Super Mario Odyssey - It's No Masterpiece

[@JosephAndersonChannel]

Thanks for watching! I'll be streaming most of today if you want to stop by and ask any questions about the new video. You can find me here: www.twitch.tv/andersonjph This video took forever. Nier Automata was meant to be next but after playing Odyssey I decided I had enough to say about it that I should go for that next. The video was meant to be 45 minutes. You saw how that turned out. I realize parts of this may seem a bit excessive but it was important to prove my points. Most of what has been said about this game so far has had little evidence to support it--on the moon side of things. The movement system has had some good discussions already. Here are some more links. This video will likely get copyright claimed by Nintendo but that's okay. Patreon is doing well enough to support videos like this one now. And check out HeavyEyed's channel if you're looking for some more content. He's under 10k subs while I'm writing this. I hope he gets above that. kzbin.info www.patreon.com/JosephAnderson twitter.com/jph_anderson discord.gg/8gSBsYC

[@MasterRoyalSnow]

Joseph Anderson that 4:45 tho 😏👌🏻

[@Toastrz]

Looking forward to the next Nintendo video where they copyright claim it after you finish writing the first paragraph in your script.

[@TheVeriOra]

Joseph Anderson I saw that YES, you can't deny it

[@intheairex]

Makes video on Odyssey and free DLC is released immediately after... Patience is a virtue

[@MasterRoyalSnow]

My jaw literally dropped when you said Mushrom Kingdom wasn't the 1st world.... you're brilliant dude

[@Shayden52]

I must point out a severe flaw in your critique. 1:41:15 - The Kooper is not throwing hammers but pans.

[@Pumperknuckle]

Kerdon91 absolutely dismantled him. Hats off to you

[@whotoldyouthisurl]

ok, everyone head on back home, this video has lost its point, nothing to see here anymore

[@Good_Praxis]

I have lost all respect for Joseph, I now see him for who he really is.

[@Starzoh]

Kerdon91 You're doing God's work good job

[@reganblasphamous7642]

This deserves a moon

[@vickim1319]

Don't you hate it when youtubers extend their videos by the ten minute mark

[@Zock-]

Ren Hoek it’s a joke silly

[@Wigsinator]

Like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJ24cnxvbZl_Z7c 95% of the point that Joseph makes, in 6:45.

[@Swartgaming]

Yeah, I hate that! They just do it for the money

[@tim3062]

witnessing your profile picture has been the pinnacle of my existence.

[@yellobello1]

how many upvotes did you get LUL

[@arthurperalta4097]

Bringing up Chris Pratt in a Mario video. This man was ahead of his time.

[@MegaZeta]

Not just timing but breadth... I suspect more and more people will begin to question the current publisher-favoring _(not_ developer-favoring) definition of _"Is this single-player game worth full price?"_ as _"How many hours does it take to 'complete' the game in various ways?"_

[@ros9764]

@@MegaZeta What

[@dawoodshah6460]

he's not dead

[@mattdrummond3552]

@@ros9764 his comment actually made perfect sense and was well written

[@ros9764]

@@mattdrummond3552 It did, but what did it have to do with the comment itself? I feel like this should have been its own comment instead of a reply

[@brovideogaming9447]

You were so dead on about the Mushroom Kingdom thing, you almost gaslighted me into thinking it was actually the start, since I have not played Odyssey for years

[@Wario_Guy]

Yeah that kind of sucked… I wish it was harder, and it’s probably the worst “real” kingdom.

[@friendofp.24]

Same here, and goes to show how mediocre this game really is. As someone who is completely unbiased towards Mario, who's literally never completed a Mario game before Odyssey, I can say that there were rare truly enjoyable moments (mostly in the Metro Kingdom) and everything else gave either a lukewarm sense of enjoyment or outright cold.

[@idlegameplayer3756]

i was like "huh i don't remember starting in mushroom kingdom"

[@frozentanukii]

I thought that maybe since I had played the game a while after release, the original version of the game started you in the Mushroom Kingdom and they changed it in later versions for some reason. But nope, it's just nintendo game design

[@shrimpshufflr7745]

@@friendofp.24 loud and WRONG

[@jacoblovegrove4653]

That analogy about Chris Pratt is a bit stranger considering he literally is mario now

[@SadMan-um8yw]

God's Plan

[@michaelsoftbinbows7580]

"It's a me, Mario. That's not the voice, you're gonna have to wait for that."

[@stibba4286]

AHHAHAHAHAHA

[@sergiolucas2781]

He's so cool!

[@Savariable]

As I read this comment I reached that point in the video

[@AudreyGalaxy]

you were so dedicated to the bit about mushroom kingdom that you had me actually questioning if i played the game wrong

[@eligiguere8697]

Same I was so confused like what

[@_eeeee_510]

You talking about it being the first? That had me confused too

[@Phillyboi95]

Me too I was like naww did I miss something lol

[@lyleinnoe2210]

So you cant think for yourself

[@CrazyzzzDudezzz]

@@lyleinnoe2210 that’s not how you use that expression

[@mrs_trains_6213]

"Can I pick the movie tonight?"

[@rufex2001]

Comment of the year!

[@fortnitesexman]

Mr_Trains_62 his witcher review is basically two movies lmao

[@Cyrus_got_verified]

Underrated comment

[@dportillo1]

Unironically i watch these before going to bed or while doing stuff, helped with my english

[@OMORIDAILYNEWS]

"Nope, not after last time."

[@twin_victim]

I remember feeling accomplished after getting every moon in every area before beating the game... and then I stopped playing when I realized that several more would be scattered about in the places I just spent hours inspecting. I didn't feel excitement at that point - just exhaustion. You really put that into words when you said that it feels like no previous exploration goes unpunished. Very well-thought criticisms.

[@Buffalo93]

I suppose it best to speed run to the end and then come back, right?

[@twin_victim]

@@Buffalo93 I suppose. But I really don't find that enjoyable, y'know? I like to take my time exploring and getting familiar with all the ins and outs of each area. It wasn't fun going back through all those areas (that I had just poured hours into) only to find that I now had more thrown onto my plate and must completely re-explore.

[@joelsytairo6338]

That’s 100%ing any game lol. It’s not really ever gonna be fun and exciting like beating the game. Pretty much every mario game the 100% is boring but it is rewarding if you have the time for jf

[@Armo_93]

I actually found it awesome to have more stuff to do after beating the game. You don't have to do it, you can beat the game with 124 moons and stop there but for the completionists and big fans of the game it’s really fun.

[@joelsytairo6338]

@@Armo_93 if you haven’t yet look up the secret Luigi sprites and hunt for those

[@dubiouswatermelon159]

It would have been hilarious if at the end he said "with all of that being said this game is my favorite game of all time" as deadpanned as possible.

[@jon-umber]

That would be such a classic KZbin Video Game Critic Joseph Anderson Joke™ that I'm legitimately shocked he didn't actually do it.

[@dubiouswatermelon159]

@@jon-umber I know, right!

[@suspiciousindividual2174]

“It has a little something for everyone.”

[@Hitherto90]

Joseph knows nothing but deadpan.

[@lordroy88]

That’s such a critic thing to do lol

[@froofris1474]

No game review is complete without mentioning Dark Souls in the first five minutes

[@filurenerik1643]

Yes. Dark souls is an excellent game

[@samgomez9942]

Well to be fair, Dark Souls was a really successful game, and it definitely popularized some things in gaming.

[@AubreyGal]

Dark Souls, such a good game.

[@friedbacon6236]

Ahh yes, Dark Souls, the game.

[@Elvenlijk]

Lol I thought I'd seen everything and then someone calls out Dark Souls in a Mario game review. Wtf?

[@GemSword347]

Filler Moon is my favorite Sailor Moon character

[@hicclesilly]

GemSword347 This comment made me feel better after realizing how stupid my favorite Mario game is, thank you

[@SagesRS]

Sounds like a bad porno

[@runningoncylinders3829]

Sounds like a bad inflation-based flash animation.

[@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH]

I just wanted to come back to this video to state that you successfully turned "It's No Masterpiece" into one of the most overused KZbin video titles in existence. Congratulations on being the first.

[@JosephAndersonChannel]

I'm sorry.

[@icecea]

@@JosephAndersonChannellmao

[@jerryrikki9466]

@@JosephAndersonChannel witcher 3?

[@bimblor7945]

@@jerryrikki9466 bad

[@Tocaric2]

@@jerryrikki9466 read the comment under the Lies of P critique

[@joyit6062]

The part where you said mushroom Kingdom was early was hilarious I was completely fooled into thinking it was early game

[@Gaming_Amateur]

I was literally questioning my memory of the game. Then I realized what he was doing.

[@deonteharris4089]

Joyit I thought the game just got updated because I only played through it once

[@joyit6062]

@@AEC.1 I didn't buy a switch until recently and I didn't know which games to buy with it. Tbh there's not much that I hadn't seen in parts from other stuff and I was interested in someone's opinion that didn't like such a popular game. I admit it was a kinda weird decision tho hah

[@notmyfirst]

@@AEC.1 What is there to be spoiled? Mario games are purely about the gameplay and watching someone critique it won't ruin it

[@somnia3423]

@@joyit6062 damm and now they will release an switch 2.0 with double the battery life, i feel bad for you

[@Kela1031]

I feel like you didn't focus enough on the moons in the game.

