Summertime Rendering Has Some Issues...

[@Krossxc]

I swear I tried so hard to get this out before episode 9 but I've been having a very busy summer. Anyway, what do you think of my new Snorlax beanbag?

[@Ghost-km5rw]

I just watched your parasyte video and I’m laughing because you had to turn off comments 😂

[@ChodeMaster]

Lol you will never be a woman

[@ceige8]

I understand some ppl dislike these scenes a lot, but honestly there are very little scenes like this in STR. I really don’t see them as fanservice, it’s more like the author features it sometimes as an element of quirkiness/humor during seriousness, and likes to emphasize the femininity a little. But they’re not intended to be anything dirty, and def not shoved in ur face. the first panty shot is actually a foreshadow plot detail that’ll be mentioned later.

[@mysmallnoman]

You're debating with someone who thinks a panty shot ruins a scene

[@ceige8]

@@mysmallnoman hahaha true

[@Krossxc]

if you mean me, I don't think "a panty shot ruins a scene". I think "a misplaced panty shot reduces my enjoyment of a scene" Also, I don't know if I would even consider this person to be "arguing" with me specifically because 1) they clearly didn't even watch/pay attention to the whole video and 2) because they've copied and pasted the same comment to respond to everyone in this comment section who would prefer that the fanservice were not a part of the show.

[@mysmallnoman]

@@Krossxc a misplaced panty shot that only exists for like 3 secs ? One that has plot relevance and is never brought up again

[@n1gtwhisper158]

Random scenes like this are no where near as show ruining as something like say fire force. Not to mention that the fanservice is really good since the art is so good. However the fact that this show is on D+ is mind boggling.

[@verskarton]

Kross: “People who watch Disney + are not used to fan service.” Me: “Laughing in Disney + Star”

[@cordyceps7531]

I was also put off by the fanservice. I like fanservice when it fits the tone of the show like Highschool of the Dead, Highschool DXD, or literally any comedy anime, but it felt so unfitting in a show that takes itself very seriously. The boob faceplant made me roll my eyes, but the panty shot happening no less than 5 minutes later almost made me drop the show by its first episode. Only continued watching cause of the supposed mystery element. I'm glad I didn't drop it cause I love this series now and those moments have thankfully become nonexistent as the show progresses.

[@mayushi7792]

Those were for the plot build up. The first half of your comment makes me really sad :c, where ya mention two trash anime to depict the contrast between those genres fitting for fanservice.

[@kreizix]

Same. The reason I didn’t drop it right then and there because I was bored and ill.

[@ling8956]

Its not unfitting if the intent from an artistic standpoint is to always have a fanservice flash.

[@ling8956]

​@@kreizixThis show is made by Japanese, for Japanese. You can watch Disney films. Everything they do is catered to Western tastes.

[@BratzRockAngels]

@@ling8956 "Artistic standpoint" lol. You're saying that like it's something provoking, it's just the creators objectifying women and young girls through animation.

[@ShizuruRavenRobin026]

Are u alive I miss sing ur videos I didn't see u using Twitter or ig

[@emeraldplayer5635]

Wha happen?

[@iamtwoawesomes]

Anime recommendation for people who were drawn in by formerly disjointed scenes coming together to form a complex whole: Baccano! It probably takes a bit more time to get rolling than Summertime Rendering, but I absolutely loved it.

[@jermm2183]

most likely the fanservice was a type of hook to keep its audience intrigued and some of it had to be kept since it was used at a much more mild extent (I can only remember like one or two shots that werr explicitly made for this but weren't a crazy big deal) though I do agree it is unnecessary for the target audience. I had a couple other problems with the anime here but those aren't really related to fanservice but it was overall a great watch and to anyone reading this would recommend it

[@modvavet]

I am happy to note for anyone who hasn't started this yet that the fanservice doesn't really go on very long. It's really mainly just the first couple episodes. At least, so far as Mio is concerned. It did kind of throw me a little bit, but Jesus, this show just keeps the pressure on and I just finished episode 19 and I'm really sad that we're getting close to the end. Also, really sad that it still technically stuck in Disney jail because very few people are even talking about it.

[@SeiyaTempest]

This is peak Twitter reviewing right here.

[@hokieham]

Hahahaha. So true.

