in the hallway, firing a total of 30 shots, half of which were close range). Ethan noticed he wasn’t the only in the bathroom so he kicked down the stall door, ordered Justin to get on his knees and shot him in the head. Then Ethan told the friend to get down next to Justin’s body, but he bolted out of the door and ran in time.

[@jaelynn7575]

My neighbor kid growing up also had an obsession with guns and his parents let him make toy guns, and as kids we played "guns!" They used to take him hunting. He also liked to shoot at small animals in his yard, across the street from our elementary school, with a BB gun but the kids on the block put an end to that. When he was 15, and a Freshman, he was bullied. He brought it on himself by acting violent, and wearing army fatigues to public school. His Mom seemed a lot like a servant to me, and less like a mother and wife. He'd beat up his little brother, and his brother picked on the dog. So I always wondered if the Dad beat up the kids. Their Dad would just sit there after school/work, with his newspaper blocking his view, and just let the older son beat up his little brother. He also took to tormenting me by throwing my house keys on his garage roof and refused for hours to get them, or get me a ladder. He once jumped me in a closet and tried to take off my jeans, I was 11 or 12, but luckily they were tight and it was warm, so he couldn't get them off. Anyways, one day we were all playing Kick the Can, and he came over with a friend, acting all weird and disrupting the game. There's a lot more to the story, but we saw that something was wrong. After many hours, and many attempts by us kids to get his keys from him, and lock him out of his house 'til his parents got home, he went in the basement and shot himself in the head. His Dad said he would have done it anyways, and it wasn't the "guns fault." This was in the '80s, before school-shootings became a fad.

[@River_blaze]

@@t.k159 prob molested. :(

[@keeprising8668]

Well said. I am curious how much Ethan projected his own parents in his vicious ways.

[@catgirl6803]

Unfortunately it's very difficult for parents to get help with these types of kids. They're just parents, not mental health professionals, so there is only so much they know how to do to help their kids. Access to help is expensive and often not covered. Ask anyone who has dealt with this- you can't force a kid to be institutionalized until he commits a crime. My sister dealt with this with my nephew. The kid didn't get help until he assaulted my dad. That was after he had been arrested for setting businesses on fire and stealing and crashing cars. My sister was in over her head and had nowhere to go. And this was after he was seen by professionals, on medication, and seeing counselors. They still couldn't help him.

[@shaunamcilwraith1064]

Hard, but did they try? I don’t hear them saying they were begging social services, or whatever other agencies there are, to get him help. Instead, they bought him a gun.

[@DavidIbarraJr]

obviously there was a reason why the kid had only one friend... there was something wrong with the kid... and there is something wrong with the parents.

[@oceanrocks]

The court filing states the parents knew their son was torturing animals, like birds and leaving the head of a baby bird in a jar. He brought the jar to the school and left it in a bathroom.

[@hadara69]

@@oceanrocks That's TEXTBOOK serial killer shit. Sheesh!

[@divinetiming8422]

@@oceanrocks You dont know that for a fact. Others that knew him said the opposite. Witnesses will be coming out in court.

[@Master_Petes_Theater]

@@divinetiming8422 The "Daily Beast" reported what "Ocean Rocks" claims.

[@glowblank17]

@@oceanrocks, *GLAD they sh0t up the school 🤠!*

[@spectacularrichbeautybrilli]

I’m just waiting to hear that the parents actually contributed to his depression issues. My first thought when this case surfaced. I wondered if they were emotionally abusive.

[@sarahelizabethnelson]

They were! There's videos of previous neighbors saying how they often neglected him, leaving him home alone at a young age to go out, and also they would bribe him to eat gross/hot things 🤔

[@spectacularrichbeautybrilli]

@@sarahelizabethnelson I believe it there a good reason why karma has them behind bars.

[@alexmcdonald9424]

@@sarahelizabethnelson you're so full of it. Quit spreading false information. They were not abusive parents - there was an in-depth interview with the guys ex-wife, and he isn't abusive - he's just a lazy sack of dirt with a high opinion of himself - same with his new wife. They can do no wrong, so why ever take blame for anything? This kid literally killed people out of angst, there's no excuse. Don't just blame his parents, blame the whole lot of them - he brought that gun to school, stashed it, and chose his timing. Victims tend not to victimize others, he was not a victim. See how he scratched out his drawings? He knew they were bad thoughts, he knew he was wrong, but he followed through anyway.

[@wadestak]

He has a history of torturing animals and recently decapitated a baby bird and put its head in a jar to place it in the school’s bathroom. He has lacked empathy for a long time.

