Super Saiyan 3 - The Worst Super Saiyan Form (Dragon Ball Z)

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Super Saiyan 3 sucks. I said it - the form is bad and for a number of reasons all of which I’ll cover in this video. I’ve been critical of Super Saiyan 3 for a long time, and a lot of people have wondered why since I made my transformation tier list and placed the form at the bottom so here’s that explanation.
After watching the video feel free to leave any and all counter points in the comments below - I love a good discussion.
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[@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970]

Ooooh boy you better have a damn good argument here because you already pissed off over a thousand people in the first five seconds.

[@CarthusDojo]

Read the comments my dude a lot of people agree lol

[@user-fo1ow1jq3b]

@@CarthusDojo And some don't agree and I'm sure many more that won't see this video.

[@dragonslight4531]

n I like SSJ3

[@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970]

@@CarthusDojo Im not saying that people aren't agreeing with you,i just mean you probably pissed off a lot of people who don't like others with a different opinion.

[@LiveLife91]

PERFECT ARGUMENT!

[@quandaledingle5567]

But does any other form have no eyebrows? I think not. Edit: In the anime tho????? Hehe

[@seasoned8273]

It looks cool tho

[@quandaledingle5567]

Seasoned that’s my point

[@TheVarrio]

Golden Frieza

[@lordscrubugus9897]

**menacing**

[@quandaledingle5567]

Lord Scrubugus do that be the reference of jojo? Hmmmmm

[@knivesmillions2913]

To this day Super Saiyan 4 has the best design in my opinion.

[@filipefigueiredo9847]

To a certain degree, yes SSJ4 in my opinion should have been golden (both the fur and the hair), instead of red/ pink, since it evolves from the golden oozaru That way it would have been perfect (if you take the magical pants out of the equation in GT) Anyway, have a great day man

[@sadiqshehu4524]

@@filipefigueiredo9847 I understand your logic, but aesthetically it would just look like a furry Super Saiyan. If we can accept human-looking Goku transforming into a raging Golden Oozaru, then the red and black themes make sense too. Its like all his rage is on the outside now

[@filipefigueiredo9847]

@@sadiqshehu4524 yeah, your rationale makes a lot of sense, now that I'm thinking from your perspective (sorry for the bad English, it's not my main language and I'm a bit tipsy, therefore I might fuck it up here and there) Thanks for your input man, have a great day

[@kylewest4044]

I think it's just too much

[@foursxore8284]

Knives Millions same

[@vickknewzeus7443]

I love SSJ3 but I hate the fact that they made it so useless. Like it drains energy quickly. That sucks.

[@kodegunz9223]

Vick KnewZeus Goku said he didn’t master it or even train with it often. I’m pretty sure if it was trained with or even mastered it would’ve been like full power super saiyan.

[@codyrogers1011]

@@kodegunz9223 yea agreed, once he mastered ssj3 he could control it more. But yea i think that makes it cooler because it makes the form rare

[@princeoftacs6961]

Cumber mastered it

[@aymanejohri2652]

Imagine SSJ 3 combined with God Ki; Super Saiyan Blue 3

[@mario125ww]

@@kodegunz9223 you can't master ssj 3. The point of ssj 3 is to turn your life energy into power. This is why vegeta never learned it. You have to be dead just to even unlock it. It's a very sloppy technique and mastering ssj gives the same effect as using ssj 3

[@keithkeller4546]

There's nothing wrong with SS3, just the writing surrounding it (which the Buu arch suffers from in general)

[@CarthusDojo]

The poor writing of the form itself makes the form suck lol

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Not to mention its just not useful due to the high energy drain.

[@Matthew-ls7rv]

@@CarthusDojo nope lol

[@Matthew-ls7rv]

@@patorr69 not really no

[@Saint0999]

Keith Keller buu arc doesn’t suffer from too much writing issues. Y’all just say that Bc it’s not carbon copy of the other sagas which were popular like always. Buu arc one of the best arc. For characters. Events and fan service. Writing is pretty good too

[@TienChad]

Not gonna lie I love this form when I first saw it I thought it was some Evil Goku's Super Saiyan it reminded me of a villain with his brows and all.

[@seasoned8273]

With that iconic transformation

[@TheAwsomeManny]

BOY YOU SUCH A GOD DAMN NOOB TO DRAGON BALL THAT YOU DIDNT EVEN KNOW THAT SSJ3 HAS NO EYEBROWS

[@escovedo37]

@@TheAwsomeManny when he saw it he might have not known that super Saiyan 3 had no eyebrows so don't call him a noob

[@filipefigueiredo9847]

@@escovedo37 there's always gonna be some keyboard warrior fuckwit talking shit from his mother's basement in the DragonBall community, let it go Anyway, have a great day man

[@zoldstarconsultingltd.1335]

You know ssj3 has no eyebrows. (Also Goku can use it because everyone has lend there hair to him and gotenks is just lucky or unlucky)

[@natekidboxdbz9809]

I don't care what people say i like ssj3

[@yamiimax]

Well its still useless in the boo Saga the Worst Saga it started good But it gets more silly after the midpart...

