DEEP & DARK SEASONS - Aren't they the Same?? Apparently Not.

[@giaw7867]

Yes! A vid on misconceptions in color analyses would be very interesting!

[@stylerefinement]

Awesome! I'll see what I can compile into ❤

[@lafin5467]

I second that!

[@artsyaliceyoung]

Yes, would love to watch that!

[@sarahallegra6239]

I third this!

[@zah936]

​@@stylerefinementthank you

[@mj_dolman5122]

This is very interesting but it's hard for me to keep track of which is which without seeing the deep vs dark colour palettes side by side and more examples of faces to compare.

[@sarahmitchell821]

Yes... it was a lot of information, quickly delivered--which I love--making a visual aid for a dark vs deep palette helpful

[@pocketfulofposey]

I was confused.

[@calliope6623]

Yep, the most common problem I see with the 12 season system is people who are cool, high contrast, and need soft colors. There is no category for them. They will automatically be put in winter instead of summer because of their dark hair, but winter is overall high chroma, and they are not. In reality, some people need dark vibrant colors, and other people need dark muted colors. But 12 seasons just automatically assigns vibrancy to high contrast cool folks, and softness to high contrast warm folks. Which seems completely arbitrary. Anyway, I like Miriam Style's system of cool/warm, radiant/delicate, high/low contrast. You can be any combination of those three factors, and it's pretty strait forward. Also, in spite of what everybody learns in school, the primary colors aren't red yellow and blue. They are more like yellow cyan and magenta for pigment, blue red and green for light, and red, green, yellow, and blue for our eye's color receptors. That actually makes color analysis simpler, because cool colors are on the blue end, and warm colors are on the yellow end. Greens and reds can lean warm or cool.

[@calliope6623]

I would probably be categorized as a deep autumn, but generally vibrant colors suit me better than soft colors. So I guess I would be a deep autumn, not dark autumn then.

[@idonotresidehere.5709]

YES. Im a soft summer but I feel like I reallyyy dont look good in those pastel colors that most soft summers do. I find I usually look better in slightly darker colors, so ive been saying that I'm a soft summer w winter influences.

[@janekof]

The primary colors are just best estimations and different wheels are suitable for different levels of understanding. It's a shame we don't expand on color theory later in schooling but that's what happens when you divest in arts. If you define primary colors as "a color that can't be made from another color", then you're out of luck as they don't really exist. Search up 'imaginary primaries' and you can see how. Sarah Renae Clark also does a good video of explaining it in the video 'Controversial Color Theory: RYB vs CMY Color Wheel - What are the REAL Primary Colors?'

[@gracemaple1060]

Interesting, using the outfit rule, I'd be a deep autumn rather than a dark autumn. I tend to look better in all dark outfits than dark and light, and when there is something light, its best if its in multiple places in my outfit separated in space. Saturation actually looks quite good on me as long as its also dark. I didn't realize how good I looked in red for the longest time, since most reds you can buy are really bright tomato reds. Dark red can still look very saturated but was weirdly hard to find as a single color (not part of a pattern) in clothing.

[@stylerefinement]

Darker reds immediately feel "stable" on me than tomato reds, but I'm actually closer to the "dark" season so I still need some softness :)

[@user-iw4yl7fp9p]

makes sense, I've always found the 'dark winter must wear deep lip colours' rule strange as there is so much evidence of celebrities put in that season being flattered by nude lips better - I would say Kim Kardashian is a good example of this. it also links to the theory that some dark winters can integrate soft summer shades into their wardrobe as their 'base' shades, that can be used as contrast with their deeper shades. i'm somewhere between dark winter and soft summer myself, i've settled on dark summer but this version of dark winter sounds like it could also work for me. i think the spectrum approach is especially helpful for those of us who don't resonate fully with one season

[@stylerefinement]

Yes - I agree with the theory about Dark/Soft Winters looking great with Soft Summer colors as the base, with added contrast using deeper colors! :)

[@Carrie-sgda]

Love this , I'm Deep Autumn in the 12 colour season system and soft autumn deep in the 16 and clearly dark autumn in the 20 colour seasons. This really describes me , I look great in charcoal and washed black but not clear black and look even better if the washed black is complimented by a medium to light warm and soft colour like light chocolate , camel or cream. I think the 20 season system maybe easier to understand.Thank you for this, I really love your videos , so easy to follow , understand and very informative and interesting. 👏X

[@stylerefinement]

I'm happy you found the video helpful and you resonate with it! ❤❤❤

[@linah.939]

I think we have the same coloring!

[@becm963]

I believe we have the same color system.

[@EnneagramEcho]

This way of understanding Color Analysis is so Refreshing because it is both super helpful and new❣ It makes sense and is offers insights not covered by others! 🌟

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you're finding the approach unique and helpful! Thank you for the compliment ❤

[@French-Kiss24]

Good point. When I was younger, I had nearly black hair with very fair skin and hazel eyes. I’ve had a hard time fitting into a season. I had my colors done and came out a Summer, which was a shock. However, I’ve come to realize that I’m on a spectrum between Summer and Winter. Black is too harsh next to my face,and really vivid colors are too much. But pastels don’t do it either. I now color my hair a medium ash brown due to my age, but I still need some medium-high contrast. So the palettes are a good guideline, but shouldn’t be a jail cell.