[@ling8956]

This is why Japanese should continue making anime and games for their culture.

[@ling8956]

As long as Japanese companies do not change videogames and anime to cater to Western tastes.

[@ling8956]

​@@hokiehamJapanese dont tell Americans how to make their games or cartoons. So why would Americans try to force their Twitter ethics and morals on anime?

[@hokieham]

@@ling8956 they shouldn’t…..but they try. Like the maker of this video.

[@zemox2534]

If the fanservice is the only problem you have with thus anime you are not going to like 90% of all anime in the future.

[@Krossxc]

A lot of people have the impression that it's fanservice which I don't like. That isn't the case. I think that STR would be better without it because it creates what I see as a conflict of appeals in this particular show, as I explained in the video. I love fanservice when it's put in a show that it feels appropriate for. Kill la Kill, Interspecies Reviewers, FLCL, Space Dandy and Gunbuster are all exelent examples. Shows like those either make a thematic point with their fanservice or just include enough fanservice that it feels like a central part of the appeal of the show. STR does not make any interesting points with its fanservice and it shows up little enough as to feel tacked on and not part of the appeal of the show while also showing up enough that I can't ignore it or recommend the show to people who haven't been desensitized to fanservice in anime like I have.

[@RaNgErs_Rep]

@@Krossxc the first epsidoe has the most fan service and I belive its acaully to advert expectations yes there's some fan service later but this anime has some of the tamest fan service

[@priyanshagnihotri4648]

its a turn off when the anime you are looking for is supposed to give you thrill and suspense...tell me how many fanservice u can find in death note ...aot...now you will say ''you cant compare them to this'' alr lets take rezero for example it do many things which makes it really better than str....first the characters especially the mc...str's mc in the very first scne starts narrating a story about the dead friend he had and it is revealed in later eps that he loved her and had regret of not making her curry ....but mf didnt even shed a single fakin tear from the beginning of the episode throughout the funeral...but suddenly in later episodes he becomes such an emotional general mc he starts crying for everything.....there is no doubt str suffered from character inconsistency .....here in rezero subaru does everything according to what they have set up about him in the first few mins of the episode

[@priyanshagnihotri4648]

@@RaNgErs_Rep yeah tbh i like to think the maker or the author wanted us to diverge us from what we were expecting and whoever watches the first ep to the end gets a reward for what he was waiting for ...sudden twist

[@zv3t4lk9s7]

I used to argue this as well but then I started watching non ecchi anime and you wouldn't believe how uncommon fan service is in those! also ridiculous how you managed to boil down this critique to a degree where it seems to be only complaining about fan service. whole new sentence moment

[@Michael-rw1cq]

Happy Holidays 🎉 .

[@Rohin98]

U just spit out ... The way I feel when I started watching anime back in Dragonball period.. damn these fanservice are so Cringe and Silly!

[@bingo784]

The Escape Room setup is kind of asking for trouble. What if somebody runs into a wild animal or eats a poisonous berry/mushroom? What if they get dehydrated or trip, fall and twist their ankle?

[@Krossxc]

I mean, contingencies are probably accounted for in the sign up process. Idk, I trust that SCRAM knows what their doing. I might be wrong tho

[@LucasS541]

omg i was so worried u would shit on the show, i'm glad u enjoyed it! (THE INFORMATION AT THE END IS TOO INSANE JESUS)

[@Krossxc]

Ikr. I do escape rooms occasionally and when I read the island thing, I wanted to be a part of it so badly. I want to be stranded on an island and explore those goddamn fortresses and solve a mystery about how to escape. That's the dream

[@MansMan42069]

This anime is worth finishing.

[@jeaaanyeet1752]

I agree so heartily with this video, as someone who despises fanservice and is extremely annoyed that she won't be able to watch this very good show with her parents. But honestly PLEASE make that Sonny boy analysis video because I desperately wanted to like it, I could tell it was thematically rich - but it bored me out of existence and I didn't really understand the things it was trying to say.

