Super Smash Bros.' Most INFURIATING Decision

Toon Link deserved better in Smash Ultimate

[@MockRockTalk]

Of all the Custom Moves that should've been in Ultimate, this has to be the most no-brainer of any of them, right?

[@chordalharmony]

It is, and it’s not even close

[@MASTERLinkYT96]

Classical Link move

[@danbom121]

Do you know what we really need? 3d smash game

[@590488]

​@danbom121 we already have a 3d smash game.

[@researchinbreeder]

He even has a "swung my sword too much" animation as a taunt. Come ON!

[@stickmix5022]

I'm mad about Young Link's final smash not being Fierce Deity, but this has NO EXCUSE TO NOT BE USED

[@lugismansion2400]

Or even any reference to any of his other Mask transformations like seriously Hyrule Warriors did Young Link better than Smash Bros did

[@brianv9242]

This is so true and not enough people talk about it. Like it would've been literally perfect to have young link's finisher move where he slashes the moon in his fierce deity form in Hyrule warriors be his final smash in ultimate. The regular triforce slash him and toon link have in ultimate is so beyond lame. It's been lame since Brawl but at least Brawl gets some leniency cuz it was the game that introduced final smashes. Can't believe they're both still stuck with it to this day.

[@Leekodot15]

Especially with how distinct each link is now, they can totally give a revamp to each link! Toon link gets some of the more classic moves like the hurricane spin, ...I'm not sure what else, maybe also Roc's Feather or the deku leaf as an Up-B or Side-B (or triple jump) though? Young link gets stuff like the masks, deku nuts, elemental arrows, maybe bomb-chus? And whatever else he gets, and modern link gets some of the zonai/shiekah related moves, like Ravioli's Gale and the paraglider for his Up-B, the remote bombs, and maybe even ultrahand? Or fuse? Would be interesting for him to be able to fuse held items to his shield or sword, and I know they're fine with a complete reprogrammation to do that since they did it with Steve!

[@michaelr20010713]

​@lugismansion2400 honestly!

[@elementalgengar2619]

Hey, if it means I can play beyblades in smash, I’m all in for it

[@vossboss220]

Bowser mains be like

[@zmogod1823]

@@vossboss220 rob mains be like

[@prestige8477]

DK mains be like

[@vossboss220]

@@prestige8477 bowser mains be like

[@cassiuspeter9673]

Look at this move Now back to me Now back to this move Now back to me

[@lugismansion2400]

Honestly WHY does both Young Link and Toon Link have the same Final Smash as Twilight Princess Link? Like you couldn’t have Young Link rampage as Fierce Diety Link or have Wind Waker Link run someone over with the King of Red Lions? Or hell USE THE PIRATE SHIP as his Final Smash I know both are technically already in the game, but so is F-zero, and it’s race cars

[@CloutmasterPhluphyy]

Tfw the only like 2 characters in smash from Zelda that have good representation in their movesets and aren't clones are still both zelda

[@castform7]

Ah yes, the Zelda characters. Link, Link Link, Zelda, Zelda and Captain Falcon with a bit of Ike sprinkled in.

[@LinktheCommunistWaifu]

For real though! We've got Link, Kid Link, Baby Link, Zelda, Ninjago Zelda, and Captain Falcon's Uncle.

[@kittyratrawr]

zelda is really the only one. sheik's moveset is almost entirely made up for smash.

[@woomyboy98]

Hey it is the legend of Zelda after all

[@SteelTiamat]

Define "good representation". All 3 Links have moves that are faithful to their home games, so their objectively well represented. Whether you like that or not is an entirely different matter.

[@mrmediocre848]

Nah, the most infuriating decision involves Ganondorf's clone moveset. They smartly use the model given by the Zelda team to quickly make a Falcon clone in Melee and then they REFUSED TO CHANGE IT EVER AGAIN! Ultimate gave him clone sword smashes, but they were pressed for development time due to the number of characters. Sm4sh simply copied Brawl, and Brawl decided we're going to change several animations while still looking pretty identical, changed one special move, and called it a day. WHY?!WHYYY-

[@oznofow]

my dream next smash game is like a soft reboot where they take these critiques into account and implement them and then some. they give everyone unique final smashes, no clones to speak of, young link is properly represented, they don’t even have to bring everyone back they could cut some. ofc i’m asking for a best case scenario but UGHHHHH😫😫😫

[@Brandonrios365]

Sakurai just can’t let go of Falcondorf.

