World Record Progression: Sonic 2

[@nineteen1996]

imagine just sitting in your room and your brother screams "yESS WORLD RECORD!!!!" and you know your brother just beat you

[@aplus1080]

One of them needs to learn how to fight and solve this shit forever.

[@D34671]

@@aplus1080 they need to work together to make sonic go lightspeed

[@nps1024]

Imagine the entire world being so bad you need to compete against your own brother to get any real challenge.

[@eliaschambers8806]

POV: You then beat your brother's world record by 10 minutes with Sonic The Hedgehog 2: Hyper Sonic Mode and your brother used Sonic alone so then your brother has 11 min and 23 sec and you have 1 minute and then you say "lol I beat u by 10 min and 23 sec"

[@ehrenloudermilk1053]

​@@D34671easily the best comment I've read in a while

[@lunapyrope9683]

Stanski: “nobody will ever beat me!” Salt: “Stanski wasn’t just a clown, he was the entire circus.”

[@p0k314COM]

Beat Stansky on that old strat and then we can talk about clowns.

[@DanieIQP]

@@p0k314COM but it isnt "Nobody will ever beat me on this specific strat" its "nobody will beat me", meaning any strat. wanna talk about clowns?

[@nineallday000]

There were a grand total of 0 people playing full level speedruns for like 4 or 5 years back then. The speedrunning community was tiny back then to the point where competition wasn't even a thing on most games. I apologize for not being able to see the future where people make a full time living playing video games on the internet. /stanski

[@nineallday000]

@@DanieIQP It was taken out of context. I meant that no one would beat the run because no one was playing this game and there was no competition, and I was a little disappointed to be honest because I was hoping for competition to push me further. I knew I could do better myself but there was no one back then doing full runs at all, the speedrunning community was tiny, I am pretty sure my runs never got more then a couple hundred downloads back then. -stanski

[@MIchaelArlowe]

nineallday000 Reading the OP I’m inclined to agree. It seemed more of a lament that there wasn’t much motivation to challenge it.

[@PandaXs1]

breaking your brother's record and then having it taken away from you sounds like the epitome of being a sibling lmao

[@ali99_82]

Emulators goes brrrrr

[@PKpaula425]

I find it hilarious that a common theme with Sonic runs, a game with a mascot known for being cocky, is people claiming their times couldn't possibly be bested. Edit: Wow! This comment blew up way more than intended these past 2 years. Out the gate I wanna say I love Sonic, his go-getter attitude is a great quality! My wording was a little off there. This also extends to the runners - Having pride in your achievements is awesome, keep being like the blue blur!

[@HolyShinx2137]

It's even funnier that mike89 (the one person that held record for like 2 years and was arrogant about it) got beaten 14 days ago by some not popular persion called Zaxon96

[@pookiepooh]

Sonic was never arrogant.

[@ninonerd3392]

@@HolyShinx2137 it wasn't mike89 who was arrogant

[@HolyShinx2137]

@@ninonerd3392 12:20 , he was arrogant, but to be honest, who wouldn't be after such grind

[@ab14967]

That seems to be a thing for every game that has a large enough speedrun community.

[@j_0anna]

Can we talk about how two brothers competed with each other for the world record? Sibling rivalry much?

[@EdenElectorate]

Not just rivalry. According to some comments they had a bit of hatred due to some "beef".

[@DensetsuHadouken]

They also competed over the same girlfriend apparently XD

[@staple_gun6367]

If this were the 80s, it'd have been turned into a movie.

[@castonyoung7514]

@@DensetsuHadouken The above comment said that Werster's gf cheated on him with Mike89 and their mother encouraged it. But I have to wonder why any girl wants to date people who spend all of their time playing the same video game.

[@hariodinio]

@@castonyoung7514 cause its sonic 2 baaaabeeeeeeeeeeeey

[@Thesurge747]

Wow. So the Mike89 got the first AND last Sonic 2 WR? That's amazing.

[@GDNachoo]

No idiot

[@JokerScribe]

Nobody really plays the game anymore. So something nobody does is a good and easy world record to go for. The game itself is obsolete.