[@sadel21]

This is similar to my coloring. I had very dark hair when younger and have soft medium deep hazel eyes (cool olive with amber near the pupils). I was typed a summer years ago as well. However, I look good in pastels that have some depth, so I guess medium to deep colors.

[@stylerefinement]

100% agreed - seasons and palettes should only be a guideline!

[@sarutucigash]

Can you share the hair dye number and brand that you use for this medium ash brown?

[@French-Kiss24]

@@sarutucigash sure. L’Oréal Preference 4C. It is medium cool brown. It is for those of us who used medium ash brown, but it pulled too much red. This blocks the brassiness.

[@kelligray1848]

This is my exact coloring. Super pale skin, near black natural hair color and hazel eyes( go from army green to golden) and natural reddish lips. Can do tomato red but I rock deep blood red and deep cherry colors . Thank you for sharing.

[@TrewCrimeTime]

Finding out I’m a dark autumn has been life changing. There’s a whole new vibrancy in my overall appearance. I always thought I was a dark winter (black dyed hair) and found “bright” in general, looked off. I’ve fallen so in love with this palette, excited to buy new clothes!

[@ZeeDooley]

Thank you for this wonderful video explaining the difference between deep and dark seasons! I cannot express my gratitude for the videos you have shared explaining the nuances between colour seasons and colour systems! I hope you are enjoying the chilly autumn weather here in Toronto! ❤

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you liked the video! It's nice to be back home but yes my body is certainly going through an adjustment for the weather haha ❤❤❤

[@hgy.ytr.stephz6189]

The info you share is mind-blowing! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge to help us/me understand why something looks off. You have an amazing skill of explaining complex concepts in such an easy way.

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you found the video helpful! I'll continue with my research to deliver more useful content in the future ❤❤❤

[@vivirodriguezc]

I think I'm deep winter or autumn (I feel l look good on both temperatures). My best colors are dark with mid-to-high saturation, like jewel tones, those look great for me. Light or very muted colors look terrible on me. Actually yesterday I was trying out a bottle green blouse compared to a peach one and my mom was surprised to see how the lighter one actually made my eyebags darker and the dark blouse made them look lighter and smoother. This was really helpful, thanks Jen!

[@IceQueen975]

I'm in a similar boat as you, except a section of muted colors DO look good on me, specifically muted autumn colors. It makes me feel uncomfortably split between 3 seasons somehow :/

[@stylerefinement]

Glad you liked the video! :)

[@bethdickinson132]

so helpful! Dark autumn explains why while warm, more saturated greens look good on me, Kelly green (that's a high clarity color, right?) is not my best color. Would love to see you do this kind of analysis as to what happens to your color family as your hair greys - particularly if you are a soft person with not a lot of strong defining features. I'm finding grey hair totally washes me out, and that neither the coolness of the grey, nor lightening my hair to any kind of blond (blond does not go with my skin) works.

[@stylerefinement]

Thank you for the interesting topic suggestion! Seems like lots of people are interested in changes to your best colors as your hair greys. Let me see what I can come up with ❤

[@bethdickinson132]

@@stylerefinement thank you!

[@danielmajor1333]

I could appreciate more picture moodboard or celebritiy examples for each term like contrast, mute, and everything to point out the takeaway.

[@bubblesbubbly8525]

Love what you said at the end about just finding where you land on the three main factors - that's exactly what I've been thinking with all of these different seasons being thrown around. I'd probably consider myself a "soft, cool, and deep", which in my case I guess is closest to "deep summer" in the 16-season system. Navy has been the big discovery of the year for me, and how I really do think I'm a soft rather than a bright!

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you resonate with the spectrum approach :)

[@jesyheller199]

This really helps! I've been struggling with my autumn subseason because some of the dark/deep autumn colors are too strong/bright, but many of the soft autumn colors lack the contrast I need. I am dark because light lipsticks don't provide enough contrast on my face. I have the kind of eyes you don't want to draw too much attention so I need the contrast on my lips to balance it out. Plus I just look frumpy without contrast in my clothes.

[@nitzan3782]

The disclaimer is so important. I'm a deep winter and have lips so narrow that they end where my nostrils do, and my nose, while prominent, isn't wide at all. I never got why most lipstick shades AND no lipstick looked off on me - I can only pull a nude+ shade. It was your video with both Kylie and Bebe that explains it - my volume is closer to Bebe than OG Kylie, probably along the lines of fillered-up Kylie, but the narrowness makes it as much of a minefield as thin lips, but nobody warned me before.