[@illford]

@@oznofow tbh i would just get rid of Young Link he's too much effort to declone since people want him to transform and i think it'd be a very poorly designed character fighting wise

[@pokefanalex9504]

​@@illfordI actually had thought that maybe do it like Ike having a young and older design maybe merge young link and link then just make young link a bit taller to be a little closer and then he stays in game and a slot gets opened

[@helmenhjelmen1955]

Because people love this iteration of ganondorf and people would complain just as much if they changed it. I think the best decision would be to change it anyway. Then proceed by adding black shadow by giving him the old moveset for ganondorf. Ganondorf is like my third main i want a character with his moves and feeling of menace for my character.

[@SeddyAm]

The fact that this isn't in ultimate made me disappointing because toon link was my favorite link of all time

[@HH-sn5qp]

They made him the least fun link. Bad forward tilt, no bouncing on dair, and no hurricane

[@zeen9505]

I really wanted his lil deku leaf glider to be a recovery, and maybe add the skull hammer as a side special or down special.

[@Garomasta]

Apparently Sliding Spin Attack had some momentum issues when used out of knockback in the air, as did some other custom specials. As I see it the decision was between "Fix some broken code and possibly deal with additional bugs and balance issues down the line" or "Stay with the tried and true". Would I have liked to see it? Yes, but I'm not gonna question how the Smash team uses their time and resources.

[@snuffysam]

I agree, but Toon Link also did get a new move. Decloning him from Young Link was something they wanted to do, but they chose a full new animation & hitboxes for forward smash over a move that already had an animation & physics programmed (that needed fixes, sure). I guess it’s just an issue of physics moves being harder to program & fix than regular attacks?

[@Garomasta]

@@snuffysam That sounds reasonable. I always took it as them leaning more towards TL focusing on singular slashes where the other Links use slash combos (up smash, forward air) but who's to say what the real reason is. Ultimate in general had quite a few new moves/animations where on the surface it looks like "change for the sake of change".

[@Iamverykarpy]

it is very reasonable to question where the smash team spends their time and resources, just look at dark samus

[@Garomasta]

​@@IamverykarpyI get wanting Dark Samus to have more differences gameplay-wise, but prioritizing animations was definitely the right call with her. Every other echo is fine moving like their base fighter, but with DS it's out of the question.

[@orizin8102]

​@@Iamverykarpyi feel like we should be looking at ganondorf instead

[@Jeffrey_LOL-vi9wy]

Man the background music really makin me want to get on my ketch and sail to the reveana realm to kill the king

[@TheSlimistjimmy]

Because he doesn’t need it

[@pricehart]

They probably nerfed it

[@Swift640]

That move would be pure cancer to fight against

[@thejester4130]

I mean dk has a very similar move and it's fine, this one would probably not have Armour either so you could argue it would be less annoying.

[@blu-birb]

Fun fact. Toon link is also notoriously the only version of link who can use a camera.

[@DewMan31]

I miss the down air he had in brawl. Not even the mods give me the salvation I'm searching for.

[@Luigiluigiluigiluigiluigiluig]

He just hasnt unlocked magic power yet

[@ziggyfrancisco]

I wish that all the links had real multi hit on their spin attack.

[@fossilgaming65]

Theres no way they had put that in like that

[@quz4r]

Choppa you is tweaking in the thumbnail

[@pjthemaster1]

Zelda has 6 characters in smash: 😊 Half of them are link: 😡

[@pixlyJolt]

It at the least could have been a variant if they brought back customs

[@Dara-wk5ty]

Character moves change per game and this happens very slow When a character gets rushed out in a Smash game or gets released as a clone this won't or barely change over time

[@EugeneJOooOo]

Gotta love PM lmfao

[@BubbaBrons]

I get it, but there’s no denying that this move would be obnoxious and good as hell. I think you’d have to change a good chunk of Tink’s moveset so that move can fit in. Making a faster and generally better Climhazzard and then sticking it on an annoying and fast zoner is not a recipe that should be brought to life.