[@gibbydoessniffy4463]

Kenny Larsen I agree too I think the moons are pretty fun and extremely creative

[@natecortese1189]

Yeah he only spent an hour and a half talking about them... how dare he

[@MrSerpico145]

Yea, it's not like the game revolved around them or anything.

[@sonicmeerkat]

guys it's sarcasm, that's why the comment has hundreds of likes because it's poking fun at the focus of moons.

[@natecortese1189]

sonic meerkat yeah I realized that I’m just really stupid

[@verybored1261]

Just spent two hours watching a man say Mario in Canadian while talking at length about 800 moons in Mario. And I enjoyed it, too.

[@absoluteraft51]

Here in the uk we crucify those who don’t say it “Canadian”

[@tootz6697]

@@absoluteraft51 Why thats the wrong way to say it😭

[@machinaeZER0]

Definitely the most Maerios I've sat through in my lifetime, haha

[@verybored1261]

@@absoluteraft51 Lmao pin me up on that crucifix

[@pepi7404]

Username checks out

[@shaww8721]

9:00 - Camera / Movement 16:09 - Lack of depth 20:34 - Uninspired exploration / Design 28:03 - Possessions 34:15 - Target audience 37:19 - Mushroom Kingdom 43:42 - Filler moons 1:24:57 - Bosses 1:32:22 - Post-game 1:55:32 - Conclusion 1:57:38 - Outro

[@blaykay-4797]

Wow you actually sat through that? damn son

[@gamermapper]

Wow the moon part really took a long time...

[@ihavetheworldssmallestdick4568]

I see you copied my comment

[@trikuxabi]

@@gamermapper He complained about repetition repeatedly for 40 minutes... I wish it was a joke.

[@bruh9806]

You should make a timestamp that mentions Chris Pratt

[@lospollosh]

You’re just jealous that you never had the world record for Bower’s Big Bean Burrito

[@deadpoolmodelt-8009]

And he did it blindfolded with a USB steering wheel while his brother was playing

[@lukehahn4784]

Deadpool Model T-800 but his controller was lagging

[@unlimited8410]

@Gay Bowser So long

[@GreatJinjonator]

I actually really want to see what dunkey would have to say about Mr. Anderson's review. I always like the dunkviews because they always seem to be free of bias, but dunkey is a HUGE mario fan that praised this game for featuring so much mario nostlgia. Here, however, this mario fan counts it as a negative thing. Just goes to show how two people with similar tastes won't always agree. It also seems like dunkey only considered the main story line of the while Joseph included the loooong post game as part of the entire game.

[@liluwuzivert1124]

Spelling Bowser wrong is the equivalent of spelling a thwomp as a “thomp”

[@elcour]

Normal people: mario Joe, an intellectual: märio

[@Quadraginta1337]

Normal people: Brother. Me, an intellectual: Bröther.

[@fernandoj8479]

@@Quadraginta1337 Lööp

[@Quadraginta1337]

@@fernandoj8479 sööp lööps

[@shimizukebin]

me: マリオ

[@calebbaumtm1915]

Mærio

[@24FramesOfNick]

Okay but super Mario odyssey takes a lot from spongebob squarepants battle for bikini bottom and I stand by that premise

[@chabbab6698]

24 Frames Of Nick the world 🌎 needs you to do a theory about this

[@jaredwillebeek-lemair5298]

Im going back to play that game again thx

[@jag3596]

boii this statement got my support

[@Toastrz]

I stand by Battle for Bikini Bottom being a legitimately solid 3D platformer. Sometimes nostalgia isn't blind after all.

[@briancollins1296]

You speak truer than you know.

[@jacklloyd4376]

is it just me that thinks its fucking hilarious that lady goombas will just fall in love with the first goomba to cross her direct eyesight

[@TranslationHell]

hard proof that mario is a male power fantasy

[@mashedboiledfried]

It's just you. I could go on a 10 hour long video about the societal norms of the Goombas, but I'll save you the time and just tell you straight up that the Goombette (lady Goomba) actually falls in love with the moustachioed Goomba wearing a red cap. That's no ordinary Goomba, that's not like every fish-Goomba in the Goomba-ocean of the Mario Universe. That's the only Goomba in the history of Goombas to rock that style.

[@jumentoqueanima]

​@@mashedboiledfriedYesir.

[@kestanecihasanpubg]

wahmen

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@TranslationHell truuuUUUUUUuuueee

[@fakenamerealchungus9851]

But Joseph You can *be a goombas*

[@yeahmike3847]

Christopher Kanski YOU CAN BE A TREE

[@NotQuiteHere]

You can be a tree.

[@alexdetlas2661]

U CAN BE BOWSER! said enough...

[@squibbdibb]

YOU CAN BE A GOD DAMN CACTUS!

[@ArmoniteQL]

What if he already is?

[@evanpsarakis1757]

As a massive Odyssey fan, I normally laugh at negative Odyssey reviews. But this was really freaking good. While I may disagree with you I respect everything you said. Every point you made makes sense and although I still love the game, my eyes were opened to Odyssey's flaws and I can see why people were disappointed. This was an amazing video, thanks man

[@idontcheckmynotifications]

I just have to come and actually say thank you! Not just leave a like. There are too many Odyssey fans are honestly disgusting about it. Not all, but too many. Look how many people are going "you don't like fun" in these comments. T_T

[@Taziod]

You gotta respect the guy that spends 2h to give a negative review lmfao.

[@grokkel]

@@Taziod imagine being mad at a game reviewer for reviewing games and surprise surprise! not always liking them lmfao

[@Taziod]

@@grokkel I'm not mad I don't even have this game. I just like this guys style

[@grokkel]

@@Taziod FUCK I misinterpreted your comment, I thought you were hating on Joseph lmao I'm so sorry!!!

[@antimatter3084]

The video went over every type of moon but that wasn't good enough, I want a detail analysis of every 880 moon, the location, and how to get the moon.

[@kblade08]

That target audience segment was such an eye opener for me tbh.. I played odyssey and put it down way before I could finish it. It just didn't have the magic for me. My son, however, has beaten this game multiple times and will routinely return to it for another run through. You helped me understand WHY he was so obsessed.

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

It feels like there's an additional, lost demographic, as well. I genuinely don't know how kids that are the age I was when I first started playing Mario games are supposed to be able to play this. Having _options_ for moving around the world, completing challenges, and fighting is one thing, but _having_ to do them (or do them a specific way) for the base game is another. And if a core Mario game can't be a starting place for young kids, where on earth are they supposed to start? Mario doesn't need to be made for very young children, but it should be possible to at least make some decent progress in the game with practice and repetition--they always managed it on the legacy consoles. (I know he was saying that the target demo for this _is_ a new generation of young fans, but I'm talking about a younger age range. I would say that the kids I knew and went to school, soccer, camp, etc., with either had an older sibling with a console and started playing Mario at around age five, or _were_ the older sibling. And in this game, there are certain things, like controlling Jaxi on bridges, that the average five-year-old simply does not have the motor skills execute.)

[@Corrupted]

@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 Eh, when did we start playing SM64? I'd say around 8-11 - I don't think it's designed for under 7 year olds at all

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

@@Corrupted My family definitely had 6 & 7 year olds playing the Christmas it came out. They definitely weren't beating it, but they were successfully playing levels, getting through the 30-Star Door, etc. ETA: Because it was the first 3D game, special movements (like those used in speedrunning) may have existed but weren't necessary for most things in the game, _and_ the game couldn't (and didn't) require a ton of finesse, so even the "slides" had pretty decent margins of error and Mario didn't respond super sensitively to controller inputs. Those are the things that I think of as insurmountable developmental barriers, things they just have to wait out, for most kids: requiring combination moves outside their processing capabilities and critical thinking, or requiring precision in movement that is outside their physical developmental stage.

[@relaxn3918]

@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 the answer is quite simple; The internet. Most kids when they get lost or confused or don't know how to progress look up guides or videos on them. This way they continue. They also slightly adjust to the game more having these secrets here and there over time, allowing them to actually

[@minnow1337]

@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 The VR game gorilla tag has the most complicated movement I’ve ever experienced in a game and lobbies are full of 8 year olds bouncing around better than they can walk

[@mayhoinville9687]

"Also, I'm sorry if that was tedious to go through for anyone who's already played the game already, but I figure if you have, then you're used to tedeum already and shouldn't be bothered by it." The salt is real and I absolutely love it

[@HollowedEyeHounds]

Yet he loves and praises the god awful, tedious, uninspired, and blandly put together chalice dungeons in Bloodborne. Dude should get a clue.

[@francomarrocu7430]

@@HollowedEyeHounds roasted

[@mikado6407]

@@HollowedEyeHounds bloodborne isnt perfect but i like the chalice dungeons Tldr: stfu

[@marnsdnfois7006]

@@HollowedEyeHounds What is: Opinions?

[@lum26akua28]

@@HollowedEyeHounds You're comparing content that is extremely on the side...to the main content of another game. Like, please, if you take a second and think, you'll see why you're wrong.

[@OsscarBones]

I clicked the like button but didnt get a moon, is this a bug?

