Super Namekian Piccolo Vs Future Android 17: Who Would Win?

Super Namekian Piccolo Vs Future Android 17: Who Would Win? ‪@LSMMIKE‬ explains in this Dragon Ball Z Anime and Manga video.
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[@LSMMIKE]

Who do YOU think would win: Super Namekian Piccolo or Future Android 17? Watch the full video for my in-depth analysis. The fight could A LOT closer than you think.

[@MichaelJohnson-ss7qf]

Who do you think would win Piccolo (post king Kai training) vs Goku post gravity training on namek? Piccolo has not absorbed nail and goku has not gotten the zenki boost from the body snatch 15:57

[@nemanja162]

What about android 19 vs frieza on namek?

[@geethamadhuri4.033]

DBZ is Life nd goku (Kakarot) is really a true hero Nd my true hero for ever...!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@AndrewAce.]

So Piccolo fought evenly with 17 during their fight despite losing stamina the whole time. This leads me to believe that Piccolo likely had a slight edge over 17. And after that, he still had enough power to fire a Light Grenade that freaked 17 out. So if he got a Light Grenade off on 17, he could probably win. Also, while 17 can probably maintain his barriers indefinitely due to his infinite energy, they have an energy threshold, and aren't actually indestructible. So Piccolo might be able to overpower/outfight 17, assuming it's a one on one. On the other hand, he might just lose the fight due to running out of stamina, which is what I always assumed would have happened to him if Cell didn't interrupt their fight. But thinking back on it, Piccolo might have been pacing himself throughout that fight to potentially face 16 & 18, as he went into the fight not counting on 17 facing him alone, and kept the Light Grenade in his back pocket... If he goes into a fight against 17 knowing he doesn't have to conserve power, and fires a near full-power Light Grenade, he probably wins. The attack's range is also massive, so it'd be hard to evade... What do you guys think?

[@justinkelley1894]

That's my read on Piccolo vs 17 but hadn't ever given it thought as to him holding back for the other androids. Good catch!

[@trestiles1914]

I always thought piccolo was slightly stronger but not strong enough to get the win based on not having unlimited stamina, never really considered the possibility that piccolo was holding back

[@AndrewAce.]

@@justinkelley1894 That's what I like about these discussions. They often lead me to rethink stuff I've never questioned and come up with new possibilities...

[@AndrewAce.]

@@trestiles1914 Yes, I've tended to believe that Piccolo was stronger and a better fighter, but that was balanced out by the physical disadvantage of fatigue, which is what made the fight as close as it was. I always thought it was strange that Piccolo only chose to use the Light Grenade against Cell, but then it hit me that he might have really just been conserving stamina to potentially take on his other opponents, or to possibly even get jumped by multiple of them at once, which actually seems to be what he went into the fight assuming would happen, but then he changed tactics after 17 offered to fight one on one... Just a theory... Piccolo tends to be tactical that way. It also somewhat mirrors the Radditz fight- and how he wasn't going to use the Special Beam canon until he realized how outmatched they were. He always likes to keep one or two hidden cards just in case...

[@playerback7722]

Piccolo thinks 2 steps ahead. No brawn just wits

[@TuneTalesGamer]

Gotta give this one to Super Namekian Piccolo. He was able to keep pace with present 17 who was stated to be MUCH stronger. Big W for Big Green.

[@LSMMIKE]

If you watch the full video, I break down whether the future androids were actually weaker or if that was in fact a misconception. The credibility of that statement comes further into question the closer we look at the evidence.

[@TuneTalesGamer]

I can concede that.@@LSMMIKE

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@LSMMIKE There is no debate, the future androids had to jump much weaker characters, trunks literally broke his sword on 18's arm, come on man, there is no evidence of anything other than the future androids are sh1t compared to current ones, in my opinion the future androids were the strength of current androids 19 and 20, that was the whole reason of there being those androids. Think about it, in the future, vegeta at some time achieved ssj regular, but in the present he got not just ssj, but trained for 3 years in 500 times gravity, the vegeta the androids in the future beat was chump change compared to current Vegeta, and the stronger 19 of current time said she may have to increase her powers to full to beat Vegeta, as you fanboys claim about the future androids that 17 was supposedly only using half his strength vs Gohan. Yeah sorry bro, there is no debate, the current androids are as much as twice as strong as the future ones.