[@jostock_7nice9]

Imagen toonlink also using fire and ice arrows but nah thats to fancy

[@skasgaming77]

Because all the links are already infuriating enough to fight against let alone giving toon link a move that travels the entire stage and is safe if spaced correctly

[@lugismansion2400]

But DK has the exact same move? Just with fists? Young Link was already a clone of Adult Link and Toon Link was a clone of Twilight Princess Link(talking about their debut Smash Bros games) and even STILL Young Link and Toon Link are literally ECHO FIGHTERS with a few SLIGHT variations much like how Dr Mario is just a heavier Mario with a few different move set changes and Pichu being a lighter but more heavier hitter than Pikachu they could have given something that would have made both characters more unique but they chose NOT to

[@SuperCrazyfin]

Toon Link should be reworked to be more like his 2D games.

[@ethantang5943]

toon link is fast as fuck

[@thedude4063]

They should also give Toon Link Toon Shading, or at least have his eyes render over his hair

[@beegbeeg507]

scary thumbnail🥺

[@canbe1945]

I’ve been vouching for this since brawl! It could remain the same if uncharged and move if charged! It’s perfect. Smash has this group of characters that are here because everyone is here and they couldn’t care about less. Unfortunately Toon link is one of them. They gave him a new alt, instead of his iconic pajamas, he got one of thee ugliest gray alts ever to exist. :/

[@vlooranthewise7526]

Ive been saying since smash ultimate came out that THE ONLY THING I would change is to bring back custom moves from 4. Come ON, Nintendo! Give the people what they want!

[@AdrianGonzalez-sh7qm]

Bruh wrong company

[@vlooranthewise7526]

@@AdrianGonzalez-sh7qm oh right lol. I'm so used to being mad at game freak 😅

[@Radical_Dreamer]

Always thought the same

[@sonicbionic]

i personally think it would be cool to spin attack the new down smash, allowing ALL 3 LINKS to have new up specials

[@danbom121]

Do you know what we really need? 3d smash game

[@slenderslayer8203]

Honestly. Change his side smash to this and make his up special the hook shot like Joker and Bylthe's up special.

[@toastNeko]

👾

[@logandulken163]

This and the link final smashes are literally the only thing that they need to do with the links. Everything else is fine enough but these, cmon

[@dnd1016]

Sonic should’ve been overhauled in Smash 4 or ultimate. there are entire videos around sonic’s moveset in smash

[@GetGotSans]

Funnily enough, I actually main toon link and constantly utilize his forward smash, I think he plays much better than link and young link

[@brianv9242]

That awkward new forward smash is supposed to reference his finishing move from a combo in Wind Waker where you attack without targeting. It's still terrible but there's technically a reason. What I don't get is why both him and Young Link still have the lame final smash Link has had since Brawl. Such a missed opportunity for Young Link to transform into Fierce Deity and do a Cloud-like final smash (or more preferably use his strong attacks/finishers from Hyrule Warriors). Toon Link could've easily had another final smash relating to the King of Red Lions also, all around I think Sakurai just doesn't care about the non-main Links. On a side note Toon Link's attack sound effects got a major downgrade in Ultimate. The attacks sound squishy and gross, not at all like sword attacks. Link and Young Link's sound very good in comparison, I will never understand why they went with that change.

[@gamainiax]

Up + Special (don't jump) ((this is already in the game, fool))

[@teabown02]

Theu changed toon link badly. The double slash was better, and forward and Back air actually were good kill moves

[@aelspecto]

Echo characters in smash are always such a dissapointment, there's even characters that shouldnt be an echo like ganondorf

[@Makithe2nd]

Make it a special move Step 1 Get smash ball? Step 2 Press B Step 3 Enjoy!

[@Kit-jg5zi]

I love the dark pit main calling any other character a bland clone. Like, you're not wrong, but toon link is more different from either link than the pits are from each other.

[@SteelTiamat]

All 3 Links provide their own unique playstyle, but you can tell that the guy in the video is too hung up on the superficial similarities to understand that.

[@shyguyissoawesomeguys]

​@@SteelTiamatplaystyle-wise, they do have their distinctions. toon link and regular link especially feel different to play, but ultimately that doesn't change the fact that toon link is still kinda semi-clone territory and young link is like...echo fighter territory. i think tink is decent as is, but it's undeniable that pulling more stuff from wind waker that would actually separate him from the two links from *separate* games would be a good decision

[@shyguyissoawesomeguys]

also, just as a small additional note, i don't know if he's a FAN of dark pit being not too different from regular pit...i VERY well may be wrong but i *think* he's even said dark pit could use more unique stuff separating him from pit before

[@SteelTiamat]

@@shyguyissoawesomeguys I don't think that being a semi clone is inherently bad. You can still bring a different playstyle to the table in spite of it. See Ken and Akuma in earlier iterations. Ying also plays very differently from his brothers.