[@GDNachoo]

If it's so easy then do it fucker

[@syntactyx]

Geometry Nacho you're toxic as hell, Nacho. chill out. but @Walrus Wraith, the Joe Stanski guy set some OG records before Mike89

[@GDNachoo]

Maybe yes but I don't care xd

[@Josh-ux1vy]

*All communities need their scribes and storytellers* I’m no speed runner, just a gaming enthusiast who is grateful to learn these stories and proud to see all the channels you’re inspiring. Keep up the great work!

[@RJA]

3 and a half years later... - 3 people have etched their names in history - the WR is almost a minute faster than mike89 - the first sub 14 run was achieved

[@FlashRayLaser]

And now a 12 has been achieved.

[@lightfeather9953]

​@@FlashRayLaser wow how did this happen? Does the WR have an explanation video?

[@FlashRayLaser]

@@lightfeather9953 Unfortunately not. We'll have to wait on Salt to do an update. He's mentioned he'll remake videos at some point. I'm part of the classic Sonic speedrunning community though. It was mostly done with cleaner movement, better spin dashes, and level wraps that were known for years but considered too hard for a human to pull off, TAS-only stuff. There's almost no room for error anymore, getting closer and closer to like the original Mario.

[@loganmyall660]

​@@lightfeather9953 no, if I had it my way summoning salt would do either a revisit of this or do another sonic game next. iirc it wouldn't be the first revisit he has done of a game from huge time saves

[@krotoxx]

@@FlashRayLaser thats how most of these old games unbeatable records are beaten, people assume things are TAS-only yet after grinding we find out that some people can do the "TAS-only" tricks and at that point its a matter of time

[@Hezkezl]

(For what its worth, the record currently stands at 14:20, by JoeyBaby69. Was set 2 weeks ago!)

[@danielhall6888]

Blaze it

[@McMurchie]

OMG THANKS FOR THAT!

[@jasonh6312]

13:52 now :D

[@FlashRayLaser]

13:35 now. Edit: 13.21 by the same person and he could theoretically get it as low as 12:3x.

[@artsmakesmusic7990]

We need an update

[@dccxy]

Rewatched this today after seeing it years ago. Crazy to think that the record is now at 13m 15s.

[@aaronTGP_3756]

Only a week ago some Russian runner called supernintendofan got a 13:00. Sub-13 is possible.

[@timpz]

God dammit I had almost forgotten about that 16:08 run :(.

[@kyleturner7309]

TimpƵ Sad days my friend. Sad days indeed.

[@undertakr]

fingers slipped.... im sorry man

[@David-io1ld]

oof

[@theamerican7346]

At least you were a good sport about it mane. Many would flip their lids if that happened

[@SpitefulAZ]

F

[@OtpThePerson]

its cool you put in that one run where the dude failed right as he was on pace - in every other video, you only throw in the moments like that where they succeed, so by now the tension of those moments isn't as hard-hitting as the first couple videos i watched. it threw me for a loop!

[@Kerrmunism]

lime The Super Mario 64 WR Progression did this as well, same with SMB 1

[@R0NYFL0NY]

lime and he did it a couple times in mario kart 64

[@dynamite1647]

.lime iil

[@ninjaelectivire1118]

No one else in the comments realizes the importance of this fact: MIKE89 AND WERSTER ARE BROTHERS

[@klobiforpresident2254]

How's that important?

[@markquemj]

lmao

[@bearwaresmm4069]

Klobi for President its pretty neat

[@Nightcaat]

Genetics... 🤔

[@midshipman8654]

Nightcat or you know... because they would be in close contact and could build of of each other experiences.

[@kylestruthers9730]

At 6:26, the hype was building. "Australian Runner.........." Me: "Werster, Werster, Werster" Summoning Salt: "By the name of Mike.." Me: Oh :(

[@metallsnubben]

At least you were around 50% correct. Genetically speaking ;)

[@Ins0mnia]

The fact they are brothers is ridiculous

[@N12015]

12:34 And also Werster. Yeah, both Mike89 and his brother were the best sonic speedruners in that time.