[@LSMMIKE]

Nothing in your wall of text disproves my multiple videos on the subject. I showed the manga in this video and went into the anime in my other. I also directly addressed your counterpoints. Just saying “there is no debate” and listing your argument isn’t an adequate response anymore than when people use buzzwords like “debunked” many channels used to get by on because it was popular in this community. But thanks for the engagement, I appreciate it. Even if it’s not as respectful as the commenter I was actually replying to.

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@LSMMIKE Id be honored to debate you live, no way in hell is the androids of the future stronger than the z warriors that trained for 3 additional years, look at the leap in power they got just from 1 additional training in the time chamber, and that was only 10 times gravity, Vegeta trained for 3 years that he didnt in the future timeline in 500 times gravity with multiple zenkais along the way, your multiple videos dont debunk anything or disprove anything. With 1 additional year of training, the saiyans were able to fight and beat a Cell that didnt even exist in the future timeline that absorbed the new stronger 17 from the current timeline, what argument do you have?

[@Kenjitsuka]

Always a great day when Mike drops a new versus vid!!!

[@Praaggzz]

Back with the hypothetical vids 🔥

[@quotivation47]

Piccolo should have learned Kaio-ken! Great video!

[@LSMMIKE]

Maybe he learned something like it. I did a video about that here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5zNqYGDfaqjgcU

[@AutumnPlains]

@@LSMMIKEWould you be willing to do a video about “Was Cell a Super Saiyan?” 😅 This is a huge misinformation topic where the majority of people say he was… would love your thoughts…

[@ojpickle5923]

​@@AutumnPlains It's not really "misinformation" it's just something that's heavily implied. People in the dragon Ball community are so used to being spoon fed every single statement that they forget most good authors use "show don't tell" You can be a debate bro and say "no it's not real unless it's hyper specifically stated" but most stories don't operate like that

[@AutumnPlains]

@@ojpickle5923 I’m referring to the manga where all auras are white and yellow but I see where you’re coming from. I think it’s a mixed bag because cell exposits everything else about himself (his techniques, etc) but is silent about going super Saiyan? And this is Toriyama we’re talking about 😅 an author who is the last person who is vague lol. I would love Laughing Stock’s opinion on the matter is all but I don’t think he saw the comment.

[@BjornHeiden]

@@AutumnPlainsCell is a super Saiyan.

[@ronaldportillo448]

I personally enjoy the longer videos. Keep it up Mike!

[@casesquirrel583]

It's so good to have you back! About the Z fighters being ready after the three-year time skip... Yamcha should have stayed with Chaozu, or tried the 300-gravity machine a little bit more. 😄

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content! You always make My day 😊😊😊❤❤

[@NickMorrison78]

Welcome back Mike! 🔥

[@Thromaz]

🍻 Well done Mike

[@BiggieCheeseJr.]

Glad to have you back man. Made it in time for the first hour club 💯

[@Ghost-rb6cw]

Great video....keep up the good work.

[@marcelomunhozdarocha5358]

Nice to see you!

[@anto_nio3071]

Great video

[@harristhesecondcomin]

Plz, this isn't even a fight. it's an execution. Super Namekian Piccolo one shots.