[@ctts9946]

@@yamiimax buy saga was great for a lot of people

[@armandovaldovinos2891]

yamiimax well super ssj God is useless too kalefal was kicking gokus ass in basr

[@JonathanPerez-qg3lz]

It only sucks cause what super has made out of it

[@KrypticX27]

Jonathan Perez so SSJ3 is just bad because of what Z did to it

[@MAMAJUGO]

The biggest issue I have with SS3 is that it gave birth to endless DBZ parodies where your hair grows proportional to your power up

[@bryanmercado5337]

Carthu: Ssj3 is the worst form Ssj grade 3: Am I a joke to you?

[@CarthusDojo]

SS Grade 3 actually was MADE to be bad. They never pretended it was so amazing (like they do for SS3).

[@Its_Shio]

@@CarthusDojo Except they really don't. Vegeta is angry Goku doesn't use it in their fight, and Goten and Trunks idolize it because they're children, but the reason Vegeta doesn't learn it after the Buu saga is because he sees how pointless the form is. No one, including Goku after he achieves Super Saiyan God, thinks the form is useful unless they've never seen it before.

[@kanyerahming]

@@Its_Shio except caulifla. she thinks she wants it.

[@IIIISai]

@@kanyerahming bro shes gonna go mui, next season

[@kanyerahming]

@@IIIISai lol

[@SK-kz5yx]

tfw SSJ3's best implementation in Dragon Ball was GT just to get replaced by SSJ4...you know whats your opinion on SSJ4 i would definitely like to hear it.

[@bluephenix1019]

Superknuckles36 its the form with the best designed

[@jameswebb2759]

You know a transformation is bad when its primary uses were buying time and almost becoming as strong as the villain

[@salt4795]

Kaiser Weeb ewww no that would look gay asf

[@GANGSTARSWAGS]

@Kaiser Weeb how is it fan art of a ssj5 when it came out before ssj5 even existed...I would prefer a over designed character that actually looks cool and edgy and finishes opponents off unlike the recolored SSB that loses almost every fight

[@warrickjames7527]

SS4 is actually based on the saiyans origin and primal instinct being MASTERED. It's the truest Saiyan form outside of the original(golden haired) SSJ. Has the most accurate and true to Saiyan lore backstory as well

[@Zenith8896]

*Goku:* I had to use Super Saiyan 3 in order for Toei Animation to sell more toys. >_> I had no choice

[@twistsnkicks]

LOL

[@anidiot4992]

Sounds about right.

[@TienChad]

I love the thick vigorous yellow eyebrows on the form

[@zakskingdomm]

Sun Wukong wait umm I’m not trying to get wooshed so I’m not gonna say anything

[@crippledgenes_1721]

@@zakskingdomm good thing you didnt say anything

[@mysingingmike8629]

Why would u even answer

[@X-EN7171]

r/wooosh

[@orochi-mo9987]

@Louie r/woosh

[@najeebshah.]

It didn't suck in gt. 3 was fine and a huge power boost and could have beaten buu, goku just dicked around, its not the forms fault, it's goku's

[@BIadelores]

That's not the point of the video the poitn is the form wasn't useful, if you wanna use that logic then nothing is goku's fault it's all fault of Toriyama because he's the writer. Yeah no shit it's Toriyama's fault but that's not the point.

[@chainedscythe2000]

Bladelores You are a fucking moron. You’re comparison makes no fucking sense. The dude literally said he could have beaten Kid Buu using SSJ3 while at full strength but he wanted to give Vegeta a turn to fight aswell. Or something like that. Point is the form was sufficient but Goku’s actions chose otherwise. That in no way makes SSJ3 a bad or useless transformation. Thats like saying Gohans SSJ2 transformation was useless because he toyed around with Cell rather than killing him outright which resulted in Goku’s death and almost the entire planets destruction. It was a choice.

[@MrPixel_]

@@chainedscythe2000 I thought he said that SSJ3 was enough to defeat fat buu during their first fight but he wanted to prepare the kids to be able to defend the Earth since he wouldn't be around (which is still stupid considering that's all null with super...)

