SUBTLETY ROGUE 7.2.5 PVP GUIDE - WoW Legion 7.2.5

[@DietEwok]

Thanks for all the guides over the years Dalaran!

[@Tr3nix]

Awesome guide. Thanks for doing what you keep doing for the rogue community. Cheers Dal

[@DalaranGaming]

Glad you enjoyed the video! :D

[@ozezelo7638]

wow that came fast, good job dal ^^

[@wolfarius7018]

First person and first guide.. Love you Dal

[@Beltwayful]

Tahnk you soo much for this awesome guide ! Keep up the great work.

[@RoxyHeartsYa]

Ugh! Thank you! I've been so lost since coming back after a couple months and this guide is perfect for the changes. Keep up the good work! ^_^ -Jane

[@xxiioxfenderxoiixx8021]

this was a big help thank you and keep up the good work. 👍

[@kylehartung7492]

Great vid Dal very helpful, I love the new Sub Rogue

[@Feverdream7777]

Thanks for using the mod that shows what spells you pressed. What's it called?

[@R0adkillRacc00n]

trufigcd I think

[@R0adkillRacc00n]

yep. TrufigCD

[@Feverdream7777]

much appreciated

[@christophermclaren8112]

What songs at 6:08 I went through all your links and can't find the song for that tune.

[@BoblieDub]

Geoxor - Your Eyes Enjoy dude ;)

[@chrish7267]

6:16 what causes those 2 extra shadow strikes in that shadow form without actually using your "1"??

[@johnnbread5689]

Thanks for the guide I was pretty confused on how to pvp with sub when the change came out

[@DalaranGaming]

There is room for flexibility in the talents, but I just went with a guide to help as many people get the basics.

[@marcoantoniofitness7114]

Were is your night shadow blade ability?? Do you use it at all?

[@petrovelkin3886]

Thank you so much for this guide ;))0

[@noahemmert8525]

So i know this may sound dumb but i dont understand the basics for subtlety could you make a video about the basics for new players? or can you send me a link of one you already have?

[@wratatatata5499]

what is this addon ur using to show the skill ur using?

[@cortlandstyles-brown600]

I've been experimenting with Gloomblade in BGs and I've actually been having quite a bit of success with it. It's a lot better now that we're spending less time in Shadow Dance (assuming you take Dark Shadow). The extra pressure outside of SD is very handy. Is Master of Subtlety really that much better?

[@DalaranGaming]

Well it adds 10% towards your burst, and you spend a lot of time in Shadow Dance for damage, so yeah it makes sense to go Master of Subtlety. Test it for yourself and decide which is better for you.

[@brianprophett1717]

why would you use both charges of shadow dance so fast.

[@nicolasgranero4278]

what is the name of addon shows the skills you are using ?

[@MMrReal]

Have u got any macro for the rotation?

[@joshuaseely6505]

Are u using shadow dance twice or is it like a passive or something that's making it show up twice on the spell bar add on

[@turbomersiden8964]

Talent gives you 2 charges.

[@noggenfogger1324]

Joshua Seely it seems that its bugged, cuz he only pressed 1 SD and got only 6s of it, but on the TrufiGCD it says he pressed 2 SDs. Maybe its bugged I dunno.

[@Nillowo]

I wonder if these changes will bring sensus back

[@Nillowo]

P.s. I got my ass handed to me on hansols stream the other day when he was climbing in 2's lol. He was playing with a GOOD sub rogue

[@GladdoGeorge]

What stat do I go for while sub rouge

[@MichaelKarup92]

why did it say you used "Shadow Dance" twice in a row?

[@Andrez_salgado90]

So we are getting another 5% nerf to agi pop template . How do you feel about this? I think they are starting to nerf us into the ground alrdy

[@DalaranGaming]

Well...Sub Rogues with a maximum burst build taking targets down to 20% health in the opener isn't fair either...its hard to find a solution. I guess lets be happy its not a 20% agi nerf. We will see if this does much after it happens :D

[@Andrez_salgado90]

Dalaran Gaming but at the same time as a rogue we should be able to stun lock and kill something dk, warrior, DH, melee class can. Shoot in vanilla we used to be able to cold blood ambush and literally 1 shit shit . Idk I was finally having fun in legion. And now I think they are killing it again

[@Andrez_salgado90]

Dalaran Gaming I have been playing rogue since 2004

[@Waynestock70]

hi just new the sub pvp whats stats do i need for pvp thx

[@Nvthis420]

can you put the gear in there please it would help

[@GodBeerus69]

What is the best rogue spec for PvE?

[@Nillowo]

DrBooGohan :D assn

[@killat5469]

thx~

[@nexiasqt4545]

really nice comprehensive guide for new players. though, the discussed things are pretty obvious for those who have some decent experience or just able to use their brains

[@jonathanlewis1163]

"whats up guys, my name's zaruwan"

[@jonathanlewis1163]

wtf was that damage tho, 10 mil crits every 5 seconds now or what?

[@zack4004]

dummy

[@呼吸-e9b]

+Jonathan Lewis yes

[@ShadowfistsPurga]

lvl 80 dummy...

[@user-ft6km8pz8e]

Gloomblade its not viable?

[@DalaranGaming]

Its ok for sustain, but Sub is better when played around Shadow Dance with Evis for burst and Shadowstrikes for better sustain. I'll try it in the future. Its good, but other things are just better.