[@anthonymurchison8035]

Good video mike

[@Alexander-ix2jp]

Very few ppl understand how much potential Piccolo has and how strong he actually is in his BASE form. You understand it though, and for this I say well done! I agree, Piccolo would have beaten 17 both in the main and future timeline. The light grenade would have made sure of this. Piccolo has been keeping up with the rest in his base to the point where he easily choked the ssj2 out of Gohan and even beat his student in his ultimate form. Now imagine what Dragon King Piccolo is capable of doing after going orange in dbs super hero. Piccolo is backed by both the dragon that he himself created AND Akira Toriyama (Akira's favorite character is Piccolo) - he is the legendary super namekian of the dragon clan. A true prodigy within his own race. His potential could be limitless for all we know, and I strongly believe that is the case. I'm glad that Piccolo is finally getting all the attention and respect that he truly deserves, and I hope to see more of his power in the near future.

[@SamsarasArt]

Depending on if the future Androids actually were weaker or if Trunks was mistaken. We know 17 and 18 purposefully only use a percentage of their power so they can have more fun.

[@amari648]

Trunks even stated after fighting the present androids to the z fighters that they were stronger than the ones from the future. Piccolo wins

[@gangstagummybear3432]

yep

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Happy lunar new year! 🐉🐉🐉🐲🐲

[@jasonenglish3713]

Could call him Dr. G for short,I would like see Android 17 & 18 vs future themselves battle;Keep up awesome and amazing job 👍

[@Neverend117]

🔥🔥🔥

[@Diemondbakk]

I have theory about the present day androids. I think not did they appear stronger but they may have been more pure hearted than their future counterparts. Since gero is a cyborg is it possible he was able to access parts of his computer remotely? I think since in present he rushed back to his lab to wake up 17 and 18 earlier they probably still had more humanity to them. I say that because the future version most likely were completed and lost more humanity and went straight for the kill with the Z fighters. The modern day versions for some reason chose to not kill anyone . And it’s possible if Cell never came everyone would have just gotten strong and beaten them up even with 16 all the sayians post training were past semi perfect. But since the androids didn’t kill them i believe Goku would have sparred them. Ultimately Trunks coming to past basically promised them a brighter Future

[@gangstagummybear3432]

Agreed, what makes the future androids seem stronger than they were, was they were going for the kill, the current androids were easy going vs much much much more powerful versions of the z warriors, Trunks broke his sword trying to hit 18, that never happened in the future timeline.

[@theplanefixer8056]

Many think 17 wins in the end because piccolos stamina drain, but piccolos if you watch the fight CLEARLY was dealing heavier blows causing more damage. He still had that light grenade in his pocket he used against cell that scared 17 crapless. Piccolo didn’t want to gamble that until 17 was broken down a bit more. I think it could’ve gone either way in the end

[@isaacvale918]

Just want to point out the Goku HAD to be weakened by the virus, it makes no sense that Vegeta was able to just straight HANDLE 19 even after it had absored from himself and Goku.

[@aeolusedge8575]

A lot of this comes down to whether you believe the Androids in Cell's timeline (a mirror of Trunks' timeline) are also weaker. After fighting Piccolo, Cell says Piccolo is the only one capable of putting up a fight against the Androids. He was more worried about them being shut down by the remote than Piccolo wiping them out. If the Present>>>>>>Future Androids, then Piccolo would also be way above the Future Androids. Cell knew how many humans he needed to absorb before he became strong enough to confront the Androids. So based on his data, the Androids of his timeline can't be that different than the Present. But that doesn't mean Trunks is wrong. It could simply be a case of Present Androids=Future Androids (Cell's Timeline)>Future Androids (Trunks' Timeline) TL:DR: Piccolo stomps if the Androids are way weaker than the Present. If there isn't a huge difference, the battle can go either way.

[@everettjohnson9374]

Trunks statement was just going off his experience with them, his own master didn't know they were holding back until his death

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@everettjohnson9374 They were "holding back" more than the current androids? I dont think so, if they were "holding back" so much, why do they tag team so much in comparison to the current androids?

[@darkgenics]

​@@gangstagummybear3432you're literally referring to the anime version of the future androids which make Gohan look stronger than 1 of them in his Final stand when the manga contradicts this, he literally gets fodderized by Future 17 at full power.