[@VintageTechie]

My boy werster

[@verapamil07]

What is the music starting at 12:33 , I totally forgot , I know it is epic and well known, I totally forgot.

[@TheUKNutter]

verapamil07 That's the original sonic theme

[@verapamil07]

How do you mean, the original Sonic theme sounds different.

[@TheUKNutter]

verapamil07 Sorry I'm stupid. It's the Top Gear theme (and I mean the GAME not the programme)

[@verapamil07]

oh thanks! yes, I knew it was a racing game.

[@oscarfriberg7661]

12:26 "somethingsalt", is that you?

[@Asdayasman]

A gentleman never tells.

[@adityakhanna113]

Same question!

[@iquemedia]

I fucking love this series

[@JarheadHME]

It's so good

[@RichardSage]

Absolutely love it

[@chrislong2256]

Ique he really deserves more subs than he has

[@patrickmattin9609]

All of the original 2d games are great.

[@Lone_Rocket]

Christopher Long He deserves more views than hes getting.

[@tylermcfluffbut9872]

This honestly resonates with me as a Netflix-style documentary series. I'm sure with at the rate this series is growing if you messaged some of the speedrunners featured in a video you could do an interview type segment within the video.

[@kurtkoopa5471]

Personally, it sounds like a really good idea, but that would be a lot of work to manage.

[@MrMarinus18]

I always dislike interviews in documentaries.

[@snickle1980]

@@MrMarinus18 =(

[@toastedt140]

@@snickle1980 A lot of runners have really insufferable voices and personalities. I much prefer Salt's voice and presentation.

[@snickle1980]

Plenty of book reviewers and game reviers have that insufferable "Burger King foot lettuce" voice or a slur... or some impediment...I click off immediately. The one exception being Isaac Arthur.

[@pizzahuuut-by9yk]

Now I see why schools want us to learn how to add decimals

[@lautaro_vidal]

Gabe the Dog 24/7 speedrunning is the future man, and children are the next speedrunners, we gotta teach em the differences between glitches and bugs and to button mash

[@BiscuitAWitch]

Mystic Sylveon, what do you mean?

[@ketrub]

Darth Shredrax adding times in sonic 2 of course

[@pianoman021]

Seriously, would have paid better attention if these were the word problems....

[@BMN_Prime]

Yet decimeters are dead

[@KarmaHauntsYou]

This game was pure *joy* for glitch hunters. I grew up messing with exploits in S&K and Sonic 2. We didn't have internet and I didn't know what speedrunning was. I just wall clipped once and became incredibly intrigued.

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

Have you considered doing a WR progression on some of the pokemon games? It would be a werster documentary.

[@Zultchy]

@3:23 in the audience, 3rd row back. Little grey and white hat? Face is covered, so you only see the hat, but das meeeeeee

[@alexopminiMJ]

cool story bro.

[@Asdayasman]

I did always wonder who the most homosexual person at GDQs was. Now I know.

[@username-ge7xe]

Asdayasman you?

[@biohazard9215]

Yeahhh, we don't care

[@ChubbyTibo]

cute

[@therealthirst8099]

Summoning Salt, I love your vids so much. They are well made and are very insightful.

[@SuperTitank]

39 now, 13 when i played this game on and on and on. My heart fucking MELTS when i hear any music of this game :D

[@rafaelramires5883]

Me too!

[@aplus1080]

Isn't that f'ing insane? It's like a long lost friend or girlfriend. Nostalgia is so f'ing weird.

[@IMN602]

I hear that. Me and my dad played sonic all the time the music takes me back man!!!

[@SXR123_YT]

do the blue blur proud. god knows sega can't do it anymore.

[@bervin3232]

Lol hi Two World’s collide guy

[@hzDelta]

well hopefully this new game is better than forces :/

[@SXR123_YT]

@@bervin3232 wassap boi

[@bervin3232]

@@SXR123_YT nothing really I really liked the animation though. It had a big impact on my taste of sprite animation

[@dnamela2735]

This is one of my favorite franchises, and World Record Progression is an amazing series, that is so incredible, it looks professional. Keep up the good work. It shows.