[@saindst]

Please, never use them low levels dummies again. Reason being, a lot of players can kind of tell what ability was used just through the numbers. Using the low level dummies throws peoples number-ability tracking way off.

[@KyuuStormsoul]

strong sub main need nu guide!

[@plague6174]

Why not soothing darkness? I mean elusiveness is good but typically when you play with a healer by your side, but playing solo or another dps in arenas, i think a 3% heal per second is worth over dmg reduction, since 70% of gameplay as a sub rogue you're in shadow dance/stealth. And Thief's Bargain? Are you fucking serious?

[@WoWOriginal]

Can you do some duels.

[@NerdySparklez]

Finally

[@xoguran1]

I've seen you few months ago and i newly started to alt a sub. Im sad that they took out some mobility and In-Out-Of-Shadows theme... Those were the aspects that made me play sub...

[@nexiasqt4545]

Özgür Rugozark man, less mobility but more DMG. it looks more like wotlk now, where you were able to burst someone down during kidney shot

[@angelopalate8162]

Özgür Rugozark At least people will run from you now.

[@AAKhanivore]

Hardly any examples using DfA.. and when you do.. you dont use shadow dance on your way down before the eviscerate happens. This is really poor advice imho.

[@Xurupita521]

Go Guide , Rogue Assassination

[@ikaruse2481]

How do you recover energy that fast???

[@noggenfogger1324]

ikaruse-01- An artifact trait that makes his auto attacks have a chance to generate 5 energy, then the Vigor talent for +50 energy and +10% energy regen and maybe Master of Shadows talent for +25 energy over 3s when you enter Stealth/Shadow Dance. And he is pulling his energy.

[@austinb7348]

When he did 30 million dps on that target dummy i shat my pants... then i realized it was a low lvl dummy. Lmao my brain doesnt work at this time of morning. I was like, "HOLY SHIT!?!?! O_O" then i was like oh... -_- ..... ;_;

[@MrJamedawg]

love your videos and information bro but honestly.. please.. try to enunciate your words better if possible? Like, watch your video with CC on and see what it sounds like you say sometimes.

[@tomh6671]

As a further warning to everyone looking at this guide: Blizzard are planning a lot of balance tuning over the next 2-3 weeks. *DO NOT* take any numbers represented here as gospel. Some things may or may not be viable in as little as a few days time. love ya', dal keep up the good work.

[@DalaranGaming]

I will make an update if anything big gets nerfed any time soon.

[@praleshlokamp7851]

I just love u

[@scottstanton8160]

i Agree great video i have been watching you for a long time but could you please make a pve video for sub i'm really intrested in pve with it i love using DFA

[@Eroll-dw8ex]

He is a good rogue player, but not sure if he is really experienced enough to make a guide about it :$ I could be wrong though ^^

[@maxamey1010]

i feel you read off of a script, and ignore pausing at the end of the sentences. essentiallyjusttalkinglikethiswithoutapauseandmushingallyourwordstogether.

[@Barrosy]

You sound kinda depressed in this video. Maybe it's just me.

[@R0adkillRacc00n]

secondary

[@xKirlox]

can u activate translation for french peaple please ty very much ! nice video

[@ConfusedCanuck]

I can't understand what you're saying because you're speaking so quickly. Slow down your speech and try to be clearer. ;D

[@noggenfogger1324]

Confused Canuck slow down the video if you are not on mobile lol :D

[@Minimovex]

Don't make a guide at the start of the patch just because of views. 40% in this video is wrong.

[@Eroll-dw8ex]

And how do you know that if at the start of the patch many things are confused as you said ? He can be wrong not you ? =3

[@Minimovex]

Becuase i will trust my Rogue skill and knowledge instead of some rogue on KZbin. Just informing the creator that alot in this video is wrong information about the class is played in 7.2.5.

[@joshuaseely6505]

Minimove how is it wrong?

[@Hugadu]

lol how do you make up those "40%"...tell him whats wrong instead, just calling it out wont help anybody

[@noggenfogger1324]

Minimove you are beyond braindead.

[@azizzs2922]

Thanks buddy. But i think sensus is a better subtelty

[@JleDoBuTblu]

ниче не понял,сделай перевод на русский а)

[@DalaranGaming]

Sam delai perevod na ruski. I ne znau Rusikia versii dla slov "Stun" "Burst" "Shadowstrike"

[@lahiena15]

dude... this guide is so wrong. first of all u wanna run DFA in arenas, and phantom assassin. then you SoD when you builded 5 combo points and entered into Shadow dance, not after Shadow dance... then DFA, shadowstrike x2, artifact, evisc

[@DalaranGaming]

You are missing stuns, which means you are missing out on damage. Do not recommend.

[@lahiena15]

Dalaran Gaming ya i know, i meant when you are bursting thinking you have landed a full kidney on the target.. but then at the end of the video i saw you did what i meant so, no worriees man 👌👌

[@MortisTangit]

Martin Alvarez "u wanna run DFA" yet currently the high rated rogues on ladder are all running mfd, in 2s and 3s. Why's that?

[@lahiena15]

MortisTangit i thought i wrote DFA or mfd. depends on the comp your facing

[@lordedge9068]

Martin Alvarez if he did what you meant delete the comment man, still seems like you are complaining without going into the replies