[@shyguyissoawesomeguys]

@@SteelTiamat no i completely agree, i mean i'm a fuckin dr. mario player so i can't complain at all about semi-clones or straight up clones lmao. i guess my main thoughts are; if you're gonna have three links to represent different points of the zelda timeline (which i think is a fair enough decision), shouldn't they at least do a better job representing *their* specific source material? mainly for the special attacks. the basic attacks i think are mostly fine, representing how they each fight, and even having some differences thrown in like how tink's is a stall-n-fall while the other two are pogos. it's mainly for the specials i feel a bit iffy, since all of them have the same set of - bow and arrow - boomerang - spin attack - bombs i'm glad link gets his remote bombs and yink gets fire arrows at least, and i know those tools are very important across the zelda series, but i feel you could give them a little spice of their own game, even if it's just a single special. hell, i think moving spin attack to down smash and giving them all a different up special would immediately solve my issue with them, letting them all get a recovery based off BotW, OoT, and WW. or just other things like letting tink use the skull hammer or yink use...any mask powers, lmao i wouldn't call most of those propositions *necessary* by any means. from a mechanical standpoint i think they do a solid job for all being the same guy, but i think there is a bit more potential to allow them to carve just a *bit* more of their own identity (and hey maybe it'll get the smash fans who don't like having 3 links to quiet down a bit lol)

[@frost3533]

There's no custom moves in ultimate though??

[@Skumppa]

Yeah, that's why they should have replaced his up b with this entirely. Or just brought custom moves back, but make them easier to unlock, that would have been fine too.

[@Somni-Majen]

Everything about the Zelda characters are extremely underutilized. I think having multiple Links is an amazing way to represent the franchise... But all the links are clones and do not represent their individual games at all

[@SteelTiamat]

All 3 Links play uniquely enough and utilize tools from their home games. Li k even uses the Remote Bombs from the Sheikah Slate. There is no need to force a reference into every single move to represent a certain game.

[@izalith_]

All the links are already annoying af...they don't need this

[@Pyronic_]

I hate that 1. All of the links play basically the same and aren’t unique other than slight differences and 2. BOTW Link and Toon Link aren’t cell shaded.

[@SteelTiamat]

I can tell you don't play any of the 3 Links because you think that they all play the same.

[@Pyronic_]

@@SteelTiamat I worded my comment wrong. They don’t play the same. Yink is more rushdown, Tink is more zoner, and Link is a weird amalgamation of the 2. All of their moves for the most part work the same. As someone who has play their respective games, they shouldn’t all be so similar.

[@Djindas]

This

[@DeamonChocobo]

As someone who loved Young Link in Melee, why didn't they change his move set to include the Majora transformations? Up+B Deku Link Recovery similar to Snakes, Down+B either a Goron Slam like Dedede or Bowser or a Goron Spin like Sonic's Spin Dash, Side+B Zora Fin Boomerangs, keep Neutral B the Fire Arrow, and hell keep the Final Smash but change it to the Fierce Diety.

[@thewindwakinghero7423]

Neutral B - should be skull hammar Up B - should be deku leaf Side B - hurricane spin Down B - stay as bomb Like, brother, its all right there.

[@aggressivefox454]

I don’t like ultimates design philosophy. It’s all about making characters more bland and similar to other characters rather than going all out with that characters style and toolset. Dedede used to have waddledees in brawl but that was too cool and unique so now he has gordo. The links and samuses could have been unique from each other but no.

[@SteelTiamat]

Dedede's Side B comes from Smash 4. I know some people prefer his old one, but the current Side B is unique and aids in his edgeguarding, so I don't see how it's bland. All 3 Links play different enough from each other; but you're too hung on the superficial similarities to notice. Dark Samus was made with the intention of being a clone of Samus, as an easy way to pad the roster with a character that wouldn't take that much time and resources. Other than, which other characters did they made similar to one another.