[@joefish5689]

Yeah you’ll have to make a new account and try again

[@codacious14]

You got a Moon! "Liking the video"

[@mistermassi95]

You have to click it 50 times.

[@magentasound_]

Have you tried turning it off and turning it on again?

[@danstraight9350]

Some like buttons gives moons some just give one more like to the video better check all the like buttons though!

[@magna4227]

This video in a nutshell Merrio: *Breaths* YOU GOT A MOON *Angry Dragon sounds*

[@spade3779]

Mario: *exists YOU GOT A MOON

[@User-1939t9]

better not stop

[@sontho6995]

@ViIvaSunner I 100% Odyssey, and I didn't enjoy it playing as much as previous 3D mario games.

[@coffeebrown9371]

Ok this is a joke but to be honest there’s that many moons that I’m ok with it there’s still plenty where you need to use skill

[@catssucksatsmash8017]

VeesaSugger yea and it’s a great game I just straight up didn’t enjoy as much as games like breath of the wild but i still enjoyed it a lot. Some of the power moons are way too easy to get compared to others which kinda dampers my sense of balance and accomplishments when I get a power moon since a lot are so easy to get, but I really do like it. 8.5/10

[@reev9759]

"Your heart should sink so low that your thong should get heavy." That was the weirdest most out of place thing I've ever heard Joseph Anderson say in a video.

[@natemorin1416]

Wow, typical of a “KZbinr“ to always hit that 2:00:00 mark, smh...

[@ess7573]

ikr

[@Spit823]

And still doesn’t have ads until 1 hour in. What a legend

[@fredrikgranstrom6743]

doing anything to push it beyond that 10 minute line

[@Hitherto90]

Obscene.

[@pileofsand8756]

Only for the views, disgusting /s

[@justvibin1087]

Guys I watched the video *wheres my moon*

[@eliasklein2580]

For the time it took to watch the video you should get more moons (maybe 30)

[@assassincharmander390]

VerboseQuestion 🌙

[@ramenated7244]

Holy shit clicked on this video thinking it was 20 to 30 minutes. I was really fucking wrong

[@axelholm319]

Duh du Du DU, Du DU *DU*

[@pixelsheep8939]

Pfft just clicking on this video would give you a moon

[@butterchicken9912]

I think he didnt like the moons

[@ilexdiapason]

Sebas Rom99 really?

[@wispy9859]

Did he? I mean, he did enter professor mode for 2 hours. HMMMMMM.

[@xDARKSHADEx]

you misspelled blue coins

[@JOVAHK11N]

Yeah, it's like he doesn't like the core of the game, I'm 67 moons to 100%ing the game and there is an execive lot of variety to not get bored collecting moons, he however seems to be angry at the game for giving him something to play. The game is better than Zelda BotW in my opinion, and I honestly would consider myself more of a Zelda fan than a Mario fan. Don't get me wrong, BotW does some stuff in ways than no other gane has done before, but Odyssey is an overall better experience.

[@butterchicken9912]

Jesus Osvaldo Broch well he makes some very good points, in the end you just feel like you enjoy it or not, i didnt play it and i dont know if i would like the game

[@cool_benji]

i saw so many challenge rooms in this video that i missed in my playthrough, even though those are by far the most interesting part of the game for me. which makes me realize a major issue with the game: unless you're a completionist, you're never incentivized to find the good stuff because you can easily get by without.

[@aortaplatinum]

Agreed. I'm in the middle of 100%ing the game and this is my third time having simply finished it. So this time, since I knew about the moon rock Moons and knew I'd be combing every Kingdom in the post-game, I just didn't bother with much extra stuff and just beelined it to Honeylune Ridge with usually the least Moons needed to advance. And yeah, I was shocked how little there was on the main path. Just doing the required "story" Moons and some of the simple extra ones needed to go to the next Kingdom is only going to show you the very basic top layer of the game. It's a far cry from being able to skip a dozen Stars in 64 or even skip one or two full stages if you really hate them. Odyssey's structure and design is the exact opposite of Sunshine- "here's a few required collectibles and then just do whatever I guess"

[@EdmacZ]

Long story short summary of the video. The game’s biggest accomplishment is the control and movement, but the game doesn’t build around that and just tosses you into a playground where you get rewarded for doing the most basic rudimentary stuff. That would be fine, except every reward is the exact same. No matter what the challenge or goal. No unlockables, no extra modes, you just get the thing and move on. There are no lives, and thus no real punishment or danger, resulting in a game that is repetitive and a chore.

[@lukehahn4784]

I don’t really feel that way about this game but I still enjoyed this review even though it was 2 hours long

[@theotherbeatle707]

Except buying hats

[@lukehahn4784]

Martin Henebury Buying hats is the only reason this game isn’t a 0/10 because I can have Mario only in shorts in freezing weather.

[@nimcie8377]

EdmacZ I agree, the movement of that game is what makes up for it.

[@marcelorockman]

Getting lives in videogames lost all meaning since 10 years ago. There is no real punishment in getting a game over, just do it again. Losing coins here on the other side is a good punishment since you need them for hats, suits, collectibles and extra moons.

[@ericrobertbradley6591]

Seeing Peach in a different outfit is one of those rewards that aren't moons

[@stevecosmolove1045]

@Adam Senzai dang I missed that on my first playthrough but tbh I don't think I would have been ready to handle that anyway🥵

[@mariothemii]

@@stevecosmolove1045 Grow some mushrooms man. I believe in you.

[@TopMostFlavor]

This guy gets it

[@ericrobertbradley6591]

@Rob Shabibo WHAT

[@ericrobertbradley6591]

@Rob Shabibo peach had a outfit for each level

[@MayerEO]

Dude... that bait and switch spiel about the Mushroom Kingdom being a beginning level.... friggin blew my mind. I'm one of the 2 people on earth that still haven't played the game yet, so that really took me by surprise!

[@argmax110]

I played the game and I reaaally wanted to correct him in the comments but then he pulled that card and BAM FLABBERGASTED

[@DMBisAwesome]

>I'm one of the 2 people on earth that still haven't played the game yet Um no, the vast majority of us haven't played and don't give a fuck about Nintendo games.

[@Whispernyan]

If you listened to the tone of his voice and the words he was using you could make out how sarcastic he was being with words like "i guess" alot.

[@Whispernyan]

Also Dmbisawesome, i'm pretty sure that makes your the the second person.

[@glungusgongus]

DMBisAwesome Its good tho

[@matthewyacono1969]

Ik this video is really old now but I really appreciate the amount of effort that went into it. Not only the intensive research but also the fact that you somehow made a feature film length video essay so engaging

[@ArchibaldClumpy]

Seriously the time in these videos flies by.

[@toooydoeur]

bro this guy is a clown

[@wind2536]

@@toooydoeur I feel like by analyzing everything he sometimes misses the forest for the trees.

[@cmonkey3698]

Bro he didn't even show all of ruined kingdom, there is a whole sub area with extra platforming puzzles that gets unlocked after you beat the boss that he just acted like doesn't exist.

[@awesomeguy268]

@@cmonkey3698 He probably means on the surface it's small. Personally I wouldn't think sub areas like that one really count towards a kingdom's size, especially a sub area as small as the one in ruined kingdom.

[@nopatiencejoe6376]

I can't understand people in this comment section saying "It's a guy complaining for two hours about a video game, this is just a waste of time". Do these people understand that games take years to develop? And video game design is a broad topic and has the potential to be discussed for hours and hours on end... Specially when you talk about the legacy of 20+ years old franchise like Mario.

[@b.u.r.n9175]

Bro nobody cares about this shit. Videogames are just videogames, you don't need 2 hours to talk about a game, they're just pastimes, YOU are the one who should be enjoying them, not listening to some guy talk for 2 hours about a videogame for kids

[@hubblebublumbubwub5215]

Half the video is just him describing things I've already played while missing the point. KingK got the same opinion across in a third of the time.

[@catalystgreenhorn9184]

@N n You mean Nintendo fanboys. Just like their baby BOTW, don't you dare point out the flaws.

[@pileofsand8756]

@@hubblebublumbubwub5215 What does it matter how long a video critique is? It's not a game who can say the most in the least amount of time. I really appreciate the fact he goes out of his way to do an in depth critique and I am not the only one. I even think the video could have been even longer and I still would have enjoyed it just as much. But I guess you don't have the attention span to appreciate it.

[@hubblebublumbubwub5215]

@Pile of Sand Didn't you have the attention span to read my comment? I don't need to hear a long description of a game I've already played. I guess there's an audience for it but I think he gets too much credit for going "in-depth" when he actually goes in-length. "It's not a game who can say the most in the least amount of time." It kinda is "generally, the fewer the words that fully communicate or evoke the intended ideas and feelings, the more effective the communication" -Mark Twain

[@blarneystone38]

I think the moon vs. korok thing is the crux of the issue here. Korok seeds were kinda dumb and really repetitive, but the entire point of them was that you were never meant to get all of them. Your final reward is for collecting half of the total korok seeds in the game, which makes sense since BOTW has a massive world map and everyone is going to take a different path through it. Moons are designed like korok seeds but given the weight of the stars in the other games, which makes very little sense. In all of the other 3D Mario games, it's not unreasonable to collect every single star to get the full experience, but collecting every moon is just dull and repetitive. I think you can have a good time with Odyssey if you simply collect enough moons to complete the main quest, and maybe enough to reach the 500 moon ending. But there's really no reason to collect all of them, and that's a serious departure from what we've learned in all of the other Mario games to this point.