[@Krossxc]

I did actually make a video about Sonny Boy when only 2 episodes were out because I realized how good it was and saw it flying under everyone's radars: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYjFmZeZfN1rgqc But there's obviously sooo much more that could be said about Sonny Boy so I just might follow up on it. Honestly, right now, I'm not sure I could put to words everything that's so great about it. I'm thinking about making just a series of short videos that each talk about one specific moment or idea in the show, that way the project would be more manageable. I really do think the show deserves a massive analytical breakdown although I haven't seen pretty much any of the videos by other KZbinrs that have been made about it, I feel like I kinda shouldn't. Like, I want to be the one to wrestle out everything I have to say about the show and how I want to say it. I have a couple other video ideas I've currently got my sights on but I highly suspect my time discussing Sonny Boy is not over

[@ceige8]

I honestly wouldn’t call the very few scenes in STR as fanservice… It’s more like quirky humor during seriousness. unless you must label every little femininity scene as dirty minded fanservice

[@logical_chaos]

@@ceige8 my guy, constantly getting close ups of a girl's panties or breasts is fanservice, jokingly or not. It's kind of trashy tbh. I do love the show/manga otherwise.

[@jeaaanyeet1752]

@@ceige8 I actually did reply to an MAL thread during which I explained that I do think the fanservice is fairly mild for a horror anime, but I still prefer my entertainment without boobs and panty shots, period. For example, I don't care how many people tell me Dress up darling is a masterpiece, I'm never going to watch something that actually has a moderate to large amount of fanservice. The people who agree with me are usually pretty quiet in anime communities but we still exist in a sizeable number.

[@mysmallnoman]

Why are you watching a show like STR with your parents 🤡🤡🤡

[@presa.]

the only thing i dislike about the anime is that it always leaves the viewer on a cliffhanger, having them to wait for another episode, which is bad, you don't have to spam cliffhanger endings like its a fucking hadouken

[@adamabdad9677]

When is it coming oh Disney plus?

[@lfr8666]

I think the violence is what made me question Disney's interest in the story, but yeah, the fanservice is also very off-brand for them. I think you're right that they just weren't paying attention to what they were acquiring. Not to say I dislike STR. It's a really compelling story, that a lot of its fanservice moments distract from. I think Explanation Point broke down fanservice/nudity in anime in a very useful way, contrasting Made in Abyss with EroManga Sensei. Riko walking around topless with Reg while he tries not to get flustered shows how she doesn't see Reg as a person while he definitely feels person-like attraction to Riko. The camera focusing on a young girl's ass while she's practicing lines in front of a mirror, alone, indicates that the omniscient narrator is going on a watchlist one day. You can tell a story with fanservice if you use it right, often with a character's point of view, and not taking away their agency. Likewise, while Mio has a crush on Shinpei, he seems to think of her as a little sister, so any of her fanservice shots where she's not trying to impress Shinpei is just to titillate the audience (and whether this works probably correlates with whether they like Suguha's arc in SAO). Ushio's fanservice bothers me less, I think because it's less jarring to the story. She was in her swimsuit when she died/was copied, so that's what her Shadow wears, and for the most part I think the camera frames her normally, which helps. Her losing the suit when she thinks about it seems to be setting up one of her abilities (though, yeah, it could have just changed her surface to other clothes or an amorphous shadow blob, rather than nude). I hope the fanservice doesn't get weirder, but we're only 8/9 eps deep in a 20+ episode story. We'll see.

[@Krossxc]

I haven't seen that Explanation Point vid. I'll have to check it out. I generally don't really care how fanservice is presented in a show so long as I feel like it's contributing to the goals of the show. Made in Abyss is definitely a great example of how nudity and sexual content can do a narrative service to a show. For instance, I love that they didn't shy away from adapting the way the town punishes kids for disobeying, which is to string them up naked. It's details like that that make the setting of MIB feel so... I don't know, real I guess. I just love that the show isn't afraid to show the viewer all the bizarre and disturbing details of the world, because it's a bizarre and disturbing place, and that's what I love about it. On the flip side, I think it's perfectly fine for a show to have fanservice just for the sake of itself even if it doesn't come from the perspective of a character/does take away a character's agency. It would probably have to be a show that wasn't really going for dramatic steaks or a traditionally compelling character arcs, but I don't know. I think there's a place for trashy fanservice shows like Keijo. They aren't enjoyable in the same way as STR which is why I don't like the fanservice here. It's just a question of "is this fanservice contributing or detracting from the appeal of this show" and since every show has a different appeal, I wouldn't say there's any type of fanservice that is just outright bad. That's just me tho

[@ceige8]

I understand some ppl dislike these scenes a lot, but honestly there are very little scenes like this in STR. I really don’t see them as fanservice, it’s more like the author features it sometimes as an element of quirkiness/humor during seriousness, and likes to emphasize the femininity a little. But they’re not intended to be anything dirty, and def not shoved in ur face. the first panty shot is actually a foreshadow plot detail that’ll be mentioned later.