[@stylerefinement]

Agreed - and with narrow lips even overlining the lips doesn’t help much 😢😭

[@marig9236]

I understand. purple eyeshadow and tops etc look great, purple lipstick... big nope

[@nitzan3782]

@@stylerefinement Overlining looks ever worse than on thin lips. My sister is thin-lipped but has a wider mouth and straying from her lips' limits looks fine on her but the second I so much as color the normally skin-toned borders of the outer lip I look like a toddler who played with mommy's cosmetics

[@nitzan3782]

@@marig9236 Ironically as a DW purple lipstick is the only kind that works for me, since nude lips like Bebe's ALSO look off(she's a soft season). Just not too dark or too navy-adjacent. Red lips look off on me, they need more than just the tinge of purple my season's rec on bold red lips have.

[@_samaa]

Wow this was so interesting! It would be amazing to see a more detailed video on the same topic. I've never seen anyone talk about this and I have seen a LOT of videos on color analysis.

[@snt_gulab]

This is the most helpful video I’ve ever watched on colour analysis. Thanks for posting all this in such a resonant and informative manner. Keep it up! New subscriber 😊❤

[@stylerefinement]

Welcome ❤

[@sarahallegra6239]

Ah, I had to rewatch this when I wasn’t as tired as I was the first time through, but now I’ve got it! I’m definitely a deep winter. Thank you for your excellent explanations and examples! This was really cool!! 🖤

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you liked the video!! :D

[@matanglawin03]

So hard to find fellow deep winters, more so finding info about it. Thanks for the video and I hope more deep winter content can be shared for people like us 💜

[@EmL-kg5gn]

I’ve just been noticing this with my own clothes recently, but I didn’t have any words for it. Thank you for sharing this and giving me words for what I see!!!

[@stylerefinement]

Glad it was helpful! ❤

[@nagrabagra4924]

I cannot believe how difficult it has been to understand why I look so bad in my clothing. It has been a long hard road of reading and watching tons of vids and articles on the subject. But you my dear Jenn, have helped me the most. Listening to you debating all the color theories and ideas of why and how has brought me to a better understanding of skin tones and looking at selfies of me literally wearing ever article of clothing I wear comparing different values and hues against my skin has helped me arrive at a ward robe selection of colors that look great on me and it's easier to dress everyday also. I watch all your vids even if I'm not sure that it applies to me because, in some way It will give me a greater understanding of color. I even found a lip coloring that is harmonious with my skin and doesn't draw attention to my long philtrum!!! I'm so excited to be armed with the new info and I feel more confident about it all. I am going gray and because I watched your vid on lighter hair helping to widen your face if it's too thin and long, I found a natural hair lightener recipe on line and apply it to my hair once a week and it's lightening it beautifully and naturally so that it doesn't look as awful as chemical lightening kits. So it makes my face look all the better by not accentuating the narrowness. And the lighter my hair gets it blends the gray hair into it looking less noticeable. I'm still a little confused about why I look better in the colors that I do, because I've heard that you can wear any color as long as the hue and value were right for you but I can't wear any form or purple or red no matter whether it's warm or cool. So that has me a little flummoxed. But the medium color of peach with a lot of yellow in it looks fabulous on my skin! And I had no idea that I was a Peach!! TY for expanding on the seasons, I love every bit of it!!

[@stylerefinement]

Aww thank you so much for the sweet and detailed comment :) I'm glad you're finding my content helpful!

[@AJ-zk7go]

I resonated with the this , I was recently typed as true muted in the 16 season apparently it's the rarest group , and reason I had a analysis as years ago I was draped and the consultant couldn't decide if I was dark autumn or dark winter & settled on dark autumn , and I tried another system and I was a toasted summer which was originally named deep soft summer with a touch of warmth and skin has neutral under tones it is close to true muted , I have always struggled with colours especially hair , as I can't go too light ash or black it washes me out and red makes me look clownish ,I had my hair dyed light ash blonde and it did not suit at all so I went to a hairdresser who was a colour specialist she told me you need deep colours not dark but deep and explained , for example if you go blonde it's has to be for a example a deep dirty blonde your colourings need depth it was a big game changer , and the lip stick is the same the colours that are deep not dark suit me the rich deep berry's , I have seen articles on transitions colours which I think are over looked but I believe you should just stick to what level of depth suits you and not get too hung up with clothes as if you have the right hair colour and makeup as you said which is closest to your face that's more important after all the colour consultation I have come to that conclusion if you get too hooked on the clothes colours you loose focus on the style ,get the colours right with hair makeup and with clothes style first then colours , thanks for this love to see more on depth not dark x

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you found the video helpful! More in-depth content on color seasons coming soon

[@knit-sewdelight8664]

This is very true. I’m a winter, but I can wear deep colors in the winter palette, but also sultry colors and a few of the bright colors.. it was actually hard for the color consultant to nail down where I fell in the winter spectrum.

[@mahamzahid7846]

This really cleared up a lot for me! I knew I was a winter, and I have mostly ruled out true winter, but the other two options didn’t feel a 100% right on me, and some of my best colours didn’t fit entirely into soft or dark winter either. I now know that the quality to look for within the winter palette is clarity!