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@darkgenics Still a weak version of Gohan that never had the 3 years of training, current Gohan shits over any version of 17 at 11 years old

[@NA-lf6ik]

Before watching the video here's my take. It's stated in a guide book that the future androids are "somewhat" weaker than the present ones. Piccolo will be a bit stronger than this 17, but he's not stomping him in a fight. Unless the hellzone grenade hits or the light grenade does I think 17 wins in the long game. This 17 is much more brutal as well, once he feels piccolo rock him he's going to get serious and fight dirty. It's also a possibility though that 17 starts at less than half power, thinking that piccolo is fodder, and piccolo blows him up off the bat since 17 cant sense energy.

[@gangstagummybear3432]

Lol, guidebooks

[@thefirstcoolest7885]

32:27 I find it interesting that 17 tells piccolo to be more mindful of nature and considering that he became a park ranger later, I wonder if they randomly used this for why 17 would become a park ranger in super

[@VinceMenger]

What would be the point of Toryiama making Trunks state that they're different, if it's not true ? Toryiama wanted to highlight some of the changes that time travel brought : a bit stronger androids, and even more important : a change to their personalities. Trunks put up a somewhat "decent fight" in the future timeline, compared to being one shot by 17 alone in the present, a 17 also taking out all the rest of the z team by himself, in a matter of seconds. Why would Toryiama want Trunks to be mistaken here ?

[@gangstagummybear3432]

Like i said, the people making the "argument" are the ones that think Frieza would be too much for a base Goku, and that SSJ3 goku is stronger than Gohan in the Buu series, stupid.

[@VinceMenger]

@@gangstagummybear3432 Gohan was the strongest unfused character indeed. Super messed up big time all the power scaling, and so much more, but anyway. If Trunks was mistaken, it would have been stated, as it was when Trunks thought that he surpassed his father. From a narrative standpoint, it doesn't serve any purpose for Trunks to be mistaken about the androids. It did for the "3rd form SSJ", and the why has been explained by both Cell, and Goku in the HTC.

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@VinceMenger The Z warriors without picollo wouldve been able to beat the androids of the future after the 3 year training, look at what tien was able to do with 2nd form Cell, come on now.

[@isaaccuevas1717]

Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t yardrat goku already surpass the future androids? Trunks was pretty impressed with him and actually gave him a little hope

[@AndrewAce.]

I don't think the gap between the future androids and the present ones is that massive... But Trunks DID feel like Goku could potentially grow stronger than them if given a chance to survive and train. It seems like Yardrat Goku was stronger than Trunks and F. Gohan at the very least...

[@nobafan7515]

I think piccolo might have a bit more difficulty depending on how much more he trains during the main timeline vs the original. If trunk's warning motivated piccolo to train even more than otherwise, he might only edge out with the fusion.

[@Lordnova85]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@zackschellin4730]

Fully agree Mike! Piccolo can take Future 17 1v1, but it's not likely 18 will just sit there and watch her brother die, so it's likely they'll gang up on him like they do everyone else, in which case he won't be be able to outlast both of them.

[@adrianshephardOP4]

it will just be another Future Gohan moment

[@sideswipe9095]

Hey Laughubgstock, how string do you think SSJ2 Future Trunks (manga) is compared to the Buu Saga. I think he pretty far up there

[@crisstoff89]

I think Piccolo takes it , in the manga 17 says to Gohan that in the previous fight he wasnt even using half of his power , Gohan was somewhat confident that he closed up the gap , too bad he didnt knew. Vegeta is stronger then Future Gohan but present 18 didnt really used too much of her power because the hits werent doing damage and Piccolo is far above Vegeta.