[@JP-sd7di]

I feel the same way. There are almost as many Power Moons (880, or 999 if you count the ones you can buy) in this game as there are purple coins (1000), which is just ridiculous

[@connorp3764]

You know, I don't think the moons were that bad of a concept. It's like, say, ketchup. Would you eat from the bottle straight? No, I don't think so, I hope not at least. But would you eat ketchup on a burger, or with fries, whatever your preference(don't think into the comparison too hard, it's a condiment widely used in this manner)? Most people would. What I'm saying is the moons needed something to pair with, that aren't as numerous or easy to get. Keep the moons, but add "stars" or whatever, and keep it to around the usual 120, or maybe less. it doesn't even need to be in the base playthrough. Literally just keep it as it is, and when you finish the base playthrough, just add challenge levels and objectives like sunshine and 64 to really challenge the player. The ketchup now has a burger to accompany with it, complementing each other.

[@blarneystone38]

@@connorp3764 I think this is a good idea, and the funny thing is that previous Marios had exactly this, in the form of 1-ups. Many 1-ups are designed the same way as most Odyssey moons - sitting out in the open in slightly hard-to-reach places, or the reward for a simple challenge. These accompanied the more significant rewards, stars/shines. The issue was that 1-ups ceased to be extrinsically rewarding as time went on, because game overs stopped meaning anything in the more modern titles and because the games gave you so many lives that you would never really be in danger of getting a game over anyway. Moons are nice because they do give you an extrinsic reward (one step closer to a new area), but because so many of them were so easy to get it made the more challenging ones less meaningful. I really like the idea proposed in this video (at least I think it was this one, I watched a few) of partial moons - half moons, quarter moons - for the easier challenges. That allows you to make everything rewarding in some way, preserve the importance of the bigger challenges, and it even thematically fits with the idea of moons.

[@woah5333]

Such an easy fix too? The korok seed moons just don't be moons coz they dilutes the moons rewarded from beating challenging levels

[@General12th]

You only need 500 moons to unlock the last bit of content, and there's no counter telling you how many moons you have left after that point. The game is deliberately designed to _not_ convince you to get them all. If you feel like you have to anyway, just because "it's a Mario game", well, that's on you.

[@Vinimous]

"Its Like having Chris Pratt as your online boyfriend" that's *REALLY* specific Joe, you want to talk about something?

[@Schrodinger_]

This video was cathartic in expressing my frustration with the moons. I really enjoyed the Dark Side challenge rooms, and I really want to try the Darker Side. But I'm not collecting the remaining 200 fucking moons I need to do it. After running through 2 worlds already, I'm done with it. The best metaphor I can think of this is if I wanted to go rock climbing, and I wasn't allowed until I spent 3 hours playing hide and go seek with my 6 year old niece.

[@Josieschultz009]

This video summed up as simply as possible Why are two shrines devoted to throwing hammers at cheese

[@chuggaa100]

moon

[@Aleks-hp8pr]

Hammer Bros are lactose intolerant maybe?

[@huefelix556]

C H E E S E

[@Gehab]

Absolutely amazing video. I don't agree with 90% of what you said, but it's very interesting to see your point of view in such a well written manner.

[@hej2k3]

Who, or better yet, WHAT are you? I am hesitant to believe that a human being in 2018 would meet an opposing online argument with such a mild temper and open-mindedness. Take a hike robutt.

[@KimiJimiJames]

My thoughts exactly. I disagree with most of the video but I learned and became able to contextualize so much more about Mario games and how they compare.

[@Fispell]

You're an inspiration to humanity everywhere

[@spirit_504]

what is this creature, being nice?! nAnI???!!

[@Tubular_dude_20y_ago]

I agree he was pretty harsh on odyssey but it was a good video

[@imjustsomebunny]

Introducing a new Joseph Anderson-brand cereal: Mary-O's

[@gsofficial]

The juxtaposition of such a bright, colorful, happy game with his unbridled rage make this video entertaining from start to finish.

[@LiamPorterFilms]

Yeah, first it’s kinda obnoxious but it gets funnier the longer you watch.

[@DanielSantosAnalysis]

Just finished the video, it was worth a moon.

[@ClassicKrusty]

Shintai Just one? U can trip over ur shoelaces and find one moon.

[@GermanPeter]

You also posted a comment, that's a moon as well.

[@gamerchief7740]

Shintai exactly just one A filler one

[@hubblebublumbubwub5215]

Started the video, got a moon Something appears on screen, got a moon Joseph starts talking, got a moon Joseph has completed a sentence, got a moon

[@DeadSpaceWing]

I watched this 2 hour video for one stinking moon? Not worth it. Disliked.

[@evelynposegate2968]

1:42:56 I actually missed the moon you get by jumping into the first pot of stew and went straight for the second moon, because I thought that jumping into the first pot would be too easy and obvious to be its own moon. when I got the first moon later i was actually insulted.

[@dontstopmeenow]

With the Mushroom Kingdom thing I was like wait no I played that one like last did I not know you could go to it at the start? He even fooled someone that played the game damn well done

[@micaelgarcia1576]

It's there once you beat the game once.

[@PenguinLord10]

Oh my god I thought the "look at a flying taxi" thing was a parody thought up by ProZD. That's an actual thing. Holy shit.

[@ToucanTheDragonagain]

PROZD MENTIONED

[@mrcarrothead99]

Considering how Mario Odyssey was one of the early Switch games, I think it was designed in a way to showcase the portable aspect of the console. By that I mean that the game is probably meant to be played in short bursts of time. I play Odyssey in the same way I play Animal Crossing, in a very casual manner. I turn on the game for about 30 minutes just to kill some time, collect some moons and play around with its fun movement mechanics before turning off and heading out to do something else. Not that I think your points are invalid, I actually agree with most of them and I am not trying to make an excuse for poor videogame design, but I think that playing the game on a slow pace can make the moon collecting aspect of the game feel much more tolerable and less of a mindless and tiresome chore. Anyways, great video! I don't usually watch long reviews, but this one made 2 hours feel like nothing

[@wariolandgoldpiramid]

Yeah, he streamed the game for 12 hours straight on launch. Which is NOT how the game is meant to be played. And it actually makes me wish more games could force limits on how you play at once.

[@shamringo7438]

@@wariolandgoldpiramid Forcing limits is stupid People should be able to play games however they want. Why would a game, used for entertainment, want people to stop playing because "it's not meant to be played like this"?

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@wariolandgoldpiramid You are part of the reason Splattoon and Animal Crossing can intentionally f"ck over players.

[@MegaZeta]

This comment doesn't seem to engage with one of the video's main points: that "short challenges for short bursts of activity" is one of the series strong suits, and that's *_not_* what happens here. Instead, you're given too many rewards for doing things that don't rise to that level-incidental and insubstantial.

[@robkies]

@@wariolandgoldpiramid i played the game and finished it in a few hours it's short as hell yes, it was a rushed run, but that's because i wanted to see more worlds, but the game basically punishes you for being curious and leaving worlds too quickly other mario games don't make you leave levels too quickly, requiring X stars to continue, while here if it says like "10 moons for the next world" the game will last a lot less if i collect the stars required to just end the game in mario 64 the game wants you to collect at least 70 stars to finish the game and it's still gonna take a while for casual players, while mario odyssey, for casual players, it's gonna last a few hours only (i finished it in like 5 or 6 hours, a casual player)

[@AlexanderWilithinIII]

Oh wow, that Mushroom Kingdom bait and switch blew my mind. I saw the comments during your jab in the God of War video and didn't get it, but now I understand. WILD.

[@GibusWearingMann]

I saw those same comments, and came here looking to find more. Instead, I found your comment, which makes me happy.

[@brazencoronet17]

Me too.

[@brazencoronet17]

@@Mertanian The thing is, he claimed that the Mushroom kingdom was the first level to trick people who haven't played the game into thinking the tedium was just teaching mechanics, but then showed them it was one of the last levels in the game to show just how underwhelming and easy the game is.

[@planescaped]

I played the game and thought throughout him listing all the Mushroom Kingdom moons "Did I miss something?" "Was I supposed to go back there?" XD Odyssey was such a painfully mediocre game. Truest 4/10 I have ever seen.

[@jacobosborne9936]

As someone who hasn't played the game the bait and switch with the Mushroom Kingdom WAS a masterpiece.

[@Schwallex]

As someone who hasn't played the game, you are an idiot for watching this video. And of course by the standards of an idiot a very basic writing technique is a masterpiece. While by the standards of a Joseph Anderson it was meh at best.

[@ethanmathoo2117]

Schwallex Calm the fuck down

[@MrMetalforever5]

Look at this faux comment-section critic flexing his intensely minuscule intelligence, good on ya Schwallex, you're a certified idiot.

[@setomanda3272]

+Schwallex What did this man do to you?

[@LloydRhodesBrandon]

+Schwallex Holy fuck you're horrible

[@erikm8373]

Honestly, your points about many of the shrines feeling like they were thrown together in a basic level editor makes me think that some kind of Odyssey Maker game would actually be great.