[@mr.courtesy5690]

@@ceige8 For instance, I like shows like Konosuba, MM!, and Kill La Kill. All of these shows include fanservice, but in each case, how they use it is to serve the larger narrative.

[@ceige8]

@@mr.courtesy5690 that’s cool! I understand some ppl just don’t like how STR suddenly randomly show some skin and exaggerated femininity. personally I don’t feel like they’re that many or distracting to the main story and atmosphere. But everyone’s different

[@soinmypants]

@@Krossxc I'm not a fan off fanservice, and I c ompletely forgot about it in Made in Abyss--which shows how little it upset me. I think nudity itself isn't necessary fan service, but the way in which it's framed.

[@cretixgamer4648]

Maybe I’m biased cos I didn’t watch the whole video and I’m a fan but I feel like this was a poor analysis , I couldn’t even watch the rest of this after you spoke about emotions that r clearly there to express trauma

[@spacejokcy2285]

Anyone know when this will be in the U.S?

[@thequickslayer]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about what should have been or what could've been different. I just watched the show today, and I did not stop for a second because I was so hooked on it, and I did not mind the fan-service moments. Sure, they Weren't strictly necessary, Doesn't mean that the writer/creator has to absolutely make sure to not have the.

[@mjae08]

Fan service scenes of STR are not severe or it is bearable compared to other anime, and the author actually put those scenes in the plot or in short, they actually make sense in the future or next scenes, I know that they should use other scenarios aside from those scenes, but just like I said, it's actually much better compared to other anime that just throws fan service scenes randomly, out of nowhere and out of place, additionaly as the story goes on, the fan service scenes decreases or there's nothing at all, which I felt like the author only did that, especially in the early stage of the series to attract people, because in reality we know that some people still into those kind of stuff, or some people actually just watch the show just because of those scenes (not sure but that's how I felt), nevertheless I actually like your analysis.

[@norwa3518]

I can agree that it is not as severe as other anime, but its always out of place. One moment we're chilling, the next its a funny joke or a panty shot. This is a problem that exists in all manga adaptations, not just STR, because their tone changes panel to panel. However, that doesn't excuse the fact that it hurts this series as a whole.

[@ling8956]

​@@norwa3518No

[@DrawinskyMoon]

From a disturbing premise, how would any of you guys rate this compared to an anime such as Made in Abyss or berserk? Is it even the same narrative?

[@Krossxc]

It's not the same narrative as either of those show at all imo. I'd were talking about just the premise, I'd say MIA has a way less disturbing premise but it goes to a lot more disturbing places with it. Berserk is way more disturbing across the board.

[@BlackTearDrop]

People in the comments really be dying on the hill of fanservice wow. 😂 Weebs man.

[@mysmallnoman]

Imagine using weeb as an insult in 2023

[@seasnek7024]

Interesting I see comments saying there's 9 episodes but I've seen 10, so how long is it till more episodes get released?

[@emporer6065]

there is already 17 episodes out.

[@seasnek7024]

@@emporer6065 not on D+ when I open it

[@emporer6065]

@@seasnek7024 I don’t know about D+ but 9anime has 17 episodes already out.