[@hungryalmighty7156]

I think even super Namek piccolo could’ve potentially beaten main time line 17. I know people are gonna say “well they were relative in power and 17 had infinite stamina” that doesn’t change that piccolo is smarter than 17 so he could’ve potentially found a way to beat him

[@gangstagummybear3432]

true that

[@donovanbradford8231]

So I get the argument that Trunks is wrong about a ton of things from his timeline vs the main timeline but given how things play out I don't think he's wrong in the sense that his traveling back in time created a butterfly effect. For instance not just having Android 19, but 16 and even Dr. Gero as an android shows a big shift in events. My thought is that the power if tge main timeline 17 and 18 were so high that when Gero created them not only were they hard to control but he looked at his projections of the Z Fighters in terms of power and realized I don't need 17 and 18 that would be just over kill, so Gero decides to build 19 and modify himself which if our Z Fighters weren't training would have been enough to win. Even 17 and 18 say, "19 so you built him after all" But also given how the fight with Vegeta plays out with 18 Vegeta is stronger than they expected and does much better to the point the other Z Fighters want to jump in but 17 says and is very serious if you do you'll regret it and given how easily he drops Piccolo and Trunks I doubt he was holding back, hence Trunks saying that these androids are stronger than his because he can last longer and I don't think they play out any differently in that the androids start out holding back only to go either through anger or arrogance go full power beat down. So for Super Namekian Piccolo I say he wins it in a similar fashion to how Trunks beat the androids in his timeline powers up to full and catches both 17 and 18 off guard they try to go full power but it just isn't enough because what actually saved 17 in the main timeline was 16 who can read power levels and knew Piccolo is way stronger than last time don't screw around. The Future 17 and 18 would have that intel and would be so overwhelmed that Piccolo would make easy work of them.

[@redzeoranger7718]

SSJ Future Gohan could fight 17 or 18 1v1 and more than likely win as we've seen they teamed up to finish him. By the time Piccolo is a Super Namekian, Goku and Vegeta are far more powerful than SSJ future Gohan, and SSJ Vegeta is still destroyed by 18. Piccolo is able to take on first form cell easy until he consumes cities' worth of humans. So, considering how he did against Cell, he no diffs future 17 easily. Just makes you wonder with how strong the "present" androids are how strong "present" cell would of been had he not been killed off in Gero's lab.

[@andyvanmuilekom7390]

You could also make the argument that f17 was implying that he and 18 foghting together equals their full power and 18 smiling is her catching the hint to team up on this 1 armed hero. But with the freedom to interpret from the manga you can literally make any story work

[@HidanDaniel]

Piccolo stomps and it’s not close. He was around the same level of present Android 17 who was stated to be stronger than his future self. If future Gohan could hold his own as only a super saiyan with one arm missing vs both the androids then Piccolo who was arguably the strongest z fighter at the time vs present 17 definitely wins. Just my two cents

[@anthonywatson1508]

If the Kami fusion made Piccolo go from getting one-shooted by Android 17 to fighting him as an equal how strong would Saiyan Saga Piccolo get with the fusion? Would he be like Final Form Frieza at 50% or something

[@aceclover758]

While I think Future 17 was more powerful than Trunkw thought, I still think the future androids were weaker than their present day counterparts, even both at full power Super Namekian Piccilo likely would’ve easily beaten the future androids like Trunks did

[@GVGINU]

I honestly think this might be a harder fight for Piccolo vs the 17 we know. That's mostly due to future 17 being a bit more ruthless than his present tomeline counterpart. However, I still think Piccolo would come away with the win, especially if he physically disabled future 17. Now the real question that should be asked. Would a theoretical Kami Fused Future Piccolo be able to beat 3 years trained Piccolo before fusing with Kami?