[@KleinerHermano]

I never imagined I would get so into these videos. Thanks so much for making them! You do a really nice job.

[@ArpeggioPegasus]

This right here is the game of my childhood. You've done a great job at covering all this.

[@MartinOwnsYou]

When rewatching this video, I noticed that there were some videos released that were taken down to this date at 5:35 . I was wondering why that was, but if it was at all possible, I think the whole community would absolutely adore to be able to watch these videos!

[@95TurboSol]

I have so much respect for the type of people that obsess over things this much, they are relentless, this may just be a game but apply that kind of obsession to engineering, or cancer or something and these are the kinds of people that can literally save humanity from horrible problems.

[@rafaelalexie2417]

...too bad they didn't direct this amazing trait into something worthwhile...

[@95TurboSol]

True but maybe they will later on in life, we can hope anyway. I liked the way they figured out that protein folding issue that nobody could figure out for like 30 years, they made a video game out of it as a challenge for anyone to try then teens from 4Chan solved it in like 7 days!! We should do more crowd sourced science.

[@rafaelalexie2417]

I also hope they can really make a change.

[@Innomen]

Except they don't, and that's a real problem.

[@rareosts5752]

+Brandon Sergent Except they do and many are super young still.

[@johnvitale1532]

Now that you've introduced Wester we need a Pokemon episode

[@Andrew-gu8uw]

John Vitale agreed

[@Rockymann27]

No.

[@MatthewBaran]

John Vitale yesss. Werster, the king of speed runs

[@whalesequence]

pretty much was just about to comment that

[@outsideboxer1448]

YES

[@DrSnegg]

wow, Sonic's fast, too. *No, over heeere* I LIKE GENESIS

[@yammie.n]

I was so confused with that ad clip lol, still lovin this after years of bein posted teehee

[@Cerulean3334]

Gonna need a little followup for this one, Mike89's WR has been beaten

[@castonyoung7514]

Seriously?

[@elastronaute1198]

@@castonyoung7514 14:56

[@ajwrestling7855]

By Zaxon96

[@BtBaller1738]

Now it’s a 14:33 by Joeybaby69

[@ProdByClockwerk]

BtBaller1738 nope 14:20 as of last month lol.

[@James-ft4bu]

I'm kind of obsessed with these videos. Great job putting this together.

[@DenDhur]

Summoning Salt, your voice and editing blend perfectly together. These vids are a joy to watch! Thanks for your hard work.

[@pluspiping]

Coming back to this video is still a treat, even if it's 4-1/2 years old. Love when that blue guy goes fast.

[@PixelHead777]

Yo btw I wanna thank you for these videos, I've always had trouble being invested in RTA runs overall, and you being able to condense the most interesting facets of running as a whole has been REALLY enjoyable.

[@TheBestWanderbug]

I love that advertisement “Wow he’s fast” “No over her-“ “I like genesis” ...great friendship right there.

[@ranpo677]

Love these videos. Thanks for creating them! Especially the Sonic 2 video.

[@meatheadmarc1032]

I'm not personally into doing speedruns but for the past 2 weeks i've been binging on your speedrun videos and I've gotta say the way you put these videos together are really compelling and interesting.

[@Leon-xv1nh]

Im going to shout 'the curse is broken!" whenever anything cool happens from now on.

[@GalileoAV]

12:40 using that music from the Topgear game for Super Nintendo was an amazing touch.

[@Changetheling]

Agreed; isn't that one of the most epic and shortest OSTs of all time?

[@ElectroWeb]

My brain just went into nostalgia mode when that music came up

[@Moss_Dude]

After rewatching this I decided to check the current WR for sonic 2 and was pleasantly surprised by a shiny new sub 14 sitting proudly atop the leaderboard.

[@kanegarvey848]

By who?

[@FlashRayLaser]

JoeyBaby69 got a 13:35 just the other day and is still lowering it.