[@gamergirlmars]

Please yes! The misconceptions video. I'm actually Albino, I have type 2, which means I do have some melanin just hugely diminished. My skin is what is most impacted, I was born with white platinum blonde hair and blue/gray eyes. It's taken me forever to realize I fall between the cracks and people type me wrong all the time, lol. I am Slavic and Spanish, the rest of my family is dark olive tanned skin, black/brown hair, and brown eyes. I can wear super contrasty colors, dark colors, and it makes my skin look glowing and beautiful. I look gray washed out with blonde hair, it's interesting, because people say I couldn't possibly be winter, but I can because of the albinism. I really like this video. I want to make my own video with the evidence I've gathered for misconceptions, and it's really nice to see you wanting to cover this too. It's really needed there aren't enough videos with people who understand how to type people like this.

[@stylerefinement]

Noted!

[@lindaroy4061]

Thank you for another excellent video Jenn! This is so timely as I think it’s especially helpful to understand this theory before buying a big ticket item like a winter jacket/coat. If your workout leggings don’t necessarily flatter your tone, it’s not really a big deal in my opinion. But it’s so valuable before choosing an investment piece that will last for years!!

[@stylerefinement]

I agree 100% Linda! As we move away from Fast Fashion it's so crucial to understand your best colors before spending the big $ :P

[@chh1302]

Thank you for putting so much effort into your videos, it makes them very high quality :)

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you liked the video! ❤

[@NoOne-wt3sv]

I’m so glad you made this video. I believe I’m a deep winter. I have a ashy, softness to my coloring.

[@MorningClarity]

Wouldn't that be "Dark" (with some grey),and less "Deep" which is more clear?

[@NoOne-wt3sv]

@@MorningClarity hmm I’m still learning. I believe dark is more clear than deep. Dark is darker in tone than deep. Isn’t deep softer than dark hence the gray?

[@MorningClarity]

@@NoOne-wt3sv let's check the transcript, as I thought she suggested "deep" was the clear one, "dark" was the softer one(?)

[@MorningClarity]

@@NoOne-wt3sv check 4:57 to see what she says

[@julesdm6905]

Thank you for making this video. I'd love to see examples of deep vs dark autumn colors, especially red.

[@Filianyntix]

Oh my god I had no idea deep and dark seasons were different. Thank you so much for the video.

[@stylerefinement]

You're very welcome! :D

[@T_Cup]

Great video, and hope the family event is fun!

[@stylerefinement]

Thank you so much! ❤ I'm here for about 3 weeks :)

[@g3andrea]

I LOVE how you explain the science behind your theories! This make so much more sense to me. Is there an easily available resource to explore the 20 seasons color analysis system? Keep up the great content!

[@stylerefinement]

Thank you Andrea! The sources I've used are Korean so you'd need to translate them if you don't speak the language, but here are some of the resources that I've found to be most helpful learning about the 20 seasons: blog.naver.com/kbpcolor m.blog.naver.com/dahyun1119

[@onewisteria]

Yes was waiting for this ✨✨

[@stylerefinement]

❤❤❤

[@shironerisilk]

Your content always goes above and beyond! It's always here I see stuff I didn't see anywhere else, always so fresh and insightful. I was always a bit iffy with the 20 seasons color system because it sounded to me like people just wanting to be ''special'' (lol) and was always an adamant advocate of the 12 seasons color season as sufficient in my opinion. But this video convinced me of its utility based on my own case. I'm a Dark/Deep Autumn (I always thought the name ''Dark Autumn'' more romantic so I used this one), but I always felt I didn't need all of that warmth of the lighter colors of the DA pallette and I always get a lot of compliments in full black, which isn't supposed be one of THE BEST colors for DAs. Some people suggested I could be ''an Autumn flowing into Winter''. I also don't feel it overwhelms me but instead highlights the contrast between my skin, hair and my facial features. So I guess I'm probably a Deep Autumn in the 20 season system! PS: The dark lipstick test is a bit trickier though. I NEED darker lipstick but it's totally possible for me to go TOO dark (I hated like Revlon's Raisin Rage on me, which is supposed to be great for DAs). I guess that might be because I have high contrast and high visual weight, but not as extreme as someone like Lily Collins.

[@stylerefinement]

lol I hear you about 20 seasons being a bit much. I do think that the seasons lose their characteristics as we segregate them further and further... but I guess that's also the whole point! And yes - about the dark lips, the actual darkness and intensity should also matter!

[@maysabadawy6044]

your videos are the highlight of my fridays, thanks for making fridays more interesting ❤️❤️

[@stylerefinement]

Thank you for the sweet comment ❤ Happy Friday!

[@sona2889]

Superb video ❤ I was identifying myself as dark but always felt it wasn't quite right! Turns out I am deep. Thanks 🙏

[@stylerefinement]

Glad you liked the vid! 😊❤

[@joycathryn]

It seems like maybe you’re describing the difference between dark seasons who look best with a lot of value contrast and those who look better with less value contrast. I can definitely relate to that. I think I’m a deep something, coming around to thinking I’m actually slightly cool. I look fantastic in saturated colors, i.e. high chroma/clarity, but I do not look good in high contrast between dark and light. My level of contrast doesn’t support it. My skin is medium brown and my hair is brown-black. I also don’t look that great in colors that are TOO dark. Rich jet black, deep dark navy etc. So I look good in a bit of softness like soft black and winter white, but not a lot of softness; and I look good in intense colors like magenta, even cherry, and certain shades of blue and teal. I actually think I might be a bright winter, but looking at me darkness is definitely the first noticeable thing. Thick black hair and heavy black eyebrows and eyes that look black. Just nothing is jet black. The struggle is so real.