[@codysedillos399]

Please make a video on piccolo vs dabura

[@EndoScorpion]

17 & 18 can't be sensed. Future Gohan trained for over a year to SURPASS what he thought was 17's max strength. Only to be told by 17 that he was using equal to, or less than, half his power during their previous encounter. Trunks wasn't there for that conversation, so was under the same impression that Gohan was about how strong the androids were. 3 years later Trunks thinks he can beat them. Bulma asks Trunks if he thinks he's stronger than Gohan was.... Trunks doesn't answer that, he just reassures himself he can do it this time and rushes off. He got defeated so badly he was surprised he survived. It's clear that Trunks has no idea the true extent of the androids power. But then he claims he can "put up a decent fight against them". Yeah sure.... just like how Vegeta put up a decent fight against 18... but then when things got serious and the androids stopped playing around, the Z-fighters (who were all much stronger than their future counterparts) all got taken out in 2 hits. The only difference between the androids of the future and the present is their attitude. The future ones were far more menacing and willing to kill. They even enjoyed it. The present ones seemed pretty chill and only ever defended themselves. Even when they defended themselves they purposely didn't kill, and told Krillin to hurry up and give them all senzu beans so that they didn't die. Based on this, I'd say either version of 17 would start off the fight holding back, but I think the future 17 would be more likely to fight to kill once he realised how powerful Piccolo was. I don't think present 17 was aiming to kill Piccolo. For this reason alone it could make the fight harder against the future androids. They were far more bloodlusted, and far less patient. I'd still give the win to Piccolo... but only if he played his cards right and fought very strategically. He'd definitely have to separate the androids upand take them out one at a time. The androids can't sense ki either, so it's possible.

[@Zts1436]

What if future trunks stayed in the present timeline after killing frieza and his father to train with goku and the z fighters for the next 3 years for the Androids? Would anything have been different?

[@EndoScorpion]

Future Trunks would've got stronger by having a sparring partner (assuming he didn't try to spar with Vegeta who would've had none of that, just like in the RoSaT). But most importantly he would've learnt more in general, becoming a more conpetent martial artist. This is why I feel he should've gone in the RoSaT with Piccolo. Both would've benefitted from sparring (since Vegeta refused to do so), and Trunk would've learnt a lot from Piccolo. Going in RoSaT with Vegeta actually held Trunks back, and why he made a rookie mistake against Cell.

[@robertbarrows6687]

Future Gohan was either barely on par as Namek Saga Goku or just slightly stronger.

[@paulhiggins6433]

This one is very cut and dry. Trunks stated that main timeline androids are stronger than the ones of his own timeline by a fair degree. Piccolo fought main timeline 17 and was roughly equal in strength, though stamina was an issue. If Piccolo were to have gone to Trunks' future, he would have been able to be the future 17. I don't think it would have been a slaughter like how Trunks took care of them, but it would have been a win.

[@eranshachar9954]

There is a good chance Piccoro has mastered Kaioken in the 3 years gap, as we have seen Kaioken could be invisible. I assume that after the training with K. Kai but before fusion with Nail, his BP is somewhere in the neighborhood 200,000. Or he might have been even closer to 1st form Freeza/slightly higher because Nail was amazed after all. Anyway, funny how you picture Trunks as unreliable. Because I took his statement about the androids power, in compression with his own timeline androids as an undeniable truth. If it's true it means that present Piccoro after fusion with Kami, would wipe the floor with future #17 & 18. To the matter of Kaioken, could be Tenshinhan have used it invisibly as well against Semi-Perfect Cell.

[@CosmicGoku529]

Piccolo only trained on King Kai's planet for around a week. His power level before he died was 3,500. No way did he go from 3,500 to 200,000 in just a few days of not training. Remember he just sat there and meditated for most of the time.

[@eranshachar9954]

@@CosmicGoku529 So if he wasn't a big deal. Why would Nail be so impressed? He had to be a lot stronger than him. Also keep in mind, that even in the anime we don't see everything. In the manga besides the time they are saying hello to Goku, we don't see them again until they are revived. Which include the strongest Namekian in universe 7.

[@jplaya2023]

Assuming the futute androids are weaker maybe but remember this piccolo wasnt training 3 straight years to prepare for said androids so i dunno

[@mikeclark7026]

Gohan’s adopted father stomps…

[@brianrosado2333]

I would say all of them in that panel were not stronger than frieza but probably at least half his power… and just showed up to help if it was needed.