[@spectacularrichbeautybrilli]

@@wadestak 😰

[@Scratchingforcash]

When I was the kids age my parents wouldn’t buy me a set of mechanic tools let alone a gun……..

[@Notmyname-co5sc]

Not all kids are like that. I had access to all kinds of guns. My friends had access to guns. 75 percent of my school growing up had guns. Nothing like this has ever happened. Not saying it cant. But, the simple act of buying your kid a firearm isnt unheard of nor inherently bad. Its the parents. And, media.

[@maryruggiero2884]

The question isn't about them not knowing their son was a danger, but SHOULD they have known. She considered going to the shooting range with her son as mother-son bonding, fun day. The gun was purchased for him as "an early Christmas present", and given to him. They had plenty of cause to know their son wasn't mentally what a kid his age should be. His only friend moved, his dog died...gee, nothing depressing about that, let's buy him a handgun! What could they have been thinking?? It's just my humble opinion, but I think they are complicit in the murders. But for the parents, the son couldn't have committed the crimes.

[@d4ever649]

Someone else said they hoped he would use it to kill himself but instead committed mass murder

[@letsexchangecansandbadadvi4245]

Why dont we all start to dress the same ...Gender nuetral ( of course) think the same, like the same music, basically live our lives the very same ways...their poor white working parents, who do things differently than you do..We ARE ALL STRANGERS NOW IN A STRANGE LAND!!

[@lisas8244]

@nomasporfavor It was obvious Ethan was in a downward spiral. Parents see those drawings and just leave him at school? come on!

[@davev9214]

@@letsexchangecansandbadadvi4245 Whats your point? Because "THEY'RE poor white working parents" they shouldn't be held accountable for massive lack of judgment and beyond carless parenting. Are you actually normalizing mass shootings?! Thats freaken ridiculous! Its called accountability and maybe just maybe other parents will think twice about gun safety and their children. You're part of the problem and not the solution.

[@letsexchangecansandbadadvi4245]

@@davev9214 no...we would have to lock up tens of millions more people if that were the case

[@MaineOneV1]

They the type of parents that get mad at you, when u tell them that their child is being bad.

[@lindamangoldbooth7789]

$11,000 behind in mortgage payments but spent money on a gun when they knew their child was depressed; somethings wrong with this picture. Also they had $4000 when found hiding? Things don't add up.

[@wadestak]

It seems like so many people feel sorry for Ethan and give excuses as to why he killed. I’ve seen some people say that he doesn’t belong in prison. Where is that same rhetoric for the 14 year old Hispanic kid who just killed 3 people where his own dad was the literal getaway driver. No one is giving any sympathies to him or bringing up his mental health issues or creating fake scenarios that he was being bullied to justify his homicidal rampage. The double standards are blatant when I scroll through the comments and the amount of people who demand that Hispanic kid needs the death penalty and branding him as evil, where as the comments surrounding Ethan, people are giving their upmost sympathies for him, some pushing for leniency and rehabilitation/treatment. Some saying that Ethan shouldn’t even be tried as an adult, including news articles. Others saying that his parents are more responsible than he is so he should get a lighter sentence. It’s insane that there are people out there who want Ethan to be released into society one day, like his crimes can be forgivable. So many people are treating Ethan like he robbed a convenience store. Both deliberately killed people, that kid killed 3 people and wounded 1, Ethan killed 4 people and wounded 7, and had 18 additional bullets left. Both need to be locked away for the rest of their lives.

[@WickedDealer]

Every School Admin should also be charged in this massacre for not searching the kid's bag and locker.

[@tiffanyhaddish5139]

Nobody wants to talk about blatant negligence on public school's part.

[@anonagain]

Most likely the school officials were afraid of being sued by the parents if they did a search or kicked him out.

[@M.J.R.]

If the parents did not buy the gun this would not have happened. Responsibility is all with the parents.

[@tiffanyhaddish5139]

@@M.J.R. if the parents didn't have kids, this wouldnt have happened

[@jocarroldodds1410]

@@tiffanyhaddish5139 I'm sorry but that's just an excuse and a sad one at best you will have to come up with something else better than that

[@cynthiacotney7918]

The school allowed him to return to class AFTER seeing these drawings? The school has accountability here!

[@martenkrueger8647]

And if i remember right...there was a vice principal...a teacher...a counselor...and a resource officer...but no one of that school checked or secured his back pack which he had in his possession!...

[@Simpleplanqueen5]

“they wont skip town”…..they literally already tried before

[@shuttergod8706]

Exactly! It’s beyond ridiculous that they’re getting bail

[@shaep9752]

I still want to point out that these monsters overshadowed a son who died a hero trying to fight the gunman. They taught their son to be a strong. I will never understand shooting up a school because you’re depressed.