[@aggressivefox454]

@@SteelTiamat I think the waddledees are more unique and adding gordo just to aid in his edge guarding is part of the problem imo. It’s not dedede anymore. Now he’s just like everyone else with a projectile, just slow and big. And the links are all identical too imo. All of their specials are the same, but why? Doesn’t the legend of zelda have a wiiiide variation of weapons and attacks to use? Why are they insistent upon using a bow and arrow as neutral b, a tornado sword move as up b, a boomerang as side b, and a bomb as down b? They all swing a sword and have projectiles and have a tether grab and wear green, etc. sure their frame data is different with minor differences in their moves mechanically, but who cares? They are identical flavor wise. Same with the fire emblem characters. I’m sure that game has far more interesting mechanics than a counter, a neutral special charge attack, and just general sword swinging. I mean it’s fine if you have some general sword fighters but there are so many. I just miss in brawl when characters truly felt different from each other

[@SteelTiamat]

@@aggressivefox454 So Dedede is not Dedede anymore because he has Gordos instead of Waddle Dees. That's a load of bullshit. And how does that even work? In what way does that make less like him? Literally no other move in the roster works like that so he's not like "everyone else" now. Have you ever played a Zelda game before? Link's iconic move is his Spin Attack and he tends to use bows and bombs so I don't understand why you're having trouble picturing that. And despite having similar movesets, all 3 Links have substantial differences that vastly differs their playstyles. You obviously don't know this because you are just looking that their surface level similarities.

[@aggressivefox454]

@@SteelTiamat gordo functions like all the other slow moving projectiles that characters can combo with. The pacman fruit, sephiroth gigaflare, ryu shakunetsu, mario and luigi fireball, samus uncharged charge shot, etc. waddledees were way more unique than gordo (not to mention brawl dedede still had gordo ontop of other items). The dudes would literally walk around the stage and if you got the beam waddledee they would literally attack the enemy! It was awesome and fit his character from kirby super star ultra who would throw waddledees and other junk at kirby. And the links are not unique from each other flavor wise. They all have identical specials, a tether grab, and swing their sword. Even if you look from it at a mechanical standpoint they aren’t really that different from each other. They all zone you until they can land a projectile that links into a kill move with a sword. They could have worked to add a character that was crazy different from the rest of the cast instead of “this zone sword character will have two hits in his back air so that warrants having a new character 🤓 “. Like look at krool. Dudes move set looks and feels like no one else in the cast. Same with incineroar, ridley, ice climbers, etc. in brawl, EVERY character felt so insanely unique from each other and it was cool. In ultimate a lot of them blend together

[@SteelTiamat]

@@aggressivefox454 Those mental gymnastics you are coming up with are worthy of a gold medal. In what universe is Sephiroth's Flare == Ryu's Hadouken == Mario/Luigi's Fireball == Pacman's Fruit == Samus's Charge Shot == Dedede's Side B? Their functions and applications are not even the same, other than the fact that they are all considered projectiles and that they have uses for zoning. Ryu's Hadouken flies in a straight line at varying speeds which can be used to keep away and as a combo finisher, while Samus's Charge Shot is faster and more powerful that functions as a kill move, a movement option and tool to set up combos. You don't know what you're talking about if you think those examples I brought up are the same. Dedede's Gordo Toss doesn't work like any of the moves you mentioned in any shape or form; his Side B is quite unique because it allows him to trap and set up his opponents. And Waddle Dee Toss wasn't even a thing until Smash so its not something that he did in his games. Gordo Toss at least, while also a Smash invention, has been used by him in Kirby Star Allies. I understand if you prefer one over the other, but don't pretend that his current Side B makes him "less like Dedede". Your argument was lacking and instead you chose to make surface level comparisons. Regarding the Links, you are not even looking at them from a mechanical standpoint because you still believe they play the exact same. Link for example has a strong zoning game with his Remote Bomb that allows to edgeguard or set up for a kill, while Young Link is a combo fiend with a rushdown playstyle. Understanding this would require you to do your homework, but since you fooled yourself into believing that Dedede's Side B is the same as every other projectile I don't have high hopes for you. "They could have worked to add a character that was crazy different from the rest of the cast instead" So I guess you forgot that they added a lot of unique fighters in Ultimate with their own mechanics. It's funny how you scapegoat the Links as if they are reason we don't have new characters when we have a lot to show for. You're also contradicting yourself on the last part; you claim that Brawl felt more unique but the examples you mentioned (K. Rool, Incineroar, Ridley) debuted in Ultimate. Ultimate ended up introducing more characters than Brawl at its time so it contains a diverse roster of unique playstyles. It also improved several characters that were introduced in Brawl like Pokemon Trainer and Wolf. So again, this just makes me think that you simply don't have much experience with any of the Ultimate newcomers.