[@JohnnyDominion]

I do believe that Piccolo was definitely on par with 17 but lets fave it 17 had the edge, he just needed to wait him out as he has unlimited stamina, Piccolo was getting tired, injured and would never be able to last. He wanted to destroy the Androids before Cell could absorb them Let's face it despite all his training and fusing, he still couldn't surpass them in power. He was going to lose but he put up a hell of a fight.

[@gangstagummybear3432]

lol

[@adrianshephardOP4]

lol he severely damaged 17, which means he definitely had a chance of taking down 17

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@adrianshephardOP4 Yep

[@mannyswift]

🤔 android 17 would have an edge due to infinite stamina, even though piccolo held his own really well

[@StareachValcin]

If super namekian Piccolo was able to more or less match the stronger main timeline Android 17, I do think that he would win against future Android 17.

[@gangstagummybear3432]

exactly

[@JohnnyDominion]

Future 17 really isn't weaker than his present timeline. Trunks assumes they are but in reality the Androids in the Future were always holding back so they could extend having fun with their favorite victims.

[@playerback7722]

Same with the ones in the main timeline

[@gangstagummybear3432]

"holding back" and double teaming, mfs doing a double teaming hold back, thats new.

[@StareachValcin]

​@@JohnnyDominionSorry, but I strongly and respectfully disagree with your assessment. Future Trunks may not have been able to sense how strong the androids were, but even he's capable of telling how strong the present androids were in comparison to the future androids. Even if the future androids were holding back against Future Trunks, that doesn't mean that the present androids were going all out when they beat future Trunks. The present androids still beat future Trunks easier than their future counterparts, and they clearly weren't going all out when they did so.

[@kylebrandon4556]

I think Android 17 would win by having stamina that doesn't go down

[@endlessvoidvii]

is that Earthbound i see in the background? :)

[@LSMMIKE]

Yes, one of my all time favorite games.

[@vnep5743]

One question that I've never seen brought up is how were 17 and 18 so formidable? Sure, they were made to be stronger than anyone. But they were also punk teenagers/young adults who shouldn't have held up so well. So how did 17 match Piccolo, a very experienced and skilled fighter, blow for blow? Even future Trunks could hold his own one on one to a certain extent, but then that could be explained by his repeated experience against them... Which maybe is why they decided that it was time to off Gohan. Back to the question. Were 17 and 18 put through a training regimen beforehand? Were they fed information similar to the way Cell was? (Sans Neo "I know kung-fu.")

[@tim6454]

I think that'd be the best explanation. They didn't seem to even remember their previous lives. Lapis and lazuli are essentially dead, they even call each other 17 and 18.

[@jplaya2023]

What if goku brought.piccolo a senzu after imperfect cell showed up. Would thst make a difference? A 100% piccolo could have either killed 18 or aided in her and escaping while 16 fought cell

[@tim6454]

If only there were a way he could get there give him the sensu and get back in an instant.

[@jplaya2023]

@@tim6454 now your being a smart ass lol

[@pizzamangran]

Has it ever been discussed why piccolo and Kami didn’t fuse when Frieza was coming? They didn’t know trunks was coming. And at the time they didn’t know goku could come either They must have known none of them could defeat Frieza. So what was the plan? A fused piccolo would have easily won that fight

[@hiddenmarco]

This should be pretty cut n dry tbh piccolo was even with a present android who was stated to be stronger than their future counterparts and present 17 even shit himself when he saw piccolos ultimate attack so i think its pretty safe to say piccolo slathers this 17 in his nut grease

[@gangstagummybear3432]

exactly

[@everettjohnson9374]

Except they weren't stronger, trunks was just wrong

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@everettjohnson9374 Lol, the current androids didnt have to double team people, and beat z warriors that had 3 years of additional training than the ones in the past, vegeta even had 500 times gravity to train in, yes the current ones were stronger by alot, Trunks fired a blast at them that they didnt even see coming and they were standing there as if nothing happened, it took both of the future androids to beat a one armed gohan that never trained in gravity, and they needed a strategy at that, sorry man, they are trash compared to the actual timeline androids, they are at best 19 and 20 levels of power.