[@e-ip6oy]

wow just had to stretch it to ten minutes...

[@wispy9859]

Ad revenue, everybody wins. Oh wait

[@joecromarty6682]

Happy Builder This comment acts as a summary to his opinions on odyssey.

[@mattcubed9658]

@@joecromarty6682 Your comment acts as a summary of you obviously not getting the point.

[@joecromarty6682]

Matt Cubed is his point not that odyssey has been needlessly padded with useless content in order to stretch out the play time.

[@vukcurovic2770]

@@joecromarty6682 no, his comment is a joke for the lenght of the video

[@FrancisGX]

At first I was like “why is he spending so much time on the moons?” And then I remembered that’s the whole game o_O

[@DuskLegend]

Francis Gabriel Xavier exactly so why even play it if you’re going to have such a problem with getting them

[@minihjalte]

Dusk Legend because the game can still be interesting to critique and analyse?

[@ВладимирКоролёв-х1м]

@@DuskLegend He explained that.

[@UniversalSketch]

People have probably said it hundreds of times by now but at 1:21:00 Mario looks at the right answer if you stop moving near the pipes, how would anyone figure this out naturally? Probably by failing 10 times in a row beforehand, so it's not impossible to do the first time but also it isn't designed in any way outside of that system that gives you the answer.

[@JohnDoe-et5bq]

so many games have the characters look at points of interest but this time its bad?

[@bobbymcjoey9432]

​@@JohnDoe-et5bq No they fucking don't 💀. Name somes games that have the character looking at points of interest as the only clue for what you're supposed to do.

[@xaf15001]

@@JohnDoe-et5bq why would you stop moving in a platformer? and if I'm guessing and in my head looking for clues, why would I thought the clue would be on Mario, who just came here at the same time as me, and is mostly just my thoughtless avatar in the game world?

[@roaringdino3000]

@@bobbymcjoey9432 botw and totk

[@highnoon7097]

It's one of many examples of absolutely terrible game design. This just doesn't feel like a Nintendo game. It's like a third party game where they didn't have time to beta test and troubleshoot for flaws. A Ubisoft game then. They just threw a load of disjointed cack into a bin, spat in some hackneyed nostalgia and tried to serve it up as a Mario game. It's awful, genuinely one of the least pleasant game experiences I've ever had. The fucking useless joycon controller design didn't help things either. It shows how far Nintendo has gone from their own high standards when they churn out utter rubbish that is Odyssey and the Switch console in general. There's just abolutely no thought put into anything they release whether it's software or hardware.

[@StarchieHalo]

It's by no means a bad game but I was taken back by the absurd amount of moons in the game, especially with how many were just: break this rock, ground pound here, use this capture for 2 seconds, talk to this npc.

[@tortoisewarrior4855]

This is why I am begging they don't release an Odyssey 2. 3D world and the galaxies were so much better in every way

[@GenoBlue]

@@tortoisewarrior4855 um if they made odyssey 2 actually really good and creative level design, keeping the movement options or expanding upon it then it would be a masterpiece

[@user-hb7hg2zh7n]

To me that exact reason why it is a bad game, the content needs to be engaging enough to want to continue, there was no way I was doing all that obviously repetitive stuff, compared to other Mario games - Galaxy, 64, Sunshine in particular this is INCREDIBLY lazy

[@JoeMama-yd1ve]

the moons felt like the "Collect ten direwolf pelts," of platformers. Just stupid busy-work, like no give me something to platform! I don't want just pointless, brain-dead tasks for the sake of completing tasks.

[@josiahbaumgartner7643]

@@JoeMama-yd1ve I want busywork in between my big quests 🤷🏻‍♂️ I like getting distracted by little 30 second detours

[@islandboy9381]

Of course its no masterpiece.. That title goes to: SUPER MARIO BROS 2 BAYBEEE THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE MASTAPIEECEE #objectivefacts

[@GR33DMUSIC]

Garfield kart*

[@gamerchief7740]

Homer J. Simpson what?! You dunk KNACK 2 IS THE REAL MASTAPEECE

[@knightnight0108]

#everybodyelsesopinionsareshit

[@HouseClarkzonian]

SUUUUPPPPERRRR MAAARRRIIOOO BROOTTTHHHEERRSS TWWWWOOO BAAAYYYBEEE

[@nobodylife6085]

Ah i see, your man of Dunkey as well.

[@TwitchFailsandWins]

"If you played the game you're used to tedium and wont be bothered by it" Damn.

[@eanderson9599]

Twitch Fails I haven’t watched the whole vid so don’t know the context of that quote, but I wouldn’t consider Mario Odyssey’s main campaign tedious at all. The only tedious part of the game imo are the moon paintings where you have to go somewhere else to get that moon (but that’s less than 5% of the whole game)

[@progfoxmusic]

Came to the comments just to see if that quote was here. Brilliant.

[@MisterHeroman]

He just wanted likes because someone posted that line before he did and got way more. Ironically that line hits hardest at joe himself because he did 2 playthroughs and spent all that time getting moons.

[@SuperAvocadoo]

Which is ironic since he said that Stephen's Sausage Roll is one of the best puzzle games he ever played.

[@SaintSC05]

People still don't know what ironic means.

[@AHo-ne2df]

With a title this, nothing can go wrong

[@jarv7441]

except for grammar perhaps

[@markcarsonjr7503]

Yeah Nintendo fanboys everywhere instantly got triggered because they're weak

[@benlink202forever]

Mark Carson Jr I'm a huge fan of Nintendo and found a lot of his points well made and had great examples and back up. Now what I did find annoying was the length of the video. As much as it's great to see him make the effort to explain everything, some parts are just absolutely unnecessary. Like bringing up Dark Souls.

[@makiroll3603]

EU4, what are you doing here? Don't you have some blobbing to do?

[@squeaks5677]

Exactly what UBER said with the self driving cars...

[@absollnk]

I spent 50 hours collecting every single moon in the game, and watching this footage, I barely remember any of it. This helped me a lot in pinpointing why odyssey was Just Pretty Good to me instead of the 10/10 it feels like everyone says it is

[@ralphiecifaretto8961]

Who told you to get every moon in the game? That's on you.

[@absollnk]

@@ralphiecifaretto8961 sorry I thought the big collectible count they were advertising would be fun and interesting as that's the standard expectation for a video game. Next time I'll go into a game to have no fun instead

[@ralphiecifaretto8961]

@@absollnk Why do you feel the need to get EVERYTHING when it's not needed to beat the game?

[@absollnk]

@@ralphiecifaretto8961 because I'm a completionist and I value getting the most out of every game I play

[@ralphiecifaretto8961]

@@absollnk That sounds like OCD to me.

[@AF-dm1sg]

That mushroom kingdom bait and switch. Damn. Good Critique

[@DandyGuy]

Having not played the game it really got me.

[@brightsuperstition]

Same here. I haven't played SMO, nor do I have any plans to since I've never been a Mario fan, but I never would have thought in a million years that something like the Mushroom Kingdom would be anything but introductory tutorial material. Well played, Anderson.

[@Sightss_]

KZbin is fascinating. There are a bunch of relatively recent comments from people apologizing for disliking prematurely, and respectfully disagreeing. A lot of people doing that from the get go. Some are saying its horrible, while others argue it's ok at best. So many opinions. And then you have people who just dislike instantly never to come back. Possibly leaving a comment saying the video is ass... Goes to show how many different people there are, and how they can change and reflect on what they're being told. Wierd how a vid about a mario game could bring this out so clearly

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

Also the realization like 5 minutes after 100%ing the game that the best part about the game is just skipping over it(Speedrunning it)

[@Mqstodon]

Ok but, leaving a dislike is not bad? Leaving a dislike cause you disagree with a video isn't bad. People that disliked and said they didn't like the video aren't dumb or fanboys, they just didn't like the video

[@marcocognome1835]

This Is the sad magic of t the internet "insert magiacale effect"

[@leonconnelly5303]

Yeah people think things. We got a fucking Aristotle over hear

[@ayazyaman6506]

@@Mqstodon leaving is a dislike isn't bad leaving a dislike because of the title is bad I remember when this video released in about an hour there were 3 thousand dislikes

[@ricardoms2072]

It's good, but it's no SUPAH MARIO BROTHERS 2 BABYYYYY

[@hiduck8247]

ooooh

[@Yanglock]

SUPA MARIO BROTHERS 2 YA BITCH

[@philippkonrad3875]

ITS STILL THE BEST

[@samuelpilon9749]

video game dunkey

[@nordicrain]

Best game of the year again! still the undefeated champion baybeeee

[@grit1]

What I think everybody needs to take away from this is "if an optional menial task has a chance to reward something, it now becomes required". Doing all these small things for a chance at a moon is now something encouraged thus mandatory if you want to complete the game.

[@Konamiagent]

I greatly enjoyed Mario odyssey without feeling the need to even grind for 500 moons.

[@cantrip97]

reward-based gameplay brain rot

[@northernloss]

“It’s like having Chris Pratt as your online boyfriend” is my favorite analogy ever

[@ArylBarrel]

SAME.

[@Tom_Quixote]

I guess it was his way of coming out of the closet?

[@EchoDissolve]

Analogy, not simile.