[@HoD999x]

i can't really like this series. almost every single episode, "the rules" change pretty much without reason. the stakes change, the style turns from mystery to horror to action to people with superpowers to just confusing and nothing fits together at the end

[@barbarahopper8635]

how do I watch it

[@mysmallnoman]

Eh you sound like a Twitter mob complaining about fanservice that doesn't even exist THAT much and you use that as an actual flaw where it's literally not Also no, the reason why people like Spy x family has nothing to do with it not having fanservice, tons of shows for example Mushoku tensei, no game no life, monogatari, and Gintama have TONS of fanservice and are extremely popular, spy x family is popular because it's good, same with STR, and like no one REALLY dislikes it because " muh fanservice " and if anything most people who talk about it lewd the Characters and don't care Also using mal reviews as an argument............................. There's also the fact that you said " i don't have issue with fanservice when it's done right, i like interspecies reviewers, completely ignoring the fact that it's an ecchi/he*tai anime ?? That's like watching a p*rn video and saying : " man, the sex scenes in this video are actually useful to the plot "

[@atharvakarawade9054]

lmao im glad you called that out, he seems like your average mal reviewer who would bring down the score of an otherwise good anime just cuz of fan service

[@DinoDom11]

No hate or anything cause i know this is just your opinion but it was actully their for the story to take place but i think this anime is just as good as it is everything fits right where it needs to be fr the story to take its right place sure they didnt need to show some scenes but it was just their for fun! (In my opinion at least)

[@mgminthantaung1363]

This anime feel amazing of happy ending. I love enjoy to watch all anime. Goodbye summer time render. I'll miss you all. ❤

[@TheShadowivan]

Sorry, but i don't agree. I feel the author put fanservice in the beggining for two reasons: 1. To misdirect people about how dark the plot would get. You read the first chapter and you see the instances of fanservices and you get the impression is going to be a light story. 2. Again, to add levity to the plot. You can say that fanservice does not add levity, but it's common in a lot Japanese media to use fanservice to add it. You can discuss if that practice works or not, but that's another story. I think the manga has a lot of problems, expecially at the end when it fucking turns into a shonen battle final arc, but i never saw the fan service as inappropriate, as it was never done during an inappropriate time, mostly using for creating levity and misdirecting. Unless you consider fan service inappropriate period.

[@saurabhshivamverma4192]

I completed this anime in Disney it's really great and worth watching anime 😊

[@redkarnationaprettymuchany1325]

Gugguk?? Didn’t you mean, Gigguk?

[@Krossxc]

oh yeah. typo. my b

[@akio7994]

Compared to the manga the anime is pretty tame

[@nia_luvv]

*Off topic* It's funny, because I was searching for Killer x Cross (aka Kross) and I've found you.

[@zedcastillo5758]

the fan service in all anime is to serve the Japanese Viewers! if other non Japanese find it inappropriately well that's their problem because it's a trope in Japan Simple as that people

[@17jacoyne]

Well L to the content creators that all I need to say XP

[@kreizix]

Doesn’t change the fact that it’s problematic.

[@Remisaku]

​@@kreizix than don't watch it

[@kreizix]

@@Remisaku Actually, I’m not even gonna begin to argue with someone with such handle and grammar.

[@ling8956]

​@@kreizixJust avoid Japanese media all together. These shows are clearly not made for you. Or your culture.

[@jessicanewton8051]

wait there's anime on Disney+????

[@Krossxc]

apparently

[@aspen3737]

Wow and they host a arg? That’s… something.

[@papaphoenix7533]

man people are being really defensive in comments, lmao. I really liked the anime but people need to stop being so defensive when the fan service serves no purpose

[@JuiceboxTheShuckle]

Since halfway or something of episode 1 this series has given me "Kono Yo no Hate de Koi wo Utau Shoujo YU-NO" vibes. And I still hope it doesn't end up doing the same, cause that ruined Yuno for me. But Summer Time Render has consistantly made me feel the same as Yuno did, so I'm afraid it'll be dissapointing. I just hope I'm wrong.

[@stratosm3154]

Have you kept up?

[@JuiceboxTheShuckle]

@@stratosm3154 I'm waiting for twelve. It's better than Yuno so far, at least i don't feel the same about STR like before

[@stratosm3154]

@@JuiceboxTheShuckle That's good cause it's a really good anime and episode 12 is amazing

[@JuiceboxTheShuckle]

@@stratosm3154 yeah, it was. We're just halfway though, is gonna have 25 episodes. Hope it gets even better

[@JuiceboxTheShuckle]

@@stratosm3154 loved the new opening and ending. Also, is it just me or the animation is even better?