[@alicec.6195]

I am 100% sure I am a winter but I could never figure out exactly which one because of my best colours. I typed myself as a dark winter because my main characteristic is not cool and super bright colors look ok on me but are not the best, so I can't be a true winter or bright winter (as far as I know). I know I need saturation, nothing soft or muted suits me. BUT, my best colours are not the deepest/darkest tones I see in dark winter either. For example, one of the best colours ever for me is emerald green. In theory, the best should be more like a dark forest green. Same for the reds, the darkest red/burgundy is not particularly the best for me. So this video gave me a bit of clarity and puts me more towards the dark instead of deep.

[@r.p.8906]

Royal Blue, Navy Blue, True red and White are the colors that make my face "pop". It's most noticeable with my hair. I colored it burgandy red with deep blue undertone. My entire face popped beyond belief. A hairdresser in Paris saw this right away when he first saw me when I was in my 20's and said I need to become a " red-haired". I was not at all interested. 4o years later, I did it and He was right. I also suddenly "became" 20 years younger. Theory is great but personal practice and high end professionals' advise are the real deal. Thanks!!

[@stylerefinement]

Personal experience trumps theory for sure!

[@EinenoHibiki]

While I don't like this overly detailed system, your explanation with graphs and relation to facial features makes so much sense. Thank you.

[@stacymitchell4829]

Awesome video, made me understand I'm a dark winter. I remember first getting into color theories and being confused why I was a winter because I had warm olive skin, but my hair and eyes are "black" so I'm cooler because of it. Wasn't the biggest fan of all the dark winter colors and I definitely need to combine, and therefore create contrast, with the darker and lighter colors in the palette to look better, and I tweak them to be just a bit warmer, because I feel like it looks better, too dark combined with too cool seems to over power me. Your videos have really been educational and eye-opening. Thank you!

[@cloudyfordays852]

You could also be a dark autumn going off of your description. Dark hair and eyes don't necessarily make you a winter. It's having neutral to cool-toned skin with higher clarity (compared to summer) that makes a winter. I'd try out the dark autumn palette and see if that resonates better.

[@ieusrvt4]

Hi as a fellow warm olive myself, I've been stuck between dark winter and dark autumn, but generally understand that softer light colours and muted darker colours work best. How did you figure out that dark winter was the season rather than being in between dark autumn and dark winter?

[@stylerefinement]

I feel very similar to you (dark/soft olive here 🫒) - it ain’t easy for us but I’m glad to hear you’re finding my content helpful ❤️

[@danil.6667]

This is great! It was a bit hard for me to keep track of the technicalities. Would it be possible to do a part two of this with more examples of people who fall into deep vs dark?

[@stylerefinement]

I'll add it to my list ❤

[@danil.6667]

@@stylerefinement Thank you so much!

[@matanglawin03]

Same request 😇

[@blackeneddove]

Hi Jenn! And hello to your pom! 🥰 I always love his little random cameos. 😄 And I always enjoy watching your videos! Hope you have a great weekend! (One of these days I’m going to book a session with you! 😉)

[@stylerefinement]

Thank you ❤️❤️❤️ hope you’re enjoying your weekend as well!! 😆

[@janailic4362]

I love this video! 💛I lean toward deep/dark autumn because of my depth and warmth. Also, I love wearing dark colors, including black and I believe I have high contrast, so it makes me think I could be a deep/dark winter. Now I found out that "deep" and "dark" don't mean the same and it helped me a lot to understand the whole thing! 🤯 Thank you! 🥹

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad the video helped! Deep and Dark are often used interchangeably but some of the more segregated systems seem to differentiate the two :)

[@lightdancervaughn1447]

I always learn so much from your videos. All the different nuances of face shapes and color. Thank you for another great video.

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you liked the video! :D

[@AcademicWitch]

This is a great video and very helpful! I think there could still be potential confusion for the second test you suggested though; if a person is kibbe-typed as a soft gamine (and I think other gamines as well), they look better with contrasting elements. But then that could just automatically place them in a dark season.

[@stylerefinement]

Someone else also mentioned about the connection between color seasons and Kibbe body types, and I think it would really be fascinating to map those connections out! :D

[@japspeedgirl6216]

That’s a very interesting topic! Thanks for that, it was helpful.

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you found the video helpful! ❤

[@alinegutierrez]

I’m somewhere between summer and winter. Summer colors are too light on me, winter colors are too harsh.

[@stylerefinement]

Deep Summer or Soft Winter maybe? :)

[@eliannameyerson5608]

You asked what we would be interested in. I'd be interested in what you think about Tonal Color analysis (looking only on three axes, but not categorizing in exact seasons) vs. Seasonal color analysis.