[@UncleRuckus42]

Salt digs so deep to find info about runners time and the origin of glitches, he’s like Nardwaur the interviewer but for speed running

[@notsogreatsword1607]

You are criminally undersubbed. Great content. I really appreciate the focus in each video. Each piece of information carefully parsed out and timed to create a clear narrative. Keep it up!

[@4_Skin_warrior]

Crazy it’s now at just under 13 minutes

[@sapiently1]

Damn, this dude stayed on top since the beginning, for the most part

[@Voltanaut]

>new video >clicks video in one second >likes instantly >watches and loves >searches "[insert this video's game title] speedrun" >watches 10 hours worth of speedruns >lifewellspent.jpeg

[@Iggy30874]

HarryIsTheGamingGeek - Underrated Comment. Subbed!

[@ZeIfore]

*World record holder for Speedrunning watching Speedruns.* Managing that video click in one second must've been hella difficult! And finishing in sub 11 hours? Unbelievable!

[@adararelgnel2695]

Nice meme!!

[@kal6957]

Glad to see your channel has been getting some attention You deserve it :)

[@steventeglman]

Your videos are amazing, my dude! Amazing detail, research, and presentation! Subbed!

[@dunkinnatalie]

I keep watching all of the reruns. You have a special talent. Love your vids!

[@Z10ZeeTen]

Metroid: Zero Mission world record progression next? I'm thinking about getting into speedrunning it and I'd love to get a rundown of the history for inspiration.

[@themariomedic8753]

Z-10 Speedrunning ZM is fun as hell. (I casually Speedrun it from time to time.)

[@travv88]

Yea that is a great game to speedrun. I'm no expert but I've done it many times.

[@themariomedic8753]

trav v Agreed

[@metallsnubben]

Came across this comment a YEAR LATER and I just have to ask: done some runs? :)

[@tomjons3171]

After hearing the Battletoads music in this video. I'm curious as to whether there is an interesting world record progression to that game. I remember it was rated as the most challenging game of the year when it was released. My achievement was to beat it without warps and not dying, but I never timed it. Back in the 90's, I also managed to play 2 players by myself with a controller in each hand up to level 11.

[@AnarchoTak]

impressive! please upload videos playing it like that

[@Handlename735]

Thank you so much for the music list and the great videos. One of the best channels on YT

[@glennander]

love these WR progression videos. Please continue with them

[@A_Spec]

Shout out to my boy Timpz

[@undead890]

I remember playing this game SOOOOO much as a kid. It usually took me around 2 hours to beat it. The fact that people can beat it in 15 minutes is insane to me.

[@FlashRayLaser]

Almost down to 12 now and 11 is known to be theoretically possible with new tricks being found to this day.

[@Lvlaple4Ever]

Wow, didn't know that Werster had a brother that also did speedrunning o.O

[@masterroshi8976]

I am so happy I found your channel I have been binge watching your channel now for the past few days it's absolutely amazing thank you

[@JonJwhittaker]

your videos are fantastic SummoningSalt, well researched and brilliantly put together. Keep it up!

[@ahmadkazan7994]

"Intentionally lose time to gain time" You just sumarized the plot of sonic generations.

[@Alucard666QC]

Oot or MM speedrun progression would be really cool ! Any % or 100% would be sick !

[@Acecard-jl2py]

100% Ocarina of time. That glitches discovered in that game to beat it faster are insane.

[@TheLobotomist-t1]

the music in this game gives me goose bumps every single time. thank you for making such a good video on my childhood favorite game

[@cloudstrife4642]

i really appreciate the hard work you put into your content man, thanks for all your hard work!

[@_skib_]

12:27 is that Summoning Salt in his earlier days?

[@InvestingBookSummaries]

Love internet history, especially topics like speedrunning!

[@wouldbegood]

10:35 "My finger slipped." Story of my life...

[@LeahtheReds]

these are some really cool videos. I found them by your latest one somehow being in my suggesteds (idk how, i haven't ever watched videos like this) but i decided to watch it just for fun. And now I'm going back to watch them all because it's such a fascinating subject that I've never really thought about before. You clearly put a lot of work and research in to these videos and it shows. Please keep doing them!