[@northernloss]

@@EchoDissolve My bad, ty

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@Tom_Quixote i wonder what his wife's thinking about that

[@monsieursp00ky44]

"I'm sorry if this seemed tedious to anyone who already played the game, but I figured if you have then you're already pretty used to tedium and shouldn't be bothered by it." GOD DAMN

[@V_y-r_e]

WHA-WHAAAT?!!!

[@MasterRoyalSnow]

Shots fired 💀

[@spookydonkey42]

Seems kind of reductive to me when presented like that. Any game can be boiled down to its repetitive elements. Move right and jump. Strafe and shoot. arrange puzzle pieces. Dynasty warriors and street fighter are tedious if u consider its one gameplay type, but we go back to them for many reasons. Mario also. Its "tedium" perhaps for sake of cynicism here? Still a dope af video btw

[@Sushi_Burrito]

In good games, those repetitive elements are built around a solid core. usually this is an interesting narrative, a gradually escalating difficulty, more complex level design, a gradual introduction of new mechanics that force you to rethink your initial impressions of the core mechanics... but his point is that SMO does none of these things and simply recycles the same "chalenges" over and over again.

[@chosenundead3174]

Thanks noob-noob. This guy gets it

[@davidheinrich7641]

I love your sarcastic comment in your vids. Personal fave in this one: "Sometimes you're... a stretchy onion thing; the dream of every child."

[@jimbogreen7029]

what about "If you played the game you're used to tedium and wont be bothered by it"

[@benlink202forever]

Jimbo Green pretty hypocritical, but none the less savage.

[@xEric1993]

omg that one killed me lol

[@squeaks5677]

Eevil I Calm down. He likes a joke, so what?

[@aesynk3537]

Honestly, even after all this time, I have to say I enjoyed this game a lot. But this video is a good perspective on why many people don’t like it the way I do.

[@leeartlee915]

I find this fascinating. So it sounds like you acknowledge (or at least recognize how others could see this game) but still like it a lot. How is that possible? Is that you disagree with the criticisms? That, despite the issues, you still enjoy exploring the worlds? For me, I found the worlds really cool, Mario’s move set incredible, and (at first) the possessions really neat. But it didn’t take long for the bad moons to start tainting the entire experience for me. Like for every “good” moon, there were 3-5 not great moons, followed up by a few “wtf” moons. I’m very very curious what your thoughts are.

[@Jewce24]

@@leeartlee915 I’m currently trying to 100% the game and the thing that keeps me coming back is the movement and traversal options for Mario and Cappy. If not for the movement I would’ve dropped the game a long time ago.

[@leeartlee915]

@@Jewce24 lol, talking about butting into a conversation. Aren’t you already bitchin’ at me in your original post about how “I haven’t played the game in 5 years”? Apparently that’s bullshit as you’re playing it right now.

[@aesynk3537]

@@leeartlee915Hey! I’m a bit late responding to you here 😄 Mario Odyssey is a good game. A great game, even. Even after you beat it, there’s still so much things to do, the worlds are well thought out and its style is really reminiscent of Mario Galaxy and Mario 64. The soundtrack (while it’s not the best if we compare it to older Mario games) is delightful to me and to be honest, I’m glad that was the first game I played on switch! Mario Odyssey is a colorful, nostalgic, gorgeous game, and while not being super hard, it’s fun. And that’s what makes it so cool. It wasn’t made to be a masterpiece, nor be the best super mario game, it was just made so you sit back and have fun. ❤️ I do have one or two negative points, but in no way it outweighs the excitement I had playing this game for the first time.

[@leeartlee915]

@@aesynk3537 Hmmm, yeah, I could see that. I like how you framed that too. “It’s not the best Mario game but just meant to be fun”. I think if THAT was what I saw more frequently, I wouldn’t be so shocked by the general opinions on the game. But to see people call it the BEST Mario game EVER, yeah, that just blows my mind a little. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it.

[@Bboy10110]

I genuinely forgot that there was a snow kingdom in this game.

[@benmjt]

It really is a shockingly limited piece of level design, they must have run out of time or something, it's barren.

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

Tfw you realize that the best part about the game is skipping over it

[@thecondescendingjosh4257]

The problem with Super Mario Odyssey, that isn't painfully obvious on a first playthrough, is that the game feels unfocused. The first time around(when the game launched) I wanted to collect everything, and so I did. The second time I picked up the game(about 6 months ago) I started playing and was enjoying my time, but there was something off that eventually made me stop playing. I then realised that most of the moons(except for a very, VERY few exceptions) aren't memorable. As long as you find enough, you're able to move forward. I haven't played Super Mario 64 in quite a long time but I still remember racing Koopa the Quick, fighting King Bob-omb, the monkey that steals your hat, helping the snowman get his body...the list goes on, and I can barely remember the rabbits in Odyssey. The game gives you a lot of freedom, but that freedom makes the game feel unfocused and somewhat uninspired. Sure, there's a gazillion moons to collect...but you can stumble upon one and that's that... mission accomplished, I guess - except it didn't feel like a mission, nor an accomplishment. Super Mario Odyssey is still a good game, don't get me wrong, but better than its predecessors...it is not.

[@pileofsand8756]

Well said.

[@Mqstodon]

I mean that could also be becaue odissey has more moons, which makes it more difficult to remember them since you collect so many.

[@carlotta4th]

You have to keep in mind that some of that is nostalgia, though. Sure no one is going to remember the "jumprope forever" moons, but kids will remember other ones and how tricky they were to get to. And they may be just as nostalgic about those as you are about the games you grew up with.

[@Muddy120]

I disagree with most of these points and think is has great moon design past some filler ones and is very inspired and well made and the best Mario game ever made and created too

[@Salieri01]

Muddy120 well you are fucking wrong

[@j03man44]

16:33 "it would be like having Chris Pratt as your online boyfriend" This line had me stunlocked for a full minute. I had to rewind the video because I couldn't stop thinking about how amazing that comparison is.

[@covereye5731]

And how has this feeling evolved during these Mario Movie days?

[@superflashyariel3835]

Before watching this video, after finishing Odyssey and doing a lot of the after game content I would talk about how Odyssey is this massive game with so much stuff in it and so much content. But this video made me realize just how many recycled filler moons there were, how small the kingdoms actually were, and how linear some parts of the game are. I still enjoy the game, but my perspective on how “massive” it is and my overall opinion has definitely changed.

[@fatihcaylakcaylak4151]

The part that starts at 37:40 is BRILLIANT. I keep coming back to this video just because of it.

[@skub22do]

I skipped to this part from your comment which may have changed my perspective on it, but personally I thought the way he presents the point was really stupid. Having played the game I obviously know the mushroom kingdom isn't first, but he keeps going on with the joke for about five minutes, and then just uses the "well oddysey is tedious haha you should be used to it" shit. The point is certainly valid, it's just a really annoying and antagonizing way to present it.

[@radekseky4571]

@@skub22do Not a joke. I haven't played the game so this was a perfect explanation of the game's gameplay loop for me. I could even argue that I didn't have to watch the rest of the video after that. I understand tho that to you it might seem he's ridiculing the game when you knew it.

[@kevinnigins9488]

skub22do it wasn’t a joke, the point of that section was to emphasize his point on how boring and tedious this game can be.

[@planescaped]

@@skub22do ....Jesus.... -__-

[@GravitySmashify]

​@@skub22do I think the reason he did it was because that one world pretty much exemplified all of his criticisms about the game. By going through the world and its moons, I could see how even the "first" world was pretty tedious and could have been more challenging, but whatever, it's the first world, so hopefully it would be better later on. I was pretty shocked when he mentioned that it was one of the last worlds in the game. It evoked the feeling that "If you find this boring, then the rest of the game will be too." I think going through a full world in the game was a good idea to let uninformed viewers know the general pacing and variety of gameplay uninterrupted.

[@setlerking]

23:07 he’s so committed to his mushroom kingdom example he edited this world selection screen to not spoil his example. That’s dedication and something I’d likely miss

[@GuyFromSomeWorld]

Not sure if this is a joke or if you just haven't played this game after beating it, but Mushroom Kingdom is actually there on the Kingdom selection screen once you beat the game. Not sure why, but it is.

[@Thirteen13551355]

@@GuyFromSomeWorld He probably works for Nintendo or something, has never played the game.

[@GuyFromSomeWorld]

@@jinmause206 I meant it would probably make more sense for it to be at the end rather than the beginning.

[@simodelfario4739]

It's always there on the map

[@pr4420]

When you're only going to watch one more video before bed...

[@drago3036]

#relatable

[@rowk19]

pr44 THATS what I’m doing right now lmao

[@joshuaavila9710]

Same

[@nopatiencejoe6376]

That's because you guys didn't watch the 7 hour review of pokemon ORAS

[@omniscientomnipresent5500]

... Nooooo ??? Ok I admit it

[@hueoskar4877]

I can agree with most of your criticism. I played every 3D Mario and loved 64, 3D world and galaxy 2. But I still had the most amount of fun playing odessey. Most moons aren‘t unique and it‘s too easy most of the time. But for me the movement just fixed it all. Although there are 880 moons, grabbing them in „unintended“ ways with trick jumps was so fun! It really isn‘t a perfect game but for me the experience was great.