[@brad2881]

⁠@@gangstagummybear3432Trunks fired the same blast at the future androids in the History of Trunks special and it was equally ineffective. You already know that the manga future androids were massively holding back in their fights but you still keep making the same, awful arguments. Just stop. Or are you just going to chase clout by offering to live debate Mike again?

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@brad2881 "equally ineffective" lol, why didnt trunks ever break his sword until he attempted to sneak 18, then literally broke the sh1t on his arm? come on now, the way the blast was used on the androids was 2 different things kid, the androids were totally ready in the future to get hit by the blast, they nearly killed trunks, 18 had the holding capsule of 16 suspended in the air, and didnt get a single scratch, they werent even paying attention to the blast, thats a stronger showing, the blast trunks shot at them was literally like a gust of blowing wind, at the very least, the androids in the future had to brace for impact, that is an enormous difference, Trunks was probably stronger in the fight vs the present androids being that they nearly killed him, he should have gotten a huge zenkai. You bums keep using the "only used 50%" lol, there is a good chance that is all the current androids used on the z warriors, especially since 17 was still able to match picollo even after the 3 years of training, and the fusion, these androids of the current time never even thought about jumping any z warriors, even 17 vs picollo, they didnt try to jump him, the shitty future androids would have, why? Because they are hot trash compared to the power of the current androids, thats the only fact you need to know.

[@geethamadhuri4.033]

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[@geethamadhuri4.033]

(Picolo+Kami) is best 🔥.!

[@SamboZoro]

Piccolo would have won. Trunks was able to somewhat fight back against his Androids, and after visiting the past and returning years later, he would have been naturally stronger. Present Android 17 beat Trunks with 1 shot. Vegeta put up a good fight against 18 which demonstrated the difference between Trunks power and Vegetas. Piccolo became much stronger than Vegeta and was already relative to Trunks before fusion. If Piccolo fought 17, he could have probably also beaten 18 as I believe at this point Future Gohan is weaker than Vegeta and Piccolo is stronger than both

[@EnoYaka]

Piccolo light grenades and defeats 17

[@IcZ2013]

Even Present Vegeta who trained 3 years in the main timeline can beat Future Android 17 with some struggles. If Vegeta can, so can the Super Namekian. Tada. Vegeta was little over a billion, Future Android 17 was close to 900,000,000

[@gangstagummybear3432]

yep

[@everettjohnson9374]

Those power levels are all bs lol

[@anthonymurchison8035]

Stop it

[@IcZ2013]

It’s funny how you all did not get the point that Piccolo is stronger. Regards.

[@anthonymurchison8035]

@@IcZ2013 hush please

[@user-mh5cj8lw2j]

I think piccolo would have won against future but it would have been a fight

[@geethamadhuri4.033]

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[@tevincollins2869]

I disagree but I like your content should team up with six or geekdom

[@LSMMIKE]

I've been making videos with Geekdom longer than anyone else on the platform.

[@brad2881]

@@LSMMIKEbut you don’t get condescending with your videos and views like Danny has a tendency to do so. You both have vast knowledge but you’re infinitely more likable

[@Darkmetamorphosis1]

piccolo, easy, in 1 hit, the new androids in super hero are like 5 times stronger than 17 and piccolo literally one shot them, if he turns orange 17 is history also

[@HNamekIC]

17 would beat trunks timeline 17

[@DragonClapTV]

Literally 😂

[@playerback7722]

Agreed

[@LoonyBinsTV]

Piccolo by landslide.

[@khartog01]

The fuck is a Kami?

[@ShonenGoon]

Piccolo fought well but 17 would win due to infinite stamina

[@theworldisimmense]

My view means a lot since I got KZbin premium

[@ae_sko88]

Suicide *** mission.

[@trivium009]

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