[@Vampirekingmoon]

Please see LOVE STAG

[@Theonewhoseeksknowledge]

Im not gonna lie after rhe panty shot, I didnt feel like watching it after a week or so, it wasnt until I saw so much clamor about it online that I watched it in its entirety. Its not bad, and Im genuinely invested. I just do not like the fan service, especially as obvious as that panty shot.

[@BluFloo]

after reading the manga i dont think theres anything like the panty shot type of fan service thing in the manga. there are times when humanoid characters turn into shadow creatures which is known by now where breasts are shown in a non fanservicy manor. but it seems the anime is censoring it with either "glitch it" or change camera angles

[@StrawberryHill32]

Found this while looking for stuff to share with people to share with people and with the context of the whole series in retrospect, gotta say: you nailed it. The fanservice seems tonally jarring and tacked on, no matter how you feel about that sort of content in general in this show it just doesn't mesh with the other elements and seems more likely to turn off people who don't appreciate its presence than be appreciated by those who find it titillating. It's like if you were watching Twin Peaks but the absurdist humor was replaced with the lowest-grade scenes lifted from American Pie. Even if that's your jam, this stuff just isn't meshing right.

[@priyanshagnihotri4648]

W take cross dw

[@emporer6065]

making a video because there is like 3 scenes with "fan service" is kinda weird. The panty shot makes sense and its really the only way to identify her because he needs to know when she was copied and that was the only piece of clothing that was different. the other two scenes are so small and not even fan service.

[@norwa3518]

Watch the video. They didnt just talk about the fanservice.

[@altzerz]

At the start all you do is complain it’s not even bad directing you should’ve just drop the series if you don’t like it instead you set through and watched The show has no issues you just don’t know how to enjoy something

[@malogor2127]

The show definitely doesn't need the fanservice just as it doesn't need half the comedy scenes because they barely serve any real purpose but them being in the show isn't really a big problem or anything. People that actually hate that stuff feel way too strongly about a non issue. All the dudes in the show could look like models and walk around without a shirt throughout the whole show and it would literally change nothing about my enjoyment of the show.

[@Krossxc]

The fanservice in this show certainly doesn't bother me. I only felt like talking about it because I know that it does bother some people and I feel like the show would have been more successful if it removed the fanservice from the adaptation. Bit yeah, it really isn't a big deal. It's just a cartoon.

[@justincholos.balisang6884]

This is what happens when a person reacts on something before consuming it completely. I mean, it's 1st impressions but it also shows how someone can be subjected into subversion so easily because of narrow thinking and over-reacting.

[@femmenrouge1]

🧢

[@elcidgaming]

Look,,I appreciate the fanservice here. its a way to break the dark nature of the show ALSO! did you notice that no one in this show has nipples? So it doesn't really matter does it

[@sweetamishbutter7]

Fan service is part of life man. Game of Thrones had some completely unnecessary sex scenes but I liked them because sex is a part of life. It makes it feel more real to me that these people fuck because that's a part of life. I like Summer Time Rendering a lot even with its flaws because there isn't enough interesting mystical thriller anime out there. Last one I liked this much was Erased. Good video though I just think that fan service is kinda a non-topic. Anyone turned off of a good show because they saw some panties doesn't deserve a good show. I'd be interested in a further review of STR from you.

[@jq5176]

it's so terrible that like. poor editing decisions over what i assume was the one shot that got the manga off the ground had so much legroom! like i don't think anything in the show after the first couple of episodes is quite as jarring as those first two moments, besides the juvenile jokes that seem to be intentionally undercut by the framing (at which point one asks why theyre still even there). and worse its not like its a statement on shinpei's character-he's not someone who intentionally leers at women, and in fact he's pretty repressed about his sexuality-so its not even character developing

[@lstsoul4376]

What?

[@mr.courtesy5690]

Thank you for saying this. I genuinely think that a lot of the people who are producing anime or writing manga don't understand how the fan service they use is jarring. It pulls me out of the narrative because it usually doesn't match the theme of the story. Unrelated fanservice and SA rip me out of a story like having a car accident on a Sunday drive.

[@ceige8]

I understand some ppl dislike these scenes a lot, but honestly there are very little scenes like this in the show. I really don’t see them as fanservice, it’s more like the author features it sometimes as an element of quirkiness/humor and emphasizes the femininity a little. But they’re not intended to be anything dirty, and def not shoved in ur face. the first panty shot is actually a foreshadow plot detail that’ll be mentioned later.