[@chainedscythe2000]

Mr. Pixel No, I remember him saying it to Vegeta during his fight with Kid Buu on the Kai’s world. Would be nice if you checked though as I only ever watched DBZ once in the English dub (binged it actually) and its been 5 or more years since then.

[@chilly456]

@@chainedscythe2000 I've seen it more recently, and here's what I remember: Goku says his ssj3 could beat Fat Buu, but he wanted to teach Goten and Trunks fusion to defend the planet and all that stuff. So, he didn't kill Fat Buu. Later on in the arc, he gets cocky when fighting Kid Buu, comparing him to Fat Buu believing he would have an easy time in ssj3, underestimating him and saying he could fight Buu alone. He realizes during the fight with Kid Buu that he was wrong, and used up a lot of energy. This made Goku really weak later on in the fight because, you know, he didn't have the energy to transform to even a basic ssj. Afterwards the Spirit Bomb thing happens with Vegeta holding Buu off.

[@BrianAwesome]

SSJ3 could have been aLOT more useful, if it was mastered like how SSJ1 was in the HBTC.

[@alxmedina4592]

I always believed this. Mastered ssj3 would be beast.

[@legendssj9819]

Super saiyan 3 is like the kaioken you just got to get the job done quickly.

[@WilL-DaNG]

but kaioken improves everything while damaging you the ssj3 literally started to have too much muscle and too slow for the fights now but yes it would suck to get hit by it

[@christiancinnabars1402]

No Name Mcgee That’s SSJ grade 3 you’re talking about. SSJ3 never had any speed issues whatsoever.

[@legendssj9819]

@@christiancinnabars1402 yep

[@WilL-DaNG]

okay

[@laststrike4411]

When has the Kaio Ken EVER gotten a main villain beat?

[@CyanPrince]

One thing that makes me dislike it as well is that it makes SS2 feel less special. When introduced, SS2 could be seen as the complete mastery and evolution of the Super Saiyan power, as it seems to have required getting used to SS1's energy usage before achieving it (at least as seen for Goku and Gohan), but then SS3 enters the picture and just kinda makes SS2 the awkward middle man.

[@leyzertopel1570]

Totally agree, Super Saiyan 3 completely recontextualizes Super Saiyan 2. Before Super Saiyan 2 (Which was called an ascended Super Saiyan) was seen as the pinnacle of what a Super Saiyan should be and it came with pretty much no strings attached. Once SSJ3 comes around it makes Super Saiyan 2 into a different form to SSJ which I don't think works

[@doliteair]

Toriyama was just drawing super Saiyan 3 like Tori:"hmm it's gonna take forever to draw all this hair, I'll make this form useless" lmao

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Super Uub, I could actually see Toriyama’s logic behind why he made that form useless.

[@afrowarrior102]

I agreed with everything you said man. I preferred SSJ2 over SSJ3. In my opinion SSJ4 had the best design. It made the trails relevant again and I really liked the dark fur, keeping the hair black, and changing the eyes. Goku and Vegeta looked more intimidating and badass.

[@WilL-DaNG]

yeah but gods tho

[@iroseart3369]

I feel like in another lifetime the design SSJ4 should've been the next stage of a saiyan. Where SSJ2, is a mastery of SSJ, the SSJ4 is a different pathway in itself

[@Wizofmincraft]

@kvacedo273 “Boring recolors” I mean the god forms have a different aura style along with ssg making the user skinnier but okay

[@juicywhiteman5850]

Sean Schemmel screamed his god damn heart out for this scene so while I do agree its a kinda dumb afterthought the scene it gave us made childhood even more epic

[@superawesomemusician8712]

Carthu: Super Saiyan 3, the worst Super Saiyan transformation Super Saiyan grade 3: Was literally used to reel Vegeta in because of how useless it is

[@zurku_xeno]

SuperAwesomeMusician SS Rage: Nothing But an asspull & sell more merchandise

[@-E-s-o]

SSJB: Pretty much fan service

[@zurku_xeno]

StoryFell!Chara terrible one tho

[@-E-s-o]

@@zurku_xeno Yea. because it's literally just giving SSJ a skin. xD

[@zurku_xeno]

StoryFell!Chara Yeah

[@crabcakes448]

The logic of the Buu saga in general is to blame here, not necessarily the form. The form is badass.

[@uhuh.2232]

Badass doesn’t equal good. And there wasn’t any build up to it be just kind of pulled it out of his asshole

[@theatlantean8036]

Badass doesnt equal good

[@crabcakes448]

@@theatlantean8036 This was 4 years ago. Was so amused by this I had to reply haha. Absolutely pointless compared to what I said. Rule of cool will always win for me.