[@gabrielturman7830]

It would have probably been too commital and too much end lag to be viable in matches. And it would make people not play the character as much if you just get punished every time you used the move. Then you would have people making shorts on why it should not have been put in. Nobody is ever happy.

[@thejester4130]

You could just adjust it to be not as committal, you made an argument for a hypothetical problem you made up.

[@gabrielturman7830]

@@thejester4130 literally everything everyone is talking about is hypothetical. What's the point of your comment?

[@thejester4130]

@gabrielturman7830 the fact that since it's a hypothetical it can be discussed how it could work and how you could make it work, not just assuming it would be bad and everyone would hate it.

[@gabrielturman7830]

@@thejester4130 if you can't assume it's going to be bad then you can't assume it's going to be good either. You hypothetically assumed people would adjust it to not be as laggy. You have cornered yourself by your own point.

[@thejester4130]

@@gabrielturman7830 I'm more saying that it's a big what if, so assuming the worst is just a bit pessimistic, especially when there is no reason to initially believe it would be awful given there are similar moves in ultimate like dk's spin move which is at the very least okay

[@PalPlays]

Sakurai is bad at respecting the source material.

[@SteelTiamat]

There are actually several examples to the contrary. But let's hear a few from you first.

[@PalPlays]

@@SteelTiamat Mario *still* uses his cape from Super Mario World. There is no reference to Mario Galaxy in his kit and the ONLY thing from Odyssey is a visual easter egg. His down air or down-b should reference the ground pound. It's one of his most ubiquitous moves. BotW Link has two things from the game he is supposed to be from. Brawl/4/Ult Link has nothing from Skyward Sword or Twilight Princess. It took them 20 years to add any reference to LUIGI'S MANSION TO LUIGI! Ness yells PK instead of PSI. Samus could have her different beams as different attacks, and yet all she has is charge shot, Screw Attack, and wack fire effects. Where is Ganondorf's float and energy attacks from OoT? His sword from Twilight Princess? Ganondorf has a single move from his canon appearances and it's forward tilt (Twilight Princess).

[@SteelTiamat]

@@PalPlays Heh, I like how you claimed that Sakurai is bad at respecting the source material, then you inmediately suggest that they get rid of Cape and Fludd completely disregarding Super Mario World and Super Mario Sunshine. People like you forget that a moveset also needs to be cohesive and practical rather than a hodgepodge of references. There are ways to acknowledge different source materials without shoehorning them as moves. The Mario Galaxy references are already present in Rosalina's moveset. Other than that, Mario already has a good mix of references from across his career. His normals come from Super Mario 64, while his Specials are from Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World and Super Mario Sunshine. It would be dumb to argue against that his current moveset doesn't take from his source material. Link's moveset is also consistent with how he fights across his games. You complain about Brawl and Smash 4 Link having nothing from TP, when the incarnation from Link that they used was from that game. It's funny to me that you forgot that he also had Gale Boomerang and Clawshot. You also forgot that Luigi FS in Smash 4 had him use the Poltergust already. Ness is meant to represent his party, and Samus already uses weaponry from her home games. She doesn't need the beam switching because Charge Shot is a multi functional projectile. The only one I can agree is Ganondorf who needs a rework. Other than that, most of your arguments did a shitty job elaborating on your initial claim. Your examples focused on nitpicking trivial things (like wtf is this fixation with Ness saying PK?) while ignoring the strenghts of the movesets of the characters you mentioned. On the opposite side, there are plenty of examples that show he respects the source material. This includes Mario, Kirby, Link, Bowser, Pikachu, Peach, Zelda, Mewtwo, Meta Knight, Dedede, ROB, G&W, Snake, Diddy, Megaman, Little Mac, Pacman, Ryu, Cloud, Terry, Bayonetta, Robin, Shulk, etc. There's plenty to argue about those characters properly drawing from their source.

[@MikiCaughtFire]

I don't think Sakurai played enough of Nintendo's games. Bro just leaves good ideas on the table. And shouting at him in English probably won't get through to him, because I doubt he speaks the language.

[@14possumsinatrenchcoat]

God if I wanted to hear a grown ass man nitpick over a dumb videogame id live with my uncle

[@FlareFluff]

😐 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫 😵‍💫

[@zombieguy4444]

The more you look at Smash movsets, the more you realize that a lot of them are garbage representations

[@SteelTiamat]

Examples?

[@anthonyredding8145]

Womp womp

[@okayokay6177]

I mean dude, it’s a fairly competitive fighting game they have to balance things.