[@Ladynipchick2]

Jenn, I can't find anything on Google about deep versus dark autumn etc. Can you point me in the right direction? X

[@stylerefinement]

Hi! I've gathered the information from Korean Beauty Personal Association and from other analysts' blogs and channels that have been licensed by the association! If you don't speak Korean you will need to translate the material, but here are some of the resources that I've found to be most helpful: blog.naver.com/kbpcolor m.blog.naver.com/dahyun1119

[@bambirose1111]

This makes so much sense, I was going crazy because I was typed as a deep autumn but so many of those colors never fit me. I’m definitely 100% a dark autumn, and will be going by this now. Too dark, deep and bright colors look absolutely awful on me. But black is fine as long as I balance it out with a lighter color, if that makes sense.

[@evebrown7977]

I used the Korean app you posted which feeds my confirmation bias. 😂 I used a few apps, tho. Most (even with a yellow filter) I test dark winter. However, this one app always puts me into the true winter season. The Korean app has % which is 60% ish in deep winter and 40% into true winter. I might have olive skin, but I certainly fall into neutral/cool. You see a very, very subtle green/grey ish cast when I'm light, but it totally vanishes when I get a deeper brown. Than you see all the reds, no "muddiness", no yellow. It's a journey, and an interesting one, too. Because you've to consider so many things. It's not just the color you wear. The form and the fabric itself also plays a role. 😂 If it wasn't fun for me, it certainly would be an anything and tedious task. 😊

[@no-ll7pi]

Which apps do you use?

[@stylerefinement]

Which app?? I don't think I recommended an app in my content!

[@leli6291]

Btw there is a dutch 78 colour season system. It's similar to the 12 seasons system in the way that it analyzes if you're dark/light, cool/warm and bright/muted. However your type doesn't have to be a combi of all three. So for example you can be a cool, light and muted but you could also be just cool. Or maybe cool and light. I think it alines with your previous videos perfectly where you mentioned that maybe not all traits are that important. So you might want to look in to it. Altough only if you don't mind translating a lot of sources because (almost) all you find regarding this system is in dutch ^^'

[@irma5288]

What's the name?

[@leli6291]

@@irma5288 I'm not sure it has a specific name. But you can find it by searching for the dutch word for colour analysis. I think it's "kleuranalyse".

[@stylerefinement]

So interesting!! 78 seasons is insane! The most I’ve heard of is 68 😆

[@hashtagmate]

I feel like color analysis is looking at it all wrong. I'm not supposed to fit a predetermined palette, the analyst is supposed to to help me figure out my own *personal* palette. Who cares if it's called soft summer or dark winter, just tell me which colors look good on me. Combine palettes for all I care. I don't look good in fuchsia but I *do* look good in navy. Don't try to make me fit into a made up system, for 200-400$ I should expect to get individualized recommendations

[@srizra]

Yes to a misconception video. With more case studies for each season. Jewelry, accessories, clothes, their texture etc

[@laurarl9261]

It's scary that I was thinking about it a couple of hours ago, just thought about it, I didn't talk about it or search anything related 😅 Great that I found it, I love your content by the way 😊

[@stylerefinement]

Haha the algorithm knows too well 😄

[@laurarl9261]

@@stylerefinement the algorithm reads minds now too 😜

[@szfrj]

Yessss in the 12 seasons there is no space for someone who is cool, darker AND muted. ❤❤

[@stylerefinement]

Exactly the point!

[@lemmings6516]

This makes soooo much sense. I am a neutral warm very pale olive skinned person and I am torn between soft autumn or deep autumn or deep winter. My best colours are burnt orange shades and burgundy. I can actually wear black very well but all other colours need to be soft and dark. Greens don’t work in winter, brown and reds and purples and oranges are my jam in winter. Funny thing is though that I can wear purples and Blues better than any warm colour as long as they are mixed in a pattern with black. Still I can’t wear cool colours on their own and in summer I clearly see that I lean quite warm rather than cool. It’s confusing being olive and warm and dark and soft

[@stylerefinement]

100%! Being green ain't easy 💚😝

[@yensid4294]

To me (as a painter) a deep color is the darkest dark that color can be (almost black) I usually think of inky ...and there are plenty of muted dark colors, soft colors aren't automatically light or mid-toned. Same goes with light vs bright, not the same thing altho they can be (Yellow is a good example)

[@groovysecondhalf]

So helpful ~ I just might be a deep summer!

[@Zkbbkzzz]

I slowed down the audio which helped me absorb the content 😊 as I really struggle with identifying chroma and hue IRL. What seems to be obvious to other people is not obvious to me. I still can’t figure out what colors are best for me even though I have surmised I’m cool, soft and deep. I’m full of contradictions such as, light skin but very dark iris, dark ash and gray hair but very light eyelashes, eyebrows and arm hair. I’m almost 60 and I’d really like to finally figure this out.

[@stylerefinement]

I think that if you already know that you are cool/soft/dark that’s a lot, and honestly at this point you probably just need some fine tuning to find your best colours from the narrowed-down palette! 😆❤️

[@pozziellen]

It took a while to accept I was a deep autumn just because I look pretty bad in dark lipsticks. This comparison of clarity between yellow and blue is genius. Now everything makes sense sense.