[@Cross-kd5xb]

​​@@crabcakes448"cool for me" =/= "well written" The form is objectively bad. You can like objectively lazy written forms, that doesn't mean that ssj3 isn't useless, came out of nowhere, had 0 develop and doesn't make sense

[@crabcakes448]

@@Cross-kd5xb Objectively bad? Since when were you the foremost authority in what is objectively bad? Please.

[@veemon9009]

Goku: *Goes super saiyan 3* Goku: Alright let's do this. Villain: Bro your form's already depleted. Goku: wtf hacks

[@fireeer7997]

HAHAHA You got like bec you have perfect avatar.

[@fireeer7997]

@Joseph Williams i say this to crack destroyer

[@fireeer7997]

@Joseph Williams you avatar is cool too.

[@fireeer7997]

@Joseph Williams you must change name on google

[@JaredOviawe]

I have the best avatar 😎

[@sakuyauchiha158]

At least it ain’t as bad as the buff grade 2 or 3 form

[@CarthusDojo]

Grade 2 is better than SS3 but Grade 3 is probably just as bad

[@jediahstewart9875]

@@CarthusDojo wassup Carthu

[@Matthew-ls7rv]

@@CarthusDojo wack

[@MAR-sc7np]

@@Matthew-ls7rv it's TRUE tho ss grade 2 looks bad ass when vegeta is using it

[@Matthew-ls7rv]

@@MAR-sc7np eh

[@Quibblies]

I was always confused about how Goku had used super saiyan 3 before, presumably, but no one sensed it on earth, but vegeta is able to sense it in otherworld. Like, had he ever used it, wouldnt have everyone sensed it?

[@dweller132]

You'd figure that'd be the case, but nope. It would make sense with Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, but not a regular form like SS3.

[@shadyreck8367]

My head canon is that Ssj3 is actually just SSJ2 Grade 3

[@anidiot4992]

Wouldn't that just be SSJ grade 8? SSJ2 is grade 5.

[@amon__7187]

Wtf? What does that even mean?

[@TjarpDex]

Given that the form has a MASSIVE drain on your stamina the only use I can see is if you quickly power up while charging a ki blast or beam to get that extra OOMF but then you immediately power back down to SSJ 2 after the blast/beam.

[@Spidermanfan4]

same

[@AntiUni417]

According to hyourinjutsu, There was a vid where he said staying in ssj3 would master 20% of ssj3 but you need the Saipan TAIL to master the other 80% which i agree with and is actually pretty agreeable as you need a tail to even access ssj4 and ssj3 is like a weaker version of it, i dare say incomplete but back to my point, ssj 3 is rad and it doesn’t really matter what your opinion is on it. After all it is your opinion, and we cant change it. Can I get an Amen?

[@WilL-DaNG]

Amen

[@AntiUni417]

Super Dupper I say weaker because its incomplete

[@WilL-DaNG]

@@AntiUni417 +1

[@Hatchiyack247]

Amen

[@nerdmakessillymovies]

Amen

[@turankusu8068]

I wished they would make a way to power up SSJ3 with no KI Loss that would be much better in my opinion

[@LicenciadoLoui]

Well, this is where GT shines

[@-E-s-o]

GT: Aaand finally my day has arrived to shine.

[@user-fo1ow1jq3b]

I'd like to see an arc where goku, vegeta and friends, due to plot, end up in a realm where they can't use their God powers so they result in using ssj 3 for goku and ssj 2 for vegeta. At the end of the arc goku and vegeta are beaten and unable to move due to the antagonist being too much for them. Then vegeta thinking about his pride slowly stands up and says "I can't believe you've pushed me to use this GOD FORSAKEN FORM! AAAAAAARGH!!!" A white flash slowly fades as Ssj 3 vegeta is revealed... This was in my head and I needed to post it somewhere.

[@ashblack8548]

This hits at what i thought i read in the manga or saw in the anime, but it was my understanding that vegeta could go ss3 now but he chooses not to because of the power consumption and stamina. Same reason he doesn't like using the bulked up muscular forms that slow you down.

[@user-fo1ow1jq3b]

@@ashblack8548 yeah I read that too. That's why I said "pushed me to use this GODFORSAKEN FORM" In reference to him not liking the form. This is just how I'd like to see them do it if they ever will as ssj 3 is now obviously redundant in comparison to blue.