[@mr.courtesy5690]

@@ceige8 As for emphasizing femininity, wouldn't it be more impactful to ensure that each character has more agency in how they use their femininity? In addition, the main character is male who does not ask the question of how sexuality informs his worldview, so the point of the show is not attached to the concepts of sex or gender.

[@ceige8]

@@mr.courtesy5690 what do you mean by characters using more of their femininity? Like showing alittle nudity on screen should have a meaningful purpose? I see it simply as featuring and appreciating women’s beauty. it’s like in movies, female spies or superheroes would look sexy and show some skin or chest. It’s an aesthetics choice, it’s another element to entertain. Not to look down or sexualize the character or story.

[@mr.courtesy5690]

@@ceige8 Femininity can be shown in other ways than sexy girls being sexy. Think about other aspects of womanhood that go beyond that. Are you sexually attracted to every female you interact with? If not, what are the things that make them women? If it's only the way they look or the parts they have that makes them feminine, then perhaps it might be time to get to know them a little better.

[@mr.courtesy5690]

@@ceige8 sometimes a story doesn't need sexy stuff to be interesting. What are some other anime you like? I can try and pull examples from those.

[@eitherveil1759]

for me the only bad thing is that shinpei is kinda dumb, but the manga it's a 9 for me easily

[@sephonium]

He is much smarter than most of the time travel mc’s tho. I don’t get the dumb trait

[@eitherveil1759]

@@sephonium shinpei realizes shadows can take people appearence, then he proceeds to ask everyone if they have seen a copy of themselves

[@sephonium]

@@eitherveil1759 he knows Mia is legit, cuz he already saw her shadow, at the time he didn’t know this had such scale so asking sou wasn’t really a problem if he can restart anytime

[@jupiter3809]

I first wrote off str from the first minute of watching it lol I'm over the hypersexualization of women and thought it'd be just an ecchi anime with no real plot, but after reading a little abt the actual plot, I gave it another chance and am enjoying it a lot. especially since my favorite trope is timeloops and, imo, they do it perfectly in str. And I'm ngl, the fanservice irritates me so much,I agree with you 100%

[@SeiyaTempest]

The fanservice in STR is very tame though.

[@BabyFed]

“Radical mood shifts” - yea, that’s called bad writing lol and this show is full of it. All of the character’s personalities simply fit what the plot needs them to be during that point in the story

[@yamaxenuz18]

.. "this much fanservice" you serious? They're teenagers with their minds on love, the only reason their love came second to anything is because people were in danger or dying,and even during those critical moments they still end up thinking about their relationships with each other. There's so little scenes like this in the anime; and it's done to show off plot points. Ushio losing her swimsuit? Was showing that she only had the swimsuit in her shadow storage and basically when she felt it was out of place it disappeared, it showcases a mechanic; And it seems that people are just ignoring the fact that Shinpei literally tried to use every single identifying feature of hizuru when trying to figure out her identity and he had to RESORT to mentioning her breasts because that was the identifying trait the people in the town had for her. Even when Mio flew over the edge with her panties being displayed; it isn't a typical ecchi scene where you'd have a big zoom in moment and trying to show off the curves of the character, it's instead just a matter of fact thing that happens, he doesn't even comment on it at the time and just pushes that thought to the side until it becomes a relative plot thread; and seeing as she's wearing a uniform where she would have been wearing that same thing everyday,the only change that would've happened to said uniform could've been her socks or her underwear; Which, believe it or not as an adolescent male, Shinpei is more likely to remember the latter. Feels like a weird thing to be hung up on, let alone that one guy calling someone having a nightmare and lunging forward into another as "Sexual harassment".