[@stylerefinement]

Glad you found the video helpful!

[@corinasucre]

Hi Jenn! Love your channel!! I wanted to ask you about the extended color seasons, the one that has 20 and up to 24 seasons. I have done several tests on myself, because I have always been a bit confused about my own features. I have a light brown hair that can be ashy, with natural paler highlights (but I have my hair dyed at this point), green eyes that go from sage green to olive. I seem to be neutral to light and as long as colors are on the very light side, I can wear both cool and warm colors. I have little tolerance to dark or deep colors, although for years I wore darker colors only to not feel great about myself. Even though I am not on the fair skin tone, I may be on the next after that, but with red on it, instead of blue. Some colors like red look much better on me on the cool to neutral spectrum, while grays look alright on warm spectrum (taupe/mushroom) as long as they are light. I have found that some colors look better on the soft side (red orange, up to 30%), and some on the bright side (aqua) Could it be that I need to find information about those 24 seasons? If so, where? Or could it be that I just dont fit in any season🫠? Is thrre some type of bright/neutral/light summer? Thanks a lot!!!

[@stylerefinement]

Hi! It's really difficult to answer just by your description, but I have seen some seasons that include a slightly brighter season for Summer (can't remember what they called the exact season)! I often get a lot of info from Asian sources around these segregated systems but I haven't found good English resources :(

[@miwamiwa6006]

Is that same, chroma and clarity? The clear to the dusty colours. Then we have light clear, light dusty, dark clear, dark dusty.

[@annissagraves3076]

Very helpful!!

[@pajamamama5965]

This is extremely helpful. When I was young I was typed as a summer. The color palette worked perfectly but now in my 40s my hair has darkened to almost black. Also my skin has thinned and the color is more neutral than cool. I have a light skin tone but still look good in more muted softer shades, they just need to be dark. It's been very confusing because I don't look right in the vibrant or icy winter colors either.

[@notaclue822]

Great info Jen. Thank you.

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you liked it ❤

[@TaLuLuDAY]

Not a deep or dark person, but here to watch anyway😂

[@stylerefinement]

Teehee ❤❤❤

[@mariajosemartinez5135]

I struggle with my season. I've been told that I'm a winter, but bright colors are too much for me. I checked summer, but summer is too muted for me. Knowing that Dark Winter is a bit muted I tried this season, and some colors felt great, but some others were too dark. Maybe I'm deep but not dark.

[@Deem57]

Years ago I was computer analyzed in the Colour Alliance system (Beauty for All Seasons) and classified as a Contrasting Cerulian Autumn. It's taken me a long time to understand what that means. The colours in my palette are intense and warm with very little black and no grey-out tones of warm colours. I look best when I wear contrast in my outfits (deep with bright or bright with light). Does that make me a Deep Autumn, according to the 16 (or 20) season systems?

[@stylerefinement]

I think it sounds like neither the Deep or Dark seasons, but closer to the True Autumn!

[@Deem57]

I don't suit the muted mustard, pumpkin orange or muted lime green I see in most Warm Autumn palettes. They make me look pale. @@stylerefinement

[@christineschreiber5073]

where do we find more about that system? Im a dark soft autumn, too.

[@stylerefinement]

Hi! I've gathered the information from Korean Beauty Personal Association and from other analysts' blogs and channels that have been licensed by the association! If you don't speak Korean you will need to translate the material, but here are some of the resources that I've found to be most helpful: blog.naver.com/kbpcolor m.blog.naver.com/dahyun1119

[@miwamiwa6006]

How about cool spring, cool autumn, warm summer, or warm winter colour?

[@roselienchen9886]

That was REALLY REALLY good! I consider my self a soft summer but I need some contrast. I can‘t carry the very deep shades, I can‘t (only) carry the shades in the medium range. I realized I look best when creating soft contrast (to my complexion) with light shades. Not too light. It‘s difficult but rewarding.

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you liked the video!

[@ashleyfoss4718]

If the most important thing is to avoid colors with gray added, would that be a bright season?

[@GulnaraGirl]

Wow, I found your channel few days ago and first time in my life understood the theory! Thank you and where have you been all these years?!!! ❤👏😂

[@stylerefinement]

Hahaha thank you so much! Welcome to the channel ❤❤❤

[@lonesoull]

I have been trying to understand color theory but I just don't understand it, I'm always left more confused than before lol 😅

[@lachesislooms9233]

Finally, I understand!

[@emilyevans6989]

Another great video!

[@stylerefinement]

Thank you - I'm glad you liked it! ❤

[@emilyevans6989]

@@stylerefinement I was SO CONFUSED on many many style elements until I found your channel! THANK YOU!!

[@happycamper91up71]

This video was necessary. Im in between deep and soft autumn but still neutral warm

[@katiarici3622]

I always had a feeling that I’m deep winter but I’ve never actually accepted it because apparently white is a good color for us, but the clarity in white is too much. It gives me some heavy shadows on my face. I cannot wear white. Black is also too harsh, but when I wear a charcoal black with a hint of grey it is just perfect. For a while I thought I was cool summer but those colors are too dull on me, I always feel like they need to be richer more pigmented.