[@Kaiden_Has_a_Youtube]

Also the reason why SSJ3 has that neanderthal brow is (from what I've heard) because it's meant to be a bit more primal looking, that's also the reason why SSJ4 is covered in fur, speaking of SSJ4, I know you have complaints about SSJ4 having clothes materialize out of thin air but you need to realize that the designer behind SSJ4 had to do that otherwise if we saw SSJ4 we'd be looking at a nude Goku and Vegeta covered in fur, I don't know about you but I'd rather have the clothes materialize out of thin air than seeing the "full show" of an SSJ4

[@cake6851]

I never understood why the magic cloths of ssj4 was an issue. Piccolo can shoot cloths out of his fucking fingers

[@Ando1428]

@@cake6851 yeah but its part of the transformation. So its kind of dumb. Plus goku and vegeta have never materialized clothes. I mean saying because piccolo can do it means the others can do it isnt right.

[@Kaiden_Has_a_Youtube]

Still I prefer the clothes magically appearing rather than having to see a nude SSJ4 on the screen

[@Ando1428]

@@Kaiden_Has_a_KZbin and we just would rather not have a munchkin goku. There problem solved.

[@Kaiden_Has_a_Youtube]

I'm still confused why then went with the decision to make Goku a child again, that was stupid

[@MrFusion]

Super Saiyan 3 sucks Dragon Ball community: *Impossible*

[@Sword_Man_YT]

I completely understand what you are saying Carthu, Goku literally lied to everyone about being able to kill Buu

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Joseph Williams He did though, he had plenty of time. Plus he kept saying I can't, I don't have enough power even though he did

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Joseph Williams Exactly

[@geyaneya1498]

He told Piccolo he could, but he wanted to let the new generation handle it.

[@brandonontama2415]

@@geyaneya1498 Which failed lol.

[@wanilimbe]

But yet the best looking form

[@CarthusDojo]

Ehhhhhh

[@notarmani2347]

ClassicDBZ Fan Oh Jesus no.

[@morpheus8128]

Lol

[@morpheus8128]

Baki Ryuskaue so true

[@wanilimbe]

Carthu’s Dojo No denying that what you said in the video is true, but this and ssj4 holds a special place in my heart. But thanks for replying. It really shiws how much you enjoy your fans

[@extremelyvividcardgames7890]

I lowkey wana see Caulifla get SSJ3. Maybe the universe 6 saiyans will be able to bring out the full potential of the form.

[@pizzacrumbles]

That's a good idea funimation you know what to do

[@zurku_xeno]

Brendan Catheray NO!

[@extremelyvividcardgames7890]

Why though? She's probably capable of doing it, plus she's gone through the other 2 forms so why not just give her 3 for shits n gigs? 😂

[@trainmaster997]

Well she needs to be able to earn it. Haven’t watched the T.O.P. but I know about the stupid tingly back stuff and I’ve heard that she didn’t earn ssj2 either. If I’m wrong about ssj2 then feel free to correct me.

[@extremelyvividcardgames7890]

@@trainmaster997 nah you're more or less right about both SSJ1 and SSJ2 😂 But that's what I'm trying to say though, we could have a story arc where Goku and Vegeta come to universe 6, and Goku trains Caulifla and Kale, and during an intense battle with the arc's main villain she could tap into it.

[@Chironofolympus]

Super saiyan 4 is a much more stable transformation than super saiyan 3 if you go 3 turn god or 4

[@arestk7007]

Kyren super saiyan 4 isn’t cannon

[@alephnull423]

@@arestk7007 no shit sherlock

[@vovabars1234]

Ok im 5 seconds in and im already pissed off

[@Grandma419]

“How could you say something so controversial yet so brave?” I like the style of the form, but yea it is kind of trash

[@michaeltilleman8474]

I'm glad someone finally talked about how weird this form is aesthetically. I guess it ultimately comes down to personal preference, but I also have never liked how this form looks. No eyebrows? Super long hair like Raditz? And by what mechanism do the eyebrows disappear and reappear? Similarly, how does the hair just grow and then shorten? And why the obsession with removing eyebrows (as seen again Vegeta's Ultra Ego form)? There's a reason human beings have eyebrows.

[@chrisblanc663]

Yeah, it’s almost like it’s a transformation or something…. That’s like complaining that frieza lost his horns after progressive transformations, or Zarbon lost his smooth skin when he transformed… I like to think that ss3 pulls the hairs from the rest of the body, like eyebrows, leg hairs etc, and uses the combined length at the top of his head. 😖

[@the_enderslayer]

The thing about Goku wanting to end things quickly, I was always under the impression that since it took several minutes to charge up to that form to begin with, it would not have been quick, since I highly doubt Vegeta would've let him even do that at that point.

[@damianodidomenico4756]

I always thought the form had something to do with Space and Time, particularly Time, since Goku seems was able to achieve it in Heaven, when he's not subjected to the rules of time anymore, and to use it easily while he's dead. Gotenks also learns it in a place where Time is completely different and he uses it to create whole through the dimensions.