[@t.h.136]

as someone who has finished the entire manga, just want to calm the malding views on the fanservice a bit, the show itself is way more ambitious than that, just to clarify, I'm definitely not here to propose to normalize fanservice in anime, but letting this hindrances you from seeing this masterpiece and what really will exhilarate later would be the biggest shame ever :) ignore those elements and try to focus a bit more on the plot they will do you guys much easier

[@olpert]

For a while now, I've taken the stance that when a show tells you what it's going to be, listen. So as I saw the very fist scene of Summer Time Rendering involving a tonal whiplash fanservice moment, I just never went back to see more of it. The show told me its priorities, and I listened. I learned this from Bakemonogatari. If the first sequence of your show involves weird panty shots, weird panty shots are going to be an integral part of the experience and for me that means I don't want to watch it. I can absolutely concede that Bakemonogatari had a lot of very well done storytelling and characters, but to me, the fanservice was enough of a disqualifier to just stop watching it. The same goes for Summer Time Rendering. From what I hear and what you say in this video, it seems very intriguing and well done, but I quite simply don't want to suffer through the tonal whiplash of "Look it's boobs" every few minutes to get to that quality show underneath.

[@ceige8]

I understand some ppl dislike these scenes a lot, but honestly there are very little scenes like this in STR. I really don’t see them as fanservice, it’s more like the author features it sometimes as an element of quirkiness/humor during seriousness, and likes to showcase the femininity a little. But they’re not intended to be anything dirty, and def not shoved in ur face. the first panty shot is actually a foreshadow plot detail that’ll be mentioned later.

[@mr.courtesy5690]

@@ceige8 it's not the fact that these scenes are "dirty" that makes them controversial. It's more that they detract from the most important things the story is trying to say.

[@ceige8]

@@mr.courtesy5690 I understand, it can feel distracting and sudden. Like I said I see it as another element of entertainment and aesthetic choice. Especially STR is a mixture of so many elements. Like it’s childhood friendship, love story, bloody violence, horror, mystery, battling scary creatures, time travel etc

[@SeiyaTempest]

@@mr.courtesy5690 It doesn't really unless you focus on them yourself. The few fanservice scenes in STR clearly aren't intended to disrupt the story.

[@stratosm3154]

I don't think you are really making a valid argument but whatever suits you

[@TotemoGaijin]

Oh ffs...

[@Noticed888]

Peak Twitter anime fan argument right here lmao

[@Namiszon]

Cry all you want. The rice bowl panty shot is relevant to the plot. 😄

[@Brekner]

Yeah, I was expecting the show to be mostly about mistrust and paranoia (cause by the clones) and such on a small island, but turned out to be a battle for "who can get the most ridiculously overpowered abilities" first, with our guy being able to see 2 seconds into the future and fight like a DBZ character...that's not to even mention Ushio's clone, that even though was "made" from the island-goddess' eye, somehow ended up even more powerful than her...and the last episode ruins everything and makes it all seem like a dream.

[@handlealluppercase]

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[@user-lh5my4ws8j]

Summertime is all about plot holes and bad writing, not worth discussion.

[@Grudgebearer47]

The fanservice is the least of the shows worries tbh. Hope you enjoy seeing the writer just make up random rules regarding time travel and characters suddenly turn into shonen protagonists with over the top powers.

[@tofu_it981]

The fan service is limited, the series is a masterpiece. This video is a joke

[@Bajan0taku]

Idk about masterpiece…. It’s unique but…. Kinda mid

[@tofu_it981]

@@Bajan0taku mid? Lol

[@Bajan0taku]

@@tofu_it981 yeah totally mid as hell. Tried to do re zero without being re zero… hella interesting sometimes, contrived, messy and overly ambitious. Mid as hell.

[@mathieul4303]

nah

[@17jacoyne]

It really sickens me that everyone here is praising fan service and saying it’s a part of life well I guess cheating stealing and lying are all parts of life too and I perfectly fine if I stole from you guys and fibbed about it XP

[@Tsugandate]

as an asexual entomophobe, I dislike the fanservice almost as much as the closeups of bugs they also do quite often, but the show is very good regardless, so I still like it quite a bit. It's refreshing to have a good anime this season that's not in a overused genre, like isekai and comedy

[@AndrewSnake]

This is on disney plus .... realy This anime out of all there could get, say maybe slices of live that are not much pervet or movies This one is on disney ?

[@undeadkiwibird3752]

Lmao, keep crying about fan service

[@Krossxc]

I'm sobbing. Wheeping even. Emotionally shattered for those inclined.

[@COFFEE_BEAN.08]

I just finished watching ep. 9 and I totaly agree with this..