[@rednidedni3875]

The thing that killed it for me was that those trick jumps just were never necessary or really rewarded. You can do some really cool tricks and get to places in ways that feel unintended... but then you're still just collecting a moon you could have gotten the normal route, but slightly faster. It felt like wasted effort - why bother, when you don't get anything out of it? The game has all this movement and tech, and then it just refuses to ask you to use it. Perhaps it's on me coming to a kid's game looking for challenge

[@EvilPapagali666]

@@rednidedni3875 You are right this is a kid game. The way they did it it was perfect. Easy for anyone but those who know how to play can do cooler and faster. Mario games are like that. The problem with this game is that there is no diference in the harder and the ridiculous gifted moons. Same problem with Zelda botw, lot of content but nothing seems unique besides the main story

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@EvilPapagali666 except galaxy was also for kids and not this easy

[@EvilPapagali666]

@@thatitalianlameguy2235 You absolute can defeat the final boss only doing the easier levels. Same with Mario 64 where you can defeat Bowser with 70 stars and isnt that hard to get that number, but to get the 120 you need to pass some challenges. Galaxy have some reused levels with timer or only 1 bar life that is harder, but to pass planet to planet colecting only the necessary to proced? Not hard at all. But yes, Odissey is a bit easier, but that is with every new games..

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@EvilPapagali666 most of the content is original more meaty and always more challenging because there's less variety and the progression of worlds means that they are allowed to increase challenge while odyssey cannot because you can miss the first version and therefore all challenges are of the same difficulty regardless of world, a fundamentally flawed game

[@BizerkPixel]

imo, the best part about Odyssey was its movement options. Speedrunner's dream right here.

[@hellshot8]

sadly, many have given up speedrunning it because you need to use motion controls to go as fast as possible

[@BizerkPixel]

yeah that's pretty lame, but even casually, there's so many options to get around and get moons in different ways which I'm a sucker for.

[@DrPumpkinz]

Max C It currently has the most active players on speedrun.com by a huge margin.

[@isthisaname6331]

Sadly most are motion controls and are rarely used in playing the actual game.

[@InnocuousRemark]

Oh no I'm gonna listen to Joseph mispronounce Mario for two hours

[@glennmatthews758]

mAYrio

[@HoboborgBigBorgStreams]

meechhhhhreeoh

[@FreezerBurnMC]

This triggers me to no end

[@MasterRoyalSnow]

Mair-e-o 😅 lmao if it was anyway else I couldn't watch. Does anyone know why he does that, like what region he's from or does he provide an example because it seems like a conscience effort more than an accent or whatever. It's as if he honestly believes we're the ones pronouncing it wrong.

[@lovablecylinder2524]

Well, he says "sorry" like a Canadian, so that's something.

[@ProtestantsRUs]

I really liked the game, but I absolutely understand where you're coming from. It's kinda hard not to with the almost comprehensive list of examples lol. Even though I really enjoyed Odyssey, it's essentially my first mario and I would have nothing to compare it too. I also just love seeing someone be critical about it for once instead of "literally applauding". Great video dude, it was 2 full hours, you droned on about the same point the entire time, and I still watched the whole thing. And from someone who makes 15 minute game reviews on youtube that take 3 hours, I cannot imagine the amount of work this must have taken to achieve in game, record, and permutate every single example. Great work.

[@TheRadioSquare]

This one's a classic, baby. It's not for everybody, but it's still one of the genre defining video game essays of 2018.

[@BreninWatson]

Your analysis videos are the only ones I watch while actually looking at the screen. I normally just "podcast" other creators' videos but you don't just plaster random gameplay footage everywhere. When you show something on screen, it's to make a point about the topic at that moment and I absolutely love it. Seriously love the videos man, I watch them on repeat more than I would like to admit.

[@dootdoot6130]

*Reads title* WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S NO MASTERPIECE *Watches vid* Understandable.

[@kwaddell]

MaddogVSC coulda been a patron, it was released to backers yesterday

[@TheBrownieSundownHD]

>2 hour video > Commenting 14 minutes after upload Yeah, you watched it alright

[@WheelyMan260]

look up.

[@Birdie_]

Have a nice day

[@LiteralmenteFadul]

My thought exactly

[@tipperdipper1149]

You know, I played through the game and you had me thinking I legit just didn't realize I skipped the Mushroom Kingdom, then I was just like "OH, making a point"

[@vent9409]

how? did you close the game as soon as the credits roll and never played it again?

[@tipperdipper1149]

@@vent9409 late ass reply from me, you probably don't care, but I didn't. I got to mushroom kingdom and had a lot of fun. He was just so convincing with his point that I thought for a little while that you can just go there from the start of the game instead of when they drop you there at the end and I just didn't know you could. But that only made sense for a minute because with what they sell there alone it wouldn't make sense. That's all I meant, look, he was convincing lol

[@orange_turtle3412]

I think a big problem with odyssey is the lack of variety and originality in its objectives. The movement system is basically perfect and the worlds are (almost) all very memorable. But the game has like 999 moons and probably 3/4 of that is uninspired filler that exists only to artificially extend the game’s length. If they had kept it down to a more reasonable level, spaced objectives out more, and made more unique challenges for them like 64, sunshine, and galaxy, I would be much happier. Those 3 games get by on having only 120 objectives with galaxy 2 having 240. Each feels like its own distinct challenge to obtain.

[@leeartlee915]

Agreed. One point I kinda disagreed with is about the “out in the open moons”. Every 3D Mario game has had this set up. From Mario 64 to Odyssey, there has always been a percentage of moons that are just “there”. But what makes this game different is just how out in the open some moons are. Like, some of them are just on the ground floor as you’re walking around. But there are a lot of them that are pretty comparable to “out in the open” moons in previous games. Other than that, I think this review is spot on.

[@kennethcamp8730]

It’s crazy ppl say the movement system is so perfect, with the motion controls being an obvious flaw and how the ZL button is used to do so many actions that’s it’s easy to, say, ground pound when you really wanted to leap thru the air.

[@leeartlee915]

@@kennethcamp8730 That’s a fair criticism. The controls are far from perfect. What I think people mean is that, when the controls work, Mario moves so smoothly in Odyssey. But I agree, I have ground pounded accidentally more times than I can count… but that also use to happen in Mario 64.

[@JohnDoe-et5bq]

@@kennethcamp8730 just hit the button at the right time dummy?

[@shay_3859]

If you watched the video, he objectively showed that it's actually closer to 7/8s being uninspired filler.

[@infidelcastro6687]

so you're tellin me this game just exists to create nostalgia in a couple decades.

[@amandaslough125]

Yes. Though kids deserve challenges too. It's why Sonic always felt different than Mario in decades past. One was easy for anyone, the other rewarded you for mastering the system.

[@cosmicmist2020]

This is my guess for how many “plant a seed” moons there are in Odyssey: 300?

[@cheddargt]

Yes

[@hades6532]

Yes

[@Quadraginta1337]

No.....maybe.....yes.

[@sikklik2847]

wow you clearly wached the video before writing this smh...

[@drago3036]

@@sikklik2847 hey, lucky guesses happen XD

[@ryanc2788]

Just had to push it to the ten minute mark huh smh Edit: Holy shit thank you for so many likes

[@wispy9859]

In the end, he won. Money is power.

[@RekizFilms]

Nintendo will de-monetize it anyway

[@Azoedud]

Are you all being sarcastic? Sorry for not identifying sarcasm very well

[@ryanc2788]

Azoe yes, just a joke

[@Azoedud]

Oh, alright, thx.

[@UEhappydudey]

Dude really brought up Chris Pratt in a Mario video five years before the movie. Hats off to you my good sir.

[@ProAtBeingANoob]

Holy shit dude... I came into this video expecting to disagree a lot, but no, you're amazing at constructing your arguments with large amounts of detail and examples. Not only that, but your arguments were extremely persuasive in ways I don't see reviewers and critics often ever use. All the while, I felt I was able to disagree with opinions of yours while fully understanding where you came from with your own opinion. The only fault I have with this review is I don't think I'll be able to enjoy a Mario game the same way ever again, because you really raised my standards for what to expect from a game, and how much better they really can be.

[@tempiii3776]

MudkipMonkey too scared to face reality??? Sorry that was inappropriate

[@Ekitchi0]

Same, I never though I would be watching this video more than 20min, and here I am 1 hour and 20 min in ^^

[@kalanielibrenoklinke9440]

This video is just an excuse for Joseph to confess his crush on Chris Pratt.

[@jeromealday614]

I died at the that moment. So many comparison to make and he chose that 😂😂

[@NightRogue77]

But you don’t need excuses to love the Pratt

[@wanupafterhours4063]

Oh man this chris Pratt comment…

[@CakeLord7]

HOW DID YOU KNOW

[@SleeperJauffre]

Jesus Christ

[@ianmount8585]

The problem with the “It’s for kids argument” Is that kids aren’t nearly as dumb as we act like they are. Putting moons out in the open right where you spawn isn’t really something kids like, I mean I played videogames all my life, the games geared towards kids (like pokémon for example) always felt too easy, or not right. I didn’t realize then that it was because it was geared for kids.