[@shadowandluigifan]

I like ssj3, but i agree that is has been severely underutilized. How can we appreciate it if it doesn't have any notable feats

[@KrypticX27]

The moment you realize SSGSS and SSJ2 are just lazy transformations and you bully SSJ3

[@Si1entKi11a24]

It was great on Gohan, but that’s only because you can tell immediately what form he’s in since his hair doesn’t spike up in the normal Super Saiyan form. It’s hard to tell what form Goku and Vegeta are in unless you specifically look for the lightning in the aura and occasionally depending on the art, how spiked up it is

[@SirIron23]

How is 2 lazy? Besides goku and Vegeta getting it.

[@SirIron23]

@@Si1entKi11a24 wdym its pretty easy to tell with goku because he has one bang in the middle and then two on each side.

[@red-hoodie.007]

Ur talking shit about SUPER SAIYAN 2!?

[@clover4522]

AB It's only really bad looking on Vegeta because the hair doesn't change. With Goku, Gohan (both adult and Cell Saga), and Trunks you can easily tell the difference between SSJ1 and 2.

[@hakaimaster1563]

Me(Before watching the video): Does carthu mean narratively, or usefulness. Carthu: BOTH

[@MackV99]

SSJ3 was one of my favorite transformations

[@JeremyB8419]

It’s the tri-beam version of forms.

[@s-boy4613]

Carthu: Super Saiyan 3 is the worst form Ultra Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan Grade 3: Am I a joke to you?

[@hoshiryu]

2:06 is where i stopped But you have to think about it this way ss3 was created by toriyama after he thought of the fusion technique soooo it just happened also goku always lies even in super Let's use full power no holding back (against frost) *turns ssj not blue*

[@revolvingworld2676]

DMG Mana Saying bad writing happens all the time in DBZ doesn't excuse when the bad writing happens in DBZ

[@hoshiryu]

@@revolvingworld2676 i'm not saying it's good i know it sucks but honestly ss3 was created after the majin fight sooo you can't just say it sucks because goku just pulled it outta his ass but it's still far away from being my favorite form

[@linkfan6555]

Super saiyan 3 is awesome i don’t understand the hate that dragon ball super seems to have brought it.

[@Dallen12378]

tyriek craddock it’s not the form’s fault, it’s the writer’s fault.

[@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225]

@JackMaster 01 The difference is that grade 3 was used once and thrown away because it was bad. Super Saiyan 3 was bad and used constantly until God ki came.

[@skatemo100]

You can’t tell me that SSJ3 Goku vs Majin Buu and Kid Buu aren’t one of the most badass fights in Dragon Ball history.

[@laststrike4411]

@@skatemo100 People actually remember those fights?

[@neko-chan5593]

Long story short ssj 3 “couldve” been very useful and it is very powerful just wasn’t used in a way that the form made a difference even tho it should’ve

[@fuadab1788]

How it can make anything when Akira thought Super Saiyan 2 was the one with long hair?

[@TheDbzthedgehog]

I thought the reason Goku didn't go SSJ3 against Vegeta so he wouldn't hurt his pride. Him holding out until the last minute when buu is finally active, it shows it's a last ditch effort that he wanted to save for the worst possible scenario, as his time limit would be cut short. I mean, he was right about that...

[@r1ckastleyhehe651]

But the first transformation is legendary

[@Kiara_Wrestler]

I like how you presented this. You acknowledge which parts are grounded in reasoning (re: fitting into the narrative) and were happy to admit some of it is just personal taste (aesthetics). I like well balanced videos like this. Also... Yea it's super ugly I agree 😂

[@JT-km6th]

Soooo, the writing the arc is bad, we both agree. So why is SSJ3 bad?

[@SirIron23]

Watch the video

[@cardboard_hat]

@@SirIron23 nice

[@danegelles5241]

I'd like to add in your favor Carthu that when Future Trunks asked Vegeta about the form, Vegeta just laughed in his face

[@Thuazabi]

Most of the problems with SSJ3 can be applied to the Buu Saga in general. I will forever maintain that it logically should have ended with the Cell Saga and Gohan becoming the savior of the Earth. But Toriyama has massive ADD and questionable writing. It would be really nice if he could rewrite everything from Buu onward with the same passion, clarity and narrative strength that he displayed with DBS: Broly - which I personally feel is some of the best writing he's ever done.

[@thegungerbrospodcast7671]

Well he did rewrite the episode of bardock and look how that turned out

[@RisingFist]

A very balanced discussion. Really enjoyed this!