[@AGore88]

These mini-documentaries on speed runs are so well put together, and the writing so well paced! I absolutely love them!

[@Victor4X]

Mike89's brother, Werster. Oh damn, you're gonna have a hard time Mike

[@zachapo]

Whenever I try to play the original classic games I subconsciously try to drop dash.

[@AnacondaHL]

and now a sub-13 is up lmao what a game

[@theredidiot3]

The production of these videos are so well made the effort and research put in is amazing

[@jaggedj7025]

Love the speed run videos Salt! Wish you'd make more, I've watched and re-watched most of them 3-4 times.

[@HUGEMIKE420]

I'd love to see a banjo speedrun progression

[@mcgreger8091]

Michael Rodriguez Yes do this please it's such a good game to cover

[@shizzle6793]

DUDE YES

[@autobotstarscream765]

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[@RandomOrdinary_Girl_6123]

I love the song choice at 5:32 Anyone who says that their run is unbeatable is a clown

[@littleguystar]

This is very late but... Me: Sees the Speed run getting Emerald Hill in 20 secs Also Me: *I GOT MY 17 SECS AS CAUSAL ON PHONE*

[@so_bendy]

this needs an updated video. it deserves it. sub 14 has been achieved.

[@PunkNDisorderlyGamer]

Just found this channel yesterday and it’s quickly becoming one of my favorites.

[@DesuLuckyStar]

For a more recent game, how about Dark Souls 1? The games has had a nice progression of new trick discoveries and strategies since it's launch.

[@raynmanshorts9275]

"And a lot of speed." Boy, don't I know it. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to prep for my next Sonic 2 speedrun stream. *Crushes up some pills and snorts them*

[@daveconnor6174]

hey summoning - love the series - hope that u can make some money because you're really good at this - i've subscribed to ur patreon and look forward to the next vid :D xo

[@savigy1301]

I like speedrunning but there is a huge gap between watching a game being ran and actually understanding some of it - your videos help a lot in that aspect. Also really enjoy the detail you go into analyzing the progression of the speedrun itself. The music choices are nice as well. Great work and hope to see more content soon

[@lucasarnold6783]

I love your channel dude. Have been binge watching all of the speedrun videos.

[@justinsievers8186]

It would be interesting to have a little more depth on the tricks, and how those progress.

[@enaidiZ]

they're down to 12:5x now

[@joeychinoski2672]

pokemon speedrun progression?

[@Lance.2451]

Joey chinoski basically a werster showcase because he is a god

[@joeychinoski2672]

True

[@Rockymann27]

No.

[@firstlast-wo4kv]

pokemon is a gay RNG game that isn't even popular. FUCK NO

[@gustibiri24]

I want to see it too. I know the community is divided because of RNG but that's precisely why it would make a good video.

[@InvestingBookSummaries]

All these videos are so high quality, I love them all!

[@evenoddprime]

I was loving this video but once you started play “Real Human Being” I was like this video is too good. Solid editing and notes. Thank you.

[@RetroGamePlayers]

Finally Tails was ditched!

[@aplus1080]

Can't help but feel like this is similar to the brothers' rivalry.

[@elastronaute1198]

This run has already been broken, the new record is held by Zaxon96 and is 14:56.

[@williamwaters8248]

Lol, I read the thumbnail as "SONIC 2, the hedgehog".

[@Cygerion]

where's sonic 1 the hedgehog? answer: sonic the hedgehog

[@Ferdation]

Where tf did this come from?? How'd I miss this on my Summoning Salt binges?

[@randomawesomeness6114]

I played these games as a kid I just binged all of ur vids man, well done! You are historian not just a good KZbinr!

[@thewestcoastisback]

Please do an update about eandis run. he got world first 12m59s

[@CallMeScoots]

where did the hl2 vid go, i didnt get to watch it yet

[@dept-7443]

2:17 Blueglass ruins EVERYTHING

[@ChaosBud]

This whole series is very well made. Great work

[@zeLLPlaysGames]

A man watching from 2018,pls do more of these kind of videos! Really entertained!