[@01Angie10]

This is sooooo interesting! I’m a light Olive and believe I’m a Deep/Dark Winter in the 12 Seasons but dark lipsticks don’t seem that harmonious on me. Perhaps Deep Winter or maybe even Deep Summer- I need to watch more of your videos and do more research 😁 btw would you mind hearing which lipstick and blush you are wearing here? Thanks!

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you found the video interesting! I'm wearing MAC Sheertone Blush in Blushbaby and NARS Soft Matte Lip Balm in Whip Lash!

[@Zkbbkzzz]

I feel the meaning of deep vs dark in this context could be explored more. I thought I had dark eyes and dark hair however if I were looking in a mirror side by side with a blonde and a brunette I can tell I have deep features but not dark features. I now identify as soft and deep.

[@daniizee]

Very interesting!! Thank you❤❤

[@stylerefinement]

You're very welcome - glad you liked it!

[@vil4038]

I am a light spring leaning soft autumn 🍂

[@zeynepozalp7223]

Dark lipstick example is interesting. I believe the reason why Lily and Angela can pull off darl lipstick is bc they have HIGHER CONTRAST. Not that they're suitable for darker colors. And of course a deep winter has black within its palette while deep autmncan only go as deep as a dark brown. So high contrast beauties will carry the dark lipstick perfectly bc pf the contrast it creates w the color of the teeth, eyes and even skin

[@stylerefinement]

Fair! But I am a good example of a high contrast individual that falls closer to Dark/Soft than Deep, so I think it really depends

[@SuperAwesomeCherry]

I really love your videos. They are so informative and bringing new perspectives in that I would have never considered before. :) However I would really appreciate it if you would calm down with the many sounds effects, I find that they become a bit too distractive 😅

[@stylerefinement]

Thank you for the feedback!

[@tomars312]

Just get a customized color palette and don't think too much about these difficult color differentiations in my opinion :D haha. No seasonal color type system with 26 ore more seasons (372 in Color alliance lately and tonal color analysis) will be personalized enough to get all your best colors for you. But thanks for the video :)

[@stylerefinement]

372 seasons is WILD! haha ❤

[@Zorriel]

I can't believe when younger I believed cool equaled lighter colors... I always thought I was warm because of light colors looking awful on me.

[@hlsco]

I have known for a long time I am a winter, but i have noticed that my lower body seems to need a warmer tone against it such as with under garments, hems, socks and toe nail polish. These are also areas that don't get a lot of sun exposure. Does that perhaps affect the pigment of my skin in those areas?

[@stylerefinement]

Interesting - your season shouldn't vary by different parts of the body or depend on sun exposure in theory, but I too feel more comfortable wearing a wider range of colors when I am tanned!

[@KathBorup]

Thanks Jenn! I got my colours done and I got soft winter. There's almost no info about it online.

[@stylerefinement]

I'm glad you liked the video Kath! :)

[@JC-yc8wg]

The biggest issue I have with color analysis is that all of them make you choose between warm or cool colors. I look my best in colors closest to neutral, nothing very dominantally blue or yellow. In my case I need my colors slightly softer. So, I think I'm a dark Watumm 😅

[@cloche-et-chocolat]

This video is amazing thank you!

[@stylerefinement]

You're so welcome!

[@Daymickey]

There’s a 20 season system that the ladies over at Color Analysis Au use that seems so legit. It differentiates true from cool or warm. I wonder what you think about it Jenn and about their KZbin channel overall

[@stylerefinement]

I don't know this channel but I will check it out! The differentiation between true and warm/cool have always confused me so I'm planning on making a video about it as well :)

[@Daymickey]

@@stylerefinement cool! The channel is “Colour Analysis Studio”, spelled with a U because they’re located in Australia. Everyone who watches agrees they’re the clearest, most reliable analyzers on KZbin.

[@marie.theartist]

How about bright winter? I wear deep colors well and also pastel colors that are cool leaning. And of course my bright, true chromas.

[@Lushbaebie]

I'm actually a deep autumn but i can actually wear dark autumn too..but deep really softens the intensity..deep makes me soft

[@stylerefinement]

Interesting - wouldn't it be the opposite? 😮

[@northstar1318]

The opposite of low chroma is light chroma? For me it is confusing.

[@LauraN13]

I can wear dark eye makeup but not dark lipstick. I am neutral leaning warm and i am either a soft autumn or a deep Autumn.

[@kenzieaubrey7358]

It’s weird because I’m pretty sure I’m a deep autumn but I look really good in blues especially royal blue, but tan colours wash me out.. I tried dying my hair black but it washed me out so I have to be a deep autumn right?

[@stylerefinement]

It's hard to tell just based on your description, but sounds like you need an element of contrast, but not too much... could be DA, or Soft Winter or Deep Summer even!

[@hashtagmate]

Same with soft and mute! Soft is colors mixed with gray AND white, mute is mixed with gray. Soft colors are too light on me. This left me confused for so long until I discovered Korean color analysis.