[@lol0ajo]

super saiyan 3: this is worst transformation super saiyan god super saiyan: hold my beer

[@kanyerahming]

ssb isn't bad, it was how it was used that suffered

[@kevinyohe502]

I love your vids I also want to ask when is the giveaway for dragon ball z kakorot

[@MattyVice]

It isn’t a good transformation but it’s easily the most bad ass transformation

[@harrymilward7813]

@Carthus Dojo you should do what if goku escaped to vampa after namek explosion

[@ssjcrafter8842]

He already did

[@r2dapro]

Muffins

[@Kaiden_Has_a_Youtube]

The buu saga was a mess and SSJ3 wasn't well written so it didn't really get a chance to shine, not to mention the only two people to attain SSJ3 didn't really have good experience with it and couldn't use it to it's full potential, Goku didn't get much practice with it and Gotenks only uses to show off. In the end the mishandled buu saga made SSJ3 a pretty poorly written transformation, but because of how little was put in to the writing of SSJ3 than gives fans and fan manga creators and the Dragon Ball community as a whole a lot of room to fix, add on and improve SSJ3 in different ways.

[@markss367]

Goku by his addmition says that he learned the form recently and didnt master it, plus he can only hold it properly when he was dead only.

[@Kaiden_Has_a_Youtube]

That's literally what I meant by saying he doesn't have good experience with it

[@markss367]

@@Kaiden_Has_a_KZbin yea or not enough.

[@Kaiden_Has_a_Youtube]

That's what not having good experience means, it's means you don't have enough experience

[@markss367]

@@Kaiden_Has_a_KZbin yea missunderstood.

[@NikkrisMusic]

Uhhmmm who animated that intro if you don’t mind me asking? I need one like that 😆

[@mavikartal7775]

Carthu:SSJ3 is the worst transformation Grades:Hold my b... Carthu:in DBZ Grades:Nevermind

[@user-zd5lx8jg7z]

It. Could have been so much better but it does look coolest

[@thecoolestchanneleveronthe6828]

I love you videos good job keep up the good work

[@TaijituTaikyokuzu]

I remember when I was a kid and I first saw the form in an ad or something, I thought it was supposed to be Raditz having gone regular super saiyan.

[@khalidabubaker7891]

Hey Carthu I'ma HUGE fan of your channel so would you mind if I used your characters on Amino, please?

[@spaceshipgozooooom5646]

SSJ3 will always be my favorite. SSj God is second

[@ultimate.tobi.3609]

SSJ Blue is my personal favorite

[@RobinSwede]

I wish toriyama hadn't scrapped the idea of ssj3 bringing back the tail

[@sharakujr.khalil9043]

Then maybe ssj4 would have been a thing.

[@Lapran3]

What tune did you use for the video?

[@rx7.teykhan683]

Gotenks made ssj3 significantly worse, he looks like super sonic on cannabis

[@memekidfriends9751]

Coolio I understand

[@Dan_van_dam]

“It looks so cool but it’s so god damn dumb”

[@suni070]

Average Anomaly I read this in vegetas voice for some reason

[@freeloader9000]

I think SS3 is canonically a bottom-tier transformation cause it was explained (somewhere) that the form takes up way too much energy and a fully mastered SS1 was equivalent if not better in power to SS3. Don't quote me on this, though.

[@desertsandfly2277]

Super Saiyan 3 is the embodiment of "don't judge a book by its cover." Because we all saw how cool and badass it looked but then the form turns out useless because of the stamina drain. That might be the reason why we never saw SSJ3 vegeta because he knew it's useless.

[@elijahblast7548]

As soon as I saw Super Saiyan 3 I immediately thought “Dear God what would happen if Raditz turned into this”

[@GorshFlytgear]

Elijah Blast Super Rapunzel Saiyan!

[@Saint0999]

Elijah Blast it’d just be like his normal ssj

[@zeshanarmstrong7774]

What’s your favorite form then? ( I personally love the look of ssjgod

[@CarthusDojo]

Super Saiyan God is my favorite

[@zeshanarmstrong7774]

Carthu’s Dojo you should talk about how they could have done the form better in super because after battle of gods they made the form obsolete. There was so much potential and they just made blue the default form

[@someguythatusestheinternet7810]

Ssj God is the best form: stronger and faster then Ssj 4, 2nd minimal energy consumption transformation behind ssj4, simple but good design.

[@tippy1731]

@@CarthusDojo And yet, it causes way more narrative issues then Super Saiyan 3 ever did. Both in its own arc and for the rest of Super.

[@HistoryandReviews]

Its like they introduce forms and the next season they become invalid Because a new form is unlocked. Kaioken (not a transformation i know) then gets overshadowed by Super Saiyan Then super Saiyan gets overshadowed by Super Saiyan 2, then 2 is overshadowed by SS3. You never see these forms anymore when the new form comes into play

[@JoelsCreed141]

You’d think that after all this time Goku would’ve masteredthe form or practiced it to where it wouldn’t drain his energy as much as it does

[@jacetheinktoling]

Wow.....just wow.....I'm very mad now.... SSJ3 feels like the best form for me.