[@bladechild2449]

define kid though. 5-8 year olds aren't geared for figuring out tricky stuff. Saying Pokemon is made for kids sounds pretty dumb. No one under the age of 10 can possibly complete Pokemon without outside help. They're not gonna figure out the teleport puzzles or something like Seafoam Islands. Whereas a lot of young kids can probably complete MO

[@lollipophugo]

I think that's a bit reductive tbh, kids might come up with solutions that are nonsensical to an adult. for an example, I played pokemon red when I was 10ish and I didn't know how to use flash, I couldn't figure out something so simple. But I made my way through rock tunnel in the pitch black by following the walls on the left all the way out and was surprised by every trainer on the way so couldn't prep for each fight, and I managed that which is like a self imposed much more difficult version of that tunnel (for a kid anyway). Kids are surprisingly good at working their way through difficult challenges.

[@matth5885]

Dan Datcoldness they are not wrong in the sense is that when u think of kids as a general market the norm is that they want quick easy simple game play. This can further be justified by the rise of mobile gaming that gives an alternative to traditional gaming and if kids get bored/frustrated they will just return to mobile games. This is the reason why some modern games such as the post gen 5 games all are so easy and lack post game content.

[@eggnblood]

I think one of the main problems is that the Nintendo audience is growing up and they kind of don't know how to deal with it because they fear higher standards and less than stellar sales. So they overly simplify gameplay to try and attract any kind of kiddy: including audiences who objectively aren't supposed to be resolving the puzzles they design, such as 4 to 6yos. See how many fricking moons there are in Odyssey and how Insultingly easy Ganon was in BOTW without thr 4 minions.

[@PipeGuy64Bit]

But as a kid I had no idea how to unlock Corona Mountain in Mario Sunshine. How is anyone suppose to figure out you need to clear episode 7 for all of the stages?

[@williamoconnell12]

I thought you were being hard on the game until you drew the comparison between how things that would previously be rewarded with 1-ups are rewarded with moons, that’s a really provoking observation

[@notthis9586]

Bench friends the best moon when your dressed as a clown for it, major "we live in a society" energy

[@gustogay190]

I agree with a lot of stuff in this video, the bench friends opinion is not one of them. That moon made me smile, the way he speaks in a lower tone than every other new donker. There’s nothing much to it gameplay wise, but it’s funny. Good moon.

[@isaacd.9986]

This is my guess for how many "plant a seed" moons there are in mario odyssey: Too many

[@guillaumechau6082]

That's absolutely correct! Congratulations! Your prize is...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!

[@danbeucler3029]

just remember the words of a somewhat familiar man. He's not trying to retroactively convince you that you didn't enjoy the time you had with the game. if you loved it, great; if you liked it, great; if you didn't play it, great; if you didn't like it, great; if you hated it great.

[@UnicornStorm]

nah, he just tries to convince others not to play the game ;-P

[@danbeucler3029]

UnicornStorm (he's the one who said that btw).

[@UnicornStorm]

he also said that the game isn't for veteran mario fans, but specifically for newcomers..... But to clarify: I'm not implying that he actively wants to discourage people from playing the game, but this is just the nature of a negative critique.... And I found it way more subjective and hyperbole than his other videos

[@Xbob42]

It's not his job to sell or not sell anyone on the game. Just to give his opinion.

[@Antiformed]

"Video games are art, and should be critically appreciated as such... as long as you don't dislike a game I like."

[@diodamke1007]

I agree that just being given some menial task to do in exchange for a collectable isn't fun when the task is just busywork and isn't challenging and engaging in some way, and in general I'm not a fan of the "if you don't like it don't use/do it" argument in game design... but I have to say I do think it somewhat applies to at least some of the filler moons in this game. The ones like "Bench Friends" I mean, the ones where you interact with some random object, get a moon for it, and from then on have to interact with every similar object in the game just in case it gives you a moon. You only have to do that if you're going for every moon, which you don't have to do. If you aren't going for every moon, then once you come across a moon like "Bench Friends" you can just make a mental note along the lines of "I might find more moons by sitting on every bench in the game, but that sounds tedious so I'm not going to do it. I'll get the moons I need elsewhere instead." This is something you can do with them that you can't with other bad moons, because you know beforehand that these moons aren't worth it, which you won't for every bad moon.* Now this still isn't an excuse for them, mind, a bad moon is still a bad moon, but they're not *as* bad as you made out because they're only an active detriment to players who are unable to resist their completionist urges, of which admittedly there are many. To everyone else they don't add value, but they don't really detract from the game either. It is a shame though that completionist urges are punished for what's probably the first time in a 3D Mario. Of course there were lacklustre stars in previous Mario games, but I think most people would agree it's generally worth going for all of them in 64, Sunshine, Galaxy etc. whereas that doesn't seem like the case in Odyssey. Between this and gathering all the korok seeds rewarding you with a giant pile of shit in Zelda, I have to wonder if somebody at Nintendo has it out for completionists. I also think it's interesting you note some of the hidden moons in this game would probably have been 1-ups in previous Mario games, but since the lives system has been removed now they're moons instead. I think a lot of people nowadays consider lives to be a holdover from arcade games that have no place in modern game design, something I disagree with, and this could be an example of their removal having a negative effect on the game. *There is a slight caveat to this, which is that you might still want to check every bench on the off-chance one of them doesn't just give you a moon, but leads to a separate challenge. However I don't think most people would assume any of them would, and even if you did think that a few might, you would probably still come to the conclusion it isn't worth bothering to check.

[@arkanjoteixeira]

The Korok Seed recurring joke was perfect hahah

[@Freezeflame22]

As someone who hasn't played the game, I jaw-dropped when you revealed the Mushroom Kingdom was in fact one of the last kingdoms rather than the earliest.

[@uhacharly81]

FreezeFlame22 I've the played the game it's mostly fan service

[@wolfie8227]

I haven't played it either and it just looks boring

[@uhacharly81]

Wolfie yep it is

[@nekoking6948]

I beat it 100% and despite that I found it boring. I just did it cause I paid 80 f%%kin bucks on the damn thing. got a hat in time on steam for 30$ and I played over 100 hours of it. Large high budget games feel less creative these days.

[@michaellucas6230]

Then why are you watching this video if you don’t want spoilers

[@CorruptedSave]

I would say that some of this could be resolved by having different tiered systems of rewards than just the "moon." I think the multi-moons are just awful, considering three moons are so easy to get. That said, I don't think this game is meant to be played from a completionists mindset. I also don't think this game is intended to be marathonned. I think Nintendo designed the game to have players be able to pick it up for about 30 minutes to an hour or two at a time, and feel like they made significant progress in that time, no matter how short the session. Especially considering the Switch doubles up as a portable system.

[@DemonlordHatty]

Problem with the whole "Not meant to be played with the completionist mindset" is if you're playing it for the purpose of exploration, the constant interruption of Moon Get! and tedious ways of getting these moons makes this probably the most boring game of the decade to do that with. Go play BotW, a vastly superior game for that type of gameplay. And if you're looking at it in terms of a completionist mindset, then the game spends WAY too much time on pointless fanfare.

[@MisterHeroman]

I want a game world/level filled with content, not empty space though.

[@DemonlordHatty]

Then play the Witcher 3. Because Breath of the Wild is for exploration, not completionism. And Mario tries to dabble in both, and ends up fucking both up.

[@CorruptedSave]

Oh and don't mistake my defense of the game as my hard core undying love for it. I simply thought the game was alright. I am just responding to the video, and where I think the disconnect is between Joseph Anderson and the game. In this case, I don't think the platform can be ignored. I really do think that Nintendo wants people to play this game in shorter bursts rather than long gaming sessions. From that perspective, they want someone to be able to pick up the console like a giant gameboy, curl up on the couch, go to town on the game for 15 minutes and walk away with like 10 or so moons each time. (Obviously these are ass-pulled numbers, but more just to illustrate the idea.) The stages are less about "worlds to explore" and more like "playgrounds to romp around." This doesn't make the game good or bad. It just makes it good for some people and bad for others, and this was just really bad for him. He has a very objective-based, maximum efficiency, skill testing mindset when it comes to games. Not a playground, make-your-own-fun mindset. So naturally this idea that "I've gotta get EVERY moon" feeling is going to wear you down, and suddenly you're going to feel every animation, and kick every rock, and sit on every bench and feel the veins in your eyes unraveling while doing it. Because at that point it became a chore, and not a playground. Regarding the fanfare, that never really bothered me personally. I think it would be far more unusual if they had no fanfare at all. But I stand by my original statement in that they just needed to have different tiers of collectible rewards. One more tier could have done it - coins, purple coins, something less than moons, and then moons as the big get

[@codacious14]

MisterHeroman Then SMO is your game. Run and jump around for twenty seconds, you'll have a moon. You'll have "content." Flick your hat onto something and move it, more "content." Etc. For me, being immersed in a game world involves relaxing a bit on the "content" and just appreciating the atmosphere or the scenery for a moment, or just realizing the scale of things. Like in BotW, how vast these spaces are, how epic it is to scale a mountain or paraglide over a huge rock formation, or see a forest in the distance and travel to it. SMO is like they saw all that space and just condensed it all together so people could have "content" without "waiting." This isn't to say BotW doesn't have this problem of quantity>quality too occasionally. 900 Korok seeds, repetitive enemy camps, and 120 shrines come to mind.