[@goldenlight3403]

SSJ3 was not used very well

[@TheMexicanKiwi]

One of the theories I heard was that the form was abandoned because it was too much to draw all that hair for the artists. Kinda like how he made super saiyan blonde so he didn't have to fill in the hair black anymore 😅

[@Sabre_07]

You forgot to mention that Trunks mastered/perfected ssj2 in the manga which put him on par or even slightly above ssj3 Goku, hence why he needed god to beat him. Another reason against ssj3 and for ssj2. That always makes me wondering if you could do the same with ssj3

[@ybgkrazy]

Me:(reading title)thats not true Me:(after looking at full video)thats so true

[@ninksart]

Why you traitor!

[@Nickagevscapcom]

Dude, worst saiyan forms are god forms, they always get bodied and the design is so lame.

[@y2jeilani7]

Ultra instinct looks boss tho

[@squintyeyedkidjr9625]

It can be a good transformation because if goku masters it then it’s going to be really op, Goku mastered ssj by staying in that form, Goku and vegeta mastered ssjb in the manga, Goku mastered ssjb by trapping the ki that was flowing out of his body and put that ki into his body, that grants goku more power to use and he’s stronger, so if goku can master ssj3 like he did with blue then it’ll be a useful transformation

[@dragonknight1560]

Even Vegeta calls the form useless which is why he improved Super Saiyan 2 to be in the same level as 3, in a way.

[@clover4522]

I much prefer Super Saiyan 2 Rage that Super introduced over 3 in both design and look.

[@manuellucena6931]

Yo

[@ppmusic1322]

But it still has the coolest design out of every form

[@EmeraldBlade98]

2:50 or maybe Goku didn’t want to completely shatter Vegeta’s pride by showing off ssj3, he did it for him.

[@dweller132]

If I recall, didn't Vegeta say sometime after that that he never uses the form because it's too draining?

[@nikelson47]

I completely agree with all your points. Personally, I feel the worst part is that there is no real narrative purpose or meaning to the form. The reason the classic super saiyan form is so loved is because it was built up hard. Vegeta constantly talking about the legendary super saiyan, Goku needing to look deep inside himself for an extremely dangerous foe that wiped out his entire race, and couple that in with the death of Goku's best friend, all these built up to the debut of an amazing form. It's not just because it looks cool or makes Goku stronger, it's about representing how far Goku has come and how he has evolved as a character. And the lack of any real story meaning or purpose is what I think becomes the biggest drawback for super saiyan 3.

[@BakaryD]

It's better than Super Saiyan Multicolors in DBS

[@Sylvergunner]

Ah yes because super saiyan 2 was definitely more original

[@chainedscythe2000]

PaPpyGunner For Gohan sure. But after that it wasn’t like the others could just skip it.

[@ssjlegit1694]

done done great viddd

[@ShuajoX]

I like the way the form looks, as well as Goku's initial transformation, but it has a lot of drawbacks in terms of ki consumption. Not only that, but the fact that narratively, it was, as you said, an afterthought. Still always love to use it in the video games though.

[@Supreme0757]

Idk how it still makes such a drain on them when going Ssj3. You would assume mastering god ki would help with that. Even Frieza's golden form had that same drawback and simple meditation was able to overcome that

[@Saint0999]

Ascension it doesn’t anymore. Well not as much.

[@lempy942]

So true I love the vids btw

[@Magenta.000]

I think Super Sayain Blue is worst tbh it kinda came out of nowhere from what I remember eh

[@MegaDark900]

Nah SSB is super useful. With this transformation, you can adjust your own ki level. And what I mean by that is that you can have the same power level as a SS, SS2, SS3, SSG or higher. SSGSS is more convienient because it helps to save more stamina. And I know SSGSS does also waste stamina. But changing transformations wastes a lot stamina. Watch AnimeLiveReactions's explanation of this awesome transformation.

[@aadenturnbull1332]

I highly disagree with you I think SSJ 3 is one of the best transformations and best transforming scene

[@jdblueee]

U said it

[@villelater2708]

I think people forgot how long he fought kid buu in ssj3 and how much damage he did to Majin Buu which couldn't be achievable otherwise another reason to why Gotenks needed ssj3 to beat Super Buu...Majin Vegeta failed to really hurt majin buu and Gohan Soo that is a big deal and makes the form good ... the stamina thing is not a big whoop considering Gotenks didn't get tired